Gen 2 has a bunch of Pokemon that are designed around the Special Defense stat now existing, like Ho-oh, Lugia, Shuckle, Chansey/Blissey got gigantic Sp Def stats without OP Sp Atk. And Pokemon like Heracross and the Hitmons got to have solid Sp Def even though their Sp Atk was abysmal. Many fast special attackers could now be frail against both sides. And Slowking and Bellossom got to be more special defensive versions of Slowbro and Vileplume without that also increasing their attacking power.
Another gen one mechanic is the hyper beam kill drop; meaning there is no recharge when you knock out a pokemon with it. More firing my lazers in that gen
Probably a bug, but I feel like this was actually a cool risk/reward mechanic if you aren't sure whether you can make the KO in one hit. This would actually be good to bring back, since recharge moves aren't worth using the way they work now.
@@globalistgamer6418 since it was fixed in stadium, we can definitely assume that it was a bug. But it was quite impactful nonetheless, especially when you consider that Tauros was a thing with its almost 1/5 critical hit ratio so even switching out to not allowing the insta-recharge was still pretty dangerous
Well and the games were like 90% air. Seriously the games were huge for the time but the codebase was mostly empty with very large unused contiguous space littered across the game rom.
Step 5) Get Jolteon (very fast Pokemon), Dragonite (very powerful Pokemon), Gengar (very invulnerable Pokemon) and any of the Pokemon from Gary/Blue's Champion Team from R/B/Y (Starter,Arcanine,Gyarados,Exeggutor,Rhyhorn,Alakazam,Pidgeot).
A channel that explains the competitive side of Pokemon!? Now I can show this to my friends who can't understand how to battle strategically and competitively.
It only explains the fighting side and not the competetive... There are much more and other strategies in real CP fights than in "story-fighting". This Vids will explain the story fighting I think.
I'm not talking about this particular video. I'm gonna make them watch the other videos about Pokemon in this channel to make them understand that the world is not all about spamming Earthquakes and Hyper Beams
The freeze status went from being completely broken to be damn near useless... Anyway, like others have said, please do a 'History of Gyarados' next please!
It doesn't always thaw though. It's still a darn nasty status since it can immobilize everything. At least with burn, poison and paralysis you will/might still act; and sleep there is fortunately sleep clause in competitive play..
The thing that makes Freeze still ridiculous is there is no max number of turns a Pokemon can remain indefinitely frozen, unlike Sleep where the max number of turns is 3. So you can in very rare but still entirely possible remian frozen for ANY NUMBER of given turns. I've even seen recordings of matches where someone remained frozen for over 20 turns! There's alot of counters and checks for the ailment these days, but it's still a very nasty thing to proc.
xP someone clearly missed the recent team dreamball vs team scald match in the MBL, aside from that though freeze can be a nightmare in the current game, it makes taking repeated weak blizzards from Alolan Ninetails potentially game deciding
Alvaro Cerda 4 weeks later and at the time of my comment he's got 38k subscribers. His channel is growing like a level 1 Pokémon getting experience from a chansey
Dragonite's sprite in Yellow was so much more badass than the image we see of Dragonite today. It looked legendary, and was an honor to have on your team. Now he's derpy & outclassed my most dragons lol.
Psychic was such a broken move, even if you were up against a special wall, you would just spam psychic to get special drops, and eventually you would win. Hyper beam was broken as fuck, which made tauros a monster.
@@aceclover758 Also why Tauros was good. Body Slam for reliable damage. Hyper Beam for a big finisher. Blizzard for Rydon and Golem and Earthquake for Gengar. Maybe swap in Fire Blast to burn opposing Tauros.
@@jamesdinius7769 The fact Tauros had 70 special (on top of what you said) is what made it stand out from other normals like Kagenskan When I did casual gen 1 showdown, I would use a Tauros that ran fire blast over EQ since I had already 3 other decent poke with EQ
A few things I think is interesting when you are going to talk about in your future videos about Gen 1: - Typings: Normal Types were immun to Bodyslam's secondary effect to paralyse and while Normal Typing wasn't as broken as Psychic, it was equivalently powerful as offensive Dragon Type moves in Gen 4-5 because it is only resisted by Rock Types and Gengar aside from having powerful base power attacks such as Slash, Hyperbeam, Wrap, Bodyslam and Double Edge. - Moves: Reflect is permanent and can only be removed by Haze.
I think Special Attack/Defense being one stat mattered the most, mostly because of threats like Alakazam and Chansey, although a lot of Gen I is silly. It's fun, though. Great video!
@@matthewarnold4557 What no. Tauros is a pretty decent check, slowbro is a check, Jolteon is a check due to potential thunder wave ruining alakazam, Exeggutor literally walls Alakazam just to give a few. Alakazam is good but it's so far from the top that it's funny
Another great video! I've been interested in this subject a lot lately, so I'm really lucky. I really enjoy people who push for new and interesting content, especially in something like Pokemon. Thanks!
Quick update: due to a recently discovered bug, a move of the type of the opposing Pokemon cannot status the opponent, the most important Pokemon this affects are Body Slam users
Yeah this was discovered in 2015 (a thread can be found on smogon I think). Note that this was the case for Pokemon Showdown and other online simulators not coding that in properly, it's always been like this on the original RBY games though
@Magnus Von Braun Nope, the way it works is that Normal type pokemon are immune to Normal type moves' secondary attack status. Same with Ice types not being able to be frozen by Ice Beam/Blizzard and Fire types not being able to burned by stuff like Flamethrower. So what was affected were normal types like Chansey, Snorlax and Tauros not being able to be paralyzed by Body Slam(which was obviously meta defining yeah). Golem can still para Rhydon or other Golems with Body slam though
They were dominant in gen 1 thanks to it being a fighting type counter. Since fighting types. Like fire types were bad in gen 1. Thanks to it learning the fixed damage move seismic toss. And the hit or miss submission. Except Poliwrath bcoz Poliwrath was the only viable fighting type mon.
