Diletta Bello Review - Appartamento Killer?
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The second machine from Seattle Coffee Gear's new in house brand Diletta is this, the Bello. An E61 heat exchanger espresso machine, that appears to be taking dead aim at the ever-popular Rocket Appartamento. Can the Diletta Bello beat the Rocket at its own game, or will the Bello fall short? In this review, we try to answer exactly that!
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0:00 - Intro
0:49 - Design
1:42 - Build Quality
2:38 - Features
3:20 - User Experience
4:50 - Espresso Quality
5:48 - Steaming Performance
6:36 - Conclusion
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I'd love to see a review on the updated Bello+ model with PID control. Maybe even a comparison against the Apartamento TCA.
Nice review, lots of detail on the look and feel of the machine!
I do like the aesthetic for this machine, but let’s call it for what it is: a slightly reworked quickmill rubino. That’s not necessarily a bad thing wll kinda did the same thing with the pathfinder; that is - taking a solid machine and improving on it. Good video
What a beautiful machine.... I really want to give these guys a try w/ my new machine. Keep up the good work man, your reviews are so well put together and very much appreciated.
It really is a looker... Thanks for watching!
Great review! ^^
This machine looks fantastic and would have loved one, but they don't seem to be available outside of the US (that I can see)
It's interesting to see the E61 market open up at the same time as 64mm flat burr grinders.
Looks nice, but I can't really fathom the point of any HX other than a MaraX at this point. If Lelit put that in a bigger nicer chassis there would be no reason to buy anything else.
The black would look really good with wood grain handle and knobs.
fantastic video as always!
Thanks for watching!
Great review! What shot glass is that? I've been eyeing a good double wall but most of them look so thin and fragile, but the one you have looks thiccc.
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I really suggest you have a video talk about the collaborated brands. SCG + quick mill = Diletta, Clive Coffee + quick mill / La Spaziale = Lucca. What happened behind?
Most vibratory pumps are mounted on rubber mounts. The portafilters are almost exactly the same as the Rocket ones (pretty generic). Steam knobs look like good old Giotto knobs, etc.
I'm an espresso machine technician, I open these machines on a daily and I feel like machine makers (not always but often) just use generic parts, put on a different styling and after that it all depends on the marketing. I'm not saying this one dosen't seem like a good product, it just look very generic. Just like the Mio who looks pretty much like a old Silvano from Quick Mill.
Anyways, thank you for a good review as always 🤙🏽
These are both Quickmill machines, but redesigned quite heavily by Seattle Coffee Gear, actually largely with technicians in mind (because they service in house).
I think you’d appreciate the way they’ve rearranged the components and access on these machines! It’s impressive if you chat with the designer :)
@@LifestyleLab_ oh that's good to know! Can't wait to have one at my shop then and see the inside. Thanks for the info!
@@davidvaillancourt727. With your expertise, what brand do you find to be built well and very reliable??
What I don’t like about this class (including the Lelit) it takes a long time to build up pressure.
Maybe I'm biased because I had a MaraX before moving to my Decent, however I would find it hard to justify this over the MaraX when there is basically no temp control etc . Looks like they're basically the same price in the states.
Yeah, why would I even choose this, when I could get myself a MaraX which is produced by a trusted company and has more/better features? and as far as I can make out, the MaraX is around 300 bucks cheaper too
The Mara X is definitely tough value to beat! Most of Lelit’s lineup is very competitive actually :)
Hoping to get some of their machines in for videos soon
No PID on a new model in this price range? Seriously? They really were targeting the Apartmento weren't they.
seems u cant buy these in europe though, havent found an outlet in the netherlands either. Also with a quooker in the kitchen, dont need a water tap on a koffee machine,
Greate review btw
Thanks for watching Xavier!
its a pleasure see your videos
Somewhat off topic but nevertheless along the lines of companies producing similar rival products. I’ve been looking for a new espresso scale that isn’t the crazy cost of the lunar. The felicita arc looks quite comparable but I’m struggling to find any reviews from trusted sources. I’m hoping you might have some insight? I currently use the brewista smart scale, which is pretty good just not quite as slick!
