There has been several questions about changing motor direction. Here are the steps you can follow to make sense of it. I hope this helps. Thank everyone for the support and I hope you enjoy the way your hawk flies. Step 1. Change motor direction in BlHeli. You can do this by changing the tab that says normal or reversed under each ESC in BlHeli. (if you want to change motor direction, just change it to the opposite of what it is.) This will reverse the motor direction. 2. Change the motor direction tab in the configuration page of Betaflight. (this tells betaflight that you have your motors spining backwards so it lets the fc know) 3. Change prop direction. (since you have changed the way the motors spin, you also need to change the way that the props spin to create thrust.)
i got it, but in blheli will be all reverse? i set on betaflight (reverse) after that: i flash the blheli-M and put all reverse, 1,2,3 and 4? am i right?
@@HerbertFPVBrasil No, factory setup for TH2 is 1: reversed, 2: normal, 3: normal, 4: reversed. So it should be: 1: normal, 2: reversed, 3: reversed, 4: normal.
Stock FW on mine is ESC 1: S-H-90, 16.7. How do I get from 16.7 to 16.77 so I can get the higher rates? Do I go straight to installing 16.77 or does it require incremental updates? EDIT: Nevermind, I just went straight to 16.77 and it worked fine. Thanks
I Just flashed the Jazzmavric 48k firmware version to my TH2.. The difference is absolutely incredible! Longer flight times and quad feels so much more locked in.. I was racing around my little flat, so much faster than I have ever flown this thing! Thankyou for this video 🙂
I made all your changes except reversing motor direction (b/c changing the Tiny Hawk 2's props is a real pita for me) just to see what would happen. I love how it flys with your suggested rates! Now when I switch back to my previous best rates, they feel sluggish and heavy. Thanks for the great info and video!
You helped me a lot with my Tinyhawk 2, I tried so many things that does not even get close to what I was looking for. Thanks for this video :) Greetings from France.
thank you man, just tested this out and can already feel the extra boost it added indoors (im using the tinyhawk 2 freestyle tho). Of course it just started raining though lol will test outdoors asap
You made my day (and my week)!!! Thank you so much for sharing this. My TH2 flies a lot better now, more accurate, more responsive, and also longer flight times! Some say that RPM filtering isn't necessary for tiny whoops, but that seems to be wrong! Now there is something else..., I tried to do the same thing on my Rekon 3 nano long range quad, but there it turned out completely different :-( The Rekon3 has a Zeus5 AIO board (not Matek) with betaflight 4.2 and probably different ESC's, but with the same firmware (the same version) as on my Matek board on theTH2. After updating the firmware and activating the bidirectional Dshot 300, the board becomes very hot after a few minutes flying. So hot that I'm afraid to go on with it, so I went back to normal DShot600 without the RPM filtering... Do I miss something here? Do I need to change other settings too? I know that Matek boards are always high quality and probably use better HQ components, but is that the only possible explanation?
I would highly recommend changing over to BT 2.0, not for longer flight time but better power delivery to your motors and less battery sag. Remember the improvement when they direct soldered the motors?
Definitely going to try these settings on my TH S..... Dammit I just remembered that my dog broke the usb plug off of my th s fc 🤣. Oh well I can always try them on my original tiny hawk and compare the tune to mockingbird.
I get an error in BlHeli that says "Could not load local firmware: undefined" manually selecting the hex file. Any solution for this? Thanks in advance for any advice!
I know the video is old, but it's still an excellent resource from an obviously very experienced racer (I also watched your "review from a racer perspective", fantastic flying there!). just a quick question: do you race in angle or acro, and are these PIDs and rates suitable for both? thanks!
I have a concern with this whoop when switching from 1s to 2s.do you have to change the profile 1 to profile 2 or this is not really necesary?i was flying on 1s and when i put the 2s lipo smoke came out.i just want to make sure because i order a new one and i dont want to go thru the same issue...
Hello great vid that´s what I needed but I´ve got 2s 450mah tattu batteries and I´m wondering if Ican use the same pids for 2s? Thanks sir, this is very useful
The same pids for 2s would prolly mess something up sadly. I have not been able to get the time for a good 2s tune. I really need to find one on 2s though.
@BlueLine%20FPV Great Video!.. I wanted to try your setup on my TH2 except I'm running the JESC48KHz fw. When I went to reverse the motors in "jesc config" I was confused why only one esc is reveresed, is that normal? So change the 3 to reversed and the 1 to normal?.. Then just swap the props and reverse in bf, correct?... Thanks in advance for your advice!
Thanks for the comment brother. If you are needing to reverse a motor, go into the software and change it from what the current setting is to the other. So if it says reversed change it to normal amd vise versa. Do it for each motor and then change the props to the correct direction to reflect reversed props. 😁 I hope that helps. Let me know if you need anything else. 👍👍
Hy there ! Great Video, thank you for the Info. Is there something like this that could explain the settings i should use for the Tinyhawk Race 2 ? Im trying to tune mine because of a lot of prop wash but i don't know the necessary PID settings cause im still a beginner.
Why are did you enable bi-direction DSHOT? What does that do? and why DSHOT 300 vs 600? Why did you change the Gyro and PID settings at 4khz vs the stock setting of 8 and 4 respectively?
Bi directional d shot is RPM filtering. You have to lower the D shot command to 300 for it to work correctly. Dshot 600 is a little too much for the processor to handle. Also its needed to change the pid loop to 4k to make it less processor intensive.
Hi BlueLine, After following your video guide, I noticed an avg. cpu load of 70% with 4k/4k? On DSHOT 150 and 2k/2k its around 20%. Is your CPU time that high as well?
Hi BlueLine, I have a Tinyhawk 2 and I have followed your video but when I tried to fly, after arm I puss throttle and the quad just spins 180 in the place and I get a runaway alert in the OSD, what is the problem? how I can solve it. Thanks in advance. And great flights!!! this is my first quad and I can said it is really fun
Why you have only one motor reversed in BLHeli? Mine have 1 and 4 reversed, is that ok isn't it? thank you nice video, I was wondering about that RPM filter :)
I've been in the quad game for quite some time, but infrequently (work, family, etc.). I used your PIDs and rates and the quad would yaw quickly then disarm as soon as I armed it. I reloaded the old betaflight profile but kept the new ESC flash with the reversed motor direction and it was money! If anyone else had this issue and fixed it let me know. I still want to improve my TH II further.
