Lucid Air Road Trip FL To CT Finale: Non-Tesla CCS Charging In The USA Is Horrendous!
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- Join Dave and his pup Bailey on Part 2 of their road trip from Florida to CT where they deal with some horrible charging sessions using the Electrify America Network. While the Lucid Air is proving to be an awesome car, the limitation is the CCS network for road tripping. It is said that in any high end stereo system (audiophile level sound), the system is only as good as it's weakest link. In this example of car plus charging network, the CCS Electrify America network is truly the weakest link on this road trip. Let's hope that things improve over time with the network. Imagine if you were to buy an incredible gas powered car that the dealer tells you that it will be very difficult for you to find good fuel for it while on a road trip. Would you buy it? Unfortunately, that is the situation for all non-Tesla cars at this point in time.
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It's painful to watch your struggles road tripping with this CCS vehicle. Thanks for taking the time to document your saga, raising awareness of the issues surrounding the CCS charging infrastructure on the East Coast.
In Italy/Europe, I am a MY LFP owner, third party charging network is very good indeed...fast chargers, good availability, almost always all working...most of all ionity and Ewiva networks, but they are a joint venture with big car companies like Mercedes, Ford and Volkswagen...and this is proof of quality...of course SuperCharegers are the best for road tripping...I can cross all my country, Italy is relatively small compared to big european countries and of course no match with whole USA, so EV road tripping is easy...as I was saying...I can do 1200km with just 3 charges in SUC or whatever...no pain...very comfortable...hoping to see Lucid models in europe asap!!
Road tripping in a Tesla is better but still does not compare to a Gas car.
The conversations with Bailey is why I come here. Out of Spec Bailey!
I can see Dave is going back to model s or x. This is ridiculous.
I bet it’s sold already. S or X picked up.
"The best part of my stay is this cup of coffee and the fact I am leaving right now!" That cracked me up..great sense of humour Dave, will keep watching the rest of the video now
Painful. No one beats Tesla.
@@teslarex for the charging experience, definitely!
That is the exact reason I keep buying Tesla. I have been a Tesla owner since 2015 and never have experienced these kind of issues. It is sad to see that public charging is so bad.
Yeah if I was buying a full BEV, there is no way I would buy anything but a Tesla. Otherwise I would just get a good PHEV. Maybe 5 years from now things will be better
So true! I have both an Etron SB and a Model S. I will not even dream about taking my Etron for a road trip lol. The stress 😬
@@Abito1075 I was out and about on the westside of Los Angeles during peak hours and thought to myself. "I'm going to charge at Electrify America today!" Once I pull up the driveway. I see someone jumping from charger to charger. I said to myself "No big deal. it's just the two of us here" Boy was I wrong. out of the 6 or so chargers that were there. Only one was working. To make matters worse the one charger that was working was on our side, and the Audi owner took ours and I noticed her stall had that prompt to call EA customer support.
The lucid is a beautiful car, and probably much more efficient than most EVs out there. Even with its super fast charging capability, it’s probably more frustrating to use than that SR Model 3 with its modest charging speed. I also think EA is a scam. It was established to satiate a legal outcome…never intended to provide best customer experience. And, this shows in almost every session. Thanks Dave.
Bingo
I think the Lucid would have better range if it shed more weight. Personally I think of the Lucid touring as a “boat” for “grandpas” not unlike the Caddies of old. Dave, I think you and Bailey should do a road trip with Kathy’s new Model Y, then do a comparison. Not only is the Y a great daily driver, I believe it is a fabulous road tripper.
Red Roof Inn? WTF Dave…likely the only Lucid that will ever be parked at one 😅
And this is why I got a Model S Plaid. The Lucid is great, but if this is the charging network I have to deal with, no thanks.
I agree. I’m looking into getting a plaid model S or X only because of the charging infrastructure. Otherwise, I would’ve bought the Lucid Air GT. I’m glad I seen this video
Road tripping a Model X Plaid has been absolutely amazing. Quick acceleration, great ride position, air suspension, and great 250 kW chargers everywhere!
You downgraded yourself big time by buying Plaid vs Lucid.
@@johnreed5056 Not according to this video. Reality vs marketing hype. Tesla just works.
@@johnreed5056 lol. Right!
The CCS network is an embarrassment. I miss my EV6, but have no regrets trading in for a MY.
Thank You Dave for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste.. 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤
This is why Tesla will continue to dominate. Charging network is key.
The next big quetion is: How is the $7 billion federal ev charging infrastructure money going to be spent? We certainly don't need more EA chargers with generation 1 or 2 technology. We need the better, more reliable generation 3-4 like Europe has. Has this question been addressed anywhere?
