BMW R 1300GS DSA Suspension - Evo Telelever & Variable Spring Rate Explained. Forged Wheels on a GS?
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- BMW R 1300GS DSA Suspension - Evo Telelever & Variable Spring Rate Explained. Forged Wheels on a GS? & Adaptive Vehicle Height Control. BMW R1300GS vs R1250GS (R 1300GS Trophy, Triple Black, Option 719 Tramuntana)
In this episode we are going to explore the benefits of DAS, EVO Telelever, Variable Spring Rate and Adaptive Vehicle Height Control in relation to suspension performance and how you can get the best from the new system on your R-1300GS.
We are also going to look at some of the options you may like include when ordering your new motorbike and I will explain why I would choose the Forged Wheels for a new GS.
We will continue with the comparison between the outgoing R1250GS Rallye (my own bike) with the new R1300GS Triple Black.
The Press-office here in Germany have been great, and agreed to let me test and review a second GS for a 2-week period, which they later extended to 3 weeks. In this episode we look at how to make adjustments within the DSA system to improve suspension performance, and explain about the new EVO Telelever with the Adaptive Vehicle Height Control system.
Part 3 will be available very soon and is 100% focused on testing and comparing the comfort levels between the R1250GS and this new R1300GS… The results are very interesting.
If you have any questions, just leave me a comment and I will reply…
Hopefully you enjoy the content I create, so by Subscribing you are letting me know, that you appreciate the effort and time I invest in creating these episodes, and it also helps to grow and develop the channel.
Best Wishes, Carl
Chapters
00:00 Start
01:00 What is DSA
01:46 The Tripple Black
02:33 Ride and Suspension modes
05:27 Dynamic and Dyna Pro
09:32 DSA Adjustment
12:42 The importance of AVHC
15:26 Variable Spring Rate
19:20 Other Benefits
22:22 Forged Wheels
26:02 Comfort Pack
27:10 Sport Brake - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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R1300GS owner here in the US. Thank you for the work you put into this as you are pretty much the only TH-camr that creates content that explains these important details. Greatly appreciated.
Good evening Patrick, thank you you're for kind words, much appreciated. It's great to hear you enjoy the content, have a good weekend. Regards Carl
I hope it's OK if I reference this video in my 4-month owner review of my R1300GS. The way you explain the suspension is brilliant. I will be directing people to your video here.
Hi Ian, you’re very welcome to do so. Your Channel has grown significantly over the last couple of years and I do watch many of your videos.
Kindest regards Carl - British but living in Germany 🇩🇪🙋🏻♂️
Excellent, I bought the 1300 and you were right, I didn’t understand what the DSA was before! Thanks for sharing
Hi Paul, good morning. You are very welcome 🙏 and thank you for sharing 👍.
Wishing you lots of happy rides on your new GS.
Kind regards Carl
Another excellent video, Carl! And you’re absolutely correct about regular motorcycle journalists: mosts don’t even seem to be able to access the menu, let alone optimise the settings…
Your videos are very much appreciated! 🙏💙
Evening Jessica, thank you 🙏
Hi Carl, I very appreciate your capability of simple explain complex technical stuff. Good job!
Hi Thomas, thank you 🙏 I appreciate the feedback and glad you are enjoying the series.
Best wishes Carl
You are amazing. I just bought 1300 gs last month. It’s amazing bike. And now I can play with it better bec of you Thanks 🙏🏽
Hi Naveen, congratulations on your new GS and glad you are enjoying the R1300GS series.
It’s a very capable motorbike ! I wish for you lots of fun adventures together.
Kind regards Carl
A great explanation of how this rather complex system operates. Thank you. 👍
Hi DB, thank you 🙏, yes it’s not straightforward to understand for everyone.
Best wishes Carl
What a good explanation 👏you are the best !!!
