In this case you really have to think critically though. From the perspective of the commonwealth, the Jedi did far more bad than good. They kidnapped children, enforced unjust sanctions (as mentioned in the video) and were followed by war and death that usually had the greatest impact on the everyday people. Hey but at least the brought us supplies after natural disasters and did a little conflict resolution...... when we weren't collateral damage in their holy wars, that is.
Lol... what the hell just happened in these comments? This grant kid sure has some anger and comprehension issues. Clueless people like this is how populist crooks like Sidious get voted into office isn't it? Shame.
Goddam, this is why Star Wars is really interesting. It's exactly how real life can be. Betrayal, scapegoats, want of power, manipulation...scary stuff.
This is why Luke Skywalker's jedi order (in legends) is so loved he made the new order almost completely separate from the new republic and therefore allowed the jedi to instead of depending on the elite to solve problems They connected and went to the people to solve problems in each region or homeworld (to the point where there were more than 4 different Jedi temples to help do this) so the jedi instead of looking like isolated monks that solved major conflicts they were actually peace keepers that went out to solve any problems both in global or galactic scale and civil and local ones
I'd go as far as saying that luke's jedi order is not even a Jedi Order. The only thing in common is that they are light side force users. Luke's Order is much better and less corrupt
@@nielsdejong in real life it's idiotic to presume that any single person can be a little angel who dispenses godly gifts left a d right. However, this is Star Wars - an advanced galactic government with the industrial capacity to easily produce more medicine than there is mass on the world it's being sent to. There are trillions and trillions of stars, remember. Also, Jedi powers are rather powerful. It's really not all that out-there to have forces of good going around saving everyone like a fairy tale.
Now we have Luke’s NEW Jedi Order which... doesn’t exist anymore... and never really did anything in the first place... Wow, thanks Disney. How imaginative and inspiring.... 🙄
The Jedi Council: "As keepers of the peace, we must protect the innocent, and do what we can to help those in need." Anakin: "Can I go to Tatooine and free my mom and others from the horrors of slavery?" The Jedi Council: "You can't let your personal feelings get in your way, and that's not our problem." Anakin: "._."
"The Jedi... The Sith... You don't get it, do you? To the Galaxy, they're the same thing: Men and women with too much power, squabbling over religion, while the rest of us burn!" - Atton Rand
@@alkirk5748 looking how the Disney trilogy did it, it wouldn’t had matter at all considering the dark side and light side would still exist I like to take a quote from a Revan fan film “the Jedi and Sith split the force into light and dark it will be here long after all those clans are gone.” Besides there are different sect of force users who not Jedi or Sith for example the knights of zakuul from the eternal empire.
@@alkirk5748 no galaxy would be close to end by: Vong Abeloth Mandalorians they Are example but there Is still many things that could unbalance galaxy.
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I wanna like but I have no clue what this comment is. Oh, don't worry, I'm not an idiot from reddit. I'm not going to whoosh you and make you look dumb in order to save face. I'm genuinely confused, can someone explain?
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@ Hate to bring it to you, but people often are this way. I like how you try to live on the positive side, but sadly, reality is just very disappointing...
@@Wanderer628 More or less. However, I do get it in lots of cases. Mostly this hate is towards specific officers or after specific incidents... Not saying every officer/soldier is bad nor am I saying that they are always responsible for something that happens (example: in Belgium a child died a while ago, an illegal immigrant, after she got shot. She and some others were hiding in a truck, during a chase the officer started shooting at the truck and hit the child on accident, how sad it is, the officer can't be held responsible. Hell, those parents even almost killed the child before when hiding in a freezer thing of a truck...) But, I do understand that people hate officers like the Spanish who were send to Catalonia (seriously, throwing an old man of a stairs, because he was simply voting for something that was unofficial... I get that they wanted to prove a no is a no, but that was too far and then the king dares to say "They just did their duties.". May those officers and the king die a slow and painful death, I don't even care who they are.)
In my opinion there are two things that brought the Jedi to that state: 1. They served the (by the time of the Clone Wars) by now corrupted Republic instead of making efforts to bring corrupted government officials to justice, whether it is by proving them guilty to the court or simply taking them down. 2. They were indeed somewhat disconnected from simple citizens that they actually should have cared about the most. Had they provided more humanitarian support by, for instance, setting up free clinics, been more involved with hunting down criminals, they would have gained support from more people across the Galaxy.
For your first part, keep in mind that everyone thought the jedi were too involved in politics so trying to bring down a corrupt official would only worsen ppl’s views of them
@@its-a-mac3348 Not if this official is proven guilty or taken down silently, without any hint that it were the Jedi who did this. And here is another point why the Jedi Order crumbled so easily: they lacked their own intelligence and should have had more extensive covert activity.
Another thing is that Jedi overly militarized when they should have allowed and encouraged peaceful actions. Think of how being in the agricultural corp is treated as a punishment and Jedi didn’t really have any way of sending suggestions to the council by themselves or anonymously
This is why I love Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order (in legends). He wanted his New Jedi to get directly involved with the people, not the politics, of different worlds and to get to know all sides of the Force, not just the light side.
Even thoe I dislike the Jedi and Sith me I'd be more aligned with the Sith because at least they are honest of what they do unlike the Jedi who pretend to be your friends then stab you in the back to keep from rising up the ranks because they want to protect thier country club atmosphere
That's a nice piece of rhetoric, but it doesn't make any sense. Some people respected the Jedi, but most didn't really give a shit. There are quadrillions of people in the galaxy on tens of thousands of planets. They have work to do, families to provide for, things to do. Do you really think any of them at all cared about the Jedi?
Jen'ari-asha they cared about the jedi if they need them for knowledge or protection either way just gotta have respect for them a long time ago they was just peace keepers not generals the peace keepers at the time was respected
No. No. Not really. The Jedi refuse to share any knowledge, they're too few in numbers to offer any practical protection to everyone in the galaxy and no one is going to respect them just because they may have been cool a few thousand years ago. (Case and point. Macedonia)
That was an impressively realistic analysis of how the public might view the jedi's actions. Thankyou for making this excellent video! I very much enjoyed watching it, and thinking about its implications :)
Palpatine only gave the final blow. The Jedi's downfall was their arrogance, narrowmindedness, stagnation and corruption. With or without Palpy, the Jedi would fall anyways. Jedi and Sith are extremists: The Jedi embody extreme logic and the Sith embody extreme emotions. There must be always a balance.
I only ask because I see lots of people say that the Jedi were evil towards Anakin, and while they failed him, I do also believe they didn't do it intentionally. Plus, by Episode 3, Yoda and others were beginning to see the flaws in the Order, and wished to correct them after the war. Palps was the driving factor in their fall, however, of that I am sure.
Jedi's ignorance towards Sith and the dark side seems to be one of their downfalls. Instead of trying to learn from them, or at least spread the word of dangers of the dark side, the history of the sith was practically erased. How was anyone supposed to take Jedi's quest against Sith seriously, when they didn't even know what Sith were.
The problem lies in the fact that the Jedi tend to assume that the Sith are gone for good every time they were defeated. They assumed this after the Old Sith Empire was destroyed, after the reconstituted Sith Empire was defeated, after the Brotherhood of Darkness was destroyed thanks to Darth Bane's plot, after they killed the presumed last Sith Lord (who was actually Darth Zannah's cousin that was driven insane), etc... And yet they never learn. Decades prior to the Phantom Menace, there was a Jedi Padawaan that fell to the Dark Side and sensed that the Sith were still out there, and, before he died, he tried to warn the Jedi Order. However, the Jedi assumed that he was nothing more but a madman and dismissed his warnings. And later, when Qui-Gon Jin says that he fought a Sith on Tatooine, the Jedi of course dismiss him as well since "the Sith have been extinct for a thousand years."
The pika RIVERA I believe the Jedi are too narrow minded they believed they were the center of the universe they even go as far as to lie and go their own way instead of the democracy they love so much in the name of "the greater good" so basically whatever they deem is right, is right no one else is they expect you to trust them when they aren't truthful themselves
TheCommunistDragon with that, the best force users are unorthodox good hearted jedis and grey jedis who cares for everyone(and I mean EVERYONE) and are willing to solve those conflicts
Being "Narrow Minded" is not being evil. They were out of touch, but they DID things for the greater good (Like, not being controlled by a dictator Sith and his Empire). But the normal people DONT care for the greater good, they care for what happens NOW to them, so the normal citizens think the Jedi are evil because of that. What they say IS right, as they care for peace and justice. But the rest of the galaxy is so corrupt and materialistic that they can't do anything.