If they quad yawed then disarmed, it was prolly a runaway. That being said, the most common things to do to fix that are these things: 1.Check and see if your motors are spinning correctly 2. Make sure, in the configuration tab, that your motor direction is set to reversed. 3. Make sure your props on all on correctly.
Another interesting thing is happening to me. When I plug the battery I hear the ESC starting tone twice. I tried to deselect the bidirectional Dshot on BF, and then it does not do it. When I select it again, the twiced tone is there again. Is that normal?
@@bluelinefpv559 Thanks for your reply!! Yep, it looks like a reset. But it is not happening when I deselect the bidirectional Dshot tab. I just updated the Jazz Mav 19.77 (I had 19.9 previously) and it is still doing it... Weird..
Step 1. Change motor direction in BlHeli. You can do this by changing the tab that says normal or reversed under each ESC in BlHeli. (if you want to change motor direction, just change it to the opposite of what it is.) This will reverse the motor direction. 2. Change the motor direction tab in the configuration page of Betaflight. (this tells betaflight that you have your motors spining backwards so it lets the fc know) 3. Change prop direction. (since you have changed the way the motors spin, you also need to change the way that the props spin to create thrust.) I hope this helps man!!
Awesome instructional video man. But I didn't see the tab where I could set pilot skill? 😁 Yeah, I wish. I'm gonna try putting the blheli_s FW on one of mine. Thanks.
@@bluelinefpv559 , yeah my Xilo stack on my Chameleon is my only Blheli32, it was so easy. That's why I wanted the same one for my racers. But I think I can use the blheli_s on the Iflight stack and get it to work.
Sorry for the late reply. Honestly I haven't tried it with 2s. With summer being here we will be doing some 2s outdoor racing so I'll be doing some testing for sure. I'll make a video on it when I do 😁
I have never used the jumper radios nor have any clue how to lol as long as you can put the radio in bind mode, you cam follow the steps on binding the tinyhawk like normal and it should work.
If I am wrong, I apologize, but I believe Jumper uses a different protocol than FrSky, which the Tinyhawk Series comes with. This being said, you may need to desolder the stock SPI receiver and solder in a new Jumper receiver.
hi, so can you still test on 2s?? i get some crazy vibrations when i put the rpm filter like you do in the video im not a great pid tuner but maybe lower p gain? i dont know.. let me know thanks!
Hi! I was wondering about 2s tune. Because in the video, i see that youre focusing on 1s so im not sure what to do for 2s. I tried emuflight and whenever i put a 2s, it shoots to the moon as soon as i arm. So now i am afraid of flying 2s
Sorry your having that issue brother. I actually dont have a 2s tune as I havent spent anytime flying or tuning 2s on these little birds. I do plan on running some 2s packs on them, but it may be a while before o come up with a tune. When I do I'll try and make a video on it. Sorry i couldn't help now brother.
Hello, I need some assistance on my TH2 after following your instructions. Once I went to test my TinyHawk2 it no longer arms. When I arm it the motors do not spin. Within the motors tab in Betaflight it actually shows as if the motors are spinning but nothing is happening. Any suggestions? I’m a bummed that I can no longer arm the quad for some reason
Here are a few steps to follow. 1. Double check that you have installed the correct esc firmware in BLheli. To each of your esc. (16.77) 2.Turn off the bidirectional d shot tab in the configuration page. Attempt to spin the motors. (If the motors spin after doing this, the ESC firmware that was loaded is most likley incorrect) if the motors spin make sure that you change the settings in the filters tab back to the original if you plan to fly with out bidirectional d shot enabled (RPM filter)
@@bluelinefpv559 I had the same issue and checked a few times and tried different versions of S_H_90 but I still run into the same issue whereby enabling dshot300 and bidirectional the motors still don't spin. Any help troubleshooting will be really appreciated!
@@bluelinefpv559 I think that's the root cause of my issue. Regardless of the ESC firmware I install I feel it doesn't gets updated as the BLheli always shows the same S-H-90, 16.7 :( I noticed that after plugging in the USB and opening BLHeli and clicking on 'Connect' at the top when it says to Connect power to ESCs I don't hear any ESC beeping.
@@JunaidHassan-junaidslife Sorry its not updating for you. There may be an issue somewhere thats not allowing it to update. Despite that, keeping Bidirectional Dshot off in the configuration tab and running DSHOT600 should still fly good.
So I followed this guide step by step. Ran into issues with my quad to I wanted to revert back to factory settings. Followed emax's guide online, did the firmware, CLI dump etc. now my back left motor (3) is spinning in the wrong direction. What can I do to fix that?
BlueLine FPV not your fault mate no worries. I managed to fix it I believe. I needed to do a enable full erase of the board while changing my firmware back to emax’s - I guess it was still using firmware inputs from bhheli
Hi, Thanks for the video. I just seen this video and I’ve been looking for a descent tune for both my S and 2, but on BetaFlight 4.2 for both 1S and 2S. Have you considered doing the tunes on BF 4.2 for both 1S and 2S? Thanks.
Iam actually slowly working on it as of now lol. The only problem is, this current tune flies so good, its hard to settle on a 4.2 tune lol Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@bluelinefpv559 I hear you. Have had the time for the 2S on 4.1? As for now, would you be OK to share your CLI for both your 1S and 2S on BF 4.1? Thanks again for your reply and quick response.
@@samavella8831 I kinda started a 2s tune but stopped due to lack of time. Iam sure ill get one eventually lol. Drop your email and ill send the CLI over. Its to long to post in a comment.
