2023 Ford F350 7.3L V8 w/ 4.30 Rear First Drive: This Is The Worst MPG You Can Expect Unloaded ❄️
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- I finally got a chance to drive the all new 2023 Ford F350 w/ the 4.30 rear end. This is the worst fuel economy you can expect because of the colder weather. I also test the acceleration as well. || Like || Subscribe || Share || #fordf350 #rapidred
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If you’re buying any full size truck and expect good fuel economy you need to rethink your expectations. It’s like buying a Prius and expecting to be able to tow with it.
😂😂😂😂
The 3L Duramax would beg to differ. 28mpg+ with AT tires and winter diesel.
@@kevind1865 when you factor in the increased maintenance and fuel costs of a diesel any fuel efficiency savings are zeroed out.
@@khakiswag Diesel is the same price as regular gas in quite a few places now. My oil is an extra $20/ change, and the only extra maintenance is a fuel filter every 30000 you can change for $40.
The small diesel doesn't have much in common with the big boys.
For an extra $30/8000miles (edit: $60/8000 miles including DEF), you get 30%+ better mileage, (edit: And 75-100% better mileage while towing)
@HalfShell The comment I replied to said full size, not HD. Agreed, HD are a different animal. They only make sense if you're towing most of the time.
Wow!!! 4778 lbs of payload is almost as much as a dually.
This is the exact configuration of F-350 I'm going for. Long bed, XLT FX4 w 4.30 ratio and even the cloth seats and vinyl floor. Very utilitarian.
I appreciate the fact that you show the payload of all the different truck configurations you test. As a truck camper owner, it's the most important spec for me, and it's so hard to find good payload info. A 4,700lb payload on a single rear wheel truck, with crew cab, is pretty amazing.
If you have fender liners front and rear they will reduce the tire and road noise in the cab!
I ordered my 2022 with the 3.55 gears instead of the 4.30's and I am very happy with the truck.
So far fuel mileage with a trailer has been 9 to 10 mpg. Truck only at highway speed I have had as high as 16 mpg. The 7.3L and 10 speed trans has a lot of power.
Fenomenal content, love your videos.👍
Absolutely fenomenal
Phenomenal lay off the fentanyl
Spell much?
What did you mean when you said the 4.30 gear wouldn’t help down low? I thought they were best for down low pulling power
Big engine nice truck and great video!
fyi 4.30 vs 3.73 (math 4.3/3.73 = 15 percent) 2000 rmp would be 1700 rpm. not as large of a difference than people think
Exactly but you get a hefty Dana axle with that package and 3k lbs more GCVWR! Done!
Great review dude
Wow no rust on the diffs ford must make that an option now😉
the 7.3 makes great torque at low rpm of around 1500 rpm.... when u look at a 6.7 powerstroke with 3.31 gears ur losing alot of power.... the bottom line EGR ... diesel particulate filters an the price of diesel and overall government continuation of disel hate....makes gas more and more of a much better option.....i love disel but i think the government has killed them....and their time is probably past for anyone not driving 300 plus miles per day for buisness
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that with the 4.30 gears you get heavier Dana axles?
I'm glad you edited the clip while you were stopped. The light at that frontage road in front of the dealership is just ridiculous.
I'm a little confused on why you keep talking about the cold weather as a negative. As far as I know every internal combustion engine loves cold air. That's why cold air intakes are a thing and is also why drag cars put down better numbers in the cold, as long as they can hook up. Hot air is no good for performance.
With cold air you can get more, denser, air into the cylinders and thus more fuel so potentially more power but NOT efficiency. It's a barn going through the air at 70 miles/hr and the colder it is, the more energy it takes to propel your truck through it. The cold air also takes more energy to get it to combustion temperature. More power? Yes, because you CAN put more fuel to it but only benefits you at WOT.
How are the factory tires on the F350 say compared to falls. Wild peaks AT
@@vincew.6905Strange place for a random question.
Winter blend fuel, more idling for warm up, etc
The 7.3L Godzilla V8 Is A Thriller.
I got a 2021 F-350 STX 4.30 gears I didn’t buy this truck for fuel economy I bought it for its capability & what it can do for me without crossing into the diesel truck quicksand! It’s not my daily driver so I don’t care 🤷♂️ about MPG’s ! I plow snow with my truck & tow heavy trailers & it laughs 😂 at anything I’ve asked it to do! It looks like Utah has it’s share of Panhandlers at intersections too! 😂
Down low is exactly where 430s help
Nice review 👍 like the drive instead of a ride around parking lot or the block 🤣..real world review!.. not some pumped out vid as fast as you can .. nice dude
Buying a full size truck without the highest possible rear end 4.3, may as well don't buy a truck.
It gets up and goes pretty good!
