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Barista Pro is there most compelling option right now, in my opinion. Or the Dual Boiler if you REALLY like to experiment and have budget for a good grinder
I actually disagree. It’s more like a Nissan GT-R vs a Porsche. The BDB may be lower build quality and less manual than the Rocket, but it actually out performs the Rocket (this is where the model 3 vs a Porsche analogy doesn’t work). It’d perhaps be more correct to compare a Tesla model S plaid and the Porsche.
I had a Breville infuser for about 6 years are a few minor issues and then a water leak I decided to upgrade to the Rocket . I’m glad I bought the rocket is been 2 years of real enjoyment. Glad I spent the money, it’s well put together and can highly recommend this machine . I can see everyone wants to boo hoo peoples likes and dislikes or mentioning machines that are not a direct competitor to the machines in question. I like the machine and it does everything I need it too.
I've had the Breville Express for 3+ years now running daily and it's still going strong. While the Apartmento uses higher quality materials on the outside, I don't think it's fair to completely judge the build quality just on that. What ultimately matters is the quality of the shot, and how reliable it is over the long run, and you'd only be able to do that if you tore it down and compared their performance over time IMO.
I have an Express that is over 10 years old. Makes 1-2 cups per day. It is starting to leak some water onto the counter and I’m looking to replace it soon. I’m definitely buying another Breville. Can’t complain about 10 years of solid service!
I got my breville for 220€ used and it seems to be roughly 9-10 years old and not having seen much or any service from the previous owner. But it still works perfectly. I think you can adjust the steam boiler temperature so it steams faster. I absolutely love it, and the comparable E61 style ones start at at least 4 times the price used
My Pavoni Europiccola is more than 40 years old.I did a gasket change and a good descaler twice since,best part I have a mechanical background,I did it myself.Use it almost every day and has become like an old friend
I got a Sage DB earlier this year and have no regrets. It’s a great machine that makes outstanding (to my palate) espresso. Sage were offering a discount at the time so it worked out at £900 - great price.
I loved my sage DB till it died. The warranty had expired. The gave me a free repair visit. Otherwise i could not even get the parts in the uk anymore..... I sold it and downgraded to a Bambino plus temporarily. Need to buy a new machine. I like the newer Rancillio...easy repairs! No pid kit necessary!
I had a Rocket Mozzafiato R for 15 days and returned it. Purchased a Breville Dual Boiler and I couldn’t be happier. The Rocket is built for looks and it sure was pretty but once you start digging into it you’ll find cost cutting all over the place. The last straw for me finding a rusted frame when I looked underneath. A Breville with the slayer mode beats any heat exchanger machine. You’d have to spend 3k to match it.
I don't think you should ignore the reliability or servicing aspect of these machines. The Rocket uses industry standard parts and although many Breville users may have had them for a long time with no issue, there are plenty of users of both of these machines that found the need to repair them. If you are a novice and just want to step up and pull a shot, the Breville is probably easier and more repeatable. I chose the Appartamento because I wanted a machine that I could easily have serviced. Mine actually did have the pressure stat fail, and my local espresso service shop could easily fix it. They also confirmed that they would not touch a Breville. Spending over $1,500 on a machine that is basically disposable made no sense to me. It is probably impossible to know how long either machine will last before they need service, that data is not easily found. But I took that approach that both machines will eventually fail. Just depends how lucky you feel.
To be honest I think the unrepairability of the bevilles is overstated. I just brought a second hand dual boiler and replaced the bre pump and solenoid myself. The pump was a ulka pump that as far as I know is used in a lot of machines, and the solenoid was easy to swap out and cheap to buy on ebay. From pulling it apart and looking into the parts myself they're almost all either standard or at least readily available.
Excellent comparison video! Also, very fair comments to each machine :) I'm a first time owner of a home espresso machine, and after (rather) extensive research, I went with the Breville DB for a few reasons: (1) Price - for the features it offer as well as the overall build quality, the price point is undeniably worth it; (2) Scalability - it further allows amateurs (like myself) to experiment in a safe environment, while being able to pull decent shots one after another; (3) Looks - as mentioned in the video, Breville adopts a more "modern" approach to the design, and the DB no doubt will fit many other kitchen appliances at home (think for e.g., the kitchen aid mixers). Last but not least, it is exactly because the DB is relatively cheaper as compared to, say, the Rockets or LeLits, it makes future upgrades easier on the pocket. Thanks again for this wonderful video @Lifestyle Lab
I’ve been using the Breville for 5 years in my small Café : build quality has never been an issue and coffee quality is second to none (once you learn the machine). Also, hasn’t it been established that Teslas are faster than Porsches?
Hey Hazzar! I'm looking for a budget friendly little espresso machine to put on my coffee cart for a local farmers market. We're looking at no more than 50 cups per day (and likely less). Do you think this Breville machine would hold up for a few years if properly secured and maintained? Would love insight from a professional rather than home use point of view and I'm having a hard time getting info. TIA!
Thanks for this review, I think you nailed it pretty well. I have a Brevelle and a ECM semi automatic. They are very different experiences. I find the Brevelle is easier to use for the less experienced with its push button simplicity. So when guests come to visit I steer them to the Brevelle. I do believe I enjoy the engagement of the old school ECM Synchronika dual boiler. The Synchronika is plumed I and has a direct drain which is important to me. I’ve opened both machines up and yes the Brevelle is mostly plastic fittings and silicone tubes on the inside, that said, I’ve not have any issues after two years of service.
In Australia the rocket is twice the price of the breville - and the breville includes a very good grinder in that price. It’s a no-contest. While I’ve never owned a rocket, I’ve owned my current breville espresso machine for 10 years and it hasn’t skipped a beat.
Build quality seems to be a big reason to go for the rocket. The thing is my barista express has been super reliable for over 4 years. If one is simply better but the other is still good enough I would not put too much thought on build quality. Maybe if you plan to keep for 10+ years and we all know apartomanto is not end game machine.
I think you should mention also that the appartamento takes significantly longer to heat up than the BDB. I've heard 20-30mins and that's just way too long for me. Also if the BDB gives me 5 years, I'm happy. Not looking for a decade machine.
Bought a refurbished Oracle Touch in 2019 for less than 1000$ with 1 year warranty. Run ever since without issues. I think the PID dual boiler in oracle touch and heated group head produces superior results to the Rocket. IF i use my separate grinder (Fiorenzato F64e). When it comes to my wife, using the built-in grinder/tamp in the oracle enables her to actually use the machine, otherwise she would never bother using it.
Many thanks...great work as always. Any chance of assessing the ECM Classika PID Espresso Machine vs the Appartamento? Upgrading from Brev Barista Express, trying to decide.....
The ECM Classika PID is not a heat exchange or dual boiler design. Once you brew a shot, you flip a switch to heat it enough to steam milk. I only recommend that model for someone who rarely or never steams milk. ECM are really great, but I think what you should look for is an HX (heat exchange) with PID or a dual boiler with PID. The Appartmento doesn’t have a PID and the Classika doesn’t have HX.
Thank you @@marshallgoldberg8376 ! Still looking to see the comp. I very rarely steam milk ( maybe, maybe 30x/yr), but since it would be for guests, I'd like to understand (watch) the process.