Did you install the correct ESC firmware? If you are following the steps in the video it should work. Try turning off bidirectional d shot in the configuration tab and seeing if the motors will spin. If they do then the wrong esc firmware is installed. If this works you must change the filters back to normal if you plan on flying it with out using bidirectional d shot (rpm filtering) good luck😁 let me know if your still having issues
Hello and congratulations for the video. I have updated my tinyhawk 2 with jesc and telemetry. I copied your settings to both PID and RATES and TH2 flies very well. I wanted to ask you if you can give me the pid / rates settings of profile 1 (1S batteries) and pid / rate profile 2 (2s batteries). From your video with you can clearly see the values of the gas curve. Thanks. Sorry for my english, but without google translator I couldn't have written you. Congratulations again.
Thank you. I am glad you enjoyed the video and it flies good. If you skip to 2:53 seconds in the video, you can see ny pids for 1s. I have not had the time to tune for 2s just yet. 😁😁
I have the same issue. It went away when I changed motor direction back to normal. I followed everything exactly as the video shows. Still a good tune.
Sup man! Go and download the Bl_heli configurator. Once you do go into their and change the direction of your motor by changing the motor direction slider to opposite what it's currently set to. 😁
Thank you for the video :) Just want to ask something. In JazzMaverick firmware site i see there are versions as "Hex_files_16.8_rc3_48k" and "Hex_files_16.8_rc3_24k" do you know what the "K" stands for? everybody suggesting for the 48khz but i see that you are installing a 24k file why is that? Or the "K" near the 24 has nothing to do with khz? Just wondering . Thanks again :)
I believe that the K is for Khz. The reason I run the 24k instead of 48k is because it was more prevalent when I installed it. I also heard that the 48k has a little more latency, but I have not tested that yet. I've just been sticking with the 24k because it works hella good.😁 Thanks for watching brother!! See me really push it on the GQ track in my newest video with the TH
@@bluelinefpv559 ah i see . Thank you very much for the quick reply. I just got the TH2 today and a bit excited o try it tomorrow :D And i saw the video its crazy :D
@@bluelinefpv559 Its been a while and your rates work like a charm :D If you want to see here is my first and latest flight :) First th-cam.com/video/2iqCvSz9I6I/w-d-xo.html Latest th-cam.com/video/66GDDG_use0/w-d-xo.html By the way do you fly 2s and if you do would you like to share your settings for those too? :D:D
So what is the longest flight time with the tinyhawk 2? I found the tinyhawk s had more flight time also does this firmware give you better flight time than the original tinyhawk 2 settings? Thank you
I never really flew the TH2 for longer then 2 mins because I never race for longer then that period of time. I can tell from ending voltage that the hawk s would get a little more flight time, but the trade off is power and a better camera. As soon as I got the Hawk2 I changed to RPM filtering so I never messed around with stock settings and filters.
Man!! You re rates are sweet ! I’m just starting out on my RTF th2 and I was having a lot of issues tweaking betaflight mostly due to my lack of knowledge. I did most of what you explained here except the bi directional d shot part and it’s making my experience wayyyyy more enjoyable immediately
@@bluelinefpv559 man world of difference. Iv been on beta flight past 3 days, kept pitching left. I'd get it str8, save and for some reason it kept happening. This video some how solved that. I'm flying currently. Mu h happier now. Was a pain trying to keep it strate.
I get an error ( ibb.co/x7cwmwk ). What could it be? the file i wanted to use was: S_H_90_24_REV16_77.HEX 1- downgrade from btfl 4.1.6 to 4.1.0 2- leave the configuration unchanged 3- close betaflight 4- open BLHeli configurator 5- press *flash all* and search for the file should I first make the changes in betaflight?
Ah I think I see whats happening. Go back to the page wehre you down load the firmware. Instead of right clicking the firmware link and saving it, Click the link and right click where it says "RAW" save it to file and use that file to upload to you ESC. Let me know what happens
@@bluelinefpv559 Thanks was that! Now I go to betaflight and configure as this document says: docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wqkfTVaZ5oRLraZllG8dzRg92FMg39MyZCpEvVOBD9A/edit?usp=sharing but when I arm TH2 jumps and marks RunAway on the glasses. Also the sound of the motors (on Armed) sounds finer, is it normal? To return to BLHeli's default, in Flash All, I select the official 16.7, right?
@@fifofito If you plan on using RPM filtering on the Tinyhawk I would just follow the settings that I have in this video. Anything else would make it more complicated. Lol as far as the sounds that's normal for that Firmware. If you plan on reverting back, you can find the dump file from emax website and also revert the esc protocol back. Hope this helps brother.
Getting an error when trying to load firmware. S-H-90 for the ESC, downloaded the file for 16.7 (ESC 1-4: S-H-90, 16.7), 16.77 24k, and getting error. "Loaded file ~\Downloads\S_H_90_24_REV16_77.HEX" "Could not load local firmware: undefined" Cant arm up currently, even tried dropping back over to DSHOT600. May have to go back and undo all the settings I suppose.
when downloading the firmware from the website, instead of right clicking to save the file, click on the file and then right click save on the section that says RAW. I hope this helps. I ran into this issue a few times before.
@@bluelinefpv559 thanks for that! worked this time. Also, you mentioned reversing the motors in blheli, AND in betaflight? seen others ask in here about that and didnt catch an answer,. in the vid you just mention it and didnt show! thanks! (ill try both ways testing if it arms up this time :P)
@@dmnchild Iam glad that worked brother! As for reversing the motor direction there are three things that you need to do. Step 1. Change motor direction in BlHeli. You can do this by changing the tab that says normal or reversed under each ESC in BlHeli. (if you want to change motor direction, just change it to the opposite of what it is.) This will reverse the motor direction. 2. Change the motor direction tab in the configuration page of Betaflight. (this tells betaflight that you have your motors spining backwards so it lets the fc know) 3. Change prop direction. (since you have changed the way the motors spin, you also need to change the way that the props spin to create thrust.) I hope this helps and your enjoy sending your TH!! Thanks for the SUB btw!!