Many thanks for your great content.
I would love to try the Felicita, but it is still quite pricey… I’ll try to reach out to them
@@LifestyleLab_ just bought the felicita, very happy with it so far. I got it for £138 with a “free” fellow atmos container. The lunar on its own is £240 in the U.K.
Nice!!
Wow! This guy comes with an E61 compared to the Mio. But the Mio has OPV adjustment and PID. Espresso life dilemmas!
Right! Why couldn’t they just have put all the Mio features into the Bello! Oh yeah, cost…. Haha
No competition is you get opv on the imo.
All machines have an OPV, the Mio’s is just easily accessible
It’s a shame it’s not PID. I would find it non-competitive to, say, the Mara X simply because of that. If I’m spending this amount of money I’m not gonna be real happy having to temp surf.
Aesthetics aside, which do not really matter to me, I would go with the Diletta...simply because of the dual gauge and the hinged lid
yeah those are 2 huge quality of life improvements. idk why the rocket gauge only shows steam pressure thats utterly useless
That drip tray is nice, does it fit on the appartamento?
No, it does not
For a second I thought you’d say you’d be giving this one away to supporters 😅 #legendofjames
Looks nice but with a Bambino having PID I just can’t see buying any nicer machine without one.
Will two of these be ok for a pop up coffee bar ? They look nice
Capacity-wise yes, but just be aware that they’re technically not intended for commercial use. Check your local food equivalent certification requirements
love black ❤
As some others have mentioned, the only heat exchanger I would even consider is the MaraX at that price point.
I just purchased the Bella plus for the same price of the rocket. And the Bella plus have a PID.❤️😩🙂
I’m planning on switching my Mara X to the Bello plus. How do you like yours?
@@hyperizI’m trying to choose between Mara x and bello + … you may be the first looking to switch FROM Mara x… may I ask why?
I'd say the MaraX is the only HX worth considering in 2022
Interesting! Why’s that?
@@LifestyleLab_ It has a second temperature sensor in the thermosiphon and thus is able to effectively measure the group temperature. The control system then compensates for the group being colder by heating up the boiler more, or being hotter by reducing boiler temp.
This means it's the only HX on the market where you don't have to think about temperature management at all.
i'm new to espresso machines but, does the 15 minute warmup mean you can't make an espresso til that time has passed? Also, is there an auto start for the machine to be ready for me in the morning? Any machine you'd recommend that has those features.
Yes, you must wait for the machine to get up to temperature before brewing for consistency.
You can autostart this machine with a smart plug because it has a hard power switch, but no the feature is not built into the machine. Not many espresso machines apart from Breville have that kind of programming
I dont think its on the same league. The issue is the dont use a cooper boiler and better looking. The prices is to high if its was cheaper maybe
Some people argue insulated stainless is better, some argue for copper, some want neither, manufactures can't please everyone
I know but the issue is if its a good quality steinle steal. If its no good corrosion and scale it will be bad on ghe future. I have see it the diferences on matirial.
If it was me 3 year ago a will go over budget and buyba dual boiler. a bezerra or a emc
Got an Appartamento. It‘a in its sixth year and still performs well. There are only two things I would criticise about it:
1. the cup railing: It broke within short time and I refused to buy the overpriced metal one for a long time. I ended up buying it though, but it really should have been included right from the start, because it really made the machine feel cheap.
2. I wish it had a pump pressure gauge. I‘ve got a E61 thermometer mounted and it’s taken the guess work out of the temperature for me. Also I know how to influence the heating cycles. So pressure is the only variable that I am missing and would really like to see to help decide the cut off point for my manual pre-infusions with lighter roasts.
Other than that I love the machine! It’s served us very well and produces really great coffee!
I assume if you mod to change to 9bar you won’t need the pressure gauge?
