Toro TimeMaster Review TimeMaster vs Honda- 30” vs 21” 2018
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- Toro TimeMaster Review TimeMaster vs Honda- 30” vs 21” 2018 Review of the new Toro Time master and my personal thoughts, for “SHOULD I UPGRADE MY REGULAR HOMEOWNER MOWER, TO A TIMEMASTER, DOES IT MAKE SENSE??” Toro is a solid Mower competitor for the homeowner market. When it comes to the prosumer side of things (middle ground between homeowner and Professional), this Mower falls right in the pack. This is more of a 30" vs 21" review, as this could of been any 21" mower that you put it up against, as the main reason behind a 30" cut , is for the 30" cut.... not 21". So because I compaired it to the Honda 216vka, doesn't mean anything... Cause even a brand new Honda, at the 21" deck.... will not be a 30" mower. When it comes down to it, that is the main thing to consider, do you want a bigger or smaller cut.
But for the Toro Timemaster Review aspect of it, I did:
- Spec comparison
- Turning in tight space
- Cut Quality
- Cut Quality in long Grass
- Mower race (and a funky dance)
- One handed turning
- My feelings on the size of the yard a Timemaster fits on
- Time savings on 4200 sqft
Mowers compared:
Toro TimeMaster- amzn.to/2DqKlGl
Honda -(not exact model as the one I used was from the early 2000’s) amzn.to/2PK7aue
As always, please reach out to me at:
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If you have any questions, comments or concerns!
Jeremy of The Greener Lawn
Make Er' Green
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Is that how you cut a small area? Common sense has yet to kick in... doung too much. What was the purpose?
I explain at 4:22 , 6:32 , 6:44 exactly why I did that.
4th time: To answer the BIGGEST question I get about this mower: Will it fit on my yard / is it too big for my yard?
I feel that I showed it has the same capabilities as that 21” deck.... pretty darn
Well wouldn’t you say?
Lightweight is good and what did I use it for it’s a lawnmower th-cam.com/users/postUgkxTPN04aT-Qdjr_KS3ql7ng8wnU3wwsCqk also recommend Yes it is lightweight so hence not as robust as our old one. But if you take care it does the job really well.
Glad to help.
You went into a lot of detail and that is very appreciated, nice job on this video.
Doug Blacksill Thanks Doug!
I got a Toro Time Master for nine years I've been using it commercially it has over 1500 hours on it and I've had to put very little money into it it's a great machine
Paula Fontaine Paula Fontaine I had no clue it’s been on the market that long. What has your maintenance schedule been on it? How many lawns do you service!
Thanks for the comment!
Excellent explanation and demo. 👍
Kick ass shirts too. 😎
Bro your editing skills are next level. 😀
jef chaplin thanks!
Thanks, Ben Sims rocks and Do My Own rocks!
Thanks!
Excellent review! Your video helped with purchasing decision between the Honda vs Timemaster. For me, cut quality is a priority and this video answered that question. Thank you!!
That Quadra cut system is a serious cutting machine! 💯
You did a good job comparing 2 very different mowers. Almost like comparing a big luxury car to a sports car in some ways. I wish there was an easy way to measure operator fatigue. TimeMaster at 140 lbs. and $1149 MSRP vs basic level Honda HRR216 at 81 lbs. and $479 MSRP. If I compare them like steak ... TimeMaster is $8.20 / lb. and HRR is $5.91 / lb. Keep your repair records straight for a long-term comparison of your TimeMaster to my Honda HRC216HXA which is 120 lbs and $1269 MSRP. My Honda commercial is 10 years old this month, runs and looks like new, still has original wheels and bearings. In fact ... everything is original except the spark plug $3, rear shields 2@ $8, rear lower scroll $8, air filter $16, extra blades $19 and a 29 cent push nut. Ten years from now we have to see if you have spent less than $75 for parts or still have either of those mowers.
+Paul S ask my kid... 12 year old, he will tell you the operator fatigue aspect... lol he says he hates the TM, way to hard, much prefers the Honda! But I couldn’t disagree more, I think it’s super light as I use the personal pace system to do all the work. I can do it all one handed because I let the machine do it. When I go to turn I keep a little pressure on the system and it walks it’s self around... unfortunately, it’s all personal preference.... for everyone. Which I could give a clear answer to it.
We counting oil? I’ll lose 😁. So far, I’ve got a new plug in it, oil and a filter... should have extra blades, don’t, but I hand sharpened mine with a file (need to check the balance).
Honda is at my gparents... I gave it to them as theirs went out. But I have access and my kid uses it to cut their lawn every week. So that one loses the longevity field for me... Tm is over a year old now 😁
Thank you! I appreciate the feed back!
Great review, I like the time savings of my TimeMaster and how it looks when the cut is complete!
CELESTE MUSTAIN thanks! I can’t agree more!
I have both as well. I do love Honda engines, but the Timemaster for me was a total game changer. The timemaster leaves such a beautiful cut (especially if bagging) because the amount of air flow/vacuum effect it generates. I agree the Timemaster doesn't mulch the best, but all your cut quality issues are fixed if you bag. Now if Honda made a 30"...that would be something. Good video bro!
Greg Kohls Jr. I saw the LCN talk about different blades on his TM, I need to reach out and see what he thinks about them. I will not give up the organic matter the mulching gives in our soil.... my personal choice, neither of us are wrong at all... because you are correct if I were to bag, the clumps would be gone... question tho, do you see all the “stragglers” that are loud and proud ....with a bag? They stand out sooo much... to me, of course!
@@TheGreenerLawn not at all. I think the Timemaster was meant to bag for optimal performance. It actually gives a better cut than the Honda if you bagged both. If you are just mulching... Hard to beat a Honda 😉
Greg Kohls Jr. 😂🤣😂😜I cant help but to feel that is a dig at mulching....
I should of tested it with the bagger/mulch/ side discharge....
Your very correct, they probably built it with mulching in mind... but built for bagging (what a lot of pros do, they side discharge a lot too...). I’m guessing that’s what the stock blades are geared towards!
I have a 2018 honda hrx217 with the hexalite deck and just picked up a timemaster. The 30 inch is much easier to maneuver believe it or not. Quality of cut is superior on the toro as well. Both have sharp blades. This is true in all three modes for me.
Hey man this was a great video that helped me with my purchase decision. Thanks.
Jonathan Pruitt Jonathan, glad I could assist! I had wished someone had done a comparison like this for me 👌🏻
Great review! I like the way you put them against each other. I'll continue my search for a deal on a Time-Master.
Smart idea on the search for the deal! They are out there! Mine rang in at $600, new in box, off a classifieds add.
Thanks, I felt that it gave a basis for my review as a homeowner. Most homeowners would step up to this out of a traditional 21”-22” mower cut width. So I felt it gave a solid foundation of what they would gain, if they would gain and why. I’m glad you saw the value in this review, thanks for the comment John!
