All companies have to do is to boycott hedge fund group like "Blackrock" or "Vanguard" since they're the one giving them the money to stay afloat but only if they push their "Message".
'Woke' is just a symptom of chicks taking over the corporate world; who have all been 'educated' to be the exact same drones. 'Progress' can't be stopped until chicks are put back. The real problem in our society - egalitarian men.
Movies are made for escapism. To get away from the real life for a couple of hours, not being constantly reminded of the real world when you watch them. Its the same when youre watching cartoons as a kid. Pure escapism. I really dont get when some people say that its important to see yourself on screen so it will be easier to relate to whats going on. If its about ethnicity or skin color or whatever. I have autism. Im NEVER asking for a character in a movie or show that has some degree of autism. I dont need to see someone that reminds me of myself in that regard. I just want to entertained and engaged in the story. Rush Hour is a great example of where you have an asian and a black guy in the lead of a movie where it feels organic. Its not like you have to be black or asian to enjoy those movies
What adds to the frustration is how these studios pretend like they are the first people to ever do these things. Like pretending we’ve never had female action leads or gay kisses or black superheroes…!!
@@caveatlector2671 The big investors pushing ESG goals have pretty much unlimited funds. Blackrock and the like, they own most of the assets on THE PLANET.
You know what’s a shame? Because they turned all the historically male heroes into women, now the boys don’t have toys to play with. They don’t want a girl action figure. Instead, he plays all with all my GI Joes from when I was a kid.
@Long John Thilver That is why Paper books are still important, without a worldwide government decree to destroy them, you will always find the unadulterated text somewhere.
Ya know...as an African American female, I'm not gonna spend hard earned money on a movie that sucks simply because it has characters that look like me, which is what Hollywood is banking on, and why they'll eventually go broke if they don't start making talent more important than race, gender, and sexuality. In the early 90's the majority of my friends were gay dudes who had gay movie nights where it was like we were watching some pretty horrible movies just to support the movement when all of the movies we watched went straight to video for a reason 🤔.
I'm with you and it's insulting, as part of their thinking process must be "Black people will go see ANYTHING as long as black people star in it." I want to see a film because it's well written and the characters are sussed out with an over all solid production. Plus there are so many great original stories from the Bronx all the way to the Central African Republic that could be turned in to films starring African American actors instead of rehashing and recasting like they do today.
In the 80s and 90s there were plenty of local video rental stores whose shelves were heaving with cheap, low budget horrendously bad B-movies nobody wanted to buy and were fit only for the local incinerator. Some of these movies had really nice posters and packaging to entice buyers and renters, but they were still bad gutter quality features.
The thing is even most women want to see Dwayne Johnson, Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill, etc... They like seeing strong male characters more than weak emasculated ones with women always putting them down.
Precisely, I used to be a massive movie fan and when I discovered streaming sites online I was watching one or two movies/shows per day and I would buy them if I liked them. Now I'm lucky if I watch a couple of new releases per month. Anything woke or radical feminist I switch off or if I have a strong idea it'll be woke I don't even bother. I'm sick of all the indoctrination and propaganda and sick of female leads. It wouldn't even be so bad if the female leads were likeable but they're all spiteful, misandrist, obnoxious and boring characters. Why would guys want to go and watch a female movie when she spends most of the movie putting down their gender .
The biggest problem is the Screen Actors Guild (SAG). They MANDATE diversity hiring. You are literally forced to cast according to their affirmative action rules. The irony being- it is ILLEGAL in the U.S. to hire/fire someone base on race/sex/creed - But SAG is forcing every film production to break the law and do exactly that.
You also have to think about the investment people at black rock and their ESG rating. If you ain't progressive enough, they pull out their investments, so if the corporations stop pushing the message they'll go bankrupt. It's all a WEF scheme for global control and a future social credit score system.
I imagine those laws don't apply to movies, cause there's good reason why they wouldn't. Naturally, for example, if you're making a biopic, you'd want the actor playing the subject of the film to look like the person in question. In a historical film like All Quiet on the Western Front, you're not gonna hire a bunch of black actors to play the German soldiers.
I think it was fantastic of Critical Drinker to take time away from his preparations to take on his new role as First Minister of Scotland to sit down and have a chat with you Chris. Always great to listen to the both of you share your insight and opinions about the movies and their effect on our culture for good and bad. Keep up the awesome work!
Leftists, socialists and wokists have a characteristic behaviour, where they continue to repeat the same over and over again never realising what they do is not working, because, they never reflect, never 5hink and do not care about results
Make no mistake, the wokeness and DEI movement within Hollywood is something that is here to stay until something counter to the madness comes in and removes it. What we have seen in Hollywood over the past few years is a doubling and tripling down of unpopular tropes and stories that actually uses fan “outrage” to justify the most creatively bankrupt period of entertainment I have seen in my lifetime.
Streaming services and the death of physical media is aggravating this as well. Failed products cannot survive when the income stream is the customer paying for it directly.
It makes perfect sense, the studio's will NEVER change, because EVERYTHING has become Identity Politics and more evil stuff, ALL big companies are doing the Identity Politics and more, almost everything has become that, and just as the banks, the big studio's if they would go (almost) bankrupt, the government or so will save them, just as the banks, and GM, and Aircraft Companies during 2020/2022, and other huge companies that went bankrupt. They are doing this BS Identity Politics, and propaganda/brainwashing 30+ years now, and it all begins in Public Schools, and Radio, and TV, and Internet, and more. If you tell a lie long enough and repeat it often enough, people ARE going to believe it, and people believe a big lie faster then a smal lie.
Not necessarily, it does not matter how woke it gets and how much movies must have social progression for box ticking and attracting investors. There will be a collapsable point, as woke is a path not a destination. The one way to see the end, there will be a time, where the fiscal and monetary losses are just too great, Disney May even go bankrupt (can’t see that happening) - people, companies and investors will no longer invest if there is no money to be made, I see the beginning of the end here, Disney is now losing money more than its making, this is a ticking time bomb, a bubble like 2008…it will pop…we just don’t know when
@@dawseyboy1 Lehman Brothers(4th largest investment bank in US, operated for 158 years until it collapsed in 2008) didn't they could go bankrupt either. Markets have a way of reminding ideology that the former is enforced through physical reality and the latter is not.
If there is a legitimate demand for "non-woke" media, whatever that even means, then a supplier will rise up to fill that demand. That is how free market capitalism works...
@@vanadyan1674 You are assuming there is a free market. Activist groups force advertisers and investors to boycott non-woke TV and film all the time, while woke content benefits from ESG subsidies. Most worryingly, a controversial Shia Muslim film in the UK was removed from circulation after Sunni Muslim protesters threatened cinema staff at the screen venues. Hardly a "free market".
Considering the past couple years has brought us movies like Dog, Top Gun: Maverick, The Green Knight, Avatar: The Way of Water, The Whale, Dune: Part One, Spiderman: No Way Home, Everything Everywhere All At Once, The Batman, Thirteen Lives, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Jesus Revolution, I think they’re still making movies people want to see
@@tonatiuhnino3711 The Northman was so good and based; that’s a movie that will be timeless unlike the mountains of slop Hollywood produces nowadays. A24 is the only studio who isn’t a whole garbage fire so being under that and being directed by Eggers definitely saved that movie. It’s gonna be a cult classic for a lot of people in a decade or so, mark my words.
Yep. The media want my trust back, but they lost my trust in 2016. Now I utterly despise them, I don't want to trust them anymore, I want the mainstream media to die.
Another significant issue is that many of these studios are financially wrapped up with OTHER corporations in other sectors, so the woke entertainment can be subsidized by PROPER businesses that aren't presenting themselves as woke.
Love the episode, but I do need to correct you on one point. On Jan. 20, 1944, Secretary of War Henry Stimson announced the reinstatement of the draft for all Nisei men. Young Japanese American men were now considered loyal enough for compulsory military service. These draftees from the detention camps subsequently fought in some of the bloodiest battles in Europe. Many of these solders received high honors for bravery and courage.
