The crossover you didn't know you needed. Enjoy! Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:30 Critical Drinker’s Background 03:04 The Gap Between Rotten Tomatoes Critic & Audience Reviews 10:16 How Marvel is Patronising Women 16:56 Why Does Hollywood Hate Men So Much? 22:28 The Current Trend of Movie Remakes 29:56 Why A Stoic Man Is a Toxic Man in Hollywood 35:24 Explaining ‘Fan-baiting’ 38:46 Will the Market Show Hollywood that People Want Better Movies Again? 44:42 Why Aren’t More Films Optimistic & Positive? 51:09 Is House of the Dragon Redeeming the Game of Thrones Franchise? 55:19 What Went Wrong with Jurassic World: Dominion 58:30 The Story of Superman’s Lips 1:06:45 Rick & Morty Co-Founder’s Downfall 1:09:09 What is Critical Drinker Looking Forward To? 1:14:28 Where to Find Critical Drinker
Harvey Weinstein is not a white guy. His ilk is responsible for demonizing white males for decades before those fellow "whites" were outed as sexual deviants. I get, that you can't get into the weeds of the real problem, but don't feed us this bullshit. Almost everyone already knows at this moment in time, even if none of us can't speak openly about it, because it is all a coincidence with one particular group. (Dave Chappelle). Isn't it tiresome to speak around all of those problems, our society has, because there is this one group, we don't dare to call out for spearheading, financing, and manning all those society-ruining ideologies?
Every other race is bigoted and racist. Not only towards whites, but towards all other races. And it is encouraged and celebrated in their home culture, their home countries and in white countries, where a massive diaspora of those races reside. What do you reckon will happen, if we don't change course?
I only watched the first two, maybe three, seasons of Rick & Morty. If the later ones are already garbage, maybe for the best the show gets shelved indefinitely and resurrected years later when the show can stick to its roots of what made it good in the first place. Versus the Beavis and Butt-head revivals not even trying to be as good as it's first couple seasons which were just ridiculous. First movie was good and, had it not been for that, I would have thought a movie could never work with them.
Been wanting to say that! May have somewhere. Didn't know Tolkein did. My understanding is that the devil can't create anything. He can only twist what God creates, which is EXACTLY what's happening.
... I say that too, while re-heating tea in a microwave, powered 20% by a nuclear powerplant, taking an aspirin, and enjoying the internet, provided by sats in space launched by rockets. Why do wars progress humanity's technology so much? (although I generally *feel* like Tolkien's statement should be true)
They ruin it because the imitations they produce can only copy the outward form of the original; the creative spirit imparted by the creator to his creation cannot be transferred to those imitations. Lots of crossover with Spengler here. Those who corrupt cannot help but dedicate their efforts to ruining the nice things around them until they are not longer able to sustain themselves.
I grew up on the "Believe in yourself" message thanks to shows like Naruto or movies like the Lion King. But the message there was SO much more nuanced; when Naruto says "Believe it", he's talking about trusting in HARD WORK to eventually bear fruit, even if it doesn't always immediately. And when Rafiki/Mufasa reminds Simba to "Remember who you are", that's a admonition as well as encouragement to remember the responsibility he has a king to his people, as a son to his father, and as a protector to the land. She-Hulk, Dr. Strange, Velma lack any of that nuance, and that's why I can't get behind it.
belief in oneself is belief that one can overcome adversity and challenge and succeed. versus what we have with she hulk, dr strange 2, wandavision, velma, where it's an undeserved god complex instead.
@@raifthemad Which makes it even more awesome that out of all the characters, he was the one that went bare fist against Gaara where everyone else would have cowered in fear. That just shows that, even when Lee was at a MAJOR disadvantage to a guy who couldn't be harmed and had strong versatility in combat, Lee was willing to go head first into adversity regardless if he would come out incredibly scathed.
But the notion that you have nothing to learn, that you are fabulous as you are is just the philosophy by which some young people today do indeed live their lives. Also, the Hollywood Wokerati would believe wholeheartedly that a film produced by an ethnically diverse crew MUST obviously be better. To think anything else is heresy.
Drinker is SO right about our need to see characters struggle and grow (vs. those who are “perfect” and just need to “believe in themselves”). Showing us that we CAN do hard things is one of the primary purposes of stories
It's not really about showing us as it is laying out what we already know to be true in a theatrical manner. Modern movies don't just give us bad morals or principals; they generally give us transparent lies presented as truth. This is why people with even a shred of intellectual honesty recoil from them in a very negative way. It really isn't the race swapping; it is the broken fraudulent ideology that is it's impetus that we readily identify whether we can articulate it or not.
I think stoicism is thought of as pushing your emotions down an never sharing them, but it really is just knowing the appropriate time and way to express them.
This discussion makes me want to watch "Inside Out" again. I think it was one of the last great movies. The message in it that all feelings are needed ; not just joy, but anger and fear and disgust and sadness. And actually it's only in admitting our struggles and sharing that we are sad, that we can attract help and compassion.
@@RandomWandrerWhenever times get tough. I watch Gladiator. Maximus in that movie is my role model. I try to be as much like Maximus as i possibly can.
Stoicism is the state of mind that comes with enlightenment, or simply knowledge. "My enemy wants me destroyed". A stoic would have said, you would have done the same if you were in his shoes. It comes with understanding reality inside out. The emotions are there but it's not aggravated than necessary. With stoicism you become more involved but more detached. You become more objective.
“Most viewers are not left wing; they’re not right wing” - so true. We go to the movies for an escape, for an enjoyable, well-crafted story; not a lecture. Also, well-crafted characters that we can be inspired by or relate to. Love the argument about the need for characters to grow through hardships and improve.
And you can see that near desperate attempts to convert the apolitical to a faction. That used to be the one good thing about propaganda, is that it was free. Now they want you to pay $14 per ticket to be indoctrinated. It is fine for a story to have a theme, "love conquers all" "a true team can beat a group of individuals" "being brave means getting the job done even when you are afraid", etc. But those are are principals and concepts that aren't focused on who gets into office during the next election.
This was so spot on. 90% of people are in the middle and may lean one way or another but it's just not a big part of our lives. But these days everything is so extreme on both sides! People are just tuning out.
@@kevinmccabe7263 As a liberal with overview thinking (aware of how others view our cause), I just feel pain at how toxic it's become. At the end of the day, while political subtext is a nice bonus, I really just want to see characters grow and change in compelling ways.
@@Imperials3nate I'm liberal too and I'm fed up with all this "woke" shit and how toxic it is. It's pretty bad when other progressives (many of whom don't seem to actually understand their own supposed beliefs) are acting in such an obnoxious way that I'm currently making common cause with people I know have views in other areas that are so antithetical to mine. I don't care anymore; I just want the entertainment I used to enjoy to be entertaining again.
I love that you guys brought up Mulan. She was my favorite Disney princess (even though she’s technically not a princess) and mind you im a Mexican girl her race wasn’t relevant at all cause when you’re a kid you only see the parts that matter and I wanted to be like her work hard and improve my own skills and then I watched the live action and I actually hate it I don’t hate a lot of things but what they did to mulan was unforgivable lol
I grew up on dragon ball and even though I wasn't Asian I too wanted to be dropped on my head as a baby, never know my dad, punch people who were a different color than me, never have a job, be a monkey, and abandon my children. Damn, now that I think about it, Goku might have been black.
@Jarrod Graham Thats a good point and I hate when movies do that. It’s insulting to women when they portray these characters to just magically be perfect cause we’re human and we make mistakes and work hard to learn things.
Mulan is my favourite Disney character period and im a 28 year old man. Having the courage and will to act on it like she does is something I aspire to.
YUP. also a woman who loved Mulan growing up. they fucked that remake up SO BADLY. I've never seen a story I've held so dear have the main message just ripped to shreds like that... instead of the lesson to women that you should work hard/clever and you can do whatever a man can do, maybe even can do it better... they instead changed it to "well... you can be better than a man if you are born with magical powers"... how THE FUCK is this a good message for normal women? modern Hollywood is so daft.
I think your missing the point. You probably need to go deeper under the hood and look at the term "consequentialism". What is bad? What is evil?. In these radicalist eyes the only way to judge evil is looking at the outcome. ---> if burning stuff leads to getting noticed and instilling fear in the oppresors then this is good. So in movies if knocking down the male character is good for enboldening the female character then so be it. Theyre surrounded by too many ppl who have this mantra, femanist, race hustlers, LGBT who all talk about oppresion, patriarchy, systemic issues. I just watched vaush v jordan peterson fan. Vaush literally called all conservatives KKK. Thats what u up agsinst?