Great review. Very thorough.
Ortho Doc thanks! Glad you enjoyed it as a fellow TM owner!!
Every Spring I have the machine gun through have the belts checked new blades change the oil to ended up it's been a great machine I use it on 32 to 35 lens as my secondary machine and mow a lot of those lines because the lines are small I work in a mobile home park and it's perfect for it I bought it in 2007
Paula Fontaine Paula Fontaine that’s very smart! Sustainable and great business practice!
I would imagine having those types of accounts could be easy and challenging all in one though.
Great video as always brother
Thanks Dave! This was the beast that made my email response late... I apologize lol! Thank you tho!
Awesome review!
Evergreen Cottage & Gardens thanks Dennis! Much appreciated!
I liked your comparison. I have used both in my lawn service. A couple of more pros for the timemaster in my opinion are the handle can be changed with the click of the blue lever for easier transport or blade change, and also it has a side discharge option that theHonda does not. Thanks for the detailed review- happy mowing!
AA&O 💯 well said! Those are huge pros, I did miss those.... thank you very much!
+AA&O 💯! Solid adds! Thank you!
Where do all of you guys find those edging blocks? I need some of those
Guys I had do mine www.skinnercurbing.com/
I had a Sutech Stealth 33 that was nice and now I have a Timemaster which is terrific. 30 inch cut.
Heck yea!!
Im looking at getting the toro turfmaster with the heavier transmission and the kohler 200cc motor
Nice, it’s a bit more expensive, but a larger gas tank, which I really wished the TM had! I would love to hear what you think about it after you do!
Well done and comprehensive review. How do you trim along your vinyl fence without damaging it, what diameter trimmer line/technique do you use? I am concerned about damaging mine when using a weed wacker.
Hey cardio, thanks! So along the fences I trim aggressively at a angle down. Instead of hitting it at level, I angle it downwards at a 45 degree angle. That way I’m attacking the grass and not the fence. Two things you could look into is “fence armor” and a cement mow strip (I plan on doing a diy version one this year some time). My ego handles .95 diameter string, so that’s what I run. It’s tough and doesn’t allow for much bending of the grass blades.
Good advice, appreciate you taking the time to respond!
If you take time to comment as ask a question, it’s the least I can do to provide feed back! Feel free to reach out any time JeremyofTheGreenerLawn@gmail.com or comment on videos
@The Greener Lawn what striping system do you use on your Honda 21”?
Vincent Mazziotti BigLeague Lawns checkmate system:
Lawn Striping - BigLeague Lawns Checkmate Kit Unbox Install th-cam.com/video/P_spAaT1Q8s/w-d-xo.html
thank you! my honda’s wheel adjustments are slightly different. i need to find one that will work for my honda.
Vincent Mazziotti on their website they have different models,
www.bigleaguelawns.com/
For 5,000 to 5,00 Sq ft would you recommend the Toro or Honda?...In need of a mower and have narrow it to these 2.
Classic Retros23 what are your ultimate goals with the mower? Best cut quality, time savings a mix?
What’s the most narrow part of your yard? More then 30”
I use both of mine for for my lawn business one on each truck each one does about 30 a week I’ve never had any of the issues others complain about but I also maintain them well
chuckccfd9 that’s key to anything maintenance and taking care of your equipment. If you stay on top of it and address issues quick.. most equipment will last!
I sold the Timemaster and use my Toro/Briggs & Stratton Personal Pace 22". I prefer that I can maneuver it better, it stripes nice with my striper, it's light, cuts very well and takes up less space in my garage. On one of your videos, I posted I was using my old Honda. I ment my Toro. I do have a Honda snowblower I also like a lot.
ICaughtYouBASStard that makes sense! I was confused, cause I remembered the comment, and was like ur bouncing through them all😜
It not about one-fits-all, as you demonstrate, find what’s best for you, and rock that! Hopefully if you have to go through a few you get good resale value out of what u go through!
My Toro Super recycler has the same issue missing some of the blades. I usually double stripe so end up going over a lot of it twice so that helps.
All mowers miss one from time to time... nothing is perfect... I showed like 5 in 1-2 feet.... like I said it’s not so bad when shorter...
Good call on the DBL stripe!
@@TheGreenerLawn I stripe in a different direction each time so that doesn't help either.
How is the self propelled when pulling backwards? I’ve got a hrr216k8vya and the bushings get gunked up constantly, then you can’t pull the mower backwards. Have you seen that with your hrr? Looks like you have to go hrc on the Honda side to get rid of the bushing system.
briantii not... it’s propelled by YourSelf... I have heard of them stopping up, not allowing them to be pulled backwards... never have experienced it on my Honda. That is a well known issue they experience.😢
@@TheGreenerLawn Yeah, I'm working on a few solutions including a zerk fitting to push fresh grease in there. Problem is it pushes the dust seal out. Up next I'm going to try needle bearings and modifying the dust seal to seal off both sides and carefully reassemble it with jb weld. Last ditch effort. I love the mower when it works but its a major design flaw and I'm very much over it. HRC is the only way to get a completely redesigned system... or a different brand. I like the blade brake clutch and looks like none of the snappers have it. I'm really skeptical of the Toro personal pace handle bar deal. A floppy handle bar just seems like it could be a pain with the hills I have. We'll see... mine is getting one last lease on life.
briantii not super loose on the personal pace , it’s spring loaded as you would imagine, so when you lock your arms in, it goes... I get the concern tho.
I’d be interested in seeing your finished product of those fixes... that would be cool, if you could diy a solution 💯
@@TheGreenerLawn Cool will do. I've got pics of the zerk fitting up on one of the forums. I just wish I'd locked in the dust seal with jb weld. I think the problem is that dust / dirt comes in from the wheel side where there really isn't a seal and goes straight into the bushing. Legit mine will turn smooth but 10 - 15 minutes of heavy dust and you can't pull it backwards easily anymore. Such a stupid and flawed design. A couple of sealed ball bearings would have workes so much better, unfortunately the design as is doesn't have room so I'm going to try needle bearings and hope I can find a way to keep the dust out.
@@TheGreenerLawn I posted what I'm trying over here on this forum in case you're interested. One mow thus far but it's working well. Fingers crossed it stays that way. And yeah I messed up the model in the title - VLA should be VYA. -
www.lawnmowerforum.com/showthread.php/57255-Can-t-Pull-Mower-Backwards-HRR216VLA-to-bearing-conversion
Why do you make 2 trim pases with the timemaster?
flat 4 because of the bigger deck, it will leave patches of uncut grass it tighter places as I turn.. not giving a quality cut and it makes the turns so much easier and quicker.
Can the toro personal pace run without having the blades on?
