Did She-Hulk Succeed? (Full Spoiler Review)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- She-Hulk season 1 just wrapped up it's nine episode nine on Disney Plus, ending in a big pile of Marvel and streaming meta commentary. But how was it overall? With the reapperence of Daredevil, Wong the Abomination, fourth wall breaks galore, new characters like Titania and Madisynn and hints towards the X-Men, the future of Bruce Bana and the Hulk and more. Thanks for watching!
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00:00 The Start
03:11 CGI Controversy
06:06 Tatiana Maslany is Great
06:39 Dardevil's Appearances
08:56 The Villains & Abomination
11:00 Wong & Madisynn
11:42 Fourth Wall Break Finale Twist
15:41 World War Hulk Teaser?
16:18 Side Characters & Wider Universe
17:22 Overall Thoughts
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Did you know that, even though She Hulk is green, the working title for She Hulk was actually Blue Harvest.
That's some good green trivia thank you
Its funny because of the effort u put into the joke
That’s crazy, because Blue Harvest also happens to be the working title for the original Star Wars film.
Something something
Another great vid from the Frog Guy or whatever and Mr. Kill Himself
As a VFX artist myself, something that's not often reported is that nowadays, film productions do not really have an R & D phase anymore. Before the dawn of VFX, a lot of the front end of the pre-production was dedicated to how they could get effects right, as most of the time they'd be shooting them in-camera, so they had to get it right.
Now, because it's so easy to change things in a computer, a good chunk of the R & D phase is removed and pushed into post-production, where they try to fix the issues that side.
The trade-off, of course, is that artists can be left to flounder, as the directors, supervisors, producers and clients are all trying to put their two cents in and offer up conflicting opinions on what they want to see. It is not uncommon to go round the houses on a shot for months, to only end up back where you started, as both no-one can agree on what they want, and they just run out of time, which is why some shots can look like really rushed.
Obviously, this is just a generalisation. Not every show is like this, but it is common. I maintain they need to dedicate more time to R & D in the pre-production side, and directors and clients need to go on a VFX crash course to better understand how it all works.
Sincerely, a very tired VFX artist.
Thank you for this! Interesting.
That was very insightful to read. As someone who's been intrigued but unsurprised by the recent reports of VFX artists' complaints about big studios like Marvel.
great insight
@@themadtitan7603 while I agree that Disney should be more active supporting artists...it's a bit of a disingenuous take. The headlines were all Disney this Disney that, and morally they're the ones making the millions off the work of artists they should be doing better, but practically there's going to be people in the middle. And if you slog through the articles with the details, it's the companies subcontracted by Disney treating their workers badly that were being complained about. Disney doesn't handle the day to day about anything but they do accept promises made on behalf of the artists. Then Disney has an unrealistic or impossible end date but one that was sold to them and no one is going to say "actually Disney my team is working around the clock and we can't meet deadlines". The system needs to work better and Disney profiting off of the flaws does make them complicit but unless they start micromanaging everyone, which I doubt anyone wants, change is going to have to start further down the ladder.
I was wondering if this show had a development phase where they tried out different ways to do the She-Hulk form. I enjoyed Tatiana Maslany, but I wonder if they even considered casting a 6 ft 7 wrestler, have her be green all the time cause she liked it, and did the skinny Steve Rogers thing from time to time. The parody of the Bixby/Ferrigno show made me think casting someone as She-Hulk and painting her green could have been better and led to less crunch.
I also had a moment of "OH god no, don't let Emil be bad!" But you're right, it looks like Emil had no idea what the meeting was about and was just selling his life coach services.
Yeah that's why he moved to protect jen when todd attacked. He had no idea what was going on.
But put him back in prison, that’s exciting and new
@@mosquitopyjamas9048 ...but he's... not in prison?
@@Whitewingdevil yes he is
@@moonwhooper I think you missed the post-credits scene mate, he's in Khamar-taj.
I'm thoroughly impressed how much that one man noticed that the other man didn't.
There's just one man pretending to be two people.
@@lichberserker this is actually 3 giraffes pretending to be 1 man pretending to be 2 men
they dont pay attention
you guys work great as a team because when one of you doesn't notice something the other one does, really fantastic work guys, keep it up
I never noticed that. We should team up
And I love that it applies to every detail, there’s nothing that neither of them notice or that they both notice, great stuff
One thing I noticed was the character of She-Hulk, who was a nod to the She-Hulk character in the comics.
Oh shit! You got any source for this? The boys would want to know!
Didn't notice that Easter Egg!! Thanks!
@@hollandscottthomas it's mentioned briefly in She-Hulk #1 and then again in every subsequent issue.
for brief time she was called blue harvest
How did I not catch this?! 🤯
I really enjoyed in episode 6 when Mister Immortal jumped out of the building, alluding to the fact that glass is just frozen air
This is a deep cut comment and I love it.
Don't keep enabling Mason's belief that glass is frozen air. We all know it isn't. He might think it is but we know it's not frozen air.
yeah, in this show it would be fitting if he would jump into the window and getting bounced back and everybody looking at him and he stands up like excuse me and then opens the window and jumps out and theyd be like nonono
One of my biggest complaints about this show was that She-Hulk wasn’t muscular enough, she was just tall and green.
ive seen people say that apparently they wanted her to be buffer but the idea was shut down
In the Marvel offices, Lou Ferrigno should have cameo'd as a security guard as he did in both Hulk movies.
Right! Have them stare each other down and come to a mutual unspoken agreement to not fight.
Maybe he should've been filming some future scene they could reference in another movie
Instead of beating him up she should have given him a pizza lol
For a second I thought he was playing she hulk in the incredible hulk parody.
Oh man! I love that idea!
Captain America Winter Soldier is still my absolute favorite of all the movies
And it's an action movie.
@@RossAllaire yeah with spy thriller stuff mixed in
My fav too. Best fight scene and keeps things serious.
My favorite is Heath Ledger, for his Dark Knight performance alone.
