Have you learned how much carbon builds up in the throttle body? How about coolant leaking into the exhaust from a bad seals on the EGR cooler? Oil leaking down the driverside of the block because it is running out of the crankcase filter? Lol
@@M4A3 and the 2011 through 16 models don’t have the filter CCV box so you don’t even have to change them out so they don’t blow up for seals on these models
@jakethesk8roberts763 11 to 16 are the worst for running oil down the side. No, it doesn't have the element you can change out. You're supposed to change the whole unit. We put new ones on any trucks with 6.7's that come in for refurbish.
Just how casual he says hopefully it’s fed by a Banks Ram system while breaking down a motor says so much about his ability to be a salesman as well as a professional builder
@@justinblain1125I’ll give him this he isn’t a horsepower legend but just knowledge and his understanding of how everything works has been unbeaten by what I’ve seen
@michaelf.2449 he can pull more power out of a motor and have it last longer then anyone you personally know. Just so you know maybe go do some homework on this man and then start running your jibbs
@@justinblain1125 is that so? Where’s his 1/4 record? Nothing wrong with what I said it’s the truth. He’s smart and knows his shit but hasn’t been relevant for horsepower records in a decade
He’s going for longevity records! Reliable towing and improved performance with longevity are his main claims to fame and I’m pretty sure he’s unmatched in these categories.
That's what makes a teacher a great one, being able to break down the topic into easy understandable information. No fluff, no confusions, just clear, concise, easy to understand information.
I'm happy to see you finally analyzing this engine family. I have owned a 2013 and now have a 2017 and they run with excellent manners and pull very well.
I have seen comments on other channels that you are not the Granddaddy of Diesel performance, but I have never seen anybody else do a teardown and step by step explain the how and why the way you do, you are the the Guru in my eyes.
to hear Mr. Banks praise a ford engineering design multiple times and be impressed is a thing of beauty. i cant wait for the tear down of the 2024 scorpion H.O. engine to see the updated turbo, and steel pistons..then we wanna see Gale push one to its limits and see what are the failure points.
Love hearing him talk. You know he's knowledgeable about not just engine performance but the true engineering behind it. And he's not just reading off a script. Very few "car" people on TH-cam can do that.
The Ford F650/F750 from 2016 and Ford preform very well with this engine, I've replaced a few due to the Crankcase filter getting clogged and causing a high crankcase pressure that either cause oil leaks, blowing a turbocharger and burning all the oil in the sump. Have to pay attention to those little things, but I have one in the shop with 700k plus on it only in for a high pressure fuel pump on original engine!
It's all about maintenance and also there are always some that come with a defect or issue from the manufacturer. Cummins are ok older ones I think were a little better but the rest of the truck is garbage and gonna fall apart plus your gonna have to rebuild the trans and front end every 70K. I saw a F550 come in with the early model 6.7 had 1.5 million on it stock block and heads.
Look at the cost to mileage ratio for each engine, or yearly maintenance costs. The Cummins is going to have an far lower failure rate and costs and go way longer.
@@thahitman2once you build the transmission properly with good parts and shift kit that’s it for life. As for front end they all break and the dodge ones are easy and fast to work on. No stupid vacuum hubs.
After driving Cummins Rams for 12 years I just bought a 6.7 powerstroke and now this video is scaring the crap out of me! That 6.7 is a COMPLICATED beast! Love Banks' description and walk through, the man clearly knows what he's talking about. Much respect.
Ford had a voluntary update for the early 6.7 engines that they would reflash them for the higher hp/tq levels. I have an extremely early '11 (made June 2010) that got the update. They look complicated, but they're a dream to work on vs. the navistar 6.0/6.4 engines.
I don't care what Ford does or had done from 2011 forward. What they did to honest, hardworking truck and business owners like myself for the 10 years before is borderline criminal. The 6 leaker problems were bad enough...but Ford proclaimed loud and clear "The problems are fixed. The 6.4 is bulletproof!" Many of us took their word for it and lost our shirts. My 100% stock, babied truck had problems it's whole life while getting 8-9 mpg towing a 5000lb work trailer. It cost me a fortune in lost work, tows and fuel etc. 3 months after paying it off at 104K miles just out of warranty it became a mechanical salvage when #7 went soft. My accountant and I for fun decided to figure out what owning that truck for 6 years cost me. (Not including the truck and normal maintenance,.) Just shy of $70,000! Lost work, repairs, doubled fuel cost etc.(Used to get 16-18mpg towing same trailer with a Cummins.) not counting the damage done to my business reputation for delayed work and/or no shows as I sat on the side of the road. Ford fought me every step of the way. Made me wait for weeks to approve warranty work that should have just been "done". Ford motor credit are also crooks - but that's subject for another thread. We won't get into the 3v 5.4 in an F150 I had that locked up at 114K miles because the cam phaser fell apart while spinning 2500 rpm on the highway. Another worthless boat anchor. I take excellent care of all my vehicles with regular maintenance beyond recommendation so it's not that at all. I don't care if their new motor crapped gold bars, I'll never set foot in a Ford dealership long as I live.
In Iowa, farmers who owned Ford trucks could not get warranty repairs. Forcing the farmers to buy Dodge trucks just to get by. Ford went so far as ignoring phone calls from farmers. Idk why any Farmer would ever but a Ford truck again. Just amazing for Ford to ignore warranty claims. Smh
could be part of the half a billion bite ford took out of navistar and the introduction of the scorpion. Had a 6.0 F550, so derated to 300hp, applied updates as they came out for standpipes, hpop sealing, all really trivial repairs in the driveway, rolled on to 300k before a sleeping driver totalled it while parked. Only time it 'failed' the injector computer power wire chafed and broke. 99 7.3 is running well and replacement 6.7 seems content hauling.
Oh man, it would be so cool to just listen to Gale just chat about what kind of stuff he likes while sipping a cup of coffee. Such a cool guy; So much knowledge.