Yes, this Timemaster has the blade stop feature, and comes in handy when moving it over cement or Obstacles where you don’t want the blades spinning. This is also a feature in other Toro models with the personal pace.
I prefer the Toro striper over the big lawn product. The swivel of the Toro striper is a huge help unlike the big lawn striper that doesn't move at all. My results were better as well with the Toro over big league, felt more like small league lol. I have seen them work on lawns so I guess it all depends on the type of grass & other factors. Awesome video 2 yrs later!
Solid input, the toro striper does have the flexibility your 💯 on that. I run into an issue when turning in tight spaces where I lift it with my foot over my cement curbing. Other then this, personally I never had an issue.
Solid input for sure! Lawn factors and such play a huge part, but it’s mostly weight, and ability to lay a lawn over.
Thank you Mil!
@14:00 in you mention it will take a long time to realize the time or money savings, going from 21" to30". It all depends on what value you put on your time. Great review. Thanks.
💯 exactly! Nailed it! Thank you!
Have you had any problems with the mower? Or the engine?
So I have not done the vid yet, but yes... email me and we can talk about it:
JeremyofTheGreenerLawn@gmail.com
Hi from Ireland really enjoy your honest videos. I'm changing my lawnmower this year and I'm stuck between the honda hrx or the timemaster here in Ireland our climate can grow grass like no where else on the planet but that means our grass is almost always wet when cutting how does the timemaster deal with wet or damp grass
Go with the Honda. It’s superior in this aspect. I did change my blade to gator blades on my time master, but I haven’t tested it on a yet cut yet. Sorry. But that dual cut system on that Honda, makes short work of it!
@@TheGreenerLawn thanks a million for the quick reply i was really hoping the timemaster was as good as the honda as I have alot of lawn I knew honda hrx were good as every second mower in Ireland is honda
will ty I will give more feedback on the gator blades when I use them, if they help the time master with these tasks, but at this point, Honda is the clear winner.
bought the 30 incher today...I wish it had a honda power but it is what it is..Niche mower
👌🏻
Wish I could go back in time to get a Timemaster,they are expensive now.Good video I still might get one.Home Depot has the electric start for $100 cheaper than the non electric start
That’s normally the opposite way on costs so that’s a good deal on that if so. These can be found on the used markets and spring you will see them pop up considerably cheaper, if your not looking for the price of new. Def AWEOME mowers!
Make no mistake the Timemaster is a beast lol I love mine. A few of my friends thought I was crazy for spending so much on a walk behind mower. That was until they saw this beast in person. Now they want one. I will never go back to a smaller mower. Have fun mowing guys and gals 👍
Joey Young how true it is! I give others the chance to use it regularly.... and they love it! It’s worth it for sure! Way to spread the love!
Joey Young i meant to ask, how long have you had it?
The Greener Lawn I’ve only had it a few months. I live in the south so we still have pretty warm weather during the day. Like yesterday it was 80 degrees lol so I still have to do my fall clean up as well as mowing the lawn from time to time. Every-time it rains my grass thinks it’s springtime 😂
Joey Young your lucky to get to have time to use it year around! The slow down is just enough, it sounds, but not to where your jonesing for spring for months!
Sounds like u have had a solid
Few months with it!!!
The Greener Lawn absolutely 👍
Ryan knorr generally uses the side discharge on his time master for it allows a better cut quality
Yup, he ran a test on the difference... that blade is more tailored towards side discharge and bagging. He concluded with that blade it keeps the underside of the deck cleaner!
Toro claims it’s a mulcher (and I do feel it’s good when kept into 1/3 rule), so that is my preference so I tested it that way.
Also which is easier to take in for service, can you lift 130 pounds?
Wayne Essar ... 130 yes... 140..... naw.... lol I have a trailer with a lift gate.... I plan on servicing it myself like I did my Honda...
BUT... VERY VALID POINTS FOR SURE!!
Nothing 2 2x4s can’t fix
Good video, thanks. With there being 2 blades, on on an uneven, bumpy lawn like some of mine, will scalping occur? I live in the Southeast and it's bermuda for the most part. I have an 18 year old Honda 21" now but my yard is big enough for a 30" and I'm getting older by the day ;)
Paul Daunno yes, scalping can still occur, but at a lesser degree. The time masters wheels are larger, so for certain places that smaller wheels dip into, this mower would work better. Also, it works better in areas where the wider deck spans the bumps better (if that makes sense).
BUT for general rolling bumps with high points that are too wide for the wheels to navigate, it will be the same results of scalping.
What height to you mow your Bermuda at?
The Greener Lawn Thanks for the info. I cut it a little longer than I want, maybe 2”, just so I can minimize scalping. I need to do some leveling one of these days ...
Paul Daunno understood... to
Get that real low cut that looks saweet, you really have to do decent leveling.
Connor Ward has great vids on the leveling and so does Brett’s Grascapades. LOTS OF WORK FOR REEL! But it makes a world of difference when done!
Is it a lot of areas or just s few, if it’s a few, you could get away with a couple of bags of sand and doing a light leveling....
excellent review.so far with my experience the timemaster only saves 22-28% of time compared to my commercial mower.although prefer timemaster cut to my 21"exmark because timemaster is more stable.still haven't compared it to my hrx yet but I think time savings would drop to under 20%.but that's my experience.thank you for this excellent review
Rebecca Machado When it comes to time savings.. it really is depending on the person using it. Your correct! And I am so glad I see a range... cause some days, it’s on point, others the other would come closer! So for an hour you would see 47-43 minutes vs 60.... which over a season could be 7 hours plus savings on time in the yard... but it comes down to what you like... and you get three choices... lol how lucky is that?
I am in the same boat this year. Currently have the Honda. Thinking about the 30. I just really need 1 inch cut .
THETURFTAMER solid choice! It will do that 1” your looking for (prob even closer to 3/4” as it runs about 1/4” off). That time savings tho 💯
That grass is gorgeous
Thank you Edwin!
Great review.... I hate using push mowers... but sometimes nothing else fits👍🏻
Paul's Prime Cuts i always knew you were a ride or die, type of guy! Thx brother!
The Greener Lawn oh I have definitely walked a million miles behind one ... I just didn’t want to 😂
And that’s not an exaggeration.... either part.....😂
I bet you send someone else to do that job the next time? 😜
Look at the Y-Bravo 25", comes with a Kawi engine and single blade. Middle weight from the Honda and TM also.
Sounds like a solid middle ground, have you been using it?
I have to say, the part of you struggling up next to the gate was kinda funny.
RVA Lawn Love ... hey.... hey... hey.... none of that..... 😂🤣😂
Much love bro. Much love. Great vid!
RVA Lawn Love was that “mulch” love? Lol thanks brother, even if you revel in my failures! 😜
Thanks!
exactly on point.you are correct
Rebecca Machado thank you!