I never understood how physical and special stats worked in gen 2 or 3 so consider my mind officially blown. Great videos, history of Skarmory would be great!
Another interesting, nonrelated aspect of Gen 1 battling. Leech Seed runs off the same calcs as Poison. What this means is that Leech Seed does the same damage as Poison damage. Which ALSO means that Toxic is affected by this too. So Leech Seed will do the same damage as the Toxic damage if the Toxic effect is applied to a Pokemon.
6:10 Bonus point about the accuracy mechanics in Gen I, though this wouldn't come up in competitive play: Using an X Accuracy made *all* your moves ignore the accuracy check and hit every time... including the OHKO moves Guillotine, Horn Drill and Fissure. Also, those moves don't have some kind of flag to say 'oh, they were hit by that specific move, they're KO'd'. They're just hardcoded to do over 65,000 damage, and no Pokémon has anywhere close to that amount of HP. Pointless trivia, but maybe useful in some overly nerdy pub quiz someday. Massively unlikely. But maybe.
I believe there's one permutation of Missingno. that can take an X-Accuracy Guillotine and have 1 HP left (or because it's Missingno, -1 HP or back to 65535 again). - I may be wrong but I thought I saw that somewhere.
Gen1 would have been more balanced if: - cut had been a BUG type move, BP 70 - a strong BUG type move had been added - strengh, take down, mega punch and mega kick had been FIGHTING type moves - ghost had been supereffective against psychic - a strong GHOST type move had been added - ghost type had been in the special tier, not in the physical one - crits hadn't depended on base speed - hyper beam had always needed a recharge turn, regardless of any kill - roar and whirlwind could have phazed other pkmns - focus energy had boosted the atk stat instead of halving it - evasion moves hadn't been so damn broken that so and we wouldn't always play on Showdown! with only 16 OverUsed. I also wonder if this would have implied that gen2 didn't set on being so stall oriented with dark and steel types so overpowered.
-ghost super effective on psychic So your gonna use the only ghost move: lick with 30 base power coming from a gengar with only 60 base attack on a psychic type with max hp and defense evs. That move is about to do 5% of the oponnents health
I think the Hyper Beam skipping recharge turn if it kills definitely cemented the aggro plays that is possible. I think Stadium "fixed" that, I could be wrong.
I have a request. You should do an history about Psychic type and Dragon type. They have an interesting history of being the overpowered types that got nerfed by a new type (Dark and Fairy respectively), because the type that were strong against them were so bad they don't put that much work against them (Bug and Ice respectively).
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Even if ghost types were super effective I don't think it would have made a difference. The only ghost type move that takes type into account is lick which has a base power of 20. That combined with the fact that the Ghastly line are also poison type they would have fared just as poorly against physic types even with a super effective lick.
I remember how broken in Pokémon Stadium for "round 2" was with final boss Mewtwo. Unless you had your own Mewtwo or Mew and either froze or paralyzed it, if the computer got set up, it was over.
It's actually really easy to beat reliably with rentals if you make the right team. I think you lead with Abra, tank a hit from Psychic and use Thunder Wave, then IIRC it rests and you can debuff it or kill with strong physical attacks.
I actually quite like the way Criticals worked in Gen 1. They obviously need a bit of balancing, but they do create an interesting variance in sweeper-type pokemon. If you use a fast pokemon, you ignore self-buffs and instead focus on speed and crits. If you use a slower pokemon you focus on self-buffs and avoiding criticals.
It's an interesting idea, but Speed is already a useful enough stat just determining turn order. Perhaps there could be a Luck stat that affects crit rates as well as accuracy/evasion to some extent, and the chance of additional affects occuring on attacking moves?
I kinda like Speed Crit as a system, even if it's rewarding a stat that already has its own reward. Having something that effects Crit Chance is always a good thing in my opinion.
Normal types were actually better than Psychic types, because of Hyper Beam, Body Slam, only very few decent pokemon resisting it anyway and basically no Fighting moves because they were subpar and Fighting types were scared off by the Psychic types. Tauros, Snorlax and Chansey were dominant and other Normal types, however just short of OU, were usually very good. Although it must be said they were also helped by large coverage options, given how few move options some pokes had.
Normal types better than Psychic types? Try again, Psychic was the most overpowered move in gen I, having 1/3 chances of lowering target's special. That shit was a truly wallbreaking move.
The problem is that intercomparison is hard. The tradeoff between normal and psychic is basically: 1. STAB tradeoff: STAB on Psychic vs STAB on Body Slam/Hyper Beam (/Wrap/Slash/Boom) 2. Defensive tradeoff: NFE damage from Psychic (and the rare Fighting attack) vs no para from Body Slam (and no SE damage from Jolteon Pin MIssile, but SE damage from Double Kick/other rare Fighting attacks) There is really little in there. The first is actually just better for the normal types (Hyper Beam/Body Slam were better than Psychic, I'm sorry. Body Slams para chance is even better than the chance on a spc drop and Hyper Beam STAB is just more important. Furthermore, because of psychic being such a good type defensively, there are usually more pokes walling psychic than body slam/hyper beam.), but so hard to compare, because they run from different stats (Chansey would love being a psychic type, while Mew would be fine having (at least a secondary) normal type.) The defensive tradeoff really only helps in Uber, where Psychic is a good type because it is the only type that can handle Mewtwo somewhat. In OU there isn't that much Psychic to begin with, potential users like Starmie, Chansey and Slowbro even don't use the attack, which is also a cause and effect thing. Psychic is the only type that walls psychic, psychics are used much because little can wall them and they cannot be easily countered, so people use psychic types. Which actually reduces their usefulness. The fact that three out of the four most important special powerhouses had access to a recovery move in OU also didn't help. But yeah, it DOES depend on the format which type is better, I agree on that.