Interesting vid thank you. 🙂 Great analogy with the Tesla / Porsche too. After 2 Breville DB machines (900, then 920) I recently upgraded to an ECM Mechanika E61, primarily for a more reliable long term machine. Coffee quality and usability of the Brevilles was awesome, just found them too unreliable. Unfortunately the electronics inside make them vulnerable to the inevitable leaks in a consumer grade machine, resulting in expensive repairs. If still under warranty this might be OK, and extended warranties might be a consideration (read the fine print tho), but at some stage these will run out. What tipped me over was a $470 (AUD) repair bill after the machine died following the descaling procedure *to the letter*. Following this I considered annual professional servicing to hopefully prevent issues in future, however this was quoted at $150-200 each time, which would obviously add up quickly over time. As you said in the vid, the E61 machines are fairly scant for features (I miss the shot timer for one), however the large initial outlay will hopefully be offset by a longer lifespan with less visits to the serviceman (with some being done by myself). The extra steam power is great too.
Spot on. Agree with your comment re DBD reliability issue! Been using Breville dual boiler for the past 5 yrs. Recently the stream wand is leaking outside, as well as inside damaging the power board. The wand cannot be self serviced, although it looks you can. (No way you can take it off by using a wrench) . The total repair quote is $600 AUD. With this kind of repair cost, it better off to go with a new one (p.s. get ext warranty !) Descale process is not so easy either. Before the machine became dead, it was easy to use and making good coffees consistently.
My BDB Steam Boiler died after a descale. I repaired it by my self but it wasn’t easy to access the machine at the spot I had to fix it. Absolute Nerv-cracking! It was a thermal-fuse on the right side of the steam Boiler which I was able to order and replace it. Total Costs without time were about 25$.
Great video! Something you didn’t cover is servicing/parts availability down the line. It look me literally weeks of searching to find the correct solenoid valve after mine broke. Coffee servicing companies around my area also refused to work on breville, sunbeam, etc because of parts availability. So keep that in mind!
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I have been using the Breville Bes870 Barista Express model for 7 years. It has only needed servicing once, and that was after 4 years of use. My machine has a single boiler. The grinder is on top of the machine, and I use it in my café. It can handle even this level of heavy use. However, yesterday it finally broke down completely. Now, I'm looking for a new machine. The Rocket looks great, but I've gotten used to Breville's fully automatic operation. I can put the coffee in the portafilter, press the espresso button, and take care of other tasks in between. But if I choose the Rocket Espresso machine, I won't be able to take my eyes off the machine while making coffee. I'm really confused. What other machine would you recommend for a low-budget café?
Keep in mind it needs to be rated and certified for commercial use in order to use in a cafe. The la spaziale machines are often some of the best value for this purpose if you need programmability
Using a BBE (almost a year)... love to have the BDB as my next upgrade. But as you stated the BDB, appliance look, keeps me leaning to the Rocket. I like to save a little more and get the Rocket Mozzafiato Cronometro since it has PID. Is really PID that important or just get the Appartamento?
I think its important to just be honest with yourself about HOW critical you are of your espresso. Can you taste a 2-3 degree difference in water temp? Then you'll probably want a PID. That being said, E61s by nature are very temperature stable, you just need to properly flush before your shots, and have a consistent routine.
A pid only controls your steam boiler temp in a heat exchanger machine. A single boiler or dual boiler would be more temp stable. As ll said, it's up to you at the end. Personally I don't think the jump in price is worth it because it's still just hx. BDB is a better machine to extract every last ounce of tastiness at South of $2500. If E61 is a must then I would say lelit mara x
I honestly liked the Breville dual boiler over the apartamento. Being an ex-barista programmatic volumetric flow control comes standard on pretty much all commercial machines in cafe's (well, here at least) so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for the same from a home machine. Once I'm dialled in, I do want to just press a button and focus on steaming milk, or perhaps cleaning up and not have to worry about pulling a lever back down (or does it come back down on its own?). My only gripe with the dual boiler is how slow the steaming is an it took me a little while to adjust but it's fantastic for my partner though.
As an ECM E-61 owner, (on my second machine, a quieter upgrade from a 2001 Giotto), I couldn't imagine owning a plasticy, auto-everything machine. It just doesnt appeal to me and looks and feels like a beginner's kit. The E-61s are easy to fix if you can work a screwdriver and a wrench. I sold the old machine for $1200 on EBAY, paid $1500 new, so the resale value is strong if you maintain them.
Fantastic comparison. I ‘m yet to understand how a steel coffee machine can be worth $3500 - $7000. Italian manufacturers appear to have a knack for selling 40 year old analogue technology at extravagant prices.
Thank you for the review. I was going to upgrade my Breville to a rocket since it had to be serviced 2 times in 3 years. But I can't do it for the price difference. It's over 3 times the price of my breville and I don't think it taste 3 times better. I'm thinking I'd take my chances and throw out 3 Brevilles to 1 Rocket. I guess some of us will settle with a Honda vs an entry level Mercedes.
My first machine was the appartamento, and I upgraded to the Decent after only 6 months because I felt I “outgrew” it. Sounds like it would have been different with the breville.
I’ve heard the analogy of cars and engagement before and it makes sense, moreso from a mechanical or analog perspective. The bdb can be very hands off when desired or also have the ability to really control and dial in variables, making it very engaging when you have the time/desire to play or a difficult to extract coffee.
Rocket Appartamento is VERY bad for home usage. All E61 group head is made for shops that have specific production rate. Btw it is also very bad for time of orders rush, as it likes to overheat and do nasty stuff. BDB is undoubted king for real world home usage. But on their place I'll make it smaller and will reduce and change both boilers. First - need to make them repairable like on Delonghi. Second - need to stop using steam boiler as heat exchanger as it is stupid and reduce it's size to something like 400ml, perfect for home machine. Third - stop doing fully useless expensive heated group, as the way it is made it make little to no sense.
If there's a lifetime warranty from the distributor (with inexpensive repair costs for parts after the warranty period), then the Breville 920 unquestionably stands out as the best machine in its price range. In Taiwan, where I bought my Breville from the local distributor, their reputation for warranty service is excellent, with swift repairs and affordable fees. While Breville, being a home appliance coffee machine, may not boast the same all-metal construction as other E61 machines, its consumables require replacement only infrequently. If the company that distributes Breville in your country offers affordable repair costs, then Breville is indeed a good and reliable choice.
One is a consumer appliance, one is a coffee machine One will last a long time, one won't - you only have to prescribe to coffee forums (home barista or coffeesnobs) to find out which one One has cafe machine componentry and gives you a more cafe style experience (taste), one doesn't One uses a standard and reputable E61 group head and one uses its own One has access to a whole pile of accessories like baskets, group handles including naked group handles, gaskets, filter paper, puck screens, flow control, etc, one doesn't One is repairable with easy to obtain parts, one has to be returned to the manufacturer and replaced which could take weeks etc etc etc etc
Both are 58mm portafilters :) But yes, the build quality differences have been beat to death, including in this video. At the end of the day, the Dual Boiler is an extremely capable machine in terms of espresso performance in its price bracket. I encourage you to watch the whole video, as I'm quite happy with how we represented both sides of this comparison, including covering the points you mentioned...