Hahahaa, open the gate and mow through it. I thought, why would you do that in that small area, that's working harder, not smarter. Good video. I've been contemplating whether or not to bite the bullet for a Timemaster.
I explain at 4:22 , 6:32 , 6:44 exactly why I did that.
4th time: To answer the BIGGEST question I get about this mower: Will it fit on my yard / is it too big for my yard?
I feel that I showed it has the same capabilities as that 21” deck.... pretty darn
Well wouldn’t you say?
Consistency of the stripe pattern.... but normally I stop my pattern right where I pointed it out at... no one ever says anything and now I do “framing” pass and that erases that area up there anyways ..... 48” with a 30” mower ..... I got 18” to “get sideways” in!!
Honestly, come up with the aspects that matter for you, watch the video for those aspects, if I don’t answer it there, ask them here lol
I honestly love my TM with my checkmate striper, it looks BOSS in my yard!
Is there anyway one can hack a Honda mower to cut at 5” ?
GamerGee I bet you could retro fit some larger wheels on the mower. How some mowers run like 10” or 12” wheels, I bet you could try something like that.
Or go past the last hole on height some times gives more height. Those are the two things I can think of with out seeing the actual set up.
What grass type are you wanting to keep up at 5”?
Jeremy, I have some suggestions and comments about your review. When comparing the speed and turnability of the two mowers I think you should have done that on grass rather than in the street because that is where you are actually going to use these mowers and that's the performance that will count to the user. Also, as far as the cut quality comparison I would question the sharpness and/or types of blades used on each mower. In your review, one mower's blade might be quite a bit different than what is on the other mower which, obviously, would make a difference in the results. When was the last time that the mowers' decks were cleaned? If they are dirty decks then that could affect the clipping circulation while in use and, therefore, the cut quality of each mower. These are just some ideas of what might have affected the mower cut quality comparison.
Honestly, the turning doesn’t make any difference in the street vs the grass... reason I chose the street was for the tire marks and all the digging in on my grass...I did the turns in the narrow area in the grass... the street turns were to illustrate how easy they both are to drive with one hand.
I echo a lot of people with the cut quality of the TM... I just saw it first hand for my self.... your correct though, those are huge factors for sure! Honda’s blades were brand new roughly a month before I got the TM, TM has never been sharpened since I popped the box on July 24.... so could have some very good validity!
But different stock blades on each of the mower WAS the point I was trying to make. Honda’s stock blades mulch WAY better then the TM.
As far as a dirty deck.... I wash it after every use, it has the quick clean port.... hook Er to a hose and away she goes!
As always.... Very valid points! Thank you! I look forward to the next round of solid counter points, by Ben! 👍🏻
I mostly bag the fescue up here. The bagging capacity is like three times more than the Honda. Thats why I choose the Toro Timemaster.
joesemo 👍🏻
I had the Honda HRX 217 200 cc motor. It is a great machine. I saw the Timemaster online and it caught my attention. I wanted to save mow time and still get a quality cut. I bought the new 223 cc Timemaster and now my Honda is up for sell. It literally cut my time in half. I love the personal pace system...I mow faster and more relaxed with it, couple that with the bigger deck and it's a 50% time saver for me. I can't tell the difference in the cut quality on grass...seems the same, and would say the Timemaster is better at mulching up fall leaves. I'm impressed by the power of the Timemaster and it's mulching capability. I also love how they designed the handle bars to easily adjust in one second to save space...mush easier to stow than the Honda. I really liked my Honda, but I love the Timemaster.
+Jeff Stewart Yea, it is a beast for sure! It sure does get the job done quick. That personal pace system is a breeze to use! If you never get outside the 1/3 grass rule you wil never see a difference I the cut quality, from my experience. It really goes to work on those leaves for surprise e with 10hp pumping those blades!
You are 💯 spot on with the handle adjustments! It makes storage a breeze!
Thank you for the feedback!
+Jeff Stewart solid! Good review! Can’t argue a word! 👌🏻👌🏻 well worth it on time savings vs a 21” deck Any day! That personal pace is a dream isn’t it?
@@TheGreenerLawn Yes, personal pace is the best. I'm loving the time savings, as you mention the true 17 inch cut vs. 28 inch. I'm really impressed with the mulching ability of the Timemaster. I was worried about that having the Honda with the dual blade cut and 200cc motor for mulching, but honestly and surprisingly I can't tell the difference, and actually much prefer the wider stripes the Toro leaves. I really liked my Honda, but so far I love the Toro Timemaster.
Jeff Stewart 💯 % the only time I ever see an issue with cut quality is when I get past cutting 1/3 of the blade.. other then that, it’s a beast!
Hi Jeremy! I have been tempted to get the TimeMaster for a couple of years now. I mow about 12K sq ft of cool season turf. At peak growth rates I can be cutting it every 2 or 3 days. Currently I use a Honda HRX21, an extremely well designed machine that has never given me a moment of trouble. However, the maximum height I can adjust to is ~ 3.5 inches. I would really prefer to cut @ 4 - 4.5 inches... The Honda cut quality is excellent as you say.
Your video gave me pause. I have seen Allen Hanes' TimeMaster leave spurious blades of grass uncut on his videos. This is something I try hard to avoid. And the tendency to leave clumps of grass un-mulched also concerns me. You've given me some concening (and therefore valuable) things to think about. Do I want to spend $1K to get a wider inferior cut?
+ErleZeker thanks ErleZeker for The watch and comment!
I like to help others make an informed decision. It seems as if I gave u good
Info.
I will be redoing a few of these tests with the TM and another mower here in the near future. I am going to sharpen the blades on the TM to see if it helps... I hear from people it does. Second thing i did want to point out... the Straggler blades were nowhere as noticeable with staying in the 1/3 rule. Also, clumping wasn’t an issue if not cutting more then 1/3 and/or letting it run for longer then 1 second in long grass. Both of these were exaggerated for the audience to see... but they can repeate the results doing the same. So those possibilities are very real!
Feel free to ask questions, I enjoy assisting!
@@TheGreenerLawn Well, I did get a TimeMaster. Added the Checkmate striper. I'm happy that I got it. I am quicker to complete a mow and the cut quality is good. Not as good as the Honda HRX VKA was, but it is definitely good. I may experiment with different blades to see if I can improve the cut a little. And before anyone asks, yes - I sharpen the blades every other week. Thanks again Jeremy, this is a terrific mower!
ErleZeker lol every other week, sounds like a certain lawn care nut I know.... LCN...
Glad you like it! It really is nice to have the power and just knock it out quick on time!! How’s the striping?
I just traded in my 7 month old HRX217 for a 2019 Timemaster. The Only thing the Honda has on the Toro is the plastic deck. The Toro cuts better, starts easier and the Personal Pace is miles better than Honda’s hydro. The thing that really soured me on the Honda was after less than one half season the left side of the mower handle was rusting and paint peeling around the welds from perspiration. Fortunately my Toro dealer gave me a fair price and the Hondog is gone.