The problem that happened was Hollywood swung too far to one side, the perceived issues weren't invalid, but their answer to limited diversity, inclusivity, gender, sexuality, etc. was to overcompensate and it turned off even the communities they were trying to appeal to. Nobody is denying that the world we live has people of all different shapes, sizes, colours and creeds, but it needs to be REALISTIC: those of a minority understand they are in the "minority", but we live in a time where there is so much content to appeal to everybody, so you can seek it out in so many different forms, so why are mainstream movies and television not appealing to the masses? Hollywood has had an identity crisis for some time, being influenced by incredibly vocal, upset and sensitive individuals that have found platforms to get what they want or deal with the consequences of going against them and using other vocal, upset and sensitive individuals to push their agenda; its unfortunate that they don't have any self awareness because at the end of the day, Hollywood is a business, its about making money and pushing one's agenda and message only turns people off.
We're probably at the top or slightly past the top of the hill. But the factor they don't get is that they have damaged the concept of celebrity itself, and with it the concept of Hollywood is severely deprecated. You can't undo that - as the proverbial cat which cannot be put back in the bag.
The lack of genuine heroes is so, so true. A couple weeks ago I was at China's big movie, "The Wandering Earth II" and it was chock full of super heroic people doing "the right thing" and self-sacrificing, from every nation, race, and sex. It was wonderful!! Tonight I'm going to India's "RRR" (for the 3rd time!) which is also chock full of manly, heroic dealings, with zero cynicism.. These films are like a paradisiacal oasis from the constant, depressing drumbeat of blame, hate, and lecturing in Hollywood.. And I notice that the theaters are showing more and more of these foreign offerings as time goes on, because they are drawing people out.. Money talks!
@@drrightwing4435 in every way it could. it lost money, had horrible ratings and got ridiculed how bad it was.. Amazon covering up how poorly it was doing, another good indicator of what a piece of crap it was.
@@drrightwing4435 It was not that well reviewed and though perhaps marginally profitable....critics and fans alike almost universally acknowledge ROP's surplus of cringe-worthy plot lines, acting, woke tropes, and scripting.
@@MPerfect92 same here brother, I already sat through all the Hobbit movies and had that bastardize my childhood so you couldn’t pay me to watch Rings of Power without putting a loaded gun on the table beforehand.
You know what's ironic? It took Hollywood decades to latch onto the idea of the strong female lead character, and when they finally did, they lampshaded it so hard that they ruined it. Anime, meanwhile, has been doing that correctly for ages, and without making a big deal out of it. I'm a straight dude and some of my favorite anime characters of all time are female, but I like them because they're just plain cool, not because they're women.
I agree with you in that. There’s even trans characters in manga and anime; like Tokyo Ghoul, that were interested and enjoyable. Their stories were heartbreaking and very human and their character arch’s very entertaining. Most of the time you forgot if they were trans. Hell there’s one anime about an entire island of fist fighting lesbians that’s hilariously entertaining. It’s not woke, it’s a story and it doesn’t come with a hateful message so it’s enjoyable.
@@phattjohnson Those films were kinda outliers and generally hollywood has not be doing strong female leads, Ripley wasn't even meant to be female to begin with
I wish I was as optimistic. I think it's just going to get progressively worse. Just look at any news feed and the content being shown there - have things gotten better or worse? I think objectively it's gotten worse. Looking at Hollywood's track record, we haven't seen fits and starts where it would get bad, then better, then bad, then better. No, we've seen a steady decline generally starting around 2010, but accelerated and solidified in 2016. It won't matter really what a large percentage of the audience wants. It won't matter that studios will only break even or maybe take losses. It won't matter that, had they not inserted far left politics and the expense of story, they could have made four times as much (Star Wars sequels) and opened the way for other movies, and not cancel them because their original productions underperformed. I don't think it's going to change, because they don't care about maximizing profits and only care about pushing a far left narrative. I honestly believe that they'd rather see Hollywood go down in flames before changing anything. I see zero indication of things changing.
I see changes in advertising. The Super Bowl ads this year are definitely less woke than years past. It takes less time to make ads than live action movies and shows. Animation takes the longest time, which is why Velma exists. Disney seems the most committed to wokeness. I think their executives are afraid of their employees. Netflix employees protested outside of their headquarters after Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer”. After Netflix execs saw the high viewership numbers, they sent a memo to employees telling them: we have a wide variety of content..don’t like that…shut up or leave.
I think video games are quicker to respond for two reasons. First, a much larger fraction of the gaming community is active on gaming specific social media compared to people who go see movies. The internet is more useful in that genre for getting accurate feedback. Second, game developers show a lot more and talk a lot more about in progress projects than movie studios. Combined with the first point they can get feedback on ideas and change the game during production if they think it will make a difference.
Just discovered your channel, and I have to say I will be watching more of your stuff. I liked how you actually pushed the Drinker (or, Will Jordan, I didn't detect much of the Drinker in this) and pulled out the nuance of his opinions and his deeper reasons for his outlook. Especially that last comment of "If my castmates' and my revenue percentages were on the line for something I said about one of our major market country's political picadilloes, I might find that a hard line to walk," and Jordan's straight up "Who would I rather please? And which market actually shows like it pays a better dividend and lets me keep my dignity?" was a fantastic point-counterpoint presentation. You aren't a typical interviewer that highlights the Drinker. You seemed like you drew out Will Jordan and put him out there for guys like me who love the content but not the sarcasm and the cussing. Fascinating to watch!
America used to be a confident nation that stood for godliness and Judeo-Christian values, and was respected around the world. And that was reflected in their entertainment media. Could you imagine a Hollywood movie studio making The Ten Commandments today?
We have two Cineworld cinemas in Harlow. Both are going to close because the chain has gone bankrupt. Last time I was in one of them was to see TopGun Maverick. People cheered at the end. Sadly it came to late.
As a former Percy Jackson fan, I’m curious about how people are going to react to the new Percy Jackson trailer once they reveal all the race-swapped main characters. The author himself is responsible for the race swap and insulted his readers who are not happy with the casting since he previously promised the show to be a faithful adaptation, but it turned out to be the most aggressively race-swapped adaptation ever that makes the other live action Disney remakes look tame. Zeus, Chiron, Medusa, not even the Greek gods and monsters survived being black washed. I’d rest easy just seeing the trailer get ratioed like the Little Mermaid and Peter Pan trailers knowing that these erasures will get rejected and we may eventually get a faithful adaptation when people wake up from this madness someday.
Neil Gaiman did the same thing in defense of Netflix's 'The Sandman' oddaptation. Didn't work out too well for him either. 😆 My reaction to the Percy Jackson trailer was "They're revving up that shitty franchise again after Harry Potter already bodyslammed the fuck out of it?" Guy thought he'd reinvented the wheel by putting Greek mythology through the same old high school sausage machine studios have been grinding shitty tropes through since the Eighties. What an asshole.
Funny how Percy Jackson fans and Riordan collectively shit themselves when the original Lightning Thief movie came out simply because Annabeth had brown hair and it wasn't book accurate now she's gonna be black with black hair and their defending and making excuses for it, it's a joke
Remember, a lot of Hollywood is influenced by china as well. So if china is trying to negatively affect our culture and society, they can easily continue the wokeness in our films (especially if Hollywood is desperate for money). And even if Hollywood gets rid of wokeness, it will still suffer due to the fact people still won’t go to theaters (post Covid culture shift)
What? Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun: Maverick, Puss In Boots, The Batman, Smile, Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist, Jesus Revolution, The Chosen, Smile, Barbarian, Avatar: Way of Water, and Cocaine Bear are proof people will go to the theaters.
Great movies are being made still just not the huge blockbusters from the biggest production companies. Just like how the best music is no longer on the radio.
I think the depressing tone of movies is how a lot of these writers and such in Hollywood feel because they aren't getting their way. Either they aren't getting to tell the stories they want to tell, or they are realizing that they are in the idealogical minority, or that they are not morally superior, or some combination thereof.
I think it's because they think "people shouldn't be having a good time when we're facing all these incredibly important issues like toxic masculinity, transphobia and structural racism." I've actually seen some of these people saying that society won't change until all of us feel like crap.
Some people say that the studios commitment to woke is just skin-deep. I hope so, because if the message is more important than the money, they'll stay this route to the bitter end.
I can confirm that it is skin-deep. How: China. The Chinese posters for Force Awakens have the black character Finn (who I think should've been the main character) shrunk down, and Disney openly stated that they support the Chinese concentration camps (unsure if they do or not, but still a di** move). They go woke in the west and racist in Asia.
