They Got The Most Important Thing Wrong... Steadfast LSB ICR Inside Column Reference Bible Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.พ. 2023
- Steadfast Bibles Legacy Standard Bible (LSB), Inside Column Reference (ICR), Edge-Lined Black Goatskin by 316 Publishing
Let me open with saying that I was really excited about this layout; I think I pre-ordered it the day they announced it. For me, this design checks most of the boxes that I love. Everything seems to have been carefully thought out and considered, even the swag and packaging. Unfortunately, the big miss for me was the quality control and the customer service.
My Bible arrived with some scratches in the gilt and a few sections of pages that had smashed corners (around 100 pages). Upon reaching out to Steadfast, they claimed that these issues with within the manufacturer's tolerances... A back-and-forth ensued, and eventually a resolution was reached, but not as good a one as I was hoping for.
Two days before I filmed this review, they sent out an e-mail saying that some of the ICR Bibles are coming loose from their bindings due to not having enough glue applied. Another miss.
When you pay such a steep price for a Bible, you expect a higher level of execution that was was offered here. I might suggest that if Steadfast is going to charge big-boy prices, they either need to go back to Jongbloed for production, or be willing to better handle production-related issues for their customers.
I still absolutely love this edition, but I'm not going to be able to purchase from Steadfast in the future without having a moment of doubt as to whether or not they will stand behind their product...
ISBN: 9781636641751
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I think you are too spoiled brother, anywhere in the poor side of counties would just keep the bible as it came and be glad that they have such a beautiful bible in their hands, there are a couple of places where just one page of the Word is a blessings. keep the bible with its defects, that just adds character to your particular copy.
Yes, this is God's word, and I am truly blessed to have even one copy of it in my life. I admit that. But it's easy to forget that the physical presentation of it is still an expensive, tangible product. I paid full asking price for the Bible, so I expect full quality. Do you think a scratch on a Hasselblad camera lens "adds character"? Is a crack in a 1940 Martin acoustic guitar neck a minimal thing? Are those issues not worthy of bothering with - especially if you paid full price for the item? Should a Bible be any different just because it's a Bible? Does the fact that it's a Bible give the company leeway to produce a flawed product, charge a premium, and provide sub-par customer service?
@@RustyBibles Yes, we are spoiled in so many ways, but that said, I have to agree with you. That binding is very expensive for what it is, and it's not unreasonable to expect premium quality and customer service. At the least they should have replaced the Bible at the same price you paid.
I've just become aware of the LSB translation. While the NKJV is my favorite, I also love the NASB and the ESV and KJV. I want' to purchase an LSB which led me to YT reviews. Thanks for yours.
@@RustyBibles Well ... in the end, they will become ... Rusty Bibles. LOL Just messing with you. 😏
The first "premium" bible I ever bought was the handy size blue goatskin first edition LSB. The gold gilt line was jacked up. It was really disappointing.
Bought a Cambridge KJV Topaz blue goatskin, and the ribbons were inserted wrong, skewed toward the front instead of centered and spread out evenly, if that makes sense. I was able to fix that myself, and I'm in love!
Bought a Humble Lamb KJV lion and the ribbons were a complete joke, just sort of smashed or stuffed in there.
What's my point? I don't know. Just saying I've been disappointed too. When you pay $200+ for a premium bible, it ought to be done right.
This is just God's way of telling you to stick with the cameo, and telling me to stick with budget bibles. 😊
@@LetsGetBiblical I feel your pain. It does seem like my inexpensive Bibles always manage to show up in great condition!
I hope they allow Schuyler to make an LSB Quentel, so we wouldn’t have to rely on a single source for this translation.
Either way I’m rooting for the LSB, and I hope they get this issue sorted out.
I'm curious what the chances are for this. I know Schuyler picked up the NASB 2020 in the Stridon line, so I'm wondering if the demand would be great enough between the two without cannibalizing any sales. To be honest though, a Schuyler editions of most translations would be excellent!
@@RustyBiblesSchuyler went 2020 to capture more sales, but may drop NASB all together in a year or two. They posted a notice in a spot or two. It was a sales champ that lead in multiple categories, it's not now because the boomers and bible nerds that were NASBonly got theirs and quit buying - and NASB is now split camps 77/95/2020/LSB and nobody even knows if LSB and 2020 are gonna last long. 77 is almost dead, 2020 might be a sleeper but seems like a dud (it might be great but most consider it a watered down 95, and they want their 95) and LSB is living off JMac fanboys - GCC predator elder scandal and JMac senility/retirement are going to kill the legacy of the guy pushing the LSB. How many boomers are ill from old age and the "vaccine" hysteria? That market is dying.