@@ANonymous-mo6xp they're just firing the people who point out their failures, because if they don't it might be them on the chopping block Hollywood's biggest problem is it's full of executives like Kathleen Kennedy, who didn't earn their positions on merit, they got them handed to them for PR purposes. Which means they can't allow people with more ability than them anywhere near a decision making position because it may expose their own inadequacy to the board of directors. Meaning they continue to surround themselves with the same idiots with the same ideas who have painted themselves into the same corner with no other option but to just power through and pray.
I am a moderate left leaning person and the messaging from modern movies isn't just terrible it's terminal. I'm in Cali and most liberal homes are getting these things out of the house. Specifically I've been told they don't want their sons or daughters thinking this is how you deal with problems or adversity. Disney is in trouble when they lose liberals.
It's the culture of critique from the Frankfurt school like Herbert Marcus weaponized to undermine the West. It didn't start with Hollywood. Hollywood has become rhe Ministry of Propaganda for the neoliberal globalist elites.
Will jordan is so well rounded. Seems like part philsopher, theologian, social commentator, comedian, and good story teller. Every commentary on critical drinker (I've watched a handful) is on point and hilarious.
I'm a very liberal retired college professor who would be cancelled in three seconds nowadays. For thirty years I fought a rearguard action against political correctness in the name of challenging, well-written literature by dead white males (and I'm female--I'd love it if women had gotten to write over the centuries, but they didn't, so hey, you work with what there is). The Drinker's take on modern woke shit is actually tame compared to the reality of what goes on in classrooms. I find it totally frightening that this sludge has spilled off campus into popular culture and poisoned it all.
not to trigger any P.T.S.D. What was your reply when challenged on the value of the literature outside of it being all we got? It leads to the argument that only dead white men thought it of any worth.Why should I? Is this another way of saying because I said so? I'm just curious, my thinking is that these writers captured something of the human condition in their stories and told their stories in meaningful way. Thanks.
_"I'd love it if women had gotten to write over the centuries, but they didn't"_ There's a statement which needs a hefty dose of clarification, given the vast amount of published writing by women over the past few centuries.
@@chipcook5346 "Published" was indeed my choice of word, bearing in mind how many of the most famous writers in many different cultures have been women, from Murasaki Shikibu to J.K. Whose Name May Not Be Spoken.
Top Gun Maverick was the first film in about 5 years which I went to the cinema to see and then went and purchased the Blu-Ray. I will gladly give my money to good films, never to ones that want to push 'the message'.
Let's hope he gets a career making movies, as he will fall into irrelevance if Hollywood fixes itself. It's the only reason he's big. He's a good writer I'll admit
Very interesting episode. One aspect you guys didn't touch upon is that cinema became so dominated by directors and studio producers that the writers fled to television where they're more respected and in control. At the end of the day the script matters. Mad Men and Breaking Bad (with due respect to predecessors like The Wire and Sopranos) really set off this trend and now almost all of the best storytelling isn't in movie theaters but on TV.
The Wire is a great example of Drinker's point about writers with real experiences. It was based on a book I believe cowritten by a guy who was a police officer who was there when/where that stuff was happening, on whom the main character is largely based, and a journalist who covered those same events from the other side, which you see highlighted in the last season. It was super grounded for this reason.
@@DavidSmith-mt7tb David Simon actually wrote the book (with Ed Burns) utilizing his decade-plus experience covering the crime beat for the Baltimore Sun and later adapted it himself. But yes, details aside, that's why it rings true and is so good.
there's more breadth in storytelling when you can tell the story over a series of 8-10 hour long episodes, rather than condensing it down into a 2.5 hour cinematic piece.
I honestly thought this was a critical drinker video and then realized it was a Williamson podcast I would have clicked on either but happy with the combo. Both of you have brought peace to my mind because I realize I'm not alone in this crazy universe. Keep it up fellas
One of my favourite training montages is Mulan. She starts weak and awful, but so does everyone. But with time, effort and heart, they become a good fighting force, and Mulan retrieved the arrow but it made sense.
And it made sense that she thought outside of the box with that arrow retrieval, because her military father’s knowledge rubbed off on her. It was within character!
At 5:10, what is also missing is that sometimes studios launch films they don't want to be successful. Treasure Planet is a great example of this. Two pioneers of Disney animation made a ton of huge-grossing classic films in exchange for the rights to make one single movie they wanted to make: Treasure Planet. Disney intentionally made it unprofitable and told the two visionaries to go back to the trough if they wanted to earn a living.
Henry Cavil, is probably one of if not the best actor of the current times. One of the best parts, is that he keeps what should be private, private. He doesn't talk about politics, doesn't really mention relationships or anything that really requires taking a stance. He does him. He has passions which he enjoys mentioning (and keeps the topics at arms reach, so that its not so personal). He respects the creators, and tries his best to be as accurate to their art as he can (often only limited by studios). So, far as much as I can tell, even when a film of his fails, it's not his fault. He gave us everything. It's usually the director, the writers or the studios that have made the choices that cause the failures.
How many of Henry Cavill's films have even been commercial successes? Nevermind critical... I'm not saying the man isnt a great performer but by most metrics Cavill is not 'the best actor of the current times'. Having passions and not stating political opinions doesnt really enter into it.
@@ChefofWar33 But the last Mission Impossible barely broken even at the box office... and Cavill wasn't in a film last year... how are they carrying the film industry? Being professional isnt the same as being popular
@@terminatrix92 the issue there is, how much of it is his fault? Everything he puts himself into, seems that he is one of the best parts. It usually falls apart because of the writing, directors/producers or other actors. He himself, though. Excellent and fun to watch. At most, Id agree that maybe when he does choose a show or movie, he doesnt always pick the right ones. Because he just lets himself enter shit-shows. Justice League, he was one of the best parts. Mission Impossible he was also great. The Witcher, he was awesome. (Though I will admit, I havent watch to many of his earlier things, but thats partially because I dont like shows/movies that have the "romantic/romance" tag to it.
@@tokenhempshire but your original comment said: “Cavill is one of if not the best actors”. But your argument is just that he has good screen presence like a Tom Cruise. But Tom Cruise has shown range, taken on art films, comedies and weird acting choices. Henry Cavill has done good action but can’t transform himself other than wearing a white wig or having a moustache… he doesn’t disappear into characters, he can play gruff or suave but that’s pretty much it. I’d like to be proven wrong but these guys aren’t Gary Oldman!
I'm a young adult, wasn't really interested in Anime until after High School. Japan is just absolutely better at story telling right now, most mainstream anime in Japan is fairly digestible for a Western audience and its entertaining and tells good stories. Most male and female characters are fantastic and come across as real while offering some sort of heroism. I support any artist I can in the medium, because I want them to know THIS is what I want to watch.
Anime has men being tossed around by women all the time. It depicts lack of respect and completely feminine men. I used to like anime until that became the main theme. Japan went from Samurai to Anime.
@@PackaGameSuper humans that have magical powers with crazy power scaling is a different story. It’s fantasy it doesn’t implicitly try to say that women are stronger than men at all
I love assassination classroom, and this is my model for teaching. I love it’s message that everyone can improve, learn from the past and level up. Feminists will never understand this imperative
As someone who was in Austin for that freeze storm, that was a very accurate portray of that bizarre week. For a couple of days you'd just hear weird scratching combined with thud sounds. Sometimes it was your roof. Sometimes the neighbors. And then afterwards when you drove around town it was like being in a bad M. Night film where the trees started to attack the city. There were just branches and snapped trees everywhere.
@@buzzcrushtrendkill I’ve been here since 1988. We get a freeze every year, but this was a different type of freeze and led to far more tree damage than normal.
I had been playing Satisfactory and the neighborhood near me still have front lawns that look like biomass filled conveyor belts. The number of branches attached to trees are extremely thin.
Thank you so much Chris for inviting the incomparable Will Jordan (aka The Critical Drinker) on your podcast! Mr. Jordan's ability to use movies and TV shows as vehicles to distill some interesting insights about the trajectory our culture is headed is just top notch. The fact that he does this with unrivaled eloquence and also imbues his critique with so much humor and plain language so as to avoid trespassing into esoteric territory, makes him the common man's philosopher - sort of like a contemporary Socrates whose discursive tool is popular entertainment . The Critical Drinker is the antidote to the woke culture that has infected our entertainment landscape.
If you're an up and coming video game studio and you want a perfect example of how NOT to run a PR/Advertising department look no further than EA/Dice for BF5. Dice: "If you don't like it then just don't buy it" Fans: "Ok." Sales: ↘️
And this is why I love TH-cam!! One of my favourite podcasters chatting to my favourite movie critic. I've followed both for aaaaaages, and this is gold. Thank you.