+Kirk Dog thanks for sharing, those are all super solid points! I would d
Get your frustration if my Honda did that too!! The timemaster is a beast and glad she’s coming through for you!!
Thumbs up on the TimeMaster, I have 25 hours on mine and it is a great machine. The under deck stays very clean and I do wash it out after each use. I did install an hour meter on it. I keep the blades sharp with a Work Sharp sharpener. On my lawn, I do not get any tall miss cut blades of grass nor do I get any end of cut debris. In fact, my mulch is pretty much non existent at all other than on or near walks and driveways where I see the very fine mulch debris which is about 1/4” inch. The power or torque of the TimeMaster engine and the blade speed and sharpness have a lot to do with mulching success as well as grass dryness. I have recently mulched some nut tree leaves and frankly I could not fine any particles.... totally amazing. I have not used the TimeMaster rear bagger yet nor the side discharge but plan to do so in the Fall during leaf season. Would I buy it again? Yes. I cut 15,000 Sq Feet of lawn and it really saves time and the results are impressive as is the Personal Pace system.
ArtInCT g Well said!
What grass type do you have?
How tall do you keep it?
How often between cuts?
How thick is your lawn?
I know it’s an amazing mower, but I would love to know how to get it to that level of amazing on it’s cut.
I would love to see your turf, 😁
JeremyofTheGreenerLawn@gmail.com
My lawn is very thick and established Zoysia. It feels like a sponge carpet. However under trees in the shade where the zoysia will not grow I have Kentucky Blue and Fescue mix. The lawn is kept about 3” after the cut in the Summer and perhaps 1/2” shorter in the Fall as it begins to go dormant. I cut about once every 5 days. I have used Malorganite for about 25 years now. Recently over the last three years I have applied Humic Acid in a granular mix by Solu-Cal.
ArtInCT g I’ve got the time master and thick zoysia as well. It gives a golf course cut every time. What hour meter did you get? The one from toro was discontinued I was told.
Ortho Doc: I purchased mine from Amazon, there are a few TH-cam videos which show how to install it. It is pretty easy... here is the link to the one that I purchased, I received it in two days....www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXRVEAC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I am glad that your TimeMaster is also giving you a great cut. Have you rear bagged or side discharged yet? When leaf season hits, I will be doing rear bagging as I do not like to have oak leaves mulched into the lawn. Hope this helps, BTW the hour meter comes in a few colors. I chose yellow. I also became aware that there may be a version that also shows RPM of the engine as well as hours, If I knew about that version then that is the one I would get... do a search on Amazon, maybe you can find it.... Cheers, Art
Ortho Doc I just order the Toro Puc from Home Depot for my Timemaster it was $19.99
Great Jeremy. I own both too with the only difference my Honda has an electric start. I own my own lawn care service and I use the Toro Timemaster as my primary mower except for a couple of customers whose back gates are too narrow for my Toro. Although I really love my Honda I've had the same problem with it and my last Honda mower too. When you pull it back the wheels lock up at times not always. And because of that alone my 30 inch Toro handles a lot easier and much better than my Honda. I'm actually considering a commercial Honda for about $1300 or so.
Xavier Sepeda both have their time and their place for sure! The timemaster when u keep within appropriate 1/3 rule cutting is a solid all around mower! I love mine... the Honda, it was a little beast... I’m in full agreeable with you 👍🏻
I’m having the same problem with my Honda 21 and it’s fking up my customers yards and mine for that matter and I’m ready to put some c4 under it it’s pissing me off
Billy Smith have you reached out to Honda to ask?
Rear wheels locking on Honda's is fairly common. Several good videos on web as how to fix this issue
I bought the Honda hrr216vka 4/23/19 brand new from home depot i used it 4/24/19. I have TTTF and in full mulch mode it leaves a strip of grass in the shady areas of my lawn which resembles a mohawk and yes I'm overlapping properly. Called honda and they know about the issue its only with certain grass types and lengths, so they are going to send my ultimate blades for free to see if it helps, they told me the hrx217 s however do not have this issue at all.
johnny walker love it, thanks for sharing this info! As cool of a fad MOhawks were 🙄... when I MOW I don’t need the hawk .... no thanks on the MOWhawk 👍🏻 solid info pass!
Im torn between the toro super recycler or honda hrx217vka.
Johnnel White both solid mowers for sure! Between those two, I would say your biggest difference is going to be easier of use of the personal pace system of the recycler, vs the Superior cut of the Honda. It’s all in the style of what you choose to mow. If your super into ease of use, I’d go with the recycler, but
If you want a crisp cut that Honda would be your model!
@@TheGreenerLawn ill keep that in mind. I like the toro cause super mulching and i like the honda for the 200cc engine.
Great review Jeremy ! I just bought mine and only have 2 mows under my belt but I am loving it. It's effortless to use despite the size. I do agree with you on the cut quality. I'm experiencing the same random blades of long grass being missed. Great vid and love the shirt.
Scott O'Hare You get what I mean by even though it’s bigger, it turns so effortlessly! I wonder if we sharpen the blades or try different blades...
In the comment from + Greg Kohls Jr. , he states that it doesn’t do that with the bag on.... could try that!
Yeah, Ben Sims of Lawn Tips and DoMyOwn Both rock!
In my experiences, those missed grass blades are what I call the Toro trademark, lol. Seriously, i have owned many Toro 22" mowers and they all have left those grass blades sticking up. I tried switching to Gator blades, but that did nothing.
Quality cut is a value hands down
100%
Really wish the honda would allow for a longer mow height. I love KBG at 4", the color at 6" is golden too hahaha.
Looks ever better at 5/8" ;)
Lol slightly glowing green at 6”... min allegedly was suppose to achieve 4” but when measured it was 3.5” on par of what I’m running it at w/ the timemaster!
Ain't nobody got time fo dat 😉
looks like a smooth criminal at 3.5"
@@pestandlawnginja it's only a little time. But totally worth it.
You look like austin powers making a uturn in that corner :)
Yeah baby, yea! 😂🤣😂
I had this same Honda only with blade stop before switching to the TimeMaster. I’m glad I did, but I really wish Honda made a bigger push mower. The Honda just seems like it’s built better. Honda always started with just one pull and never had any rattling noises. Can’t say the same for the TimeMaster and I haven’t even owned it a full year.
Interesting... what do you feel is the issue causing the rattling? Which model of TM? I can attest, the Honda is super solid!!
I’m thinking it’s from pull chord. Noise appears to come from top of engine.
C House interesting.... I will keep a
Close eye on mine for that... thanks for the heads up!
