I bought a 2006 997 Carrera manual two months ago from a Porsche specialist (was his personal car)everything done and full Porsche history.Paid 25k and is the best thing I've done,have wanted one since I was 5 and after losing my mum a few months ago and being diagnosed with cancer,decided life's too short and bought her
It's like any financial decision,if you can afford it go for it but the best advice I was given was whichever Porsche you go for make sure you have £10,000 SPARE in an account for all of its Bill's as even a small bill is in the late hundreds. I'm speaking from experience
It sounds like a 996 is the one you want, therefore get the 911 rather than a Boxster. If you do choose to push the boat out and get an early 997, get a boroscope check done as part of the inspection. Other than that, I would recommend getting one with a ton of history that has been loved, over mileage considerations. Ultimately it’s all a roll of the dice as to whether it’ll cost in maintenance, but it’s a fun dice to be rolling! Good luck! 🙂
Owned 9 Porsches, worked my way up to a 911, sod that, just go and buy the car you want, you will get there anyway. Owned 2 996 C4S, also 4 997 C4S, one of which I owned and bought back 3 times. I love the anonymity of Porsches, not just the 911’s these cars, a really easy car to live with. Mileage is not an indication condition, get the newest, highest mileage, you will get a better car, they need to be used, not sat in a garage. Only use E5 Super, by Shell BP etc, never supermarket fuel, they need the additives. Always used mine as my daily
I got into Porsche ownership 4 years ago, and I’m well above 30. Got the cayman 987 first, and passed that onto my son and he is 30 years old, and up graded to a Boxster 981. Each time I thought that will be my last and forever car. I think it’s great to have a Porsche journey and you appreciate each step. However I have no major desire to own a 911. Good luck on your choice and it will be exciting whatever you choose
I pulled the trigger years ago on what was once my dream car... a Honda s2000. Enjoyed it for years then I did it all over again with a Nissan GTR in 2009. Enjoyed it again for years, then I finally got a 2006 987.1 Cayman S after carefully studying it and it's "issues". Overblown, but not untrue. It can certainly happen even after your borescope shows no issues. I have spent years collecting research on this and studying my own car... which is still original and still flawless at 60k miles. You are at the mercy of the hidden history of the car so its a bit like gambling. If the car passes its PPI WITH a full clean borescope and it shows that it has been DRIVEN and not a garage queen it is probably worth the risk. Most of the scoring is due to revving a garage queen when cold in combination with factory flaws and possibly leaking fuel injectors. Scoring happens because of a momentary lack of oil in a running engine. Anything that dilutes or washes away the oil at just the wrong time is always the cause. Dripping fuel is not a lubricant but it can happen because of the unique design of these engines. In my case, I replaced the injectors, coil pack, spark plugs, changed to Driven DT40 oil, changed the water pump and the air-oil separator (AOS). Your oil quality, injectors and AOS in combination with the care you take to warm the car up by DRIVING not IDLING are the best things you can do to keep a 987.1 S on the road. Never idle your car to warm it up, just get in and drive but keep the revs under 3k for about 10-15 minutes. If you have a slightly bigger budget, go for a 987.2 which was designed to eliminate these worries. You can also play it safe with a base cayman 987.1 but "safe" has never been my approach with my passions. I actually love to drive my 987.1 Cayman S just as much as my 991.2 Turbo S. This one is nowhere near the budget you are talking about but I want to stress that mid-engine manual with hydraulic steering is a feeling I will NEVER give up. Look for circa 2005 - 2009 reviews on youtube of the original Cayman. Tiff Needell on 5th Gear and the original Stig lap on Top Gear can be found on here. It was and is considered one of the best driving machines ever made. Do it and never look back. You only have your one life. Go out with a smile on your face.
Hi Lucy I seen your first drive of the C4S about 2 months ago when I was looking myself as a silver C4S was for sale on a street near me (yes I know I couldnt believe my luck). I paid £18k for it and it has been completely rebuilt by a specialist called Performance Porsche. it hasnt missed a beat and just brings a smile to my face every time look at it. Buy from a specialist or from an enthusiast like I did. He had a 5 Porsche collection that he was just thinning out and I got an absolute Jem. Good luck, it took me till 40 to realise my dream. Just go to the end of your vid and seen that most of those cars are the same cars that have been on the trader for about 4 months so make sure your aggressive with your negotiations. Its a buyers market!!
I’ve just bought my first Porsche, a base 2.9 987.2 Boxster in Guards Red with 29,000 miles on the clock and full Porsche history. No IMS bearing on this model and bore score is virtually unheard off with this variant. I’m absolutely loving ownership, the sooner you buy one the better, you’ll love it 😀
I have a cayman 2.7 987.1 2007 and I just love it. I've had it 2 years now and I think its a good starting point for you to start on your porsche journey.
I’ve just gone down this path. You can get a 997 c2 Carrera coupe for less than 20 grand. I was umming over one at 18. Make sure it’s under 55 reg for cheap road tax
987 Boxster/Cayman is the sweet spot if you're on a budget. That's where I landed with a Cayman S. The mid-engine cars don't have the prestige of the 911, so they sell for less, but those in the know admit that they are better balanced and drive better than an equivalent generation/spec 911.
