First Tow With The Ford F350 7.3L Gas: Does It Tow My Fifth Wheel Better Than The Diesel Options???
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- This is my first time towing with a Ford F350 with the 7.3L gas engine! || Like || Subscribe || Share || #fordf350 #Lariat
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I get 7ish with the 4:30 gears towing my grand design 350m
I really only get after it when I’m passing Cummins while making parody’s videos to go viral for Justin. Hahaha
You must be counting the Cummins that was stopped for Fuel!! Pass a Cummins you silly BOY!!
@@jamesorr2832
You really won't like this..
Nice rolling hills in NW Indiana. My 2020 F150 with the 2.7L towing right at #6800 of 31' long travel trailer.
I used to pass the hot shot guys in their diesels constantly when they where hauling fivers. And that engines so small you can pop the hood, crawl in, and eat lunch on the intake without touching the exhaust!
But.. I wouldn't even dare pulling in the mountains with it!
There was another TH-camr that towed a heavy piece of equipment from Salt Lake to Casper WY, with a 7.3 gasser that did pretty good.
@@krisbeaver2901I mean if that diesel is fully loaded he would be a lot heavier more than double the weight and still probably at 1900 rpm’s while your at 3500/4000 or higher
@@spin0491 true.. BUT.. your gas engines make their best power at around 4k. My 7.3L Zilla's power/torque band is between 3800 - 4600. Considering red lines at almost 8k, the engines built to operate at those RPMs. Granted, it's louder when you need it.
Now the 7.3L.. with a 12k fiver just averaged me 12.8mpg at 60mph for it's maiden trip (60 miles).
You and Colton Brown are the only channels doing this with the 7.3 please keep it up.
I just got out of that same truck. Although the 7.3 L did a good job with my 40 foot toy hauler, the ram 3500 Cummins diesel is like night and day compared to the Ford 7.3 L. A 17 mile trip is not enough to get a real world experience. With the Ford we would travel 400 or 500 miles a day, and I would be completely worn out, trying to prepare for going up hills and making the transmission downshift so that we didn’t get jarred right in the middle of the hill. We just got back from a 2000 mile trip with the ram and I never got tired from driving. So glad I switched to the diesel.
I hear ya bro. Wife and i both have 6.7 powerstrokes and i bought a 7.3 F350 single wheel to give it a shot. I've got a 32ft dual tandem gooseneck that i use for my backhoe or D4 dozer. Honestly it pulls good around town but with that much weight you dont want to be out on freeways trying to keep up with traffic. Same with our 41ft Cedar Creek 5th wheel. Our 6.7 f250s with lifts and 37 inch tires give us way more power and better towing mileage than the stock 7.3. Then add in a aux fuel tank with toolbox and crapload of tools. Lol.
I'd say the 7.3 is a decent around town hauler or lighter rv tow vehicle. If i want 6mpg i'll take my 98 peterbilt.
I am towing 17,000 lbs with my 6.4 Ram, and it does well. Have a 7.3 F350 on order. Towing capacity of 20k+ and more horses and torque than my 6.4. People forget that the 7.3 and 6.4 both have more power than the diesels from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.
@@tarheelquality I'm grossing 27k lbs with a 7.3/4.30 and it does just fine. I can accelerate to 70mph without ever needing to go above 3k RPM.
@@wakeupamerica2024 So your the reason traffic is always backed up Mr I don’t accelerate over 3k RPM towing over my vehicles limit.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 that isn't over the limit #1 and #2 it gets to 70mph just fine without beating on it.
How am I holding up traffic if I am going 70mph?
As a 25 year cummins guy, I just converted to a 2022 7.3 crew cab Lariat 4x4 w 4.30's. It is Apples to Oranges to compare it to the diesel, but it’s a hell of a sweet Apple. My only regret is not going with the Dually. Between all the emissions crap my 12, 17, and 21 ram had, the initial 10k investment, double the maintenance costs, and $1.50/gal more expensive diesel, the gas was a no brainer unless I was going to be hauling heavy in the mountains for a career like I used to running hot shots. I've towed about 4000 miles with it mainly in south & west Texas, averaging 6-9Mpg. My cummins usually averaged 8-10 towing the same 30' TT. I usually lock out 9th & 10th gears unless it's flat and no headwind. It sure is a great platform. Love it.
I see what you mean about the GMC being behind the axle and that buying you some space, but you’re better off from a physics perspective having the king pin directly over the axle or even in front of it.
But yeah, that is close! I have the bed cam in my F350 and you still can’t see much. I see lots of guys do an auxiliary cam on the floor of the bed to get a side shot of everything going on.
So, you wouldnt recommend a F350 7.3L gas for non-CDL hotshotting?
@@Charlie-bl3kq if you are pulling over 20k and in the mountains no.. How much weight are you talking?