Wait then how did Palpatine explain the deaths of Mace Windu and the other three jedi masters when they attempted to arrest him? He was playing as the victim so how?
No surviving witnesses, maybe even cameras documenting their entrance. Maybe some data manipulation. It was his office and thanks to him prompting Annakin he knew when they would come. And yes, probably 'Anakin saved me', to cement the 'good Jedi that stood against the corrupt Jedi Order'.
There's a video on this thats states how the Jedi "betrayed" him and tried to overthrow him but he was able to survive and labeled all Jedi especially yoda as war criminals.
The Jedi failed to keep themselves as the neutral party. They drafted thousands of Force sensitives to their cause, even forcing them to by implying they could destroy their families by not joining the Order. Imagine thousands of lightsaber and Force wielding "good" guys playing with the "balance" of the Galaxy. You best believe you should be scared. With no standing army what would stop a rogue splinter group of scorned Jedi into conquering the Galaxy? The Jedi always believed that if they didn't act the Dark Side would be more powerful. Their paranoia led to them sending their very best fighters into a war torn galaxy and leaving few at the Temples to train the new Jedi, which was why Order 66 worked. Spread your powerful warriors to every corner with no back up. Easy pickings and easier to attack their bases with few guarding the young. The Jedi failed for balance and for peace. Their failure led to even more war and death and fear. I would hate em.
Hate might be a strong word. But I cant say I wouldn't RESENT them and the whole damn equation. When lookin at stories like this I think people often forget that more than likely you wouldn't be one of the big characters; you'd more than likely be one of the rebels who died in Vader's big reveal lol
This is why, despite the genocidal result of her actions, Kreia was largely right. Pretty much any group influenced by the Force tends to do this, as they ally with a larger population by claiming to be "servants" of the law while emotionally lobotomizing themselves. Here's a fun fact - servants generally aren't allowed to have their own opinion on a matter, and aren't meant to be respected at all. Anybody who abuses the Force (the base description of the Dark Side) does similar actions - their word is law, do as they say or suffer extreme consequences - but they tend to be more upfront about it (not a good thing, considering that doesn't hold them back). Block out the Force and things allow for more free will, though it would just be a start.
It's such a dumb line, when for the whole film the Sith point of view has been presented as relativist (at least in Palpatine's rhetoric), in contrast to the Jedi's absolute view. To paraphrase: 'Good and evil is a point of view, Anakin'; the 'dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi' as opposed to the Sith's 'larger view' of the Force; and the unforgettable (lmao) 'from my point of view, the Jedi are evil.' Meanwhile the Jedi are the ones obsessed with contrasting the Light versus the Dark side of the Force, absolute good versus absolute evil. This leads them to dismiss the possibility that they are in the wrong regarding the kidnapping of babies, using child soldiers, authorising the use of an enslaved clone army, and maybe even genocide (depending on what you consider canon - I'm thinking of the Sith Holocaust and the Excision of Mandalore). They can't look at themselves critically or see anyone else's side because they are convinced that everything they do is in service of the Light (and therefore everyone who opposes them is opposing the will of the Force). The Sith outlook is similar, except they worship power itself and believe that anything can be justified in terms of achieving more power. The Jedi are at least nominally humanitarian, so they have that going for them, but in terms of what they actually do it's a different story.
This is such an important cautionary tale. I just love Legends. It sucks that Disney destroyed this brilliantly complex system in favor of their own shallow content.
I think some faith was restored when people learned how evil the Empire was and the evil existence of the Sith was publicly well known sometime after the Battle of Endor. Also, many rebels accept Jedi fighting alongside them.
So basically people not directly effected by Clone Wars hated Jedi because they felt that they were more important than people that were directly suffering from it and because of they believed what they were told without any question. Why I am not surprised by that.
It's interesting how many contradictions the Jedi council were guilty of before the ultimate fall during order 66. They claimed to be peacekeepers while acting as (unqualified) military leaders during the clone wars, they indoctrinate children with barely any consent from their families (much less the children's), they claim to be trying to maintain balance and order throughout the galaxy when the majority of Jedi spent most of their time in the temple on Coroscant which is to say not out in the galaxy among the people, they let themselves become wrapped up in politics while also not doing ANYTHING close to trying to maintain good PR with the people. "Jedi are just good. Take our word for it." Was basically their policy. So it was no wonder Palpatine's plan went off flawlessly and the Jedi were mostly hated after the war ended.
@@arielrose9874 man that guy was a dick, because of him we lost Waxer and so many other clones. He’s one of the corrupt Jedi that deserved to be taken out by order 66.
I always suspected that hatred of the Jedi and disbelief in them and the force was because of the practical extinction of Jedi Sentinels. Who specific job was to help people, ordinary people with not just the force but anything else they could like science or engineering on back water worlds. Again since Sentinels were supposed to stay on worlds permanently.
Crimson Doodlebear I think Luke's new Jedi order would have been better, because he was the only Jedi that was a normal guy apart from Obi-Wan and Anakin. As much as I love Yoda, you can't really relate to him like Luke.
Man why can't we have THIS star wars movie made, instead the usual spoonfed "team A = good guys, team B = bad guys and Mary Sue is flawless" bullshit that it is right now? :(
Because good, complex writing takes more effort, while bad writing requiers the bare minimum. All Disnry care it's making money, and the Star Wars franchise is one of the most profitable cashcows in the industry. They have no reason to actually create something good when the money are coming in anyway.
I've learned soo much from the video, now. This whole time, I always believed the Jedi were only hated by a few people and organizations simply because they were the "good guys," who always defeat and foiled the bad guys. But now I see, it's because they created too many problems in history, and failed to solve the existing problems.
I’ve noticed that too, as an adult I find a well written villain more compelling than a well written hero... a villain who is cunning, powerful, motivated, and contemplative. And a villain with a reason for being a villain, other than to destroy lives for destruction’s sake. Thanos, Bane, Vader, Gorr the God Butcher, Griffith from Beserk, Joaquin’s Joker, and Vicious from CBB are a few good examples of villains who check most if not all the boxes of a good evildoer.
@@The.Nasty. i disagree that thanos had a good reason. "We are so overpopulated in this vast universe comprised of 99% empty space, should we maybe spread out? Nah lets just kill everyone that solves overpopulation."
@@aliceslab I’d argue 2 points against that... 1) you’re right about the 99% empty space... but you need a habitable planet to colonize. There aren’t a plethora of habitable planets. If you drift along in space you run out of fuel, food, water, fresh air. 2) In the eyes of Thanos, it was a good reason. From his personal experience, he had seen planet after planet suffer... so even if there were more planets out there to colonize... he maybe just didn’t know they existed? He thinks he’s doing the right thing. Just like most villains. He wouldn’t be a very good villain if he was “Thanos, Cosmic Grey Hound Driver for the needy”
@@The.Nasty. there are so many habitable planets, just research them. More common than you think. Even if not, still doesnt justify mass extinction. If he isnt smart enough to figure out a way to fix that to where they all lived in peace than he should have stayed out of any position of power. Ya i guess im picking it a part too much he wouldnt be a villain if he did what i wanted. Still maybe could have been a mean bus driver lol like he killed half or something to make them survive better with less resources but still was trying to help.
The Jedi should’ve pointed the finger back at the Senate and claim that they only follow orders from the Senate Also what was the galaxy’s reaction to the death of younglings
@@mitpoker7319 but.... that's the truth. Especially during the clone wars. As said as it may have been they were not peacekeepers anymore, just slaves themselves
@@weaponizedautism5983 true but who became the Galatic Empire and still oppressed the Galaxy. No more jedi to help. That why the rebel alliance was formed.
@@vikkran401 The Senate mainly wasn't run by "average people" though. A lot of the star systems involved still had monarchies and senators often got their position because they sought power and manipulated their people. Also oppression can absolutely happen in a representative democracy, if the representatives are being pressured into abandoning their own values. This definitely did happen in the Empire through the Imperial Fleet and later the Death Star and the destruction of Alderaan. Also: Is SLAVERY not oppression (nearly) at its "finest"?
For those who don’t know when the Trade Federation and the Huk convinced the Republic to send Jedi to Kalee to wipe out the Kaleesh people is why General Grievous became involved in the war as he was once a Kaleesh warrior who was fighting to liberate his people from the Huk before becoming a cyborg
honestly of i was a civilian in the republic I would hate the jedi. a group of magical beings that can use mind tricks and stuff, advising the government and influencing galactic affairs. they say they are good and that they are on the light side. but how can you trust this powerful cult?