Mine too - I wish they would've continued the Winter Soldier's thread better than they did...
She is incredibly strong and above average size but she has zero fighting experience and is pretty slow. The way Daredevil moved around her was exactly the way it should have gone. Then when he tried to make a getaway she used her mini thunderclap to hurt his ears. I loved it personally
I think that's the problem with a lot of Marvel (and superhero) action scenes and fight-matchups in general: they're usually too symmetrical. It's not interesting seeing two strong punchy bois try and punch harder than the other, but it IS really entertaining to see what a speedster is like against a telepath etc etc.
Take the Spider-Man PS4(/5) game for example: all the boss fights are against someone with a completely different skillset, so it becomes about cleverly using the tools you have to solve a problem. You can't punch Rhino into submission, so you have to wear him out and trick him into using his momentum badly.
I wish the films would recognise this a bit more. I think the best they have was the end battle in Infinity War, where you got to see like six different heroes all trying to use their different tools and skills on Titan to bring down Thanos, who is essentially a giant, clever tank.
@@hollandscottthomas Agreed, but also Dragon Ball Z, One Punch Man and so forth.
@@BlodhelmI mean even in the mcu with the first hulk film I loved watched Hulk and Abomination just punch each other over and over again super hard. Like strategic fights are cool but there’s something just so fun in watching like a battle of savage beasts who aren’t even thinking of anything besides wanting to hurt the thing in front of them, kind of like a Godzilla movie where there’s not much strategy in the Kaiju fights but it’s still awesome seeing two monsters just rage against each other. But I do get that that isn’t for everyond
I think they put the original intro homage at the beginning of the last episode because she was viewed as out of control at the end of episode 8, aka, Savage She-Hulk.
Yeah certainly this was my interpretation of that scene, especially when you consider it sequentially follows the climax of the previous episode it seems like a no brainer.
I find it really odd the boys found that it was out of place, it's one of the better parts of the finale imo
And it seemed like a dream sequence. Jen was sleeping in her cell while that scene was going on
Only good part about the entire show
No way, how'd you figure that out 🙃
but they showed her out of control and didnt need the reference to tell us
The final episode left me with so many questions regarding the canon of what actually happened in the season.
I think Todd's serum just straight up didn't work. Jen broke the inhibitor and Hulked out and Blonsky remained Hulked up, intimidating the remaining Intelligencia into staying while they called the cops. Titania was there for Rule of Funny. And Matt flew back out to LA to help Jen out legally but tracked her down when he realised she might be in trouble
I think that is the point
They will cherrypick whatever works for future series or movies and the rest will be discarded in a joke, probably like "yeah, dont think about it too much, it didnt happen"
This is the reason I didn't think they'd bring Deadpool in, I think with something like the MCU that relies so heavily on its interconnectivity having heavy fourth wall breaking like this breaks a ton of suspension of disbelief and just makes it hard to settle within the context of the other projects. I think it's easier in the comics but I'm like, okay so when thinking about the series in the future what parts of her characterization and such is part of the actual universe?
It doesn't matter. None of it does. The stakes are non-existent since she can complain to the manager at any time and change the story and outcome. A true Karen.
I agree now we don’t even know what the canon even is since all that happened
The finale means that the assembled shows aren't actually documentaries about the making of the film's, they're actually a part of the Marvel multiverse where K.E.V.I.N runs everything.
I am totally on board for that multiverse.
But like… In a world where super heroes don’t exist but for some reason nobody is surprised to see a whole ass She-Hulk stomping around, there’s a company that hires normal humans to play their super-powered variant selves in exact enactments of real-life events from the latter variant’s dimension(s)? And somehow during the production of these re-enactments they can control the events unfolding in the realities they’re depicting?
Also, and maybe more importantly, in the Marvel-Studios-having dimension in the show, there’s a robot instead of or as well as the human Kevin Feige (based on what we’ve seen in the show, and on the assumption that the K.E.V.I.N bot as portrayed doesn’t exist in our dimension), and She-Hulk still comments to a camera, which means she’s using her ability to break the 4th Wall not just to communicate with us, but freely navigate the multiverse as depicted in the MCU.
@@jmilr
Or she THINKS she is. She may not have as much agency as she thinks she does, and I think that's what they're hinting at by the end.
She's already been told she'll never be able to confront KEVIN again.
No, they're still documentaries and we all live in the reality where K.E.V.I.N. runs everything.
No that's actually reality. You think K.E.V.I.N. isn't really a robot?
never imagined I'd hear Daredevil called a "root rat" but here we are. well done! 😂
2:48 is an AMAZING cover from Russell Dauterman, lead penciller for Jason Aaron’s Mighty Thor run. He’s started doing these variant covers of single characters and their multitude of costumes. His Jean Grey one is my personal fave
Subverting my expectations of the blood and typical Marvel endings is awesome, but the idea to replace contrived writing with the absence of a conclusion doesn't make any sense? I loved the fourth wall break, but the idea to supplant it with no resolution is a terrible idea
Well put.
Also your style of writing and diction flow exceptionally well.
I think the overall resolution was that she accepted herself as who she is fully rather than just wanting to be regular Jen
@@bdonovable well thank you kind person in the comments, I have been writing too many essays lately and it's bleeding over lol
@@ThePandaSupreme Between the 7th and 8th episode I'd say that plot point was already resolved.
My biggest issue with the finale was that they didn't go back and give it a real conclusion after the retcon
Powerless started as a sitcom about people living in a world of superheros and having to clean up after them, but quickly became a pop culture reference generator.
What James was referring to is how the show's pilot and premise was about an insurance company in the DC universe, and it became retooled to be about them working at Wayne Tech.
Bazooga!
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep What I was doing there was taking what James said and making a joke about how the show started as a pretty funny show with an interesting premise and but then forgot the entire premise and just started pumping out really lazy pop culture references instead of jokes.