I have seen a couple interviews of the Drinker and they are very interesting. He provides great insight into the state of entertainment today. Well done to the interviewer as well.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Mauler on here. Guy is very eloquent and entertaining. And to go with the theme of “the long man” the interview should be at least 6 hours long.
I grew up on watching masculine rolemodels in movies, my father wasnt around much. what i know i learned from observing movies and my friends and their families. luckily i have a mother that tried her best and many good friends with parents that took really good care of me. seeing this trend in the entertainment industries makes me feel bad for the young boys today, and the increasing fatherlessnes
I started watching CD right at the beginning of his youtube career, and it is just plain wholesome and awesome to see him on this show. Well done sir, well done!
another thing I noticed is that (except for the few rare occasions) there are no more villains, in the sense of being evil for selfish intentions, modern villains are just a victim who didn't learn a lesson, their not fun, their boring, and their twisted ideas and beliefs are twisted into "it's not their fault, they're not really a bad guy" and if they are an evil for evil's sake villain they're usually a Nazi or another form of bigot not only are our heroes butchered but so are our villains, cause heaven forbid a minority is cast as a fun villain
If there’s a villain portrayed as a villain just for being a bad person and nothing else it’s always just a bland white guy these days lol. If it’s not, it’s like you said he did bad thing because he didn’t learn a lesson or he did bad things because he was trying to save the plant or some nonsense 😂
Watching this has made me realize why I find myself gravitating toward anime shows. I’m craving heros, hardship, and character development. I’d rather watch cartoons that are sometimes 20 years old Vs. modern television and movies. Pretty nuts lol.
@jarrodgraham2408 it's impossible to anime get woke, because in their roots, anime shows are just 23 minute toy commercials*, there's a lot of merchandising around it, they can't risk lose money just for some internet points from people who didn't consume their products in the first place. *Yes, they have stories crafted, characters well written, yada yada, but they also have to sell merchandise and stuff.
@@GeovaneSanciniSRwhat anime do you watch? Yea some of the best aren’t woke but many have weak feminine men getting tossed around and battered by women who consider them disgusting. There’s a massive following of pussy men putting women who mistreat them on golden pedestals. I’d gander there is plenty of wokeness in anime.
A good hero's story is to overcome internal and external obstacles and achieve something great. A toxically feminine "heroine's" story is that everyone else was just putting you down and you were amazing and capable the whole time. You see how in one, the obstacles are overcome through struggle and sacrifice, and in the other, the problems are simply deleted or ignored. One comes from a place of self-betterment and one comes from a place of narcissism. It's like modern films are all just a deluded female power fantasy; the heroine is extraordinarily powerful and the antagonists (usually men) are all stupid, incompetent and jealous. And the slay queen just has to believe in herself and everything will work out okay. Not only is it chronically patronising and insulting, but it's also overwhelmingly *boring* .
I think one of the best comments on Hollywood I've heard, has to be from one of the Warner Brothers back in the 40s or 50s. The phrase was *"If the critics love it and the audience love it, it's a good film. If the critics hate it and the audience love it, it's a good film. If critics love it and the audience hate it, it's a bad film."*
Have a coworker that is an actor. I asked the other day what roles he gets most often. (White male) responds “usually a rapist or the bad guy”. I froze, cause it occurred to me what is happening when they cast him constantly in that role. It is sad, cause he is one of those individuals, who I believe, follows all the bs about all men being evil. Not the greatest time for us a people period
22:20 I actually stopped to think when he said that your favorite movies of all time are probably 20 years old. HE's RIGHT! The closes I could come was The Last Samurai from 2003, and Man On Fire from 2004. Everything else I could come up with is older. I could not come up with one great movie younger than those.
I love it, a Scotsman talking and laughing with an Englishman! Yes, people need to realize that the banter between the Scots and the English is real and can be really fun. This conversation was great, probably one of the best and very important. keep up the good work!
@@ericjohnson7234 Spot on, and well said! I totally agree and Europeans will need to ban together in order to save themselves. So naturally its nice to see two bachelors, a Scotsman and an Englishman bantering and talking about the movies and so on.
The Drinker has his own “Open Bar” podcast series that you’d probably also enjoy! I’ve been binge watching my way through the 52 episodes of it so far (they’re released weekly) instead of watching any new Hollywood garbage firsthand myself
I remember seeing fan baiting with the Obi-Wan show. Disney asked outlets to write articles about all the hate an African American character was receiving online who nobody knew about. Outrage was the first topic about the show. No wonder Disney is falling apart.
@@moonknight4053 I often look to Australian, New Zealand, British and Irish films from small or independent studios, as tend to be more focused on story and spectacle or ideology
@@DanKnowlson Yeah that’s what I was tryna say bro haha, it’s always about the story…. And the people in it. You gotta give ur characters personality and the ten they live in personality is well. Antman 3 had none of that Australian told stories are really gud, they make awesome films over there bruv
I'm still enthusiastically buying DVDs at bargain prices whenever I can. It's partly because TV is so often crap (despite my having lots of channels) but increasingly it's seeing the censorship cancel culture mentality of the corporations and realising that the corporations (and their tame politicians) might censor or withdraw movies you love. There is currently a controversy over a publisher having Roald Dahl books re-written by 'sensitivity readers'. It's only a small step from there to withdrawing the originals from sale - and you've 'memory-holed' brilliant literature of the past. If your only way to access your movies is streaming from the corporations you are completely in the power of people who've demonstrated they are obsessed with identity politics & virtue-signaling.
Same here. Getting the books, DVDs, even CDs. Any media that they can't "fix" with a couple of keystrokes. They've just "fixed" the Bond books. Act fast.
exactly, buy physical media. They have already removed certain episodes of community, its always sunny, and lots of others, they are rewriting literature due to sensitivity readers, then next it will be video games
I was born in the 70s. I know that every generation probably says this, but I truly believe I grew up seeing some of the greatest movies ever made. The 70s and 80s produced some of the best films ever and I'm glad to have grown up in that time period. I love that there is literal decades worth of great material to look back on and remember film and entertainment for what it used to be...pure entertainment.
All propaganda pushing an agenda shame your generation destroyed everything that came before it. And imported replacements for your kids thanks for the corrupt multicultural shithole you left us to sort out.
Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning is probably the next movie I will see in theaters. The last movie I saw in theaters was Top Gun: Maverick. I've never really been a Tom Cruise fan, but damn his movies are made to be seen in theaters. When a guy opens his movie thanking the audience for seeing his movie in theaters as it was meant to be seen, he has my support. No preaching, no lectures... Here's the movie, I hope you like it and strap in.
25:30 Hasn't the streaming services replaced the DVD sales? The thing I miss about DVDs is the behind the scenes and commentary stuff you don't get on the streaming services.
The white male profile with him being stupid and irrelevant with regards to his intelligence and character has been with us for decades. For example, Everybody Loves Raymond is a classic example and that's just one of many. We've turned a corner from poking fun to genuine hatred and labeling as evil. So if art imitates culture, well, this could trend to some very bad places.
King of the Hill had an episode where Bobby “learns” karate/self-defense and one of the moves he does is kick people in the crotch. Bobby did it to everyone and won each battle. So, Peggy takes on Bobby and he kicks her in the crotch. Her response was hilariously wonderful: “As you can see, Bobby, I don’t have testicles.” Then the Asian neighbor eggs on Bobby, “She lying!” One of the hardest laughing moments of my life.
I am a terrible Hippie woman, socialist and Old school feminist. I am NOT woke!!!!!! Feminism is not about diminishing men or any race or anybody. I just wanted to tell you, I am happy that there are still men like you!!!!!
A crossover that we never asked for, but it's so welcomed here. Thanks Chris, Critical Drinker is one of my favourite channels - I love movies generally speaking, but in the last 10 years you can count good movies on one hand. There's a crisis of creativity and polictics that drove film making to the ground... Looking forward to see good, enjoyable movies hopefully soon.
Some of the themes discussed here are exactly why Top gun 2 did so well. It didn't recast Tom as a female, it didn't make him a useless punchline that had to be humbled by some young women and it allowed him to be that old guy that could pass on his wisdom to the next generation that will save them at some point in the film. I saw it in the theatre and I clapped when the credits rolled. It was the best experience at a movie I've had in about 17 years. And I'll admit if this was 1988 I might not have put it as high because movies back then we're so much better from a storytelling perspective then they are today.
Got nothing to with themes. It's because it was an action movie where people are doing cool stuff like actually flying jet planes vs. the fake CGI spectacle we're used to. Absolutely nothing impressive about the storytelling.
