I don't know if there are any circumstances that would have lead to him being correct. Even if all 20 primarchs remained loyal the empire would still remain in a state of perpetual war, it would just be only against the xenos. I mean you can't kill off the ork race since they are mushroom monster men that continuously release spores for automatic reproduction. Then eventually they would have to deal with a bunch of metal Skellitons emerging their nap, and even if all of that weren't true the Tyranids are already en route to the milky way Galaxy and humanity would be the primary source of delicious bio mass.
@@griffindault Honestly, I think the Necrons are the key to defeating the Nids. If they can, let's say, get the Celestial Orrery back online, it would be a devasting weapon to use against the Nids and other races alike.
@@griffindault They had hoped to return to a point technologically where the orks (once again, like they were during the age of technology) were not a threat anymore. The necrons would still be an issue, but if the Imperium in M42 can handle them then a unified Imperium with all 20 primarchs and a still-alive emps would be able to manage them. The nids could potentially be one of those threats that are always present, but not necessarily difficult to deal with threat when it does crop up.
@@griffindault If the Night Lords didn't turn traitor, then Pharros Device wouldn't have been detonated, and the Tyranids probably wouldn't have found the Milky Way Galaxy right? Or potentially the Nids would have been delayed long enough for the Imperium to deal with them. Idk much about them but I like Dantioch.
There’s a grim sadness to Dorn and Valdor it may be the first time that they aren’t being professional but rather more open and introspective into what this war has turned them into. They were made to build a future a united empire, but here they are facing against the dying of the light against the worst of humanity. Valdor is more grim as he states that while dorn’s task thought hard is temporary his task protecting the emporer will never truely end. Depressing
Truly sad, I wonder how deeply it cuts into the other loyal primarchs at the siege of Terra, how different their futures turned out to be compared to what they might have had planned or thought of.
I find it funny and tragic how similiar Perty and Dorn were in this matter. They both wanted to do something more than war. Dorn however got a true taste of how it is to do something else, to build , upgrade and achieve. Perturabo? He knew only war , attrition and failure..
Yeah Dorn did get to flex his building prowess, alas it was for war. Who knows what the praetorian could have wrought in the name of peace and art. We'll sadly never know.
@@TheAkuandr3zShow At least we know in part, what a loyalist son of the Fourth was capable of. Such a small garrison, holding out against an entire army of traitors - and ending up with throwing their own fortress at an Imperator titan in a final F You, before teleporting onto the enemy vessel and taking it for their own
The thing is, this is the conversation that proves just how human they are. Even if for just a moment, they relax and let their guards down, and reflect on what a life of war has done to them. UPDATE: I got “we were born for more” with the emblem of the astra militarum tattooed on my shoulder
This scene got me. Ngl I forgot how I had cried about this. I had a moment like this in my life and idk how to phrase it but this scene covered it and I was taken to that memory and I don’t understand how
Another fantastic scene with dorn in this book (or maybe the next) is when he is talking to sinndermen and realises what he is feeling is fear, and that he can feel fear even though he is a primarch. That a part of him is still very human
I love the grimdark of 40k when the Emperor was genuinely trying to make things good for humanity, making strides to remove oppression and fear but it all came crashing down when Chaos tempted his favored son leading it to ruin leaving a pale deformed mockery of what he hoped for mankind. That's the true grimdark to me that it was to have such a good and bright future yet it was stolen leaving nothing behind but a horrific long death of hope. In a universe dead set on stamping out all of mankind's humanity for a few to cling tightly to it it's tattered shred even in the face of hopeless dark I think is the core of what grimdark is as it's best. The Krieger who ushers a small child onto a transport then turns away to hold off the horrors hounding them, the Lamenter who has see hundreds of years of misfortune and mistrust in a deep depression as his brothers die around him who then jumps up with the same vigor he had on his first day to save a random person from the darkness they are fighting. These small glimmers of fleeting hope and light are what made 40k's grimdarkness so compelling to me. I honestly think the whole of the setting is at it's best in this moments even if it's a demi god son of the Emperor lamenting the loss of his father's hopes and dreams for his sons when the time for war was to be over. Nothing could be more human than that.
I find the idea that the Primarchs express, and Guilliman is especially guilty of this, that they were creating some grand vision that has been led astray fascinating. They're wrong, of course; it's easy enough for them to buy into the Emperor's vision, but it's a lot harder to make that case to someone like Angron. But they despise what the Imperium was turning into, despite it being the natural conclusion of the path they set it on.