Maybe as a whole, but Alakazam and Mewtwo were just too OP. Exegutor and Slowbro was nearly there as well. High special, higher speed than the normal types, and a higher critical hit chance due to that speed. Plus Amnesia was pretty much one of the best moves in the game. The only normal types who could take a hit from either Mewtwo or Alakazam were Snorlax and Chansey. Tauros had the offense to check them, IF it could take the hit.
4:58 That isn't a glitch. Bug was super effective against Poison for the same reason that it is now super effective against Dark: in Japan, insect, especially horned beetles, are commonly associated with superheroes and justice (think Kamen Rider.) Before Dark-type existed, Poison was the "evil" type, hence its association with Team Rocket and weakness to Bug.
One thing you didn't mention was that a Pokemon couldn't be statused by secondary effects from a move of the same type. The major impact on this was that Tauros and Snorlax (and Chansey to a slightly lesser extent) could not be paralyzed by Body Slam, massively changing how duels between them fared.
A few other things about Gen 1: Toxic and Leech Seed had the same damage modifier, so as the damage from toxic increased, the damage and healing from leech seed also increased. Lance's Dragonite in Red and Blue could not deal damage to poison types because it would only use Barrier and PP of opponents never decreased. Likewise Giovanni's Dugrtio could not deal damage to a flying type because it had only ground moves.
+IHeliosI - Tank; high defenses and attack power, and therefore able to take a hit before attacking - Wall; higher defense than a tank, but much lower attack power, and they're meant to just stall the foe to death
regarding the stat modification glitch. If a pokemon is paralyzed/burned and alters one of its stats, it doesn't actually affect the opposing pokemon: the stat penalty simply temporairily "vanishes". If however, the opposing pokemon has one of its stats modified, the impaired pokemon has the stat penalty inflicted AGAIN which basically allows for burning the opposing pokemon and then start spamming growth which basically increases your special AND halves the opponents attack
I want a reboot of gen 1! They should make a darker pokemon game similar to the manga and the true pkmn world that its creator had envisioned. In doing so, they could also remake all the stats of all the pkmn to balance them and change the types and movepools so we could have a more diverse meta. This would surely attract those like me, growing up playing gen 1 but too mature now for the childish tone of the pkmn games.
@@thelegend27withawartonhisb90 Fire Red and Leaf Green is entirely different both gameplay wise, tone and aesthetic compared to the OG. The OG Pokemon Green was an inspired Dragon Quest, then FRLG is more like the Pokemon anime. Less dark, more colorful and more bland imo.
the type match-up calculation was done based on type 1, not an average of type 1 and 2 as in gen 2 onward. Jynx suffers a super effective hit by fighting type moves because of this.
I actually prefer crits being linked to speed, it adds an element of knowledgeable gambling to it, rather than just pure luck. You can deliberately roll the dice and try for crits with high crit % pokes.
@@cosmonauthal7651 Well, maybe. But slash was never a TM move and there were only a select group of pokes that could learn it and none of them were top tier. Persian was the best of them and that only made it to borderline. Similar for razor leaf and karate chop. These moves weren't meta moves like psychic, earthquake, blizzard, body slam etc
It always made sense to me. Faster Pokemon were usually weaker so there was balance, and if each move didn't have its own critical percentage, the game might as well use some differing number to calculate.
Gen 1 has a bunch of terrible mechanics but I think the way critical hits are calculated affected it the most. Cause it's abusable by way more Pokémon than the other mechanics are.
I'm not a Gewunner but in defence of Gen 1 I would say that the game wasn't meant to be a highly competitive game rather just for casual battles. Once the Pokemon META got more popular Game Freak decided to fix up the META more to allow it to be balanced.
Mcfcrulez ! Even casually most of these mechanics are really bad. Critical hits, freezing, psychic being overpowered. Speaking of psychic, if it's that overpowered competitively, imagine how broken it was with casual players.
Born2Run maybe, but psychic being that strong was due to a glitch, it wasn't intentional. It didn't really have anything to do with mewtwo, so you can't give them credit for that.
You're missing the point though. When R/B/Y came out most people wouldn't have known how broken some of these mechanics were due to having limited access to the internet (I mean come on it 1996) By the time people were catching onto how broken Gen 1 was the 2nd Gen was practically on its way.
Yeah, psychic being overpowered makes perfect sense when you think of them as like an asset in an RPG. They're the endgame stuff you get with special effort, Mewtwo in particular, and asking for them to be balanced would be like asking for the Rusty Dirk to be balanced versus the Excalibur. It was about the experience of getting an Alakazam and steamrolling through the Elite Four, and competitive battling was just something you'd do with your friends to show them your party. They didn't really realize that competitive battling would be a thing and now everyone is using that Alakazam.
Gen 1 was very fun and still can be, but competitive wise, its the most broken and unfun since not only the meta was so small, but the special being one stat, which gave certain pokemon the immediate obvious advantage.