@@bluelinefpv559 Yeah thats what I did. Just changed what was in Heli, then clicked the button in betaflight. So much more snappy now, its going to be a learning curve since i just starting on on this, and fly it around work (overnights lol)
hellow, can u correct me if i am wrong, i connected by BELHELI to tinihawk2 and my stock version is ESC 1:S-H-90, 16.7 so i must download from github.com/JazzMaverick/BLHeli/tree/JazzMaverick-patch-1/BLHeli_S%20SiLabs/Hex%20files%20%2016.7 this version S_H_90_REV16_7.HEX am i right????? and why after firmware BELHELI need reverce ESC??? why is bad to leave stock? or it will not be like in stock ESC1 reverced ESC2 normal ESC3 NORMAL ESC4 reverced??????
@@bluelinefpv559 Well I accidentally upgraded to BF4.2.2. Turns out RPM filtering isn't quite up to date for the new BF. I also had trouble with Jazz. I ended up reverting back to BF 4.1 and buying JESC; I had a better time installing the firmware. I also must mention I was a bit confused about the motor direction. The thumbnail of your video confirmed that I SHOULD swap the props. The main issue I'm running into now is that One of my ESCs doesn't start up normally if my battery isn't fully charged. I'm going to do a bunch more testing this weekend, I'll report back if there are any issues. I do have a second question, Have you tried turning on RPM filtering for profile 2 (for 2s bats)?
@@C_Haberstoked I havent given 2s a try yet for the th2. I've thought about experiment with it, but haven't got around to it. I hope youcm can get that issue fixed. I wouldn't know what would cause that esc not starting up when the battery isn't full.
@@bluelinefpv559 After some troubleshooting with other motors I found that the motor was faulty. Swapped it out with a fresh, and I'm good! BTW, RPM filtering seems to be turned on for all profiles when you turn it on for one. Soooo that means its all good to go for 2s! Thanks again for your video and for replying to my comments/questions. Have a good weekend!
Now when I Arm nothing happens. Also the three short tones that play when you plug the battery in, play twice before the 2 long long tones play. Using the Tinyhawk 2.
I just loaded my backup on Betaflight and did some trouble shooting, It was the Bidirectional DShot I turned it off and I was flying again. Also for some reason in the BLHelli Configurator the Hex File wouldn't flash when I selected it. So it seems that i never actually flashed the file to my ESCs.
@@EyeonFGCPlus iam glad you got it figure out sorry for the long reply. I've been flying mostly all day. Sometimes you have to click on the correct firmware version and then right click and save the raw file. This worked for me on the esc that wouldn't accept the file. Also be sure to flash every esc on your quad. They need to be running the same firmware version for Bidirectional dshot to work.
@@bluelinefpv559 Also while I am at it, Why Dshot300 over Dshot600 and 4k/4k over 8k/8k, I have had mine set to 8k/8k and Dshot600 since i got it, for not other reason than I saw some one set it that way. (I am fairly new to FPV I have only gotten my Tinyhawk 2 like a week and a few days ago.)
Sorry to bug you a billion times lol. I found that 4k/4k and Dshot 300 reduses the CPU load so that I can Arm with Bidirectional DShot active. But still the Quad won't arm. Or actually the quad WILL Arm but the motors will not spin. but only with BiDir-Dshot on. When I turn that off everything works fine.
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There has been several questions about changing motor direction. Here are the steps you can follow to make sense of it. I hope this helps. Thank everyone for the support and I hope you enjoy the way your hawk flies.
Step 1. Change motor direction in BlHeli. You can do this by changing the tab that says normal or reversed under each ESC in BlHeli. (if you want to change motor direction, just change it to the opposite of what it is.) This will reverse the motor direction.
2. Change the motor direction tab in the configuration page of Betaflight. (this tells betaflight that you have your motors spining backwards so it lets the fc know)
3. Change prop direction. (since you have changed the way the motors spin, you also need to change the way that the props spin to create thrust.)
i got it, but in blheli will be all reverse?
i set on betaflight (reverse)
after that: i flash the blheli-M and put all reverse, 1,2,3 and 4? am i right?
@@HerbertFPVBrasil No, factory setup for TH2 is 1: reversed, 2: normal, 3: normal, 4: reversed. So it should be: 1: normal, 2: reversed, 3: reversed, 4: normal.
@@robertorama8284 thanx
Stock FW on mine is ESC 1: S-H-90, 16.7. How do I get from 16.7 to 16.77 so I can get the higher rates? Do I go straight to installing 16.77 or does it require incremental updates?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just went straight to 16.77 and it worked fine. Thanks
I Just flashed the Jazzmavric 48k firmware version to my TH2..
The difference is absolutely incredible!
Longer flight times and quad feels so much more locked in..
I was racing around my little flat, so much faster than I have ever flown this thing!
Thankyou for this video 🙂
I made all your changes except reversing motor direction (b/c changing the Tiny Hawk 2's props is a real pita for me) just to see what would happen. I love how it flys with your suggested rates! Now when I switch back to my previous best rates, they feel sluggish and heavy. Thanks for the great info and video!
You helped me a lot with my Tinyhawk 2, I tried so many things that does not even get close to what I was looking for. Thanks for this video :) Greetings from France.
Thank you brother. Glad it was able to help!! 😁😁
thank you man, just tested this out and can already feel the extra boost it added indoors (im using the tinyhawk 2 freestyle tho). Of course it just started raining though lol will test outdoors asap
You made my day (and my week)!!! Thank you so much for sharing this.
My TH2 flies a lot better now, more accurate, more responsive, and also longer flight times!
Some say that RPM filtering isn't necessary for tiny whoops, but that seems to be wrong!
Now there is something else..., I tried to do the same thing on my Rekon 3 nano long range quad, but there it turned out completely different :-(
The Rekon3 has a Zeus5 AIO board (not Matek) with betaflight 4.2 and probably different ESC's, but with the same firmware (the same version) as on my Matek board on theTH2.
After updating the firmware and activating the bidirectional Dshot 300, the board becomes very hot after a few minutes flying. So hot that I'm afraid to go on with it, so I went back to normal DShot600 without the RPM filtering... Do I miss something here? Do I need to change other settings too?
I know that Matek boards are always high quality and probably use better HQ components, but is that the only possible explanation?
I would highly recommend changing over to BT 2.0, not for longer flight time but better power delivery to your motors and less battery sag. Remember the improvement when they direct soldered the motors?