@@Charlie-bl3kq check this guy out. I wouldn’t hesitate to use it for hot shotting on occasion. th-cam.com/video/le_CdRGAmvg/w-d-xo.html
What gear ratio are you running? I assume 430s?
I have had multiple diesel in every brand. I just got a 2022 7.3 with 4.30s and I am extremely impressed with the performance loaded and empty. My trailers weigh 14k and it does great.
How does the 4.30 feel as a daily driver without the trailer? I pull a skid steer and 2 mini Excavators on gooseneck trailers about 50 to 75x per year. Trailer weighs 5,000. Skid steer weighs 11,000, so trailer is 16,000 pounds total. Def over my GVWR of 14k and 15k for my two trailers. Looking to get F 250 or F350 with SRW. Dually is obviously better for hauling but not great for daily driver.
It is great. It is the best of both worlds. Everyone thinks it’s going to be to low geared. With the 10 speed it’s geared perfect. With 34 inch tires I am 2000 rpm’s at 72 mph. I would say it pulls as good or maybe just a little better as a mid 2000s stock diesel. Like a 6.0 ford diesel or the first gen 6.7 Cummins non deleted.
Only complaint with mine I wish I would have got a long bed to get the 48 gallon gas tank instead of the 35 gallon with the short bed, and the transmission is a little aggressive sometimes when you put it in gear or if your going real slow across a parking lot it gets confused on what gear it needs to be in.
I can't wait for the test with the 6.6L, I'll be in the market for either the ford or chevy, gmc gasser HD so I'm loving these reviews making my research so much easier, ty.
I have a 2021 f350 7.3l w/4.30 gears. I live out west and pull a 38 ft 14k 5er all over the Rockies and Sierra Nevada. No issues so far. I average about 9 mpg when towing but I also have the 58 gallon transfer flow replacement tank so I can go ~400+ miles when towing…over 750 miles when not towing. When towing, I keep it between 65 and 68 mph and master when to use and not use the cruise control and also lock out gears when needed to optimize the mpg. I am only a weekend warrior so this is perfect for my use.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this. I blindly ordered a 7.3 to get of diesels and this makes me happy I did
Appreciate the honest mpg review. I have a 22 F-350 and pulling my 24' TH loaded get about 7.6 mpg. I love the truck. I've seen other channels stating they get 12-14 mpg towing, that's not real world numbers. Keep up the good work.
If personally have to say no, I had a 2021 f350 7.3 gasser and towing my 26ft bumper tow toy hauler with three quads and gear and I was around 4 miles per gallon
JB, love your reaction right around 7:40. I'm coming up on 58 years of age, and I'm still like a little boy in a toy store, when I get to pull stuff in my truck. Granted, I drive an 18 wheeler for a living, but there's just something that makes me smile when my Ford is pulling a load. I want SO badly to get a 7.3, but I may have to end up settling for a 6.2.
Great channel man, you're one of my favorite TH-camrs.
Nice review. I’m driving a 2022 Class A motor home towing a 2015 Equinox. The motor home is equipped with the 7.3 engine. I’m running around 25K pounds with the Equinox and have no issues with that motor. I’m averaging about 8 mpg running 62 miles per hour. Yeah the diesel will go over a mountain pass faster but I’ll make it no problem. In the motor home world, the cost of a diesel is prohibitive to most. The 7.3 is a great option.
Great review! Love that smile on your face from the 7.3.
It sounds so good. Not strained at all; floor it and the 7.3 says “you like it, I love it.”
Not sure I can express how much I can't wait to build my truck's garage/apartment. But seeing your 2 trucks fit into that awesome space is just awesome. Looking forward to getting a 6.8 or 7.3 after a couple more years with my 2017 6.2. My buddy's 2013 has the 5th wheel prep (of that era) and he and I both agree it's worth its weight in gold.
I've had the 7.3 in 2 newer motor homes and it is a great motor tons of power and decent fuel economy for what it is.
Boy, that sound from that 7.3. Wow, nice truck, too. I'm glad you touched on the tires and air pressure. It's easy to tell you really like the gas engine. IMO, if you are not towing more than 50% of the time, the gas engine is a no-brainer, more payload, less moving parts, and no DEF. But I've never had diesel. They definitely have their place. I am looking forward to those weight totals. And really, that 7.1 gas mileage was not bad. ✌️out.
Finally!! I have been waiting for you to finally hook up and tow…lol thanks for the video
Great video JB. Definitely makes me rethink getting one when it's time to give up the Dmax.
Years ago I had a Chevy 3500 dually with 454 towing a small 20' GN horse trailer with 2 horses which done great towing local, until we decided to take the horses to the mountains. When a loaded dump truck passed me going up the mountain and the gasser sounding like it was going to grenade itself, I told my wife that was the last time I will tow with a gas truck. What sucked was I had a new Dodge diesel sitting at home waiting for a GN hitch. I have owned a diesel since then.