Mr. Banks, you are a legend, Sir. The automotove aftermarket would not be the same without you. The decades of knowledge and love for anything mechanical shows in all of your videos. I was psyched to see you find your way to You Tube so we can all have the access to that genius mind of yours. This was another great video, just like all the others. 👍
Wow been a long time since I went into sponge mode and got some Banks school'in on engine tech. Just amazing when Gale does each and every video. Thank you Sir.
Gail has rules that dictate good vs. bad design. I watch, I listen, I learn from these rules, and his guided tour through a given engine. Gail proves his rules to be absolutely correct, pointing to tested results while doing his analysis of any given engine. I love the fact that Banks has no brand bias and that he calls it as he sees it, according to his hard and fast proven rules. I truly enjoy his videos. This one, in particular, was very interesting. There are so many design differences than engines I'm used to seeing, and a great explanation of why.
That double lifter design is really, really interesting. Those style HVAs have been used in a huge number of European (and now pretty much all) engines over the years with great success, but I never expected to see them packaged into a roller lifter body!
Every time I watch a Gale Banks video the importance of actually understanding what does what before screwing around with things you don’t understand receives yet another underline.
I always love how Gale will take you back in time with some of the most simple components. It tickles me since I'm still dealing with military Avionics from the 60s lol (new platforms as well) . I have to look up the many years of standards changes for SAE, axial tolerances for ball bearings down to 1/1000th of an inch etc. He speaks my language and I enjoy how he explains everything. I could just listen to this guy talk forever.
THANK YOU!!! Ford treats everything about this platform like its sorcery majic only available to its sorcerers. What’s the deck height? What’s the max over bore? Can it be bored out for wet sleeves? Cam specs? Etc. Eventually I, or someone faster with more money, is going to bore one out, sleeve it, and run Cummins 6.7 pistons for 7.75 liters or Duramax pistons for just around 7 liters. Sled pulls here I come!
Cant wait for the 2024. Will be really interesting to see how its changed internally as the've learnt about the platform and needed to make more power. Cheers Gale
Worked EMS at that time and we were looking at new ambulances, talked to several services that had purchased trucks already. All of them that had purchased the Fords had them in the shop more than working. We bought a Ram, loved that truck.
I got to tour the banks facility during college when I took an internal combustion engine class at cal poly Pomona. Really sad I never got to meet Gale. An amazing man that has done tremendous things for the industry
Gale, The main thing I think of when watching this isn't why did it take you so long to tell us about the powerstroke compared to the isuzu that you normally talk about. Ohh...sorry Duramax, General motors "name". Who is going to do the explaining next? The legacy you are leaving is incredible. Thank you for all you have done for us who are hot rodders/motorheads. I recently purchased a 6.0L powerstroke excursion, and I can see the appeal and the reservation. My current thoughts are on swapping the body to modern 350 or 450 powertrain and chassis due to the improvements the automotive industry has made overtime. Without your explanation of how these motors are designed, and the engineering improvements and challenges, I would have many more questions than I do. Thank you!!! Keep up the great work. And I thank you again you remind me of my grandfather, my wife and I discuss the differences between your generation and my own. I belive you to be, in the post war generation, and I am the middle of the millenials. Your contribution to modern day tech is fantastic and I thank you. My grandfather had a video recoder, yes shoulder carried camera. As soon as he the video recorder, he walk around the city documenting how technology allowed them to reline the septic system in the 2000's. Thank you Gale, you are an example of the generation that has lead the way.
i was truly impressed by this engine and the thought that went into it ford really learned from the 6.0 and the 6.4 and they came up with a truly innovative an good design the amount of power achieved on this platform is incredible
@@mydogpeaches1 yeah definitely, and simple but also very complex in the right spots, it’s crazy how similar it is a duramax, one reason the exhaust manifolds are in the valley was because of they were on the outside of the heads it could have impeded on GMs patents
With the 6.7 and the 5.0 coyote ford has really put worked chevy. People may not like to here it but they are hands down the best engines in their categories.
Especially when you consider how good the Coyote is at not putting out the wrong kind of emissions. Ford can keep using the coyote for the foreseeable market. The LT engines are amazing for power too, but they're a little dirtier in the amount of hydrocarbons they put off. Dodge has the same problem, which is why they had to buy all those environmental credits from tesla and still had to pay a fine at the end of 2023. Gm and ford had fines too but dodges' were the worst. It's what pushed them to move to the new Hurricane 3.0L so soon. Tbh I don't know all the science going into it, but MotoIQ has a video where he talks about how the design of the piston plays a pretty big role in how the engine creates emissions, and why cars designed for turbocharging happen to be really good at making power without making as much pollution as its horsepower equivalent NA V8
5 L has plenty of issues and it's absolutely not competitive at all as far as I'm concerned. The good news though is it is one of the best Motors Ford has to offer except for Godzilla at this point. The ecobust is a disaster
@ashes2ashes863 it does have problems and so does the 5.3. But they are for 200k or even 300k miles, them make significantly more stock power than a 5.3, and the fact that you can just slap a Whipple on the stock bottom end and cams and make almost 800hp nothing chevy or dodge makes can compete with that. And that's on the stock transmission too.
@@FinishedProject back to different. The short block of an LS is significantly stronger even in the 4.8 form turn the 5 L is. It's also significantly cheaper to get horsepower out of and 6.2 L variant takes up physically half the space the 5-liter does despite being significantly more capable. Horsepower wise, I wouldn't call 17 horsepower significantly more at all in fact they need more RPM to make the torque curve of the 5.3 L and had insulted injury the 5.3 L is generally set up to be a fuel Miser where is the 5 L Ford is absolutely not. The 5.3 GM V8 is definitely the most efficient V8 and has been for a long time now period and it's not by a little bit, it's significant. Also despite the 5.3 having issues with the lifters, they are still many many many many many many more of them on the road with significantly high mileage. The 5 L not so much. I mean the old 5 liter, but not the new one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crapping on that motor, I think it's one of the best things Ford has to offer, I certainly think of the service is credit. Quite frankly if money was no issue I would have an orange five leader Mustang in my garage right next to a blue Camaro. And I would be perfectly content with that because they're both actually quite different.
I heard these engines takes a few seconds for the oil system to build pressure each time it fires and that lead to premature turbo and cam/rod bearing failures. Any input on that?