Thanks Gary 👍
Wonderful clarity and smoothness in your presentation. The graphics are so very helpful. Your R1300GS series is the first that I've watched your channel. I'm in the USA, I'm so impressed, and I'm now a subscriber!!
Hi Kent, thank you 🙏 and thank you for subscribing to the channel, we are still a small channel but support is growing.
Your feedback is much appreciated.
Kindest regards Carl
really good content and very well presented.Graphic also really good.thanks just subbed.
Hi SC, much appreciated, thank you 🙏 glad you are enjoying the series. Carl
I just love watching your video's, it is like motorbikes for Dummies. You explain everything so well and its so easy to understand. This was soooo informative. Many thanks
Hi TopDog, thank you 🙏 that’s great to hear and your feedback is much appreciated.
Have a great weekend
Carl
Your videos are outstanding. Thank you for putting so much consideration into the content and presentation. Much appreciated.
Hi Ninteen, thank you 🙏. Another 2 episodes to come soon. Kind regards Carl
Brilliantly explained as always Carl, thank you.
Hi Tim, thank you 🙏
Well done again Carl. Even helped me to understand the menu/flow of my 2021 GS. Thanks.
Hi Brian, many thanks 🙏
As a 1300 owner, this is one of the best videos I seen on the bike. Like you, I like -1 for Road and 0 for Dynamic in the suspension settings.
Hi John, thank you 🙏 it’s a great bike 👍. Thanks for leaving a comment. Carl
Excelente explicación , acabo de comprar la GS1300 (antes tenia la gs1250) y estaba bastante desilusionado con la suspensión ya que la anterior era mucho mas suave en modo Road, gracias a ti me di cuenta que estaba en +2 , o sea lo mas duro .- Además también por fin entendí como usar el botón Burger .- Muchas gracias , tienes un nuevo suscriptor a tu canal.
Hi Francisco, congratulations on your new R1300GS, glad to hear you are enjoying the channel and thank you for subscribing 👍, best wishes Carl
Great video as always Carl 👍
Hi Mila, thank you 🙏
Best wishes Carl
Great video as always!
Thank you Bruce 👍
Hi Carl, you are just so amazing! You share so much so important information we can nowhere else find. I have my GSA 1250 like 4 years now, but I just saw one of you video recently saying that the rain mode is the most convenient/plush suspension settings and you are so right! I use that mode since :) Thank you and keep doing your fantastic videos!
Hi Zoltan, thank you 🙏 glad to hear you are enjoying the GS series a d having fun on your GSA. 👍 Carl
Thank you, for the detailed explanations with your videos. I owned the 1250 and recently traded it for the 1300 after a test ride. I am really ecstatic of what this bike does and feels like it impresses me every day. I will upload some content on it as I move along.
Hi FFTS, congratulations on your new 1300, it is an amazing motorbike and extremely capable so I hope you enjoy her for many happy miles. Thank you for your feedback on the series it’s always nice to hear owners enjoy the videos I make and they find them helpful and informative.
Best wishes Carl
Informative simplified video, had my R1300GS for a month now and moving from a R1200GS this video is helpful given how compartmentalised the owners manual is. Tutorials like this are ideal for the less patient of us.😉
Hi Brodie, glad you found it helpful and welcome to the channel. Best wishes Carl
Thanks for the explanations. Very much appreciated.
Hi Ahmad, thank you 🙏 you are welcome 👍
thanks Carl Brilliant as always !
👍, glad you enjoyed it, Carl
Great explanation, as always! Wish my dealer had known about the multiple advantages of the EVHA. If he'd asked whether I wanted the self-levelling suspension capability I would have said yes - instead I said no to EVHA because I didn't need the lowering ability.
Hi Chris, yes it’s a shame it not clear to new owners, I think the main problem is that if they had explained it to new buyers they probably would have said =
wait … what, I need to pay extra for a feature (self levelling) that was standard on the old 1250 !
That’s probably why it’s not clear to everyone which is a shame and poor marketing.