@@firebluetoad3990 it's not like if some ancient evil cult frome 1089 bce did something you'd believe it and I mean I dont the jedi or the shith are giveing official press statements on the matter of "So basicly this guy is inherently evil and sutch so I stabbed him and now the good force uses are on top"
@@firebluetoad3990 That's pretty fair enough of a assessment. However, you say there're good and that they are on the light side, on the other hand, there may be some people will pondered on this question; how can you trust this powerful cult that can use mind tricks, as well as have insane amount of power of influencing thought-out all of the prospect of galactic affairs?
Oscar Jones From my understanding, that is why the Ruusan Reformation happened, which basically nerfed the Jedi from a monastic order with its own standing army, to a monastic order acting as Law Enforcement for for a corrupt government.
@@TheGoldenWildcat This. The phrase 'with great power comes great responsibility' applies here. The Jedi always had great power, and they had the responsibility to use that power for the right reasons. The trouble is they came to decide that the 'right' reason was enforcing the will of the republic. That's why I think there was always such a possibility for Jedi to turn rogue. People with that much power are dangerous by nature, and it doesn't even require bad motives for one of them to turn. They could have the noblest of intentions. Rescuing slaves, punishing injustice, protecting the ones they loved etc.
Jedi was right at first. but they got to close to politics and serving the republic. The dark side is never the answer. Its a cancer, not a side of the Force. GL said it himself.
Senate during order 66: Palpatine: "The jedi atempt on my life has left me scared and deformed, but Rest assured, the rest of the jedi will be hunted down!" aplause senator: "quick question, you never told us why, but why did the jedi try to kill you?" Palpatine: "Oh thats because I'm the master sith lord who corrupted the senate, controlled both the republic and the separatists and started the clone war- OH WAIT!" Senate all looks at palpatine Senator: "and," Palpatine: "and I killed mace windu, who was... black" Senator: "Black lives matter man, GET HIM!!" Palpatine: "AHHHHHHH!"
I would like to see/read a story involving a Jedi who's stationed by a village or something and encounters confusion/hate from locals, with the children of the village not understanding why. The Jedi could sit them down and briefly run them through the Jedi Order's purpose, what Sith are, etc. I think that would be a great episode of The Clone Wars (bonus points if it's set before and/or during Order 66) or, with it now over, Rebels, with Kanan and Hera being the ones to sit down and educate the young children. I say Hera because Ezra doesn't know everything about the Jedi way, Ahsoka is still gone for now, and I like the idea of Kanan talking to Hera about the Jedi and her picking up a few things over the years.
Kotor 1 also shows some this anti-jedi semtiment while you're on Dantooine, when the mandalorians star harassing farmers. Kotor 2, it also seems the opinion of jedi on dantooine again, is not very positive.
see the old Galactic Republic is stupid, they stopped the future generation know about the sith so that they could differentiate the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. good thing our fellow Sith Darth Sidious destroyed the Republic
The Old Republic: Hey remember the Sith Empire lead by the Sith Jedi: Yeah The Old Republic: Let's make it so that no one will know the difference between a Jedi and Sith by banning all knowledge on them Jedi: Are you sure that won't bite us on the ass later The Old Republic: Nah
@@bryanmanuel4945 has that ever worked out giving people information about something. Especially something that they can easily tap into or awakened. Is never a good idea because people are easily influenced by power. I have a couple of Diablos games just to contradict that theory hey guys I know this thing will summon Satan on Earth but you'll get unlimited wealth and power let's do it anyway. And then literal hell happens.
@@lonelywolf5659 True,but they could a have atleast showed a basic understanding on what was a sith and what was a jedi,the Jedi got complacent they probably tought the Sith would never return.
+Double A Batteries The same propaganda that glorified Palpatine also did the same to Anakin, as Palpatine planned out to have Anakin be his second in command once the empire took over. To paint him as the hero who crushed the Jedi traitors. But due to his injuries and need to be in a suit, this plan didn't really work out like it was supposed to. So instead Anakin was said to have died during the purge, and that Vader was an entirely separate person.
And this is why I love the Sith. Peace is a lie, there is only passion, through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
People always blame the jedi for using clones, but the clones where made to severe. They wouldn't exist if there was no need for soldiers, they owe their existence to that need hence they should be used for it
@@toasterpenguin3781 no it was Guarenteed dude. Idk what you're talking about hut normal humans would be deformed heavily the further they fell to the Darkside
Someone did media analysis about how the Jedi order has an extremely toxic and dysfunctional attitude. Imagine a setting where the sith are the good guys and the Jedi the bad guys. The Sith could basically just be shifted slightly to represent freedom while the Jedi are stuck up and oppressive.
This just makes me happier that the Republic suffered under Palpatine's grasp. They were so stupid, that they thought the Jedi wanted to control the Republic, even after they suggested the Senate create an oversight committee thousands of years earlier.
Augusto Pinochet, he all ways looked like that but he used that was unknown to the senate and the Republic citizens. he used that as the backstory to further progress his political state in the eyes of the citizens.so ya that's why they were sympathetic to plapatine's true state. don't quite know how he did it but some ware there must have been a mask involved not sure tho.
your points are valid but only in the context that most ordinary people in the Galactic Republic were ignorant of what the Jedi and Sith generally stood for before and after the clone wars. both Jedi and Sith were careful to protect their doctrine and identities and their mandate or agenda was only available to those within that chosen organisation.This is why an old republic series is much needed now on tv to flesh out what they both stood for and why their struggle for survival was titanic. which as you have pointed out did not matter to the ordinary citizen but were caught in the middle of this devastating fight anyway.
I understand why other planets didn’t want Jedi to tell them how to do things. I mean, you just don’t go to another man’s house and tell them how to run things around, you just don’t.
There’s more to it than “tell other people how to do things”, but the Jedi never effectively communicate anything to the masses of quintillions who lie mostly uninformed about them
@@wildfire9280 I respect the Jedi council, but don’t believe in everything they say. I believe in a balance between order and chaos. Yin and Yang. If I was to choose between light and dark side, I’d choose my own path, as a grey Jedi does. Fight for what I believe in what’s right.
@@based4560 point missing it "based4560" by obliterating all references of Sith and the dozens of tyrannical, war hungry empires that they gave rise to it all throughout galactic history. not only do the general public of the republic, but all of the galaxy have no idea who or what the Sith are. the order of the Sith lords took advantage of the people's lack of knowledge of the last Jedi/Sith war to slowly rebuild their power base, gather armies to their cause, frame the jedi by committing crimes, war crimes and atrocities in the disguise of jedi and ultimately take the seat of the chancellor office for themselves and then eventually the galactic emperor (I.E. Palpatine took the office) hence the saying "those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"
@@michaelolmos8257Yeah the jedi could've made knowledge about why the sith were bad more public, but they were absolutely justified in confiscating sith artefacts like holocrons for example.
how do some people NOT know the jedi...have they really missed the wars the jedi fought or the multiple planets that were destroyed by the sith...don't they watch the news
The last war against the Sith was over 800 years ago and if they edited the history books, people forget quickly. Ask around what the Cold War was about and who was involved. It ended just 30 years ago and people are forgetting already. And that's with all the history (even if it's a little bit warped by propaganda) still available to read, with people from the time still being alive. Or take WWII. For people in the US it's ancient history. In England and Germany people are reminded constantly because they still find duds from the bombings. Which means parts of cities have to be evacuated (in Germany it's a 100 meter radius) until the bomb squad has defused it.
"I am the Senate." Wait, you're the Senate? Two days later. . . So. the Senate says that we should spend BILLIONS of credits to build a planet destroying battle station. "yes, the Senate says yes" are you sure dude? I'm not one to question the Senate. r
F1 Fan agreed, everyone thinks sith are/were evil because they focus on "negative emotions" even though these emotions are very important and powerful, they had genocide committed against them, and were stomped out of existence by the Jedi because of philosophical differences
It's true, it's even mentioned in the video. Grievous's people were simply defending their homes, but the Jedi sided with the Huk because they were in the senate.
MG16ncpGB grant The only reason that Grievous became the General of the Droid Army was because Dooku promised him revenge against the Jedi who slaughtered his people and nearly killed him.
Weird that a secretive organization with huge amounts of power and zero oversight would be seen as bad by the common people. Also, the whole thing reminds me of a quote from Lord Vetinari from Terry Pratchett's Discworld books: "They think they want good government and justice for all, yet what is it they really crave, deep in their hearts? Only that things go on as normal and tomorrow is pretty much like today."