Hopefully it won’t take another 14 years before we get that video.😁 Always great to hear the engineering that goes into things (or at least “what were they thinking”).
Awesome video Gale. So much passion, information, history and that is one clean shop! I have a degree in aerospace engineering but was never really a "car guy". I drive a 1993 toyota with a 3 litre 4 cylinder turbo diesel... I don't think it looks like this inside!
Gale your one cool ol fella. I sure wished you was my buddy I’d never be bored 😂 Your ability to break things down for us common ppl to understand is unrivaled by anyone.
I could listen to Gale all day, I can only imagine the way engineers must feel working with him on a daily basis, I'm sure they're absolutely delighted to be working with a legend! Looking forward to the next installment. Would also love to see this type of presentation on the Cummins.
Forgot to mention the oil drain issue were it takes around 6 seconds to get oil to the valve train unless you out a check valve in the oil tube unless ford did fix that problem. Love your videos especially this kind thank you very much!!!!!!!! On a side note you need to get with McFarland racing and teach them how to tune a 7.3 power stroke they seem to think its good to run black smoke out the exhaust!!!!!!!!! It kills me watching them kill my favorite diesel!!!!!
Stop watching Dave’s auto… engineers that watched that video all collectively cringed, followed by a massive eye roll. Dude is selling you solutions to non problems. (The sheared pin duramax “failure” is another favorite)
I used to play online with a Taiwanese Ford Powertrain Engineer who lived near Rouge River, MI in that time frame of the diesel power wars. He was let go in 2021 and moved back to Taipei.
One thing to add on the oiling system on these motors, watch Daves Auto video on the 6.7 powersteoke. He came up with a solution for the oil drainback issue these motors have. 5-8 seconds to get oil pressure to turbo after starting. It was a good watch. Im assuming its a check ball or something along that line.
Or just put your foot to the floor before you turn the key, and it won't start.... crank it until the oil pressure comes up, and then let your foot off the pedal and it will then immediately start with oil pressure
It would be amazing to see what Gale could do with a gen 4 coyote platform. Lots of people are doing them but I gave yet to hear one person talk about air density!
i laughed when he called mike at the end of the video! Even though I don't understand anything, it's very fascinating to watch from start to finish about some strange technology.
@@Failure_Is_An_Option That's just ignorant. I don't know much about the diesels, but Ford has made some of the most reliable/durable gas engines ever throughout the years.
I love all types of Diesel engines but anytime I see a V-8 Diesel it looks so overly complicated compared to an inline 6 engine. More complex, more parts, less room to service being a V engine etc. Ford built that engine from scratch and I'm surprised they didn't try an inline 6 configuration. Their is a reason most Diesels are inline 6 in trucks. I guess Ford just wanted to stick with the V-8 because that's what they have always done and if they had done inline 6 people might thought of they copying Dodge/Cummins? No doubt this engine is a master piece and a lot of design went into building it. End of the day a great Diesel vehicle is one that is good to you and makes you money. Ford, GM or Dodge, they all sell lots of trucks for good reasons. Great video as always Gale!
I don’t care what the brand is. Power stroke-duramax-Cummins-cat-Detroit any of the diesels made. Why don’t manufacturers just use the straight six platform for diesels. Isn’t straight six better in every way?? Isn’t that why semi trucks run straight six?? More torque at lower rpm’s. Better fuel mileage. 40 percent less moving parts to wear out. I’m just an ole retired welder. This is a serious question. Please no brand wars. V8 platform vs straight six platform is my question. I’d love Mr Banks to also respond. Take care all.
In a pick-up truck, the V-8 is 8 or 9 inches shorter than the same displacement L-6, so there's more room in the cab and for cargo. That's why Ford & Chevy use V-8. The L-6 has two less cylinders, so costs less to produce, but needs more cylinder displacement to have comparable torque to the V-8s it competes against and so suffers on power a bit.
I know it is cool to see the maximized space utilization and obviously CAD Design potential, but I am a big fan of Keep it simple smarta$$! Gale, I would look for someone else to reassemble that mess also, after having the fun of taking it apart! Thank you for the inside look at what the engine designers are doing there at Ford. They must have a lot of fun working there as they ponder what the technician forced to repair that design has to go through and the choice of words, they would have to describe it! Happy Mother's Day!
So informative content Gail Banks. I could learn, listen, and watch for hours and only wish I had the resources that are available today 37 years ago.... keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing just a little bit of your knowledge with those who want to really want to truly understand ICE....😂
You should do this with fords 2.7 ecoboost. I heard it’s basically a diesel. And how they’re able to make 163hp per liter. Also made of compacted graphite iron. The only of the big 3 to have that capability. Also crack capped/offset rods.
@@sprint2648 it’s extremely reliable with the direct and port injection, variable timing chain, unique intake manifold etc especially making that much power per liter. It’s amazing they make an engine like a reliable diesel and boom you get a reliable gasser 😂
Ford finally built a diesel engine that was not complete junk!! The 7.3 was an awesome motor but built by International. Then ford says hey lets build our own....here comes the 6.0 grenade lol yes the 6.0 can be reliable after bulletproofing but not stock! So ford says hey u think the 6.0 was junk hold my beer 🍺 we get the 6.4 technically built by Navistar wich cannot even be bulletproof it's just a disposable engine another failure. Finally here comes the 6.7 and it's turned out to be a good reliable powerful motor!! us ford guys went decades without a good diesel between the 7.3 and the 6.7. great video
Ford still doesn't have a good diesel. 6.7L Powerstroke is still the worst of the 3. Has a ton of issues. Not just the huge grenade sitting in between the heads
@@countcuda70 oh wow that sucks. i know 2 people that have the 6.7 and so far they love them but time will tell. part of the problem is def emissions even new Kenworth trucks are having problems but the old pre def trucks in our fleet are so reliable and tough. the newer Kenworths are always broke down usally emissions related
Do some basic research. Both the 6.0 and 6.4 wre designed by navistar/international. Navistar dropped the ball, twice. Ford had enough, and designed the 6.7, and never looked back. That was 13 years ago.