I have been using Tesla superchargers in many states, frequently for over 4 years now and not once encountered one that was undergoing a "software upgrade/maintenance". That is the main reason I stay with Tesla and haven't really considered other EVs. I could not deal with the stress of wondering whether you will have enough charge to make it to the next charging station, or wondering even if that station will work or have extremely limited charging ability.
It’s completely insane to me that you have to call a Lucid rep for a “reset” to fix a totally locked down car. That has to be a button you can press at any time.
What if your phone doesn’t have connection? Game over? I could not handle that anxiety.
Watching yours and Kyles Videos I realize I am so lucky to live in Europe. Sure, our regulators migt slow down autonomous driving (for safety reasons) but then again we dont have to deal with all your problems. When I was younger, livin in the US was like a dream. From dish washer to millionaire, the American Dream...
But more and more people realize that we have it pretty good over here, no shootings, almost no homeless people, no working people sleeping in their car, "free" healthcare and thank god, better chargers :D Sure we pay a lot of taxes but I am so grateful at the moment. Thank you Dave^^
Oh the agony Dave. I feel your pain. I went to Yuma AZ and stopped at a new Tesla supercharger in Dateland AZ. 40 250 chargers powered by solar panels and battery packs and I was the only one there charging.
LOL! A Lucid parked at a Red Roof Inn!
Did you see all the other high end vehicles that were there? Yeah, neither did I. There's a reason. Dave, there are better hotels that also allow pets!
Another Great video Dave! Love the Dairy Queen cone! Wonderful content! ❤ thank you for sharing your trip!
Thanks for the information. The unfortunate question is will the CCS network ever improve. I rarely plug into a 350 charger anymore. Seems like the 150’s are more consistent. Granted I drive a G80 EV and charger hopping is a norm for me. You have definitely exposed the 95 corridor to a broader audience!
Loved this video, Dave! Lots of humor even as we felt your frustrations. Can’t wait, I take delivery of my white Model 3 Weds!!
Greatest Tesla commercial ever!! I'll stick with my '22 Model S
Sleepy Bailey at 3:13 is too cute.
Thanks for your pioneering efforts. In time, I sure hope the software and charging infrastructure get a LOT better. Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤
Elon just called…..he wants to know where to send the check. States you run an awesome Tesla Ad! 😊
That was a fascinating ride. Good content.
Wow Dave. At 30 minutes into the video I was frustrated for you. I can’t imagine the feeling of having to cover all those miles and not get a good charging session. I commend you for staying so composed…not sure I could do the same! 😂 Your Lucid is a beautiful road tripping machine. Too bad the networks let it down. Great video!
Hey Dave, love drinking my coffee in the mornings and watching your videos! Also, all Hilton properties now accept pets…..for our road trips we prefer Hampton Inns, most of them are lovely. If they aren’t available, then the next lower tier that accepts dogs is La Quinta. 😊
I see a potential animated series here... 'Stuckey, Buc-ee, and Pedro Live In a Traffic Jam'.
I have a Model Y and occasionally go to our local Walmart to test the EA chargers there. I did this on March 10 and the chargers had the same limited charging message on them then. That means they have been down for over a month. One wonders why it’s taking so long to get them straightened out. Incidentally, these chargers are also on the 95 corridor (Stafford, VA). I kind of feel sorry for one of my neighbors who just bought a beautiful Mercedes EQS sedan. He said he’s planning a road trip in the near future.
Why not just stick with Tesla superchargers lol
Dave this was an adventure to say the least. You should Patent your plug in style and call it the Dave maneuver.
On your next trip, consider from the Delaware Bridge using Rt 301 thru Annapolis all the way down almost to Richmond Va. It bypasses all the backups and tolls around Baltimore/Washington. A nice road even if it's only 2 lanes, with little traffic, and none of the crazy 'bumper car' drivers. We always hit standstill heavy traffic both ways around Quantico Va even with the express lanes.
These videos are fascinating and informative. I need to get up to speed with all the acronyms. Ccs etc. What is a good Kw charging speed?
I just drove my Lightning ER up from FL and talked to Lucid owner in Florence, SC who was struggling with connecting and speed at EA. I will say our trip was trouble free with EA. Always connected and got 175 kw peaks with steady 140 kw averages to 70-80% as needed.
We knew Brunswick sucks which could easily be researched on Plug Share. So we skipped it and made sure we could do Pooler, GA to Florence. Obviously, I had a co-pilot to research. Overall, the Lightning has been by far the most consistent charging EV I've owned.