As the meme says: "From my point of view the force is evil" hahaha, oh Kreia you did it again!, as for Jedi and Sith they are two sides of the same coin to some degree, all is reduced to an unending cycle of abuse of power on both sides. but hey, i had no idea about the sith purge. of course is just my opinion, irrelevant in the big scheme of things. thanks for the videos!
At 0:25 there is a picture of Shakti (Top right) Showing that she is not dead, but there is a deleted scene from the revenge of the sith, where Shakti is killed in front of Ob-1 and Anikan, By General Grievous. Not sure if it makes it canon or not, just wanna point it out.
Another part of Palpatine's plan was making the Jedi generals. Obviously, the Jedi didn't have any of the skills that a good general needed, and throwing them into situations that they were increasingly ill-equipped to handle undermined support for and faith in them among both the troops and the citizens.
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“Typically the public pays far more attention to the bad than the good.”
The accuracy of this statement is extremely depressing.
Makes you want to just throw away your faith in people more and more
Ian Rivera I know, right?
So true...
In this case you really have to think critically though. From the perspective of the commonwealth, the Jedi did far more bad than good. They kidnapped children, enforced unjust sanctions (as mentioned in the video) and were followed by war and death that usually had the greatest impact on the everyday people. Hey but at least the brought us supplies after natural disasters and did a little conflict resolution...... when we weren't collateral damage in their holy wars, that is.
DNice5865 This isn’t exactly referring to the Jedi specifically, just in general, both in Star Wars and in real life. But yes, that is true.
love him or hate him. you gotta respect Palpatine decades of planning.
Im sorry, am I talking to a child here or a person devoid of sarcasm?
MG16ncpGB grant Yup devoid of sarcasm and no humor whatsoever. Tell me how does it feel to speak and write so horrid?
He was actually carrying out Plagues's plan
Don't feed the rancor troll
Lol... what the hell just happened in these comments? This grant kid sure has some anger and comprehension issues. Clueless people like this is how populist crooks like Sidious get voted into office isn't it? Shame.
Goddam, this is why Star Wars is really interesting. It's exactly how real life can be. Betrayal, scapegoats, want of power, manipulation...scary stuff.
And the force...
well if you look at it today it is happening.
Like the government
Ikr
thejanusproject32 I love Star Wars because to me, it is a perfect image of a type 3 civilization.
This is why Luke Skywalker's jedi order (in legends) is so loved he made the new order almost completely separate from the new republic and therefore allowed the jedi to instead of depending on the elite to solve problems
They connected and went to the people to solve problems in each region or homeworld (to the point where there were more than 4 different Jedi temples to help do this) so the jedi instead of looking like isolated monks that solved major conflicts they were actually peace keepers that went out to solve any problems both in global or galactic scale and civil and local ones
I'd go as far as saying that luke's jedi order is not even a Jedi Order. The only thing in common is that they are light side force users. Luke's Order is much better and less corrupt
@@marcodestefano7119 yeah pretty much
@@marcodestefano7119 That is why I hated the new canon. They were just injecting so many SJW nonsense into it, and ruining a already great setting!
@@nielsdejong in real life it's idiotic to presume that any single person can be a little angel who dispenses godly gifts left a d right. However, this is Star Wars - an advanced galactic government with the industrial capacity to easily produce more medicine than there is mass on the world it's being sent to. There are trillions and trillions of stars, remember. Also, Jedi powers are rather powerful. It's really not all that out-there to have forces of good going around saving everyone like a fairy tale.
Now we have Luke’s NEW Jedi Order which... doesn’t exist anymore...
and never really did anything in the first place...
Wow, thanks Disney. How imaginative and inspiring.... 🙄
The Jedi Council: "As keepers of the peace, we must protect the innocent, and do what we can to help those in need."
Anakin: "Can I go to Tatooine and free my mom and others from the horrors of slavery?"
The Jedi Council: "You can't let your personal feelings get in your way, and that's not our problem."
Anakin: "._."
Then anakin: .\ _ /.
#JediHypocrites
#JediLikeSlavery
#JediInquisition (They kill or force any other Force order to be ome Jedi or die.)
#JediWarCriminals
Hypocrisy was their downfall
@@meijuta dont forget their arrogance!
it's not a coincidence that so many sith were once jedi first.
The jedi needed a better PR team.
Jango Fett blasted Trebor’s Jedi ass during the scrap in the geonosian arena
@@Charlie94781 That's the point. He died, so there's no PR now
They need to get Mace Windu on the case.
Don't the jedi disconnect themselves to the world since it is their way?
@@finnheisenheim8274 now they know whats need to be changed
Emperor Palpatine I think is the most under rated villain of all time. His plan was absolutely brilliant. And it worked.
Gaming 4 Life(Tylerman) similar to zionists
@@joelerickson1058 If he only he put that intelligence to defeating the Rebel Alliance.
@@robertnelson9599 the reason hes bad in the newer movies is because disney doesnt understand star wars
Gaming 4 Life(Tylerman) he’s trash. Died so easily
The villian won....
"The Jedi... The Sith... You don't get it, do you? To the Galaxy, they're the same thing: Men and women with too much power, squabbling over religion, while the rest of us burn!"
- Atton Rand
Steven Cox Where's that from? Who is Atton Rand?
Atton Rand could also be a Jedi in the game.
Steven Cox This is an interesting theory that reflects our current events with the US and ISIS.
Everyone should play KOTOR II, it'l change your life, man
This is a pretty cool quote!
Conclusion: The Jedi really needed a good PR department...
CONLCLUSION: In the end luke was right,the galaxy would be FAR BETTER OFF without both the jedi and the sith
I want to like but it’s at 66
@@alkirk5748 Enter the Vong
Enter Abeloth
Enter the CIS without Jedi
Enter the Sith (race)
People: WHERE ARE THE JEDI AAAHHHHHH!
@@alkirk5748 looking how the Disney trilogy did it, it wouldn’t had matter at all considering the dark side and light side would still exist I like to take a quote from a Revan fan film “the Jedi and Sith split the force into light and dark it will be here long after all those clans are gone.” Besides there are different sect of force users who not Jedi or Sith for example the knights of zakuul from the eternal empire.
@@alkirk5748 no galaxy would be close to end by:
Vong
Abeloth
Mandalorians they Are example but there Is still many things that could unbalance galaxy.
''From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!''
-Anakin Skywalker
I have the high ground
-Obi wan kenobi
You underestimate my power!
@@raddragon1373 Then pow! Misa here. - Jar Jar Binks
Except qui gon
@@angeltrinidad5389 true
Judge: Anything else Mr. Hernandez
Takeshi69: Yes your honour, Emperor Palpatine is the Sith Lord and is behind the corruption of the senate and orchestrated the Clone Wars
Ahhh i really wanna like but its at 99
Good soliders follow orders
I wanna like but I have no clue what this comment is.
Oh, don't worry, I'm not an idiot from reddit. I'm not going to whoosh you and make you look dumb in order to save face. I'm genuinely confused, can someone explain?
@@lucasharvey8990 Tekashi 69 (born Daniel Hernandez) is an infamous rapper who went to jail for year and ended up snitching (giving information to law enforcement) on an entire gang that he was involved in, in exchange for his freedom. In hip hop/street culture snitching is generally highly frowned upon if you were involved in the crimes/street life yourself.
Not only did he tell, he gave up a lot of info that wasn’t even asked for and involved peoples names that he had dirt on but had nothing to do with his case, all in order to save himself
Nowadays he’s become a meme as you see here. when people bring up his name in jokes it’s in the format of the joker pretending to be 69 telling his judge unknown but valuable info (related to your current situation/topic) in exchange for freedom. So for example:
Judge: Mr. Hernandez do you have anything else to say?
69: Did you know Lord Vader is the rebel Luke Skywalker’s pops ?
@@YoungYahtz94 meme culture is advancing beyond me, I see. Thank you so much, good samaritan!
people before order 66: we hate jedi
after order 66 and time of the empire: why jedi don't help us
@ Hate to bring it to you, but people often are this way. I like how you try to live on the positive side, but sadly, reality is just very disappointing...
@@Laesis Just like people who hate police and the military but demand their help when the need arises.