2:00 according to bulbapedia, actually later gens also ignore your stats on critical hits, but only under certain conditions, same for the target. for each set of gens the following happens: gen1: the damage actually doesnt get a direct modifier but instead the level is counted as double (don't ask me why but the attacker's level is part of the calculation), also ALL stat mods (including beneficial) go down the drain. TLDR: making a double level hit on neutral stat grounds. gen2: flat double damage and ALL (including beneficial) modifiers plus reflect/lightscreen (they are more meta-effects in gen2 and forward) plus burn penalty are ignored, IF the opposing defending stat (Def/SpDef depending on type) is on a higher stage than the attacking stat (Atk/SpAtk, depending on type), otherwise you just get the double damage TLDR: if you are on a better ground that your opponent, use that and double damage, if not, back to neutral and then double damage gen3 and on: flat double damage, also defensive meta-boosts by attacks (reflect, lightscreen, aurora veil) are ALWAYS ignored, burn penalty is NOT ignored (moved into the damage calculation instead), also you only ignore the opponents positive and your negative stats. gen7 and on: see gen3 but only 1,5 multiplier TLDR for both: only ignore things that are disadvantageous and then hit double or 1,5x. so for example for gen3+: if you are swords danced up to +6 and the opponent used defense curl to +6 as well, you would do normal damage on a normal hit but on crit you get to keep your +6 but the opponent will lose their +6 so you hit 400% in addition to the crit boost. and if your opponent would be -6 as well you would essentially hit 16 times the power plus crit bonus. also besides the crit fun just as a fun fact, as each stat level away from ±0 comes with diminishing returns (for reference ±0 is 2/2=1 and every plus away from 0 increases the top by 1 up to 8/2 = 4, while every minus away from 0 increases the bottom by one down to 2/8 = 0,25, changes towards zero do the opposite for obvious reasons) it is actually mathematically more viable to spread stat changes over both pokemon, instead of a ±2 which would result in 2 for you or 0,5 for the opponent, which is essentially the same, but by doing +1 to you and -1 to the opponent you do 2/3 (0,66...) for them and 3/2 (1,5) for you resulting in a total of (3/2)/(2/3) = (3/2)*(3/2) = (3*3)/(2*2) = 9/4 = 2,25 bonus for you or 4/9 (0,44...) for them, or instead of tripling the fun with ±4, a +2/-2 spread quadruples the power.
great series idea ^.^ hmm, I feel like the status conditions sleep & freeze were the strongest mechanics, it's no wonder Jynx did so well in the earliesst official tournaments without things like sleep & freeze clauses holding it back
Imagine if Shuckle was in the first game. That special defence combined with special attack
Shared Memories oh god! the mighty shuckle would be real! do NOT fuckle with the god gen 1 shuckle XD
Yeah mate
Gen 2 has a bunch of Pokemon that are designed around the Special Defense stat now existing, like Ho-oh, Lugia, Shuckle, Chansey/Blissey got gigantic Sp Def stats without OP Sp Atk.
And Pokemon like Heracross and the Hitmons got to have solid Sp Def even though their Sp Atk was abysmal.
Many fast special attackers could now be frail against both sides.
And Slowking and Bellossom got to be more special defensive versions of Slowbro and Vileplume without that also increasing their attacking power.
Jespoke there would be so much potential, that those Pokemans could achieve tho...
And nothing to use it with since hidden power didn't exist yet. RIP.
Another gen one mechanic is the hyper beam kill drop; meaning there is no recharge when you knock out a pokemon with it. More firing my lazers in that gen
Probably a bug, but I feel like this was actually a cool risk/reward mechanic if you aren't sure whether you can make the KO in one hit. This would actually be good to bring back, since recharge moves aren't worth using the way they work now.
@@globalistgamer6418 since it was fixed in stadium, we can definitely assume that it was a bug. But it was quite impactful nonetheless, especially when you consider that Tauros was a thing with its almost 1/5 critical hit ratio so even switching out to not allowing the insta-recharge was still pretty dangerous
Sometimes i think the programing code for R/B is held together by pure willpower.
Remember this was the first Gen.
Back in a simpler day with less laws and poilcies along with simple.programing
Nah. That was Green. Red and Blue were held together with willpower AND scotch tape.
Well and the games were like 90% air. Seriously the games were huge for the time but the codebase was mostly empty with very large unused contiguous space littered across the game rom.
They still are. Dataminers have found that gamefreak suck at making games. Like really fucking suck at everything exept for the gameplay and design
Basically,Gen 1 is programed like a wet noodle
Oh the gen 1 horrors of leech seed and toxic stacked. Completely broken
Then Razor Leaf.
How to be a Pokégod in gen 1
Step 1) Be a psychic-type
Step 2) ...Well, that's it...
Step 3) Be Mewtwo...
MoLiEG89 I said Pokégod, not broken af piece of work.
...Then again, they all were... 😕
Step 4) Be fast as a lightning and spam Thunderbolt
Tbf, normal type will do just fine too. Tauros, persian and snorlax were some of the powerhouses of gen 1.
Step 5) Get Jolteon (very fast Pokemon), Dragonite (very powerful Pokemon), Gengar (very invulnerable Pokemon) and any of the Pokemon from Gary/Blue's Champion Team from R/B/Y (Starter,Arcanine,Gyarados,Exeggutor,Rhyhorn,Alakazam,Pidgeot).
A channel that explains the competitive side of Pokemon!?
Now I can show this to my friends who can't understand how to battle strategically and competitively.
It only explains the fighting side and not the competetive... There are much more and other strategies in real CP fights than in "story-fighting".
This Vids will explain the story fighting I think.
Well IV and EV training don't look like fun to me unless you're exclusively talking about gen 1 Pokemon.
...if you had friends
Soul no idea what you're going on about, this is clearly going over competitive battling in the 1st generation games
I'm not talking about this particular video. I'm gonna make them watch the other videos about Pokemon in this channel to make them understand that the world is not all about spamming Earthquakes and Hyper Beams
The freeze status went from being completely broken to be damn near useless... Anyway, like others have said, please do a 'History of Gyarados' next please!
Well, to me it's not 'lil less broken', considering my opponent thaws out of the status the turn it was inflicted with it in the first place.