● You can sell anyone a (several if they geek out) premium ESV or NIV, the market is full of competition trying to undercut prices or offer even nicer editions every year.
● NLT is criminally under represented in the premium tier so it's an easy market to capture. Many people like it for long reads or travel, even more justification to buy a premium.
● CSB is still new, hot AND under represented among premiums. They're gonna keep selling awhile, at least another 5 years.
● KJV and NKJV sell consistently, no hype beyond specific editions but they're ubiquitous standards. Unless Zondervan does something weird with the licensing, NKJV should be safe. KJV is respected, also has its own cult, broadly accessible without copyright too.
A PSQ LSB would be my dream lol 😍😍
Appreciate the input!
That was a good review. Without critiquing all the aspects of the Bible, it wouldn't be a review. So this was good!
Thank you, Joe! I feel bad saying it because I don't want to make it sound like they're terrible, but the issue needs to be addressed. I understand too, that this particular customer service rep is just acting as an agent of the company, and might not necessarily have responded the way the company would have preferred.
I really like the layout of the text. I don't use the references often and it's nice to see them on the inside column and out of the way.
I think that's the appeal for most people. It puts the main body of text on to the flatter portion of the page. This is one of my favorite layouts as well.
Hi there! Two weeks ago I ordered the black genuine leather LSB ICR. I was excited to see it shipped. When it arrived, I received the faux leather instead...disappointed. I received it on a Friday so I emailed back with a pic showing what I received. On Monday they responded within an hour after they opened. I received a label to print out for the return and they FedX the genuine leather Bible. I received it on Wednesday. However, I did open the faux leather during the weekend as I wanted to see the text and experience the paper grade. In all fairness to 316, on Thursday, I emailed them stating I decided to keep the faux leather (could have it rebound in future). They gave me a 10% discount on the faux leather for their mistake and I paid for it right then. Issue was resolved. Both copies are stellar in regards to construction. However, the gold gilding was messy on both copies. But I don't allow myself to get upset over the gilding as that gets messed up quickly after normal use anyways. Sorry to hear that your experience with 316 was less than you had expected. But my dealings with them during the past couple years have been great. Love the ICR. It has become my everyday carry.
I purchased the LP & handy size both in faux material but have been doing my research on their product while surfing 316 Bibles. Thanks for this video. I have decided to hold off, even from the RJB goatskin binding (@ $234) since someone mentioned they’d even had problems with theirs. I have numerous Schuyler Bibles so will put a premium purchase idea on hold for the time being & use my faux ones. Certainly hope Schuyler picks it up. Again, thanks for your opinion/share. ❤
If you're really interested in the translation, I might wait until they're on their second printing. Hopefully by then, they have things down. I just purchased what I thought was the second run of the RJB Handy Size, and it turns out it was still the first printing blocks... So no update to the text for me... I e-mailed them a yes or no question as to whether or not the text had been updated and received a very long and convoluted answer with a link to an hour long video. It just left me more confused... I e-mailed them again for some clarity and didn't get a response...
I have found (for me) that anytime I receive something in pristine condition ... I'll end up messing it up on day one! I'm generally very careful and dainty, yet, if it's expensive, that's when I always have an accident. Info from 19 min in and past was extremely helpful! Thanks!!
My wife mishandles bibles, picks them up the gilding and dents it, stands them up and strains the yapp, pulls ribbons from the top.... the bigger problem is they're my bibles.
@@nobodyspecial1852 DIVORCE HER! LOOL JK JK
@@Jlogann I'm sorry, I giggled at this. But yes, if it is expensive, I will mess it up like dropping a used cannonball. lol. Cheaper bible or anything, will look good for years to come.
I have a handy size from Jongbloed. I'm happy with the quality overall, but I had to send my first one back for a replacement. The text block was not only not centered in the cover, but it was also angled within the cover, and this was extremely obvious just from glancing at the book. They did provide a free replacement and cover all shipping costs.