You just confirmed to me that my next vehicle will be Tesla. Thanks for what you are doing.
I love your channel Dave! Curious why you do not try more competitive charge stations besides Electrify America? I was warned about the backup on I95 in South Carolina so I stopped in Manning SC for the night and left early in the morning to beat the backup. I was traveling in an rv but waiting for my Aptera which will be my first ev. 1:00:44
Having owned several non-Tesla "budget" EVs, I have concluded that if you want to do longer roadtrips, you should get a Tesla. It's gotten better over time here in CA, but from evrything I'm seeing, the 3rd Party "charging network" is not "there" yet.
Yep. It will be years before it’s even close to Tesla. The gov is getting involved, so we all know how that’s goi g to go
Thank you for these videos! For us non-electric techie people the big things were looking for is how long it takes to get a charge, how much out of your way does it take for you to go get a charge and how often you have issues...
None of this is an issue with a Tesla
Most chargers are pretty close to the highway. My experience has been very largely positive in charging at DC chargers. I've only waited to charge twice on road trips. I have about 20,000km on my Mach-E.
I would be trying to sell a Lucid by now. It is very apparent that EA does not have a good working model for fast charging. The only way that EV car manufacturers will solve the problem is by either creating their own networks and/or go after EA. It seems Tesla has the true working network. While the Lucid is a beautiful car with huge range, it really does not have the capabilities to do long trips without frustration. It is time for the car manufacturers to solve their problems with EA and any other electric providers or lose the sales.
I really enjoy your travels and make our decision to get a Tesla a good one. There are many nice EV but Tesla's infrastructure is by far the best one.
Delta evgo’s are my favorite so far here in chicago and Chicagoland suburbs👍 safe travels
Glad you made it home back safely. When do you pick up your Texas built Y?
And it really seems like the only Signet Surge issues are with the Lucid.
Dave, I think Bailey is deaf. You need to check his hearing.
Dave after hearing your glowing review of the red roof inn i have already booked a room for the wife and i :) Sounds almost as nice as the motel 6 in St Paul, MN.
😂
the hyperfast stickers are hilarious
Don’t blame Dave’s beautiful Lucid…..it’s the lousy charging network. I wish Tesla would accelerate MagicDock installations.
Why would Tesla want to do that? Their choice is between making pennies on charging or thousands of dollars on each car sold. Until the CCS people get their act together Tesla has a huge advantage over their competitors. They'll put magicdocks in when they are receiving subsidies at new sites but they aren't going to retrofit old sites. Someday in the future when CCS charging is good enough that it's no longer a checkoff item for car buyers Tesla will fully open their network because it won't cost them car sales but who knows when that will be.
@@joshuarosen465 it won't matter. Lucid can only charge at 50 kW at SC anyhow
@@joshuarosen465 I partially agree, but charging profits are far greater than pennies with very little work. Remember, Elon said he does not want his charging network to create a moat around his company. When a non-Tesla charges at a Supercharger, all passengers are exposed to a sea of Tesla's and Tesla gets free advertising. Due to short cable length of V3 chargers, I think we will see more magicdocks on V4's. Since owning both a model S and EQS 580, I'm anxious for the rollout.
Good video Dave. The Lucid looks like a beautiful car. Did you change to 19" wheels for better mileage? Looks like Baily has YOU trained.
I do the trip from Ft Myers to Boston and back every six months. I had an order for a RWD Lucid Air Pure until about an hour ago. I loved the design and the range of the Lucid. The loss of the EV tax credit, and the current state of EA Chargers are two of the main reasons that I just canceled.
Hey Dave if you stop at Hampton inns they take dogs and also have tesla destination chargers too
Love ya Dave!
I happened to run into a "Reduced Rate Charger" once during my trip last week and it did pull exactly 66kw max.
You would be the perfect candidate for a Tesla Plush Edition if they made one. My husband would love one too for the drives back from dinner when he sleeps while I drive. ❤.
Dave, always check thank try the other whip on the charger. It’s been night and day with EA chargers sometimes
I had surging yesterday when Charging my Ford Lightning on a 350, but the average was high enough that I was still getting a pretty effective charge rate, so I did’t bother moving to another station. It’s not just an 800V issue, it’s there, but seems less dramatic on lower voltage EVs
Dave, does Hyatt not have good coverage on your route? I think they’re generally pet friendly, plus the rewards right now for the chase sapphire cards that transfer to Hyatt are great.
I know it's too late now, but with all of the trouble with Signet chargers, I would have done just enough at the Florida Mall (Orlando) to get to Jacksonville to use the Gen 4 chargers or single ABB to just make it to Pooler, GA.