So this does not have a Dual Boiler??? so far these are my choices 1.) Rancilio Silvia Pro x Dual Boiler Espresso Machine
2.) Profitec Pro 300 Dual boiler Espresso
3.) Ascaso Steel Duo Espresso
Which one is the best Lifestyle??? you are the expert!!!
Those are all very similar.
The Rancilio and Profitec will be the faster steaming machines, while the Ascaso is more programmable. Depends what you’re looking for!
So the Bello is a Rubino and costs about 600€ more and the Mio is a Cassiopea for twice the price and even more expensive than a Mara or an Appartamento?
I think you’re pricing is a little off… the Bello isn’t even close to 600€ more expensive than the Rubino, and the Mio isn’t more than a Mara or Appartamento. Prices in USD…
Ok my bad I didn’t know that prices in the US are that much higher.
Bello would be 1600€ and a Rubino costs about 1050-1150€. So does the Rocket.
A Mara costs about 1000€.
So that’s where my confusion came from
What are your thoughts on the
Lelit Bianca ?
Great machine, great bang for buck
I'm a pragmatic guy. For me the Breville Barista Pro is my de facto benchmark.
This machine is twice the price.
I have nothing against paying more for status symbols, conversation pieces and what not. I fully understand why someone would buy a Ferrari instead of a Toyota.
But I have to ask... is this machine capable of making appreciably better coffee?
How about a double-blind taste test?
That would depend more on the grinder used. But yes, with the same grinder, this machine will make noticeably better coffee than the Barista Pro. Better thermal stability, and a 58mm portafilter
@@Adamsavage793 facts
No PID for the $$$ is a deal killer.
I was disappointed with that, had they included one it would have been a TRUE Appartamento killer
Hello me and my family can’t afford any type of espresso machine or anything of the sort so I would appreciate if you could send me one.
Is it manufactured in Europe or China?
Italy
The text on the knobs is....
Just in case you forget which is which 😉
Have any of you ever been burnt by a steam wand? I've never burnt myself on an espresso machine. I hate the thought of steaming plastic chemicals into the milk.
I have definitely burnt myself on a steam arm, yes
People need to realize that not all plastics are the same. High temp plastics are completely safe….
@@LifestyleLab_ you don't know that. we just don't know that they're not unsafe. 10 years from now we can find out that they were not safe after all.
You could say that about anything… even the coffee itself. How many articles do you see every year > coffee is great! > coffee is bad > caffeine is terrible > drink green tea!
@@LifestyleLab_ oh please don't compare coffee to plastic. plastic has a much worse record than coffee.
You don’t know that 😏
Mio - im better than gaggia pro
Bello - im cheaper than apartmento
Laughed when you said they did it right by sending the machine set at 9 bars. I don't know any espresso machine of quality that is not already set correctly.
One criticism about the build quality. We do not know the build quality because you did not unscrew the top and sides. Most reviews show the inside. It might be mostly plastic inside. Until you check the general parts inside and how organized it is under the hood, location of heat sensor, how the pressure is handled. You really do not know the build quality.
The amount of machines that come set “correctly” isn’t that high in the ~$1000 price range.
Also 9 bars is almost never something you should want anyway.
Agree on the build quality critique - would have been interesting.
@@RegrinderAlert I understand people may want to experiment with different pressures. I have never heard anyone say, should not want 9 bars. I have a synchronika at the expected 9 bars. Great shots all the time. 9 bars is the standard.
@Penultimate Name Rocket, Gaggia, ECM, Rancilio, all brands I've gotten machines from set to 11-12 bars...
My roket i ask the dealer to test and set at 9bar. By defalt they are set for over 9bar and you need to set it
@@penultimatename6677 The standard perhaps but without good reason. Might work out okay if you don’t drink light roasts but even with dark roasts you can see a lot of benefits when lowering the max. pressure.
Can you hook a water line up to this machine to avoid refilling?
No, not many (any?) machines in this price range will be plumbable