I was looking forward to Powerless too back then cuz the idea was clever and could’ve worked since Superheroes destroy so much during battles and stuff
I felt bad for everyone involved, the horrible lines they had to say.
When She-Hulk broke out of the series, into Disney+, I really hoped she was going to visit other shows and movies.
I hope they do something like that someday.
Probably might have it in Deadpool 3.
Wasn't there a scene like that in Strange Brew? I seem to remember Bob & Doug running into Cylons from Battlestar Galactica...
@@kenlieck7756 great movie
Didn't Abomination also shield Jen or push her out of the way when Todd went to attack her or something? Right before Hulk smashes in from the ceiling and he attacks Abomination.
Plus when Todd was revealed and he stayed hulking out, Blonski was clearly shocked. He was only there as a "seize your own power" thing. He didn't realise he was helping a group who were all against Jen and out to get her.
Which is interesting because New Rockstar's noticed that the Wrecking Crew - the other three of them - were in the audience!
Even if the other guy left them and, even though I'm sure we all thought he was up to something, you think they would have reached out to him and told him about the event. :/ Very strange.
Tim Roth is 172 cm tall. I know this as I was a double for him in certain shots in To Kill A King while he was out of the country, and had to use the same wardrobe.
The thing that really gets me about the ending is that it shows Marvel is clearly aware of their finale problem, the CGI problem as well as the other complaints fans have yet they just play it off as a joke cause they know everyone will just eat up their products regardless.
Honestly, after Ms Marvel tried so hard to shove a world-ending threat into what SHOULD have been a smaller, lower-stakes story and imo butchered itself in the process, I was really happy to have a show that is totally okay with having low stakes and a chiller vibe.
… Your opinion but no
Went from high stakes to no stakes which I don't see as a positive. But overall I agree we need more street level stories.
@@danny87573
If you want it to be about the Superhero journey in every other Marvel movie, I guess it had no stakes.
For me, I was on the train and other things mattered to her.
@@eastvandb They don't call it a hero journey for nothing now do they? Its because its a theme that works. This show is hardly a journey. More like a trip to the supermarket.
@@danny87573
It clearly wasn't made for a person of your sensibility. You don't have to like it. It is 100% true to the source material. Some of us fucking love She-Hulk already, and the writers actually understand her comics.
The writers also fucking love comics. Like most parody, this show is rooted in a love for the comics and superhero genre, and how superheroes are used as mythology. It's just a different take on the mythology. But that's the great thing about myths. They can take multiple interpretation. Check out some of the comedic Hercules (Herakles) plays and stories. They're as ridiculous as this show is. And it didn't stop ancient Greeks from enjoying other, serious versions of Herakles. In fact, for many it increased their enjoyment. Exactly like this show does for some fans.
You don't get it, so to you it's the supermarket. Fine. Not everything has to be for you.
It's definitely for me.
This is the whole point of a multiverse, okay? They can different stories to different audiences.
Just don't take it personally that the show isn't aimed at you.
"Single female lawyer, fighting for her client. Wearing sexy mini-skirts and being self-reliant."
Lol. As soon as they mentioned it, I remembered the words. Awesome.
Why does she not simply eat her opponents?
"Ooooh hElP mE jEsUs....ooooooh oh I can't hear him my faith is gone" I WHEEZED
I loved a lot of the ideas, the casting was great, but the biggest downfall for me was that it didn’t want to commit to its concepts until the last few episodes and the editing was so bland and didn’t compliment any of the comedic elements.
nailed it, a lot of the gags wouldve thrived with a snappier editing, on the lines of Fleabag for example. the whole KEVIN scene shouldve lasted 50% less. but that would probably make the show 12 mins an episode :D
I felt it didn't want to commit to anything. I was keen for lawyer comedy or superhero comedy or 4th wall breaking show but it didn't do much of any of them and focused on clothes, weddings and spa retreats. At least it was kind of funny.
Great video! I think the point of having the '80s homage in the finale was twofold: First, after having been working all season long to distance herself from the age-old hulk smash stereotype, in episode 8 she completely lost control (being coerced into doing so), and was now waking up in prison having been reduced to the very iconic rage-fueled uncontrollable stereotype from a different era... she had been reduced to something she wasn't... and Second, to a lesser degree, having such an out-of-nowhere 4th wall break fun homage helps subtly prepare audiences to be able to swallow the upcoming BIG 4th wall break at the end of that final episode. The first one doesn't seem to have any consequences, but it serves to kind of inoculate audiences, get their tolerance built up for the upcoming serving of meta-lunacy.
If she was “reduced to something she’s not” then why did it happen in the first place? She talked down to Bruce about being able to control her rage better than him but still lost control. Regardless of if she was coerced or not it’s just another example of her being blatantly wrong in the face of people who are right and facing no consequences.
@@conormurphy4328 She'd make a great Playboy centerfold -- which would also be twofold...
She'd make a great Playboy centerfold -- which would also be twofold...
If you think the Intelligencia plot is an attack on the kind of person you are, then it almost definitely is.
That's what had me laughing before the 4th wall break, just how well they predicted dudebros would react to the show
What if me you watched the whole thing and you just didn't like the show at all in every aspect, writing, character, dialogue, consequence, comedy, hardly having any lawyering and awful CGI? That's a fair criticism, but the left wing media doesn't want honest opinions, they want applause and praise for shit work... And that's why Hollywood keeps pumping out big turds like this but blames the customers as a smoke screen for their own terrible conveyor belt content.
But yea only dude bros will dislike this show..
@@Whiteythereaper it's easy to predict people will think your show is trash when your show is trash. Usually comedic commentary is subtle and creatively works into the plot, this just felt vindictive and made no sense considering ppl that complain about genderswaps are mad at the writers not the actual characters since they do not exist and have no agency and making youtubers the main villians for some kind of personal revenge of the writers robbs she-hulk of an actual interesting story and villian.
@@DoubleO88 Found one.