The replacement text block was slightly off-center in the cover, and the ribbons stained the pages. Thankfully, they offered a free tumbler to make me feel better about spending $225 on a Bible with colored stripes on the pages.
In seriousness, I'm fairly happy with my purchase, but even one side of the tag on the Bible armor they sent me isn't printed anywhere near the center. There are minor printing issues (red ink faded in some areas, line matching is non-existent in some places), but I think at some point we're paying for simply the small size of the operation rather than the quality of the Bibles.
I have two LSB premiums and both are near flawless . Totally satisfied
That's excellent to hear! From what I've heard, they've fixed the production issues, and I'm glad they did.
Me too! What you experienced was unacceptable.
Man, sorry to hear about the terrible customer experience you endured! Not sure the LSB is up my alley but some of their editions look great. The single column handy size looks fantastic.
They really do have some excellent editions. I hope it didn't come across like they were absolutely horrible. It just could have been handled better. I don't mind Korean produced Bibles, but if they're charging top dollar for less than top dollar production, they need to at least be ready to take care of customer issues. Like I said in the video, they're doing a great job with handling the glue issue; I just don't understand why they couldn't swap mine out when it had damaged pages.
@@RustyBibles I’ve tried to email 316 multiple times just to find out if this has the updated text and never got a response. I have a premium first edition but wanted a second edition with the corrected text. I am not impressed with how slowly they have produced new LSB editions overall.
Won't be buying the goatskin. Waiting to hear if any are having similar issues with the paste down cowhide. From 316 Customer Service dated 2 - 7: "Our LSB Inside Column Reference Cowhide LSB has had little to no issues come up from any customers."
@@SaneNoMore part of the reason it took me so long to get this issue "resolved" is the response time for e-mails. They were averaging like 4 or 5 days between responses. To be fair, I think they're understaffed. I was getting e-mails for a while saying they were hiring. If you have some verses you want to throw at me, I can look them up and let you know if the text has been updated.
@@dougholiday7523 that's good to hear. They estimated that 8% of the goatskin Bibles sold have issues with the binding, but I would guess it's probably higher than that since a good percentage of the Bibles probably aren't been read immediately. I'm sure how long their warranty period is going to be. I'm in the middle of a read-through now, and it would be a shame if I finally got the LSB only to have issues with the binding, and them to tell me I'm out of luck since it's been too long. I think I would have to break out the camera and do an update video if that happened! 😆
I had ordered one of these in Burgundy goatskin. Mine looked like it had some of the binding issues. I emailed and sent pictures. They gave me the same answer they gave you. In manufacturing tolerances. They offered to return the Bible for a refund without the restocking fee. So I did that. Refund issued within a day of their receipt of the Bible.
I have replaced it with a hardback edition and picked up a 5 Solas in goatskin edition. Both are beautiful Bibles.
I am sorry you had less than stellar customer service from 316. Your review seemed quite fair. Hopefully 316 watches this and adjusts their policies accordingly.
How would you describe the blackness of the print? Is it may be just the video or is it a little grayish? For example compared to a Quentel?
I bought a $115 leather LSB wide margin and it looks good and is satisfactory..I like it alot. I wonder if the problem lies only with the ICR edition..? My cover and gilding looks perfect. I would have returned yours.
Interesting, because I purchased the exact same Bible, and had virtually the same issue with the gilting being damaged. I contacted them and was immediately offered a return shipping label. I sent the Bible back to them and they promptly sent me a new, replacement bible. Straightforward and simple exchange.
Was this recently? I'd like to hope they revamped things for the better.
@@RustyBibles … yes, just happened.
You got off easy. My Goatskin, CCR fell apart. 316 had me send it to them and they sent it back a month later, in the same condition. I had to glue it back together myself. 316 apparently decided they had too many defective Bibles to repair them.
I wish I had something other than a thumbs up to give this... wow... just wow... I'm incredibly sorry to hear that. I received an e-mail after I made this video that said they were having problems with the binding, I'm assuming this is what happened to yours. It's a real shame when companies leave their customers out to dry like that.
Thanks for the review. Great as always. Not sure I'd ever buy an LSB...the price point seems kinda high...but I could be wrong.
Edit: that bible should have been in the scratched and dented pile. For them to say the blemishes were "within manufacturer's tolerances" is really bad....I bet they wouldn't drive a brand new Hyundai off the lot with a big old scratch on the hood! Sad to hear about your bad customer service experience.