The frustrating thing has been watching franchise killing, ideologically driven directors fail upward time after time. All while smack talking the fans directly.
A franchise cannot be killed. If something bad is made, the IP still exists and others can make something good out of it. I think a more accurate term is "abusing a franchise".
I think one thing to keep in mind is who's funding these movies... if it's purely audiences, then sure, they need to worry about losing business... if it's rich people/corporations/governments just pouring tons of money into the company... then this could go on a long time. at some point though, either they're going to have to go full socialist/communist media, and have a required hour a day where everyone is legally required by law to watch an hour of state run media, or go to jail or be fined, or people will just stop watching.
We've been here before, in the 70's. Post-Vietnam, post-hippy, post-Manson, post-American industrial supremacy, gas crisis, inflation, terrorism all over the place. A lot of movies then were gritty, anti-heroic, everyone dies at the end depressing. The movie stars of the era were fine actors but not the square-jawed, charismatic types of previous eras. Then the Eighties arrived. :)
America is not less patriotic today than it was post 9/11 because of social engineering by Hollywood or anyone in my opinion. It has more to do with the feeling Americans have that we are tired of being manipulated and lied to by yes media, but also by the government and the institutions that have been benefiting from the peoples' love for country. Tell us the truth and you risk not getting the support you desire, but after a while no matter what the cause people will lose the trust they once had. It's that simple.
There was once a time Hollywood knew that a character didn't have to look a certain way or be a certain race to be relatable. Woke Producers have forgotten about the majority of us who don't look for representation in a characters race or gender.
Vladimir Lennon was quoted as saying that cinema was the most powerful tool available to indoctrinate the masses. In short, "woke" movies aren't going away. Not at all.
Yes, But, Lenin and the Commies could just force it's people to watch the propagandic trash. not so much when you have to rely on voluntary paying customers to watch your awful offal garbage. (I fixes it for all you sticklers)
@@kamwalker6296 There are always going to be people who watch all kinds of trash. The real problem is that Hollywood has no competition to draw the bulk of the views; it's actually a deeply entrenched LA/California institution with a long history and state/federal support, making it difficult to compete with.
It used to be that there was this spectrum of politics in movies you had the left and the right, but you also had this broad neutral territory where you could make a movie that had nothing to do with politics. I feel like the woke scolds have worked to destroy that neutral territory because they all have this very aggressive “if you’re not with us you’re against us” attitude. We need that neutral ground back.
@@deejaytee But there is such thing as a movie that doesn't care about being a movie and only cares about preaching. Politics in film is like a medication pill; you need to scoop it up with a tasty drink for it to go down, otherwise you choke.
@@Imperials3nate What weird, binary thinking. Movies aren't sentient, they don't "care" about anything. And the "intent" of their filmmakers is irrelevant. What only matters is the politics that they push on the world via what happens on the screen, whether or not their filmmakers intended or not.
Great discussion! One correction. Asian men did fight the axis in Europe in WW2. The 442nd was a segregated Japanese American regimental combat team and it earned the most combat decorations of any unit in the war.
lmao. You mean the dogshit movie where the "bad guys" were so one-dimensionally evil it was a joke? Where the CGI was done by a retarded 13 year old? lol.
I really don't think we can get much worse than She-Hulk and Velma. These shows and films have reached a new meta unapologetic self awareness where they acknowledge what they produce is shit yet still continue making it like this is a South Park style parody. The lines between satire and reality are blurred, where these creators can't see the irony behind what they create. To them its serious and they may take it seriously, but in reality what they're producing is satire.
As a 6ft 3" 17st actor/stuntman last few years have been very strange and slow going and even when on set all the sheeples shuffling around being absolute woke creeps was cringe. I hope it changes soon as its soul destroying
The 70's had similar attitude towards patriotism and you had a lot of anti-authority in movies. Even something like Smokey and the Bandit was anti-authority (although, not anti-American). Then 1980 hit and we had the US Olympic Hockey team, which the whole country got behind and it really showed a desire for national pride that got Reagan elected.
The damage has already been done. Even if the pendulum swings back and a lot of stories and characters will be retconned AGAIN that will make the idea of retconning even more acceptable. Then what's the point of reading/watching anything if it can be retconned/"updated"/given the Roald Dahl treatment etc. in the future, based on whatever craziness will be prevalent at the moment? What's the freaking point?
The comments about burying Batgirl remind me of the line from Ripley in Aliens, "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.”
The biggest question is how much can the movie industry take before their brand is damaged beyond repair when bringing out woke movie after woke movie? If there is a 3 year lead time before any kind of change is implemented then the industry must really consider shelving more movies and take a huge loss or risk destroying themselves beyond repair. Glad I am not the CEO of any of these woke studios. Disney is already no longer considered a "safe for kids" company so they are either already past the point of no return or they are almost there.
To add on about games, Saints Row tried to take what made the series what it was, and it did so terribly that the studio shut down. Forspoken, while a different IP, suffered the same fate; it bombed, the game's already dead, and the studio shut down.
Interesting. My problem with the hyper woke movies is that they seem to think the point of the movie is the woke messages as opposed to a compelling story. See Star Trek Discovery.
I am a woman but I want to see more Rambo and Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, or Con Air. I loved all those macho action men growing up, I am a woman and I don't think it's toxic masculinity at all, I think it's good entertainment.
I can count the recent films I liked. "Ghostbusters Afterlife," "1917," "Halloween Kills," and "Halloween Ends." And I am NOT excited about the 5th "Indiana Jones" film. And as far as video games, I spend the most time with my SNES flashback.
@@Psx806 Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 😃 I just saw "The Joker" last night. All I can say is "JACKPOT." I know better than to waste my time with "Bird of Prey" or "Ghostbusters" (2016).
Its hard to tell at this point. It takes so many years to get a movie out that changes and trends are delayed by quite a bit. But word I'm hearing out of the industry is that they're getting even worse.
Yeah, I’m not convinced the crest has passed. Only when the bankruptcy lawyers, bank repossession agents and large numbers of pink slips for staff appear will it start to change.
That's true regarding Warner Bros. Discovery, WB and Discovery merged in 2022 and Disco people took lead in corporate functions slashing a lot of production and following Harry Potter and LOTR way. Velma release on HBO was deferred accident rather than ongoing trend.
@thecriticaldrinker regarding John Cena’s public humiliation: dont forget that British PM John Major, in his haste to establish himself as Britains voice ahead of Margaret Thatchers visit ended up having to watch tanks roll through Tianamen Square again, this time at the side of leader Deng as though approving the massacre.
Case in point, peter pan and WENDY. It looks horrendous, but was greenlit probably three years ago. My guess is that PP&W was originally planned for a theatrical release, but Disney knows what a stinking turd it is and have shoved it directly to Disney+
@@deejaytee Meaningless race swapping of multiple characters. But the biggest issue for me is there are now girls among The Lost boys. It's a shoddy and ill-thought attempt at diversity and equality but it makes no sense and completely misses the point of the original story. The lost boys weren't portrayed as something to emulate, they were missing a female influence, particularly the quality of a mother. A role that Wendy filled for them. It's just another souless, boring and creatively bankrupt cash grab meant to appeal to the progressive identity politics of the now, rather than faithfully retelling a classic story.
I think it’s hilarious how Hollywood thinks shaming people is gonna make people watch their modern movies. It’s even funnier when they think calling people racist will make people want to watch their movies and then they get shocked when they flop and lose tons of money.
Tom Cruise kept the Taiwanese flag on the back of Mavericks jacket Apparently, there was pressure to remove it to placate the Chinese. But he said no , it stays He's the man
Listening to these two talk about the empty hope of wokeness leaving the entertainment industry along with actors being coached on what to say and not to say about communist China made me sick to my stomach while I was eating my breakfast this morning. It’s no wonder Critical Drinker here pours Jack Daniel’s on his corn flakes as a way of staying mind numbingly drunk throughout the awfulness he and the rest of us have had to endure for several years.
Wouldn’t it take more time, money, and energy to go in without a script just winging it? Scraping things as you go, rewriting and shooting. Seems like that would be a bigger time and money waster.