Wow what a difference this makes 🙌🙌🙌
😁😁 glad I could help brother! Send it
BlueLine FPV Fullest Sends incoming 🔥
Would it be possible or would it help to run props in in the rear and props out in the front? Or vice versa
Do you have to do anything to fly on 2s or does something change automatically
Fr this really helped.
Will the reversed motors help with prop wash on the TH 2 freestyle by and chance?
Definitely going to try these settings on my TH S..... Dammit I just remembered that my dog broke the usb plug off of my th s fc 🤣. Oh well I can always try them on my original tiny hawk and compare the tune to mockingbird.
I get an error in BlHeli that says "Could not load local firmware: undefined" manually selecting the hex file. Any solution for this? Thanks in advance for any advice!
I know the video is old, but it's still an excellent resource from an obviously very experienced racer (I also watched your "review from a racer perspective", fantastic flying there!). just a quick question: do you race in angle or acro, and are these PIDs and rates suitable for both? thanks!
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Your voice is so happy! I like you.
Thank you, new friend :) subbed.
BTW maybe share your Diff all..
First time I've heard that! 😁 Thank you!
Hey, thanks a lot for the video. Did you worked already on pid tune and filtering for 2s?
I have a concern with this whoop when switching from 1s to 2s.do you have to change the profile 1 to profile 2 or this is not really necesary?i was flying on 1s and when i put the 2s lipo smoke came out.i just want to make sure because i order a new one and i dont want to go thru the same issue...
Yes there’s a bad warning ⚠️ sticker telling u to change modes to 2S
Is it good for inhome use ?
Hello great vid that´s what I needed but I´ve got 2s 450mah tattu batteries and I´m wondering if Ican use the same pids for 2s? Thanks sir, this is very useful
The same pids for 2s would prolly mess something up sadly. I have not been able to get the time for a good 2s tune. I really need to find one on 2s though.
@BlueLine%20FPV Great Video!.. I wanted to try your setup on my TH2 except I'm running the JESC48KHz fw. When I went to reverse the motors in "jesc config" I was confused why only one esc is reveresed, is that normal?
So change the 3 to reversed and the 1 to normal?.. Then just swap the props and reverse in bf, correct?... Thanks in advance for your advice!
Thanks for the comment brother. If you are needing to reverse a motor, go into the software and change it from what the current setting is to the other. So if it says reversed change it to normal amd vise versa. Do it for each motor and then change the props to the correct direction to reflect reversed props. 😁 I hope that helps. Let me know if you need anything else. 👍👍
Hy there ! Great Video, thank you for the Info. Is there something like this that could explain the settings i should use for the Tinyhawk Race 2 ? Im trying to tune mine because of a lot of prop wash but i don't know the necessary PID settings cause im still a beginner.
Thanks for watching. Iam glad that it helped. Unfortunately I dont have a tune for the TH2R. I never got one to play around with.
What mode do u fly in
I’m finally going to have a go at this, little nervous not gonna lie haha
Your gonna love it!!🙂
Why are did you enable bi-direction DSHOT? What does that do? and why DSHOT 300 vs 600? Why did you change the Gyro and PID settings at 4khz vs the stock setting of 8 and 4 respectively?
Bi directional d shot is RPM filtering. You have to lower the D shot command to 300 for it to work correctly. Dshot 600 is a little too much for the processor to handle. Also its needed to change the pid loop to 4k to make it less processor intensive.
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Thank you thank you 😁😁
Thank you , it fly's much more precisely with a more predictable response to reactionary stick movement.
Iam glad you enjoyed it brother!!
Hi BlueLine, After following your video guide, I noticed an avg. cpu load of 70% with 4k/4k? On DSHOT 150 and 2k/2k its around 20%. Is your CPU time that high as well?
Iam really not sure if it is or not. I really never checked it. I just fly it🤣
Hi BlueLine, I have a Tinyhawk 2 and I have followed your video but when I tried to fly, after arm I puss throttle and the quad just spins 180 in the place and I get a runaway alert in the OSD, what is the problem? how I can solve it. Thanks in advance. And great flights!!! this is my first quad and I can said it is really fun
when you switched prop direction did you switch props? that would cause some big issues
thanks for sharing I sub :-)
Thank you. Hopefully this will help.
Why you have only one motor reversed in BLHeli? Mine have 1 and 4 reversed, is that ok isn't it?
thank you nice video, I was wondering about that RPM filter :)
I've been in the quad game for quite some time, but infrequently (work, family, etc.). I used your PIDs and rates and the quad would yaw quickly then disarm as soon as I armed it. I reloaded the old betaflight profile but kept the new ESC flash with the reversed motor direction and it was money! If anyone else had this issue and fixed it let me know. I still want to improve my TH II further.
If they quad yawed then disarmed, it was prolly a runaway. That being said, the most common things to do to fix that are these things:
1.Check and see if your motors are spinning correctly
2. Make sure, in the configuration tab, that your motor direction is set to reversed.
3. Make sure your props on all on correctly.
Another interesting thing is happening to me. When I plug the battery I hear the ESC starting tone twice. I tried to deselect the bidirectional Dshot on BF, and then it does not do it. When I select it again, the twiced tone is there again. Is that normal?
Thats a good question. When having installed the eco firmware i know the tones change. Does it do the tone and then redue the tone like its resetting?
@@bluelinefpv559 Thanks for your reply!! Yep, it looks like a reset. But it is not happening when I deselect the bidirectional Dshot tab. I just updated the Jazz Mav 19.77 (I had 19.9 previously) and it is still doing it... Weird..
hei dude i don't understand the thing about reversing motor direction. Should i also swap props? how am i supposed to change also on blheli?
thx
Step 1. Change motor direction in BlHeli. You can do this by changing the tab that says normal or reversed under each ESC in BlHeli. (if you want to change motor direction, just change it to the opposite of what it is.) This will reverse the motor direction.
2. Change the motor direction tab in the configuration page of Betaflight. (this tells betaflight that you have your motors spining backwards so it lets the fc know)
3. Change prop direction. (since you have changed the way the motors spin, you also need to change the way that the props spin to create thrust.)