I've can't recommend the 981 Cayman or Cayman S enough. Naturally aspirated, powerful enough for the UK roads, much cheaper to run and maintain than a 911 and still modern enough as it came alongside the 991.1 991 in 2012. Whatever you do, don't try my experiment of getting a cheap 996... not worth it! 🤣
@@mattsmith6514 the 996 on my channel was £8,500 so that's my level of cheap 🤣 I appreciate you can definitely have a lot of fun and little problems with a 996 if you spend a bit more north of that 👍
I would agree with this, However if you insist on a 911, I would rather have an early 997 however it must be registered before March 2005 as then you would be paying £415 car tax rather than £710 an amount that can go towards servicing. If you g for a Cayman (my preference) go for a 2010/11 as earlier ones have higher ved
To ask people what you should go for is like asking everybody which model is their own favorite. It's always going to be different depending on who you ask. To me it sounds like you have to decide between if you are buying with channel content in mind or if it is more like a dream of yours. The answer to that question will help you decide which way to go
I have had 2 996 and 2 997 , both lovely cars, bore score is the bank account killer so be careful. The car I run now is a Golf GTI Clubsport MK7 and you won’t want to hear this but they are faster and put a bigger smile on your face. Good luck , buy what you want.
The ims bearing is overhyped, its not a common failure, although it is peace of mind if one has been changed. Bore score is also not that common in the boxster 986 and 996 911, it is more of an issue with the 997. If you have your heart set on the c4s, I'd go for that. It is better looking and will hold its value more, hence the higher price now. Enjoy the channel BTW 😊
Hi Lucy. You talked about how great the Boxster is, but talked about not wanting one because it’s a convertible. …and never mentioned the Cayman. I’ve owned a lot of cars and one of them was a 2005 Cayman S. It was brilliant. I’d recommend one in a heartbeat
Ok, so if you start with a 996 carrera 4s you still have 997 gen 1 and 2, 991 gen 1&2, 992 gen 1&2. You also have gt cars and turbos. So if you start with 911, you’ve still got plenty of generations to go through. There is also, as you say, bossier - and don’t forget the cayman. Your 20 grand budget could go further with them. I think 996 is good starting point.
Hi Lucy, go for a 997, newer than a 996, and the 3 of you can go out in it together, if you buy a Boxter there will always be days when the three of you want to go out in it, but the Boxter only has two seats.
Buy one that has had the big jobs done, such as brake pipes, air con condensers and a suspension refresh etc. they can all add a chunky number to the ongoing costs. My 996 c4 had 9 owners when I bought it and a good history. They’re all old cars so buy one that looks like it’s been looked after. Advantage of buying from a private seller is that you can get a gut feel about how it will have been treated as well.
10/10 I dont think youre making a mistake. If you cross every I and dott every T before buying, its a dream come true! Enjoy. This is the only 911 accessible to us 20 somethings in the last 10 ish years... I also bought a 996 and am in my 20s. I daily drive it now. Its a dream come true! You will need to do some DIY wrenching, but if you find a good shop, and know how much parts cost, and have some friends, youre set. Finally, dont get a cayman. Now, if you wanted a cayman, get one. But if you want a 911, get a 911. You would look at the cayman and see the shadow of the car you actually wanted. At worse you can buy the 911, like it but its a bit expensive, sell it, get a cayman knowing full well youve "been there, done that"! Most ppl who have a boxster or cayman also had a 911 once and dont need the thrill... Me meanwhile will always drive 911s. They are a perfect daily. If I am going to commute to work, I will do so in something that makes every mile fun! :D
Speaking as someone who got my dream car at 27 aswell! If your heart is set on a 996 4s. Then nothing will ever come close. It will almost feel like your putting yourself off for a reason. Life's too short, go for it! I will also say from the channel story point of view. You will never run out of stories with your dream car because you constantly think of things to involve the car!
Had a 987 boxster, 981s boxster, and now a 996turbo. Recommend buying from a dealer. Have you tried ‘a friends green Porsche’ - usually have a good selection of the type of car you’re looking for
On a serious note from a garage service point of view as many years ago I worked in garage on all makes. Before purchasing any model, check for what issue's they are known, prices of parts and get yourself a Haynes repair manual. Thank you, Lucy for dumping your brain on us subscriber's.
I like the Carrera 2 (996) the C4S (996) or any of the 997 variations. Boxters are fun, but I wouldn’t want to own one. I’d only get the above in manual, coupes. Mileage isn’t as important as reliable service history. Low mileage & lower owner count is ideal 👌🏼
Agree, low owner count makes a big difference. The first owner treated it like the 90k car he/she bought. The second owner treated it like the 50k car they bought. The third owner like the 30k car they bought. By the time you get down past the 4th or 5th owner they treated it like the 20k or 15k car they bought...
I have a 986 and my brother has a 996 C4S but I've not driven it. I've met many, many Porsche owners who have 996s, 997s, 992's etc and many of them have previously owned Boxsters. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them loved their Boxster and some still have one as a 3rd, 4th car. They are such good value for money and as a friend said, a 996 is three times the price but not three times the car. That said, I am hoping to be a 996 owner within the next 10 days.😁 PS : I think that you might have been at the German Car Day last weekend?
Good evening, my advice to you as a young woman buy what you want right now and enjoy it will no Porsches are fabulous cars no matter which one you buy so don't worry about it too much just go for it....cheers Phil from Newark
Lucy, I would say start off with a Cayman or Boxster and see how you get on. The roads in your part of the world are so congested that you'll not be able to use the 911 to it's full potential, unless you take it to a track. At least you can enjoy thrashing an old boxster around those Sussex roads somewhere near its limit. You'll save yourself a few quid as well.
There is no rule as to starting with a Boxster and working your way up. Can go backwards or sideways. If you were starting from the low then start with a rusty 924 but you won’t like it. I could have bought a 911 but chose a Cayman R instead. Get what suits. There is no bad choice as long as it does it for you and has been well maintained.
Don't forget 997.1 do also bore score and coolant pipe funnyness. The purists choice is a 996.1 Carrera 2 coupe with cable throttle (have one myself, testdriven an other one). It is over 230.000km and still running like a champ. Cabriolets are if you really want one, I'm a coupe guy myself but I understand the fun of cabriolet. I don't find the carrera 4's particulaty intersting, it is better to shift to a 4S directly then. 4s in a cool color exist but harder to find. I have a friend that has a speed yellow one and happen to pass an identical car in Italy last week as wel.