@@adamgates1142this, and post lockdown it's one of the few film spectacles in this cost of living crisis, people wanted to go to the cinema to fork out to see. People want to see woke and get offended where they see it. Top gun maverick has a bad ass female pilot. Guaranteed another film which has a bad ass female pilot will be labelled "woke" just for lazy reviewing purposes
Wasn’t aware of this guy until now. Definitely subscribing and following. Spot on thoughts about film industry. I used to work in the biz myself. Movie trailers mostly.
I remember watching this guys videos when he had about 50k subscribers. So happy to see that he's had such great success. Atta boy critical drinker. Tell Tatayana I said Hello!
I remember when he had a terrible microphone and actually really sounded like he was drunk. I'm pretty sure he started the channel when he was actually drunk, which evolved into a fake persona
Great interview, Chris! I actually watched this because of the Drinker, but your interview style reeled me in and I'm now a subscriber to you as well. Thanks!
Critical Drinker's the man. I've been watching him before he took off and his takes are on-point 99.9% of the time, and despite the artifice, it's told in such an earnest, hilarious fashion, it's refreshing to me. Good on you, CD.
Hollywood has distorted my idea of what trauma "should be like" so much, that for the longest time I dismissed very serious mental health problem because of how differently they are depicted in most media
Loved Drinker for a long time now, which bled into me really enjoying Will Jordan's work with Ryan Drake, which is right around the time I also found Modern Wisdom. I think it's safe to say we're on the right track boys.
A problem with modern action and adventure movies is also that they are so LONG. They take too long to end, too many useless twists, it's tiring, boring, endless... why on earth do they complicate things so much? Those movies become a real pain to watch.
Good point. Funny how the Americans in particular always used to see themselves as the underdog, despite being by far the most powerful nation in the world. But I guess we in ‘feisty little’ Britain have been doing much the same despite being the world’s major naval power until 1941.
What an amazing conversation. I normally hate long video conversations, but this one just flew by and I loved every minute. And the questions asked were very intriguing & extremely on point. Well done and thanks. :)
So funny that the movie Bros was mentioned here, I’ve seen several lists recently about “box office flops that will become cult classics” and bros is on EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
The crossover you didn't know you needed. Enjoy! Here's the timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:30 Critical Drinker’s Background
03:04 The Gap Between Rotten Tomatoes Critic & Audience Reviews
10:16 How Marvel is Patronising Women
16:56 Why Does Hollywood Hate Men So Much?
22:28 The Current Trend of Movie Remakes
29:56 Why A Stoic Man Is a Toxic Man in Hollywood
35:24 Explaining ‘Fan-baiting’
38:46 Will the Market Show Hollywood that People Want Better Movies Again?
44:42 Why Aren’t More Films Optimistic & Positive?
51:09 Is House of the Dragon Redeeming the Game of Thrones Franchise?
55:19 What Went Wrong with Jurassic World: Dominion
58:30 The Story of Superman’s Lips
1:06:45 Rick & Morty Co-Founder’s Downfall
1:09:09 What is Critical Drinker Looking Forward To?
1:14:28 Where to Find Critical Drinker
Harvey Weinstein is not a white guy. His ilk is responsible for demonizing white males for decades before those fellow "whites" were outed as sexual deviants. I get, that you can't get into the weeds of the real problem, but don't feed us this bullshit. Almost everyone already knows at this moment in time, even if none of us can't speak openly about it, because it is all a coincidence with one particular group. (Dave Chappelle). Isn't it tiresome to speak around all of those problems, our society has, because there is this one group, we don't dare to call out for spearheading, financing, and manning all those society-ruining ideologies?
Every other race is bigoted and racist. Not only towards whites, but towards all other races. And it is encouraged and celebrated in their home culture, their home countries and in white countries, where a massive diaspora of those races reside. What do you reckon will happen, if we don't change course?
_The crossover you didn't know you needed._
Indeed! I'm following both of you for a long time and finding this caused a short circuit in my brain...
Thank you for recommending Severance, Drinker's been sleepin on that one
I only watched the first two, maybe three, seasons of Rick & Morty. If the later ones are already garbage, maybe for the best the show gets shelved indefinitely and resurrected years later when the show can stick to its roots of what made it good in the first place. Versus the Beavis and Butt-head revivals not even trying to be as good as it's first couple seasons which were just ridiculous. First movie was good and, had it not been for that, I would have thought a movie could never work with them.
I can't believe my eyes. My favourite movie critic on my favourite podcast. What a saturday. Well done, Chris!
I thought the exact same thing
Yeah, two of my favorites too.
Same here! This is amazing!
What a crossover
Same!🎉
This is not an episode I expected to see but this is a killer crossover
Why is that?
@ChristopherHayles ah ok, wasn't hating, just curious. I liked it as well. 🤙🏻
I only found the critical drinker recently.
yup
Tim Hardaway approves
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - Tolkien !
The United States of America was land taken from natives and worked by slaves.
Been wanting to say that! May have somewhere. Didn't know Tolkein did. My understanding is that the devil can't create anything. He can only twist what God creates, which is EXACTLY what's happening.
... I say that too, while re-heating tea in a microwave, powered 20% by a nuclear powerplant, taking an aspirin, and enjoying the internet, provided by sats in space launched by rockets.
Why do wars progress humanity's technology so much? (although I generally *feel* like Tolkien's statement should be true)
@@foxtrotunit1269 Were those technologies created FOR war? I don't think they originally were.
They ruin it because the imitations they produce can only copy the outward form of the original; the creative spirit imparted by the creator to his creation cannot be transferred to those imitations.
Lots of crossover with Spengler here. Those who corrupt cannot help but dedicate their efforts to ruining the nice things around them until they are not longer able to sustain themselves.
I grew up on the "Believe in yourself" message thanks to shows like Naruto or movies like the Lion King. But the message there was SO much more nuanced; when Naruto says "Believe it", he's talking about trusting in HARD WORK to eventually bear fruit, even if it doesn't always immediately. And when Rafiki/Mufasa reminds Simba to "Remember who you are", that's a admonition as well as encouragement to remember the responsibility he has a king to his people, as a son to his father, and as a protector to the land.
She-Hulk, Dr. Strange, Velma lack any of that nuance, and that's why I can't get behind it.
belief in oneself is belief that one can overcome adversity and challenge and succeed.
versus what we have with she hulk, dr strange 2, wandavision, velma, where it's an undeserved god complex instead.
Well said 👍
@@raifthemad I just realized how privelged many characters in naruto are lol.
@@jacobmatthews7524 well said.
@@raifthemad Which makes it even more awesome that out of all the characters, he was the one that went bare fist against Gaara where everyone else would have cowered in fear. That just shows that, even when Lee was at a MAJOR disadvantage to a guy who couldn't be harmed and had strong versatility in combat, Lee was willing to go head first into adversity regardless if he would come out incredibly scathed.
My worlds are colliding!!! You both are on my top tier of channels I follow the most. Thank you so much
That’s what I’m saying
It's like the algorithm gods have converged.
@@JudeMichaelPeterson this ain't the AI's...this be HUMAN genius at play! Yessir! It were an human what done it!
A sort of natural alliance is happening between mainstream dissenters, it's coming about rather faster now.
But the notion that you have nothing to learn, that you are fabulous as you are is just the philosophy by which some young people today do indeed live their lives.
Also, the Hollywood Wokerati would believe wholeheartedly that a film produced by an ethnically diverse crew MUST obviously be better. To think anything else is heresy.
Miles Teller and Tom Cruise in Top Gunn were two great masculine characters and people ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT
Drinker is SO right about our need to see characters struggle and grow (vs. those who are “perfect” and just need to “believe in themselves”). Showing us that we CAN do hard things is one of the primary purposes of stories
It's not really about showing us as it is laying out what we already know to be true in a theatrical manner.
Modern movies don't just give us bad morals or principals; they generally give us transparent lies presented as truth. This is why people with even a shred of intellectual honesty recoil from them in a very negative way. It really isn't the race swapping; it is the broken fraudulent ideology that is it's impetus that we readily identify whether we can articulate it or not.
Exactly. If there was a character that seemed "Perfect" there job is to help other characters grow or see a change in the world. Private Doss.
" *Showing us that we CAN* "
What would you do, if you hypothetically wanted to tell people that they can't?
Modern movies suck by why do you have to make it about "white men".
100% watching people's struggle to overcome is inspiring and what story has been for almost eternity.