I wonder if perhaps maybe the statement of dorn only ever being a warrior reflects on what he's doing now maybe The praetorian is learning those nuisances of culture and everything he wished to be maybe he'll come back an even better man and warrior because of it probably not but :)
Why not? Though I will always defend grimdark from people who dismiss it as "misery porn" since grimdark settings are tales of hope and perseverance, 40k is supposed to have many sad moments.
I used to upload more but they got copyright so I have to chose my clips wisely and edit them with extra stuff like music or sound effects to make it different enough. I will try though.
I want to say a comment regarding Valdor, but I don't know if you have read or spoiled yourself on the latest Eisenhorn book. Please reply at your own discretion
This isn’t him, the narrator is Jonathon Keeble. He is one of Black Library’s (30k-40k’s main book publisher) primary narrators, and he’s narrated several books in the HH series aside from this one, as well as numerous 40k novels.
I respect your opinion but did you not find the Horus rising, Istevaan battles and specially the End and the Death volumes 1,2 (havent read 3) to be at least deeply/interesting and very vividly conveying the experiences on the battlefield behind and on the frontlines?
@@1dhruvkumarHate to be pedantic, but Horus Rising and all books that mention Isstvan are parts of «Horus Heresy» book series. The End and Death is a part of «Siege of Terra» book series, though.
I love that even a Primarch could not realize that they’re speaking out loud.
That thought weighed on his mind so much he accidentally shared a part of his soul out loud.
How terrible that Valdor's hope did not come to pass, even he could not see the vastness of what would be lost.
I don't know if there are any circumstances that would have lead to him being correct. Even if all 20 primarchs remained loyal the empire would still remain in a state of perpetual war, it would just be only against the xenos. I mean you can't kill off the ork race since they are mushroom monster men that continuously release spores for automatic reproduction. Then eventually they would have to deal with a bunch of metal Skellitons emerging their nap, and even if all of that weren't true the Tyranids are already en route to the milky way Galaxy and humanity would be the primary source of delicious bio mass.
@@griffindault Honestly, I think the Necrons are the key to defeating the Nids. If they can, let's say, get the Celestial Orrery back online, it would be a devasting weapon to use against the Nids and other races alike.
@@griffindault They had hoped to return to a point technologically where the orks (once again, like they were during the age of technology) were not a threat anymore. The necrons would still be an issue, but if the Imperium in M42 can handle them then a unified Imperium with all 20 primarchs and a still-alive emps would be able to manage them. The nids could potentially be one of those threats that are always present, but not necessarily difficult to deal with threat when it does crop up.
@@griffindault If the Night Lords didn't turn traitor, then Pharros Device wouldn't have been detonated, and the Tyranids probably wouldn't have found the Milky Way Galaxy right? Or potentially the Nids would have been delayed long enough for the Imperium to deal with them. Idk much about them but I like Dantioch.
You dare doubt the inevitable success of our genoci- I mean glorious imperium!?
There’s a grim sadness to Dorn and Valdor it may be the first time that they aren’t being professional but rather more open and introspective into what this war has turned them into. They were made to build a future a united empire, but here they are facing against the dying of the light against the worst of humanity. Valdor is more grim as he states that while dorn’s task thought hard is temporary his task protecting the emporer will never truely end. Depressing
Truly sad, I wonder how deeply it cuts into the other loyal primarchs at the siege of Terra, how different their futures turned out to be compared to what they might have had planned or thought of.
Hearing Valdor speak of hope is so refreshing, he truly was/is the Emperor's greatest son.
Valdor in one in quadrillion, a teacher that was forced to be a warrior
I find it funny and tragic how similiar Perty and Dorn were in this matter. They both wanted to do something more than war. Dorn however got a true taste of how it is to do something else, to build , upgrade and achieve. Perturabo? He knew only war , attrition and failure..
Yeah Dorn did get to flex his building prowess, alas it was for war. Who knows what the praetorian could have wrought in the name of peace and art. We'll sadly never know.
One could even say it’s… IRONic
Sorry that pun was a little hamFISTed
Why doesn’t she love me back
@@TheAkuandr3zShow At least we know in part, what a loyalist son of the Fourth was capable of. Such a small garrison, holding out against an entire army of traitors - and ending up with throwing their own fortress at an Imperator titan in a final F You, before teleporting onto the enemy vessel and taking it for their own
The thing is, this is the conversation that proves just how human they are. Even if for just a moment, they relax and let their guards down, and reflect on what a life of war has done to them.