@@hollandscottthomas proud intelligencia member
I've heard that shows and stuff in regards to CG is that they put more focus into making the CG in the first and last episodes better than the middle sections of the show
I expected that to be the case, but not sure if it looks that way, regarding Jen's CGI. Jen's face is a bit hit or miss, but Jen's walking is more consistently "jenky." Abomination and Banner's CGI was good. HulkKing was somewhere in the middle (I was really hoping he was going to explode into goo). Skaar and Jen's CGI essentially the same level of terrible.
Makes sense. First and last episodes need to be presented no matter how many "filler" episodes are green-lit or canned.
Usually what you do to get your pilot episode get the show approved and the last episode helps getting second season green lit. I’m not holding my breathe for the 2nd episode lolol
Am I the only one who doesn't like her hair at all. It seems like hulk has so much detain in the hair and while she hulk not so much.
@@bdonovable To be fair, it's much easier to make a face with stubble like Hulk's look realistic than She Hulk's smoother face because the more subtle texturing on a smooth face is less likely to survive compression, so even if the VFX is perfect, She Hulk's face is more likely to look plastic-y.
I liked daredevil on this show but I heard/read a lot of people complaining about how he's been disneyfied and already saying they don't have much hope for his show. I think more than disneyfied he's been she-hulkizied. And I think that's ok. It's a she-hulk show. If you pick a she-hulk comic featuring daredevil he won't be frank miller's daredevil. He won't be dealing with karen page's drug addiction. He'll probably be dealing with a light situation. And that's what I loved about seeing matt on this show.
I love the netflix show as much as the next guy, but that show was so dark that he was never not being shitted on by the universe, and ideally he won't have time to chill in born again either. So I like seeing him here just chilling. Charlie Cox is so adorable that who can complain about seeing him win a case, having a short and not difficult at all hallway fight, hooking up with a girl and going to a family dinner?
I just like seeing my little devil smiling for a change.
100% agree
LITERALLY. Obvs most mcu fans haven't read comics but like . . . that's how comics work.
YES. Even in his own titles there's a fun side to DD, especially when he teams up with someone like Spidey.
But problem here, she isn’t even She Hulk lol
@@brianstiles1701 I think the time I laughed the most reading a DD comic was one time when he teamed up with spiderman and matt told him he hated working with him because he needs to listen stuff and peter never shuts up.
He had to tell him to be quiet like five different times.
To be fair, DD's spatial awareness allows him to predict his opponents movements which is why he's able to keep up with Her
Absolutely.
I thought they made a great visual case for why he could hold his own with her. Especially with his breadth of previous fight experience and he was Acrobatic Daredevil!
Absolutely not.
Predicting is the Midnighter's thing, who I urgently need a show about.
Daredevil reacts.
she hulk can't fight
@@needfoolthings But someone could just say that Daredevil is reacting to hearing the blood in their veins go to different muscles so he knows in advance what they're physically about to do.
@@e.d.5766 he also has the ability to predict when someone is going to sneak out a fart, allowing him to clear the room before it reaches his super smell.
The intro to the last episode was my favourite part of the whole series haha so cheesy and fun
I think the reason the CGI looked so atrocious in the middle episodes is because she had to wear the massive late 90s NBA press conference style suits, as Maso calls them (or NFL player addressing a DUI suits as Mallory calls them), and they just made her look completely off. But the first episode she's in her office and has a normal suit, she looks great.
I disagree, the issues with her CGI are like literally simple things like the fidelity of her hair, skin details, lighting, etc.
Just stuff the effects team didn't have the proper amount of time (or money perhaps) to perfect. It's not uncommon for TV shows like this to focus production on more important episodes like the first or the finale.
It's just a large men's suit because that's all she can get to fit her She-Hulk body. I thought it was great visual story telling.
Uhmmm... no, I mean yes, she's supposed to be wearing ugly grey men suits, but the problem is that they look like cheap plastc-y CGI suits from the early 2000s. The CGI in this show was absolutely dreadful, no way around it.
You are absolutely right. Loose fabric is much harder to get realistic, than a tight form fitting out for CGI animation.
Yes, she always looks off in that lawyer getup with her in the suits and tied-up hair and everything. Her CG almost always looks better outside of that
15:47 I think this is the best way to describe MCU Skaar as of now
Every single time I hear She-Hulk the little Jess Perkins voice comes giggling in my head.
"She-Hulk?!" 😂😂😂
I just can’t get over that whole banter and it's been years since that Do Go On ep. 😆
Do you know what episode it is? Would like to listen to it
@@mateogaviria4654 the Superman ep with Maso (ep57) then there's episode 138 where Maso came back and they each chose a marvel character to talk about and of course Jess chose SHE-HULK! 😆😂
@@Tree Haven't listened to either one so I know what I'll be doing later today, thanks!
@@mateogaviria4654 I had to listen again when she-hulk came out 😆😆 the whole thing is pretty funny and Maso's reports are always the best! (He's the fifth Beatle after all)
This show had it's moments like The Daredevil Episode but this as a whole didn't work for me. I do hope that Skaar leads into World War Hulk.
I hope Skarrs introduction was a fakeout, cause that ending felt rushed and basically a parody.
@@Clay3613 I do hope to get another hulk movie. Hope to also get Daredevil, Spidey, She Hulk Vs Kingpin In Daredevil: Born Again.
Think She-Hulk would have been better if they have actually lawyer's as reference for the court cases.
I’m baffled the writers thought she should’ve gotten lawyer of the year when she lost nearly every case and was on trial herself, like what?
@@StarlingInSpace So much of this show was just calling stuff out. That was probably no different evidenced by everyone winning. Female lawyer of the year, for lawyers that work on a certain street, who are prepared to attend their gala and pay $1000 a ticket.