Yup! Gassers suck compared to diesels when towing, that’s for sure! I’ve had a few recently and my diesel still tows so much better!
The gas engines have come along way since then the tbi 454 only had 230 hp and 385 torque and vortec was 290 hp and 410 torque so you really cant even compare a truck like he is reviewing to something from 25-30 years ago.
@@JB-ej8zy I agree, Vortec 454s make less power than a 6.2 Super Duty, and even the new 5.0 F150 @ 400hp/410ftlbs
@@JB-ej8zy yes you can. Diesel back then weren’t that great either but still out preformed the gas motors even then. There is a reason diesels are kings when it comes to pulling or pushing
@@JB-ej8zy - Sure, the current gas engines are much better than previous gas engines but that's also comparing them to the advancements in diesel engines. Pulling mountain grades, then no engine brake on the down grade will be the difference.
My 2021 F-350 7.3 Godzilla has 4.30 gears which includes the big diesel rear axle also ⚙️ & it will tow that camper even better than that truck! 😂 With the price of diesel fuel & the diesel option it’s a total wash ! I’ll take my gasser any day everyday especially out of warranty! I also have two batteries & two alternators also! Screw diesel ! My truck is rated at 20K gooseneck towing & has 4300 Lbs payload!
What’s the mpg when towing with the 4.3 gear?
It’ll haul that and more. I got a pic of mine when it was less than a week old with a big load of hay on it. Then a video of it just idling along with it as we moved it and escorted our tractor and wagons. Only thing I miss is my ram exhaust brake. The difference in owning offsets the fuel economy. I’ve averaged 13 towing and driving with mine.
I'm real happy with my 7.3. Been done with diesel since August and ain't lookin back.
Thats awesome, I have been waiting dor feed back on the new 7.3l gaser. I love my old worn out 97 7.3l
Thanks for sharing....
All that these HD trucks with gas engines need is a simple low pressure turbo setup. That Ford 7.3 and GM's 6.6, with either a 3.73 or 4.10 rear and their respective 10spd transmissions, are more than strong enough to do the work of a diesel. These are horsepower numbers that are equivalent to 10 yr old diesels, and the torque numbers match 15-20 yr old diesel figures. All of these engines are pretty badass nowadays, but that 10spd 6.6 Chevy will be mine someday soon
This truck is running 3.73 Gears with electric lockers. Axle code 3E on door sticker @ 3:14 on video.
Personally, as a former 7.3L Power Stroke owner, I always appreciated the towing capabilities of the diesel. But that was only about 20% of my driving, if I'm being honest, and it was just too thirsty the rest of the time. That was 20 years ago, before all the emissions crap that makes modern diesels absolutely fragile by comparison. I have been eyeballing the 7.3 Godzilla for my next power plant, and I really haven't seen any complaints... just honest reviews like this one. I guess the moral of the story is, if you are a full time RV person towing something heavy and consistently, the diesel may still be the answer for longevity sake. If you are just a weekend hauler who uses the truck as a daily, the gasser is likely the better choice. Great video!
Great review JB. As you know I have a 2020 7.3 w 3.55 gears, carli 3" level, 37's on a 9" wheel and timbrens. I haven't looked back and love this truck for so many reasons. I am a diesel fan boy as well but I have saved so much money in oil changes, filters, additional filters, urea, diesel fuel and what ever else associated with a diesel. What I have also done which really woke this truck up and helped w engine braking is I added a 5 Star tune on 87 octane..3 tunes Called the 87 heavy or light tow and then performance. I tow everywhere from a 34'x12' boat to skid steer and bobcat. Im not going back to a diesel this gas motor gets the job done and saves me the coin. The difference between my 2015 F350 on 37's vs this 2020 F250's on 37's is about 3-4 mpg towing the same loads.
I always drove Gas trucks. But last year I purchase a diesel truck to haul my generators across states. Damn I really like the ride and feel with my diesel truck. I still drive my gas truck in town. But on the highway. My diesel is great.
Good video! We’re really happy with our 350 with the 7.3.
Awesome review, love your energy!
JB, I have a 2023 xlt f250 7.3 tremor on order. Trading in a 2015 Ram Cummins. My trailer is 28’ bumper and around 7000 lbs Can’t wait for this new truck!
Love the video was looking at Gas monsters almost went with it, but looked to upgrade to Montana fiver so decided to go with Ram 3500 SWR 4x4 payload 3995lbs. The best feature is when I drove from SC to UT on a two week voyage the exhaust break was amazing going down mountain passes. It’s all about the 1075lb torque. Yes I spent the extra $12k for HO. If I wasn’t going west of the Mississippi the gas would suffice.