@@LifestyleLab_ I did watch the whole video and you did present a balanced/unbiased report but I am a prescribed contributor to many coffee forums and you only have to read the many comments about not only breakdowns but how long it took to get their machine back or replaced. I've owned Sunbeam/Breville/Krupps appliances as well as a Rocket Giotto and the difference is certainly not Tesla vs Porsche. The latest Brevilles like the Oracle have similar price tags to the Appartmento. I know which one I'd rather buy.
Absurd. Breville has parts available. There are upgrades to baskets and shower screens. And they are reliable provided you properly descale and maintain them. I've had mine for 6 years. No problems other than a routine replacement brewhead gasket. But yeah. The rocket looks pretty.
@@gobgobcachoo Absurd . I know people who have waited months for a repair even with available parts if you're lucky. The Rocket doesn't need descaling unless you use unfiltered or poor water. I've owned a Rocket and a VBM Domobar with standard E61 group heads for over 10 years and never descaled. In fact most of the technicians say you shouldn't descale with a standard machine like the Rocket unless you absolutely have to and I don't rate the Breville as a standard machine and I'm a qualified Barista. I've also owned a few of the "appliance" type machines and they aren't in the same league.
My dual boiler lasted a couple years then the water valve stopped turning on. Talked to breville and they sent me a brand new one. So far so good. If it broke again I might consider Italian but if Breville keeps supporting my dual boiler then might just keep sticking with the dual boiler.
I know this is and old video but would like to ask is there a big difference between espresso form the machines? I would like to get the Breville Duel Boiler but my counter space is limited, I have been looking at the Profitec 400 because of small foot print, any advice, I have also looked at Lelit Elizabeth.
The absolute biggest contributor to espresso shot quality is not the machine, but actually the grinder. I would recommend going on the low end of your machine budget and investing more into a very good espresso grinder if you are looking for pure espresso shot performance.
I have a Eureka Mignon I use with my BB Pro right now and it is a lot better then the built in gringer, hey when are you going to show off Coffee Roaster in Canada, I have found a list of 130 Roasters in Washington, State and I'm sure there are more, I live in Olympia, WA and we have 6 roasters that I know of, I've been trying some different roasters at Beanz through Breville, a lot of fun, happy coffee day :)
The Apartamento is very well built, but it's competitors have left it in the dust, if only because they have PID's and adjustable temperature control. Breville offers a lot of programming conveniences, but IMO takes the art, and to my way of thinking some fun, out of espresso making. An E61 with a flow control device can be loads of fun experimenting with different "recipes" without having to go into "programming".
Any recommendations on baskets, tamps, distributors, aftermarket group handles all for the BDB? (I have a 19-22g Pullman basket at the moment, which have very squared edges, but thinking of trying others and possibly smaller double shot baskets like the 17-18g)
I’ve got the Appartamento and love it. I did consider the breville dual initially but decided the rocket. Pros. If things break in it. Most of it is easily repairable, kinda like a Toyota Landcruisers. Basic, yet indestructible, reliable and high quality. Performs amazingly and holds its value :)
I've repaired a few dual boilers and I'd say the rocket is easier to repair but if you're able to repair one, you can repair the other. Both have lots of spare parts available but the Breville probably has more upgrade possibilities and lots of perfectly good used parts and good community around it.
i could never pick a made in china breville over a rocket. the difference between a machine that you should be passing down for generations and one that is just a made in china appliance.
@@AC-wl7ve It has nothing to do with which country makes it. It all depends on how much you are willing to pay. Considering you are going to pass down a mid-level coffee machine for generations. I highly recommend you to buy a made in China Bambino which potentially suits your low budget.
Rocket over Breville, Tesla over Porche. I had a Breville and it lasted 5 years and ceased working and was not worth repairing so it went to landfill. Get the Rocket, you will be able to repair it and get far more joy out of making your coffee. I now own an E61 machine and it is so much better in every way than the Breville. Buy something that is going to last and not end up as rubbish.
I have a breville barista express. What would be a good upgrade but also endgame type of machine? Like a cafe type quality of espresso bit machine for home
Depends what your budget is, and also remember you should budget at least $1000 for a grinder if you’re talking cafe quality coffee (larger impact on taste than the machine)
@Lifestyle Lab I'm thinking like 2500 usd for espresso machine. Is a niche grinder good? I feel like my barista express does put out good shots, but I'm looking for cafe quality.
Rancilio Silvia Pro X, Lelit Bianca are around that price and excellent choices. Or could go with an Ascaso Steel Duo and spend more on the grinder. Ascaso Steel Duo and a Lagom P64 would be better than cafe quality for home.
Both use vibratory pumps. The Appartamento will allow you to adjust the brew pressure easily. The Dual Boiler would require modification that will void the warranty
A muddy espresso would refer to one that is excessively strong in mouthfeel / body. This has very little to do with what machine you're using. A better quality grinder can reduce the number of fines, which can help. But mostly this comes down to how the shot is dialed in. lifestylelab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Dialing-In-Espresso-Compass.jpg
An important Question I missed is the heating time. I'm sure The appartamento is a better machine, but for morning routines I wonder what the heating time is. Any thoughts? Thx
Boiler heat up times are comparable at around 10 minutes, but the Breville can be programmed to turn on in the morning. Appartamento you can do the same with a timer or smart switch :) After that time, you still need to get the group / portafilter up to temp. The Breville will be slightly faster here, but you can also run a few blank shots on either of you’re in a rush
Interesting vid thanks. If you were entertaining and had to make eg 10 espresso shots in succession, do you think the E61 group machine would fare better than the more thermal on demand Breville design?
I actually have to do that at least 3 times per year and I have a BDB. I host 4th of July, Christmas Eve and others and every time I have to make anywhere between 7-10 lattes with absolutely no problem. The machine is easily up to temp and ready to go by the time you grind, distribute and tamp (approximately 30 to 45 seconds all in). I just think the value, convenience and features you get with the BDB is simply unmatched by any e61 machine at the same price.
I have a Flair 58 and a BDB. I have a Niche and I have a Lido OG. Very different things. Very different drinks. I like both groupings. A lot. I find E61 machines to be in a weird middle ground, which I don’t love.
An interesting comparison as I currently own a 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range and a 1996 Porsche 993. Having owned Porsches for many years, I have loved them, but it is now for sale. I am at the stage of life where I embrace a bit more automation and therefore would favour the Breville machine.
Dual boiler vs Bambino? Actual speed comparison and actual quality of finished product. Is dual boiler worth 5x the price? One could even get two bambinos and still be less than half the price if one wants steaming and brewing at the same time and do it with on demand heating. In which case I'm not sure the point of the dual boiler. Is it's espresso that much better?
@@marshallgoldberg8376 10 seconds? Wow! I'd probably end up covered in foam! Lol. Ok now I need one of those. The bambino is fast but still 40 seconds. Maybe 20 for a really small actual Italian drink. (My prior Krups one was like 3 minutes).
@@marshallgoldberg8376 Not a problem 200g is a bit more than I usually steam. Bambino around 45-50 sec for 200g. And it's no slouch, yet you still double it's performance. And even a bit more. Add 6.2 seconds for the baratza vario grinder, and I can't steam and pull at the same so another 20-25 for the shot. (Depending on how many of those final drips I want). Love my breville. But I wouldn't complain if a higher end model suddenly appeared in my kitchen. Could I ask, what machine are you using?