They did though, David Otunga was involved
@@StarlingInSpace The in-universe reason is probably because she is the only person really taking on these superhuman cases
@@Shizzy5321 Then that’s a dumb reason lol
She was awesome in Orphan Black but I personally didn’t really care for Shehulk
I have to point out to our Gr8 M8 Cult Leaders, that the reason they chose to play the old, INCREDIBLE HULK remake-intro was due to the fact that in the prior episode, She Hulk had a public, raging outburst from a legit cause. However, to the people in the show, it looked like she was raging because she is “a hulk and that’s what hulks do.” So that’s how the public in the show saw her, a Savage She-Hulk.
Keep up Grates coming, M8’s!
I liked that the villains were the people that hated her instead of some random villain with a deeper plan. It's a sitcom. She doesn't need to save the world each season.
"This is my son. He's from Sakaar. I've called him Skaar"
“Scar? But he doesn’t have any cuts or burn marks on him at all.”
“No, no, Skaar. With a K and two A’s”
Now that Deadpool is coming to the MCU, there's gonna be a scene where Deadpool looks at the camera and makes a sarcastic quip, then it switches cameras and She-Hulk looks at the camera and says, "Who is he talking to?"
God please no
@@EddyA1337 I'm sorry. It is inevitable.
I don't think they need the combination, but he'll def mention her. Especially to claim be did it first
@@CityPlannerPlaysChair But She-Hulk did do it first?
@@Shizzy5321 counting the Deadpool movies he did it first
I’m glad this show has its fans but I just couldn’t get onboard with the specific brand of humour. I’ve never been a fan of things like Kimmy Schmidt, Superstore or Girls5eva either.
I’ve never watched or heard of those shows you mentioned and loved it.
@@mmmghool My wife is a fan. It goes both ways though because she ends up watching things like House of the Dragon even though it’s not in her wheelhouse.
@@shelbyvillerules9962 can’t judge people for not having good taste I guess
@@conormurphy4328 Yeah, that’s why I said I’m glad the show has its fans.
I liked that someone actually praised Tatiana’s performance for once it always goes unmentioned.
She’s genuinely fantastic in this. Perfect casting.
I tend to notice that most assestions of the show, be it positive or negative, barely comment on Tatiana's performance which I find rare for an MCU lead performance.
@@themadtitan7603 yes and she rlly deserves it cuz she’s a rlly strong lead and by far the best part of the series because she’s a great flawed character with clear desires and a drive
That's weird, because on virtually every hate review I've seen, they've taken a moment to compliment Tantiana's acting ability as a positive burdened by the surrounding terribleness.
The root rat poster edit had me dyinggg😭
The resolution of the last episode felt a little too deus ex machina for me. I wish that after Kevin, they’d done a rewind and actually showed how Jen solved the issue in a preferable way rather than flashing forward to everything being resolved.
Other than that (and the hit/miss CGI) I thought the show was fairly charming and entertaining. Hope they do a season 2.
The deus ex machina is the joke, Jen wanted a happy ending that transitioned the cheapest way possible
@@Whiteythereaper I totally get that part, but the heart of the joke was that she wanted an ending that was more focused on her journey and struggle and not a bunch of ppl coming in to save her with big spectacle. We never got to see her actually resolve her stakes. They erased the messiness but didn’t replace it with anything; they just jumped to the denouement. I feel like the joke would have landed better if we got to then see Jen resolve her stakes in a way that felt personal to her. Instead we didn’t get to see her resolve anything at all (apart from chatting with Kevin).
It’s a minor quibble, and the show is still good on the whole. I just think Jen having more agency within her world (rather than outside of the “4th wall”) in the finale would have made it even better.
I found the meta moment of pointing out how bad the last episode was, came across as ironic. As if it implies that the creators took advantage of the '4th wall' breaking aspect of the character and used it as an excuse to write something poor.
Pointing out how bad something is doesn't automatically make it less bad.
Seems like the reason they used the old Hulk homage was because in the previous episode she finally lost her cool and the world saw her as a "Hulk".
James, I love that you noticed so many things! Mason better pick up the slack sometime soon though!
The only thing missing from the ‘I hate this’ thumbnail is red lens flare eyes.
Funny thing about your closing comment: The Flash actually ran through the Speed-Force once for so long and far and such powerful velocity that he literally disappeared from DC Comics for a short time, and in that meantime, Marvel Comics was having a race between all its speedsters--Wizz, Quicksilver, etc. and mid-race someone erupted into it out of nowhere like an explosive thunder shock and swept the competition easily without even trying. He came to, dazed, confused, wearing what was left of some red pants and yellow boots, and unsure of what was going on or his name, calling himself "Burried Alien" uncertainly. The judges and other runners congratulated him, as the host asked him how it felt to know he was now the "Fastest man alive"? He responded saying "It feels...right." He soon zoomed himself out of there and was never seen again. He basically spent a few months surviving on the pure energy of the Speed-Forece, and literally broke into another multiverse and back.
18:01 that Single Female Lawyer reference makes me want to watch Futurama again.
I think the 70s intro should have been a Saul Goodman-esk commercial for Jen, as she goes out to start her own practice.
LOL! This whole season of She Hulk I have not been able to get Bender's voice singing, "Single Female Lawyer..." out of my head! Thanks for validating me! LMAO! XD
The Kevin thing was ruined to me by subtitles :(
Same. K.E.V.I.N.
It was clear we were about to meet some AI bot.
I'm still not sure how I felt about this. I wanted to like it but it was a bit meh. The middle of the series felt like it was a bit lost. And the end I thought started off clever but went a bit far and I started to just check out. Then I kinda wondered if I coukd take it seriously if they didn't seem to be.
I could never get on with Daredevils new costume. Hated the yellow look in the comics too. And I wasn't ready for Charlie Cox's new lighter goofier portrayal of Matt Murdoch.
I liked it, not great by any means, rushed the start, ruined the end, but the character, dialogue and tone was exactly what I was hoping for. Also I'm excited to see what a second season decides to do. At the end of the day youve got two choices, you either see Daredevil doing the walk of shame and think 'that would be a fun throwaway panel in the comics' or you can think 'they ruined Daredevil'
1) I think this show was great because it was like my favorite run of the comics for She Hulk.