Excellent review! I want to see one in excess of 100 miles. At this point I would definitely go with the 7.3 gas engine. Back in the 90s I had several of the old 7.3 diesel and I had a 460 gasser. Both were very capable
I love these videos man! Thank you
Awesome Video !! I love your content.
the gooseneck ball being in front of the axle puts more weight on the front axle, which keeps the rear from squatting and helps with stability
JB, We are really interested in your testing. We have the 6.7L and have been considering the 7.3L, so we will be watching closely. It is quite surprising the weights. Our F350 6.7L, Front GAWR 5940, Yours was 4800. Rear GAWR 9750, Yours 6780. Total GVWR 13,300 on the diesel, Yours was only 11,000. Even the tires between the Diesel and Gas was interesting. Our 6.7L LT245/75R17E 121/118S 75 PSI and Your 7.3L LT275/65R18E 123/120S 60/80 PSI. The differences were quite notable between the Diesel and Gas. We use our 6.7L only as a tow rig for the RV and nothing else, so we only get the XL model ($$$$). No need for Corinthian Leather for a tow rig, lol. Great video, as usual JB. Stay Strong. Cheers.
Great review I have a 2020 f350 with the 7.3 and have towed a 40' 14,000 lb 5th wheel 4,000 miles and have averaged 7 mph overall.
I would like to thank you for your reviews you are very credible. Right on time for me cause I was reluctant to buy diesel and not enough confident to buy the 7.3. Yo
Our Grand Design 28BH just under 10k lbs and a claimed pin weight of 1700 lbs with our 2020 F250 7.3 gas and Timbren frame bumpers does great. My truck has just over 3000 lbs payload. I feel confident it could pull a 12k fifth wheel with relative ease as long as the pin weight stays around 2100 lbs.
These 7.3 gas engines are King!
I have the 2020 f550 service truck with the 7.3 gasser. I love it and my truck is even detuned and has a lower rev limiter to 4,500 rpm. I weigh about 16,000 pounds and I can take parleys Canyon with no issue staying with traffic. I get about 8 mpg to 10 mpg depending how aggressive my driving is or the hills I climb. I’m really sold on these engines and working for ford we really haven’t seen any major problems. We have had a few blown motors but not much since it was introduced
I love these video. Do one with a F350 tremor for me in the future
It's a really interesting motor!
coming from a chevy guy, love it!!! reminds me of 8.1 chevy in so many way !!!
JB with a Lariat: this truck is bare bones 🙄
I do hope your new Ford is as good to you as all of mine have been to us. Great video!
Love your content, can't wait to see you hit 100k subs!
With forscan you can put the numbers above the gauge for oil temp etc. Turn off the annoying Chimes. Turn your c-clamps driving lights brightness up, and turn on bambi mode that allows your brights quad beam and driving lights on at the same time.. so many forscan cheat codes!
JB, I upgraded to the 7.3 F350 LB from the 6.2 gas 250 and the difference is significant. Just yesterday did many of the Forscan mods mentioned and it makes things much easier to monitor. Why Ford doesn't provide them is curious.
Certainly the diesels are better overall for towing, but
The two main things I think about when considering gas vs. diesel are that gas has much less range and it's very difficult to refuel at most gas stations. You should do a video where you pull that trailer into several typical gas stations. I'd much rather pull into the truck lanes...
Ive been towing with gas engines since 1978 and have had no problems getting into or out of gas stations. As with any RV configuration you have to make smart decisions.
I wouldn’t call my experience VERY difficult. It can be annoying dealing with gas but not difficult at all.
@@robertpulliam9973 I’ve been towing RV since 2017 and convenient store gas stations are a pain in the azz 😂Out west I did see quite a few more RV gas lanes at truck stops
@@supporterofsanityit depends on how they are laid out. Personally I’ll wait for an outside island to open up rather than trying to maneuver in and out with a bunch of 4 wheelers who don’t know what they’re doing or to busy on their phone.