@@Wanderer628 More or less. However, I do get it in lots of cases. Mostly this hate is towards specific officers or after specific incidents... Not saying every officer/soldier is bad nor am I saying that they are always responsible for something that happens (example: in Belgium a child died a while ago, an illegal immigrant, after she got shot. She and some others were hiding in a truck, during a chase the officer started shooting at the truck and hit the child on accident, how sad it is, the officer can't be held responsible. Hell, those parents even almost killed the child before when hiding in a freezer thing of a truck...) But, I do understand that people hate officers like the Spanish who were send to Catalonia (seriously, throwing an old man of a stairs, because he was simply voting for something that was unofficial... I get that they wanted to prove a no is a no, but that was too far and then the king dares to say "They just did their duties.". May those officers and the king die a slow and painful death, I don't even care who they are.)
@ antifa cough cough..bLm cough!!
@@veleforev6929 proud boys!?!
☝️🤪👈 🖐🤡🤛 🖕😗👌
Execute order number 9, 2 times, a large number 9, number 6 with extra sith, a number 7, number 45 twice, one with Jedi, and a large Jango
Bkiller :3 do you want that Jango unchained?
so i guess Palpatine wants a cheeky jango
GTA San Andreas!!!
*YOU CAME TO THE WRONG SENATE FOOL*
Chase Blackmoon it’s django the d is silent
In my opinion there are two things that brought the Jedi to that state:
1. They served the (by the time of the Clone Wars) by now corrupted Republic instead of making efforts to bring corrupted government officials to justice, whether it is by proving them guilty to the court or simply taking them down.
2. They were indeed somewhat disconnected from simple citizens that they actually should have cared about the most. Had they provided more humanitarian support by, for instance, setting up free clinics, been more involved with hunting down criminals, they would have gained support from more people across the Galaxy.
For your first part, keep in mind that everyone thought the jedi were too involved in politics so trying to bring down a corrupt official would only worsen ppl’s views of them
@@its-a-mac3348 Not if this official is proven guilty or taken down silently, without any hint that it were the Jedi who did this. And here is another point why the Jedi Order crumbled so easily: they lacked their own intelligence and should have had more extensive covert activity.
Another thing is that Jedi overly militarized when they should have allowed and encouraged peaceful actions. Think of how being in the agricultural corp is treated as a punishment and Jedi didn’t really have any way of sending suggestions to the council by themselves or anonymously
This is why I love Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order (in legends). He wanted his New Jedi to get directly involved with the people, not the politics, of different worlds and to get to know all sides of the Force, not just the light side.
To be honest, if I ever saw a Jedi mess with someone's free will, I'd by mighty suspicious too.
Holammer and rightfully so you should be. But don't fall for the Sith's bullshit either.
*Taking babies away**
Even thoe I dislike the Jedi and Sith me I'd be more aligned with the Sith because at least they are honest of what they do unlike the Jedi who pretend to be your friends then stab you in the back to keep from rising up the ranks because they want to protect thier country club atmosphere
@@danielpetrucci8952 the sith literally kill each other for being too powerful what drugs are you taking
the jedi was hated by many loved by few but respected by all
That's a nice piece of rhetoric, but it doesn't make any sense. Some people respected the Jedi, but most didn't really give a shit. There are quadrillions of people in the galaxy on tens of thousands of planets. They have work to do, families to provide for, things to do. Do you really think any of them at all cared about the Jedi?
Jen'ari-asha they cared about the jedi if they need them for knowledge or protection either way just gotta have respect for them a long time ago they was just peace keepers not generals the peace keepers at the time was respected
No. No. Not really. The Jedi refuse to share any knowledge, they're too few in numbers to offer any practical protection to everyone in the galaxy and no one is going to respect them just because they may have been cool a few thousand years ago. (Case and point. Macedonia)
Jen'ari-asha fair point
Darth Sidious YES! SOMEONE GOT IT!
That was an impressively realistic analysis of how the public might view the jedi's actions. Thankyou for making this excellent video! I very much enjoyed watching it, and thinking about its implications :)
I agree. This channel helps enhance my understanding and appreciation of Star Wars.
it was all real its in the "legends" books before Disney bought the franchise.
As usual with the jedi's downfall, the short answer is: Palpatine
Exactlu
Palpatine only gave the final blow. The Jedi's downfall was their arrogance, narrowmindedness, stagnation and corruption. With or without Palpy, the Jedi would fall anyways.
Jedi and Sith are extremists: The Jedi embody extreme logic and the Sith embody extreme emotions. There must be always a balance.
Jorge Bersabe Fair, I was just joking about how Palpatine kept messing with the Jedi and just getting away with it.
@@jorgebersabe293 Yes, the Jedi were hypocritical. Do you think they were evil, though?
I only ask because I see lots of people say that the Jedi were evil towards Anakin, and while they failed him, I do also believe they didn't do it intentionally. Plus, by Episode 3, Yoda and others were beginning to see the flaws in the Order, and wished to correct them after the war. Palps was the driving factor in their fall, however, of that I am sure.
Jedi's ignorance towards Sith and the dark side seems to be one of their downfalls. Instead of trying to learn from them, or at least spread the word of dangers of the dark side, the history of the sith was practically erased. How was anyone supposed to take Jedi's quest against Sith seriously, when they didn't even know what Sith were.
The problem lies in the fact that the Jedi tend to assume that the Sith are gone for good every time they were defeated. They assumed this after the Old Sith Empire was destroyed, after the reconstituted Sith Empire was defeated, after the Brotherhood of Darkness was destroyed thanks to Darth Bane's plot, after they killed the presumed last Sith Lord (who was actually Darth Zannah's cousin that was driven insane), etc... And yet they never learn.
Decades prior to the Phantom Menace, there was a Jedi Padawaan that fell to the Dark Side and sensed that the Sith were still out there, and, before he died, he tried to warn the Jedi Order. However, the Jedi assumed that he was nothing more but a madman and dismissed his warnings. And later, when Qui-Gon Jin says that he fought a Sith on Tatooine, the Jedi of course dismiss him as well since "the Sith have been extinct for a thousand years."
Anakin was right,the Jedi are pretty evil if you look at it.
From a certain point of view...
TheCommunistDragon how?
The pika RIVERA I believe the Jedi are too narrow minded they believed they were the center of the universe they even go as far as to lie and go their own way instead of the democracy they love so much in the name of "the greater good" so basically whatever they deem is right, is right no one else is they expect you to trust them when they aren't truthful themselves
It's not like the Sith are much better in that regard though.
TheCommunistDragon with that, the best force users are unorthodox good hearted jedis and grey jedis who cares for everyone(and I mean EVERYONE) and are willing to solve those conflicts
Being "Narrow Minded" is not being evil. They were out of touch, but they DID things for the greater good (Like, not being controlled by a dictator Sith and his Empire). But the normal people DONT care for the greater good, they care for what happens NOW to them, so the normal citizens think the Jedi are evil because of that. What they say IS right, as they care for peace and justice. But the rest of the galaxy is so corrupt and materialistic that they can't do anything.
I've said this before, I'll say it again: There was no good side in the Clone Wars. Some people with good intentions on both sides, But no good side.
Matthew Wheeler Same with ww2
Especially since Palpatine was pulling the strings of both sides
Matthew Wheeler good and bad are really only a matter of perception
uh, I'm pretty sure what is good is relative, and if you compare the jedi to the fucking sith, then the jedi are way wayyyy better. And good.
Good and bad are subjective, always.
Wait then how did Palpatine explain the deaths of Mace Windu and the other three jedi masters when they attempted to arrest him? He was playing as the victim so how?
"Anakin saved me" probably
Jen'ari-asha that or his guards fought them off
No surviving witnesses, maybe even cameras documenting their entrance. Maybe some data manipulation. It was his office and thanks to him prompting Annakin he knew when they would come.
And yes, probably 'Anakin saved me', to cement the 'good Jedi that stood against the corrupt Jedi Order'.
There's a video on this thats states how the Jedi "betrayed" him and tried to overthrow him but he was able to survive and labeled all Jedi especially yoda as war criminals.
"They all slipped on their own lightsabers."
The Jedi failed to keep themselves as the neutral party. They drafted thousands of Force sensitives to their cause, even forcing them to by implying they could destroy their families by not joining the Order. Imagine thousands of lightsaber and Force wielding "good" guys playing with the "balance" of the Galaxy. You best believe you should be scared. With no standing army what would stop a rogue splinter group of scorned Jedi into conquering the Galaxy? The Jedi always believed that if they didn't act the Dark Side would be more powerful. Their paranoia led to them sending their very best fighters into a war torn galaxy and leaving few at the Temples to train the new Jedi, which was why Order 66 worked. Spread your powerful warriors to every corner with no back up. Easy pickings and easier to attack their bases with few guarding the young. The Jedi failed for balance and for peace. Their failure led to even more war and death and fear. I would hate em.