UPDATE: I got “we were born for more” with the emblem of the astra militarum tattooed on my shoulder
This scene got me. Ngl I forgot how I had cried about this. I had a moment like this in my life and idk how to phrase it but this scene covered it and I was taken to that memory and I don’t understand how
Hope your doing better now, brother.
I hope you can find peace in life.
This has to be one of the saddest scene in a Warhammer book.
Another fantastic scene with dorn in this book (or maybe the next) is when he is talking to sinndermen and realises what he is feeling is fear, and that he can feel fear even though he is a primarch. That a part of him is still very human
Such great literature
I love the grimdark of 40k when the Emperor was genuinely trying to make things good for humanity, making strides to remove oppression and fear but it all came crashing down when Chaos tempted his favored son leading it to ruin leaving a pale deformed mockery of what he hoped for mankind. That's the true grimdark to me that it was to have such a good and bright future yet it was stolen leaving nothing behind but a horrific long death of hope. In a universe dead set on stamping out all of mankind's humanity for a few to cling tightly to it it's tattered shred even in the face of hopeless dark I think is the core of what grimdark is as it's best. The Krieger who ushers a small child onto a transport then turns away to hold off the horrors hounding them, the Lamenter who has see hundreds of years of misfortune and mistrust in a deep depression as his brothers die around him who then jumps up with the same vigor he had on his first day to save a random person from the darkness they are fighting. These small glimmers of fleeting hope and light are what made 40k's grimdarkness so compelling to me. I honestly think the whole of the setting is at it's best in this moments even if it's a demi god son of the Emperor lamenting the loss of his father's hopes and dreams for his sons when the time for war was to be over. Nothing could be more human than that.
My beloved Lamenters.
I find the idea that the Primarchs express, and Guilliman is especially guilty of this, that they were creating some grand vision that has been led astray fascinating. They're wrong, of course; it's easy enough for them to buy into the Emperor's vision, but it's a lot harder to make that case to someone like Angron. But they despise what the Imperium was turning into, despite it being the natural conclusion of the path they set it on.
I wonder if perhaps maybe the statement of dorn only ever being a warrior reflects on what he's doing now maybe The praetorian is learning those nuisances of culture and everything he wished to be maybe he'll come back an even better man and warrior because of it probably not but :)
Nah, he never got over his failure to protect the emperor. He is either dead or wishing he was dead
This, is the imperial truth, and the imperial hope.
This makes me cry
The emperor protects.
I know it would bother tons of people, but I do think that audio books should use music like this to elevate the moment
Perturabo: Mood
Dorn is literally me
Are you dead? Then change to what you wished you were. Only in death does hope and change end.
Na, you're a B-1 battle droid.
@@inwit594 ☝️🤓
Why is this making me cry?? Like wh40k shouldn't make me feel like this
It just means your only human, just like the rest of us, brother.
Why not? Though I will always defend grimdark from people who dismiss it as "misery porn" since grimdark settings are tales of hope and perseverance, 40k is supposed to have many sad moments.
Which book is this from?
Saturnine
@@TheAkuandr3zShowis this your voice work?
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 no absolutely not lol I wish. It's from the Audiobook version, Johnathan Keeble is the narrator.
@@TheAkuandr3zShowwhich is an absolutely SUPERB book btw!
Can you make more videos like this please
I used to upload more but they got copyright so I have to chose my clips wisely and edit them with extra stuff like music or sound effects to make it different enough. I will try though.
Thank you
I want to say a comment regarding Valdor, but I don't know if you have read or spoiled yourself on the latest Eisenhorn book.
Please reply at your own discretion
The King in Yellow?
Me irl
this is indeed, neverwinter nights lore
3:30
_Now kith_
The future of humanity brought down by a son... forever broken...
Is this your voice?
Its the Remberancer’s voice, this channel is a fraud
This isn’t him, the narrator is Jonathon Keeble. He is one of Black Library’s (30k-40k’s main book publisher) primary narrators, and he’s narrated several books in the HH series aside from this one, as well as numerous 40k novels.
i found this being the only memorable line in the entire Siege of Terra series, it was that bland.
I respect your opinion but did you not find the Horus rising, Istevaan battles and specially the End and the Death volumes 1,2 (havent read 3) to be at least deeply/interesting and very vividly conveying the experiences on the battlefield behind and on the frontlines?
@@1dhruvkumarHate to be pedantic, but Horus Rising and all books that mention Isstvan are parts of «Horus Heresy» book series. The End and Death is a part of «Siege of Terra» book series, though.
I know it would bother tons of people, but I do think that audio books should use music like this to elevate the moment
@@CoolSmoovie agreed