Anyone making the consideration isn’t going to be worried about that minor detail. The major concerns are the diesel reliability or lack there of the SCR systems that constantly fail and the 50 miles to derate,That you get once there’s an issue you’ve got 50 miles and you are done you are not towing a trailer anymore you have to get to a dealer within those 15 miles and chances are they’re not gonna be open and they’re not gonna have time to work on your rig right away. Add to that the insanely high cost to repair and maintain them the fact that the diesel engine warranty is useless for the fuel system since most customers end up paying out-of-pocket even on new trucks because of poor quality fuel then you have to go after the station that sold the fuel to you try to get them for $15,000 good luck with that it’s just a nightmare and no one needs. The biggest thing is these diesel trucks are not meant to be daily driven back-and-forth to work with no load they’re meant to be loaded and run for hours on end not a twenty minute to forty minute commute empty that doesn’t do the jobIt’s just a matter of time before your emission system and egr system plugs up. I work on diesel trucks every day I maintain a fleet of them for a highway department most of ours are much larger 9 L Cummins and max force I wish we had a viable gasoline option they just don’t produce the torque in the truck that weighs 30 to 50,000 pounds and is pushing snow uphill. Our trucks are constantly giving us issues with the emission system it is not designed for our application either but there’s nothing we can do about it.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
I have a 34 ft travel trailer 7500 pounds and have a 2021 3.5 V6 twin turbo powerboost. Alot less capacity but 430 hp and 560 lb ft torque. 25-30 mpg around town and 8-10 towing 11,000 lb payload, 1609 lb capacity, class 5 hitch 1160 max hitch wt. It is fast and a real beast to drive when u need it. Almost bought a 21 F250 7.3 and glad I got this. Nice video. Thanks
My question is going down a 6% grade for 4-6 miles. The diesel exhaust brake in any of the big 3 is almost too easy, just pick your speed. Don't get me wrong, I like the 7.3 gas, but out west in the mountains, diesel will make for a stress free towing day.
Awesome video! I’d be really cool to see that 7.3 gasser compared to an early 2000s diesel!
Thank you Bro. Great info 👍🏽
Love the videos. Let's see the 7.3 tow 18k+ up a 6% grade. I think that's where we will see the difference. I have a 17 6.7 and going through mammoth or up the grapevine the truck will do 60 no problem. Gas might be ok for 15k in the flats but I think with the bigger toy haulers and mountains no replacement for diesel.
There's already a video of someone doing it with 24k+.
The Fast Lane Truck channel has videos of them pulling 15,000lbs up a 7% grade for 8 miles to an elevation of around 11,000 feet trying to maintain the speed limit of 60mph. The 7.3 finished only 20 sec behind the Cummins and Duramax, and all three had the pedal to the floor doing it. Doesn't seem so bad for a naturally aspirated engine to me. That said, if I lived in terrain like that and towed a lot, I would choose a diesel option.
@@wrokjon link us pls
@@bryanthornton6787 I dont think TFL tests that way. I think they adhere to speed limits which is why the 7.3 is only 20 seconds back. But that is still good information to say that for regular people pulling on public highways, it's a very attractive proposition.
@@slaytanic921 th-cam.com/video/le_CdRGAmvg/w-d-xo.html
I cracked up on your pull test, the range on the fuel was like, tick, tick, tick. My 19 f250 6.2 has only given me 11.9 max. Mostly street queen mpg. But I gotta tell you, what a great experience I've had so far. These are the last of the real trucks we may ever see again. I'm not knocking the other brands either, I was born and raised GM. My father owned a Gmc dealer I pretty much grew up in. Never thought I'd wind up with a Ford after all the shopping, options, cost, and everything else. It just ended up being fate. I also had experience with the drive train and how much abuse I've put these trucks through plowing snow and towing at work and had the trust in it to break my father's heart and buy a Ford.
I have a ‘17 F250 CC with the 6.2L. I hear everyone say it’s “gutless”, but it pulls our 10k lb GN horse trailer just fine. We go back and forth between NH and FL and have never had a problem with it. Don’t get me wrong the 7.3l would be great, but the 6.2l does just fine for us.
Great video! Thanks!
Great video, I have a 2019 6.8 gas Ford F350 long bed pulling a 30 foot 8000 and 9000 pound fifth wheel, it does scream up pa. hills but it works well getting about 7 to 8 miles per gallon, yes that’s a gas engine. Approximately every 200 miles I was down to half a tank of fuel and then started looking for fuel to go from New Jersey to Leland North Carolina was to complete 2 Tank fills. Which is $200 in total. I used to own a 7.3 2002 Ford F-250 but I craved all the new technology.
Godzilla towing a 30 ft. Airstream 👍
Great video man 👍🏻 You may already know this, but you can lock out the OD gears by using the manual shift buttons when it’s in Drive. It prevents those in and out of 9th and 10th gear shifts. I usually always lock those 2 gears out when I’m pulling the 5W, unless I’m on a long straight , flat haul.
Locking out the gears on the 10 speed is pointless. The compute refigured the spread for shifts. If your "hunting" gears with the 7.3 and the 10 speed, either accelerate a few, or slow down a few.. your sitting on the shift band. Took me a bit to figure that out. It'll also hunt on inclines if your towing with cruise on.
FWIW, EVERY gas truck I've ever towed with hunts until you find the sweet spot in how you drive it. It's not a diesel, you can't drive it like one.