It doesn't always thaw though. It's still a darn nasty status since it can immobilize everything. At least with burn, poison and paralysis you will/might still act; and sleep there is fortunately sleep clause in competitive play..
The thing that makes Freeze still ridiculous is there is no max number of turns a Pokemon can remain indefinitely frozen, unlike Sleep where the max number of turns is 3. So you can in very rare but still entirely possible remian frozen for ANY NUMBER of given turns. I've even seen recordings of matches where someone remained frozen for over 20 turns!
There's alot of counters and checks for the ailment these days, but it's still a very nasty thing to proc.
xP someone clearly missed the recent team dreamball vs team scald match in the MBL, aside from that though freeze can be a nightmare in the current game, it makes taking repeated weak blizzards from Alolan Ninetails potentially game deciding
There is no sleep clause in competitive official formats, its in smogon... which is a piece of shit, retarded and completely childish format.
i love this stuff
SSBM Tutorials erma God you watch this toooooo
squeeeeels.
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rjdk24 Kellen (The guy on FSG) also edits SSBM-T vids.
SSBM Tutorials PPMD Kreygasm
I play smash 4
Edit: I do play ssb4, but I posted that as a joke. I think your content is incredible
Dude your channel is growing so fast . Good job!
Thats what happens if you produce quality content.
Yeah, I remember I found the guy with the Venusaur Competitive Video
He was like 5K or something.... Look at him now
Alvaro Cerda 4 weeks later and at the time of my comment he's got 38k subscribers. His channel is growing like a level 1 Pokémon getting experience from a chansey
This is such an awesome channel. lots of creative ideas. I think the status effects affected this gen more than any other tbh
Dragonite's sprite in Yellow was so much more badass than the image we see of Dragonite today. It looked legendary, and was an honor to have on your team. Now he's derpy & outclassed my most dragons lol.
That Stat Glitch description feels like the inspiration of the Ability "Guts" and I wouldn't even be surprised if that were true
Psychic was such a broken move, even if you were up against a special wall, you would just spam psychic to get special drops, and eventually you would win.
Hyper beam was broken as fuck, which made tauros a monster.
I'd say body slam was broken too. Good base power and gen 1 paralyze.
@@aceclover758 Also why Tauros was good. Body Slam for reliable damage. Hyper Beam for a big finisher. Blizzard for Rydon and Golem and Earthquake for Gengar. Maybe swap in Fire Blast to burn opposing Tauros.
@@jamesdinius7769 The fact Tauros had 70 special (on top of what you said) is what made it stand out from other normals like Kagenskan
When I did casual gen 1 showdown, I would use a Tauros that ran fire blast over EQ since I had already 3 other decent poke with EQ
These videos are rapidly becoming the most interesting videos on my feed- and I havent played pokemon in over a year! Keep it up!
A few things I think is interesting when you are going to talk about in your future videos about Gen 1:
- Typings: Normal Types were immun to Bodyslam's secondary effect to paralyse and while Normal Typing wasn't as broken as Psychic, it was equivalently powerful as offensive Dragon Type moves in Gen 4-5 because it is only resisted by Rock Types and Gengar aside from having powerful base power attacks such as Slash, Hyperbeam, Wrap, Bodyslam and Double Edge.
- Moves: Reflect is permanent and can only be removed by Haze.
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Man, I love these videos, and new types of them is even better! I can't wait for the gen two version of this!
Great video. I hope your channel keeps growing! All these videos are quite unique
I love how your channel is growing so naturally. This was another fun and informative video. Great to see you trying out new stuff :)
I was expecting a gyarados history, but i'm satisfied :)
Definitely loving these videos! I loved the competitive scene back in gen 1! I spent countless hours on Azure Heights. So nostalgic now...
I think Special Attack/Defense being one stat mattered the most, mostly because of threats like Alakazam and Chansey, although a lot of Gen I is silly. It's fun, though. Great video!
Wow I love how much detail you go into. Can't wait for you to be the next big Poketuber. You go!
Gen 1 competive sounds like a hell pit I would never set foot into I need balance 😂
It was but I prefer it to gen 5 and up.
Also Chansey and Snorlax were the only counters to Alakazam
Your loss.
@@matthewarnold4557 What no. Tauros is a pretty decent check, slowbro is a check, Jolteon is a check due to potential thunder wave ruining alakazam, Exeggutor literally walls Alakazam just to give a few. Alakazam is good but it's so far from the top that it's funny
I love this series! I never really knew a lot about gen1 so This is a huge help! Thanks False Swipe Gaming!
5:20 Not only that but all three ghost pokemon were also a poison type AND the only ghost attack back then was lick, with a base dmg of 20
Another great video! I've been interested in this subject a lot lately, so I'm really lucky. I really enjoy people who push for new and interesting content, especially in something like Pokemon. Thanks!
Quick update: due to a recently discovered bug, a move of the type of the opposing Pokemon cannot status the opponent, the most important Pokemon this affects are Body Slam users
Yeah this was discovered in 2015 (a thread can be found on smogon I think). Note that this was the case for Pokemon Showdown and other online simulators not coding that in properly, it's always been like this on the original RBY games though
@Magnus Von Braun Nope, the way it works is that Normal type pokemon are immune to Normal type moves' secondary attack status. Same with Ice types not being able to be frozen by Ice Beam/Blizzard and Fire types not being able to burned by stuff like Flamethrower. So what was affected were normal types like Chansey, Snorlax and Tauros not being able to be paralyzed by Body Slam(which was obviously meta defining yeah). Golem can still para Rhydon or other Golems with Body slam though
You need to do these for the next gens as well! This is so interesting and so well explained!
Top notch uploads as always. Always worth the wait. Psychic in this gen was the GOAT!