Thank you for the kind words. The pricing is a little on the high side when you consider the fact that you can get a Jongbloed produced Bible for around the same price, and know that there aren't any issues, or if they are, they will be be adequately addressed.
It is ridiculously high if you want it delivered to the UK. As is all their bibles thankfully slowly though some are being sold on Amazon.
@@claudiabailey5302 That's what I've been hearing about the shipping costs. I'm glad Amazon does have some. I might stay away from this edition to avoid any headache with having to send it back. I've heard that the other editions are better constructed.
I want an LSB, but the prices seem high for the quality, imo. For that heavy a weight of paper, there is a LOT of ghosting. My 28 gsm Quentels from Schuyler have much less ghosting. Guess I'll wait a bit.
I had scratches on my large print wide margin and creases on the title pages of my two column reference edition that were straightened out so obviously they knew that one had issues. Not worth sending back but still not too happy with the amount spent. Funny thing my faux leather lsb and new testaments were perfect.
Weirdly, I've been hearing ti's the goatskins that have been having all the problems. You'd think they'd put the most attention towards the most expensive editions...
Thanks for your post on the Legacy Standard Bible Inside Column Reference Bible. There seems to be some confusion about refunds. At 12:56 in, you said they told you, that you could send the bible back and get a full refund. That said, later on you state they would not give you a refund.
Personally, I've had nothing but quality support from Steadfast Biubles 316 Publishing.
That being the case, maybe the best option would be to send it back for replacement.
It was a little confusing. Initially they offered me either a $15 refund to keep the Bible, or I could send it back for a full refund. The problem is, I want an ICR! Haha! So if I would have sent it back and gotten a full refund, I could have placed an order for another, but I would have had to pay the full price ($20 more than the pre-order price). There is also the risk that I could have received another Bible with issues that was "within manufacturer's tolerances". At that point I would have paid $20 more, wasted a lot of time, and still had a defective Bible. I didn't want to take that risk. So I accepted their refund, which they upped to $20 in the mean time - still not enough in my book considering the amount of damage. I would have been fine sending the Bible back if they would have just sent me a replacement, or honored the pre-order pricing, but they would not.
Does this edition have the updated and corrected text?
Yes
Funny story. The only difference between your Bible and mine is that I got the one with index tabs. Mine came dented as well and the binding already has issue right out of the box. Sadly 316 has missed the mark ever since going with Korean binding yet still charging RJ prices. This is not a premium bible and is nowhere near on par with Schuyler, Cambridge or RL Allen, all which have RJ binding in common. They are charging Schuyler prices for a bible with major quality issues. I’ve gone back to my ESV Schuyler and Cambridge bibles. I’ve bought my last Bible from 316.
You hit the nail on the head. I'm fine with paying the increased price as long as the customer service and QC are there, but when both are lacking, it's impossible to justify the cost. Especially, like you said, for Allan or Schuyler money.
If these Bible Publishers are going to charge premium prices , and they do, we the consumers , should expect a premium product in every respect , if they fail to deliver , they should take care of the issue promptly.
I won't be buying a high end bible from Steadfast Bibles or 316. I might buy a hardcover LSB Reference Bible from Amazon or Christian Book Distributors, something I can return easily if the bible is flawed.
Thanks for the warning about 316 Publishing.
How disappointing. Customer service is most important. I won't be ordering from them, nor their products. Thanks for passing on the truth to your viewers. New sub.
I’ve only used this Bible a few times and the binding is already separating. I have emailed 316 twice now, and gotten no response. This is the second LSB that I own that has binding issues. Customer Support and quality construction is very poor from 316 and Steadfast.
I'm incredibly sorry to hear that. I received an e-mail after this review, and it stated they were having issues with their bindings. I'd love to know how they resolve your issue if they ever get back to you...
The price point to me is shocking on the goatskin at least. The paper is not premium paper, clearly. They say 40gsm and that’s it... but if it were premium you better believe they’d say so, but they didn’t. The ribbons are just average. Bound in Korea as you say to keep costs low. All that considered and more it’s still the same price as a Schuyler wide margin?!
Average ribbons 😂 bound in korea? Sacrilege 😢
It’s exactly why I wish Schuyler could get the rights to print one in this format.
I agree. The quality of the bindings and materials obviously don't justify the high price.