You having to much fun I have the 95 dually with 7.5 and i love it
Awesome video man
The long bed trucks tow big weight better than the short wheelbase ones. The extra length seems ( to me anyway ) to make it more stable, especially at higher speeds. Why anyone would want an F350 diesel, or gas for that matter with a short box mystifies me. I've got an F250 crew cab long bed diesel and I'd drag that fifth wheel of yours 80mph all day long and be totally comfortable doing it. I haven't driven a 7.3 ( gas ) truck yet so thanks for the video ✌
that 0-70 was insane im die hard diesel… but that was super impressive and that fact i keep seeing guys posting more and more about these 7.3s is really impressive to see what these motors can do and that for about 8k you can get a super charger for them and they’re making 6-700 hp easily with them (depending on pulley size) thanks for the vid JB!
That is a 10k trailer.....
It's more than enough truck for 26k and if your a renegade live on the edge it's enough for grossing 30k! When I crossed the scale at 30k my first thought damn ima get locked up, then I got on the highway and said I'll never buy a diesel again if they keep making these 7.3's!
Harrop supercharger - stock internals- 1000 HP. .
Godzilla baby!!! Pulls my GD MO 351m (17k) like a dream all day. We have over 10k miles with it and are a fulltime rv family. Love love our truck.
The best truck is the current truck you have! The grass always seems greener on the other side but not always true.
What I love about the Cummins is the exhaust brake. No pressure when coming to a nice controlled stop. You will be going through truck and trailer brake linings every 30.000 miles or less pulling with a gaser.
Fords Tow mode on the tranny does a great job with this. I have a 10,000 lb toy hauler and a F350 7.3 I don't need to be on the brakes coming to a stop any more than when the truck is unloaded. If the 10 speed can last with that kind of use for years to come, we'll see.
I am a Ford truck fan have been for years. I’m super happy with my 6.7 PS. Also have the 7.3 PS love them both. personally have no Interest as of now for any gas motor to pull anything we have. However I understand the gasser 7.3 is a good engine.
"This gas just sounds so good, though, under load"
Yeah, it really does. For a while, lol. That's a personal preference thing, for sure -- I think gas is better for short trips and in mostly level terrain. By mostly level I mean non-mountainous terrain. I never towed with the 7.3 but towed many years gasser. What killed it for me was the noise and the engine running at such high RPMs for such long periods.
Where it was bad was on interstates where I'd have a high load with any headwind and going up/down steep grades. The MPG was especially terrible.
Something I'd really consider would be the 7.3 with a whipple. I've heard a few guys say their MPG went up when towing and the truck stays at lower RPM. I did similar on a RAM and had the same experience. Basically I got 10MPG towing (mostly level) or empty with a 10k lb on a 35ft trailer. But at that point it's gas for the sake of gas because it's going to cost you $10k to put in the whipple (or more if you can't do the work).
Just my personal experience with forced induction gas towing -- it took away the negatives that bothered me.
Now, you also noted how the gasser would drop gear and hit high RPM to slow down and asked why the diesel couldn't do that. Mine does. '22 6.7 Tremor - very similar to the one you tested recently. The diesel transmission has it's own TCU and the gasser does not is where this comes in, is my guess. The diesel TCU learns, maybe if you don't tow it learns to not do it. I've towed with my truck since we got it and it will send that thing to the red line going down mountains.
Anyway, great video -- hope you all enjoy a gasser if you get one, can't remember if you did your Ford build as gas or not. It'd be REALLY interesting to see you get the Ford as a gasser -- tow with it for a while, then get the whipple SC and compare.
The company I work for is switching out their 20 year old diesel straight trucks for the new Ford 750 with the 7.3 with a 28 foot box. Getting roughly 6.8-7.2mpg and having no issues going up black mountain 6% and keeping 50ish which is perfectly fine. I honestly think my 2020 motorhome with the 6.8 V10 runs better and smoother and has better response. But hey it’s not bad for a gasser
The 3/4 & 1 ton diesel glory days have been long gone since the mid 2000s. Diesels didn’t have def and emissions equipment, price of diesel was lower, and they were easier to work on. So gas HD trucks make sense even if you get less mpg and output you save in maintenance and fuel cost.
Your video was AWESOME! Even though you towed a "Ford &.7.3L Gas" vehicle, your opinions were very impressive. I too, have a more favorable view towards a strong, solid, dependable, gas guzzling monster. And we do NOT turn down ANY gas stations! LOL 😂🤑 I appreicate my Chevy Suburban 2500. However, I don't have the 6.0 regular engine; but rather I have the 8.1, 496cc; with 340hp & 450 torque. This will "Giddy-Up" and at times, 'Swallow up' me some "hot-rods" on these LONG LONG LONG stretches of the ALASKAN highways up here.Keep up the good work. BTY-- It's a 2005 with 112k original miles 😇🤪✝
I own a 2020 F250 7.3L with 3.55 axle and haul my 24Ft gooseneck trailer. Guys you cannot compare this engine to the 6.2L gas, there is no comparison I've now owned both. I haul equipment and hay all over central New York state where we are extremely hilly. I weigh in carrying over 15k most days and happy with this truck. I work with 2 other guys driving Duramax diesels and at the end of the day with the cost of diesel and def my daily overall fuel cost is averaging the same as theirs. I would like to have exhaust braking but the 7.3 does ok. I have actually smoked the older Duramax on hills loaded similar on weight. I am happy enough with the truck I just ordered a 23' F350.