Honda makes great mowers, and so does Toro.. I just wish Honda would finally come out with a larger mower instead of just the dinky 21".. Maybe a 25" or even better a 30" or 32" mower to compete with the larger Toro's and Ferris (FW15 - 32" deck).. A lot of people would gladly pay a little more for a larger mower - just to get the lawn mowed quicker!!
💯 nailed it! You are so correct! Honda has a very sweet cut but when you are cutting so little off at a time... it becomes very tedious!
I also wish honda would make a 30" mower.Can't understand why they dont want to compete with ferris or the new scag 30".
@@estebanavila2217 I agree Esteban.. You are a very smart young man.. I hope Honda reads our comments and comes out with a larger mower.
My old Honda (same model as yours) at 3" or mow left an annoying strip of uncut grass about 1-2" wide left of center. Drove me nuts.
Robert Sanden ...... that’s crazy to me.... Did u ever try a different blade, not the oem one? Sometimes, machines develop their own quarks..... and it’s things we have to “deal with”..... one way or another...🤨
Did u ever figure it out?
@@TheGreenerLawn I fixed it by buying a Toro Timemaster. 😁
@@TheGreenerLawn oh yeah I sharpened blades and have two sets of OEM blades and no matter what it did it. I am not a big fan of aftermarket blades. Kinda OCD like that. Unfortunately.
Robert Sanden good move with the TM... I wouldn’t of changed the Honda’s blades either... but this TM has a long blade issue that I want to address.... I’m going to try to sharpen the blades first b4 I buy new blades, but somethings gotta give so there aren’t so many long blades! Lol
I'd love to get a TM for my bigger lot, but cut quality matters most to me than saving time. Grass not mulched back into the yard drives me nuts. Thanks for the video.
1975oldschool ... understood!! And I get it! But , if the 1/3 rule is followed I never see any issues with clumped grass... and I am currently researching blades I want to use next year.
Thanks for the comment!
The Greener Lawn will be watching/following for any reviews on blades for the TM. Thanks!
1975oldschool my blades are getting dull... so I will get some blades and see what I feel... and let you guys know at the beginning of the year...
How do they climb hills?
Rice Yadnap they do pretty well, considering it’s a rear wheel drive. 👌🏻
I've heard the timemaster has insane side discharge. I'm picking one up this month. I plan to mostly side discharge. Sick of small 21' mowers. Time is money lol.
Lithium Man it’s true! If each min is X amount of $ , for each that you save, you can dedicate it to the next lawn/project!
I have heard the same, but have never tried it myself. I really do believe the stock blades are better suited over all to a bag/side discharge.... that’s the Reason I plan on trying other blades next season. Those blades should fit your needs well!
@@TheGreenerLawn Thanks!
@Lithium Man Are you planing on running it as your primary mower next year in your yard and clients? If so, my recommendation would be have full gas cans on hand, if kinda guzzles gas.... it runs out of gas around 94%-110% of my 8000sqft... depends on grass height / overlap....
You plan on having two mowers, or this one solely?
Well Jman, you have seen my Honda with the TGL sticker on the front.
So I have to go with the Honda-
MatthewinGA rockin that hood Ornament, it wins hands-down. No arguments there.
Are those jets off in a distance taking off?
Yup, it’s an air force base prob F16 or F35’s.
@@TheGreenerLawn wow right next to a military base huh?
@@elizook2016 technically about 15 miles south of it, but def in its south flight path.
Which mower should I buy for the money? Although I do want a mower with a 30 inch cutting deck but which mower is better?
sorry I didn't see the reply.. What is the things your looking for from a mower?
What’s a good price for a used 2017 timemaster?
Luke Bard $400-600 is what I’d pay. But I grabbed mine new for $650 off a Craig’s list type of set up www.ksl.com classifieds.
Wow brand new?
The Greener Lawn there is one on Craigslist for 650 in excellent condition. I have the recycler and am happy so not sure if the timemaster is worth the money
Luke Bard yes brand new, I even got to do an unboxing with it:
Toro TimeMaster Unboxing/Explanation-Be a Master of YOUR Lawn Time th-cam.com/video/RZSvmlTu2L4/w-d-xo.html
so weight your options. What do you value? If you value time savings and good wide stripe patterns, this will do that. If time savings and width aren’t your thing, then your recycler will have the personal pace system (amazing system) and similar cut quality! At that point I’d save your money!
Luke Bard $650 for a 17 is a good deal still... higher end of course but not bad.
which is stronger honda or timemaster
Roberto Coscatl Hands down the timemaster. But it has to push two blades. They are both appropriately powered for their size.
This is amazing. I just bought the same timemaster mower and I have the same Honda lawnmower you do except for my Honda is the 2018 model which the only difference was they slightly re-designed the looks and the deck is gray instead of silver. I absolutely love the timemaster! I have a larger yard and I did not want a riding lawnmower because they are too much to take care of as far as maintenance. The timemaster is like having a riding lawn mower without riding it.
UhBuddy heck ya! You get it! Lots of love for both of them, but that TimeMaster gives you back time! I just took out some of the work for the comparisons! 👍🏻 let me know how it works out for ya!!
Good video. Unfortunately this is like comparing a Ford F-250 King Ranch to a Toyota Tacoma. Size, features and price point are too dissimilar.
Thanks for the good vid comment! It was fun to play with two different mowers.
Kinda the point... most people are stepping up from the smaller version, because they see value in the larger one... but if it doesn’t make sense for that they are looking for, they should stick with the smaller one at the point. ****They by no means are in the same ball park... **** I would hope, people aren’t in a huge market to switch = for equal. I don’t mean this to come off rude, and if it does it’s not meant that way.
I’d take the F-250 .... but I’m a ford guy 😋
I can get my hands on some mowers more in line of the TimeMaster, would that be a video your interested in seeing?
And yet here I am deciding between a 21" Honda and the Timemaster.
Where can I get your striper kit?
caseytheray big league stripers
i enjoy your videos but they are not that loud on my computer. Have you thought about getting a microphone for your shirt or somewhere close to you
Brad M ....yes, I apologize... I know... I have Made some big purchases lately, so the mic I want Rode MicMe-L or Shure MV-88... has to wait a little longer... but I’ve been talking to other creators about this and I promise it’s a high priority to me!
Thanks for the support, even with poor audio!
which is stronger
Hands down the timemaster. But it has to push two blades. They are both appropriately powered for their size.
CubCadet: Do you plan on evaluating the wide cut Cub Cadet?
siucbset Hey there, I don’t have a budget for this, so I can compare any mowers I get my hands on. I don’t believe I know anyone with this machine. I can double check, but I doubt it. If anyone wants to let me use there machine for a couple of weeks in northern Utah, I would be glad to do it!