DeltaTheAwsome PSYFrame where are the Joey puns
They were dominant in gen 1 thanks to it being a fighting type counter. Since fighting types. Like fire types were bad in gen 1. Thanks to it learning the fixed damage move seismic toss. And the hit or miss submission. Except Poliwrath bcoz Poliwrath was the only viable fighting type mon.
Wasn't expecting this, but this is actually even more interesting. Looking forward to more.
I never understood how physical and special stats worked in gen 2 or 3 so consider my mind officially blown. Great videos, history of Skarmory would be great!
I believe the critical hit mechanic was pretty good because it made some pokemon better then they should of been and it made the normal type
So gen 1 bellsprout was like the trolliest thing ever?
I always hated Erika's Victreebel, which always started paralyzing my pokémon with Stun Spore and then kept using Wrap lol
Dude you are putting in work, keep growing. I definitely hope you make it
You forgot not having to recharge after hyper beam, that's like the biggest change of them all...
Constantly making great content with untapped concepts and great analysis.
Ranked Gen1 player here
So excited for this three part series
Your the best competitve pokemon channel! I hope your channel continues to grow quickly
Another interesting, nonrelated aspect of Gen 1 battling.
Leech Seed runs off the same calcs as Poison. What this means is that Leech Seed does the same damage as Poison damage. Which ALSO means that Toxic is affected by this too.
So Leech Seed will do the same damage as the Toxic damage if the Toxic effect is applied to a Pokemon.
God I hope the Part 2 comes soon, I keep on repeating this video because of how good it is made!
6:10 Bonus point about the accuracy mechanics in Gen I, though this wouldn't come up in competitive play: Using an X Accuracy made *all* your moves ignore the accuracy check and hit every time... including the OHKO moves Guillotine, Horn Drill and Fissure.
Also, those moves don't have some kind of flag to say 'oh, they were hit by that specific move, they're KO'd'. They're just hardcoded to do over 65,000 damage, and no Pokémon has anywhere close to that amount of HP.
Pointless trivia, but maybe useful in some overly nerdy pub quiz someday. Massively unlikely. But maybe.
I believe there's one permutation of Missingno. that can take an X-Accuracy Guillotine and have 1 HP left (or because it's Missingno, -1 HP or back to 65535 again). - I may be wrong but I thought I saw that somewhere.
Lol idk who you are or where you came up from, but in less than 4 months you made quite an impact in the Pokémon community. Keep it up!
In 12 hours, a 28k subs channel had 50k views... C'mon guys, you know how good the content is, subscribe already
Assuming subscribers dont watch the same vid twice... that adds to the counter
great vids, refreshing to have pokemon content that doesnt have top 5 in the title
Gen1 would have been more balanced if:
- cut had been a BUG type move, BP 70
- a strong BUG type move had been added
- strengh, take down, mega punch and mega kick had been FIGHTING type moves
- ghost had been supereffective against psychic
- a strong GHOST type move had been added
- ghost type had been in the special tier, not in the physical one
- crits hadn't depended on base speed
- hyper beam had always needed a recharge turn, regardless of any kill
- roar and whirlwind could have phazed other pkmns
- focus energy had boosted the atk stat instead of halving it
- evasion moves hadn't been so damn broken
that so and we wouldn't always play on Showdown! with only 16 OverUsed. I also wonder if this would have implied that gen2 didn't set on being so stall oriented with dark and steel types so overpowered.
-ghost super effective on psychic
So your gonna use the only ghost move: lick with 30 base power coming from a gengar with only 60 base attack on a psychic type with max hp and defense evs. That move is about to do 5% of the oponnents health
Then I forgot to add a strong ghost type move to the inventory
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Focus Energy didn't lower attack, it lowered crit chance.
A Gengar that's also Poison type and will get wrecked by a Psychic, may I add.
Another great video, keep up the great work. I am so glad I found this channel.
I think the Hyper Beam skipping recharge turn if it kills definitely cemented the aggro plays that is possible.
I think Stadium "fixed" that, I could be wrong.
Cool video, man! I really like your content. I'll be waiting for part 2 eagerly!
I have a request. You should do an history about Psychic type and Dragon type. They have an interesting history of being the overpowered types that got nerfed by a new type (Dark and Fairy respectively), because the type that were strong against them were so bad they don't put that much work against them (Bug and Ice respectively).
ice type was pretty strong against dragon
@@KenzoSnizzle Especially Ground-Dragon
Lol now you have ten times the subscribers you had when you made the outro to this video. You deserve it for the quality work.
I have never clickked video this fast
Your comment is funny, inspiring and most of all unique. We can all be happy you decided to post your thoughts here and hope you continue to do so in other videos.
Giving you an A for this, would be an insult, so I give you an Æ+
Yeah, I know. But I have to work this sunny saturday, so... you all won.
rip
If you want to complement a person, just say "Wow, I really enjoyed this video!" instead of using an already boring and extremely overused comment idea that one can see under every video.
Even with a typo, geez, grammar nazis where are you.
Don't say it, don't think it.The grammar nazis aren't here, don't invite them in
Supremely interesting, Kellen. A great topic to choose for a new video series.
DO POLIWRATH NEXT, THE REAL OG
I love your vids. You've really got your own style going, keep up the good work :)
Even if ghost types were super effective I don't think it would have made a difference. The only ghost type move that takes type into account is lick which has a base power of 20. That combined with the fact that the Ghastly line are also poison type they would have fared just as poorly against physic types even with a super effective lick.
love where this channel's going
Mewtwo, the most powerful pokemon! With amnesia boosts and a moveset to back it up! Combined with great speed!
I remember how broken in Pokémon Stadium for "round 2" was with final boss Mewtwo. Unless you had your own Mewtwo or Mew and either froze or paralyzed it, if the computer got set up, it was over.