I have been driving ram 🐏 trucks for 34 years. All trucks have good 👍 points and bad points like the 6 speed ram transmission . You have to stretch the gears but the exhaust brake is the best. All my rams 1989 12 valve 03 24 valve 2021 6.7 .the more gears in the transmission more horse power and torque multiplication. What ever truck you like just keep on trucking. All be safe out there .Denis from Santa Rosa CA.
My old 03 Cummins with 34’ Toyhauler with rail/quad got 14MPG to the dunes!
I would love to see you do a test with both the GMC Duramax and the 7.3 pulling east out of SLC up to Park City on I80. Do your own version of Ike Gauntlet. Awesome video JB.
The park city grade separates the men from the boys. This would be a great test JB, just do it!!!!!!
That would be a great road to test any truck.
I have a fully loaded 2022 F-350 Lariat 4x4 with the 3.73 as well with the 7.3L. My payload is exactly 3,700 lbs. according to the door sticker. I have towed with it really only once with our 8K travel trailer and love it. I was curious how this would do with a 5th wheel this size and the truck not having the 4.30 gears. Thanks for sharing!
Dream video thanks for this
Same here, I couldn’t sleep the night before for anticipation lol
My 2022 4x4 7.3 Godzilla is a monster. 36’ Toyhauler .
Just FYI; I've towed an RV for 40+ years. Numerous trucks and engine / gearing combinations. I ordered my 21' F350 with the 7.3L gas, 3:73 rear. Did not need or want a diesel. The 7.3 tows as good or better than the diesels did a few years back. Most of my towing is in the hills & mountains of the PNW. We did do a snowbird trip to AZ. In~4k miles I averaged 10.3mpg. Don't remember ever putting my foot to the floor; rarely more than 1/2 way. Around here ~9.7 - 10 mpg (towing). I do run at 62-64mph most of the time. Did 70+ for a bit, but much more relaxed drive a bit slower. Friend with a Duramax and like trailer averaged ~1.5 mpg better. His fuel cost ~$1 - $1.25 more per gal + DEF. He paid an extra $9k for the option above the 7.3 as well. Yes he has more tq going up the long hills, but I had no issues keeping up. Same going down hill. rarely use my brakes as the tranny does the work. If you want or need a diesel; then get one. But I do not want or need it and get along just fine.
I tow my 2020 Montana HC with a 2011 GMC Denali 2500HD with the Duramax and I have the Goosebox set up. I swapped out the 20" wheels and tires for OEM 18" wheels and tires off of a 3500. My rear axle weight comes in 300 lbs under max and the trailer weighs 13800. I travel up and down the I-15 in Utah and cruise at 70mph and you can't even tell I am towing a 35' 5iver. I average 11-12 mph. No problem going up and down through the passes in central Utah. The Allison tranny is fantastic and I have some reservations about that 10 speed tranny. A-lot of moving parts and gears in that tranny for something to go wrong.
Sounds alot like the big 7.4 litre that was in my mom's 72 Olds Custom Cruiser wagon. I'm impressed with the performance and it is quieter 🤔
with this video, I am considering a gas truck, since I only rv 3-4 times a year/ Thanks JB!
Thanks for the Video !! Love my 7.3 with 4:30 gears. Overkill for the 10K Lb boat trailers I pull, but no complaints.
What MPG are you getting with the 4.30? We have a 12k lb GN horse trailer and am wondering if the 3.73 is enough or if I should get the 4.30.
@@gregormaitland5065 Haven't had the truck long, and haven't made any long trips towing but : Towing 10K boat around town in/out of boat ramps 6-8 mpg. Driving unloaded, 10.5 mpg around town, and 15.5 mpg highway if I keep it under 70mph. RPM right at 2K. All at sea level. Truck is a SuperCab. Will be towing boats from SC to FL soon as the weather warms up which will give me a better idea of what to expect. Glad I ordered the 4:30 gear, but don't have anything to compare it to.
I have a 22 F-350 dually with 7.3 and 4.30 towing 16,500lb 41ft fifth wheel. On average I get 6.8 to 7.5 mpg’s towing between 65-75mph.
I love the truck and have taken it through the Appalachian mountains on the 6-8% grades and it did great!