I have a 2010 wide area cub cadet. The lower model that year with the 10 HP Briggs. Home Depot floor model ran me around 900. I have a 22 Toro personal pace as a trim mower. I cut about an acre. The Cub has been very good. A lot of cables braking early on but they redesigned them and I don't think I've replace one in the last 5 years. The cut quality is not as good as the small Toro. I bought the bragging system for those time when the grass is growing to fast for mulching (side discharge) so I usually bag in the spring and late fall. The Briggs 10 HP has been awesome - no problems and zips through high grass that would choke the small Toro. I'm right around 200 hours. I've always been a Toro guy and wonder what I'll do when it comes time for a new one.
Seems kinda strange to put a striping kit on while comparing the mowers.
These are both my personal mowers that I I used in my lawn. I decided to review them against each other after using both of them for a period of time. They were on these respective mowers from the times I got them. This isn’t a review for a company, this is my own personal review. I’m not going to remove something from my mowers during this because it’s how I’ve used them.
Yeow bro , your tight spot is all wrong for commercial applications. We would leave the gate open n reduce all of those unnecessary turns.
If ya do two border passes then do your up n down lanes will be wo a flaw .
I use the personal pace and they are great. I also have a Gravely 36 w a 15 hp Kawasaki n she is a solid beast. For speed and tough jobs ,I'll use the Gravely but for detailed cuts I use the Toro.
I do have an older Canadian built MTD that mows n mulches better then a Toro but it's not as fast as the Toro . The MTD also has caster wheels n that's great but unlike the Toro ya can't raise the bars for storage.
Your grass looks good.
I've done a lot of mowing w residential and commercial w big apts where time is paramount to make money .
Eddie Reyna Hey Eddie, that part was to answer a question that I get quite often, “Will the timemaster fit in my yard?” I was showing the maneuverability in tight spaces, explaining that as king as you can clear the 30” deck it will fit!
The way u explain opening the gate, doing trim passes is how I actually mow it.
I've had several different toro products over the years . The last one was a 2002 , and worked better than honda that was half the age of toro . Plus it was alot easier to work on & service over the years.
Solid testimonial! 💯
What kind of grass do you have?
Hey jtrevino, I have Kentucky Blue Grass, 4 four strain monoculture
Beautiful lawn man, I live in Dallas and I'm ready for this winter rye that I seeded starts dying once this heat starts coming in. I have a bermuda lawn so I've been enjoying striping this rye grass over this winter time. Anyways, thank you so much for replying.
jtrevino12345 not a prob, I’d love to see what your working with, if you want to send pics 🤘🏻 JeremyofTheGreenerLawn@gmail.com
That’s the advantages of have it warm season temps, you can grow grass year round lol
Very true! I'll definitely send some your way. 👍
Look at you rocking all your TH-cam lawn creator gear! Someone should send you a sticker for your mower or something....lmao
I want to do a sticker wall in my garage this fall... I’m not a bumper sticker type of guy.... but a wall decor guy, I will be!
The Greener Lawn like I told you, do whatever you want with it, it’s what it stands for that’s important
🔥starter?
Lol it’s in a stack with LCN, lawncology, N-ext stickers... so it’s in great company right now
Ouch!
RVA Lawn Love I know how to do it with out burning my self, it’s ok! Thanks for the concern 🤣
Buy a set of high lift blades for it for the cut quality issues. It has gator style blades that don't create as good of a vacuum.
I put actual gator blades on it, and they are doing way better now. The blades that come on it are great at side discharge and bagging. I agree an better set of blades have made a big difference for the timemaster
It's funny I' have the same honda and I'm getting the toro tomorrow .The honda is a good mower though .
It, for a homeowner with a slightly larger lawn, makes sense to look at going from the smaller honda to the larger 30” deck of the timemaster!
Jeremy can you provide more info on the stripper system roller you have for the time master?
Hayden,
Sure not a problem. Here are two videos about both of them. If you want direct info you can ask here or email me at JeremyofTheGreenerLawn@gmail.com
BigLeague Lawns | Checkmate Lawn Striper | Toro TimeMaster
th-cam.com/video/jrX0ddZHUWI/w-d-xo.html
Lawn Striping - BigLeague Lawns Checkmate Kit Unbox Install
th-cam.com/video/P_spAaT1Q8s/w-d-xo.html
I have the Toro Timemaster and I changed to Gator Blades and this system works great.
Ron Matthews I’ve heard good stuff about them for sure!
Timemaster comes stock with gator style blades anyway
Darryl Ore negative. I just got some and there’s a huge difference. I’ll send you pics if you would like @ JeremyofTheGreenerLawn@gmail.com
Timemaster is my choice as well. Great video! Your an excellent editor!
Lawn Care Little Guy funny fact, the way I found you brother, was I was making this video and I was looking for inspiration for different tests and ideas... you were quite a bit of that, thanks a lot!!
I’ve got the same Honda. I hate the mower. I’m 65, cut grass for spending money as a kid and worked as a greens keeper on a golf course as a young man (we used Jacobsen mowers on the golf course) and have been doing my own lawn care for my entire life. I’ve owned many mowers - mostly Craftsman because I had a Sears close to me and they had a repair shop in case there were issues. Back in the day, it was hard to beat Sears. They gave me a brand new mower once because I was having issues with my current Craftsman. When Sears went away, I splurged and bought the Honda. Anyway, I say all that to say, I’m not without experience when it comes to lawnmowers and mowing, and the Honda has been one of the worst I’ve owned. Honda’s, in an effort to reduce gas usage and reduce emissions, have a very sensitive carburetor. In all my years, I’ve never had to replace a carb on a mower. When I was a kid, we pushed an old lawn mower around the neighborhood, cut grass all day, and pushed in the utility room and forgot about it until we pulled it out and did it again. I’ve had to replace my Honda’s carb after the first year. No, the carb is not covered under the warranty, and you better turn off the gas and let it run until it dies or you’ll be paying $150 - $300 to replace a carb on a brand new mower as I did. No, I didn’t let it sit for a long period. I live in Northwest Florida and my growing season is 9 months out of the year. I really dislike the rear wheel drive on the Honda. The transmission doesn’t always disengage and you are constantly fighting it to pull it back. Once the wheels get just a little wear, they spin and you lose the “self-propelled,” aspect and it becomes just a heavy push mower. The small wheels on the Honda are not suited to anything but a perfectly level lawn. Mine is not, so the cut is very bad. A mower with larger rear wheels is more suited to an uneven lawn. A front wheel drive is disengaged by simply lifting the front wheels. That’s impossible with a rear wheel drive.
Ooof sorry to hear this Rich! I just know this mower I have is a 2011 model, and I was not the first owner... for my family it’s been a champ, as my 80 year old grandma has it at her house ( not used by her), to mow a 3% grade hill.