But the good news is you do have variable spring rate and DSA which are both brilliant
Best wishes Carl
I know its gonna be an epic video! -2 on road and 0 on dynamic for me
Sharing now
😉, thank you Craig 🙏, I’m going to share my favourite suspension setting in video 4, I couldn’t use most of the video footage I took because of the speed 🫣
Greetings to your Wife 👍
Carl
Have to agree! -2 for road & 0 on Dynamic for me too 👍🏍️🏁
Hi Chris, that’s going to be a common setup 👍, thanks for sharing 🙏, Carl
@@justthewayitis You weapon! Dangerous Carl :)
Forged Wheels is a must!
Can I ask what is that leveling arm on the front spring on the 1250 GS. Does it adjust the front in preload Auto mode?
On the 1250 we only get self levelling on the rear which is fine, but the 1300 is dynamically much better
My wife has agreed to be in the next video sharing her thoughts on passenger comfort, we have finished testing and filming which took all last weekend and 8 hours of switching between both bikes. Interesting results
Carl
Thanks for your detailed and very useful video, I'd seen and read a number of comments from different people saying that the new bike seemed to be a bit firmer and lacking the loping "easy" ride feel that characterised the old bike. Evidently they had not tried the settings adjustments you highlighted. Like a few others I'm hanging fire to see what the GSA replacement turns out to be, and pretty happy with my 1250 anyway. I'll definitely be in a much better position to assess the 1300 though, off the back of this video, when I get around to test riding one .
Hi Stewart, thanks for sharing 👍, I think a lot of 1250 are waiting to see what the GSA is like and if BMW sort a few things out.
Glad you enjoyed the video
Best wishes Carl
As usual, thanks a lot for the great explanation.
Hello Savas, thank you 👍
Hi Carl as I'm currently riding both my R1250GS Rallye and a R1300GS Trophy Enduro version back to back now for 9 months l found ur vid interesting. My 1300 has the taller Enduro package which suits my size and off ride riding too. With the higher bars suspension and the brilliant new lighter forged alloys this bikes a transformation both on and off road. I've fine tuned my suspension and also the throttle responsiveness of the 1300 in all modes again this works well especially for Enduro Pro mode a much softer throttle position helps you. Keep up the good work looking forward to ur next update. #caledonianbiker
Hi CB and good morning, thank you for your feedback on the channel and I’m delighted to hear your having great success on your new 1300 Trophy Enduro, it sounds like you have a great specification that suits your requirements.
I’ve not managed yet to test a version with sports / tall suspension but I hope to later in the season and of course those lovely lightweight wheels.
Thank you for sharing 👍
Kind regards Carl
Great video Carl
Thank you 👍
Sabías palabras,da gusto ver tus videos educativos, sin duda el número 1 y muchas gracias por los sustitulos en Español
Hi Pedro gracias, podría hacerte una pregunta? Están los subtítulos en español bien y son comprensibles?
Carl
Perfectamente, asi da gusto aprender gracias a tus vídeos informativos
Thank you 🙏
amazing explanation , thank you so much for this video
Your very welcome 🙏
Yup ..top info…I test rode one in early March and came away not that impressed I thought the suspension was awful ..went back a couple of weeks later with a smattering of info about the DSA adjustment ..and set it up -2 road and it was ace …get mine first week of June
Hi Gerry, yes the dealership could be better informed, and June is not far away 👍 not long to wait. Carl
Absolutely brilliant video thank you, I took the 1300 out and was not happy with the suspension. I told the sales man this and he just said ow ok lol. So he must not have known about the adjustment you can make in the modes. Now I know this now I will revisit the 1300. Im still waiting for the GSA tho 👍
Many many waiting for the GSA, and this week BMW announced it might have an Auto gearbox as an option 👍
Have fun with your second road test 🙋🏻♂️. Carl
You’ll generally find the sales peoples’ skill set is about selling things rather than knowing much about them. The training they get goes through the basics but most are just trying to flog enough bikes to make their commission target. I’ve bought BMWs from 8 dealers around the midlands and southern UK and except for my current longer term relationship with my local dealer most purchases have been somewhere between indifferent and totally uninterested. I guess they still sell bucketloads so no need for customer service - but will it be like that forever?