987 / 997 over the 986 / 996 anyday.Better engineered cars with better quality interiors.Definitely worth the push.😊 Manual gearbox...recent tyres & brake discs a must ...plus a stainless exhaust if possible.I usually buy on interior.If thats not worn out its been looked after.
If you haven't already bought please buy 997 to eventually move up to turbo dream cars for me. Wouldn't be afraid to buy private if you had an inspection, no real difference to buying through dealership warranties usually mean nothing anyway. Ps enjoying the channel
im old and retired, I have a Cayman, a AMG63, but my daily is a Audi S5, also have a Fiat Panda 4x4 for snow days, all of them are money pits, and your Porsche will be the same, expansive running costs Lucy
@ASI-l2w im in my 60s but I couldn't afford a xr3 in my 20s with a mortgage and kids, I did buy one in my 50s but it wasn't what I expected, and sold it for a 500 quid profit 6 months later
I always prefer a low owner car, 1-2. Someone who's owned the car a long time is a good sign. For these if the IMS is done that's good to know. Always prefer original spec, unmodified cars.
Definitely try a 987 Cayman. They have that lovely small coupe cabin that you described as race car. Although the aesthetics dont work as well on Instagram (to my eye) they are fantastic in person and a stunning rear quarter view in side mirror from drivers seat. Try. One You’ll see.
I'd go for the 911. It's not peaking. While a 996 C4S is a fantastic car, you can still go to a turbo or GT3 model....and if the channel really takes off, perhaps a GT2 RS ;)
I always wanted a 911 finally could get one, a 996 c4 3.4 it was terrible on fuel. And was bit of a money pit, but not ims or bore score, steering rack needed replacing big money, small oil leak big money, suspension parts expensive, ignition coils and starter motor more big bills. Sold it after a year due to anxiety that it would keep breaking down. Wish I got a 997.2 with bore score exam report the money I ended up spending I could have got the 997
I would go for an early build c2 manual 3.4 with low miles. They don't suffer as much as the 3.6 with bore scoring. Avoid tiptronic, they are awful. Boxter and Cayman are great cars(I've owned a 987 Cayman S). At the.end of the day, they are not a 911. I replaced my Cayman with a 996.1 C2 5 years ago, I love it and will keep it for ever.
Hi Lucy, George & Coda (hope ive spelled that right) another class video, even though it was just you talking to us lol my opinion (for what its worth) go Boxster and work your way up, it`ll be great for the channel & I personally think make you appreciate more when you achieve your goal of owning a 996. All the very best from Lexus Nick.
Just pick a pretty one and buy it, stop overthinking! I have a 2001 996 C2, Manual. I've been quoted 1500 euros to have the clutch and IMS replaced at a local Porsche specialist. It's really not that big of a deal. If you buy a car which hasn't had it done yet, it's not a problem, 90+% of cars never have an issue and a car that hasn't had a problem yet is no worse than one with a replaced IMS. They're all 20+ years old at this point, there is always a possibility of issues - budget accordingly, it's like the L322, you need to have a bit of a savings pot for just-in-case. It's not unusual for adverts to not mention bore scoring, most owners don't even think about it, it's the same sort of paranoia you get on Range Rover forums about the airbags or the turbo's - it's unlikely to ever happen, if it does, it's a few grand to fix - put a pot aside and don't worry about it. life's too short! C4S, C4, C2, it's just preference, choose what you love. I went with the C2 as it's a sports car, I don't think 4wd is needed on a sports car. I love the narrow body look with no wings/aero, no un-necessary vents, just as Pinky Lai designed it, unblemished, lovely smooth shape. Feel free to message me with questions, I bought my 996 recently to complement my 4.4 TDV8 L322, it's a perfect combination IMHO! :)
If your heart tell you that you want a 996 then get a 996.Anything below will leave you thinking what if!.To me that will be your benchmark and perhaps in the future,if funds allow then upgrade.Once you have owned a Porsche they really get under your skin,in my personal opinion.Love the channel.❤.Also have you considered a Cayman,981 gen I think is the sweet spot.I have always loved the 997 gen.
987 cayman is the sweet spot, go with the 2.7 Manuel no ims issues or borescore unlike the 3.4, I have one from JR motor company (check them out) I’m going to move to Aston Martin vantage and then r8
Hi Lucy. Good video. I would go for a 996 or 997. I don’t mind the Boxter, but if you want a real Porsche go with the best. Good luck. I would go for a lower mileage one. Mark. 🤙
I’ve never had a 996, I believe good ones are very good, I’ve had a 981 Cayman S, fantastic, I’ve had a 997.2 C2S, really fantastic, I currently have a totally sorted 911SC, really really fantastic, I never plan to sell it!! Enjoy the Porsche journey 👍👍👍 Maybe do a collaboration with 9werks tv to find your perfect Porsche??
I would say don't buy a cheap porsche unless you have significant back up funds to maintain it. A set of brake discs and pads or full set of tyres is the thick end of a grand. Buy the newest best condition you can stretch to. I bought a 3 year old 996 aged 30 for £45k in 2003. Insuring and servicing it was a big spend.
It's an obvious point but if you want to take your boy, get the 996. Otherwise, you might be better off in a newer Cayman than an older 911 - these are expensive cars to maintain relative to their value (although nothing like the risks and challenges of a Range Rover).