He seems like such a reasonable, down to earth dude lol. The drinker truly is a character
He sounded actually drunk when he started to be honest. I think he was getting sloshed and then ranting
@@chrispekel5709 Amazing how a "ranting drunk guy" knows more about what movies people want than Hollywood. 🤣
"Go away now!"
check out his appearance on Triggernometry if you want more, he's great
Yeah, check out his living-room, that beatup recliner says it all. Zero pretense
I think stoicism is thought of as pushing your emotions down an never sharing them, but it really is just knowing the appropriate time and way to express them.
Very true. Keeping an even keel so you can better deal with the lows and enjoys highs more.
This discussion makes me want to watch "Inside Out" again. I think it was one of the last great movies. The message in it that all feelings are needed ; not just joy, but anger and fear and disgust and sadness. And actually it's only in admitting our struggles and sharing that we are sad, that we can attract help and compassion.
@@RandomWandrerWhenever times get tough. I watch Gladiator. Maximus in that movie is my role model. I try to be as much like Maximus as i possibly can.
Basically, yeah. It's knowing how to keep a lid on your emotions so you can let them out when necessary and appropriate.
Stoicism is the state of mind that comes with enlightenment, or simply knowledge. "My enemy wants me destroyed". A stoic would have said, you would have done the same if you were in his shoes. It comes with understanding reality inside out. The emotions are there but it's not aggravated than necessary. With stoicism you become more involved but more detached. You become more objective.
What I like most about this is that two guys in their early 30s filming in their living rooms make more sense than most official media outlets...
FACTS
drinker's about to turn 40
always been like this
YESSSS
Chris is 36, and Critical Drinker is almost 41 if not already.
“Most viewers are not left wing; they’re not right wing” - so true. We go to the movies for an escape, for an enjoyable, well-crafted story; not a lecture. Also, well-crafted characters that we can be inspired by or relate to. Love the argument about the need for characters to grow through hardships and improve.
And you can see that near desperate attempts to convert the apolitical to a faction. That used to be the one good thing about propaganda, is that it was free. Now they want you to pay $14 per ticket to be indoctrinated. It is fine for a story to have a theme, "love conquers all" "a true team can beat a group of individuals" "being brave means getting the job done even when you are afraid", etc. But those are are principals and concepts that aren't focused on who gets into office during the next election.
but EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL ! (obviously it is, from a certain angle, but that's just as obviously not the only lens)
This was so spot on. 90% of people are in the middle and may lean one way or another but it's just not a big part of our lives. But these days everything is so extreme on both sides! People are just tuning out.
@@kevinmccabe7263 As a liberal with overview thinking (aware of how others view our cause), I just feel pain at how toxic it's become. At the end of the day, while political subtext is a nice bonus, I really just want to see characters grow and change in compelling ways.
@@Imperials3nate I'm liberal too and I'm fed up with all this "woke" shit and how toxic it is. It's pretty bad when other progressives (many of whom don't seem to actually understand their own supposed beliefs) are acting in such an obnoxious way that I'm currently making common cause with people I know have views in other areas that are so antithetical to mine. I don't care anymore; I just want the entertainment I used to enjoy to be entertaining again.
I love that you guys brought up Mulan. She was my favorite Disney princess (even though she’s technically not a princess) and mind you im a Mexican girl her race wasn’t relevant at all cause when you’re a kid you only see the parts that matter and I wanted to be like her work hard and improve my own skills and then I watched the live action and I actually hate it I don’t hate a lot of things but what they did to mulan was unforgivable lol
I grew up on dragon ball and even though I wasn't Asian I too wanted to be dropped on my head as a baby, never know my dad, punch people who were a different color than me, never have a job, be a monkey, and abandon my children. Damn, now that I think about it, Goku might have been black.
@Jarrod Graham Thats a good point and I hate when movies do that. It’s insulting to women when they portray these characters to just magically be perfect cause we’re human and we make mistakes and work hard to learn things.
Mulan is my favourite Disney character period and im a 28 year old man. Having the courage and will to act on it like she does is something I aspire to.
YUP. also a woman who loved Mulan growing up. they fucked that remake up SO BADLY. I've never seen a story I've held so dear have the main message just ripped to shreds like that... instead of the lesson to women that you should work hard/clever and you can do whatever a man can do, maybe even can do it better... they instead changed it to "well... you can be better than a man if you are born with magical powers"... how THE FUCK is this a good message for normal women? modern Hollywood is so daft.
They translated your favorite character to live action and you hated it. Does that make sense to you
Critical Drinker's reference to THE MESSAGE never gets old 😂
Yeah he doesnt get in to it but we all know what he means
mOdErN aUdIeNcEs will get that term written out of the hollywood lexicon I believe
I know right! It is because it is _so_ true. I see other TH-camrs referencing it as well and it is fabulous.
LOL 'Modern Audiences'
I love it everytime he does it!!!
Hollywood isn't recognizing their mistakes as mistakes. They simply recognize that people are on to their tactics, so they're changing tactics.
It is because none of this is by mistake. it is an intentional attempt at a maoist revolution in the west.
They're not changing tactics, they're hammering the same tactics harder.
I think your missing the point. You probably need to go deeper under the hood and look at the term "consequentialism". What is bad? What is evil?. In these radicalist eyes the only way to judge evil is looking at the outcome. ---> if burning stuff leads to getting noticed and instilling fear in the oppresors then this is good.
So in movies if knocking down the male character is good for enboldening the female character then so be it.
Theyre surrounded by too many ppl who have this mantra, femanist, race hustlers, LGBT who all talk about oppresion, patriarchy, systemic issues.
I just watched vaush v jordan peterson fan. Vaush literally called all conservatives KKK. Thats what u up agsinst?
@@ANonymous-mo6xp they're just firing the people who point out their failures, because if they don't it might be them on the chopping block
Hollywood's biggest problem is it's full of executives like Kathleen Kennedy, who didn't earn their positions on merit, they got them handed to them for PR purposes. Which means they can't allow people with more ability than them anywhere near a decision making position because it may expose their own inadequacy to the board of directors.
Meaning they continue to surround themselves with the same idiots with the same ideas who have painted themselves into the same corner with no other option but to just power through and pray.
@thazfff cringe will ALWAYS be called out.
I am a moderate left leaning person and the messaging from modern movies isn't just terrible it's terminal. I'm in Cali and most liberal homes are getting these things out of the house. Specifically I've been told they don't want their sons or daughters thinking this is how you deal with problems or adversity. Disney is in trouble when they lose liberals.
Same. They've lost the plot when they lose progressives like me.
What is this a crossover episode!
Absolutely love it
Bloody hell, you kept this one quiet! This is the collaboration I didn't know I needed! Kudos, boys! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's the culture of critique from the Frankfurt school like Herbert Marcus weaponized to undermine the West. It didn't start with Hollywood. Hollywood has become rhe Ministry of Propaganda for the neoliberal globalist elites.
Will jordan is so well rounded. Seems like part philsopher, theologian, social commentator, comedian, and good story teller. Every commentary on critical drinker (I've watched a handful) is on point and hilarious.
I'm a very liberal retired college professor who would be cancelled in three seconds nowadays. For thirty years I fought a rearguard action against political correctness in the name of challenging, well-written literature by dead white males (and I'm female--I'd love it if women had gotten to write over the centuries, but they didn't, so hey, you work with what there is). The Drinker's take on modern woke shit is actually tame compared to the reality of what goes on in classrooms. I find it totally frightening that this sludge has spilled off campus into popular culture and poisoned it all.
not to trigger any P.T.S.D.
What was your reply when challenged on the value of the literature outside of it being all we got? It leads to the argument that only dead white men thought it of any worth.Why should I? Is this another way of saying because I said so? I'm just curious, my thinking is that these writers captured something of the human condition in their stories and told their stories in meaningful way.
Thanks.
_"I'd love it if women had gotten to write over the centuries, but they didn't"_
There's a statement which needs a hefty dose of clarification, given the vast amount of published writing by women over the past few centuries.
@@marksnow7569 Yes, i agree. It wasn't as bad as so much propaganda states.
@@chipcook5346 "Published" was indeed my choice of word, bearing in mind how many of the most famous writers in many different cultures have been women, from Murasaki Shikibu to J.K. Whose Name May Not Be Spoken.
@@marksnow7569 Weird right? I mean if you can't even see the word before you write a comment 😂. I know the feeling, i've done it myself...
Top Gun Maverick was the first film in about 5 years which I went to the cinema to see and then went and purchased the Blu-Ray. I will gladly give my money to good films, never to ones that want to push 'the message'.
Have you seen Ford vs Ferrari yet? One of my favorite films in over a decade.
The problem with that is that good films will have a message
I love how big the Drinker is now.