Not discrediting your experience at all. I get not every thing is built for everyone. This is very true, it just sucks when you put 300-500 into one and then have to keep putting more into issues and repairs.. oof
I understand the wheel issue, it’s happening to my grandmas as we speak on the hill as the wheels are worn, they have a hard time on that grade. I haven’t looked to see how much they are to fix... as my young 18 year old cousin mows it for them, and he’s you and Nimble still lol.
I am sorry you didn’t like your experience with your mower. Thank you for sharing for others to see!
@@TheGreenerLawn I think mine’s about 5 years old now. I guess my expectations were too high for the Honda. Every review I read, raved about it and my son and a friend of mine had one that they really liked. I thought it would be a big step up from my relatively cheap Craftsman mowers. Unfortunately, mine did not live up to my expectations either in terms of quality or performance. I will never buy another Honda nor a rear wheel drive. This was the first rear wheel drive I had ever owned, and I’m sure for most, that’s ok, but I much prefer the ease of use of a front wheel drive. Thanks for your review. I was considering the Toro but I think I’ll just find a good front wheel drive as I can’t justify the additional $600 to $700.
@@bigrich6750 Glad I can help you in your quest! Sorry your journey continues!
Toro - how mutch horst power?
Sonniges Wetter when it comes to load on an engine (like cutting grass, a blade with resistance on grass blades), torque is what your looking for to push it through, not horse power.
Here is Toro’s response to this:
“With engines in walk-behind lawn mowers, we use gross torque ratings to measure the engine’s power rather than horsepower. Gross Torque is the immediate twisting force required to turn a blade at a given moment. Thus, torque is the way to measure the rotational force a machine can produce which is exactly what a walk behind mower does as it cuts grass. The gross torque for this mower is 10 ft.-lb.”
Where are they made?
Honda manufactures approximately 500 thousand lawnmowers per year in the United States, France, Australia, China and Italy *1, and supplies them to Australia, China and other countries in addition to the two largest markets: North America and Europe.
Toro- USA
Thanks for the reply! I thought Toro had sent some manufacturing overseas like John Deere. I’m due to replace a 18 year old Toro Recycler and I’d refer to spend my Trump bucks on a US made mower.
Warren Stemphly nothing that I could find on, doesn’t mean parts aren’t sourced from over seas but majority of it looks to be USA based.
Do you take into account the fact that your Toro will be in the shop approximately 2 weeks out of every month? This is a lot of down time... the Honda will need to be in the shop once a year simply for maintenance purposes.
I was not bias either way.... and if something that has a 3 year warrenty IS in the shop 2 weeks EVERY month... Houston... Toro will have an issue on their hands.... cause I’ll be causing a a stir...
Let us assume your correct, wouldn’t that cause a PR nightmare for Toro? Wouldn’t we all know about it?
Maybe slightly exaggerated?
All seriousness, we do know the longevity of the Honda, and mention it several times...
Good point even though it’s over exaggerated! 👍🏻
Dont own a toro but like the large cut width but do own a Honda 21 cut quality is important to me
Andrea Bond puts you in the middle a little there. This would boil down to:
Q- How often do you cut?
A- if you don’t let it get above 1/3 of the length before cutting, you will never notice a cut quality issue out of the toro. If you do mow infrequent and it gets long, the Honda will be the better choice by far. I did get two cuts in last season with a gator blade in my time master... but I have no weigh in yet. More to come this season on that.
Q- How big is your property you will be mowing?
Im a gardener 6 days a week i love a neat job for my customers
Andrea Bond ahh got ya! I know what u mean by I love a solid cut then! Look into the turf master. It’s a better cut and bigger gas tank for commercial use!
No comparison with a 30 and 21. Your talking 9 in. What are you thinking?
LOTS of comparison here. Most people are stepping up from the smaller version, because they see value in the larger one... that is what this is about, does it make sense to go
From a smaller mower on your yard to a bigger one, but if it doesn’t make sense for that they are looking for, they should stick with the smaller one at the point. ****They by no means are in the same ball park... OR platform.... NOT WHAT THIS VIDEOS ABOUT **** I would hope, people aren’t in a huge market to switch = for equal.
It is said a few times in this video, is it worth stepping up to a larger mower, here is how to weigh it out.
Nice shirt brother 😉😉
Lawn Tips everything else was dirty...... 😏
Much respect brother!
Yeah man I sure would like a fancy shirt like that but I bet I'd need more than 80 subs... 🤔🤔🤔
Brett's grasscapades haha, Jeremy bought the shirt with his own cash moneys
@@LawnTips I didn't know you had swag man! Were can I get some ??
Lol see Brett... I normally need to buy my friends..... somehow I got You for free...
I support those who I respect and I’ve wanted to rock this shirt well B4 he even had them available (I bugged him a lot about it)! 😜
I got a quick shot of your Toro blades. These are not effective mulching blades. I changed
out my Toro 21” stock blades for Gator blades. Huge difference. Toro should put better mulching blades on new machines. I don’t know if you can get 15” Gator blades, if they are available, get them.
Al Gorel 100%
@@TheGreenerLawn who
Yes I also changed to Gator Blades on my Timemaster and this system works great.
I didn't see anything cut ....are you sure you had your blades engaged...
Not quite sure I understand. These were all tests performed live via video. The only one that was “cut performance was at 10:19 “
I wish Honda would take over Snappers patented deck Hi Vac.
Wouldn’t be a bad move at all! With their cut quality and their suction, leathal combo!
@@TheGreenerLawn yes sir 😁
The current Timemaster has a 223 CC Briggs engine. There is not a single Honda 21 inch mower that touches the Toro TM 30 inch mower.
D K 👌🏻
D K Honda mowers are elite. When Honda comes out with a 30” mower it over for every other company.
Alexander Raykhert this isn’t new tech. This TimeMaster has been out for years. I don’t think Honda is worried about this market.
Timemaster for faster cut but honda for perfection cut
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seems to me this time master may be just as fast as a 36 zero turn at knocking out lawns...since it can go anywhere even narrow gates...
roadstar499 close, but on a zero turn you can keep constant higher speeds because you don’t have to have leg fatigue. But you could be close to correct
Hi roadstar. I use the Timemaster and a Gravely 36" Standon Zero Turn. The 36'' is faster than the Timesmaster, but weighs 500 lbs. more and can really create some divots in wet lawns. I am constantly going back and forth between the two mowers lawns for my accounts - depending on grass conditions and whether I need to bag or not. If you can afford to buy both the Timemaster and a 36" Stand On - then do it. I also have a 52" Gravely 252 for the bigger half acre and larger lawns.
joesemo 👆🏻Solid answer!
Why can't Honda come out with a dual blade 28"-30" to compete with Timemaster?
DR Mower and Cub Cadet are no competition for TM. We need another player in the wide area walk behind for those of us with half acre but do not want a rider, just yet!
I mean, I’m game!
I wish about 5 other companies would come out with a 30-32 push.