What are your thoughts on convertible 996 ?? I literally have 3 996 shapes that I like, the convertible, the gt3 rs kitted ones and the c4s......its hard
People need to realise thats its not 'some' porsche models. Its all of them from 97-15. If it doesnt have bore score yet, it will eventually have it. Could happen after 10k miles. Could happen at 100k. miles. Its gonna happen eventually
Don’t buy a boxster. You know in your heart of hearts that it’s not what you really want. As soon as you drive off the forecourt you’ll wish you’d paid a little bit more and got what you really want. I’ve spent all my life umming and Arring over cars and not having what I really wanted. Bite the bullet. I did. Wanted a Ranger Raptor so I bought one. No regrets.😅
Why do people continually knock the Boxster? It’s getting boring and to be honest slightly annoying. I’ve owned mine for 20 years & it’s great fun. Many years ago I went to part ex for a 911 but just couldn’t see where the extra value was with the extra £ i needed to add.
It’s because of the silly comment which (I think) Jeremy Clarkson said about the Boxster on Top Gear. I think they are brilliant cars along with the Cayman. They are a lot of car for a lot less money.
People are narrow minded mate the boxster handles better than a 911 I’ve driven all 3 996 c c4 c4s 3.4 early and both boxsters 2.7 and 3.2 and the boxster is a massively under rated car
I owned a 986 2.7 Boxster for around 2 years, it was a nice car but I didn’t really gel with it and it did attract a lot of negative attention for some reason. I’d buy a Cayman in the future but not a fan of soft tops anymore
The Boxster (and Cayman) ate epic cars. 90% the same on parts and electronics but with the engine in the right place. 911 is a halo car for many so regardless of dynamics it's the their go to. Doesn't make the Boxster or Cayman a lesser car though and thankfully from the 981 generation on Porsche themselves have given it the engines it deserved.
Not sure why you didn’t search Caymans but buy the car you want. It’s going to be a lot cheaper to get one car you really want than a lesser car that you will switch up in no time. So basically get a 997. Just do it and don’t it once.
Get a Cayman... I bought a 987 rather than a 996 as I felt the younger generation as the 987 was just a better car. For 20k you can probably get a 981 or get a 987 and have plenty left to maintain it comfortably.
Go for the 911 if that is the car you want, go for the dream. Settling for an alternative is always going to be regret. Porsche 911 prices are coming down. It's a buyers market.
the 996 C4S is gorgeous. the early 997's are all bad, don't buy unless it's had an engine rebuild. The C4S is just a very pretty car and you'll end up just staring at it all day. Boxsters are good but don't waste time go for the 911.
Boxster is best bang for buck, but people are soppy and think a 911 is better. Bit like going for champagne when cremant pretty much the same without the name
My friend bought a 997 for 27K. He bought it round for me to drive. I told him I can’t go full tilt because the engine sounds off in some way. The car went to Porsche and they inspected the engine with camera. Found a hairline crack. Oh god 27k for a new engine. Luckily after much fighting the garage sorted out the engine. Could have been the biggest loss ever.😂 He’s also lucky he bought it to a real driver.
Don’t bother with a Boxster no point working your way up. Get what you want. You know the issues with the 996. Going for one with mega low mileage is no guarantee that it will be problem free.Porsche’s need to be driven. Cannot wait to see what you end up with. Oh when your get your 996 only use premium fuel none of that supermarket rubbish.
If you prefer a coupe, & budget is a serious consideration, then why not look at a Cayman? Also consider a nicely specced non S model, they're still more than fast enough to have fun in, but are less appealing to "boy racer" types, & therefore less likely to have been thrashed...
Mileage doesnt bother me if the service history is good or car has been looked after but with anything over 5 owners would put me off dont ask me why lol
JayEmm made a very comprehensive video about the engine issue including info on which model years are affected and to what extent - th-cam.com/video/E5Q5-2IRntY/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps.
If i was you i would not go for a Boxter,reasons why are you are already talking about selling it bfore you buy it and it's a convertable and i think if you do you'll be thinking about the 996 4 S you should have bought when you test drove it,that was tidy and from a porsche specialist,996 4 S all day for me😀👍
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I bought a 2006 997 Carrera manual two months ago from a Porsche specialist (was his personal car)everything done and full Porsche history.Paid 25k and is the best thing I've done,have wanted one since I was 5 and after losing my mum a few months ago and being diagnosed with cancer,decided life's too short and bought her
I wish you well with the car and with your health challenge. Enjoy
@@seanmoroney5029 Thankyou
It's like any financial decision,if you can afford it go for it but the best advice I was given was whichever Porsche you go for make sure you have £10,000 SPARE in an account for all of its Bill's as even a small bill is in the late hundreds. I'm speaking from experience
@@ashtonjay Bill's? FFS!
Only $25k? Wow!
It sounds like a 996 is the one you want, therefore get the 911 rather than a Boxster. If you do choose to push the boat out and get an early 997, get a boroscope check done as part of the inspection. Other than that, I would recommend getting one with a ton of history that has been loved, over mileage considerations. Ultimately it’s all a roll of the dice as to whether it’ll cost in maintenance, but it’s a fun dice to be rolling! Good luck! 🙂
Owned 9 Porsches, worked my way up to a 911, sod that, just go and buy the car you want, you will get there anyway. Owned 2 996 C4S, also 4 997 C4S, one of which I owned and bought back 3 times.
I love the anonymity of Porsches, not just the 911’s these cars, a really easy car to live with.
Mileage is not an indication condition, get the newest, highest mileage, you will get a better car, they need to be used, not sat in a garage.
Only use E5 Super, by Shell BP etc, never supermarket fuel, they need the additives.