Would be cool to see a video on forscan
Salt Lake Valley is 4400-4500 feet above sea level.
that engine is great
3.55 on my 22 runs about 500 rpms lower
JB what’s your favorite super duty n thoughts 💭 on 2023
You look tiny inside that cabin 😳 Great review!!
Those seats are way better than GM…
As bad as GM seats are, Ford might actually be worse if you're talking about lower trim level trucks. Ford higher level trim trucks have much nicer seats though, so much more comfortable than GM.
Says who?
"Runnin' on, runnin' on empty..."
Jackson Brown
Interesting video. I’m not sure how much throttle you were giving there in one of those accelerations but I noticed the truck shifted to 6th gear and seemed to maybe lag just a bit like you were “caught” at an rpm range and it took a little time to build rpms. I think maybe the speed you were going (65ish) played a big part in that. And that’s one of my concerns with that 4.30 at speed, towing or not.
When you went to 6th gear that gave you a 5.46:1 final drive. It wouldn’t give you 5th there due to the speed you were going which would have put you at a 6.49:1 final drive. I think a 3.73 truck would have gave you 5th which would have been 5.63:1 final drive and maybe got you moving a little quicker.
We will see when you get yours but I’m confident in saying the 3.73 is going to perform better in most situations. The 4.30 would be better for slower speeds for pulling power and maybe better for towing even on flat roads where it would have a 4.30:1 final drive in 7th gear. That would be the best gear to be in on like an interstate. The 3.73 of course would be 3.73:1 final drive and wouldn’t give you as much rpm and “pulling power” in that instance.
@HalfShell well I didn’t mean lag in actual shifting. I meant once it had went to 6th gear it seemed to take an extra second or so before it started building rpm. Lag probably wasn’t the best word to use there.
I think what happened was the rpm it gave him in 6th was just a couple hundred off of being in the engines sweet spot and it took it that extra little bit of time to get there. That’s my concern with that 4.30 at highway speeds. After watching a lot of test with it I’m pretty confident that it’s real purpose is slow speeds, getting stuff moving and really steep off road type grades. At Highway speeds it is limited to how low a gear it can go to give you a shot of rpm. But unless you have steep grades to pull at highway speeds you would never know.
The three OD gears confuse a lot of people I think and that’s why everyone instantly says the 10 speeds will get better fuel mileage. But in reality they only have 1 extra OD gear as compared to 6 and 8 speeds and it’s just slightly taller so it’s not going to be that much of a difference. In the GM transmissions it’s 0.63:1 compares to 0.67:1. And then 5th and 6th is the exact same ratios as 8th and 9th.
The real reason for the 10 speeds is the closer ratio lower and middle gears to keep the engine closer to its power band. So drivability and towing up grades are what to expect to be better. Not so much fuel mileage. Even 0-60 won’t be much different because you will have at least one extra shift and shifting takes time. But 40-70 mph runs would be another story.
@HalfShell you may be right. It will be interesting to see the 6.8 compared against the 7.3 since Ford is saying the 6.8s 10 speed is specifically matched to that engine. I think between that and the shorter stroke of the 6.8 is going to really be a good combination and if I were buying a Ford I’d just skip the 7.3 all together now.
That’s funny for me to say because in 2020 I said I would definitely pay the extra money for the 7.3. Now I wouldn’t lol.
@HalfShell well it will definitely do that but it will also rev a lot quicker and that will help mask any lag from transmission tuning.
The stroke is 3.68” so it’s not necessarily short but definitely shorter than the 7.3s 3.98” stroke. For comparisons sake the 6.6 Chevy is 3.85” stroke and the 6.4 Hemi is 3.72”.
I think it will be ok. It still is making a good amount of torque and pair that with quicker revs and a specific tuned transmission and it will be ok
I have a 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3L UP - BAP - Tremor with the 4.30 gears. I agree with HalfShell......the 4.30:1 gear ratio is better in most situations.
1. Better for passing at speed with or without a load on the Interstate and other 4 Lane Highways
2. Better for launching loads from a stop
3. Better for towing loads up hills and steep grades
4. Better if owner wants to install 35" tires on a Standard Non-Tremor XL or XLT Super Duty with OEM 275x65R-18 tires (Lariat, KR and Platinum come with 275x65R-20 tires)
@HalfShell All Ford Super Dutys...both the 6.7L diesel (has PCM and TCM) and 7.3L gas (only has PCM) have Acceleration Lag or Throttle Lag due to poor OEM shift strategy and programming. I am wondering if 5 Star tune; Banks Pedal Monster or Pedal Commander will eliminate or reduce the lag experienced from the acceleration from a stop??? Do you have any information, experience or knowledge of these three products?
Been a long time subscriber love your videos. Quick question what HD drives the smoothest Ram, GM, or Ford? Thank you.