Hate might be a strong word. But I cant say I wouldn't RESENT them and the whole damn equation. When lookin at stories like this I think people often forget that more than likely you wouldn't be one of the big characters; you'd more than likely be one of the rebels who died in Vader's big reveal lol
This is why, despite the genocidal result of her actions, Kreia was largely right. Pretty much any group influenced by the Force tends to do this, as they ally with a larger population by claiming to be "servants" of the law while emotionally lobotomizing themselves. Here's a fun fact - servants generally aren't allowed to have their own opinion on a matter, and aren't meant to be respected at all.
Anybody who abuses the Force (the base description of the Dark Side) does similar actions - their word is law, do as they say or suffer extreme consequences - but they tend to be more upfront about it (not a good thing, considering that doesn't hold them back). Block out the Force and things allow for more free will, though it would just be a start.
"Sith are the absolute evil"
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
*Hmm*
When Obi wan said that, he means that only a Sith will act apon an absolute, not state the aforementioned.
It's such a dumb line, when for the whole film the Sith point of view has been presented as relativist (at least in Palpatine's rhetoric), in contrast to the Jedi's absolute view. To paraphrase: 'Good and evil is a point of view, Anakin'; the 'dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi' as opposed to the Sith's 'larger view' of the Force; and the unforgettable (lmao) 'from my point of view, the Jedi are evil.' Meanwhile the Jedi are the ones obsessed with contrasting the Light versus the Dark side of the Force, absolute good versus absolute evil.
This leads them to dismiss the possibility that they are in the wrong regarding the kidnapping of babies, using child soldiers, authorising the use of an enslaved clone army, and maybe even genocide (depending on what you consider canon - I'm thinking of the Sith Holocaust and the Excision of Mandalore). They can't look at themselves critically or see anyone else's side because they are convinced that everything they do is in service of the Light (and therefore everyone who opposes them is opposing the will of the Force).
The Sith outlook is similar, except they worship power itself and believe that anything can be justified in terms of achieving more power. The Jedi are at least nominally humanitarian, so they have that going for them, but in terms of what they actually do it's a different story.
@@mankyscotchgit4986 Not like hypocrisy exists. Palpatine allowed to kill even younglings
@@mankyscotchgit4986 I wonder if this was actually the will of the light side of the force or the Jedi were just really bad philosophers.
This is such an important cautionary tale. I just love Legends. It sucks that Disney destroyed this brilliantly complex system in favor of their own shallow content.
In the Clone Wars episode “Lightsaber Lost”, you can hear Palpatine giving one of those speeches on a giant screen.
Jedi: We'll bring you food and medical supplies
Civilian: Thank You :D
Jedi: I'm going to need your first-born though :|
kinda sounds like witchers xD
Gardstyle35 and Spartan IIs. Why do all “good guys” steal babies?
Lol!
@@logannelson577 because its good for their "Benefits"
craid saber why the quotes? You guys are being ironic, right?
Honestly majority of the Jedi Order's mistakes seems to come out of them being dumb and/or arrogant.
I think some faith was restored when people learned how evil the Empire was and the evil existence of the Sith was publicly well known sometime after the Battle of Endor. Also, many rebels accept Jedi fighting alongside them.
So basically people not directly effected by Clone Wars hated Jedi because they felt that they were more important than people that were directly suffering from it and because of they believed what they were told without any question. Why I am not surprised by that.
It's interesting how many contradictions the Jedi council were guilty of before the ultimate fall during order 66. They claimed to be peacekeepers while acting as (unqualified) military leaders during the clone wars, they indoctrinate children with barely any consent from their families (much less the children's), they claim to be trying to maintain balance and order throughout the galaxy when the majority of Jedi spent most of their time in the temple on Coroscant which is to say not out in the galaxy among the people, they let themselves become wrapped up in politics while also not doing ANYTHING close to trying to maintain good PR with the people. "Jedi are just good. Take our word for it." Was basically their policy. So it was no wonder Palpatine's plan went off flawlessly and the Jedi were mostly hated after the war ended.
Star Wars Politics are interesting
More interesting than politics in real life.
@@jamiethomas3768 it’s based on those politics…
To be fair, some of the Jedi before Order 66 were actually corrupt.
*cough* lookin at u pong krell *cough*
@@arielrose9874 man that guy was a dick, because of him we lost Waxer and so many other clones. He’s one of the corrupt Jedi that deserved to be taken out by order 66.
@@heyhellyco most jedi hated their clones, and disrespected them. They deserved to die.
@@heyhellyco he was so bad that the clones committed order66 themselves
@@godsavethequeen4675 oh wait..
I always suspected that hatred of the Jedi and disbelief in them and the force was because of the practical extinction of Jedi Sentinels. Who specific job was to help people, ordinary people with not just the force but anything else they could like science or engineering on back water worlds. Again since Sentinels were supposed to stay on worlds permanently.
Most sentinels became Jedi guards.
This is why the Jedi failed. If the Jedi had been by themselves, not involved in politics then they would have survived.
Crimson Doodlebear That what sidious wnated.
GameAndElse Mhm
Crimson Doodlebear I think Luke's new Jedi order would have been better, because he was the only Jedi that was a normal guy apart from Obi-Wan and Anakin. As much as I love Yoda, you can't really relate to him like Luke.
Not getting themselves involved with planetary politics is why they were seen as ineffective in the first place.
Crimson Doodlebear very true I don’t like how the old Jedi ways operated
Man why can't we have THIS star wars movie made, instead the usual spoonfed "team A = good guys, team B = bad guys and Mary Sue is flawless" bullshit that it is right now? :(
Agreed.
Because good, complex writing takes more effort, while bad writing requiers the bare minimum. All Disnry care it's making money, and the Star Wars franchise is one of the most profitable cashcows in the industry. They have no reason to actually create something good when the money are coming in anyway.
You could....write a fictional society, turn it into a movie script and direct that. Free world
@@mikeljackson9192 whered you get funds? The cast? What studio would help you?
I've learned soo much from the video, now. This whole time, I always believed the Jedi were only hated by a few people and organizations simply because they were the "good guys," who always defeat and foiled the bad guys. But now I see, it's because they created too many problems in history, and failed to solve the existing problems.
When your a kid, you support the heroes, when your an adult you understand the villains.
nah darth vader from day one mfsssss
I’ve noticed that too, as an adult I find a well written villain more compelling than a well written hero... a villain who is cunning, powerful, motivated, and contemplative.
And a villain with a reason for being a villain, other than to destroy lives for destruction’s sake.
Thanos, Bane, Vader, Gorr the God Butcher, Griffith from Beserk, Joaquin’s Joker, and Vicious from CBB are a few good examples of villains who check most if not all the boxes of a good evildoer.
@@The.Nasty. i disagree that thanos had a good reason. "We are so overpopulated in this vast universe comprised of 99% empty space, should we maybe spread out? Nah lets just kill everyone that solves overpopulation."
@@aliceslab I’d argue 2 points against that...
1) you’re right about the 99% empty space... but you need a habitable planet to colonize.
There aren’t a plethora of habitable planets.
If you drift along in space you run out of fuel, food, water, fresh air.
2) In the eyes of Thanos, it was a good reason.
From his personal experience, he had seen planet after planet suffer... so even if there were more planets out there to colonize... he maybe just didn’t know they existed?
He thinks he’s doing the right thing. Just like most villains.
He wouldn’t be a very good villain if he was “Thanos, Cosmic Grey Hound Driver for the needy”
@@The.Nasty. there are so many habitable planets, just research them. More common than you think. Even if not, still doesnt justify mass extinction. If he isnt smart enough to figure out a way to fix that to where they all lived in peace than he should have stayed out of any position of power. Ya i guess im picking it a part too much he wouldnt be a villain if he did what i wanted. Still maybe could have been a mean bus driver lol like he killed half or something to make them survive better with less resources but still was trying to help.
Lucas' writing is so good, we have infinite videos talking about things he established in two scenes or less. Maul is a great example of that.
Jedi are extreme hypocrites, and Sith are murderers.
The Gray Jedi way is the best way
+MG16ncpGB grant Oh shut up
Jedi: Slave morality, Sith: Master morality.
The Glitchy Penguin Guy
At least the sith aren't self-righteous.
Gray Jedi all the way, man. Unless you want to be evil, Gray Jedi is the best way to retain your sanity and humanity.
"You've got it all wrong as usual Mace". So true... Ahsoka still waiting for excuses. No, it wasn't another force challenge. It was a betrayal, Mace.
Do a video about the powers of the high ground ! Dewit !