I've had similar struggles with them. I have purchased several different prints of the LSB for various purposes, and it seems like anything larger than the handysize is falling apart. And I wasn't helped with the 3 bibles I have that are falling apart. I hope other bible manufacturers get the rights to this sooner rather than later. I love the LSB and have begun using it with our church and for preaching. But they really need better quality and service for the premium $.
For the "pin", if the "frog" the endclip is damaged, you can probably just put on a new one, that should be available in most craft stores.
Thank you!I hadn't thought of that!
The top one would be a no go for me. The others are not as big a deal but that’s not good.
Did they ever make these? I feel like they are all pastedown cowhide
Not sure what you mean... They've done many different editions over the years. They do tend to sell out quickly though.
Fully get what you're saying. Id get a full refund and get the jblood
Having spent a lifetime in retail they absolutely should have taken the back for exchange.
If they had offered a 50% refund on something like that, I gladly would’ve taken it. But $20? That’s kind of insulting. Makes more sense to buy a cheaper edition and have it rebound by a Jeffrey Rice or someone like that.
Btw, Jeffrey Rice has video on TH-cam talking about an LSB rebind he did and he mentions that the factory binding is not great. The paper is fantastic though.
That's a tempting proposition there for sure!
You are right sir. For the price you paid for that Bible there should NOT be any imperfects! And then the hassle you got to return it was horrible! I will Not order from them. They make Bibles but don't act like Christians.
I am curious if they've revamped their customer service since this. I heard a bunch of horror stories around the time I posted this video, but recently I've heard a couple positive reviews of their customer service. Hopefully it's a new standard and not just a one off...
Their customer service is trash, I ordered an edge lined goatskin handy size special edition and it came out of line, paper damaged, and 5 or 10 pages with ink on them, and falling apart from the binging, and the corner work was really bad. took like a month going back and forth, many pictures to show and finally was offered a coupon code for the price i paid, minus the tax and shipping (i live in canada) They finally sent me a new one, but it took so LONG seriously never ordering from them again. I have 4 LSB goatskins, 1 Shamar 1st edition 1 hardcover. i don't need anymore.
Most of the more critical reviews have been nitpicky stuff. I'm very impressed with the LSB. I still have my dad's NASB from 1980. I think it's better than the NASB.
I would agree. I think the only real issue was the binding falling apart on the first batch, but I've heard that's an issue that has been fixed.
Why does everyone like LSB so much?
Haha! I can't answer you that one. It's close enough to the NASB that I just stick with the original.
Maybe you should have went and picked the bible up in person. Lord only knows what that package went through just getting to your house. If you’re actually going to be using the bible, you’ll probably inflict more damage than it has in a pretty short period of time. Probably should be content with what you got, and be thankful you got it at all.
316 Publishing is located on the opposite side of the country from me. The Bible was well packaged, and the package itself wasn't damaged. The issue was quality control. Just giving the $200+ Bible a once over would have caught the mistake; that paired with poor customer service sealed the deal for me. I am certainly content owning even one Bible, but there is a certain level of care and customer service expected at that price point. The Bible I use for church is $30 and I had no issues with the damage it had on the gilt when it arrived, because that is the expectation for a $30 Bible.
The most important thing??? No! The most important thing lies inside the cover! God’s Word! Customer service, bent pages and gilding are NOT! I understand that price should = quality but after reading the Bible consistently it would end up looking beat up and well loved anyway. Yes, I agree that 316 won’t drop prices….case in point….the latest handy sized from Jongbloed had the lesser quality ribbons bleed onto the pages, so they offered another product with it rather than drop the price. The book block is good and the same in all the different covers.
Agreed! The most important part is what's on the pages. "Most Important" from a company/customer perspective. From a Christian perspective, I'm still gonna read the beans out of it. :D
Brother if this is the worst thing that happens in your life, you are surely a blessed man. You were offered ab extra $15 on top of the original $20 discount and post it back and do the deal again which you have declined. to order this from New Zealand it will cost north of $400 ( exchange rate and postage) .
Most important features: Mark 12:28-32, John 17:3, John 20:17, Rom 15:6, Rom 16:27, I Tim 2:5, Rev 3:2, Rev 3:12.
And many more that don’t teach God is a trinity.
Always use different translations in study .