Gm has the best ride ford and ram similar have had all 3. No for over all power ford takes the cake
Do they still have "Death Wobble", or did they finally do something about it?
The size of the headlights is ridiculous.
Hey jb, are you going to get one with a 7.3, or the high output powerstroke? Also. I think you and Ben should do another tow video with the new super duty together again.
Not too bad fuel economy for for that size of truck, displacement and gearing. I'm sure after it gets broke in it will get a little better. I'd imagine mid teens on a warm dry day with no wind
That interior doesn’t look great.
JB I noticed the rear AC vents are up high in the ford. Does your GMC also have the vents in the same location?
Nobody expects great fuel economy from a big truck but if you daily drive it, a couple mpg makes a difference.
If you kept going, you would’ve ended up in Wyoming and I’d say welcome 😂❤
Not bad mileage on a 1 ton really
The worst fuel economy will be in the Tremor version. Bigger offroad tires and the small front air dam vs the one you're driving.
Great review sir. But what's up with the guy with a dog on his head 🤔?
Real bummer you’re forced to get 4wd if you want the 7.3 The first couple years you could get a 2wd now you can only get it with the 6.8 😢
finally!!
Who’s designing Ford interiors? They should be FIRED! Those seats are garbage 🗑️ 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Ford should pay us to have to drive that heap!
I’m not going to lie; that interior looks very cheap compared to my bighorn. Maybe it can be optioned up, but still.
That truck is a 2022, probably won’t matter mpg wise though
22 grill
Already had a Ck engine light on?
Fuel efficiency does matter when it comes to range.
I am considering a F350 because of the high payload but I would like to have active 4x4 feature. I believe that would be a must have feature. I plan on going full time RV and travel in all weather conditions. Would Chevy HD be better?
With traction control in these newer vehicles I don’t see any reason for auto 4 wheel. Shifting into 4wd is seem less. Just my opinion
These trucks have a mode selector where you can switch between 2H and 4H and 4 auto as well. Might want to check it out.
Big nuts, big truck. And nothings bigger than the Zilla
Is that the same truck that Ben Hardy reviewed a few days ago?
Ben doesn't compare to JB. Ben Hardy is obnoxiously speculative and academically impractical. If TH-cam and Google weren't boosting his channel artificially ...
@@ethelz2cents I just find all these videos entertaining. Doesn't matter who posting them.
Not bad video but maybe you need a little help in expertize I.e.,new brakes,m.a.p. pressure,and how transmission shifting work with engine speeds, the bottom mirror needs to be addressed with dealer that’s dangerous
Let’s give it 3 rpm
Not impressed with review because most comments are based on feeling not numbers .. like braking .. that’s a feeling
What is the payload of that truck?
Payload is 4778. GVWR is 11,900 and the vehicle weights 7120 or so. It's in the video.
Do you miss you Ram yet?
Gas just being $.35-.40 cheaper than diesel would make it hard to choose the gas truck.
Yeah guess it depends where you live. I’ve reaped the benefits of trading my diesel in for the 7.3 gas since gas has been consistently $1.50 - $2 cheaper for the past 2 years until very recently. Glad to see diesel prices dropping for you guys though, it’s been insane.
Yeah its closer to a dollar in Arizona than add the Def it just doesn't make sense here in hot AZ.
Most are going to gas due to diesel emissions garbage. Regen cycles, DEF, and a myriad of finicky expensive components.
Today regular unleaded gas is $.20 higher than diesel in Florence Ky. It’s been the same or very close to the same for the past month or so.
Def and all the after treatment kills the appeal of diesels. Unless you're wealthy of have the ability to write off a lot of truck expenses, i couldn't justify diesel HD.
If you really really live this wig, then I would eat it who is a turbo have power stroke diesel 7.5 L 2023 limited model. And make sure I am towing reviews with that truck.
13.1 mpg is also according to the lie-o-meter, hand calc is prob 10-11mpg. Also, stock garbage tires, no load, terrain, empty tank, varied speed, etc all impact that mpg. Lets not try to glorify "good" mpg for the size of the engine and gearing. This thing gets terrible mpg's and always will. If you dont like it, dont buy it. thats all that needs to be said.
@HalfShell Exactly the same results for me (7.3/3.55) on the highway (sometimes even slightly higher for unloaded). Normal around town is closer to 12.5-13.
@HalfShell 3.55 gears. try 4.30 gears and see where that 15mpg goes...
12mpg....Greta Thunberg just cried. LOL
My 13 gmc 3500 6.0 crew long bed loaded with 2500 lbs of tool bed and ladders got 13.23 mpg over 440 miles babing it , normally I get 11.5
My 06 4.7L ram gets 13 I’d much rather have the capabilities of this truck.