@@riogrande163 AVL an Austrian design company designed the Powerstroke for Ford in 2006. They have CP4 injection pump issues, fuel filter issues, early turbo issues, oiling issues to list a couple
@@riogrande163 Navistar also built the 6.0 why in God's name would they go back to them for the 6.4 that's the dumbest thing they could have done. I miss the 7.3
I know what you mean, but if you learn the 6.0 and remove the problems, you have a stout engine that simply lasts. I'm still hauling and ballin up grades where nice shiny new trucks are broken down 👍🏼 I would say the difference is "built, not bought" though.. 👌🏼
absolutely baffling how far ford went on the 6.7 design the sheer ammount of technology and development on every single part of this engine shows how much they were willing to push the limits of technology and seeing Gale`s amusement when analysing it is incredible as well
This is sooo interesting! It's nothing short of amazing how you are able to explain complex systems and principles in a way that is fairly easy for a layman to understand. Also your enthusiasm is very evident and inspiring! Not sure if you read these comments and this is off topic here I know. I'm putting together a 5.9 24v and based on what I've seen on the Tube I'm planning on using a compound turbo set up. Daily driver and occasional equipment hauler.. Any thoughts on the compounds? New to the channel and loving it!👊
I had a 2012 with that engine and loved it. I now have a 2024 with the descendant engine and it isn’t nearly as fun. I’m looking forward to the follow on!
Ford hasn’t won any awards in my books for a long time. Dodge has had some gems I’ll put chev second. Hard to beat the impressive muscle cars Dodge had, some of the best.
Thank you, Gale I’ve been a Ford fan in my whole life, but I also do love my brothers Duramax. Ford engines have become complicated similar to European engines but run amazing and make a ton of power like everything else. Maintenance is key.
I’ve learned more in 20 minutes about the engine in my truck than I have in 10 years. Thanks Gail!
GALE... Gail is a woman's name.
Have you learned how much carbon builds up in the throttle body? How about coolant leaking into the exhaust from a bad seals on the EGR cooler? Oil leaking down the driverside of the block because it is running out of the crankcase filter? Lol
@@M4A3if you don’t take care of your shit the upper oil pan gasket seal only blows if you let your CCV box clog up
@@M4A3 and the 2011 through 16 models don’t have the filter CCV box so you don’t even have to change them out so they don’t blow up for seals on these models
@jakethesk8roberts763 11 to 16 are the worst for running oil down the side. No, it doesn't have the element you can change out. You're supposed to change the whole unit. We put new ones on any trucks with 6.7's that come in for refurbish.
The only one that can have this brand new engine sit for a decade and then remind us that his parts are still better. Absolute legend.
At marketing maybe...
@@dozerboyd8784 banks?
@yellowrhyno who else.
Just how casual he says hopefully it’s fed by a Banks Ram system while breaking down a motor says so much about his ability to be a salesman as well as a professional builder
You missed legend
@@justinblain1125I’ll give him this he isn’t a horsepower legend but just knowledge and his understanding of how everything works has been unbeaten by what I’ve seen
@michaelf.2449 he can pull more power out of a motor and have it last longer then anyone you personally know. Just so you know maybe go do some homework on this man and then start running your jibbs
@@justinblain1125 is that so? Where’s his 1/4 record? Nothing wrong with what I said it’s the truth. He’s smart and knows his shit but hasn’t been relevant for horsepower records in a decade
He’s going for longevity records! Reliable towing and improved performance with longevity are his main claims to fame and I’m pretty sure he’s unmatched in these categories.
The internet truly is amazing; we have Gale sharing his knowledge for free! Thanks Gale!
It doesn't matter what he is talking about, he makes everything incredibly interesting
amen, Gale has always been a legend, in another life he would have been that shop teacher a million performance mechanics protégés idolised.
That's what makes a teacher a great one, being able to break down the topic into easy understandable information. No fluff, no confusions, just clear, concise, easy to understand information.
i hate v8's , im an obnoxious 12valve owner , and i watched the whole video. gale Banks is good at grabbing your attention and teaching good
I love that Gale just casually drops “OG” in a video.
I'm happy to see you finally analyzing this engine family. I have owned a 2013 and now have a 2017 and they run with excellent manners and pull very well.
I have seen comments on other channels that you are not the Granddaddy of Diesel performance, but I have never seen anybody else do a teardown and step by step explain the how and why the way you do, you are the the Guru in my eyes.
to hear Mr. Banks praise a ford engineering design multiple times and be impressed is a thing of beauty. i cant wait for the tear down of the 2024 scorpion H.O. engine to see the updated turbo, and steel pistons..then we wanna see Gale push one to its limits and see what are the failure points.
I would rather see him run Speed of air pistons and tune it so the after treatment is not needed so we gain reliability.
I’ve worked on the stamping dies that make these rocker arms. They are a work of art.
Toledo?
i love the long form videos with deep technical details :) thanks a lot Mr. Banks and co
Love hearing him talk. You know he's knowledgeable about not just engine performance but the true engineering behind it. And he's not just reading off a script. Very few "car" people on TH-cam can do that.
GALE the legend is gonna walk through a tear down with me. dreams do come true.
Was always waiting for this genious guy to dissect one of these. Im not a huge diesel fan..But when this guy talks . Its time to LISTEN...
The Ford F650/F750 from 2016 and Ford preform very well with this engine, I've replaced a few due to the Crankcase filter getting clogged and causing a high crankcase pressure that either cause oil leaks, blowing a turbocharger and burning all the oil in the sump. Have to pay attention to those little things, but I have one in the shop with 700k plus on it only in for a high pressure fuel pump on original engine!
700k. That’s child’s play for a Cummins.
@winstonholmes5566 I've seen good and bad cummins, presently have an ISB that dropped a valve, and it only had 39k on it. Is that childs play?
It's all about maintenance and also there are always some that come with a defect or issue from the manufacturer. Cummins are ok older ones I think were a little better but the rest of the truck is garbage and gonna fall apart plus your gonna have to rebuild the trans and front end every 70K. I saw a F550 come in with the early model 6.7 had 1.5 million on it stock block and heads.