You raise a good point, better training is required so that potential buyers understand the options and the benefits.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Have a great weekend
Carl 👍
Will be nice to see some videos with the actual behavior of the bike for each mode. Specially for the Dynamic Pro with more power unlocked 😊
Hi John, that’s a great idea 💡 but the problem is filming it I would need two helpers who know how to use camera systems and several days to film it. But I have an ideal for episode 4 😉
Best wishes Carl
Great explanation Carl, I'm looking forward to the new episode. The new suspension system is really interesting. Just one question for you, when will you order a new GS1300...🙂
Hi Edward, thank you 🙏, I would love to order one, but I need to wait a few years, maybe the M1300GS might persuade me in 2025. 😉
Brilliant video 😄👍
Thank you 🙏
Awesome video! Certainly in depth and comprehensive. I think it's a beautiful bike with some amazing features. Even though I have a '22 GS I still enjoy watching these. I do have a question. I have not seen any discussion about the finish on the engine and the frame? If you have content on this please direct me. Great job! Best!
Great question, well it’s certainly easy to keep clean and wash compared to our 1250 model, but only time will tell if the new finish holds up.
I’ve seen some test models with quite a lot of wear marks up by the seat and leg area, so I would probably use a graphic or 3D gel sticker to protect that area.
Thank you for the comments.
Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Thank you Carl. Any ideas on what it is? Best!
Nope, but I'll try to find out 👍
That's interesting Carl and thanks for sharing it. I ride in enduro mode sometimes on the road because I like the softer suspension, but I can't use cruise control in that mode. 1250 GSA. good feature on the new 1300
I didn’t know that 😉 about no cruise control in enduro mode.
The 1250 is still more comfortable and in the next episode my wife shares your thoughts as a passenger .
Have a great weekend 🙏
Carl
Try rain mode, it is very soft and cruise works.
Thanks for sharing 👍 this tip
Hi Carl, greetings from Australia! Thank you very much for the excellent and very informative video! As I understand, we cannot get the Adaptive Height Adjustment with the Sports Suspension option. Are all the other adjustments under Dynamic Suspension Adjustment the same on the sports suspension as the standard Suspension? Thank you.
Hi Pankaj, correct AVHC is not available if you want Sports Suspension.
I believe DSA is standard if you have DSA and 7 ride modes even if you choose Sports Suspension.
But suggest you call your dealership to confirm
Carl
Another difference with the forged wheels is that the rotor is fully floating vs. partial floating on the other wheel options. Already one report of squeaking rotor from this. Also have heard of a damaged forged wheel already.
Hi Eric, I had heard about squeaky issues but not about damage. Thanks for letting me know 👍 much appreciated
Carl
@@justthewayitis Yea hard to know what to conclude about the one damaged wheel, but worth keeping an eye on. I sure enjoy the ease of cleaning my cast wheels on my 1200 but would definitely be interested in the forged option on the 1300, but not sure I want to hear squeaking rotor so may just stick with cast wheels again since I am not a dirt rider.
Note that these are not truly forged wheels... it is very misleading branding on BMW's part. They are technically hybrid- or cast-forged. Also, BMW states that they are not as off-road durable as the wire spoked wheels; they fall in between the normal cast and the spokes.
Thank you for the extra information 👍
I have the forged wheels, utterly superb. I strongly recommend them.
TBF most GS owners haven't got a clue . They just buy on hearsay instead of buying for a reason, yes I'm a Ex GS owner and do really like the 1300.