Excellent point, this is obvious to me - they must've simply 'got rid' of all those screenwriters that went on strike over a decade ago and were never heard of again. 🧐
It's actually true. Apparently, they just take a kind of 'scrapbooking' approach and cut-and-paste as they go along, which is why you so often here about 'reshoots' and 'alternate endings' (more likely just alternate takes filmed at he same time so second or third cuts can be put together) after they've been screened for test audiences. It's also likely why so many of these movies are fucking incoherent because they're being assembled on the fly, like trying to assemble a bike from memory whlie you're riding the fucking thing. It's the stupidest idea ever.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction _Captain Marvel_ might have come across as having a more sympathetic protagonist if it was told in chronological order, so the audience had a chance to get to like Carol Danvers, and then was tricked into thinking (as she does) that the Skrulls are evil space invaders and those who "rescued her" aren't cryptofascists. It still will have flaws, but it won't come across as completely unrelatable, like-me-because-I-have-a-colourful-costume-now. It would need a Hero's Journey. It would need some character arc. Something more than just a flashback of her "getting up again" because there was no time to story properly. One idea is to have Carol want to be on the frontlines, but be denied. She wants to fly jets, but is denied. She gets into flying helicopters and helps save families stranded on rooftops during a flood following a hurricane. Normal level, pre-superpower heroics set the foundation for an empathetic character. Then Annette Bening gives her an opportunity to work on her project, but before she gets to fulfil her dream of going supersonic, they get shot down by what are apparently Skrulls, when actually the Kree shot her down because Bening was helping the Skrulls develop engines that would let them escape the Kree's fascist dominion of space, and the Kree edited Carol's memory of the events to make her think the Kree were not there to help and had their gun up to shoot Jude Law's Kree villian Yon Rogg. Anyway the muddle gets sorted out in the end and everyone gets to eat cake.
The reason it's a political movement is because they want to be able to use government to prop them up. Socialist governments survive well beyond what the market would bear is because they can force society to support their failing ideology, and as a result the people suffer. In a market, if you try to do the same thing, as long as society is economically free enough, the corporations that continue down the same path as socialist governments will hopefully fail. It's why this is not only a corporate strategy but a political one from the wokesters. They want to make it so their ideology is not subject to market pressure. Hopefully as long as they are held off from being able to literally monopolize the market with their ideology, they'll simply cease to exist.
They really can't blame the pandemic now, films like Maverick made a load of money because they gave the audience what they have been missing for years now, escapism and good old fashioned entertainment, and the audience lapped it up. If you look at what is being commissioned at the moment things have changed but, as the Drinker points out, it takes 2 to 3 years before this stuff gets released.
Animation takes the longest time and advertising takes the least amount of time. That’s why the Super Bowl ads were much less woke than new animation like Velma, Lightyear, Strange World. The woke fad is dying, but it will take time to work through.
USA patriotism being in decline is rather due less and less mindset that USA are good guys in politcal arena. They used to be seen as heroes of the western wordl, but people realized that USA has it's flaws and own agenda for their own business
We live in a time when I can’t foresee this effed up industry ever able to make a feel-good, we’re all in this together, neighborly and proud of our country movie again. Be selective with all this crap content! Live this interview style series you two have.
For most of my life I was happily entertained by the Film industry, but for the last 10 years I have not gone to a Movie Theatre, nor do I watch mainstream television or Netflix. Instead I read, listen to music or watch old movies and TV shows on TH-cam. Many people would be surprised with the treasure-trove of really good entertainment on TH-cam. Recently I started re-watching old Late-Night shows such as Johnny Carson and Jay Leno. It is a shame to see this once-powerful industry self-destruct.
3:31 Wokeness is already happening in games just look at MW2 and Warzone. They removed the national flag calling cards for every nation but added all the alphabet and trans flags. And saying bad words is a massive no no now with people getting banned for swearing in a 18+ game.
The Young Ones on bbc2 in the early 80s seems like the last time a mega left TV comedy was funny, lampooning their own lefty characters whilst hating Thatcher, weirdly enough, the same time 'identity' became political in the UK. Imagine Citizen Smith, now ffs! "Power to the people!", if only.
I get the Movie/TV production time lag thing of course and it's a great point, but there is still time to course correct once producers see which way the winds are blowing. That plus box office losses would seem to be the thing that stops a production mid shoot in order to re-tool stories and scripts in order to turn a production around. Perhaps that's why all the Star Wars movies are being delayed, why Indiana Jones has been re-shot a half dozen times.
Hello you beauties. Watch the full episode with Critical Drinker here - th-cam.com/video/UF24n487FrA/w-d-xo.html
It's great these debates you do with Critical Drinker!
All companies have to do is to boycott hedge fund group like "Blackrock" or "Vanguard" since they're the one giving them the money to stay afloat but only if they push their "Message".
'Woke' is just a symptom of chicks taking over the corporate world; who have all been 'educated' to be the exact same drones.
'Progress' can't be stopped until chicks are put back.
The real problem in our society - egalitarian men.
Hollywood is dead name 10 Super Star Actors from the 2010s alone
The pandering tp China isnt all profit based, ita political as well. Make the panda soothed, deal with less stress.
Movies are made for escapism. To get away from the real life for a couple of hours, not being constantly reminded of the real world when you watch them.
Its the same when youre watching cartoons as a kid. Pure escapism.
I really dont get when some people say that its important to see yourself on screen so it will be easier to relate to whats going on. If its about ethnicity or skin color or whatever.
I have autism. Im NEVER asking for a character in a movie or show that has some degree of autism. I dont need to see someone that reminds me of myself in that regard. I just want to entertained and engaged in the story.
Rush Hour is a great example of where you have an asian and a black guy in the lead of a movie where it feels organic. Its not like you have to be black or asian to enjoy those movies
Movies, and media, are often propaganda as well. If you (really) like your country, you might take this sanctimonious drivel personally.
The left hates the idea of escapism.
Correct people want to escape reality. Not be reminded of how sucky their lives really are.
Don't know what rush hour is. Gonna check it out just cause you mentioned it in a good light here
What adds to the frustration is how these studios pretend like they are the first people to ever do these things. Like pretending we’ve never had female action leads or gay kisses or black superheroes…!!
"It's not about money, it's about sending a message."
*Joker*
"It's not about a message, It's about passing judgment."
*Woker*
The Joker has the same ideology as the woke in these companies
@@InsanitysApex woker is so much scarier
Precisely.
@@caveatlector2671 The big investors pushing ESG goals have pretty much unlimited funds. Blackrock and the like, they own most of the assets on THE PLANET.
You know what’s a shame? Because they turned all the historically male heroes into women, now the boys don’t have toys to play with. They don’t want a girl action figure. Instead, he plays all with all my GI Joes from when I was a kid.
@Long John Thilver , that pissed me off. especially they changing James bond books to. I god hope. not dvds. hope not.
@Long John Thilver That is why Paper books are still important, without a worldwide government decree to destroy them, you will always find the unadulterated text somewhere.
Letha Weapon: "Relax son, there are no more heroes in the world." Mel Gibson comes in blasting ! Yeah, boy !
haha!
Well, we have all those manly anime and manga being popular. Remember Armstrong of Fullmetal Alchemist? Manly! With sparkles.
Ya know...as an African American female, I'm not gonna spend hard earned money on a movie that sucks simply because it has characters that look like me, which is what Hollywood is banking on, and why they'll eventually go broke if they don't start making talent more important than race, gender, and sexuality.
In the early 90's the majority of my friends were gay dudes who had gay movie nights where it was like we were watching some pretty horrible movies just to support the movement when all of the movies we watched went straight to video for a reason 🤔.
Straight to video 😂😂😂 l love this comment
This is the way.
I'm with you and it's insulting, as part of their thinking process must be "Black people will go see ANYTHING as long as black people star in it." I want to see a film because it's well written and the characters are sussed out with an over all solid production. Plus there are so many great original stories from the Bronx all the way to the Central African Republic that could be turned in to films starring African American actors instead of rehashing and recasting like they do today.
Amen
In the 80s and 90s there were plenty of local video rental stores whose shelves were heaving with cheap, low budget horrendously bad B-movies nobody wanted to buy and were fit only for the local incinerator. Some of these movies had really nice posters and packaging to entice buyers and renters, but they were still bad gutter quality features.