I hope this helps man!!
I am getting the same thing. I switched all of my propellers to account for this. I am gettinga. THROTTLE BADRX on the OSD. any thoughts?
user error. i didnt realize you had to save and reboot on each screen. so my motors were not reversed. all fixed now.
@@bluelinefpv559 i had tinyhawk 2 and the fact that it is pusher and not puller fucked me up
Awesome instructional video man. But I didn't see the tab where I could set pilot skill? 😁 Yeah, I wish. I'm gonna try putting the blheli_s FW on one of mine. Thanks.
Thanks😁😁 If you have Bl_heli 32 you can just update to the newest firmware and use RPM filtering right off the batt.
@@bluelinefpv559 , yeah my Xilo stack on my Chameleon is my only Blheli32, it was so easy. That's why I wanted the same one for my racers. But I think I can use the blheli_s on the Iflight stack and get it to work.
@@tombstonefpv9053 oh yeah for sure. Iam gonna be building my second quad prolly tomorrow.
@@bluelinefpv559 I've got three different parts orders in, not sure when I'll get any of them. 😔
Does this config work well with 2S?
Sorry for the late reply. Honestly I haven't tried it with 2s. With summer being here we will be doing some 2s outdoor racing so I'll be doing some testing for sure. I'll make a video on it when I do 😁
Sir there are no videos on how to bind the jumper v2 transmitter to the tiney hawk can you make one
I have never used the jumper radios nor have any clue how to lol as long as you can put the radio in bind mode, you cam follow the steps on binding the tinyhawk like normal and it should work.
If I am wrong, I apologize, but I believe Jumper uses a different protocol than FrSky, which the Tinyhawk Series comes with. This being said, you may need to desolder the stock SPI receiver and solder in a new Jumper receiver.
hi, so can you still test on 2s?? i get some crazy vibrations when i put the rpm filter like you do in the video im not a great pid tuner but maybe lower p gain? i dont know.. let me know thanks!
I havent done a 2s tune just yet. Have only been flying with 1s. I may look into a 2s tune this winter season. I'll post it when I get it done.
Hi! I was wondering about 2s tune. Because in the video, i see that youre focusing on 1s so im not sure what to do for 2s. I tried emuflight and whenever i put a 2s, it shoots to the moon as soon as i arm. So now i am afraid of flying 2s
Sorry your having that issue brother. I actually dont have a 2s tune as I havent spent anytime flying or tuning 2s on these little birds. I do plan on running some 2s packs on them, but it may be a while before o come up with a tune. When I do I'll try and make a video on it. Sorry i couldn't help now brother.
@@bluelinefpv559 its fine man. Ill be using the stock settings first. Gotta keep flying even if its lockdown
@@mohammadsyahmi8581 That is true brother!!
Make sure Airmode is off in betaflight
Hello, I need some assistance on my TH2 after following your instructions. Once I went to test my TinyHawk2 it no longer arms. When I arm it the motors do not spin. Within the motors tab in Betaflight it actually shows as if the motors are spinning but nothing is happening. Any suggestions? I’m a bummed that I can no longer arm the quad for some reason
Here are a few steps to follow.
1. Double check that you have installed the correct esc firmware in BLheli. To each of your esc. (16.77)
2.Turn off the bidirectional d shot tab in the configuration page. Attempt to spin the motors.
(If the motors spin after doing this, the ESC firmware that was loaded is most likley incorrect) if the motors spin make sure that you change the settings in the filters tab back to the original if you plan to fly with out bidirectional d shot enabled (RPM filter)
@@bluelinefpv559 I had the same issue and checked a few times and tried different versions of S_H_90 but I still run into the same issue whereby enabling dshot300 and bidirectional the motors still don't spin. Any help troubleshooting will be really appreciated!
@@JunaidHassan-junaidslife is the 24k version of the esc firmware correctly installed amd show s_h_90_24?
@@bluelinefpv559 I think that's the root cause of my issue. Regardless of the ESC firmware I install I feel it doesn't gets updated as the BLheli always shows the same S-H-90, 16.7 :( I noticed that after plugging in the USB and opening BLHeli and clicking on 'Connect' at the top when it says to Connect power to ESCs I don't hear any ESC beeping.
@@JunaidHassan-junaidslife Sorry its not updating for you. There may be an issue somewhere thats not allowing it to update. Despite that, keeping Bidirectional Dshot off in the configuration tab and running DSHOT600 should still fly good.
can you update this within the 48mhz flash? im not sure if i flash in blheli with that 48mhz flash
or does that bheli flash has nothing to do with the jesc 48khz flash?
I haven't messed with 48khz as they say it gives some mote latency then 24khz. But I may test it out sometime in the future.
So I followed this guide step by step. Ran into issues with my quad to I wanted to revert back to factory settings. Followed emax's guide online, did the firmware, CLI dump etc. now my back left motor (3) is spinning in the wrong direction. What can I do to fix that?
Corry your having issues brother. You csn go into blheil and change the direction of the motor by changing that specific esc setting in bhheli.
BlueLine FPV not your fault mate no worries. I managed to fix it I believe. I needed to do a enable full erase of the board while changing my firmware back to emax’s - I guess it was still using firmware inputs from bhheli
@@soccernerd200 glad you got it sorted brother!
Hi,
Thanks for the video. I just seen this video and I’ve been looking for a descent tune for both my S and 2, but on BetaFlight 4.2 for both 1S and 2S.
Have you considered doing the tunes on BF 4.2 for both 1S and 2S?
Thanks.
Iam actually slowly working on it as of now lol. The only problem is, this current tune flies so good, its hard to settle on a 4.2 tune lol Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@bluelinefpv559 I hear you.
Have had the time for the 2S on 4.1?
As for now, would you be OK to share your CLI for both your 1S and 2S on BF 4.1?
Thanks again for your reply and quick response.
@@samavella8831 I kinda started a 2s tune but stopped due to lack of time. Iam sure ill get one eventually lol. Drop your email and ill send the CLI over. Its to long to post in a comment.