Hi Alan, good afternoon, well it’s a lovely motorbike but jolly expensive by the time you add all the options. Dynamically it’s quite amazing which il will cover in episode 4
Carl 🙋🏻♂️
@@justthewayitis Yea a pal has bought the Triple black no luggage but most other bits, it's taking him a while to get comfortable on it he's suffering with a little back pain, that he never had on the 1250 I'm sure it's just muscle memory and will be good it time.
Hi Alan, what you say about muscle memory is true, but the seats are not great on the new 1300, in episode 3 ( up next week) it’s all about comfort and my wife and I spend 8 hours going between the new and old… conclusion is it’s the seats that are the problem.
I’ve tried the standard comfort seat (not great) but the tall comfort seat might be better due to the extra foam.
Suggest to your friend to try one “Without” the height adjustment lever underneath the seat.
Their are two versions
One that is adjustable
One that s not
Carl
Hi Carl, very informative. Two questions:
1. One of the weaknesses of many electronic suspension systems is that the preload is set for a minimum weight that is typically around 80-85Kg for the rider. I’m a fair bit lighter than that and I get bounced around on many electronic suspension bikes, although the 1250 is one of the better bikes. You cannot manually set up static sag on electronic suspension as far as I am aware. Does the 1300GS address this? You’ve only mentioned adding weight via a pillion or heavier rider.
2) The forged wheels are lighter than spoked wheels but are they lighter than the regular cast wheels? I’ve not been able to find a conclusive answer.
The 1300 seems like quite a piece of engineering but with that has come more complexity so your video has made quite a few things clearer.
Hi MH, thank you for your feedback 👍
Yes Forged wheels are lighter than the alloy ones but by how much I don’t have an exact figure.
No manual adjustment is possible on the 1300, it might be better to get a pair of correctly weighted springs if your very light. But keep the variable spring activation so you can still add +20 stiffness if required.
It’s hard for manufacturers to pitch a bike in terms of spring weight for all rider weights.
The 1250 21 onwards can be manually set to minimum, which is a nice plus.
Carl
Well explained as usual Carl.im still struggling with its looks, I don’t doubt its a superior machine to our 1250s but for me its lost its muscle , the old GS & especially the GSA just ooze / command the road .
Yes, smile, the looks are not for everyone. The 1250 is going to be loved for many years. 👍
Do your videos have adaptive height as well? Because they always seem to get to a higher level 😂.
As always brilliant, Carl!
I have ordered a 1300 last week and will take delivery in June. However, coming from a 1250GSA I found the 1300 to be a little bit on the small side and a bit low. I’m 1,87 but have relative long legs so I opted for the sports suspension option which, next to making the bike higher, should improve handling both on- and off-road according to BMW. That rules out the adaptive right hight option since they can’t be combined. Will it have the variable spring rate with the sport suspension?
Hi Michiel, I think you are correct and the sports suspension versions also have variable spring rate.
Please come back and share what your bike is like. I have asked to review one with sports suspension but they have none within the press fleet. Shame.
Have a great weekend 👍
@@justthewayitis You can use my bike for a comparison video once I get it. Germany isn't that far. It's that little country I pass through on my way to Austria...
lol, thank you for your offer, I might just accept 😉🙋🏻♂️
Would you even recommend the adaptive ride height for people that don’t need the lowering function?
Yes, because of the additional benefits it brings. Definitely worth adding. 👍
Thank you Carl for this precious info! My question: Would I see a noticeable difference in my riding experience on my GS1250 if I switched my factory aluminium wheels to the new forged wheels (lower unsprung weight) supplied on the GS 1300? Is it worth the money? Thanks, Marc, Quebec,Canada 🇨🇦🏍😉
Hi Marc, sadly we will never know because the wheels on the new 1300 do not fit on the 1250, for example the front wheel spindal has increased in size / diameter, so it will not fit on the early models.
I hope to test a GS with them and sports suspension later in the season.