I have the Infuser - great machine. The big plus for me is the super fast heat up time. Has anyone upgraded or use an Italian machine that doesn't need a 20-30 minutes heat up time prior?
The infuser uses a thermocoil instead of a traditional boiler to heat the water, which is what allows for such quick startups. The "thermoJET" Brevilles can heat up in under 5 seconds! You won't see many "traditional Italian" machines using that type of heating system, however
@@LifestyleLab_ from what I've read on forums, the Lelit Elizabeth isn't too bad regarding warm up times. About 15 mins I think. Would make a good comparison between the Breville DB and Lelit Elizabeth
Question we all wanted answered is " which machine makes the superior espresso shot?" After all, that's the main reason one is spending so much money on the first place. I do hope I hear back from you. thank you
The Dual Boiler has the ABILITY to make a better shot due to its higher range of adjustability. You'll actually find that once you get to a certain price point, you aren't paying for improved quality. Much of espresso machines pricing is based on their convenience, durability, and brewing capacity
Fantastic overview! Perhaps you have other vids, new subby here, what other machines are better or rival the Appartamento for similar price (or a little more but worth it)?
I have had my Appartamento for 5 months now....recently upgraded the shower screen and gasket....so now it is a Super Saiyan Appartamento. It would have been nice to have a PID though.
Could you please bring both machine closer to each other and give them some intimacy? They might get a beautiful baby that has all the good features. Here's the Brocket Dual Appartementoiler.
Breville Dual Boiler is much more temp stable than most E61s. E61 is an old ass design that is paired with old ass Hx tech in the appartamento. There's zero reason to get the appartamento these days
@@marcusannegarn8497 Then, which machine would you choose from light roasting espresso that is difficult to extract? With the exception of Decent, the budget below the price range of LMLM
Currently looking to upgrade to a prosumer machine myself. I was first taken in by the Appatamento but after much research I now firmly believe people choose it purely on it’s looks. All style and no substance. Especially when you can get Profitecs for a couple of hundred more with PID’s and dual boilers. It’s a no brainer.
I had a Breville Infuser and I liked it. Now I have an Italian E61 and I love it. It’s absolutely beautiful, fun to use and I love waking up every morning to these drinks.
So true! The Breville Dual Boiler is my go to machine as well. The features are simply way way more functional and consistent. Now, when is there going be a thermojet version.... 😄
@@Iceman-xe7jo As said in the video, it depends on where you live. In Australia the Appartamento costs at least two or three times as much as the dual boiler. At the moment the dual boiler can be bought for $999 (current promotion, which comes up often here), while the Appartamento costs $3500.
Basically identical Both will need 5-10 minutes to get their boilers up to temperature, and then another 10-15 to heat the portafilter adequately (unless you want to run blank shots to warm it up)
@@LifestyleLab_ hmmm.....I thought it was around 6mins for the Breville to get up to temp and ready for use, which was or is one of it's major advantages over 20-30 for a E61
Which one is your pick and why!?!?
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Would you recommend Barista Touch Vs all other espresso machines?
No, I think the Breville "touch" models are poor value for money
@@LifestyleLab_ Which Breville do you recommend?
Barista Pro is there most compelling option right now, in my opinion. Or the Dual Boiler if you REALLY like to experiment and have budget for a good grinder
I just ordered the Rocket 🙊
The Tesla/Porsche comparison is spot on. Well done.
Now I have Porsche, yes!
I actually disagree. It’s more like a Nissan GT-R vs a Porsche. The BDB may be lower build quality and less manual than the Rocket, but it actually out performs the Rocket (this is where the model 3 vs a Porsche analogy doesn’t work). It’d perhaps be more correct to compare a Tesla model S plaid and the Porsche.
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Not a car guy, but i am watch guy, so I’ll just say that it’s a gshock to seiko comparison
@@riddlemethis79maybe more like Tesla vs MX5 or GR86? Not sure you can throw an EV comparison in there?!
I had a Breville infuser for about 6 years are a few minor issues and then a water leak I decided to upgrade to the Rocket . I’m glad I bought the rocket is been 2 years of real enjoyment. Glad I spent the money, it’s well put together and can highly recommend this machine . I can see everyone wants to boo hoo peoples likes and dislikes or mentioning machines that are not a direct competitor to the machines in question. I like the machine and it does everything I need it too.
I've had the Breville Express for 3+ years now running daily and it's still going strong. While the Apartmento uses higher quality materials on the outside, I don't think it's fair to completely judge the build quality just on that. What ultimately matters is the quality of the shot, and how reliable it is over the long run, and you'd only be able to do that if you tore it down and compared their performance over time IMO.
5.5y... still makes the best coffee
@@missy267 what does?
Same, although not the same machine I use.. But going extremely well for me. Best coffee I've had I barely go to cafes
I can assure you the rocket is very well built inside
I have an Express that is over 10 years old. Makes 1-2 cups per day. It is starting to leak some water onto the counter and I’m looking to replace it soon. I’m definitely buying another Breville. Can’t complain about 10 years of solid service!
I got my breville for 220€ used and it seems to be roughly 9-10 years old and not having seen much or any service from the previous owner. But it still works perfectly.
I think you can adjust the steam boiler temperature so it steams faster.
I absolutely love it, and the comparable E61 style ones start at at least 4 times the price used
My Pavoni Europiccola is more than 40 years old.I did a gasket change and a good descaler twice since,best part I have a mechanical background,I did it myself.Use it almost every day and has become like an old friend
I got a Sage DB earlier this year and have no regrets. It’s a great machine that makes outstanding (to my palate) espresso.
Sage were offering a discount at the time so it worked out at £900 - great price.
I loved my sage DB till it died. The warranty had expired. The gave me a free repair visit. Otherwise i could not even get the parts in the uk anymore.....
I sold it and downgraded to a Bambino plus temporarily. Need to buy a new machine. I like the newer Rancillio...easy repairs! No pid kit necessary!
@@TheJmsbrown What did you get?
I had a Rocket Mozzafiato R for 15 days and returned it. Purchased a Breville Dual Boiler and I couldn’t be happier. The Rocket is built for looks and it sure was pretty but once you start digging into it you’ll find cost cutting all over the place. The last straw for me finding a rusted frame when I looked underneath. A Breville with the slayer mode beats any heat exchanger machine. You’d have to spend 3k to match it.
La marzocco: Ferrari
Synesso & Slayer: Bugatti
Decent: F1
I don't think you should ignore the reliability or servicing aspect of these machines. The Rocket uses industry standard parts and although many Breville users may have had them for a long time with no issue, there are plenty of users of both of these machines that found the need to repair them. If you are a novice and just want to step up and pull a shot, the Breville is probably easier and more repeatable. I chose the Appartamento because I wanted a machine that I could easily have serviced. Mine actually did have the pressure stat fail, and my local espresso service shop could easily fix it. They also confirmed that they would not touch a Breville. Spending over $1,500 on a machine that is basically disposable made no sense to me. It is probably impossible to know how long either machine will last before they need service, that data is not easily found. But I took that approach that both machines will eventually fail. Just depends how lucky you feel.