97AsV that's not the Jedi way
Rakatan Lord you under estimate my powers!
97AsV, the high ground only has power when the script says it does.
Well most Jedi are good on their own, but putting a group of them in one room with that 1 person who's a prick, leads to some stupid decisions.
I sense Turin...
The Jedi should’ve pointed the finger back at the Senate and claim that they only follow orders from the Senate
Also what was the galaxy’s reaction to the death of younglings
That would've made the jedi look like these mindless drones with capes that just follow orders.
@@mitpoker7319 but.... that's the truth. Especially during the clone wars. As said as it may have been they were not peacekeepers anymore, just slaves themselves
@BLiTZ Galaga that's not what the public would believe
@@weaponizedautism5983 true but who became the Galatic Empire and still oppressed the Galaxy. No more jedi to help. That why the rebel alliance was formed.
@@vikkran401 The Senate mainly wasn't run by "average people" though. A lot of the star systems involved still had monarchies and senators often got their position because they sought power and manipulated their people. Also oppression can absolutely happen in a representative democracy, if the representatives are being pressured into abandoning their own values. This definitely did happen in the Empire through the Imperial Fleet and later the Death Star and the destruction of Alderaan. Also: Is SLAVERY not oppression (nearly) at its "finest"?
For those who don’t know when the Trade Federation and the Huk convinced the Republic to send Jedi to Kalee to wipe out the Kaleesh people is why General Grievous became involved in the war as he was once a Kaleesh warrior who was fighting to liberate his people from the Huk before becoming a cyborg
honestly of i was a civilian in the republic I would hate the jedi.
a group of magical beings that can use mind tricks and stuff, advising the government and influencing galactic affairs.
they say they are good and that they are on the light side. but how can you trust this powerful cult?
ImperialWarhawk123ABC I don't understand the public's absolute stupidity and ignorance! Did no one brush up on history?!
Matthew Chenault Ahhhhhh!
@@firebluetoad3990 it's not like if some ancient evil cult frome 1089 bce did something you'd believe it and I mean I dont the jedi or the shith are giveing official press statements on the matter of
"So basicly this guy is inherently evil and sutch so I stabbed him and now the good force uses are on top"
yeah basically scientologists in space
this is actually really relevant to the real world
The Jedi were doomed thousands of years before Order 66.
Frankie Lerma No they were not, the Republic's people back then knew what Sith looked like and knew they were bad.
@@firebluetoad3990 That's pretty fair enough of a assessment. However, you say there're good and that they are on the light side, on the other hand, there may be some people will pondered on this question; how can you trust this powerful cult that can use mind tricks, as well as have insane amount of power of influencing thought-out all of the prospect of galactic affairs?
Oscar Jones From my understanding, that is why the Ruusan Reformation happened, which basically nerfed the Jedi from a monastic order with its own standing army, to a monastic order acting as Law Enforcement for for a corrupt government.
@@RyunosukeHachi Perhaps that is so.
@@TheGoldenWildcat This. The phrase 'with great power comes great responsibility' applies here. The Jedi always had great power, and they had the responsibility to use that power for the right reasons. The trouble is they came to decide that the 'right' reason was enforcing the will of the republic.
That's why I think there was always such a possibility for Jedi to turn rogue. People with that much power are dangerous by nature, and it doesn't even require bad motives for one of them to turn. They could have the noblest of intentions. Rescuing slaves, punishing injustice, protecting the ones they loved etc.
The Jedi forsake the dark, while the sith turn their backs on the light. Neither know what true balance is
Grey Jedi know what the true balance is.
SerbianSlav How could you say something so true yet so controversial?
Revan will rise again! :D
Jedi was right at first. but they got to close to politics and serving the republic. The dark side is never the answer. Its a cancer, not a side of the Force. GL said it himself.
Gray Jedi
It's actually because I started a rumor they liked the sequels more than the original trilogy.
Senate during order 66:
Palpatine: "The jedi atempt on my life has left me scared and deformed, but Rest assured, the rest of the jedi will be hunted down!"
aplause
senator: "quick question, you never told us why, but why did the jedi try to kill you?"
Palpatine: "Oh thats because I'm the master sith lord who corrupted the senate, controlled both the republic and the separatists and started the clone war- OH WAIT!"
Senate all looks at palpatine
Senator: "and,"
Palpatine: "and I killed mace windu, who was... black"
Senator: "Black lives matter man, GET HIM!!"
Palpatine: "AHHHHHHH!"
aplause
Bobafett 3820 I laughed so hard at this
Bobafett 3820
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I'd imagine Palpatine would simply say, "They tried to kill me to take power over the Republic."
shadowstarthe1st it's called a military coup, you're not overthrowing just the president, but the entire government
That image at 8:38 is freaking amazing
Could you make a video about :
"What was the relationship between clone troopers and storm troopers in the early years of the Empire' army ?
"We never really got used to the new guys"
While the Jedi were trying to figure out checkers, Palpatine was playing 8D chess with the entire galaxy as pawns.
What is interesting is that Luke actually told his Padawans to talks to the common people of the galaxy which the old order never did
I would like to see/read a story involving a Jedi who's stationed by a village or something and encounters confusion/hate from locals, with the children of the village not understanding why. The Jedi could sit them down and briefly run them through the Jedi Order's purpose, what Sith are, etc. I think that would be a great episode of The Clone Wars (bonus points if it's set before and/or during Order 66) or, with it now over, Rebels, with Kanan and Hera being the ones to sit down and educate the young children. I say Hera because Ezra doesn't know everything about the Jedi way, Ahsoka is still gone for now, and I like the idea of Kanan talking to Hera about the Jedi and her picking up a few things over the years.
I love your content! Keep up the good work :)
Thanks!
Fact Free could you do a the origin of the sith video?
Luke Stevenson dude stop
This is their conversation
XD
Steven Tierolf Nice profile pic
they are evil because one of them has the high ground.
Kotor 1 also shows some this anti-jedi semtiment while you're on Dantooine, when the mandalorians star harassing farmers.
Kotor 2, it also seems the opinion of jedi on dantooine again, is not very positive.
Bry-Fi the Leviathan wasn’t at Dantooine, it was busy capturing the Ebon Hawk and torturing its occupants.
see the old Galactic Republic is stupid, they stopped the future generation know about the sith so that they could differentiate the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. good thing our fellow Sith Darth Sidious destroyed the Republic
The Old Republic: Hey remember the Sith Empire lead by the Sith
Jedi: Yeah
The Old Republic: Let's make it so that no one will know the difference between a Jedi and Sith by banning all knowledge on them
Jedi: Are you sure that won't bite us on the ass later
The Old Republic: Nah
But the Jedi probably caused their own downfall because they most likely are the one to ban knoweldge about the sith
@@bryanmanuel4945 has that ever worked out giving people information about something. Especially something that they can easily tap into or awakened. Is never a good idea because people are easily influenced by power. I have a couple of Diablos games just to contradict that theory hey guys I know this thing will summon Satan on Earth but you'll get unlimited wealth and power let's do it anyway. And then literal hell happens.
@@lonelywolf5659 True,but they could a have atleast showed a basic understanding on what was a sith and what was a jedi,the Jedi got complacent they probably tought the Sith would never return.
@@lonelywolf5659 That simply means the consequences werent made clear enough.
you were the chosen jaun, you were supposed to destroy the wall, not build it!
Noah Taylor execute order 15. (sweet 15 in Hispanic culture )
Noah Taylor Juan*
Im not the notification squad. I just keep refreshing fact frees channel evry 5 minutes
Was this anti Jedi sentiment by the public also directed at Anakin Skywalker since he was hailed as a hero in the Republic?
+Double A Batteries The same propaganda that glorified Palpatine also did the same to Anakin, as Palpatine planned out to have Anakin be his second in command once the empire took over. To paint him as the hero who crushed the Jedi traitors. But due to his injuries and need to be in a suit, this plan didn't really work out like it was supposed to. So instead Anakin was said to have died during the purge, and that Vader was an entirely separate person.
Fact Free Makes sense, cheers mate. :)
Spacemicheladatchet They're also THE reason why he's not promoted to the rank of Master, & expelled his Padawan to the Order.
Palpatine: Jedis Suck Let Me Give The Power Back To The People. Blows Up Planets Where The Humans Or Other Races Live.
This the name of the next movie? why you type like that?
8:44 It's ironic ! They (the Jedi) could save others from having a bad reputation, but not themselves.
The High Ground wasn't enough to save the Jedi Order.
And this is why I love the Sith.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion, through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
People always blame the jedi for using clones, but the clones where made to severe.