The thing is even most women want to see Dwayne Johnson, Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill, etc... They like seeing strong male characters more than weak emasculated ones with women always putting them down.
Even I, an asexual, don't mind the eye candy.
women do not know what they want.
evident by feminism.
Precisely, I used to be a massive movie fan and when I discovered streaming sites online I was watching one or two movies/shows per day and I would buy them if I liked them. Now I'm lucky if I watch a couple of new releases per month. Anything woke or radical feminist I switch off or if I have a strong idea it'll be woke I don't even bother. I'm sick of all the indoctrination and propaganda and sick of female leads. It wouldn't even be so bad if the female leads were likeable but they're all spiteful, misandrist, obnoxious and boring characters. Why would guys want to go and watch a female movie when she spends most of the movie putting down their gender .
Hollywood doesn't really care what most women want. Johnson and Cavill have already been canceled. It will eventually happen to Momoa.
Yup! I’d much rather watch Jason Momoa, Chris Hemsworth and Henry Cavill than Kristen Stewart pretending she can beat up a 200lb bloke 🙄
The biggest problem is the Screen Actors Guild (SAG). They MANDATE diversity hiring. You are literally forced to cast according to their affirmative action rules. The irony being- it is ILLEGAL in the U.S. to hire/fire someone base on race/sex/creed - But SAG is forcing every film production to break the law and do exactly that.
You also have to think about the investment people at black rock and their ESG rating. If you ain't progressive enough, they pull out their investments, so if the corporations stop pushing the message they'll go bankrupt.
It's all a WEF scheme for global control and a future social credit score system.
Civil rights don't mean what people think they mean. People incorrectly assume they're applied evenly.
I imagine those laws don't apply to movies, cause there's good reason why they wouldn't. Naturally, for example, if you're making a biopic, you'd want the actor playing the subject of the film to look like the person in question. In a historical film like All Quiet on the Western Front, you're not gonna hire a bunch of black actors to play the German soldiers.
What a bunch of sags!
I think it was fantastic of Critical Drinker to take time away from his preparations to take on his new role as First Minister of Scotland to sit down and have a chat with you Chris. Always great to listen to the both of you share your insight and opinions about the movies and their effect on our culture for good and bad. Keep up the awesome work!
No, wokeness is a path not a destination. It never ends until it collapses in on it self.
Well said, sir.
This is it.
Leftists, socialists and wokists have a characteristic behaviour, where they continue to repeat the same over and over again never realising what they do is not working, because, they never reflect, never 5hink and do not care about results
Wokeness is a highway to hell.
Looks like it turns into a circular firing squad.
Make no mistake, the wokeness and DEI movement within Hollywood is something that is here to stay until something counter to the madness comes in and removes it. What we have seen in Hollywood over the past few years is a doubling and tripling down of unpopular tropes and stories that actually uses fan “outrage” to justify the most creatively bankrupt period of entertainment I have seen in my lifetime.
Streaming services and the death of physical media is aggravating this as well. Failed products cannot survive when the income stream is the customer paying for it directly.
It makes perfect sense, the studio's will NEVER change, because EVERYTHING has become Identity Politics and more evil
stuff, ALL big companies are doing the Identity Politics and more, almost everything has become that, and just as the banks,
the big studio's if they would go (almost) bankrupt, the government or so will save them, just as the banks, and GM, and Aircraft Companies during 2020/2022, and other huge companies that went bankrupt.
They are doing this BS Identity Politics, and propaganda/brainwashing 30+ years now, and it all begins in Public Schools,
and Radio, and TV, and Internet, and more.
If you tell a lie long enough and repeat it often enough, people ARE going to believe it, and people believe a big lie faster
then a smal lie.
Yeah and when movies flop it’s because the audience is racist, sexist, homophobic etc. it’s never their fault
Not necessarily, it does not matter how woke it gets and how much movies must have social progression for box ticking and attracting investors.
There will be a collapsable point, as woke is a path not a destination.
The one way to see the end, there will be a time, where the fiscal and monetary losses are just too great, Disney May even go bankrupt (can’t see that happening) - people, companies and investors will no longer invest if there is no money to be made, I see the beginning of the end here, Disney is now losing money more than its making, this is a ticking time bomb, a bubble like 2008…it will pop…we just don’t know when
@@dawseyboy1 Lehman Brothers(4th largest investment bank in US, operated for 158 years until it collapsed in 2008) didn't they could go bankrupt either. Markets have a way of reminding ideology that the former is enforced through physical reality and the latter is not.
It’s cool to hear The Drinker not in his usual sarcastic voice. He seems like a very smart and articulate dude. Props to him and his channel.
He’s brilliant
His second channel is often like this too
The constant saying of "like" drives me nuts. His scripted videos doesn't have that as much or at all.
I agree
I find him articulate in all occasions honestly, whatever the amount of sarcasm.
Get woke, go broke was never going to be a sustainable business model.
Wow, I ve NEVER heard that pun before
ESG
If there is a legitimate demand for "non-woke" media, whatever that even means, then a supplier will rise up to fill that demand. That is how free market capitalism works...
@@vanadyan1674 You are assuming there is a free market.
Activist groups force advertisers and investors to boycott non-woke TV and film all the time, while woke content benefits from ESG subsidies.
Most worryingly, a controversial Shia Muslim film in the UK was removed from circulation after Sunni Muslim protesters threatened cinema staff at the screen venues. Hardly a "free market".
@dr right wing It's an adage, not a pun. Unfortunately, it's not especially true.
Considering the past couple years has brought us movies like Dog, Top Gun: Maverick, The Green Knight, Avatar: The Way of Water, The Whale, Dune: Part One, Spiderman: No Way Home, Everything Everywhere All At Once, The Batman, Thirteen Lives, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Jesus Revolution, I think they’re still making movies people want to see
The Northman but it didn't make a lot of money at the box office.
Jesus Revolution was absolutely wonderful. As was Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist.
@@tonatiuhnino3711 The Northman was so good and based; that’s a movie that will be timeless unlike the mountains of slop Hollywood produces nowadays. A24 is the only studio who isn’t a whole garbage fire so being under that and being directed by Eggers definitely saved that movie. It’s gonna be a cult classic for a lot of people in a decade or so, mark my words.
I'd say it's 69 percent Hollywood, 31 percent the Internet poking the ugly.
@Cam Galloway Name 12 more....
Once you lose an audience it takes a long, long time to get them back. Once you lose trust, you never get it back.
Yep. The media want my trust back, but they lost my trust in 2016. Now I utterly despise them, I don't want to trust them anymore, I want the mainstream media to die.
Another significant issue is that many of these studios are financially wrapped up with OTHER corporations in other sectors, so the woke entertainment can be subsidized by PROPER businesses that aren't presenting themselves as woke.
Yes, Blackrock and the like. They can use hollywoke for massive money laundering and spreading 'the message'.
Love the episode, but I do need to correct you on one point.
On Jan. 20, 1944, Secretary of War Henry Stimson announced the reinstatement of the draft for all Nisei men. Young Japanese American men were now considered loyal enough for compulsory military service. These draftees from the detention camps subsequently fought in some of the bloodiest battles in Europe.
Many of these solders received high honors for bravery and courage.
propaganda for the most part
@@Jack-cr6iw How is it propaganda to serve your country in WW2?
@@Jack-cr6iw rubbish they earned more medals per head than any army unit except the marines FACT
Don't let fact overtake your feelings.
The problem that happened was Hollywood swung too far to one side, the perceived issues weren't invalid, but their answer to limited diversity, inclusivity, gender, sexuality, etc. was to overcompensate and it turned off even the communities they were trying to appeal to. Nobody is denying that the world we live has people of all different shapes, sizes, colours and creeds, but it needs to be REALISTIC: those of a minority understand they are in the "minority", but we live in a time where there is so much content to appeal to everybody, so you can seek it out in so many different forms, so why are mainstream movies and television not appealing to the masses?
Hollywood has had an identity crisis for some time, being influenced by incredibly vocal, upset and sensitive individuals that have found platforms to get what they want or deal with the consequences of going against them and using other vocal, upset and sensitive individuals to push their agenda; its unfortunate that they don't have any self awareness because at the end of the day, Hollywood is a business, its about making money and pushing one's agenda and message only turns people off.