To be honest I think the unrepairability of the bevilles is overstated. I just brought a second hand dual boiler and replaced the bre pump and solenoid myself. The pump was a ulka pump that as far as I know is used in a lot of machines, and the solenoid was easy to swap out and cheap to buy on ebay. From pulling it apart and looking into the parts myself they're almost all either standard or at least readily available.
Excellent comparison video! Also, very fair comments to each machine :) I'm a first time owner of a home espresso machine, and after (rather) extensive research, I went with the Breville DB for a few reasons: (1) Price - for the features it offer as well as the overall build quality, the price point is undeniably worth it; (2) Scalability - it further allows amateurs (like myself) to experiment in a safe environment, while being able to pull decent shots one after another; (3) Looks - as mentioned in the video, Breville adopts a more "modern" approach to the design, and the DB no doubt will fit many other kitchen appliances at home (think for e.g., the kitchen aid mixers). Last but not least, it is exactly because the DB is relatively cheaper as compared to, say, the Rockets or LeLits, it makes future upgrades easier on the pocket. Thanks again for this wonderful video @Lifestyle Lab
I’ve been using the Breville for 5 years in my small Café : build quality has never been an issue and coffee quality is second to none (once you learn the machine). Also, hasn’t it been established that Teslas are faster than Porsches?
Have you ever owned a porsche?
@@edgarsalas7495 I knew this was coming haha
Hey Hazzar! I'm looking for a budget friendly little espresso machine to put on my coffee cart for a local farmers market. We're looking at no more than 50 cups per day (and likely less). Do you think this Breville machine would hold up for a few years if properly secured and maintained? Would love insight from a professional rather than home use point of view and I'm having a hard time getting info. TIA!
Teslas are not faster than Porsches. Wtf, who told you this bullshit.
You create the most grounded, thoughtful and useful reviews. You have helped me so much to understand this world. Thank you! Keep it up!
Thanks for watching, it means a lot :)
Thanks for this review, I think you nailed it pretty well. I have a Brevelle and a ECM semi automatic. They are very different experiences. I find the Brevelle is easier to use for the less experienced with its push button simplicity. So when guests come to visit I steer them to the Brevelle. I do believe I enjoy the engagement of the old school ECM Synchronika dual boiler. The Synchronika is plumed I and has a direct drain which is important to me. I’ve opened both machines up and yes the Brevelle is mostly plastic fittings and silicone tubes on the inside, that said, I’ve not have any issues after two years of service.
In Australia the rocket is twice the price of the breville - and the breville includes a very good grinder in that price. It’s a no-contest. While I’ve never owned a rocket, I’ve owned my current breville espresso machine for 10 years and it hasn’t skipped a beat.
Do understand that Australia often has very odd pricing compared to some other regions
You are comparing a piece of plastic made in china with a handmade machine hand made in Italy. It is a no contest.
the rocket is great but it requires ongoing servicing. The dual boiler is great when you service it at least yearly.
@@ajillian1 not when it comes to actually making espresso though
Build quality seems to be a big reason to go for the rocket. The thing is my barista express has been super reliable for over 4 years. If one is simply better but the other is still good enough I would not put too much thought on build quality. Maybe if you plan to keep for 10+ years and we all know apartomanto is not end game machine.
Build quality is not only about how long it lasts, but how it feels
I'd say a DB can last for 10-15 years, because the components themselves are pro-grade.
@@nickel_las Mine is going strong 8+ years , Great Machine DB is
My Breville lasted 3 years boiler leaked.
Warranty was 2 years
I think you should mention also that the appartamento takes significantly longer to heat up than the BDB. I've heard 20-30mins and that's just way too long for me. Also if the BDB gives me 5 years, I'm happy. Not looking for a decade machine.
Bought a refurbished Oracle Touch in 2019 for less than 1000$ with 1 year warranty. Run ever since without issues. I think the PID dual boiler in oracle touch and heated group head produces superior results to the Rocket. IF i use my separate grinder (Fiorenzato F64e). When it comes to my wife, using the built-in grinder/tamp in the oracle enables her to actually use the machine, otherwise she would never bother using it.
After only a quick look search, Appartamento is DOUBLE the price of the Dual with Grinder in Aus.
Breville often on sale well under 1k. More like 3x the price
Isn't Breville Australian? Roughly the same price here in Europe
@@RottingYoda breville is called sage in europe
Many thanks...great work as always. Any chance of assessing the ECM Classika PID Espresso Machine vs the Appartamento? Upgrading from Brev Barista Express, trying to decide.....
ECM are great machines.
The ECM Classika PID is not a heat exchange or dual boiler design. Once you brew a shot, you flip a switch to heat it enough to steam milk. I only recommend that model for someone who rarely or never steams milk. ECM are really great, but I think what you should look for is an HX (heat exchange) with PID or a dual boiler with PID. The Appartmento doesn’t have a PID and the Classika doesn’t have HX.
Thank you @@marshallgoldberg8376 ! Still looking to see the comp. I very rarely steam milk ( maybe, maybe 30x/yr), but since it would be for guests, I'd like to understand (watch) the process.
being able to empty the 2 boilers during the descaling is a big advantage on Breville
If you are married I will go with the Breville For it's ease of use and consistent performance.
My wife is not messing with the Apartmento. Ever.
Interesting vid thank you. 🙂 Great analogy with the Tesla / Porsche too.
After 2 Breville DB machines (900, then 920) I recently upgraded to an ECM Mechanika E61, primarily for a more reliable long term machine.
Coffee quality and usability of the Brevilles was awesome, just found them too unreliable. Unfortunately the electronics inside make them vulnerable to the inevitable leaks in a consumer grade machine, resulting in expensive repairs. If still under warranty this might be OK, and extended warranties might be a consideration (read the fine print tho), but at some stage these will run out. What tipped me over was a $470 (AUD) repair bill after the machine died following the descaling procedure *to the letter*. Following this I considered annual professional servicing to hopefully prevent issues in future, however this was quoted at $150-200 each time, which would obviously add up quickly over time.
As you said in the vid, the E61 machines are fairly scant for features (I miss the shot timer for one), however the large initial outlay will hopefully be offset by a longer lifespan with less visits to the serviceman (with some being done by myself). The extra steam power is great too.
Spot on. Agree with your comment re DBD reliability issue! Been using Breville dual boiler for the past 5 yrs. Recently the stream wand is leaking outside, as well as inside damaging the power board. The wand cannot be self serviced, although it looks you can. (No way you can take it off by using a wrench) . The total repair quote is $600 AUD. With this kind of repair cost, it better off to go with a new one (p.s. get ext warranty !) Descale process is not so easy either.
Before the machine became dead, it was easy to use and making good coffees consistently.
My BDB Steam Boiler died after a descale. I repaired it by my self but it wasn’t easy to access the machine at the spot I had to fix it. Absolute Nerv-cracking! It was a thermal-fuse on the right side of the steam Boiler which I was able to order and replace it. Total Costs without time were about 25$.
It's not a great comparison. Tesla is trash in every way. It was an unfair insult to the Breville.
Finally I found a coffee machine that fits my Porsche 😄 Nice comparison, spot on!