Have a great weekend, Carl
Marc, When you purchase a new bike, it’s definitely worth the money ! 👍🏼
Would be interested to hear your comments on the sports suspension option. Is it better than the adaptive suspension in any way? What benefits if any are there to purchasing it?
Hi Simone, I’ve tried the 1250 with sports suspension and it’s great, more travel and better ride quality on the road. But I’ve not tried that option on the 1300 yet, I hope BMW will arrange one for review. But the official description is now it’s more Off-road focused.
So I’m unsure!
Carl
Hello, I would like to know, if the electronic adaptive suspension is installed, what are the heights of the standard saddle in each level min/max, thank you.
Hello, sorry i cant answer that question because their are so many different variations of model and seat all of which makes a slight difference. The best place to find the answer is to ask your local BVMW dealership.
Kind Regards Carl
I'm going to test ride an R1300GS tomorrow. This video is dangerous to my wallet.
Well let me know what you think of your test ride today , and is your wallet empty 🙋🏻♂️
@@justthewayitis My wallet isn't empty, partly because my test ride was pretty short. It's a bit of a long story but the test ride I signed up for was delayed so they sent me out on an Enduro pack model, not the normal one and I didn't quite gel with it like I do with my current R1250RS.
I was a bit surprised, but the 1300 engine didn't feel as smooth as my 1250, though my 1250 has 14k miles on it at this point.
I'll definitely try another and maybe in a year I'll look for a very low mile used model. Thanks again for all the great content.
Hi Paul, can you send me a quick email, my address is
Contactcarltoday@gmail.com
Something to share, Carl
Only 1 question Carl, do you have the winning Eurolotto numbers please? N from sunny W
lol, if only we did….
And yes it’s jolly expensive 🫣
Hi the links aren’t working. Great bike by the way .👍
Hi Simon, I've just added the links.... you have three options. If you have a question just ask or send me an email... kind regards Carl
Can I adjust the height of the 1300 to the maximum while it is on the softest phase? Or is it a contradiction?
Hi Ran, while using AVHC you can choose via the menu the following:
Auto or High in Eco,Rain,Road
Auto or High in Dynamic, Dynamic pro
Low or High in Enduro, Enduro pro
Hope that helps 👍
Kind regards Carl
I still can't figure out how to switch the 3 ride modes that you setup on the button. Or how to get into the pro modes and do adjustments in there.
You are not the only one, many owners find the new menu hard to use as it’s not very intuitive.
Carl 👍
@justthewayitis the Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer I had previously was much maligned over its complicated screen setup but it was much easier to navigate. Your video did inspire me to spend more time figuring out the new GS and I did get it now. Still not intuitive for me but it's my first BMW. Hardly a deal breaker for a bike that is so fantastic otherwise!
Good for you having a go, I know it’s not very intuitive to use, so well done for spending time exploring. 🙋🏻♂️, Carl
I find it very difficult for there to be a buyer of a gs1300 who does not know what the DSA that replaced the ESA is.
Not sure about that 3rd benefit of height reduction as even without that option the bike still has the dual spring rate so surely would be same?
Hi Frank, correct it still has variable spring rate if it’s got dynamic ESA and 7 ride modes, but AVHC brings the other benefits especially when riding off road. BMW technical office was only willing to disclose and share up to point… the system was developed by ZF.
Also the spring rate control and AVHC are in fact two separate systems which are controlled independently. It’s a little sad that if we want auto self levelling which we had on the rear of the 1250, we now have to pay extra for it on the 1300.
So if i buy a bike without avhc i dont get adaptive ride height?
Hi Anders, you will still have self levelling as standard but no adjustment. AVHC is worth adding in my opinion.
Have a great weekend
Carl
👍👏👏👏
Hi Osman, thank you 🙏
That 1300 looks tiny next to the 1250.
Yes it does 🫣
Only the Germans could create such a complex system. Russian motorbike. One option. Ride.
Hi Dave , 😉
Now let's see you fix it after you've dropped it in a river in Kazakhstan..
Smile...