Always used mine as my daily
I got into Porsche ownership 4 years ago, and I’m well above 30. Got the cayman 987 first, and passed that onto my son and he is 30 years old, and up graded to a Boxster 981. Each time I thought that will be my last and forever car. I think it’s great to have a Porsche journey and you appreciate each step. However I have no major desire to own a 911. Good luck on your choice and it will be exciting whatever you choose
I pulled the trigger years ago on what was once my dream car... a Honda s2000. Enjoyed it for years then I did it all over again with a Nissan GTR in 2009. Enjoyed it again for years, then I finally got a 2006 987.1 Cayman S after carefully studying it and it's "issues". Overblown, but not untrue. It can certainly happen even after your borescope shows no issues. I have spent years collecting research on this and studying my own car... which is still original and still flawless at 60k miles. You are at the mercy of the hidden history of the car so its a bit like gambling. If the car passes its PPI WITH a full clean borescope and it shows that it has been DRIVEN and not a garage queen it is probably worth the risk. Most of the scoring is due to revving a garage queen when cold in combination with factory flaws and possibly leaking fuel injectors. Scoring happens because of a momentary lack of oil in a running engine. Anything that dilutes or washes away the oil at just the wrong time is always the cause. Dripping fuel is not a lubricant but it can happen because of the unique design of these engines. In my case, I replaced the injectors, coil pack, spark plugs, changed to Driven DT40 oil, changed the water pump and the air-oil separator (AOS). Your oil quality, injectors and AOS in combination with the care you take to warm the car up by DRIVING not IDLING are the best things you can do to keep a 987.1 S on the road. Never idle your car to warm it up, just get in and drive but keep the revs under 3k for about 10-15 minutes. If you have a slightly bigger budget, go for a 987.2 which was designed to eliminate these worries. You can also play it safe with a base cayman 987.1 but "safe" has never been my approach with my passions.
I actually love to drive my 987.1 Cayman S just as much as my 991.2 Turbo S. This one is nowhere near the budget you are talking about but I want to stress that mid-engine manual with hydraulic steering is a feeling I will NEVER give up. Look for circa 2005 - 2009 reviews on youtube of the original Cayman. Tiff Needell on 5th Gear and the original Stig lap on Top Gear can be found on here. It was and is considered one of the best driving machines ever made. Do it and never look back. You only have your one life. Go out with a smile on your face.
Hi Lucy I seen your first drive of the C4S about 2 months ago when I was looking myself as a silver C4S was for sale on a street near me (yes I know I couldnt believe my luck). I paid £18k for it and it has been completely rebuilt by a specialist called Performance Porsche. it hasnt missed a beat and just brings a smile to my face every time look at it. Buy from a specialist or from an enthusiast like I did. He had a 5 Porsche collection that he was just thinning out and I got an absolute Jem. Good luck, it took me till 40 to realise my dream.
Just go to the end of your vid and seen that most of those cars are the same cars that have been on the trader for about 4 months so make sure your aggressive with your negotiations. Its a buyers market!!
I’ve just bought my first Porsche, a base 2.9 987.2 Boxster in Guards Red with 29,000 miles on the clock and full Porsche history. No IMS bearing on this model and bore score is virtually unheard off with this variant. I’m absolutely loving ownership, the sooner you buy one the better, you’ll love it 😀
Sounds great!
I have a cayman 2.7 987.1 2007 and I just love it. I've had it 2 years now and I think its a good starting point for you to start on your porsche journey.
I’ve just gone down this path. You can get a 997 c2 Carrera coupe for less than 20 grand. I was umming over one at 18. Make sure it’s under 55 reg for cheap road tax
987 Boxster/Cayman is the sweet spot if you're on a budget. That's where I landed with a Cayman S. The mid-engine cars don't have the prestige of the 911, so they sell for less, but those in the know admit that they are better balanced and drive better than an equivalent generation/spec 911.
I've can't recommend the 981 Cayman or Cayman S enough. Naturally aspirated, powerful enough for the UK roads, much cheaper to run and maintain than a 911 and still modern enough as it came alongside the 991.1 991 in 2012. Whatever you do, don't try my experiment of getting a cheap 996... not worth it! 🤣
agree.
Cheap 996s can be fun, if you like working on cars, but if you're paying garage rates, yes, avoid,!
@@mattsmith6514 the 996 on my channel was £8,500 so that's my level of cheap 🤣 I appreciate you can definitely have a lot of fun and little problems with a 996 if you spend a bit more north of that 👍
Just don't get an early cayman unless you like fitting new engines
I would agree with this, However if you insist on a 911, I would rather have an early 997 however it must be registered before March 2005 as then you would be paying £415 car tax rather than £710 an amount that can go towards servicing. If you g for a Cayman (my preference) go for a 2010/11 as earlier ones have higher ved
Boxsters are great, but I love my 996 C4S. Like you, I have young children and you can get them in the back of a 996 -and they absolutely love it!
I would drive them all and see what you prefer i have had a Boxter 987 2.7 for five years now and i love it. Don't forget about the cayman.
I have a 996 I bought it from a car collector who had it for over 10 years people like this are good to buy from because they really look after them
To ask people what you should go for is like asking everybody which model is their own favorite. It's always going to be different depending on who you ask. To me it sounds like you have to decide between if you are buying with channel content in mind or if it is more like a dream of yours. The answer to that question will help you decide which way to go
I have had 2 996 and 2 997 , both lovely cars, bore score is the bank account killer so be careful. The car I run now is a Golf GTI Clubsport MK7 and you won’t want to hear this but they are faster and put a bigger smile on your face. Good luck , buy what you want.
The ims bearing is overhyped, its not a common failure, although it is peace of mind if one has been changed. Bore score is also not that common in the boxster 986 and 996 911, it is more of an issue with the 997. If you have your heart set on the c4s, I'd go for that. It is better looking and will hold its value more, hence the higher price now. Enjoy the channel BTW 😊
Hi Lucy. You talked about how great the Boxster is, but talked about not wanting one because it’s a convertible. …and never mentioned the Cayman. I’ve owned a lot of cars and one of them was a 2005 Cayman S. It was brilliant. I’d recommend one in a heartbeat
Ok, so if you start with a 996 carrera 4s you still have 997 gen 1 and 2, 991 gen 1&2, 992 gen 1&2. You also have gt cars and turbos. So if you start with 911, you’ve still got plenty of generations to go through.