2) That being said, I am still a movie fan and I keep thinking of the following.
--Was it necessary to spend part of Shang Shi's budget to make that Abomination model? Could we not have used that money to give Shang Shi better fights or story? Shang shi was good, but I would rather recycle from the movies than burn the movies for the Disney Plus material.
--The 4th wall break was risky for the MCU. But we could explain it with a psychic or something. Like She Hulk's mind is being read the whole series and the 4th wall breaks are a symptom of her realizing her mind is being read (And yes, this is kind a thing in the dream sequence in Captain Marvel and yes, that is the only scene I loved from CM. Knowing myself I am probably gonna take a huge shit on MCU-CM in just a minute, but want to call a good thing a good thing). Anyway.............like if the psychic turned out to be...................the Ring Master from the circus of crime or the LONG OVERDUE The Leader using a mind probe, that would be great. It would be too expensive to make Xemnu or another monster (but who knows how hard it would be to put fur on a CGI Hulk or Groot nowadays. I have expect thye Abomination to just be a recolor of Coal Obsidian from the neck down).
--would have been a great opurtunity to take care of plot holes from other MCU movies as gag court cases. Howard the Duck fighting for US citizenship? Maybe reveal the bad Inhumans show IS A SHOW in universe and the reveal Inhumans came to earth to sue? The vision trying for a dramatic lawsuit with the US government for his resurrection and exploitation (and thus explaining why he was gone from Dr Strange 2. A dramatic irony of him trying to rebuild is life while his wife/widow goes insane {and thus rolling the drama forward into future interest rather than letting it die right there)? Maybe a skrull whistle blower leading up to secret invasion?
Point there: so much potential in the library of ideas and effects they have.
3) Yeah, Jenn minimizing Bruce's mental suffering with her generic glass ceiling issues is still shitty. Not gonna lie, sucks to be an average white woman compared to an average white man and it is 99% average white man's fault, but when your dad murders your mom in front of you, your father in law sends the army after you, you are afraid you will kill people if you get mad or excited, you tried and failed to kill yourself, you had a hand in the robot apocalypse, you slip into a coma for 2 years as your second personality hijacks your life, you watch the land of gods die JUST IN TIME to get bodied by Thanos (and you know he had been saying to himself "I could have stopped him before he got the stones" all those years during the blip), and THEN failed to bring Natasha back to life while breaking his arm......................................yeah, no amount of Me Too hashtags is gonna level with that. I am sorry Jenn, your life is better than Bruce's. If you disagree, ask your dad to kill your mom and never have sex again out of fear your other self will kill OH WAIT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. (But seriously, the She Hulk show is great. This is just me telling a joke poorly).
I 1000% had several spy magazines as a kid and ordered gadgets from its catalogue. Sunglasses with mirrored sides so you could see behind you was the best, wish I still had them
I still have a pair I got from a field trip nearly 10 years ago
Marvel decided to change things up by making another comedy where the every charcter is the comic relief.
To write comedy they should've tried and write something actively funny but this series sure as hell wasn't it
The homage to the Hulk show intro was basically just a stylised recap, as the final episode didn't have a recap. It's fun considering the tone and meta nature of the show and coz Jen was asleep
My biggest complaint is that, with the way they handled the finale, nothing else in the show mattered. It really felt like a waste. Now I'm wondering if She-Hulk can do that whenever she wants. She never faced any real challenges throughout the season either.
Right? I'm trying to understand why people can say they like this show? The ending made everything pointless. Is it that much of a difference of taste? Like being a furry or not being a furry, having no middle ground?
But that is what Marvel, DC and all comics have done for all time. A villain is vanquished by Batman, and then he escapes from prison and comes back again. A bad guy is beaten by Spider-Man, and then comes back a few episodes later. Hero dies, but no, he’s not dead he’s frozen in ice. This is what they do for the last 100 years of comics or any action hero franchise. Don’t even get me started on the “Multiverse” or the evil twin that comes back later. So yeah it was perfect the way the show ended because none of these shows matter. In Avengers half the entire universe was killed, but thanks to you time travel we can fix it all and bring everyone back. There’s never any real cost for the heroes, and nothing is ever at stake.
@@kylecurryyt Black Widow. An Avenger that sacrificed herself and doesn't come back.
Avengers, civilians die and our heros feel grief for not saving everyone.
Stakes!!!
@@dennydude Yet. Black widow did not come back yet. But I guarantee you there’s a multi-verse version of her that will come back one day.
@@kylecurryyt There's still fallout, though. Yes, they brought (mostly) everyone back, but the world is still dealing with losing everyone for five years. In She-Hulk, the blood plot disappeared, Josh is never seen again, and She-Hulk never really faced a challenge. Wrecking Crew? She solos them with no problem. Titania? She's treated as a joke. Intellegencia? Let's just have K.E.V.I.N. rewrite everything during the finale.
Extraordinary Attorney Woo was 16 episodes and it really was an incredible show from beginning to end. so I'm excited for 16 episodes of Daredevil
The Flash did make it into the Marvel universe in the comics
He arrived with amnesia (if I remember correctly) & they named him "Buried Alien" in reference to his actual name "Barry Allen" 🤣
He came over in the JLA/Avengers crossover books. If I recall, as soon as he came over, he lost his powers because there was no speed force in the marvel universe. As he was in his suit he was immediately set upon by angry anti-mutant protestors.
@@AlexRoberts1981
Yeah, that sounds about right
This video aged well.
Hugh Jackman will be playing wolverine in deadpool 3!
I had a blast watching this series but it had issues for me and all those issues boil down to one single issue: the show didn't really have enough time to flesh anything out. I felt like I was watching a recap or a best bits video of a longer, really great She Hulk show. Like some fan on TH-cam took all their favorite clips and made a channel dedicated to it.