Which one will last longer? Which one could you repair yourself?
Easy choice for me.
Great video!
Something you didn’t cover is servicing/parts availability down the line. It look me literally weeks of searching to find the correct solenoid valve after mine broke. Coffee servicing companies around my area also refused to work on breville, sunbeam, etc because of parts availability. So keep that in mind!
I have been using the Breville Bes870 Barista Express model for 7 years. It has only needed servicing once, and that was after 4 years of use. My machine has a single boiler. The grinder is on top of the machine, and I use it in my café. It can handle even this level of heavy use. However, yesterday it finally broke down completely. Now, I'm looking for a new machine. The Rocket looks great, but I've gotten used to Breville's fully automatic operation. I can put the coffee in the portafilter, press the espresso button, and take care of other tasks in between. But if I choose the Rocket Espresso machine, I won't be able to take my eyes off the machine while making coffee. I'm really confused. What other machine would you recommend for a low-budget café?
Keep in mind it needs to be rated and certified for commercial use in order to use in a cafe. The la spaziale machines are often some of the best value for this purpose if you need programmability
Using a BBE (almost a year)... love to have the BDB as my next upgrade. But as you stated the BDB, appliance look, keeps me leaning to the Rocket. I like to save a little more and get the Rocket Mozzafiato Cronometro since it has PID. Is really PID that important or just get the Appartamento?
I think its important to just be honest with yourself about HOW critical you are of your espresso. Can you taste a 2-3 degree difference in water temp? Then you'll probably want a PID. That being said, E61s by nature are very temperature stable, you just need to properly flush before your shots, and have a consistent routine.
A pid only controls your steam boiler temp in a heat exchanger machine. A single boiler or dual boiler would be more temp stable.
As ll said, it's up to you at the end.
Personally I don't think the jump in price is worth it because it's still just hx.
BDB is a better machine to extract every last ounce of tastiness at South of $2500.
If E61 is a must then I would say lelit mara x
PID does not make much sense in a HX. Only in a single or dual boiler.
I honestly liked the Breville dual boiler over the apartamento. Being an ex-barista programmatic volumetric flow control comes standard on pretty much all commercial machines in cafe's (well, here at least) so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for the same from a home machine. Once I'm dialled in, I do want to just press a button and focus on steaming milk, or perhaps cleaning up and not have to worry about pulling a lever back down (or does it come back down on its own?). My only gripe with the dual boiler is how slow the steaming is an it took me a little while to adjust but it's fantastic for my partner though.
Repairability differences? Please include this in future videos.
Just to be clear, the group on the Breville is not saturated. It's electrically heated. Different system.
Does the dual Boiler cups warmer really work or like the other breville models
It is much better than the thermojet models. Still not anywhere near as good as the Rocket's but it will actually lightly warm the cups
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks again for the great review and quick response
Any time 😁
As an ECM E-61 owner, (on my second machine, a quieter upgrade from a 2001 Giotto), I couldn't imagine owning a plasticy, auto-everything machine. It just doesnt appeal to me and looks and feels like a beginner's kit. The E-61s are easy to fix if you can work a screwdriver and a wrench. I sold the old machine for $1200 on EBAY, paid $1500 new, so the resale value is strong if you maintain them.
Fantastic comparison. I ‘m yet to understand how a steel coffee machine can be worth $3500 - $7000. Italian manufacturers appear to have a knack for selling 40 year old analogue technology at extravagant prices.
Thank you for the review. I was going to upgrade my Breville to a rocket since it had to be serviced 2 times in 3 years. But I can't do it for the price difference. It's over 3 times the price of my breville and I don't think it taste 3 times better. I'm thinking I'd take my chances and throw out 3 Brevilles to 1 Rocket. I guess some of us will settle with a Honda vs an entry level Mercedes.
I have a Porche so I will go with Appartamento. Thanks for the review!
I have a Tesla Model 3 and a Breville lol
The perfect comment thread 👌 haha
@@uberdoughboy Sorry to hear you own that pos car.
No need for that here.
My first machine was the appartamento, and I upgraded to the Decent after only 6 months because I felt I “outgrew” it. Sounds like it would have been different with the breville.
I’ve heard the analogy of cars and engagement before and it makes sense, moreso from a mechanical or analog perspective. The bdb can be very hands off when desired or also have the ability to really control and dial in variables, making it very engaging when you have the time/desire to play or a difficult to extract coffee.
where can I find the Cranberry Red dual boiler from Breville
Rocket Appartamento is VERY bad for home usage.
All E61 group head is made for shops that have specific production rate.
Btw it is also very bad for time of orders rush, as it likes to overheat and do nasty stuff.
BDB is undoubted king for real world home usage.
But on their place I'll make it smaller and will reduce and change both boilers.
First - need to make them repairable like on Delonghi.
Second - need to stop using steam boiler as heat exchanger as it is stupid and reduce it's size to something like 400ml, perfect for home machine.
Third - stop doing fully useless expensive heated group, as the way it is made it make little to no sense.
@@balmatian Nope. I have Delonghi retro one :-)
What about who has the best customer service in case of breakdowns and repairs and maintenance?
If there's a lifetime warranty from the distributor (with inexpensive repair costs for parts after the warranty period), then the Breville 920 unquestionably stands out as the best machine in its price range. In Taiwan, where I bought my Breville from the local distributor, their reputation for warranty service is excellent, with swift repairs and affordable fees. While Breville, being a home appliance coffee machine, may not boast the same all-metal construction as other E61 machines, its consumables require replacement only infrequently. If the company that distributes Breville in your country offers affordable repair costs, then Breville is indeed a good and reliable choice.
Ahhh the ‘a word’. ‘Analog’. I’m sold. 👍🏼
One is a consumer appliance, one is a coffee machine
One will last a long time, one won't - you only have to prescribe to coffee forums (home barista or coffeesnobs) to find out which one
One has cafe machine componentry and gives you a more cafe style experience (taste), one doesn't
One uses a standard and reputable E61 group head and one uses its own
One has access to a whole pile of accessories like baskets, group handles including naked group handles, gaskets, filter paper, puck screens, flow control, etc, one doesn't
One is repairable with easy to obtain parts, one has to be returned to the manufacturer and replaced which could take weeks
etc etc etc etc
Both are 58mm portafilters :)
But yes, the build quality differences have been beat to death, including in this video. At the end of the day, the Dual Boiler is an extremely capable machine in terms of espresso performance in its price bracket. I encourage you to watch the whole video, as I'm quite happy with how we represented both sides of this comparison, including covering the points you mentioned...
@@LifestyleLab_ I did watch the whole video and you did present a balanced/unbiased report but I am a prescribed contributor to many coffee forums and you only have to read the many comments about not only breakdowns but how long it took to get their machine back or replaced. I've owned Sunbeam/Breville/Krupps appliances as well as a Rocket Giotto and the difference is certainly not Tesla vs Porsche. The latest Brevilles like the Oracle have similar price tags to the Appartmento. I know which one I'd rather buy.
Absurd. Breville has parts available. There are upgrades to baskets and shower screens. And they are reliable provided you properly descale and maintain them.
I've had mine for 6 years. No problems other than a routine replacement brewhead gasket.
But yeah. The rocket looks pretty.