@@bluelinefpv559 Hi,
Thanks again. My email is saverio.avella@gmail.com
Cheers,
Sam
@@bluelinefpv559 Did you happen to send the CLI?
Thanks.
Hi, On betaflight, it shows drone bound, controller works fine but on Motor tab all motors are dead no sign of life !!
Did you install the correct ESC firmware? If you are following the steps in the video it should work. Try turning off bidirectional d shot in the configuration tab and seeing if the motors will spin. If they do then the wrong esc firmware is installed. If this works you must change the filters back to normal if you plan on flying it with out using bidirectional d shot (rpm filtering) good luck😁 let me know if your still having issues
Hello and congratulations for the video. I have updated my tinyhawk 2 with jesc and telemetry. I copied your settings to both PID and RATES and TH2 flies very well. I wanted to ask you if you can give me the pid / rates settings of profile 1 (1S batteries) and pid / rate profile 2 (2s batteries). From your video with you can clearly see the values of the gas curve. Thanks. Sorry for my english, but without google translator I couldn't have written you. Congratulations again.
Thank you. I am glad you enjoyed the video and it flies good. If you skip to 2:53 seconds in the video, you can see ny pids for 1s. I have not had the time to tune for 2s just yet. 😁😁
@@bluelinefpv559 t Thanks, I copied your pid, but I can't see the gas curve, because the video is cut in part.
I tried switching over to this and started getting real bad wobble when just flying normally
Iam not sure why. Is everything set excatly like I have it?
I have the same issue. It went away when I changed motor direction back to normal. I followed everything exactly as the video shows. Still a good tune.
How do you reverse the motors?
Sup man! Go and download the Bl_heli configurator. Once you do go into their and change the direction of your motor by changing the motor direction slider to opposite what it's currently set to. 😁
in betaflight on the configuration tab. its a slider under the picture of the rotation . you will have to change your props
Hey man, you got a sub out of me! When i go to filtering section, there is no Gyro RPM Filter. What am i missing??
(nevermind. got it)
@@PauliG Thanks for your sub man! Iam glad you got it set up. I hope you enjoy the way it flies.
Same here. where did you find that?
Thank you for the video :)
Just want to ask something. In JazzMaverick firmware site i see there are versions as "Hex_files_16.8_rc3_48k" and "Hex_files_16.8_rc3_24k" do you know what the "K" stands for? everybody suggesting for the 48khz but i see that you are installing a 24k file why is that? Or the "K" near the 24 has nothing to do with khz? Just wondering .
Thanks again :)
I believe that the K is for Khz. The reason I run the 24k instead of 48k is because it was more prevalent when I installed it. I also heard that the 48k has a little more latency, but I have not tested that yet. I've just been sticking with the 24k because it works hella good.😁 Thanks for watching brother!! See me really push it on the GQ track in my newest video with the TH
@@bluelinefpv559 ah i see . Thank you very much for the quick reply. I just got the TH2 today and a bit excited o try it tomorrow :D And i saw the video its crazy :D
@@carbendi Your gonna love it man. Are you new to the hobby?
@@bluelinefpv559 Yeah 150 hours in simulation and TH2 is the first real one :D Im just waiting Jumper T16 pro v2 to arrive today :D
@@bluelinefpv559 Its been a while and your rates work like a charm :D
If you want to see here is my first and latest flight :)
First th-cam.com/video/2iqCvSz9I6I/w-d-xo.html
Latest th-cam.com/video/66GDDG_use0/w-d-xo.html
By the way do you fly 2s and if you do would you like to share your settings for those too? :D:D
So what is the longest flight time with the tinyhawk 2? I found the tinyhawk s had more flight time also does this firmware give you better flight time than the original tinyhawk 2 settings? Thank you
I never really flew the TH2 for longer then 2 mins because I never race for longer then that period of time. I can tell from ending voltage that the hawk s would get a little more flight time, but the trade off is power and a better camera. As soon as I got the Hawk2 I changed to RPM filtering so I never messed around with stock settings and filters.
@@bluelinefpv559 The RPM filtering, you did that before or after jazz maverick?
@@bluelinefpv559 Can I use the betaflight tune without the jazz maverick installed into it?
@@brentrickert9400 I would not reccomend it. Rpm filtering is worth it man. Definatly use it.
@@bluelinefpv559 So how do I do the rpm filtering, is that with the jazz maverick?
Was I supposed to flash All the ESCs or just one?
Man!! You re rates are sweet ! I’m just starting out on my RTF th2 and I was having a lot of issues tweaking betaflight mostly due to my lack of knowledge.
I did most of what you explained here except the bi directional d shot part and it’s making my experience wayyyyy more enjoyable immediately
Thank you man! Iam glad it's been a better experience for you! Iam itching for the indoor season to start again so i can rip my hawk again lol
@@bluelinefpv559 You gotta review more Emax products!!
@@Max_0578 I plan on it thanks!!
@@bluelinefpv559 Cool! I am curious to see what the next tinyhawk is going to be.
@@Max_0578 Same here man! It's gonna be hard for them to beat the TH2.
Dude! Lol thank u.
Np man! Glad it helped. Do you like how it flies??
@@bluelinefpv559 man world of difference. Iv been on beta flight past 3 days, kept pitching left. I'd get it str8, save and for some reason it kept happening. This video some how solved that. I'm flying currently. Mu h happier now. Was a pain trying to keep it strate.
@@Gnarkilla720 glad your enjoying it man! Rip it up!
@@bluelinefpv559 every day that's the beauty in these small guys. I have a huge basement were refinishing so it's big an empty!
I get an error ( ibb.co/x7cwmwk ). What could it be?
the file i wanted to use was: S_H_90_24_REV16_77.HEX
1- downgrade from btfl 4.1.6 to 4.1.0
2- leave the configuration unchanged
3- close betaflight
4- open BLHeli configurator
5- press *flash all* and search for the file
should I first make the changes in betaflight?