Look at the cost to mileage ratio for each engine, or yearly maintenance costs. The Cummins is going to have an far lower failure rate and costs and go way longer.
@@thahitman2once you build the transmission properly with good parts and shift kit that’s it for life. As for front end they all break and the dodge ones are easy and fast to work on. No stupid vacuum hubs.
After driving Cummins Rams for 12 years I just bought a 6.7 powerstroke and now this video is scaring the crap out of me! That 6.7 is a COMPLICATED beast! Love Banks' description and walk through, the man clearly knows what he's talking about. Much respect.
I just went from a ram to a 6.7l.. I couldn't believe the power and mpg.
@@learningthehardway What are you talking about? You realize you said nothing useful?
Ford had a voluntary update for the early 6.7 engines that they would reflash them for the higher hp/tq levels. I have an extremely early '11 (made June 2010) that got the update. They look complicated, but they're a dream to work on vs. the navistar 6.0/6.4 engines.
And you don’t have to worry about the 6.7 staying in running shape after you fix it.
I don't care what Ford does or had done from 2011 forward. What they did to honest, hardworking truck and business owners like myself for the 10 years before is borderline criminal. The 6 leaker problems were bad enough...but Ford proclaimed loud and clear "The problems are fixed. The 6.4 is bulletproof!" Many of us took their word for it and lost our shirts. My 100% stock, babied truck had problems it's whole life while getting 8-9 mpg towing a 5000lb work trailer. It cost me a fortune in lost work, tows and fuel etc. 3 months after paying it off at 104K miles just out of warranty it became a mechanical salvage when #7 went soft. My accountant and I for fun decided to figure out what owning that truck for 6 years cost me. (Not including the truck and normal maintenance,.) Just shy of $70,000! Lost work, repairs, doubled fuel cost etc.(Used to get 16-18mpg towing same trailer with a Cummins.) not counting the damage done to my business reputation for delayed work and/or no shows as I sat on the side of the road.
Ford fought me every step of the way. Made me wait for weeks to approve warranty work that should have just been "done". Ford motor credit are also crooks - but that's subject for another thread. We won't get into the 3v 5.4 in an F150 I had that locked up at 114K miles because the cam phaser fell apart while spinning 2500 rpm on the highway. Another worthless boat anchor. I take excellent care of all my vehicles with regular maintenance beyond recommendation so it's not that at all. I don't care if their new motor crapped gold bars, I'll never set foot in a Ford dealership long as I live.
What made you choose ford to begin with
On top of all that they are selling some of their “consumer” models for nearly 100K dollars. And then they don’t work as advertised.
In Iowa, farmers who owned Ford trucks could not get warranty repairs. Forcing the farmers to buy Dodge trucks just to get by.
Ford went so far as ignoring phone calls from farmers.
Idk why any Farmer would ever but a Ford truck again.
Just amazing for Ford to ignore warranty claims. Smh
We have a 23 7.3 gas at work and it's an absolute nightmare. Unusable.
could be part of the half a billion bite ford took out of navistar and the introduction of the scorpion. Had a 6.0 F550, so derated to 300hp, applied updates as they came out for standpipes, hpop sealing, all really trivial repairs in the driveway, rolled on to 300k before a sleeping driver totalled it while parked. Only time it 'failed' the injector computer power wire chafed and broke. 99 7.3 is running well and replacement 6.7 seems content hauling.
Holy freaking complexity Batman. That thing looks like it would absolutely suck to work on. Impressive though.
Can confirm...
IMO it looks simpler when it’s apart than when it’s put together, but to each their own.
Can confirm it’s diagnostic complexity but I love my money maker powerstrokes
These engines are cake to work on, much better than the two previous navistar bastard cousins
They design them so you won't want to work on them yourself.
I know nothing about motors, Nothing , This guy makes me want to learn more. He is an awesome teacher with the ability to keep everything interesting.
Oh man, it would be so cool to just listen to Gale just chat about what kind of stuff he likes while sipping a cup of coffee. Such a cool guy; So much knowledge.
Mr. Banks, you are a legend, Sir. The automotove aftermarket would not be the same without you. The decades of knowledge and love for anything mechanical shows in all of your videos. I was psyched to see you find your way to You Tube so we can all have the access to that genius mind of yours. This was another great video, just like all the others. 👍
Long overdue, but glad to see the video Banks. The 6.7 Ford is a pretty interesting motor.
Gale, you're a legend, thanks for a lifetime of service!!!
Excellent video, many thanks to you Mr. Gale Banks for taking us through a very thorough analysis of this incredible FORD engine 🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
I remember getting a late 2011 forestry truck. It was a big step up from my previous 2008 6.4 PS. That thing also got like 25mpg highway
Ole Mike gonna stay busy while Mr. Banks stays curious 😂😂 Great vid, looking forward to more breakdowns of the big 3 diesel engines like this 👍
Your wisdom, gained from decades of experience, is priceless. Great video, great work. Keep up the good work.
Wow been a long time since I went into sponge mode and got some Banks school'in on engine tech. Just amazing when Gale does each and every video. Thank you Sir.
Gail has rules that dictate good vs. bad design. I watch, I listen, I learn from these rules, and his guided tour through a given engine. Gail proves his rules to be absolutely correct, pointing to tested results while doing his analysis of any given engine. I love the fact that Banks has no brand bias and that he calls it as he sees it, according to his hard and fast proven rules. I truly enjoy his videos. This one, in particular, was very interesting. There are so many design differences than engines I'm used to seeing, and a great explanation of why.
Love that you are spending some time on the Scorpion Engine! I hope you continue to share Hi performance tech goodies for all versions. Thanks Gale!
This man is a legend! I hope someone can follow in this guys footsteps steps years down the road
This man is an absolute gem.Imagine the engine this man could build.
That double lifter design is really, really interesting. Those style HVAs have been used in a huge number of European (and now pretty much all) engines over the years with great success, but I never expected to see them packaged into a roller lifter body!
I’ve been waiting for this for a VERY long time and I’m glad this is finally happening
Gale I'd love to see you do a review of the dimpled pistons! No one can call bullshit like you can, we need to know!