It's actually really easy to beat reliably with rentals if you make the right team. I think you lead with Abra, tank a hit from Psychic and use Thunder Wave, then IIRC it rests and you can debuff it or kill with strong physical attacks.
you could also paralyze it and then explode on it (first strike explosion skips the opponents move)
Thank you so much for this amazing content @False Game Swiping. Can't wait for part 2.
I actually quite like the way Criticals worked in Gen 1. They obviously need a bit of balancing, but they do create an interesting variance in sweeper-type pokemon. If you use a fast pokemon, you ignore self-buffs and instead focus on speed and crits. If you use a slower pokemon you focus on self-buffs and avoiding criticals.
It's an interesting idea, but Speed is already a useful enough stat just determining turn order. Perhaps there could be a Luck stat that affects crit rates as well as accuracy/evasion to some extent, and the chance of additional affects occuring on attacking moves?
I kinda like Speed Crit as a system, even if it's rewarding a stat that already has its own reward. Having something that effects Crit Chance is always a good thing in my opinion.
Great video very informative :]]
One extra thing about Swift: It hit even while Pokemon were Flying or Underground due to Dig, so it still did damage even then.
Normal types were actually better than Psychic types, because of Hyper Beam, Body Slam, only very few decent pokemon resisting it anyway and basically no Fighting moves because they were subpar and Fighting types were scared off by the Psychic types.
Tauros, Snorlax and Chansey were dominant and other Normal types, however just short of OU, were usually very good. Although it must be said they were also helped by large coverage options, given how few move options some pokes had.
Normal types better than Psychic types? Try again, Psychic was the most overpowered move in gen I, having 1/3 chances of lowering target's special. That shit was a truly wallbreaking move.
smaragdchaos competitively? no psychic types weren't as dominant as the normals in the ou metagame. maybe another format that allows mew or mewtwo?
The problem is that intercomparison is hard. The tradeoff between normal and psychic is basically:
1. STAB tradeoff: STAB on Psychic vs STAB on Body Slam/Hyper Beam (/Wrap/Slash/Boom)
2. Defensive tradeoff: NFE damage from Psychic (and the rare Fighting attack) vs no para from Body Slam (and no SE damage from Jolteon Pin MIssile, but SE damage from Double Kick/other rare Fighting attacks)
There is really little in there. The first is actually just better for the normal types (Hyper Beam/Body Slam were better than Psychic, I'm sorry. Body Slams para chance is even better than the chance on a spc drop and Hyper Beam STAB is just more important. Furthermore, because of psychic being such a good type defensively, there are usually more pokes walling psychic than body slam/hyper beam.), but so hard to compare, because they run from different stats (Chansey would love being a psychic type, while Mew would be fine having (at least a secondary) normal type.)
The defensive tradeoff really only helps in Uber, where Psychic is a good type because it is the only type that can handle Mewtwo somewhat. In OU there isn't that much Psychic to begin with, potential users like Starmie, Chansey and Slowbro even don't use the attack, which is also a cause and effect thing. Psychic is the only type that walls psychic, psychics are used much because little can wall them and they cannot be easily countered, so people use psychic types. Which actually reduces their usefulness.
The fact that three out of the four most important special powerhouses had access to a recovery move in OU also didn't help. But yeah, it DOES depend on the format which type is better, I agree on that.
Maybe as a whole, but Alakazam and Mewtwo were just too OP. Exegutor and Slowbro was nearly there as well. High special, higher speed than the normal types, and a higher critical hit chance due to that speed. Plus Amnesia was pretty much one of the best moves in the game. The only normal types who could take a hit from either Mewtwo or Alakazam were Snorlax and Chansey. Tauros had the offense to check them, IF it could take the hit.
everytime you upload I panic stop whatever I'm doing and click here the video as fast as I can :D
make part 2
Good job with your videos man, keep it up!
Shuckle would have been op if it was released in gen 1
He was actually meant to be in Gen 1, I believe.
4:58 That isn't a glitch. Bug was super effective against Poison for the same reason that it is now super effective against Dark: in Japan, insect, especially horned beetles, are commonly associated with superheroes and justice (think Kamen Rider.) Before Dark-type existed, Poison was the "evil" type, hence its association with Team Rocket and weakness to Bug.
If only there had been any good Bug moves back then...
Will this series be done with gen 3 as well?
....I love gen 3....
Amazing video, we need this kind of documentation on TH-cam. This is history
Hey False Swipe! Love Your Vids! FIRST!
One thing you didn't mention was that a Pokemon couldn't be statused by secondary effects from a move of the same type. The major impact on this was that Tauros and Snorlax (and Chansey to a slightly lesser extent) could not be paralyzed by Body Slam, massively changing how duels between them fared.
Do the history of laspras
Kill me there's nothing called laspras lmfao
@@woag4143 laspras! Use blizzard!
A few other things about Gen 1:
Toxic and Leech Seed had the same damage modifier, so as the damage from toxic increased, the damage and healing from leech seed also increased.
Lance's Dragonite in Red and Blue could not deal damage to poison types because it would only use Barrier and PP of opponents never decreased.
Likewise Giovanni's Dugrtio could not deal damage to a flying type because it had only ground moves.
Difference between tank and wall?
+IHeliosI
- Tank; high defenses and attack power, and therefore able to take a hit before attacking
- Wall; higher defense than a tank, but much lower attack power, and they're meant to just stall the foe to death
Glass cannon: High attack, low defense
A tank can strike back.