And the ending implies the fault is the studio wanting them to shoe horn in a bunch of stuff they never wanted to include, like a blood plot or Hulk's Sakaar introduction, while also giving them only 9 half hour episodes, which is less than half the time their other tv shows got. So the writers just made a show that ending up being them telling the audience THEY WON'T LET US MAKE THE SHOW WE WANTED the entire time.
Like I said, I enjoyed watching and there were things I loved. Some people hated that Matt was out of the suit in the last episode, but I loved to see him happily pretending he was her boyfriend at the bbq. I loved the supporting cast and I especially loved the (very little) actually lawyering we got. I wanted more and I want more. I hope they get a season 2 and I hope it's longer.
I keep hearing critics yell about how these series are too long and the truth is that this is what happens when things are shortened when they either shouldn't or don't have to be. There was not enough time for them to do anything substantial in this series and it's an absolute shame because what we got was so fun. It was a "fun lawyer show" but we got maybe 2 episodes of actual lawyering, and we spend 5 episodes talking about her personal life, 2 of which are absolute filler and could be taken out. And it wouldn't feel that way if the episodes were longer or there were more of them.
I think there is a major disconnect there between critics and most audience members, because the only people I hear asking for shorter seasons/episodes are critics, and I think it's because of the amount of media they are forced to consume. Most audience members are picky and have the time to dedicate to a 10-15 episode story arch, whereas critics feel compelled to watch everything because it's their job and that would get absolutely overwhelming. So anytime a professional film critic whines about episodes or seasons being too long, I honestly raise an eyebrow and dismiss it. For the people these studios make money off of (the audience, not the critics), it's not actually applicable.
Anyway, loved the show despite obvious, fixable flaws. Want more. Season 2 please. More episodes please.
Agreed! I loved it so much, but it felt a little held back at times? Like you said, like it was snippets of an incredible show and it just makes you want to see the whole thing. If they'd given it room to breathe and develop it would have been one of my favourite shows ever- as it is I still thoroughly enjoyed it and am delighted by the breath of fresh air it brings. 😊
That Daredevil poster! Another masterpiece!
This is the only channel I watch about superhero stuff, you always give the positives and negatives whilst not taking anything too seriously and having a laugh!
There's way too many 'the quartering' types of channels out there that are insufferably negative that I'm glad there is something out there for sane people 🙏
You can’t polish a turd.
I would agree with you, and them, on more than I disagree. However, I could have told you 4 months ago how they would review this show. Despite all of their work, when it comes to a specific area, they will not cut into it out of either fear of backlash or being cut off. It doesn't surprise me, for example, why you won't find any current comments by them on the Amazon nightmare of Rings of Power or even going back in the time machine any after the fact addressment of Ghost in the Shell beyond the pre-production video.
They are very very careful to avoid any objectively bad work which has female leads or is in the ideological sphere they subscribe. That's cool. I don't mind it, and I still watch a lot of their content because it is entertaining and insightful at times. However, I would never rely on their opinions as a singular "truth" as it were. She-Hulk and their real lack of criticism is exactly why for example. And now, a short time later, that it was openly stated they did a shit job with the show just to antagonize people makes it even worse. In that case, I'm not sure what is worse, the fact that it essentially validates all of the criticism or invalidates all of the supporters.
@@cz75fanatic You're over thinking things. They enjoyed the show, and saw faults. Please don't depend on anyone's opinion as a "truth." That's not what opinions are.
I think that 70s intro was put at the start of the final episode because the previous episode was the only one that ended with She-Hulk being a rage monster. I don't think the intro works for regular woman but taller and greener She-Hulk.
I just can't believe with all the little cameo easter eggs, that they didn't manage to sneak Corn of Coblin into one of the episodes.
Right???!
Hulk is actually easier to render because he has more facial definition. He has wrinkles, stubble, depth of field because he wears glasses, etc. It's hard to do a female face because they are much smoother rendering the design smoother. Limiting texture. If she looked too textured her skin would look gross imo so it's a hard line to walk
Skaar has brought whole new meaning to “Hulk smash” and it’s a disturbing thought
I really thought episode 8 was the final one. Had to go back actually watch episode 9 because I couldn't figure out what you guys were talking about. Lol
Anyone know the name of the movie shown at 5:53?
Werewolf by night
I mean they _knew_ the writing was bad, but instead of hiring a script doctor, they just indulged in 4th wall breaking meta wankery for the ending. Come on guys, hire better writers! You have all the money in the world, you can afford it!
Special effects aside (because I really empathize with the enslaved VFX artists), the character arcs were atrocious! How did her character evolve over time? She starts and ends the series as the exact same character. No evolution, no growth. The thing that made phases 1-3 of the MCU feel interesting was the character arcs between the movies.
Why hire other writers when you can give others a shot at building their experience? It's a low stakes job, they're not gonna get like Marcus & McFeely to write it
That is how it totally felt. They had no ending or real direction so they just scrapped everything they already did.
@@Whiteythereaper they charged me $10/mo so I could have the privilege of watching them _build their experience_ ? Nah mate, hold these giant multinational corporations to higher standards. They hired first time writers because they are cheaper and will bend more easily to shareholder demands.
Imma rewatch Werewolf by Night!!! 🌕🐺
I liked all the fourth wall breaking, I just wish they were more consistent with them and had more in earlier episodes. Just like Ms Marvel I love the drawing animation stuff that was big in the first and last episodes but too little in the middle
The Porcupine's redemption arc in Gruenwald's Captain America is one of the best superhero comics I've ever read.
I think the classic redone intro being at the beginning of the last episode made sense in a couple ways.
1. Hulk up until the MCU has been mostly portrayed as a "Monster" in film and TV, in this moment in she hulk she has just had her first public rage hulk moment, and the public and justice dept are seeing her as a monster. (Side note i also think this brilliantly ties back what bruce was warning about in the first episode)
2. I may be speaking for myself, but watching an intro for a super hero show always got me hyped, like in a sense of "Oh wow, the hero is gonna hero lets gooo", which then contrasts with the immediate next shot of her in the same cell blonsky was in.