@@gobgobcachoo Absurd . I know people who have waited months for a repair even with available parts if you're lucky. The Rocket doesn't need descaling unless you use unfiltered or poor water. I've owned a Rocket and a VBM Domobar with standard E61 group heads for over 10 years and never descaled. In fact most of the technicians say you shouldn't descale with a standard machine like the Rocket unless you absolutely have to and I don't rate the Breville as a standard machine and I'm a qualified Barista. I've also owned a few of the "appliance" type machines and they aren't in the same league.
My dual boiler lasted a couple years then the water valve stopped turning on. Talked to breville and they sent me a brand new one. So far so good. If it broke again I might consider Italian but if Breville keeps supporting my dual boiler then might just keep sticking with the dual boiler.
Can I use this for a 20+ coffee per day?? (is for the office)
Great comparison helping me choosing … thx
I know this is and old video but would like to ask is there a big difference between espresso form the machines? I would like to get the Breville Duel Boiler but my counter space is limited, I have been looking at the Profitec 400 because of small foot print, any advice, I have also looked at Lelit Elizabeth.
The absolute biggest contributor to espresso shot quality is not the machine, but actually the grinder. I would recommend going on the low end of your machine budget and investing more into a very good espresso grinder if you are looking for pure espresso shot performance.
I have a Eureka Mignon I use with my BB Pro right now and it is a lot better then the built in gringer, hey when are you going to show off Coffee Roaster in Canada, I have found a list of 130 Roasters in Washington, State and I'm sure there are more, I live in Olympia, WA and we have 6 roasters that I know of, I've been trying some different roasters at Beanz through Breville, a lot of fun, happy coffee day :)
We've featured a few roasters in the past, and actively have a coffee collaboration with De Mello coffee :)
The Apartamento is very well built, but it's competitors have left it in the dust, if only because they have PID's and adjustable temperature control. Breville offers a lot of programming conveniences, but IMO takes the art, and to my way of thinking some fun, out of espresso making. An E61 with a flow control device can be loads of fun experimenting with different "recipes" without having to go into "programming".
Any recommendations on baskets, tamps, distributors, aftermarket group handles all for the BDB? (I have a 19-22g Pullman basket at the moment, which have very squared edges, but thinking of trying others and possibly smaller double shot baskets like the 17-18g)
I’ve got the Appartamento and love it. I did consider the breville dual initially but decided the rocket. Pros. If things break in it. Most of it is easily repairable, kinda like a Toyota Landcruisers. Basic, yet indestructible, reliable and high quality. Performs amazingly and holds its value :)
This specific model of Breville is totally repairable at home. That the only Breville like that
I've repaired a few dual boilers and I'd say the rocket is easier to repair but if you're able to repair one, you can repair the other. Both have lots of spare parts available but the Breville probably has more upgrade possibilities and lots of perfectly good used parts and good community around it.
i could never pick a made in china breville over a rocket. the difference between a machine that you should be passing down for generations and one that is just a made in china appliance.
@@AC-wl7ve It has nothing to do with which country makes it. It all depends on how much you are willing to pay. Considering you are going to pass down a mid-level coffee machine for generations. I highly recommend you to buy a made in China Bambino which potentially suits your low budget.
@@yuearcher9776 what?
Rocket over Breville, Tesla over Porche. I had a Breville and it lasted 5 years and ceased working and was not worth repairing so it went to landfill. Get the Rocket, you will be able to repair it and get far more joy out of making your coffee. I now own an E61 machine and it is so much better in every way than the Breville. Buy something that is going to last and not end up as rubbish.
I have a breville barista express. What would be a good upgrade but also endgame type of machine? Like a cafe type quality of espresso bit machine for home
Depends what your budget is, and also remember you should budget at least $1000 for a grinder if you’re talking cafe quality coffee (larger impact on taste than the machine)
@Lifestyle Lab I'm thinking like 2500 usd for espresso machine. Is a niche grinder good? I feel like my barista express does put out good shots, but I'm looking for cafe quality.
Rancilio Silvia Pro X, Lelit Bianca are around that price and excellent choices. Or could go with an Ascaso Steel Duo and spend more on the grinder.
Ascaso Steel Duo and a Lagom P64 would be better than cafe quality for home.
@Lifestyle Lab Thank you! I'll have to look into those. Do you have videos on those?
On the Ascaso yes :)
Lagom I haven’t had the pleasure of owning yet
The breville does catch my eye a bit more, is there a difference in the pump and does it matter. Can either machine allow me to control pump pressure?
Both use vibratory pumps. The Appartamento will allow you to adjust the brew pressure easily. The Dual Boiler would require modification that will void the warranty
@@LifestyleLab_ what is a muddy espresso? And will either the machine or grinder reduce that?
A muddy espresso would refer to one that is excessively strong in mouthfeel / body. This has very little to do with what machine you're using. A better quality grinder can reduce the number of fines, which can help. But mostly this comes down to how the shot is dialed in. lifestylelab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Dialing-In-Espresso-Compass.jpg
An important Question I missed is the heating time. I'm sure The appartamento is a better machine, but for morning routines I wonder what the heating time is. Any thoughts? Thx
Boiler heat up times are comparable at around 10 minutes, but the Breville can be programmed to turn on in the morning. Appartamento you can do the same with a timer or smart switch :)
After that time, you still need to get the group / portafilter up to temp. The Breville will be slightly faster here, but you can also run a few blank shots on either of you’re in a rush
@@LifestyleLab_ Thx!
Interesting vid thanks.
If you were entertaining and had to make eg 10 espresso shots in succession, do you think the E61 group machine would fare better than the more thermal on demand Breville design?
I actually have to do that at least 3 times per year and I have a BDB. I host 4th of July, Christmas Eve and others and every time I have to make anywhere between 7-10 lattes with absolutely no problem. The machine is easily up to temp and ready to go by the time you grind, distribute and tamp (approximately 30 to 45 seconds all in). I just think the value, convenience and features you get with the BDB is simply unmatched by any e61 machine at the same price.
I have a Flair 58 and a BDB. I have a Niche and I have a Lido OG.
Very different things. Very different drinks.
I like both groupings. A lot. I find E61 machines to be in a weird middle ground, which I don’t love.
Fantastic presentation! Thank you!
An interesting comparison as I currently own a 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range and a 1996 Porsche 993. Having owned Porsches for many years, I have loved them, but it is now for sale. I am at the stage of life where I embrace a bit more automation and therefore would favour the Breville machine.
Dual boiler vs Bambino? Actual speed comparison and actual quality of finished product. Is dual boiler worth 5x the price? One could even get two bambinos and still be less than half the price if one wants steaming and brewing at the same time and do it with on demand heating. In which case I'm not sure the point of the dual boiler. Is it's espresso that much better?
My Italian dual-boiler steams milk in ten seconds. But I had more modest machines for decades.
@@marshallgoldberg8376 10 seconds? Wow! I'd probably end up covered in foam! Lol. Ok now I need one of those. The bambino is fast but still 40 seconds. Maybe 20 for a really small actual Italian drink. (My prior Krups one was like 3 minutes).
@@donutwindy I lied. Sorry; I timed it this morning, and it took 20 seconds to steam 200 grams of milk.