A global phenomenon
Let's hope he gets a career making movies, as he will fall into irrelevance if Hollywood fixes itself. It's the only reason he's big. He's a good writer I'll admit
@chrispekel5709 Yeah I doubt Hollywood will fix itself.
@chrispekel5709 Yeah I doubt Hollywood will fix itself.
@@chrispekel5709 Lol. I don't think he'll complain too much if Hollywood fixes itself.
He deserves it, totally!!
Very interesting episode. One aspect you guys didn't touch upon is that cinema became so dominated by directors and studio producers that the writers fled to television where they're more respected and in control. At the end of the day the script matters. Mad Men and Breaking Bad (with due respect to predecessors like The Wire and Sopranos) really set off this trend and now almost all of the best storytelling isn't in movie theaters but on TV.
The Wire is a great example of Drinker's point about writers with real experiences. It was based on a book I believe cowritten by a guy who was a police officer who was there when/where that stuff was happening, on whom the main character is largely based, and a journalist who covered those same events from the other side, which you see highlighted in the last season. It was super grounded for this reason.
That's a great point. Too many movie directors are trying to write scripts which aren't good.
@@DavidSmith-mt7tb David Simon actually wrote the book (with Ed Burns) utilizing his decade-plus experience covering the crime beat for the Baltimore Sun and later adapted it himself. But yes, details aside, that's why it rings true and is so good.
what all those shows have in common: deep character writing
there's more breadth in storytelling when you can tell the story over a series of 8-10 hour long episodes, rather than condensing it down into a 2.5 hour cinematic piece.
It's just like having the Punisher going on a vigilante spree without the Trauma in the beginning and expecting him to be cheered on just the same.
And he's not killing anyone, because it's wrong and not family friendly. And he jokes all the time.
Hold your horses guys because they are retconning Rhys as we speak. Punisher will be nerfed for dollars and woke liberalism.
I honestly thought this was a critical drinker video and then realized it was a Williamson podcast I would have clicked on either but happy with the combo. Both of you have brought peace to my mind because I realize I'm not alone in this crazy universe.
Keep it up fellas
One of my favourite training montages is Mulan. She starts weak and awful, but so does everyone. But with time, effort and heart, they become a good fighting force, and Mulan retrieved the arrow but it made sense.
And it made sense that she thought outside of the box with that arrow retrieval, because her military father’s knowledge rubbed off on her. It was within character!
I never knew what the critical drinker looks like but as soon as I heard his voice, I knew who it was. What a great conversation!
I was just bamboozled for a hot second because he usually wears those sunglasses
He is quite a handsome man with quite the handsome voice. No homo or anything.
At 5:10, what is also missing is that sometimes studios launch films they don't want to be successful. Treasure Planet is a great example of this. Two pioneers of Disney animation made a ton of huge-grossing classic films in exchange for the rights to make one single movie they wanted to make: Treasure Planet. Disney intentionally made it unprofitable and told the two visionaries to go back to the trough if they wanted to earn a living.
Yeah. That movie deserves SO MUCH BETTER!
Treasure Planet was fucking awesome! I even had the PS2 video game back in the day ;)
And after Disney told them this they went to Dreamworks
ironic
Yet another reason to hate Disney
Some of my favorite commentators together!! Worlds colliding!
Henry Cavil, is probably one of if not the best actor of the current times. One of the best parts, is that he keeps what should be private, private. He doesn't talk about politics, doesn't really mention relationships or anything that really requires taking a stance.
He does him. He has passions which he enjoys mentioning (and keeps the topics at arms reach, so that its not so personal). He respects the creators, and tries his best to be as accurate to their art as he can (often only limited by studios).
So, far as much as I can tell, even when a film of his fails, it's not his fault. He gave us everything. It's usually the director, the writers or the studios that have made the choices that cause the failures.
Him and Tom Cruise are literally carrying the entire film industry.
How many of Henry Cavill's films have even been commercial successes? Nevermind critical... I'm not saying the man isnt a great performer but by most metrics Cavill is not 'the best actor of the current times'. Having passions and not stating political opinions doesnt really enter into it.
@@ChefofWar33 But the last Mission Impossible barely broken even at the box office... and Cavill wasn't in a film last year... how are they carrying the film industry? Being professional isnt the same as being popular
@@terminatrix92 the issue there is, how much of it is his fault? Everything he puts himself into, seems that he is one of the best parts. It usually falls apart because of the writing, directors/producers or other actors.
He himself, though. Excellent and fun to watch. At most, Id agree that maybe when he does choose a show or movie, he doesnt always pick the right ones. Because he just lets himself enter shit-shows.
Justice League, he was one of the best parts. Mission Impossible he was also great. The Witcher, he was awesome. (Though I will admit, I havent watch to many of his earlier things, but thats partially because I dont like shows/movies that have the "romantic/romance" tag to it.
@@tokenhempshire but your original comment said: “Cavill is one of if not the best actors”. But your argument is just that he has good screen presence like a Tom Cruise. But Tom Cruise has shown range, taken on art films, comedies and weird acting choices. Henry Cavill has done good action but can’t transform himself other than wearing a white wig or having a moustache… he doesn’t disappear into characters, he can play gruff or suave but that’s pretty much it. I’d like to be proven wrong but these guys aren’t Gary Oldman!
The Critical Drinker is an absolute legend
Also FarFromWeak
HELL YES! I watch both of you guys all the time, it's so good to see y'all collaborate
... "Ellie is gay by the way"
"THE MESSAGE!"
"Modern audiences"
@@LeeEverett1 "Believe that!"
"That's all for today, go away now!"
"Nah, it will be fine"
"Why?" "Don't know"
“Unspecified virus of unknown origin”
@Mr. Tibs oh you're not gonna like whats next i guess
I'm a young adult, wasn't really interested in Anime until after High School. Japan is just absolutely better at story telling right now, most mainstream anime in Japan is fairly digestible for a Western audience and its entertaining and tells good stories. Most male and female characters are fantastic and come across as real while offering some sort of heroism. I support any artist I can in the medium, because I want them to know THIS is what I want to watch.
Anime has men being tossed around by women all the time. It depicts lack of respect and completely feminine men. I used to like anime until that became the main theme.
Japan went from Samurai to Anime.
@@PackaGame ?
@@PackaGameNot in Shonen anime😂 Also, usually the end bosses are male, and women are just minor bosses.
@@PackaGameSuper humans that have magical powers with crazy power scaling is a different story. It’s fantasy it doesn’t implicitly try to say that women are stronger than men at all
I love assassination classroom, and this is my model for teaching. I love it’s message that everyone can improve, learn from the past and level up. Feminists will never understand this imperative
The fangirl part of me gets embarrassingly excited when two of her favorite internet personalities cross paths!
I know, this was great. Plus they’re both easy to look at. 😅😍
@@MayreniSeSe Abso-fuckin-lutely hahaha
Simp! 😉
Bring me back to Florida! I’m stuck in Cleveland
Based women W
As someone who was in Austin for that freeze storm, that was a very accurate portray of that bizarre week. For a couple of days you'd just hear weird scratching combined with thud sounds. Sometimes it was your roof. Sometimes the neighbors. And then afterwards when you drove around town it was like being in a bad M. Night film where the trees started to attack the city. There were just branches and snapped trees everywhere.
@@buzzcrushtrendkill I’ve been here since 1988. We get a freeze every year, but this was a different type of freeze and led to far more tree damage than normal.
WoW, that sounded like an earthquake.
I had been playing Satisfactory and the neighborhood near me still have front lawns that look like biomass filled conveyor belts. The number of branches attached to trees are extremely thin.
Sounds like an extreme hoar frost.
THE MESSAGE !!! Hahaha !! Thanks for the interview, chaps. Fan of your work. All the best👊🏼😎🍸
Thank you so much Chris for inviting the incomparable Will Jordan (aka The Critical Drinker) on your podcast! Mr. Jordan's ability to use movies and TV shows as vehicles to distill some interesting insights about the trajectory our culture is headed is just top notch. The fact that he does this with unrivaled eloquence and also imbues his critique with so much humor and plain language so as to avoid trespassing into esoteric territory, makes him the common man's philosopher - sort of like a contemporary Socrates whose discursive tool is popular entertainment . The Critical Drinker is the antidote to the woke culture that has infected our entertainment landscape.
I remember seeing someone in the comments recommending Chris talked to Critical Drinker and I'm so pumped to listen to this one
If you're an up and coming video game studio and you want a perfect example of how NOT to run a PR/Advertising department look no further than EA/Dice for BF5.
Dice: "If you don't like it then just don't buy it"
Fans: "Ok."