I have bulletproofed my '04 F350 Lariat, Crew Cab, Dually, 8' bed, 6,0 Powerstroke, 4x2, 5spd Automatic, Towing package so no reliability issues. No ridiculous DPF system either! I pulled a 44' Pace Phantom racecar hauler with a '97 Honda Prelude and a 3bdrm house of furnishings, about 17,000lbs according to the scales, from Texas to Washington state. Flat, up grades, down grades through Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, Oregon and Washington and cruise control set to the speed limit. It never gave a hiccup and got an average of 18mpg! This rig returns 21-22mpg unloaded. Other than the outrageous prices of diesel fuel in the last two years, it's the cheapest to drive rig I have. My '98 Grand Cherokee 5.9 only averages 14.5mpg...on Premium fuel only. I have over 240,000 miles on my diesel and still going strong. I'm interested to see if that 7.3 will make it 240,000 miles without issues. Interesting and probably fine for the occasional tow but for regular, long distance tows through mountains, it can't hang with a diesel. Looking forward to a longterm test.
Great review JB! Just remember for anyone towing in high altitude, on a naturally aspirated engine, for every thousand feet above sea level, you loose 3 percent horsepower.
Blower will fix that, and still cheaper then diesel. Good point though, definitely something to consider out the door.
Towed everywhere out west with the 7.3L all the way up to 10,000 ft. Don’t notice it. Have you seen the Ike gauntlet test in the 7.3?
@@wildwest6771 how did you like it? I think the 7.3 is a game changer. I don't own one, but love everything about it. I did see that test, not surprised really that you didn't notice a difference. Plenty of power. What were you hauling?
Did you say THAT trailer was for “weekend warriors”?? Lol, that’s a full-time house you got there!
I like that pinlock system vs 5th wheel hitch. For those who carry horses/goosenecks, looks compatible. Clever!
You showed a trans temp of 195, I think. Not everyone may know this but the trans temp on the Ford 10 speed will average around 200 degrees on normal days (maybe a little higher on hot days), and this is by design coupled with newer formulated fluids. In fact, I believe the trans is built to take mechanical advantage of both “heating” and “cooling” processes to maintain that temp. Most people are used to seeing much less temps and many have taken their 10 speeds in for service assuming they were always overheating. Older fluids would completely break down at constant 200 degrees.
Your 23 350 gets a 10 hp boost too. My 7.3 douwnshifts hard on grade in tow hall, but has to be on a decline, the truck knows when it's on a hill. I have had it in tow/ hall with no trailer and coasting down a hill and had to hit the gas slowed way too much with no trailer.
I’d love to drive one of these godzillas. I’m sure it’ll be a great vehicle for longevity and reliability (hopefully atleast). I drive a 24yr old cummins automatic and it tows like a freight train, hence the reason I named it my street tractor so it’s be hard for me to go back to gas however I’ve thought about it multipal times. Just for normal driving comfort, gassers are better for daily driving imo. My cummins takes FOREVER to warm up
4:30 would be icing on the cake.
Cool review… nice to see the 7.3 gas engine in action towing. Hard to justify the diesel engine unless you tow every day
Agree. It takes a long time for anyone to recoup the diesel cost with the minimal MPG gain along with the increased cost of diesel fuel. If you tow as a job, then I see the benefit. Towing 5000 miles a year or less, get gas. Cheaper, same power for normal driving and no headaches from all the other diesel issues.
100%
Exactly.
Before the 90s, all that existed for towing were gas engines. In the 50s and 60s, people used large 6 cyl!
GM proved it way back that overhead cam v-8's don't work in American pick up trucks. The Ford faithful have been suffering with the Triton engines for 0ver 20 years. This is a great engine because it's old school! You can actually see the spark plugs.
Open it up. I had a 150 with the Twin Turbo, pulling a 9K bumper trailer. NO problem at 60mph. I really didn't want to go any faster because, it felt soft and I didn't want to lose everything. I traded to a 250 7.3 Godzilla and pulled the same trailer. Ran it 70MPH and felt great.
I have a 2018 Ram 3500 with 6.4 hemi ....and it's a "dog" towing 10,000lbs....plus gas mileage even when not towing sucks. Some can probably be attributed to the archaic (basically full time) 4wd set up.
I have a 7.3L godzilla too and I want to put a proportionally sized turbo on it to help with power and some fuel economy. It’s a fucking awesome engine
Nobody who loves diesels doesnt love big cubic inch gas motors with some grunt. But the turbo diesel has been bred from day 1 to be a superior tow rig. Like people have been commenting, the diesels are much less stressful on the driver too.
Nice review! That V8 sure sounds sweet!
I know it’s crazy but what ultimately made my decision for a diesel was the ability to fuel up at truck stops. Most gas pump other than the ones made for big trucks aren’t made for a a truck and camper. The truck pumps usually only have diesel. That 7.3 is a beast and much less in maintenance costs.