Yeah!
Missed opportunity when Parks and Rec was mentioned to flash a clip of Tatiana Maslany’s guest appearance on the show 😆
Oh my god! I totally forgot she was on Parks & Rec!
Oh what role did she play?
@@spartanB0292 She was Tom's little doctor girlfriend from Doctors without Borders
@@jimthorne9585 I remember the setup but not the performance itself. Hmmm. Maybe I can find some clips online
@@spartanB0292 She was cute as a damn button in that role
The little podcast where the one writer who basically said she threw a huge tantrum and quit (but came back because her friend pleaded with Feige and I guess he didn't want to be ousted as a misogynist) over the K.E.V.I.N robot having a ball cap (which Feige didn't want because it didn't make any logical sense at all, like much of the series) basically summed up why I had issues with this show.
If they had focused on the show making sense, it would have been fine to me. They can make whoever the enemy, they can poke fun at whatever they want like every other show does, I don't care...the issue was always the moments where they tried to show how much better she was/the plot just not making sense of why they went from point A to point B so quickly. If they went after writers who have shown they can write stories, this would have been a hit (even with the overdone jokes/cliché moments that Hollywood has been using for the last 8 years or so).
It also succeeded in being the first time I saw a finale without an actual climax or final battle... unless you count she hulk vs random security guards... I don't
Is K.E.V.I.N. the MCU version of The One Above All? He seems that way
I have questions about this Kevin robot. What is Age of Ultron? is it the Kevin robot trying to work out how its place in the world? good robot vs bad robot, is Vision a self insert character of the Kevin robot?
I like the idea of Vision being a self insert character lmao
My biggest gripe is how dirty they did they Wrecking Crew. Also, was that Edward Norton in the production meeting?
Hey guys, I just wanted to share the fact you that a pre-crisis Barry Allen is stuck in the Marvel universe with amnesia and goes by Buried Alien, really cool story you guys should check out
For the earlier episodes her hair had a green tint and I think we're so used to seeing green around someone as bad effects.
I mean it was kinda bad lol. Even her black hair isn't the best it needs more texture for sure.
@@cngotham4111 wtf are you talking about? it had layers and threads. it's some of the best CG hair i've seen
@@hollandscottthomas bruh the best CGI hair you've seen? It needed more texture sure it was wavy and alright but it definitely didn't look close to real hair. Hulk's hair is 10 times better with hair literally do a comparison you can tell hulk has way more texture then she-hulks.
Shoutout to the editing where Mason says "some people don't like sitcoms" and the b-roll shows Wanda (who loves sitcoms as a plot point in WandaVision) looking confused 👌
♥♥♥
I wonder if it's a case of irony/nostalgia poisoning, that people can enjoy when sitcoms are referenced and parodied, but not when they're actually created.
The sitcom as a modern TV format is kinda gone now, compared to the pre-streaming era, so I'm curious if that has anything to do with peoples' relationship to it as a medium.
Wow the first people online to actually publicly like the show and not hate on it.
This is why I'm subbed.
No hate on it, they just enjoyed it
Can anyone share who the artist is of that She-Hulk collage at 2:49 please / thanks!
Russell Dauterman 💚
Thank you! 🙏☺ @@rawcollings
To me the series didn't work because it failed to ever get me to like its main character. Now, I love She Hulk from the comics, but it felt like the only things they brought into the show were that she's funny and breaks the fourth wall. Aside from that, she came across to me as very selfish, insecure, and irresponsible, which is nothing like her comics counterpart. I was waiting for a character arc where she would learn from her mistakes and grow as a person, but that never happened.
Isn’t her being irresponsible part of her arc in the 2004 comics? She gets fired from The Avengers partially because she keeps breaking Avengers security protocols so she can bring her boyfriends in at night
I wasn't a fan of a lot of it, but I have to say I loved the ending. We all have different opinions, and this is mine. I understand the criticism, I think most of it is valid, and some of it is just too much, but it is what it is.
Would I like another season? Let's just say I think other shows could use the budget instead. Would I like to see more of She Hulk, both in series and movies. Yes.
I'm just glad that non-Australians get to hear the term "root rat"
I just remember that fight choreography in the court where the bad guys fighting a guard for ages in the background when she had super strength 😂
We just not gonna talk about the sokovia accords being repealed?
It's pretty unimportant. Just a way to not have to deal with them moving forward on future movies.
“That’s just lazy writing”
I sent a text to my brother after seeing the last episode where I said “I really hope they’re making this bad & predictable on purpose” so I was partially over the moon the bad writing was canon. But also it doesn’t excuse having to make so much of the season unbearable (for me, I’m glad people enjoyed it though)
Technically the finale never explained the whole series tho. It's just the finale that Jen felt like it doesn't makes sense since people dropping into the building lol. But yeah, it can't excuse them for such a boring episodes beforehand
5:38 I can't help but notice that Kevin's shape from the side actually resembles that of a human skull. Deliberate decision much?
I just don’t know how people have so much energy to hate something as much as they hate she hulk, I saw the trailers and immediately knew this wasn’t for me, I just steered clear from it and never talked about it, but people seem to NEED to have an opinion on this show
Woman bad
Because the show and the cast made it very clear that if you didn’t like it then your a women hater
Fr people will watch something they know they won't like just to complain lol
Fr like there’s been a few phase 4 projects that I’m not a fan of but I’m not bitching and popping blood vessels about them online lmao
Bad things need to be criticized
It really was like Single Female lawyer 😂.
I feel like them jumping away from any fight to them being arrested is similar to Moonknight skipping the final fight with Shaw.
Having watched a few of those deep impact font “I hate this” reviews, it’s nice to hear a different opinion about this show. I still didn’t like it, but hearing frog man and mr. Killhimself’s thoughts gives me pause