Sales: ↘️
And this is why I love TH-cam!! One of my favourite podcasters chatting to my favourite movie critic. I've followed both for aaaaaages, and this is gold. Thank you.
I have seen a couple interviews of the Drinker and they are very interesting. He provides great insight into the state of entertainment today. Well done to the interviewer as well.
Thank you guys for giving me back faith into humankind, in common sense and all good things that now seemingly became obsolete
This is the cross over I never expected but now it’s here, I’m buzzing
It's weird listening him having a regular conversation,his critical drinker character is too real. His reviews and recommendations are awesome
He regularly does regular chats with other youtubers on his "open bar" nights.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Mauler on here. Guy is very eloquent and entertaining. And to go with the theme of “the long man” the interview should be at least 6 hours long.
I remember watching the drinker on triggernometry a while back and was shocked he sounded like a normal human.
I want to really like to watch his vids but the way he talks in them makes it hard to sit and listen to it
@@Garrus1995 i dont think this would be maulers vibe.
The Drinker brought up "interesting life experiences" and a second later there is the sound of thunder... timing was perfect!
I grew up on watching masculine rolemodels in movies, my father wasnt around much. what i know i learned from observing movies and my friends and their families. luckily i have a mother that tried her best and many good friends with parents that took really good care of me. seeing this trend in the entertainment industries makes me feel bad for the young boys today, and the increasing fatherlessnes
I started watching CD right at the beginning of his youtube career, and it is just plain wholesome and awesome to see him on this show. Well done sir, well done!
another thing I noticed is that (except for the few rare occasions) there are no more villains, in the sense of being evil for selfish intentions, modern villains are just a victim who didn't learn a lesson, their not fun, their boring, and their twisted ideas and beliefs are twisted into "it's not their fault, they're not really a bad guy"
and if they are an evil for evil's sake villain they're usually a Nazi or another form of bigot
not only are our heroes butchered but so are our villains, cause heaven forbid a minority is cast as a fun villain
If there’s a villain portrayed as a villain just for being a bad person and nothing else it’s always just a bland white guy these days lol.
If it’s not, it’s like you said he did bad thing because he didn’t learn a lesson or he did bad things because he was trying to save the plant or some nonsense 😂
Villains aren't supposed to be fun. They are the bad guy
@@peterriverajr6899Villains can most certainly be fun. Take the Joker or Bill Cipher for example.
@@denialman2808 the Joker isn't fun he's a psychopath.
@@peterriverajr6899 Yeah but he’s entertaining to watch which makes him a fun villain.
Watching this has made me realize why I find myself gravitating toward anime shows. I’m craving heros, hardship, and character development. I’d rather watch cartoons that are sometimes 20 years old Vs. modern television and movies. Pretty nuts lol.
Anime will also try ANYTHING. Western media today is just remake, race swap, cuck the white guy over and over
Not really this is cultural sexism against white males. Pretty clear racism / sexism
@jarrodgraham2408 it's impossible to anime get woke, because in their roots, anime shows are just 23 minute toy commercials*, there's a lot of merchandising around it, they can't risk lose money just for some internet points from people who didn't consume their products in the first place.
*Yes, they have stories crafted, characters well written, yada yada, but they also have to sell merchandise and stuff.
@@GeovaneSanciniSRwhat anime do you watch? Yea some of the best aren’t woke but many have weak feminine men getting tossed around and battered by women who consider them disgusting. There’s a massive following of pussy men putting women who mistreat them on golden pedestals. I’d gander there is plenty of wokeness in anime.
@@GeovaneSanciniSR lgbt also isn't as big a thing there, so they can't flash gay characters at you to make you buy it
A good hero's story is to overcome internal and external obstacles and achieve something great. A toxically feminine "heroine's" story is that everyone else was just putting you down and you were amazing and capable the whole time. You see how in one, the obstacles are overcome through struggle and sacrifice, and in the other, the problems are simply deleted or ignored. One comes from a place of self-betterment and one comes from a place of narcissism. It's like modern films are all just a deluded female power fantasy; the heroine is extraordinarily powerful and the antagonists (usually men) are all stupid, incompetent and jealous. And the slay queen just has to believe in herself and everything will work out okay. Not only is it chronically patronising and insulting, but it's also overwhelmingly *boring* .
I think one of the best comments on Hollywood I've heard, has to be from one of the Warner Brothers back in the 40s or 50s. The phrase was *"If the critics love it and the audience love it, it's a good film. If the critics hate it and the audience love it, it's a good film. If critics love it and the audience hate it, it's a bad film."*
That's stupid
@@peterriverajr6899 Maybe but it’s true
@@MatthewAngarita no it's not people hated Captain Marvel and the Marvels but those were good movies
This was a heck of a surprise! A great way to start the weekend seeing two of my top content creators crossing over!
Have a coworker that is an actor. I asked the other day what roles he gets most often. (White male) responds “usually a rapist or the bad guy”. I froze, cause it occurred to me what is happening when they cast him constantly in that role. It is sad, cause he is one of those individuals, who I believe, follows all the bs about all men being evil. Not the greatest time for us a people period
all by design. browbeat into submission
27:30. Yes. Life experiences.
Your own challenges and success.
This is what we put of ourselves into film.
22:20 I actually stopped to think when he said that your favorite movies of all time are probably 20 years old. HE's RIGHT! The closes I could come was The Last Samurai from 2003, and Man On Fire from 2004. Everything else I could come up with is older. I could not come up with one great movie younger than those.
No country for old men -2007. Not many other than that I can really think of.
The last great live-action movie I saw in theaters was Parasite in 2019, and that wasn't even Hollywood. Everything since then has been sludge.
Manchester By The Sea (2016)
Yo, this guest/host combo is something I never knew I needed. If the drinker goes on Rogan I'll literally die.
He’d be great on Rogan. No better way to push back against Hollyweird.
Yes!!!
He’d make a perfect guest!
My favorite part was 1:04:55 when he explains the four stages. So much to think about there
I love it, a Scotsman talking and laughing with an Englishman! Yes, people need to realize that the banter between the Scots and the English is real and can be really fun. This conversation was great, probably one of the best and very important. keep up the good work!
Jeeze, I never knew there was much of a problem. Sure there’s a bit of teasing occasionally, but what’s banter without a few ad hominem jibes?
There is hope for Europe yet. We Europeans can get along, when degrading politics arent holding us back.
@@ericjohnson7234 Spot on, and well said! I totally agree and Europeans will need to ban together in order to save themselves. So naturally its nice to see two bachelors, a Scotsman and an Englishman bantering and talking about the movies and so on.
@@sweetie4915 Yes damnit. Thank you!
@@ericjohnson7234 No problem and God Bless!
I actually blinked twice to make sure I didn't read it wrong when I saw you got the drinker on. Critical Drinker is my favorite movie/show TH-camr
This is great, the Drinker's excellent reviews hint at his deeper beliefs but it's cool to see someone talk to him at length.
The Drinker has his own “Open Bar” podcast series that you’d probably also enjoy!
I’ve been binge watching my way through the 52 episodes of it so far (they’re released weekly) instead of watching any new Hollywood garbage firsthand myself
I'm glad the Critical Doggo got to be featured on this podcast. On the come-up that one.
I remember seeing fan baiting with the Obi-Wan show. Disney asked outlets to write articles about all the hate an African American character was receiving online who nobody knew about. Outrage was the first topic about the show. No wonder Disney is falling apart.
Outstanding. Two of my favourite TH-camrs in one space. Smart, informative and entertaining.
Good podcast. I always liked lower budget movies with a good story and substance more than alot of these brain dead high budget new age movies.
Could u give a list bro?
The Last Day comes to mind.
@@moonknight4053 I often look to Australian, New Zealand, British and Irish films from small or independent studios, as tend to be more focused on story and spectacle or ideology
@@DanKnowlson I prefere South Korean films. Chan Wook Park and his vengance trilogy is great.
The remake of Oldboy stank.
@@DanKnowlson Yeah that’s what I was tryna say bro haha, it’s always about the story…. And the people in it. You gotta give ur characters personality and the ten they live in personality is well. Antman 3 had none of that
Australian told stories are really gud, they make awesome films over there bruv
I'm still enthusiastically buying DVDs at bargain prices whenever I can. It's partly because TV is so often crap (despite my having lots of channels) but increasingly it's seeing the censorship cancel culture mentality of the corporations and realising that the corporations (and their tame politicians) might censor or withdraw movies you love. There is currently a controversy over a publisher having Roald Dahl books re-written by 'sensitivity readers'. It's only a small step from there to withdrawing the originals from sale - and you've 'memory-holed' brilliant literature of the past. If your only way to access your movies is streaming from the corporations you are completely in the power of people who've demonstrated they are obsessed with identity politics & virtue-signaling.