Had a Kia EV6 and had the same experience with the 350 kw chargers, had much better luck using the 150s. But had noticed that charging will become more of a problem when road tripping going forward since the non-Tesla charging infrastructure is not keeping up with the demand. So for now, having both an electric and ICE seems to be the way to go. Thanks for sharing your charging experience.
I had a very bad experience in Brunswick in Feb driving from CT to Jacksonville. Took me over an hour and 3 chargers and five sessions to get enough charge in my IoniQ 5 to get to Jacksonville.
Stopped at that same Stuckey's with my model Y. On the way back I planned to stop at the Buckee's. Got off 95 with 2%. Took 20 min. to get to the superchargers; 15 min. to get out. Charging was fine.
Could you do more reviews of the software and updates? Seems like that is where the content is since that changes more and is expected to get better over time (which is unclear if it actually is).
Autopilot has improved so much since I got my 2022 Model 3 since December 2021 to now.
LOLZ, last July I stopped at that same Pooler Ga charger on the way home from Virginia, Screwed up my entire day schedule, put on enough charge to get to the FPL charger in St Augustine but it was a train wreck of a stop. Best Western FTW.
Appreciate your sacrifice to speak truth to power, pun intended! Enjoy your content.
Oh man, hope those chargers did not do lasting damage to your car. Your videos have convinced me to get a Tesla. Hopefully the charger situation will improve in the next few years.
I’ve noticed that autopilot does not like passing lanes on the right. We have those in Michigan in some spots and the car freaks out every time.
Did the reset from Lucid restore your turn signal cameras? That was scary when the screen went red.
Hello, I'm surprised that you did not change to EV-Go after these experiences on this trip. Greetings from Germany, enjoy your vids!
Hey Dave Good thing you have massaging seat in the car. You're going to need it for pushing your car. Don't get rid of your Model 3.
I have an ID4 and love it but I live in SE Wyoming and every time we want to travel to visit friends in northern Wyoming and Montana it's like going back in time. We don't have any fast chargers and I end up charging at very slow chargers, campgrounds and businesses to get us to our destination and I'm sick of it. I thought that by 2023 we would have fast chargers everywhere. I'm not a big fan of Tesla but I'm a big fan of their charging network so even tho there are some great CCS cars out there I think I"m going back to Tesla just for their fantastic charging network.
This is the way
After following your trip from Connecticut to Naples & back I admit I am concerned about the charging for my Lucid. I absolutely love the car & honestly I just use the car in the neighborhood, but they seriously need to do something about the charging stations.
I will be driving up to NJ for the summer,but We will be using my gas car. In no way do I want to take that nerve wracking trip depending on these electric stations. Lucid needs to step up to the plate and figure out this issue.
With all that said I still think the Lucid is far more attractive than the Tesla’s and a lot more luxurious. ( No insult intended)
Dave, thanks for as always your informative videos.
Thank you for your extensive experiments. Now i know which cars i should not take into consideration. We have different charge providers in Europe. But similar cars.
Dave, another great video. Please consider the comparative comfort and charging anxiety of the Tesla vs. the Lucid by doing the same road trip from CT to FL in Kathy’s new Y. Firstly, I think it would take fewer stops and shorter duration of the charging stops vs. the Lucid. I also think you would have to spend fewer than 3 nights in a motel. Finally, I think you would come to a very different conclusion re: the Lucid, and understand why the previous owner took a $50K hit when he sold you his Lucid.
I think Kyle has the problem pegged to software combined with the 800 volt architecture of the Lucid product. I haven’t hear many reports of these issues with the 400 volt systems.
Brunswick Georgia (my hometown) took the cake for the worst charging session. Love the infrastructure EA puts out and forgets about.
Dave, thank you for reporting. I think the more the CCS car owners tell the dealers and car manufacturers their experiences, such as yourself, the manufacturers will have to assist because their reputations are being pulled into this. If Tesla can do this easily, others too.. No reason for a 6 figure car to take over 1 hour for 80% charge. That is terrible!!!
nice,,, wonder if the chargers use credit cards or just apps ?
I get the reduced or not existence of regen when I charge by Chevy Bolt to 100% , funny thing is that you find out quickly when you are trying to stop using one pedal lol, the Bolt’s brakes are not good . I don’t feel reduction when driving my e-tron but the brakes are awesome. On another note, I went for a road trip from NY to Miami and back using EA stations 95% of the time and I had no issues at all , very thankful for that.