We're probably at the top or slightly past the top of the hill. But the factor they don't get is that they have damaged the concept of celebrity itself, and with it the concept of Hollywood is severely deprecated. You can't undo that - as the proverbial cat which cannot be put back in the bag.
The lack of genuine heroes is so, so true. A couple weeks ago I was at China's big movie, "The Wandering Earth II" and it was chock full of super heroic people doing "the right thing" and self-sacrificing, from every nation, race, and sex. It was wonderful!! Tonight I'm going to India's "RRR" (for the 3rd time!) which is also chock full of manly, heroic dealings, with zero cynicism.. These films are like a paradisiacal oasis from the constant, depressing drumbeat of blame, hate, and lecturing in Hollywood.. And I notice that the theaters are showing more and more of these foreign offerings as time goes on, because they are drawing people out.. Money talks!
The woke Lord of the rings series was peak woke, the way that crashed and burned was the moment the wave finally broke and now rolls back
How did it crash and burn?
@@drrightwing4435 It came and went like a fart in the wind.
@@drrightwing4435 in every way it could. it lost money, had horrible ratings and got ridiculed how bad it was.. Amazon covering up how poorly it was doing, another good indicator of what a piece of crap it was.
@@drrightwing4435 It was not that well reviewed and though perhaps marginally profitable....critics and fans alike almost universally acknowledge ROP's surplus of cringe-worthy plot lines, acting, woke tropes, and scripting.
@@MPerfect92 same here brother, I already sat through all the Hobbit movies and had that bastardize my childhood so you couldn’t pay me to watch Rings of Power without putting a loaded gun on the table beforehand.
I've been listening to Drinker for awhile. He's spot on and sometimes eerily accurate with predictions. He's also not a biased sob about it.
You know what's ironic? It took Hollywood decades to latch onto the idea of the strong female lead character, and when they finally did, they lampshaded it so hard that they ruined it. Anime, meanwhile, has been doing that correctly for ages, and without making a big deal out of it. I'm a straight dude and some of my favorite anime characters of all time are female, but I like them because they're just plain cool, not because they're women.
I agree with you in that. There’s even trans characters in manga and anime; like Tokyo Ghoul, that were interested and enjoyable. Their stories were heartbreaking and very human and their character arch’s very entertaining. Most of the time you forgot if they were trans. Hell there’s one anime about an entire island of fist fighting lesbians that’s hilariously entertaining. It’s not woke, it’s a story and it doesn’t come with a hateful message so it’s enjoyable.
It's no mystery. The days before female heroes was the time when white Americans ran Hollywood. After the Jews took over, everything went downhill.
Hollywood's been doing it for ages too, weeb. Alien and Terminator just to name two of the majors.
RIP Hanje
Give your heart ❤
@@phattjohnson Those films were kinda outliers and generally hollywood has not be doing strong female leads, Ripley wasn't even meant to be female to begin with
I wish I was as optimistic. I think it's just going to get progressively worse. Just look at any news feed and the content being shown there - have things gotten better or worse? I think objectively it's gotten worse. Looking at Hollywood's track record, we haven't seen fits and starts where it would get bad, then better, then bad, then better. No, we've seen a steady decline generally starting around 2010, but accelerated and solidified in 2016. It won't matter really what a large percentage of the audience wants. It won't matter that studios will only break even or maybe take losses. It won't matter that, had they not inserted far left politics and the expense of story, they could have made four times as much (Star Wars sequels) and opened the way for other movies, and not cancel them because their original productions underperformed. I don't think it's going to change, because they don't care about maximizing profits and only care about pushing a far left narrative.
I honestly believe that they'd rather see Hollywood go down in flames before changing anything. I see zero indication of things changing.
I see changes in advertising. The Super Bowl ads this year are definitely less woke than years past. It takes less time to make ads than live action movies and shows. Animation takes the longest time, which is why Velma exists. Disney seems the most committed to wokeness. I think their executives are afraid of their employees. Netflix employees protested outside of their headquarters after Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer”. After Netflix execs saw the high viewership numbers, they sent a memo to employees telling them: we have a wide variety of content..don’t like that…shut up or leave.
I think video games are quicker to respond for two reasons. First, a much larger fraction of the gaming community is active on gaming specific social media compared to people who go see movies. The internet is more useful in that genre for getting accurate feedback. Second, game developers show a lot more and talk a lot more about in progress projects than movie studios. Combined with the first point they can get feedback on ideas and change the game during production if they think it will make a difference.
Just discovered your channel, and I have to say I will be watching more of your stuff.
I liked how you actually pushed the Drinker (or, Will Jordan, I didn't detect much of the Drinker in this) and pulled out the nuance of his opinions and his deeper reasons for his outlook.
Especially that last comment of "If my castmates' and my revenue percentages were on the line for something I said about one of our major market country's political picadilloes, I might find that a hard line to walk," and Jordan's straight up "Who would I rather please? And which market actually shows like it pays a better dividend and lets me keep my dignity?" was a fantastic point-counterpoint presentation.
You aren't a typical interviewer that highlights the Drinker. You seemed like you drew out Will Jordan and put him out there for guys like me who love the content but not the sarcasm and the cussing. Fascinating to watch!
America used to be a confident nation that stood for godliness and Judeo-Christian values, and was respected around the world. And that was reflected in their entertainment media. Could you imagine a Hollywood movie studio making The Ten Commandments today?
We have two Cineworld cinemas in Harlow. Both are going to close because the chain has gone bankrupt. Last time I was in one of them was to see TopGun Maverick. People cheered at the end. Sadly it came to late.
They spent a ton of money putting in new theaters in last 20 years. Oops too bad Hollywood doesn't make but a handful of great movies a year.
No matter what the subject, Drinker's comments always leave me feeling illuminated.
*Hollywood* as a whole looks to be taming it down a bit. *Disney* seems to be doubling down.
As a former Percy Jackson fan, I’m curious about how people are going to react to the new Percy Jackson trailer once they reveal all the race-swapped main characters. The author himself is responsible for the race swap and insulted his readers who are not happy with the casting since he previously promised the show to be a faithful adaptation, but it turned out to be the most aggressively race-swapped adaptation ever that makes the other live action Disney remakes look tame. Zeus, Chiron, Medusa, not even the Greek gods and monsters survived being black washed. I’d rest easy just seeing the trailer get ratioed like the Little Mermaid and Peter Pan trailers knowing that these erasures will get rejected and we may eventually get a faithful adaptation when people wake up from this madness someday.
Neil Gaiman did the same thing in defense of Netflix's 'The Sandman' oddaptation. Didn't work out too well for him either. 😆 My reaction to the Percy Jackson trailer was "They're revving up that shitty franchise again after Harry Potter already bodyslammed the fuck out of it?" Guy thought he'd reinvented the wheel by putting Greek mythology through the same old high school sausage machine studios have been grinding shitty tropes through since the Eighties. What an asshole.
Funny how Percy Jackson fans and Riordan collectively shit themselves when the original Lightning Thief movie came out simply because Annabeth had brown hair and it wasn't book accurate now she's gonna be black with black hair and their defending and making excuses for it, it's a joke
Coward authors like him and Neil gaman are repulsive. They think they’ll be spared if they virtue signal enough. But it’ll never be enough.
Why can nothing be historically accurate?
The only casting choice i like is the rated r superstar Edge
Remember, a lot of Hollywood is influenced by china as well. So if china is trying to negatively affect our culture and society, they can easily continue the wokeness in our films (especially if Hollywood is desperate for money). And even if Hollywood gets rid of wokeness, it will still suffer due to the fact people still won’t go to theaters (post Covid culture shift)
What? Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun: Maverick, Puss In Boots, The Batman, Smile, Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist, Jesus Revolution, The Chosen, Smile, Barbarian, Avatar: Way of Water, and Cocaine Bear are proof people will go to the theaters.
China is shit
Great movies are being made still just not the huge blockbusters from the biggest production companies. Just like how the best music is no longer on the radio.
I think the depressing tone of movies is how a lot of these writers and such in Hollywood feel because they aren't getting their way. Either they aren't getting to tell the stories they want to tell, or they are realizing that they are in the idealogical minority, or that they are not morally superior, or some combination thereof.