They wouldn't exist if there was no need for soldiers, they owe their existence to that need hence they should be used for it
In the clone wars tv show it makes sense that they mistaken jar jar for a jedi because he is a sith
this is the best comment
If I had to pick I'd rather be a Sith and not have to repress my emotions, plus I get a badass red lightsaber
You will also be deformed and movement will be hindered
@@toasterpenguin3781 no it was Guarenteed dude. Idk what you're talking about hut normal humans would be deformed heavily the further they fell to the Darkside
Someone did media analysis about how the Jedi order has an extremely toxic and dysfunctional attitude. Imagine a setting where the sith are the good guys and the Jedi the bad guys. The Sith could basically just be shifted slightly to represent freedom while the Jedi are stuck up and oppressive.
I just would have been a Separatist
Joey Crosby you’ll kill innocent people too
This just makes me happier that the Republic suffered under Palpatine's grasp. They were so stupid, that they thought the Jedi wanted to control the Republic, even after they suggested the Senate create an oversight committee thousands of years earlier.
Adrian C damn, that's harsh, but fair, oddly enough
And I'm sure there aren't any real life parallels of people believing what they're told or want to believe.
Could you do how the galaxy reacted when they found out Palpatine created the clone wars?
jesus christ that could supply us with milk for an entire millenium 3:39
Yes omfg YESSS
I absolutely love the artwork you use in the videos
Most deadliest weapon of all...
Propaganda.
hows do the people react to Palpatine's new look?
Dewit.
Hiro Tatsuya "do you poop out of that butt crack on your head?"
Augusto Pinochet, he all ways looked like that but he used that was unknown to the senate and the Republic citizens. he used that as the backstory to further progress his political state in the eyes of the citizens.so ya that's why they were sympathetic to plapatine's true state. don't quite know how he did it but some ware there must have been a mask involved not sure tho.
Palpatine used his scars as a symbol of his endurance shouting “yeah I got my face melted but if anyone else wants a piece of me... Come get some!”
Talking about Snoke ⁉🙄🤔😁
your points are valid but only in the context that most ordinary people in the Galactic Republic were ignorant of what the Jedi and Sith generally stood for before and after the clone wars. both Jedi and Sith were careful to protect their doctrine and identities and their mandate or agenda was only available to those within that chosen organisation.This is why an old republic series is much needed now on tv to flesh out what they both stood for and why their struggle for survival was titanic. which as you have pointed out did not matter to the ordinary citizen but were caught in the middle of this devastating fight anyway.
As usually happens, TBH. Ordinary people don't really care as long as it doesn't effect them. They just want to get on with their lives.
I understand why other planets didn’t want Jedi to tell them how to do things. I mean, you just don’t go to another man’s house and tell them how to run things around, you just don’t.
There’s more to it than “tell other people how to do things”, but the Jedi never effectively communicate anything to the masses of quintillions who lie mostly uninformed about them
@@wildfire9280 I respect the Jedi council, but don’t believe in everything they say. I believe in a balance between order and chaos. Yin and Yang. If I was to choose between light and dark side, I’d choose my own path, as a grey Jedi does. Fight for what I believe in what’s right.
In other words the Jedi had this coming for a long long time. Thank you Fact Free for making these vids don't stop making them anytime soon
The fact that they banned Sith texts shows the Jedi did not support free speech
So for example, if someone writes a book showing how to make a bomb, would it be free speech and moral to have it be published and widely accessed?
@@based4560 point missing it "based4560" by obliterating all references of Sith and the dozens of tyrannical, war hungry empires that they gave rise to it all throughout galactic history. not only do the general public of the republic, but all of the galaxy have no idea who or what the Sith are. the order of the Sith lords took advantage of the people's lack of knowledge of the last Jedi/Sith war to slowly rebuild their power base, gather armies to their cause, frame the jedi by committing crimes, war crimes and atrocities in the disguise of jedi and ultimately take the seat of the chancellor office for themselves and then eventually the galactic emperor (I.E. Palpatine took the office) hence the saying "those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"
@@michaelolmos8257Yeah the jedi could've made knowledge about why the sith were bad more public, but they were absolutely justified in confiscating sith artefacts like holocrons for example.
So the sith are good guys? I should've known that the Jedi were plotting to take over!
Anakin Skywalker actually ever since the sith ruled the galaxy has order and might be better then before
How the fuck was that your conclusion to this subject are you 12?
@@SportProgramming if you think he's serious you could be aged 6
@@DAshBFJEY builds a death star and blows up a builds okay
how to fix it make a giant holo broadcast whit what are the sith and info abot the clone wars
WindWicker GT Propaganda! FAKE NEWS! lol
“Rebuild the Jedi order? Oh you poor fool. The Jedi fell long before the purge. They were stifled by tradition” taron Malicos to cal kesties
True thou
That Obi Wan X-Men cover is pretty cool.
I’m not watching this because I don’t wanna feel bad about my 8 year old fantasy of being a jedi
how do some people NOT know the jedi...have they really missed the wars the jedi fought or the multiple planets that were destroyed by the sith...don't they watch the news
The last war against the Sith was over 800 years ago and if they edited the history books, people forget quickly.
Ask around what the Cold War was about and who was involved. It ended just 30 years ago and people are forgetting already. And that's with all the history (even if it's a little bit warped by propaganda) still available to read, with people from the time still being alive.
Or take WWII. For people in the US it's ancient history. In England and Germany people are reminded constantly because they still find duds from the bombings. Which means parts of cities have to be evacuated (in Germany it's a 100 meter radius) until the bomb squad has defused it.
"I am the Senate." Wait, you're the Senate? Two days later. . .
So. the Senate says that we should spend BILLIONS of credits to build a planet destroying battle station.
"yes, the Senate says yes"
are you sure dude?
I'm not one to question the Senate.
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The jedi were hated because they were all rough and coarse, and got everywhere! No wonder Vader wanted to kill them all!
I love the jedi. This video makes me depressed. :(
Thomas Burns gonna cry sith are allways more powerful
The Jedi got what they deserved with order 66
You can love something but still point out its flaws
Really like your video, I never thought of this. Time to watch all your videos XD
The light side of the force is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be uncool.
From my point the jedi are evil!
F1 Fan chancellor Palpatine is evil
F1 Fan agreed, everyone thinks sith are/were evil because they focus on "negative emotions" even though these emotions are very important and powerful, they had genocide committed against them, and were stomped out of existence by the Jedi because of philosophical differences
kills 37 children
F1 Fan well your lost then!
Any one else believe that anakin was just slowly mind controlled by palpatine to join the darkside
The Jedi created Grievous.
Date Masamune lies
It's true, it's even mentioned in the video. Grievous's people were simply defending their homes, but the Jedi sided with the Huk because they were in the senate.
That's why I've always felt bad for Grevious. He's just a broken warrior who became bad for revenge
MG16ncpGB grant The only reason that Grievous became the General of the Droid Army was because Dooku promised him revenge against the Jedi who slaughtered his people and nearly killed him.
MG16ncpGB grant And where did you learn that the Khaleesh are terrorists?
Weird that a secretive organization with huge amounts of power and zero oversight would be seen as bad by the common people. Also, the whole thing reminds me of a quote from Lord Vetinari from Terry Pratchett's Discworld books: "They think they want good government and justice for all, yet what is it they really crave, deep in their hearts? Only that things go on as normal and tomorrow is pretty much like today."
Man, Darth Sidious/Sheev Estaves Palpatine played everyone like a damn fiddle, and the Jedi unknowingly provided the instruments and notes.
Yes, Jedi's were are an opaque order that seem to serve the direct interest of the elites.
Their arrogance was the sword they fell on in the end.
Omg the Star Wars universe needed TH-cam
As the meme says: "From my point of view the force is evil" hahaha, oh Kreia you did it again!, as for Jedi and Sith they are two sides of the same coin to some degree, all is reduced to an unending cycle of abuse of power on both sides. but hey, i had no idea about the sith purge.
of course is just my opinion, irrelevant in the big scheme of things. thanks for the videos!
At 0:25 there is a picture of Shakti (Top right) Showing that she is not dead, but there is a deleted scene from the revenge of the sith, where Shakti is killed in front of Ob-1 and Anikan, By General Grievous. Not sure if it makes it canon or not, just wanna point it out.
Another part of Palpatine's plan was making the Jedi generals. Obviously, the Jedi didn't have any of the skills that a good general needed, and throwing them into situations that they were increasingly ill-equipped to handle undermined support for and faith in them among both the troops and the citizens.