I don't know how you put up with it. I'd have dropped ccs and gone to tesla after 2 bad sessions. Hopefully, we can look back in 5-10 years and laugh at how bad these sessions were...............
I haven’t experienced the fluctuations in power on my Mach E when charging at Electrify America. Is this an issue with just your Lucid. Do you see the same problems with other vehicles that are charging at your stops.
I would like to know if the Tesla superchargers non-teslas can use now would allow a trip from Ct to Fl for a Lucid. Lucid CEO says “it’s just a plug” and will not change to the Tesla standard. Looks like I’m getting a model X.
Dave I noticed that at a full SOC at 99% (433 stated mile) that my regen feels more like a normal car slowing down if I take my foot off the gas. Until I drop down to 410 stated range then regen seems to work smoother.
That’s normal. When the battery is full, regen is reduced because the battery can’t accept a high rate of charge.
Dave, it is interesting that the Signet surge is regionally specific. I recently road tripped in the IL, IN, KY and TN area and the SK Signet units do not exhibit this behavior. The 350kW units do seem to be power limited. I drive an EV6. If Kyle wants to see the data, I logged it into Rate Your Charge.
What EV? I have a theory that it’s lucid specific
44:55 Looks like the headliner isn’t fully seated in the center?
I would love to see Buc-ees get some chargers!
Nice work on the video Dave. Painful seeing you endure these charging woes. As an early adopter of the Model S, I see now the strength of Elon's early pricing strategy. He and his team, rightfully so, seemed to see that the sustainability and success of the company was tied, in part, to the reliability of a charging network. Tesla had its struggles in the beginning. But, having that concept baked into the cost of an early new Model Ss really seemed to be a good tactic. Smart.
On another thought, not related to the EA charging stations at all; I hope Lucid can work through its supply chain issues. Looks like a really good product.
Many Comfort Inns in the Southwest have NEMA 14 50 plugs.
Thanks for doing this, I want to transition to another EV, but it's hard to let go of Tesla's network. 2 years with my model Y and never an issue on roadtrips and the supercharger network. EA needs to step up their game...
We rented a Polestar 2 and drove from Portland to Sanfrancisco and it was a major pain using EA. We'll rent a gas car next time unless there is a Tesla available. My associate drove a rented Model 3 on the same route and used the Tesla charge network and he said it was an easy, no stress experience. He said when he goes EV, will be a Tesla just because of their charge network but still is not a huge fan of the cars or elon.
Alright! South of the Border! Good to see Pedro again!
I also noticed the hogs in GA a few weeks ago. Not good, reminds me of Austin roads.
I have a Tesla Model 3 SR+. So, you know..😅
However, my wife has had her 2021 VW ID.4 PRO for the past (almost) two years. She has been on numerous road trips, near (read: SF Bay Area) and far (LA, San Diego, North Rim and Zion NP, for example), and uses EA extensively on those trips. She has never (knock on wood!) had the challenges that you and Kyle seem to encounter regularly.
Yesterday, she was returning from taking our 15 year old son on a campus tour of UC Berkeley, and stopped at the EA in Richmond, CA off I-80 for a quick (
Thanks again for steering us away from that wonky 350 at Sheetz. I feel bad that our charging was fast and flawless round trip between MA and FL. Seems like yours was horrendous at each stop. Possible it's EA struggling with Lucid cars?
That Lucid is beautiful. I would get over a Tesla for regional trips.
I feel your pain ... tesla supercharging was designed by a genius.
My 2023 Ioniq 5 has had no issues like you have had in your Lucid with EA. I’m in the southwest. Maybe things are a bit ahead of the east coast out here.
I fear it may be a lucid only issue. My EV6 has road tripped fine multiple times using only EA
Dave - did you think of checking Bailey's hearing? She never seems to recognize your requests or even look in your direction when you speak to her. Maybe she's just aloof?
Just like my wife.
Her hearing is fine. It’s her listening skills that have her ignore me sometimes when she is strategizing her next moves
Gotta say again: for a gas station, Wawa has great hoagies.
There needs to be a lawsuit placed against Electrify America. Its absurd what they have done.
I’m regards to the model x towing taking up all those spots. I would do the exact same thing. As long as no one else is waiting, that is proper etiquette
"Proper" etiquette is to unhook the trailer. That way you don't delay someone else while you move when they show up. It's not a big deal (assuming you actually move), but let's stop trying to justify our laziness...
@@andrewroberts1787 So you pull into a 16 stall station that only 1 other person is using. You are going to unhook your trailer? Sounds stupid....
@@Robert-pm6bm- agree - that version of Uhaul trailer has a huge tongue weight.
This was a great commercial for Tesla.