I think it's because they think "people shouldn't be having a good time when we're facing all these incredibly important issues like toxic masculinity, transphobia and structural racism." I've actually seen some of these people saying that society won't change until all of us feel like crap.
Some people say that the studios commitment to woke is just skin-deep. I hope so, because if the message is more important than the money, they'll stay this route to the bitter end.
I can confirm that it is skin-deep. How: China. The Chinese posters for Force Awakens have the black character Finn (who I think should've been the main character) shrunk down, and Disney openly stated that they support the Chinese concentration camps (unsure if they do or not, but still a di** move). They go woke in the west and racist in Asia.
The frustrating thing has been watching franchise killing, ideologically driven directors fail upward time after time. All while smack talking the fans directly.
For example….?
@@drrightwing4435 Star Wars
A franchise cannot be killed. If something bad is made, the IP still exists and others can make something good out of it. I think a more accurate term is "abusing a franchise".
I think one thing to keep in mind is who's funding these movies... if it's purely audiences, then sure, they need to worry about losing business... if it's rich people/corporations/governments just pouring tons of money into the company... then this could go on a long time.
at some point though, either they're going to have to go full socialist/communist media, and have a required hour a day where everyone is legally required by law to watch an hour of state run media, or go to jail or be fined, or people will just stop watching.
It will eventually self correct. It's happening right now in tech. Turns out, performance goals and results matter more than skin color
Disney is becoming so woke that I’m worried it they’ll find the entire executive cadre dead from drinking poison kool aid
I'm not seeing the downside to this...
@@rickspencer7998 So true.
"Triumvirate of Nonsense."
I love it! 😀
Politically correct GTA is like pitching Gulag as a spa
We've been here before, in the 70's. Post-Vietnam, post-hippy, post-Manson, post-American industrial supremacy, gas crisis, inflation, terrorism all over the place. A lot of movies then were gritty, anti-heroic, everyone dies at the end depressing. The movie stars of the era were fine actors but not the square-jawed, charismatic types of previous eras. Then the Eighties arrived. :)
The 70s movies were absolutely amazing compared to today's crap. 😂
These movements and eras come and go, just like with Haye's Code.
America is not less patriotic today than it was post 9/11 because of social engineering by Hollywood or anyone in my opinion. It has more to do with the feeling Americans have that we are tired of being manipulated and lied to by yes media, but also by the government and the institutions that have been benefiting from the peoples' love for country. Tell us the truth and you risk not getting the support you desire, but after a while no matter what the cause people will lose the trust they once had. It's that simple.
There was once a time Hollywood knew that a character didn't have to look a certain way or be a certain race to be relatable. Woke Producers have forgotten about the majority of us who don't look for representation in a characters race or gender.
Vladimir Lennon was quoted as saying that cinema was the most powerful tool available to indoctrinate the masses. In short, "woke" movies aren't going away. Not at all.
Yes but if people stop watching them it's not effective
Yes, But, Lenin and the Commies could just force it's people to watch the propagandic trash. not so much when you have to rely on voluntary paying customers to watch your awful offal garbage. (I fixes it for all you sticklers)
@@kamwalker6296 There are always going to be people who watch all kinds of trash. The real problem is that Hollywood has no competition to draw the bulk of the views; it's actually a deeply entrenched LA/California institution with a long history and state/federal support, making it difficult to compete with.
Vladimir Lennon - the Russian member of The Beatles!
I also remember when he said that Communism was bigger than Jesus.
It used to be that there was this spectrum of politics in movies you had the left and the right, but you also had this broad neutral territory where you could make a movie that had nothing to do with politics. I feel like the woke scolds have worked to destroy that neutral territory because they all have this very aggressive “if you’re not with us you’re against us” attitude. We need that neutral ground back.
There's no such thing as a movie that has nothing to do with politics, whether the filmmakers intend it or not.
nope i just won't support them is an so called actor came running up to me on fire i would not piss on them to put them out and let them burn!
@@deejaytee But there is such thing as a movie that doesn't care about being a movie and only cares about preaching. Politics in film is like a medication pill; you need to scoop it up with a tasty drink for it to go down, otherwise you choke.
@@Imperials3nate What weird, binary thinking. Movies aren't sentient, they don't "care" about anything. And the "intent" of their filmmakers is irrelevant. What only matters is the politics that they push on the world via what happens on the screen, whether or not their filmmakers intended or not.
@@deejaytee I used the noun "movie" in a metaphorical sense.
Great discussion! One correction. Asian men did fight the axis in Europe in WW2. The 442nd was a segregated Japanese American regimental combat team and it earned the most combat decorations of any unit in the war.
The most patriotic movie I saw in 2022 came from India - RRR. It is nice at least one nation's film industry can still make patriotic films.
It was also a fantastic film.
lmao. You mean the dogshit movie where the "bad guys" were so one-dimensionally evil it was a joke? Where the CGI was done by a retarded 13 year old? lol.
Hollywood is going to have drop several year’s worth of absolutely amazing movies before they’ll see a penny from me.
If good movies come out, you HAVE to support them. Otherwise they won’t make more
I really don't think we can get much worse than She-Hulk and Velma. These shows and films have reached a new meta unapologetic self awareness where they acknowledge what they produce is shit yet still continue making it like this is a South Park style parody.
The lines between satire and reality are blurred, where these creators can't see the irony behind what they create. To them its serious and they may take it seriously, but in reality what they're producing is satire.
Past the peak? Not at all..BUT, with each box office/financial failure studios suffer we are getting that much closer.
That's just great, three more years of THIS sunshine!
As a 6ft 3" 17st actor/stuntman last few years have been very strange and slow going and even when on set all the sheeples shuffling around being absolute woke creeps was cringe. I hope it changes soon as its soul destroying
Love The Drinker's videos, Hubby and I watch them all.
To paraphrase Razorfist, the axiom should be “go broke, get woke, struggle with cope, and then finally croak, and hopefully, Larry Fink gets a stroke”
Rumor I heard… lots of production is moving out of Hollywood. It’s not the center of the movie universe it once was
The 70's had similar attitude towards patriotism and you had a lot of anti-authority in movies. Even something like Smokey and the Bandit was anti-authority (although, not anti-American). Then 1980 hit and we had the US Olympic Hockey team, which the whole country got behind and it really showed a desire for national pride that got Reagan elected.
The damage has already been done. Even if the pendulum swings back and a lot of stories and characters will be retconned AGAIN that will make the idea of retconning even more acceptable. Then what's the point of reading/watching anything if it can be retconned/"updated"/given the Roald Dahl treatment etc. in the future, based on whatever craziness will be prevalent at the moment? What's the freaking point?
The comments about burying Batgirl remind me of the line from Ripley in Aliens, "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.”
The biggest question is how much can the movie industry take before their brand is damaged beyond repair when bringing out woke movie after woke movie? If there is a 3 year lead time before any kind of change is implemented then the industry must really consider shelving more movies and take a huge loss or risk destroying themselves beyond repair. Glad I am not the CEO of any of these woke studios. Disney is already no longer considered a "safe for kids" company so they are either already past the point of no return or they are almost there.
I freaking Love Critical Drinker's videos.
"ideas from three years ago" good point - never considered that!
To add on about games, Saints Row tried to take what made the series what it was, and it did so terribly that the studio shut down.
Forspoken, while a different IP, suffered the same fate; it bombed, the game's already dead, and the studio shut down.
Interesting. My problem with the hyper woke movies is that they seem to think the point of the movie is the woke messages as opposed to a compelling story. See Star Trek Discovery.
My local movie theatre has given up on matinees and only has one evening showing. They are advertising take-out popcorn and snacks.
I am a woman but I want to see more Rambo and Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, or Con Air. I loved all those macho action men growing up, I am a woman and I don't think it's toxic masculinity at all, I think it's good entertainment.
I am a woman and I agree.
When the best movie in the theatres is a story about a bear that snarfed down a kilo of cocaine, you know you’ve hit rock bottom
I can count the recent films I liked. "Ghostbusters Afterlife," "1917," "Halloween Kills," and "Halloween Ends." And I am NOT excited about the 5th "Indiana Jones" film. And as far as video games, I spend the most time with my SNES flashback.