Every time I watch a Gale Banks video the importance of actually understanding what does what before screwing around with things you don’t understand receives yet another underline.
I always love how Gale will take you back in time with some of the most simple components. It tickles me since I'm still dealing with military Avionics from the 60s lol (new platforms as well) . I have to look up the many years of standards changes for SAE, axial tolerances for ball bearings down to 1/1000th of an inch etc. He speaks my language and I enjoy how he explains everything. I could just listen to this guy talk forever.
I feel much better about my purchase. Amazing to see all these components apart. Thanks for making this video.
Simple when banks uploads a video I watch 😂
I LOVE detailed tear down videos like this. Thankyou so much for posting stuff like this.
THANK YOU!!! Ford treats everything about this platform like its sorcery majic only available to its sorcerers. What’s the deck height? What’s the max over bore? Can it be bored out for wet sleeves? Cam specs? Etc.
Eventually I, or someone faster with more money, is going to bore one out, sleeve it, and run Cummins 6.7 pistons for 7.75 liters or Duramax pistons for just around 7 liters. Sled pulls here I come!
Cummins is still no.
1. Ford dumping navstar, and making their own engine, was a great decision
Cant wait for the 2024. Will be really interesting to see how its changed internally as the've learnt about the platform and needed to make more power. Cheers Gale
Better flowing heads, steel pistons, better rods, and a different crank. Different turbo and a few small things as well.
Worked EMS at that time and we were looking at new ambulances, talked to several services that had purchased trucks already. All of them that had purchased the Fords had them in the shop more than working. We bought a Ram, loved that truck.
I got to tour the banks facility during college when I took an internal combustion engine class at cal poly Pomona. Really sad I never got to meet Gale. An amazing man that has done tremendous things for the industry
Wow, I've never seen an EGT sensor in the position in the Bank 1 exhaust manifold. I wonder if the engine was a prototype
He said he received this engine in 2010 so it’s very possible
Turn this into a series with every motor!!
And I'm still driving my 96 2500 12 valve Cummins with 448,000 miles with Banks Twin-Ram intake manifold. Thank you Gail.
Gale Banks is one of the geniuses of our time. Always logical thinking.
Gale,
The main thing I think of when watching this isn't why did it take you so long to tell us about the powerstroke compared to the isuzu that you normally talk about. Ohh...sorry Duramax, General motors "name".
Who is going to do the explaining next? The legacy you are leaving is incredible. Thank you for all you have done for us who are hot rodders/motorheads. I recently purchased a 6.0L powerstroke excursion, and I can see the appeal and the reservation. My current thoughts are on swapping the body to modern 350 or 450 powertrain and chassis due to the improvements the automotive industry has made overtime.
Without your explanation of how these motors are designed, and the engineering improvements and challenges, I would have many more questions than I do. Thank you!!! Keep up the great work. And I thank you again you remind me of my grandfather, my wife and I discuss the differences between your generation and my own. I belive you to be, in the post war generation, and I am the middle of the millenials.
Your contribution to modern day tech is fantastic and I thank you. My grandfather had a video recoder, yes shoulder carried camera. As soon as he the video recorder, he walk around the city documenting how technology allowed them to reline the septic system in the 2000's.
Thank you Gale, you are an example of the generation that has lead the way.
Let’s get More 6.7 powerstroke videos going!!!!
i was truly impressed by this engine and the thought that went into it ford really learned from the 6.0 and the 6.4 and they came up with a truly innovative an good design the amount of power achieved on this platform is incredible
Well international/navastar made the 7.3,6.0 and 6.4, this is the first ford built power stroke and they did a pretty damn good job
@@isaacmayer9723 very true the 6.7 is truly amazing in everything it’s achieved with its design an simplicity
@@mydogpeaches1 yeah definitely, and simple but also very complex in the right spots, it’s crazy how similar it is a duramax, one reason the exhaust manifolds are in the valley was because of they were on the outside of the heads it could have impeded on GMs patents
With the 6.7 and the 5.0 coyote ford has really put worked chevy. People may not like to here it but they are hands down the best engines in their categories.
Especially when you consider how good the Coyote is at not putting out the wrong kind of emissions. Ford can keep using the coyote for the foreseeable market. The LT engines are amazing for power too, but they're a little dirtier in the amount of hydrocarbons they put off. Dodge has the same problem, which is why they had to buy all those environmental credits from tesla and still had to pay a fine at the end of 2023. Gm and ford had fines too but dodges' were the worst. It's what pushed them to move to the new Hurricane 3.0L so soon. Tbh I don't know all the science going into it, but MotoIQ has a video where he talks about how the design of the piston plays a pretty big role in how the engine creates emissions, and why cars designed for turbocharging happen to be really good at making power without making as much pollution as its horsepower equivalent NA V8
5 L has plenty of issues and it's absolutely not competitive at all as far as I'm concerned. The good news though is it is one of the best Motors Ford has to offer except for Godzilla at this point. The ecobust is a disaster
@ashes2ashes863 it does have problems and so does the 5.3. But they are for 200k or even 300k miles, them make significantly more stock power than a 5.3, and the fact that you can just slap a Whipple on the stock bottom end and cams and make almost 800hp nothing chevy or dodge makes can compete with that. And that's on the stock transmission too.
@@FinishedProject back to different. The short block of an LS is significantly stronger even in the 4.8 form turn the 5 L is. It's also significantly cheaper to get horsepower out of and 6.2 L variant takes up physically half the space the 5-liter does despite being significantly more capable. Horsepower wise, I wouldn't call 17 horsepower significantly more at all in fact they need more RPM to make the torque curve of the 5.3 L and had insulted injury the 5.3 L is generally set up to be a fuel Miser where is the 5 L Ford is absolutely not. The 5.3 GM V8 is definitely the most efficient V8 and has been for a long time now period and it's not by a little bit, it's significant. Also despite the 5.3 having issues with the lifters, they are still many many many many many many more of them on the road with significantly high mileage. The 5 L not so much. I mean the old 5 liter, but not the new one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crapping on that motor, I think it's one of the best things Ford has to offer, I certainly think of the service is credit. Quite frankly if money was no issue I would have an orange five leader Mustang in my garage right next to a blue Camaro. And I would be perfectly content with that because they're both actually quite different.