There is also, as you say, bossier - and don’t forget the cayman. Your 20 grand budget could go further with them.
I think 996 is good starting point.
Hi Lucy, go for a 997, newer than a 996, and the 3 of you can go out in it together, if you buy a Boxter there will always be days when the three of you want to go out in it, but the Boxter only has two seats.
Buy one that has had the big jobs done, such as brake pipes, air con condensers and a suspension refresh etc. they can all add a chunky number to the ongoing costs. My 996 c4 had 9 owners when I bought it and a good history. They’re all old cars so buy one that looks like it’s been looked after. Advantage of buying from a private seller is that you can get a gut feel about how it will have been treated as well.
Don’t compromise as you’ll never be content with 2nd best. So go for your dream car and make sure it a manual as well.
10/10 I dont think youre making a mistake. If you cross every I and dott every T before buying, its a dream come true!
Enjoy. This is the only 911 accessible to us 20 somethings in the last 10 ish years... I also bought a 996 and am in my 20s. I daily drive it now. Its a dream come true! You will need to do some DIY wrenching, but if you find a good shop, and know how much parts cost, and have some friends, youre set.
Finally, dont get a cayman. Now, if you wanted a cayman, get one. But if you want a 911, get a 911. You would look at the cayman and see the shadow of the car you actually wanted. At worse you can buy the 911, like it but its a bit expensive, sell it, get a cayman knowing full well youve "been there, done that"!
Most ppl who have a boxster or cayman also had a 911 once and dont need the thrill... Me meanwhile will always drive 911s. They are a perfect daily. If I am going to commute to work, I will do so in something that makes every mile fun! :D
Best driving ‘regular’ 996 is manual C2 3.6 facelift, C4 heavier / slower not as balanced C4S is the show boat 911
I say Boxster S, and then work your way up from there... very rewarding!! Good luck and have fun.
Speaking as someone who got my dream car at 27 aswell! If your heart is set on a 996 4s. Then nothing will ever come close. It will almost feel like your putting yourself off for a reason. Life's too short, go for it! I will also say from the channel story point of view. You will never run out of stories with your dream car because you constantly think of things to involve the car!
Had a 987 boxster, 981s boxster, and now a 996turbo. Recommend buying from a dealer. Have you tried ‘a friends green Porsche’ - usually have a good selection of the type of car you’re looking for
On a serious note from a garage service point of view as many years ago I worked in garage on all makes.
Before purchasing any model, check for what issue's they are known, prices of parts and get yourself a Haynes repair manual.
Thank you, Lucy for dumping your brain on us subscriber's.
When buying a car, I try to get one with a Full Service History and fewer owners. Of course, it needs to pass a full vehicle check too.
I like the Carrera 2 (996) the C4S (996) or any of the 997 variations. Boxters are fun, but I wouldn’t want to own one. I’d only get the above in manual, coupes. Mileage isn’t as important as reliable service history. Low mileage & lower owner count is ideal 👌🏼
Agree, low owner count makes a big difference. The first owner treated it like the 90k car he/she bought. The second owner treated it like the 50k car they bought. The third owner like the 30k car they bought. By the time you get down past the 4th or 5th owner they treated it like the 20k or 15k car they bought...
1 owner sensible mileage full service history my ideal cars
Keeping cost effectiveness get the Boxster and grab and aftermarket hardtop if needed. That how I plan on starting that P car journey
Push for 997 if you can. The lights on the 996 really age the car whereas the 997 is a timeless design.
You are looking for the right car Lucy, 996 C4S. Perfect car. Stick to specialist seller and you will love every minute of it.
I have a 986 and my brother has a 996 C4S but I've not driven it.
I've met many, many Porsche owners who have 996s, 997s, 992's etc and many of them have previously owned Boxsters. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them loved their Boxster and some still have one as a 3rd, 4th car. They are such good value for money and as a friend said, a 996 is three times the price but not three times the car.
That said, I am hoping to be a 996 owner within the next 10 days.😁
PS : I think that you might have been at the German Car Day last weekend?
Good evening, my advice to you as a young woman buy what you want right now and enjoy it will no Porsches are fabulous cars no matter which one you buy so don't worry about it too much just go for it....cheers Phil from Newark
Lucy, I would say start off with a Cayman or Boxster and see how you get on. The roads in your part of the world are so congested that you'll not be able to use the 911 to it's full potential, unless you take it to a track. At least you can enjoy thrashing an old boxster around those Sussex roads somewhere near its limit. You'll save yourself a few quid as well.
There is no rule as to starting with a Boxster and working your way up. Can go backwards or sideways. If you were starting from the low then start with a rusty 924 but you won’t like it.
I could have bought a 911 but chose a Cayman R instead.
Get what suits. There is no bad choice as long as it does it for you and has been well maintained.
Don't forget 997.1 do also bore score and coolant pipe funnyness.
The purists choice is a 996.1 Carrera 2 coupe with cable throttle (have one myself, testdriven an other one). It is over 230.000km and still running like a champ. Cabriolets are if you really want one, I'm a coupe guy myself but I understand the fun of cabriolet. I don't find the carrera 4's particulaty intersting, it is better to shift to a 4S directly then. 4s in a cool color exist but harder to find. I have a friend that has a speed yellow one and happen to pass an identical car in Italy last week as wel.
987 / 997 over the 986 / 996 anyday.Better engineered cars with better quality interiors.Definitely worth the push.😊 Manual gearbox...recent tyres & brake discs a must ...plus a stainless exhaust if possible.I usually buy on interior.If thats not worn out its been looked after.