Based video game idea lol
@@Psx806 Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 😃 I just saw "The Joker" last night. All I can say is "JACKPOT." I know better than to waste my time with "Bird of Prey" or "Ghostbusters" (2016).
Its hard to tell at this point. It takes so many years to get a movie out that changes and trends are delayed by quite a bit. But word I'm hearing out of the industry is that they're getting even worse.
Yeah, I’m not convinced the crest has passed.
Only when the bankruptcy lawyers, bank repossession agents and large numbers of pink slips for staff appear will it start to change.
That's true regarding Warner Bros. Discovery, WB and Discovery merged in 2022 and Disco people took lead in corporate functions slashing a lot of production and following Harry Potter and LOTR way. Velma release on HBO was deferred accident rather than ongoing trend.
@thecriticaldrinker regarding John Cena’s public humiliation: dont forget that British PM John Major, in his haste to establish himself as Britains voice ahead of Margaret Thatchers visit ended up having to watch tanks roll through Tianamen Square again, this time at the side of leader Deng as though approving the massacre.
we are definitely in the phase of the common fan getting fed up and thats shown simply in the box office
Case in point, peter pan and WENDY. It looks horrendous, but was greenlit probably three years ago. My guess is that PP&W was originally planned for a theatrical release, but Disney knows what a stinking turd it is and have shoved it directly to Disney+
Please explain what's so bad about it? I'm curious.
@@deejaytee Meaningless race swapping of multiple characters. But the biggest issue for me is there are now girls among The Lost boys. It's a shoddy and ill-thought attempt at diversity and equality but it makes no sense and completely misses the point of the original story. The lost boys weren't portrayed as something to emulate, they were missing a female influence, particularly the quality of a mother. A role that Wendy filled for them.
It's just another souless, boring and creatively bankrupt cash grab meant to appeal to the progressive identity politics of the now, rather than faithfully retelling a classic story.
The thing is, the Chinese companies that fund 80% of the movies require certain narratives.
I think it’s hilarious how Hollywood thinks shaming people is gonna make people watch their modern movies. It’s even funnier when they think calling people racist will make people want to watch their movies and then they get shocked when they flop and lose tons of money.
I'm pissed they kicked Stallon off the new Creed movie by writing him off of it so they can do some woke crap
Cool to see my favorite interviewer talk to my favorite film reviewer. Good day!
Tom Cruise kept the Taiwanese flag on the back of Mavericks jacket
Apparently, there was pressure to remove it to placate the Chinese.
But he said no , it stays
He's the man
It's almost like the losses are covered privately.
Ok I’m going to admit it - you two are my online crushes and here you are. Together. Sigh ❤
Go Woke Go Broke. We have been saying this since the beginning.
The Drinker is one of my favs.
Listening to these two talk about the empty hope of wokeness leaving the entertainment industry along with actors being coached on what to say and not to say about communist China made me sick to my stomach while I was eating my breakfast this morning. It’s no wonder Critical Drinker here pours Jack Daniel’s on his corn flakes as a way of staying mind numbingly drunk throughout the awfulness he and the rest of us have had to endure for several years.
The Critical Drinker is wrong about this. Hollywood don't waste time in pre-production scripting their movies in advance. That is the problem.
Wouldn’t it take more time, money, and energy to go in without a script just winging it? Scraping things as you go, rewriting and shooting. Seems like that would be a bigger time and money waster.
Excellent point, this is obvious to me - they must've simply 'got rid' of all those screenwriters that went on strike over a decade ago and were never heard of again. 🧐
Problem is, they are not doing it for money.
It's actually true. Apparently, they just take a kind of 'scrapbooking' approach and cut-and-paste as they go along, which is why you so often here about 'reshoots' and 'alternate endings' (more likely just alternate takes filmed at he same time so second or third cuts can be put together) after they've been screened for test audiences. It's also likely why so many of these movies are fucking incoherent because they're being assembled on the fly, like trying to assemble a bike from memory whlie you're riding the fucking thing. It's the stupidest idea ever.
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_Captain Marvel_ might have come across as having a more sympathetic protagonist if it was told in chronological order, so the audience had a chance to get to like Carol Danvers, and then was tricked into thinking (as she does) that the Skrulls are evil space invaders and those who "rescued her" aren't cryptofascists. It still will have flaws, but it won't come across as completely unrelatable, like-me-because-I-have-a-colourful-costume-now. It would need a Hero's Journey. It would need some character arc. Something more than just a flashback of her "getting up again" because there was no time to story properly. One idea is to have Carol want to be on the frontlines, but be denied. She wants to fly jets, but is denied. She gets into flying helicopters and helps save families stranded on rooftops during a flood following a hurricane. Normal level, pre-superpower heroics set the foundation for an empathetic character. Then Annette Bening gives her an opportunity to work on her project, but before she gets to fulfil her dream of going supersonic, they get shot down by what are apparently Skrulls, when actually the Kree shot her down because Bening was helping the Skrulls develop engines that would let them escape the Kree's fascist dominion of space, and the Kree edited Carol's memory of the events to make her think the Kree were not there to help and had their gun up to shoot Jude Law's Kree villian Yon Rogg. Anyway the muddle gets sorted out in the end and everyone gets to eat cake.
The reason it's a political movement is because they want to be able to use government to prop them up. Socialist governments survive well beyond what the market would bear is because they can force society to support their failing ideology, and as a result the people suffer. In a market, if you try to do the same thing, as long as society is economically free enough, the corporations that continue down the same path as socialist governments will hopefully fail. It's why this is not only a corporate strategy but a political one from the wokesters. They want to make it so their ideology is not subject to market pressure. Hopefully as long as they are held off from being able to literally monopolize the market with their ideology, they'll simply cease to exist.
They really can't blame the pandemic now, films like Maverick made a load of money because they gave the audience what they have been missing for years now, escapism and good old fashioned entertainment, and the audience lapped it up. If you look at what is being commissioned at the moment things have changed but, as the Drinker points out, it takes 2 to 3 years before this stuff gets released.
Animation takes the longest time and advertising takes the least amount of time. That’s why the Super Bowl ads were much less woke than new animation like Velma, Lightyear, Strange World. The woke fad is dying, but it will take time to work through.
It doesn’t matter if they’re losing money in the theatres if the money rolls in through other avenues.
USA patriotism being in decline is rather due less and less mindset that USA are good guys in politcal arena. They used to be seen as heroes of the western wordl, but people realized that USA has it's flaws and own agenda for their own business
The Drinker is spot on
They're beyond peak woke... They're divine woke.
Seeing the Drinker without sunglasses is jarring.
The pressure is astronomical. We used to call it having principles.
We live in a time when I can’t foresee this effed up industry ever able to make a feel-good, we’re all in this together, neighborly and proud of our country movie again. Be selective with all this crap content!
Live this interview style series you two have.
For most of my life I was happily entertained by the Film industry, but for the last 10 years I have not gone to a Movie Theatre, nor do I watch mainstream television or Netflix. Instead I read, listen to music or watch old movies and TV shows on TH-cam. Many people would be surprised with the treasure-trove of really good entertainment on TH-cam. Recently I started re-watching old Late-Night shows such as Johnny Carson and Jay Leno. It is a shame to see this once-powerful industry self-destruct.
Thanks Chris
3:31 Wokeness is already happening in games just look at MW2 and Warzone. They removed the national flag calling cards for every nation but added all the alphabet and trans flags. And saying bad words is a massive no no now with people getting banned for swearing in a 18+ game.
Love this. Chapeau!
The Young Ones on bbc2 in the early 80s seems like the last time a mega left TV comedy was funny, lampooning their own lefty characters whilst hating Thatcher, weirdly enough, the same time 'identity' became political in the UK. Imagine Citizen Smith, now ffs! "Power to the people!", if only.
I get the Movie/TV production time lag thing of course and it's a great point, but there is still time to course correct once producers see which way the winds are blowing. That plus box office losses would seem to be the thing that stops a production mid shoot in order to re-tool stories and scripts in order to turn a production around. Perhaps that's why all the Star Wars movies are being delayed, why Indiana Jones has been re-shot a half dozen times.
Whoa its the drinker in the flesh! holy shit!