Ah I think I see whats happening. Go back to the page wehre you down load the firmware. Instead of right clicking the firmware link and saving it, Click the link and right click where it says "RAW" save it to file and use that file to upload to you ESC. Let me know what happens
@@bluelinefpv559 Thanks was that! Now I go to betaflight and configure as this document says:
docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wqkfTVaZ5oRLraZllG8dzRg92FMg39MyZCpEvVOBD9A/edit?usp=sharing
but when I arm TH2 jumps and marks RunAway on the glasses.
Also the sound of the motors (on Armed) sounds finer, is it normal?
To return to BLHeli's default, in Flash All, I select the official 16.7, right?
@@fifofito If you plan on using RPM filtering on the Tinyhawk I would just follow the settings that I have in this video. Anything else would make it more complicated. Lol as far as the sounds that's normal for that Firmware. If you plan on reverting back, you can find the dump file from emax website and also revert the esc protocol back. Hope this helps brother.
Getting an error when trying to load firmware. S-H-90 for the ESC, downloaded the file for 16.7 (ESC 1-4: S-H-90, 16.7), 16.77 24k, and getting error.
"Loaded file ~\Downloads\S_H_90_24_REV16_77.HEX"
"Could not load local firmware: undefined"
Cant arm up currently, even tried dropping back over to DSHOT600. May have to go back and undo all the settings I suppose.
when downloading the firmware from the website, instead of right clicking to save the file, click on the file and then right click save on the section that says RAW. I hope this helps. I ran into this issue a few times before.
@@bluelinefpv559 thanks for that! worked this time. Also, you mentioned reversing the motors in blheli, AND in betaflight? seen others ask in here about that and didnt catch an answer,. in the vid you just mention it and didnt show! thanks! (ill try both ways testing if it arms up this time :P)
All working, thanks again! :P
@@dmnchild Iam glad that worked brother! As for reversing the motor direction there are three things that you need to do. Step 1. Change motor direction in BlHeli. You can do this by changing the tab that says normal or reversed under each ESC in BlHeli. (if you want to change motor direction, just change it to the opposite of what it is.) This will reverse the motor direction.
2. Change the motor direction tab in the configuration page of Betaflight. (this tells betaflight that you have your motors spining backwards so it lets the fc know)
3. Change prop direction. (since you have changed the way the motors spin, you also need to change the way that the props spin to create thrust.)
I hope this helps and your enjoy sending your TH!! Thanks for the SUB btw!!
@@bluelinefpv559 Yeah thats what I did. Just changed what was in Heli, then clicked the button in betaflight. So much more snappy now, its going to be a learning curve since i just starting on on this, and fly it around work (overnights lol)
hellow, can u correct me if i am wrong, i connected by BELHELI to tinihawk2 and my stock version is ESC 1:S-H-90, 16.7 so i must download from github.com/JazzMaverick/BLHeli/tree/JazzMaverick-patch-1/BLHeli_S%20SiLabs/Hex%20files%20%2016.7 this version S_H_90_REV16_7.HEX am i right????? and why after firmware BELHELI need reverce ESC??? why is bad to leave stock? or it will not be like in stock ESC1 reverced ESC2 normal ESC3 NORMAL ESC4 reverced??????
and if my tinihawk2 version Betaflight / STM32F411 (S411) 4.2.5 Nov 22 2020 i need it downgrate to 4.1.0?? why???
Dont chance motor direktion Whiteout changing in blheli
what do i need to change it to in blheli?
cli dump :) ?
CLI dump?
I'll hook you up when I get off work.
I'm unable to change my gyro update frequency on my Tinkhawk 2.
Figured it out, nevermind! thanks for your clear and concise information!
@@C_Haberstoked Glad you were able to figure it out. What was the issue you were having?
@@bluelinefpv559 Well I accidentally upgraded to BF4.2.2. Turns out RPM filtering isn't quite up to date for the new BF. I also had trouble with Jazz. I ended up reverting back to BF 4.1 and buying JESC; I had a better time installing the firmware. I also must mention I was a bit confused about the motor direction. The thumbnail of your video confirmed that I SHOULD swap the props. The main issue I'm running into now is that One of my ESCs doesn't start up normally if my battery isn't fully charged. I'm going to do a bunch more testing this weekend, I'll report back if there are any issues.
I do have a second question, Have you tried turning on RPM filtering for profile 2 (for 2s bats)?
@@C_Haberstoked I havent given 2s a try yet for the th2. I've thought about experiment with it, but haven't got around to it. I hope youcm can get that issue fixed. I wouldn't know what would cause that esc not starting up when the battery isn't full.
@@bluelinefpv559 After some troubleshooting with other motors I found that the motor was faulty. Swapped it out with a fresh, and I'm good! BTW, RPM filtering seems to be turned on for all profiles when you turn it on for one. Soooo that means its all good to go for 2s!
Thanks again for your video and for replying to my comments/questions. Have a good weekend!
Now when I Arm nothing happens. Also the three short tones that play when you plug the battery in, play twice before the 2 long long tones play. Using the Tinyhawk 2.
I just loaded my backup on Betaflight and did some trouble shooting, It was the Bidirectional DShot I turned it off and I was flying again. Also for some reason in the BLHelli Configurator the Hex File wouldn't flash when I selected it. So it seems that i never actually flashed the file to my ESCs.
@@EyeonFGCPlus iam glad you got it figure out sorry for the long reply. I've been flying mostly all day. Sometimes you have to click on the correct firmware version and then right click and save the raw file. This worked for me on the esc that wouldn't accept the file. Also be sure to flash every esc on your quad. They need to be running the same firmware version for Bidirectional dshot to work.
@@bluelinefpv559 No problem, just did it, its flashing the firmware now. Thanks!
@@bluelinefpv559 Also while I am at it, Why Dshot300 over Dshot600 and 4k/4k over 8k/8k, I have had mine set to 8k/8k and Dshot600 since i got it, for not other reason than I saw some one set it that way. (I am fairly new to FPV I have only gotten my Tinyhawk 2 like a week and a few days ago.)
Sorry to bug you a billion times lol. I found that 4k/4k and Dshot 300 reduses the CPU load so that I can Arm with Bidirectional DShot active. But still the Quad won't arm. Or actually the quad WILL Arm but the motors will not spin. but only with BiDir-Dshot on. When I turn that off everything works fine.