Get a 996, budget the ims bearing issue. I would pass on the Boxter. You aren't ruining your experience. Make sure it has heated seats.
If you haven't already bought please buy 997 to eventually move up to turbo dream cars for me. Wouldn't be afraid to buy private if you had an inspection, no real difference to buying through dealership warranties usually mean nothing anyway.
Ps enjoying the channel
Buy a coupe, not a cab. Get a report on Bore score and and have IMS and clutch done or negotiate. 4s preferably below 90k.
im old and retired, I have a Cayman, a AMG63, but my daily is a Audi S5, also have a Fiat Panda 4x4 for snow days, all of them are money pits, and your Porsche will be the same, expansive running costs Lucy
The Fiat Panda 4x4s are really cool looking
@@sharkskingaming6783 I agree and practical in bad weather
@ASI-l2w im in my 60s but I couldn't afford a xr3 in my 20s with a mortgage and kids, I did buy one in my 50s but it wasn't what I expected, and sold it for a 500 quid profit 6 months later
I always prefer a low owner car, 1-2. Someone who's owned the car a long time is a good sign. For these if the IMS is done that's good to know. Always prefer original spec, unmodified cars.
Definitely try a 987 Cayman. They have that lovely small coupe cabin that you described as race car. Although the aesthetics dont work as well on Instagram (to my eye) they are fantastic in person and a stunning rear quarter view in side mirror from drivers seat. Try. One You’ll see.
I'd go for the 911. It's not peaking. While a 996 C4S is a fantastic car, you can still go to a turbo or GT3 model....and if the channel really takes off, perhaps a GT2 RS ;)
I always wanted a 911 finally could get one, a 996 c4 3.4 it was terrible on fuel. And was bit of a money pit, but not ims or bore score, steering rack needed replacing big money, small oil leak big money, suspension parts expensive, ignition coils and starter motor more big bills. Sold it after a year due to anxiety that it would keep breaking down. Wish I got a 997.2 with bore score exam report the money I ended up spending I could have got the 997
I would go for an early build c2 manual 3.4 with low miles. They don't suffer as much as the 3.6 with bore scoring. Avoid tiptronic, they are awful.
Boxter and Cayman are great cars(I've owned a 987 Cayman S). At the.end of the day, they are not a 911. I replaced my Cayman with a 996.1 C2 5 years ago, I love it and will keep it for ever.
Hi Lucy, George & Coda (hope ive spelled that right) another class video, even though it was just you talking to us lol my opinion (for what its worth) go Boxster and work your way up, it`ll be great for the channel & I personally think make you appreciate more when you achieve your goal of owning a 996. All the very best from Lexus Nick.
Just pick a pretty one and buy it, stop overthinking!
I have a 2001 996 C2, Manual. I've been quoted 1500 euros to have the clutch and IMS replaced at a local Porsche specialist. It's really not that big of a deal. If you buy a car which hasn't had it done yet, it's not a problem, 90+% of cars never have an issue and a car that hasn't had a problem yet is no worse than one with a replaced IMS.
They're all 20+ years old at this point, there is always a possibility of issues - budget accordingly, it's like the L322, you need to have a bit of a savings pot for just-in-case.
It's not unusual for adverts to not mention bore scoring, most owners don't even think about it, it's the same sort of paranoia you get on Range Rover forums about the airbags or the turbo's - it's unlikely to ever happen, if it does, it's a few grand to fix - put a pot aside and don't worry about it. life's too short!
C4S, C4, C2, it's just preference, choose what you love. I went with the C2 as it's a sports car, I don't think 4wd is needed on a sports car. I love the narrow body look with no wings/aero, no un-necessary vents, just as Pinky Lai designed it, unblemished, lovely smooth shape.
Feel free to message me with questions, I bought my 996 recently to complement my 4.4 TDV8 L322, it's a perfect combination IMHO! :)
If your heart tell you that you want a 996 then get a 996.Anything below will leave you thinking what if!.To me that will be your benchmark and perhaps in the future,if funds allow then upgrade.Once you have owned a Porsche they really get under your skin,in my personal opinion.Love the channel.❤.Also have you considered a Cayman,981 gen I think is the sweet spot.I have always loved the 997 gen.
987 cayman is the sweet spot, go with the 2.7 Manuel no ims issues or borescore unlike the 3.4, I have one from JR motor company (check them out) I’m going to move to Aston Martin vantage and then r8
Hi Lucy. Good video. I would go for a 996 or 997. I don’t mind the Boxter, but if you want a real Porsche go with the best. Good luck. I would go for a lower mileage one. Mark. 🤙
Boxster S handles better than a 996 with it being mid engined instead of rear
I’ve never had a 996, I believe good ones are very good, I’ve had a 981 Cayman S, fantastic, I’ve had a 997.2 C2S, really fantastic, I currently have a totally sorted 911SC, really really fantastic, I never plan to sell it!! Enjoy the Porsche journey 👍👍👍
Maybe do a collaboration with 9werks tv to find your perfect Porsche??
I would say don't buy a cheap porsche unless you have significant back up funds to maintain it. A set of brake discs and pads or full set of tyres is the thick end of a grand. Buy the newest best condition you can stretch to. I bought a 3 year old 996 aged 30 for £45k in 2003. Insuring and servicing it was a big spend.
It's an obvious point but if you want to take your boy, get the 996. Otherwise, you might be better off in a newer Cayman than an older 911 - these are expensive cars to maintain relative to their value (although nothing like the risks and challenges of a Range Rover).
My preference would be 2WD and view 4WD as an option for people who don’t know how to drive a RWD car very well!