Don't forget they're amazing new 7.3 l and 6.8 l Godzilla. Those motors seem to be the best gassers available today
Gale thanks for making this video. I'm not a diesel fan; however I do admire the creativity, thought and engineering that went into this engine.
I heard these engines takes a few seconds for the oil system to build pressure each time it fires and that lead to premature turbo and cam/rod bearing failures. Any input on that?
Hopefully it won’t take another 14 years before we get that video.😁
Always great to hear the engineering that goes into things (or at least “what were they thinking”).
The crazy part is your looking at 13 year old technology
For an IC engine that's like state of the art
Class b was crazy too bad it wasn’t feasible
That's because the diesels today suck ass....
@davelowets well there you go, design something better and you'll make a fortune.
@@davelowetsactually they are great, emissions are even coming along finally
I loved watching this video and learning about the 2011 Scorpion! I can't wait for the 2024 engine video!
I've watched all of the Banks Power vids...I now have a PhD in all things Diesel. :)
Awesome video Gale. So much passion, information, history and that is one clean shop! I have a degree in aerospace engineering but was never really a "car guy". I drive a 1993 toyota with a 3 litre 4 cylinder turbo diesel... I don't think it looks like this inside!
That turbo is a work of art.
Gale your one cool ol fella. I sure wished you was my buddy I’d never be bored 😂 Your ability to break things down for us common ppl to understand is unrivaled by anyone.
Visual Smoke ring effect when he says smoke bump at 7:50. Lol
I could listen to Gale all day, I can only imagine the way engineers must feel working with him on a daily basis, I'm sure they're absolutely delighted to be working with a legend! Looking forward to the next installment. Would also love to see this type of presentation on the Cummins.
Forgot to mention the oil drain issue were it takes around 6 seconds to get oil to the valve train unless you out a check valve in the oil tube unless ford did fix that problem. Love your videos especially this kind thank you very much!!!!!!!! On a side note you need to get with McFarland racing and teach them how to tune a 7.3 power stroke they seem to think its good to run black smoke out the exhaust!!!!!!!!! It kills me watching them kill my favorite diesel!!!!!
Stop watching Dave’s auto… engineers that watched that video all collectively cringed, followed by a massive eye roll. Dude is selling you solutions to non problems. (The sheared pin duramax “failure” is another favorite)
I'll have to look that one up
@@ThePickler61was thinking the same thing.
I used to play online with a Taiwanese Ford Powertrain Engineer who lived near Rouge River, MI in that time frame of the diesel power wars. He was let go in 2021 and moved back to Taipei.
Thank you for the amazing videos. You are a legend sir.
Had some stuff for gale going through the warehouse today!!! I took great care of it unloading it with a forklift 😎
Any opinion on speed of air pistons Mr. Gale?
One thing to add on the oiling system on these motors, watch Daves Auto video on the 6.7 powersteoke. He came up with a solution for the oil drainback issue these motors have. 5-8 seconds to get oil pressure to turbo after starting. It was a good watch. Im assuming its a check ball or something along that line.
Or just put your foot to the floor before you turn the key, and it won't start.... crank it until the oil pressure comes up, and then let your foot off the pedal and it will then immediately start with oil pressure
It would be amazing to see what Gale could do with a gen 4 coyote platform. Lots of people are doing them but I gave yet to hear one person talk about air density!
i laughed when he called mike at the end of the video! Even though I don't understand anything, it's very fascinating to watch from start to finish about some strange technology.
The most important thing to me is durability. I’m not racing, I’m pulling a trailer.
Well good thing the 6.7 is looking like it’s very very durable
@@Freshprankstv1 I have a 5.9 Cummins. Great engine.
@@Freshprankstv1 Nothing ford is durable.
@@Failure_Is_An_Option That's just ignorant. I don't know much about the diesels, but Ford has made some of the most reliable/durable gas engines ever throughout the years.
@@dooby1445the 6.0 beggs to differ an the many ford gasser motors do to
I love all types of Diesel engines but anytime I see a V-8 Diesel it looks so overly complicated compared to an inline 6 engine. More complex, more parts, less room to service being a V engine etc. Ford built that engine from scratch and I'm surprised they didn't try an inline 6 configuration. Their is a reason most Diesels are inline 6 in trucks. I guess Ford just wanted to stick with the V-8 because that's what they have always done and if they had done inline 6 people might thought of they copying Dodge/Cummins? No doubt this engine is a master piece and a lot of design went into building it. End of the day a great Diesel vehicle is one that is good to you and makes you money. Ford, GM or Dodge, they all sell lots of trucks for good reasons. Great video as always Gale!
I'll take a V-8 anyday....
I don’t care what the brand is. Power stroke-duramax-Cummins-cat-Detroit any of the diesels made. Why don’t manufacturers just use the straight six platform for diesels. Isn’t straight six better in every way?? Isn’t that why semi trucks run straight six?? More torque at lower rpm’s. Better fuel mileage. 40 percent less moving parts to wear out. I’m just an ole retired welder. This is a serious question. Please no brand wars. V8 platform vs straight six platform is my question. I’d love Mr Banks to also respond. Take care all.
In a pick-up truck, the V-8 is 8 or 9 inches shorter than the same displacement L-6, so there's more room in the cab and for cargo. That's why Ford & Chevy use V-8. The L-6 has two less cylinders, so costs less to produce, but needs more cylinder displacement to have comparable torque to the V-8s it competes against and so suffers on power a bit.
V8 sounds a million times better
@@jttcotm318 serious question. If straight 6 has a harder time to produce power and torque why don’t semis run v8’s?
If they all made straight 6 diesels, They wouldn't break as often, Big 3 wouldn't make as much money...
@@infoatbonhardcomputing2639if you like the sound 😄
I know it is cool to see the maximized space utilization and obviously CAD Design potential, but I am a big fan of Keep it simple smarta$$! Gale, I would look for someone else to reassemble that mess also, after having the fun of taking it apart!