@@marshallgoldberg8376 Not a problem 200g is a bit more than I usually steam. Bambino around 45-50 sec for 200g. And it's no slouch, yet you still double it's performance. And even a bit more. Add 6.2 seconds for the baratza vario grinder, and I can't steam and pull at the same so another 20-25 for the shot. (Depending on how many of those final drips I want). Love my breville. But I wouldn't complain if a higher end model suddenly appeared in my kitchen. Could I ask, what machine are you using?
Bambino is no match for the dual boiler. The dual boiler can control the temp and preinfusion. And has more steaming power I supposed?
Can you review the Ascaso Steel Duo PID vs Rocket Appartamento
That's definitely a comparison I'll make. Not sure if they'll be in the studio at the exact same time though
Drinking only espresso i never need a steam wand so rocket for the 58mm and classiness
This Breville is 58mm too! But can't argue with the added classiness of the Appartamento 😎
@@LifestyleLab_ ah of course that slipped my mind. I’ve the sage be which I love. Rocket will come one day
you know my answer ;)
Best looking Appartamento in the game!
I have the Infuser - great machine. The big plus for me is the super fast heat up time. Has anyone upgraded or use an Italian machine that doesn't need a 20-30 minutes heat up time prior?
The infuser uses a thermocoil instead of a traditional boiler to heat the water, which is what allows for such quick startups. The "thermoJET" Brevilles can heat up in under 5 seconds! You won't see many "traditional Italian" machines using that type of heating system, however
@@LifestyleLab_ from what I've read on forums, the Lelit Elizabeth isn't too bad regarding warm up times. About 15 mins I think. Would make a good comparison between the Breville DB and Lelit Elizabeth
Question we all wanted answered is " which machine makes the superior espresso shot?" After all, that's the main reason one is spending so much money on the first place.
I do hope I hear back from you. thank you
The Dual Boiler has the ABILITY to make a better shot due to its higher range of adjustability.
You'll actually find that once you get to a certain price point, you aren't paying for improved quality. Much of espresso machines pricing is based on their convenience, durability, and brewing capacity
Fantastic overview! Perhaps you have other vids, new subby here, what other machines are better or rival the Appartamento for similar price (or a little more but worth it)?
Rocket Appartamento vs Profitec Pro 400!
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@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks.
Excellent review. Finally.
Thank you!
Great review. And you pronounced Porsche correctly so an extra bonus 👍
Might be the first positive comment I’ve received about pronunciation 😂
and can't you upgrade the e61 to have flow control
You sure can!
Can also do a similar mod on the Dual Boiler
The question is, which machine makes the better tasting espresso shot consistently? Pls reply..ty
The Dual Boiler will be able to make a better, more consistent shot
Dude such a good video.. Love your opinions of these machines and the car analogy.
Thanks! Much appreciated
As daily drivers, I’m happy with a Tesla and Breville.
I'll take the Porsche 911 and the Rocket.... to each his own!
@@haroldconner6265 I win with my bicycle and Nespresso.
@@REMY.C. Win? a good workout and a marginal espresso. Congrats!
@@haroldconner6265 lol that's exactly what it is, but hey at least I have muscular legs 😂
I’m also happy with my Tesla, but I always admire a Porsche on the road 👍
Amazing video and comparison!
I have had my Appartamento for 5 months now....recently upgraded the shower screen and gasket....so now it is a Super Saiyan Appartamento. It would have been nice to have a PID though.
PID is must, believe me. And change factory pressure setting to 9bars 👍
The BDB may be more modern but the RA just simply a work of art ❤
Could you please bring both machine closer to each other and give them some intimacy?
They might get a beautiful baby that has all the good features.
Here's the Brocket Dual Appartementoiler.
😂😂😂
@@LifestyleLab_ you're an engineer, come on, make them have s*x! 😂
Excellent presentation and unbiased
I've had both--though a DB E61--I wish I never sold my BDB....The E61 superiority is largely a lie. Breville is equally temp stable and more capable.
man good to see you outside discord!
🤣 hello! 👋 Now I'm totally wondering who you are!
Breville Dual Boiler is much more temp stable than most E61s.
E61 is an old ass design that is paired with old ass Hx tech in the appartamento.
There's zero reason to get the appartamento these days
@@marcusannegarn8497 Then, which machine would you choose from light roasting espresso that is difficult to extract?
With the exception of Decent, the budget below the price range of LMLM
Amazing review abd comparison!
Great informative over view review 👏
Have you tried the Slayer mod on the Breville?
Not yet! I like having a hot water outlet on my machines, but eager to try it out of curiosity
Such a great comparison!!
Love the video Comparison. 👍👍
which tastes better?
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Currently looking to upgrade to a prosumer machine myself. I was first taken in by the Appatamento but after much research I now firmly believe people choose it purely on it’s looks. All style and no substance. Especially when you can get Profitecs for a couple of hundred more with PID’s and dual boilers. It’s a no brainer.
Profitec Pro 700 is my end game machine 💪
Breville/Sage ftw!
Watch lance Henrick, modify breville pipe to allow controlled flow, really interesting.
This can also be done using the water valve on the dual boiler!
Love the Tesla vs Porsche metaphor. BTW I own a Porsche and the Rocket Apartamento!
It’s not a fluke! 😉
We had a Rocket Giotto and it proved to be rather unreliable the revelled we have had since have been much better on that front.
Whichever quieter I'll pick but I can only afford Oscar ii. Appartamento for me it's a bit overpriced.
I had a Breville Infuser and I liked it.
Now I have an Italian E61 and I love it. It’s absolutely beautiful, fun to use and I love waking up every morning to these drinks.
I choose "Porsche":)
Really great video comparison
Thanks Joe!
I have the Breville and after 7 years on consistent shots it's slowly dying! Electrical. No Service, no parts. UPGRADING to Rocket !
Oh and I drive a Tesla.
So true! The Breville Dual Boiler is my go to machine as well. The features are simply way way more functional and consistent. Now, when is there going be a thermojet version.... 😄
The rocket being Italian pedigree I was waiting for “Ferrari” instead of Porsche….but a Ferrari would probably be a pro-level espresso machine ….
Aha good point! But yes, didn't figure the performance quite garnered a supercar comparison
Ferrari stopped making manual transmission vehicle 10 years ago. Porsche still does ;)
Ferrari is La Marzocco maybe?
The Breville is literally half the cost of the Apartmento! Other than that, really good job in the comparison video and the Tesla/Porsche analogy!
Half the cost? The dual boiler model is 1599 and the Appartamento is 1750. Not that much of a difference.
@@Iceman-xe7jo As said in the video, it depends on where you live. In Australia the Appartamento costs at least two or three times as much as the dual boiler. At the moment the dual boiler can be bought for $999 (current promotion, which comes up often here), while the Appartamento costs $3500.
You forgot to mention the heating time of each.
I don't want to wait half an hour to have a coffee in the morning!!
Basically identical
Both will need 5-10 minutes to get their boilers up to temperature, and then another 10-15 to heat the portafilter adequately (unless you want to run blank shots to warm it up)
@@LifestyleLab_ hmmm.....I thought it was around 6mins for the Breville to get up to temp and ready for use, which was or is one of it's major advantages over 20-30 for a E61
awesome video ....cheers