What are your thoughts on convertible 996 ?? I literally have 3 996 shapes that I like, the convertible, the gt3 rs kitted ones and the c4s......its hard
I typed this and posted it then you talked about the convertibles 😅😂
People need to realise thats its not 'some' porsche models. Its all of them from 97-15. If it doesnt have bore score yet, it will eventually have it. Could happen after 10k miles. Could happen at 100k. miles. Its gonna happen eventually
Those issues are not internet scare stories, they're real! Forget the Boxster if it's not your thing.
I would experience the 996 before moving to a 997 but if u want the best u can with the budget then 997 ofc
Don’t buy a boxster. You know in your heart of hearts that it’s not what you really want. As soon as you drive off the forecourt you’ll wish you’d paid a little bit more and got what you really want. I’ve spent all my life umming and Arring over cars and not having what I really wanted. Bite the bullet. I did. Wanted a Ranger Raptor so I bought one. No regrets.😅
I’d maybe get the RR fixed first 😂
Early 996 Carrera 2 with fried egg headlights. Absolute classic.
This is the purists choice :)
Get a base model with regular oil changes. Base models are plenty fast enough.
Why do people continually knock the Boxster? It’s getting boring and to be honest slightly annoying. I’ve owned mine for 20 years & it’s great fun. Many years ago I went to part ex for a 911 but just couldn’t see where the extra value was with the extra £ i needed to add.
It’s because of the silly comment which (I think) Jeremy Clarkson said about the Boxster on Top Gear. I think they are brilliant cars along with the Cayman. They are a lot of car for a lot less money.
People are narrow minded mate the boxster handles better than a 911 I’ve driven all 3 996 c c4 c4s 3.4 early and both boxsters 2.7 and 3.2 and the boxster is a massively under rated car
I owned a 986 2.7 Boxster for around 2 years, it was a nice car but I didn’t really gel with it and it did attract a lot of negative attention for some reason.
I’d buy a Cayman in the future but not a fan of soft tops anymore
The Boxster (and Cayman) ate epic cars. 90% the same on parts and electronics but with the engine in the right place. 911 is a halo car for many so regardless of dynamics it's the their go to. Doesn't make the Boxster or Cayman a lesser car though and thankfully from the 981 generation on Porsche themselves have given it the engines it deserved.
Cayman GTS 3.0
Now...go crazy!
Not sure why you didn’t search Caymans but buy the car you want. It’s going to be a lot cheaper to get one car you really want than a lesser car that you will switch up in no time. So basically get a 997. Just do it and don’t it once.
Get a Cayman... I bought a 987 rather than a 996 as I felt the younger generation as the 987 was just a better car. For 20k you can probably get a 981 or get a 987 and have plenty left to maintain it comfortably.
Yea
Go for the 911 if that is the car you want, go for the dream. Settling for an alternative is always going to be regret. Porsche 911 prices are coming down. It's a buyers market.
I used to have one of these, brilliant cars 😎
service history for sure
the 996 C4S is gorgeous. the early 997's are all bad, don't buy unless it's had an engine rebuild. The C4S is just a very pretty car and you'll end up just staring at it all day. Boxsters are good but don't waste time go for the 911.
Boxster is best bang for buck, but people are soppy and think a 911 is better. Bit like going for champagne when cremant pretty much the same without the name
You have to physically look at cars. People lie in adverts.
A 997 or 993 is the dream for me, not massively keen on the 996. I could do it but my wife and children won’t let me sell my 1968 VW Camper.
Not sure if you know or care , but is that your post code on the autotrader search? Should block it out maybe?
no it's not, just a postcode from the same town😊
Lucy, why am I now looking at Porsches on Autotrader when I should be asleep?? Now potentially considering a Cayman
Worth the lack of sleep 😂
Boxster only has two seats, if the RR is off the road, at least you can fit a small child in a 911 🤷🏼♂️
BoxSter.
My friend bought a 997 for 27K. He bought it round for me to drive. I told him I can’t go full tilt because the engine sounds off in some way. The car went to Porsche and they inspected the engine with camera. Found a hairline crack. Oh god 27k for a new engine. Luckily after much fighting the garage sorted out the engine. Could have been the biggest loss ever.😂 He’s also lucky he bought it to a real driver.
Forget the 996. Get a Cayman.
You should look at the 987 Cayman 😊
Start at the bottom and work your way up otherwise you won’t have the experience and pleasure of trying them out
I have a 987 boxster in red. Manual low mileage. Would you be interested in having a look?
Don’t bother with a Boxster no point working your way up. Get what you want. You know the issues with the 996. Going for one with mega low mileage is no guarantee that it will be problem free.Porsche’s need to be driven. Cannot wait to see what you end up with. Oh when your get your 996 only use premium fuel none of that supermarket rubbish.
First question is
Do you want a 2 seater car or a car your child can also fit in.?
If you prefer a coupe, & budget is a serious consideration, then why not look at a Cayman? Also consider a nicely specced non S model, they're still more than fast enough to have fun in, but are less appealing to "boy racer" types, & therefore less likely to have been thrashed...
996 targa❤️👌
Just get it, or you'll always think why didn't I? The prices are already sky rocketing the more you're pondering over it!
True!
Mileage doesnt bother me if the service history is good or car has been looked after but with anything over 5 owners would put me off dont ask me why lol
Cayman?
If you don't like a convertible, why not have a look at the Cayman?
Nice and early 🎉 loving your vids 🎉
Look at caymans boxter coupe win win
JayEmm made a very comprehensive video about the engine issue including info on which model years are affected and to what extent - th-cam.com/video/E5Q5-2IRntY/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps.
If i was you i would not go for a Boxter,reasons why are you are already talking about selling it bfore you buy it and it's a convertable and i think if you do you'll be thinking about the 996 4 S you should have bought when you test drove it,that was tidy and from a porsche specialist,996 4 S all day for me😀👍