Thank you for the inside look at what the engine designers are doing there at Ford. They must have a lot of fun working there as they ponder what the technician forced to repair that design has to go through and the choice of words, they would have to describe it! Happy Mother's Day!
When he lifted that valve cover up it looked like opening a piano. Great stuff.
Grand piano sir, a Steinway!
So informative content Gail Banks. I could learn, listen, and watch for hours and only wish I had the resources that are available today 37 years ago.... keep up the good work, and thanks for sharing just a little bit of your knowledge with those who want to really want to truly understand ICE....😂
You should do this with fords 2.7 ecoboost. I heard it’s basically a diesel. And how they’re able to make 163hp per liter.
Also made of compacted graphite iron. The only of the big 3 to have that capability.
Also crack capped/offset rods.
Yeah that engine is overlooked. Seems to be very reliable
I’m digging mine so far, even on the super crew the thing rips
Everyone who’s had one, seems to love them.
@@sprint2648 it’s extremely reliable with the direct and port injection, variable timing chain, unique intake manifold etc especially making that much power per liter.
It’s amazing they make an engine like a reliable diesel and boom you get a reliable gasser 😂
Need that Fusion Sport with that Freakoboost
I’ve always been intrigued by how they engineered the reverse heads on a 6.7. This explains it all!
I never thought I would heard Gale say “it’s time to blow a Ford apart”
Excellent instruction. THE BEST I have seen for a long time. Thank you!!!
Ford finally built a diesel engine that was not complete junk!! The 7.3 was an awesome motor but built by International. Then ford says hey lets build our own....here comes the 6.0 grenade lol yes the 6.0 can be reliable after bulletproofing but not stock! So ford says hey u think the 6.0 was junk hold my beer 🍺 we get the 6.4 technically built by Navistar wich cannot even be bulletproof it's just a disposable engine another failure. Finally here comes the 6.7 and it's turned out to be a good reliable powerful motor!! us ford guys went decades without a good diesel between the 7.3 and the 6.7. great video
Ford still doesn't have a good diesel. 6.7L Powerstroke is still the worst of the 3. Has a ton of issues. Not just the huge grenade sitting in between the heads
@@countcuda70 oh wow that sucks. i know 2 people that have the 6.7 and so far they love them but time will tell. part of the problem is def emissions even new Kenworth trucks are having problems but the old pre def trucks in our fleet are so reliable and tough. the newer Kenworths are always broke down usally emissions related
Do some basic research.
Both the 6.0 and 6.4 wre designed by navistar/international.
Navistar dropped the ball, twice.
Ford had enough, and designed the 6.7, and never looked back. That was 13 years ago.
@@riogrande163 AVL an Austrian design company designed the Powerstroke for Ford in 2006. They have CP4 injection pump issues, fuel filter issues, early turbo issues, oiling issues to list a couple
@@riogrande163 Navistar also built the 6.0 why in God's name would they go back to them for the 6.4 that's the dumbest thing they could have done. I miss the 7.3
Been watching Mr. Gale since early 2000s. He is an absolute LEGEND and national treasure.
I quit Ford after the 6.0 and 6.4 fiasco. Never looked back.
I know what you mean, but if you learn the 6.0 and remove the problems, you have a stout engine that simply lasts. I'm still hauling and ballin up grades where nice shiny new trucks are broken down 👍🏼 I would say the difference is "built, not bought" though.. 👌🏼
absolutely baffling how far ford went on the 6.7 design the sheer ammount of technology and development on every single part of this engine shows how much they were willing to push the limits of technology and seeing Gale`s amusement when analysing it is incredible as well
7:24 crazy how when he says smoke bump, it looks like smoke comes out of his mouth🤣
great catch! 😆🤣👍
"you gotta fill all of this with boost pressure before the engine responds"
Naturally aspirated diesels: are you sure about that
That's cause they edited in there.😂
This is sooo interesting!
It's nothing short of amazing how you are able to explain complex systems and principles in a way that is fairly easy for a layman to understand. Also your enthusiasm is very evident and inspiring!
Not sure if you read these comments and this is off topic here I know. I'm putting together a 5.9 24v and based on what I've seen on the Tube I'm planning on using a compound turbo set up. Daily driver and occasional equipment hauler.. Any thoughts on the compounds?
New to the channel and loving it!👊
Can't believe how bad GM crapped the bed with the current Duramax.
I can’t believe GM in general anymore, plus the new small blocks Chevy coming I wonder “what” they will add or change that was unnecessary
I had a 2012 with that engine and loved it. I now have a 2024 with the descendant engine and it isn’t nearly as fun. I’m looking forward to the follow on!
Ford has been beating GM since the beginning of time
Lmao
@@jasoneardley2202 because people are cheap and they are dime a dozen
The Dodge Daytona couldn’t hear you way back there. Or the Cummins 1 million plus miles ahead of you.
@@jasoneardley2202not sure where you headed with your response. I was talking about how Ford wasn’t the king since the beginning of time.
Ford hasn’t won any awards in my books for a long time. Dodge has had some gems I’ll put chev second. Hard to beat the impressive muscle cars Dodge had, some of the best.
Thank you, Gale I’ve been a Ford fan in my whole life, but I also do love my brothers Duramax. Ford engines have become complicated similar to European engines but run amazing and make a ton of power like everything else. Maintenance is key.
I still think the Duramax is the way to go
Absolutely! 6.7L Powerstroke is a nightmare!
Any merit to that or you just because you like it?
@@kyles7584 I have a lot of experience replacing these engines in Ford trucks. They're a good money maker.
Same here I’ll stick with my duramax s … had ford … GM runs broke
Amazing video. Thanks Gale and team. Love and prayers from Australia.
Old tech can still be cool as you have just proved. Thanks for an informative 26 mins.
I will stay with Cummins.
😂 no kidding. My 5.9 is so easy to work on it just doesn’t make sense to give it up.
This man is a living legend! He pulls no punches.
Oh no poor mike
Packaging Constraints control design. Thanks for the education