Probably they have no fixed rules in customer service, what they told you was maybe just the judgment of the customer service rep. Still annoying on how they handled it for a luxury bible.
Unacceptable. Do better 316 Publishing!
I’m actually going to get an NKJV over this just because their nicest ones don’t have footnotes and references
Crazy
@@veritaslux644 anything KJVO is the opposite of wise and blasphemy of the Spirit. I can find you many inaccuracies in the KJV. It’s a translation and no perfect will ever exist. LSB is the most literal in English to date. There are verses in KJV not found anywhere else. The translators stated it was a mean translation at best.
Listen bud, repent of that crap. You call any other version a satanic perversion and you blaspheme the Spirit of God as did the Pharisee when they accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzelbul. Please I pray you be careful with what you accuse the flock of.
@@BibleLovingLutheran Not all fans of the NKJV and KJV are KJV-only. I agree the KJV-only folks are illogical in their beliefs; they are ALL translations. But the NKJV is my favorite, but I also love the NASB, ESV, and KJV. They are all excellent English translations and we are blessed to have so many good choices.
It looked like something pushed in on the pages. Sorry. These aren't the cheapest bibles and we expect more.
It's kinda wrong to put the word End after Revelation, when actually everlasting life begins there 🙂
I agree! It's going to be like a drop in the bucket compared to eternity.
KJV usually does it too
You didn't get the thumb index.
Correct. I did not.
Go with Schuyler.
They really can't be beat!
@@RustyBibles I agree. I personally like full yapp bibles, and I also like the NASB 95 a lot so right now Schuyler is the best. Unfortunately they stopped producing the NASB 95 in PSQ. I might get a second Quentel before they stop producing the 95 and move to the 2020.
@@Sapientiaa I think this run of the 95s is the last run too. I've been reading through the 2020, and I like it quite a bit. Nothing has stood out to me, and it reads a little smoother than the 95.
@@RustyBibles Doesn’t that extra smoothness defeat the purpose of the formal equivalence translation? The only reason I didn’t go for the 77 was because of the archaic language.
@@RustyBibles I haven’t read the 2020. I’ll have to look more into it.
Is the word, "smashed" in vogue right now in the US? I get that you're upset, but overdoing the smashed word is over the top, in my opinion. That said, any premium bible that arrived damaged needs to be returned and replaced by the publisher.
In my opinion, nitpicking someone's use of the word "smashed" is over the top. I guess hyperbole is off the table. 🤷♂️
I would laugh if you complained...dented pages...silly
You better lean back and get a solid chuckle going then. 😉
For the price and that’s basically a premium Bible that’s a big deal. Damaged pages and art guilt is a deal breaker for most.
why not take the full refund?
I like the edition, but I had ordered it at a discounted rate since it was a pre-order. If I would have taken the refund, I would have had to order it again and would have not received the discounted price.
Does it really take 33 minutes to tell us one thing wrong with the Bible and why it's wrong? Time is precious and, not to mean this as an insult, but there are extremely few people on TH-cam that are worth listening to for more than a few minutes. Get to the point, state it, and let us go listen to something else. Who gives a hoot about getting a pin and what kind of stock the advertisements were printed on. Tell us, according to the title of your video, what's wrong with the Bible and shut it down. I can tell you that for myself, I'm not gonna listen to a half hour of filler to get what can probably be said in one minute. I'm moving on so I don't know what's wrong with this Bible.
There is a search feature at the top of TH-cam, and the video length is indicated on the bottom right of each thumbnail. If that is still no help to you, I might suggest you produce the video content that you desire - like I have on my channel.
Won’t check it out because it was formulated by Calvinists
Can you recommend a translation that had no input from a Calvinist?
@@RustyBibles lol good point. I suppose I just take pause with this one because didn’t Mccarthurs folks take the lead on this one ?
I'm not sure if they took the lead. I know they were involved, but I wouldn't discard the entire translation because of it. I probably wouldn't agree on something with every person involved with every translation ever produced, but I have to judge the translation on its own merit. Judging it based on who produced it instead of its content is a genetic fallacy.
@@Dispensational_David many bibles have atheist scholars work with translation teams.
It's a bible just read it then read the true bible the authorised king James bible
தமிழில் மட்டும் பேசினால் என்ன படிக்க வேண்டும்?
@@RustyBibles Perfect answer...lol