Same here. Getting the books, DVDs, even CDs. Any media that they can't "fix" with a couple of keystrokes.
They've just "fixed" the Bond books. Act fast.
Don't forget games, now that they are all server based.
exactly, buy physical media. They have already removed certain episodes of community, its always sunny, and lots of others, they are rewriting literature due to sensitivity readers, then next it will be video games
Physical media is primary for me, digital can be a good supplement but Physical media is king.
Me too, I want to own everything and be happy.
I was born in the 70s. I know that every generation probably says this, but I truly believe I grew up seeing some of the greatest movies ever made. The 70s and 80s produced some of the best films ever and I'm glad to have grown up in that time period. I love that there is literal decades worth of great material to look back on and remember film and entertainment for what it used to be...pure entertainment.
All propaganda pushing an agenda shame your generation destroyed everything that came before it. And imported replacements for your kids thanks for the corrupt multicultural shithole you left us to sort out.
Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning is probably the next movie I will see in theaters. The last movie I saw in theaters was Top Gun: Maverick. I've never really been a Tom Cruise fan, but damn his movies are made to be seen in theaters. When a guy opens his movie thanking the audience for seeing his movie in theaters as it was meant to be seen, he has my support. No preaching, no lectures... Here's the movie, I hope you like it and strap in.
And when the Announcer stops saying, "Be Silent" before the Movie starts then I will go again.
Cruise is very oldschool in that regard. He just makes movies for the audience. Simple and effective.
Big fan of Critical Drinker. I discovered him about a year ago. Love his persona when he does his reviews. So acerbic.
Not as acerbic as Sam neill yelling
@@Hongobogologomo Hmmm.... I wonder if it's the accent. 🤔😆
25:30 Hasn't the streaming services replaced the DVD sales?
The thing I miss about DVDs is the behind the scenes and commentary stuff you don't get on the streaming services.
The white male profile with him being stupid and irrelevant with regards to his intelligence and character has been with us for decades. For example, Everybody Loves Raymond is a classic example and that's just one of many. We've turned a corner from poking fun to genuine hatred and labeling as evil. So if art imitates culture, well, this could trend to some very bad places.
Goes back further than that. Homer Simpson may be the first
@@michaelfranciotti3900 I'll see your Homer Simpson and raise you Al Bundy. :)
All true. All WAY before Weinstein. Weinstein just helped it come out in the open with no apologies.
Italians aren’t white. lol
@@SEKreiverWeinstein…hmmm stein.
King of the Hill had an episode where Bobby “learns” karate/self-defense and one of the moves he does is kick people in the crotch. Bobby did it to everyone and won each battle. So, Peggy takes on Bobby and he kicks her in the crotch. Her response was hilariously wonderful: “As you can see, Bobby, I don’t have testicles.” Then the Asian neighbor eggs on Bobby, “She lying!” One of the hardest laughing moments of my life.
"Let go my purse!!!!" 😂
King of the hill is the best anime.
I forgot about that! That was freaking hilarious!
"THATS MY PURSE!!! I DON'T KNOW YOU!!!!!"
Damn, I loved King of the Hill! So spot on years ahead of time!
I am a terrible Hippie woman, socialist and Old school feminist. I am NOT woke!!!!!! Feminism is not about diminishing men or any race or anybody. I just wanted to tell you, I am happy that there are still men like you!!!!!
A crossover that we never asked for, but it's so welcomed here. Thanks Chris, Critical Drinker is one of my favourite channels - I love movies generally speaking, but in the last 10 years you can count good movies on one hand. There's a crisis of creativity and polictics that drove film making to the ground... Looking forward to see good, enjoyable movies hopefully soon.
Not even close to true, there’s a ton of great movies every year let alone the last 10 years
Some of the themes discussed here are exactly why Top gun 2 did so well. It didn't recast Tom as a female, it didn't make him a useless punchline that had to be humbled by some young women and it allowed him to be that old guy that could pass on his wisdom to the next generation that will save them at some point in the film. I saw it in the theatre and I clapped when the credits rolled. It was the best experience at a movie I've had in about 17 years. And I'll admit if this was 1988 I might not have put it as high because movies back then we're so much better from a storytelling perspective then they are today.
Got nothing to with themes. It's because it was an action movie where people are doing cool stuff like actually flying jet planes vs. the fake CGI spectacle we're used to. Absolutely nothing impressive about the storytelling.
@@adamgates1142this, and post lockdown it's one of the few film spectacles in this cost of living crisis, people wanted to go to the cinema to fork out to see. People want to see woke and get offended where they see it. Top gun maverick has a bad ass female pilot. Guaranteed another film which has a bad ass female pilot will be labelled "woke" just for lazy reviewing purposes
28:10 was nuts! 😂. Now that sounds like some powerful lightning!
"There are no heroes anymore." Yes, there are, and Chris Williamson and Will Jordan are two of mine.
Really impressed with Chris's camera/audio setup. Wish more creators had it!
An abolutely wonderful and entertaining listen. Thank you Drinker and Chris!!!! Cheers!!
Wasn’t aware of this guy until now. Definitely subscribing and following. Spot on thoughts about film industry. I used to work in the biz myself. Movie trailers mostly.
I remember watching this guys videos when he had about 50k subscribers. So happy to see that he's had such great success. Atta boy critical drinker. Tell Tatayana I said Hello!
I remember when he had a terrible microphone and actually really sounded like he was drunk. I'm pretty sure he started the channel when he was actually drunk, which evolved into a fake persona
Bro I think I found him way back in 18’ with like 20?k or so. Been a huge fan ever since
32:00 In Hollywood we went from _Father Knows Best,_ to _Dad knows Nothing._ I am so sick of all men having to be buffoons.
Wow, The Drinker on modern wisdom. Obviously fits together well, im just so surprised to see it. Looking forward to listening.
Dude you have been killing it with amazing guests! Way to go! It makes me happy to see how well this channel has evolved. Just great work man
I'm kinda disappointed that he didn't end it with "That's all I've got for today, Go away now"
No matter where the culture goes, the both of you have made good work that speaks for itself. You bring honor to your families.
Fantastic. A superb guest, Chris. The Drinker has some fantastic insights on the importance of storytelling.
Massive respect for Critical as well as Nerdrotic. They are showing up how horrendous modern Hollywood is
Great interview, Chris! I actually watched this because of the Drinker, but your interview style reeled me in and I'm now a subscriber to you as well. Thanks!
My favorite Critical Drinker catchphrase: “Fuck you, film!”
It just says so much so eloquently 😂
Isn't it fuck off? Haha
its"fuck off film"
Or "It'll be fine!"
That's all I've got. Go away now.
I like “DON’T KNOOOOOW!”
no it goes "fuck off film!" .. and I love it as well..
This is the only multiverse that makes sense. The ultimate collab ! Thanks Chris!
I love economics, politics, geography, history, and culture. This is a wonderful intersection.
What?!&#&@ No sports and enterDETAINMENT? Good on you. 💪
Dude I’m so stoked you had the drinker on your channel. Fucking legend you are!
Critical Drinker's the man. I've been watching him before he took off and his takes are on-point 99.9% of the time, and despite the artifice, it's told in such an earnest, hilarious fashion, it's refreshing to me. Good on you, CD.
Hollywood has distorted my idea of what trauma "should be like" so much, that for the longest time I dismissed very serious mental health problem because of how differently they are depicted in most media
Loved Drinker for a long time now, which bled into me really enjoying Will Jordan's work with Ryan Drake, which is right around the time I also found Modern Wisdom.
I think it's safe to say we're on the right track boys.
A problem with modern action and adventure movies is also that they are so LONG. They take too long to end, too many useless twists, it's tiring, boring, endless... why on earth do they complicate things so much? Those movies become a real pain to watch.
Another great interview Chris.
A great point from this interview - how the Underdog has been replaced by the Oppressed Victim
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Good point. Funny how the Americans in particular always used to see themselves as the underdog, despite being by far the most powerful nation in the world. But I guess we in ‘feisty little’ Britain have been doing much the same despite being the world’s major naval power until 1941.
What an amazing conversation. I normally hate long video conversations, but this one just flew by and I loved every minute. And the questions asked were very intriguing & extremely on point. Well done and thanks. :)
So funny that the movie Bros was mentioned here, I’ve seen several lists recently about “box office flops that will become cult classics” and bros is on EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
Hey I listened to this on your podcast and I just had to come here to post this, this is an absolute banger, don't miss this one girls and boys.