When I look back on Smogon and see Dragonite is in UU instead it OU during the RBY days, I’ve always wondered why
4x weakness to ice
please do Gyrados
regarding the stat modification glitch. If a pokemon is paralyzed/burned and alters one of its stats, it doesn't actually affect the opposing pokemon: the stat penalty simply temporairily "vanishes". If however, the opposing pokemon has one of its stats modified, the impaired pokemon has the stat penalty inflicted AGAIN which basically allows for burning the opposing pokemon and then start spamming growth which basically increases your special AND halves the opponents attack
Love ur vids there great and can you do gyardos next
Awesome video! Can't wait for part 2
You can still miss with swift with the same 1/256 chance. It's happened to me more than once.
Swift bypasses accuracy checks, so you're lying.
Swift has an accuracy of "---". It literally CAN'T miss, EVER. It's not possible. Even while Flying, Surfing, or Digging.
So you're lying.
This is a much cleaner version of blunder's video explaining the differences between gen 1 and gen 2
I want a reboot of gen 1! They should make a darker pokemon game similar to the manga and the true pkmn world that its creator had envisioned. In doing so, they could also remake all the stats of all the pkmn to balance them and change the types and movepools so we could have a more diverse meta. This would surely attract those like me, growing up playing gen 1 but too mature now for the childish tone of the pkmn games.
Lucas Layton done.FR/LG
Lucas Layton
So... so fire red and leaf green?
You clearly didn't read my entire post.
@@thelegend27withawartonhisb90 Fire Red and Leaf Green is entirely different both gameplay wise, tone and aesthetic compared to the OG. The OG Pokemon Green was an inspired Dragon Quest, then FRLG is more like the Pokemon anime. Less dark, more colorful and more bland imo.
False Swipe I love your videos you are definitely in my top 10.
How GOOD Was Cloyster ACTUALLY? How GOOD Was Tauros ACTUALLY?
the type match-up calculation was done based on type 1, not an average of type 1 and 2 as in gen 2 onward. Jynx suffers a super effective hit by fighting type moves because of this.
I actually prefer crits being linked to speed, it adds an element of knowledgeable gambling to it, rather than just pure luck. You can deliberately roll the dice and try for crits with high crit % pokes.
JudoP yeah but with a Pokémon like Persian with slash that crit almost always hits and that’s broken as hell.
Imagine gen 7 meta.
*shivers*
@@cosmonauthal7651 Well, maybe. But slash was never a TM move and there were only a select group of pokes that could learn it and none of them were top tier. Persian was the best of them and that only made it to borderline. Similar for razor leaf and karate chop. These moves weren't meta moves like psychic, earthquake, blizzard, body slam etc
It always made sense to me. Faster Pokemon were usually weaker so there was balance, and if each move didn't have its own critical percentage, the game might as well use some differing number to calculate.
It also balances a lot strong physical Pokemon like Snorlax, or weak ones like Electrode.
Dragonite with wrap was the bane of my gen 1 career. especially in Pokemon stadium
Gen 1 has a bunch of terrible mechanics but I think the way critical hits are calculated affected it the most. Cause it's abusable by way more Pokémon than the other mechanics are.
I'm not a Gewunner but in defence of Gen 1 I would say that the game wasn't meant to be a highly competitive game rather just for casual battles. Once the Pokemon META got more popular Game Freak decided to fix up the META more to allow it to be balanced.
Mcfcrulez ! Even casually most of these mechanics are really bad. Critical hits, freezing, psychic being overpowered. Speaking of psychic, if it's that overpowered competitively, imagine how broken it was with casual players.
Born2Run maybe, but psychic being that strong was due to a glitch, it wasn't intentional. It didn't really have anything to do with mewtwo, so you can't give them credit for that.
You're missing the point though. When R/B/Y came out most people wouldn't have known how broken some of these mechanics were due to having limited access to the internet (I mean come on it 1996) By the time people were catching onto how broken Gen 1 was the 2nd Gen was practically on its way.
Yeah, psychic being overpowered makes perfect sense when you think of them as like an asset in an RPG. They're the endgame stuff you get with special effort, Mewtwo in particular, and asking for them to be balanced would be like asking for the Rusty Dirk to be balanced versus the Excalibur. It was about the experience of getting an Alakazam and steamrolling through the Elite Four, and competitive battling was just something you'd do with your friends to show them your party. They didn't really realize that competitive battling would be a thing and now everyone is using that Alakazam.
This channel... going straight to the top, guaranteed. Fucking love the content, keep it up.
Next u should do gyarados
I guess the sleep clause and trapping moves requiring a turn to escape and the special stat was broken
BTW love your series keep up the dank content!
Man, gen 1 was a horrible broken mess I don't understand why people revere it so much
Its the first and most iconic gen. Damn you crybabies who always complain about gen 1 never think do you.
Jah
Gen 1 was very fun and still can be, but competitive wise, its the most broken and unfun since not only the meta was so small, but the special being one stat, which gave certain pokemon the immediate obvious advantage.
My toughts exactly
TheNadroj10 it’s because the average player was never aware of all these broken mechanics.
keep making this quality work please
did u just assume chanseys gender?
100% Female Gender Ratio
Chansey is always female, you feminidiot.
guys he was joking
you have to be more dense than a wet sweater if you cant tell this dude is joking.
did you just assume they were assuming chanceys gender?
2:00 according to bulbapedia, actually later gens also ignore your stats on critical hits, but only under certain conditions, same for the target. for each set of gens the following happens:
gen1: the damage actually doesnt get a direct modifier but instead the level is counted as double (don't ask me why but the attacker's level is part of the calculation), also ALL stat mods (including beneficial) go down the drain.
TLDR: making a double level hit on neutral stat grounds.
gen2: flat double damage and ALL (including beneficial) modifiers plus reflect/lightscreen (they are more meta-effects in gen2 and forward) plus burn penalty are ignored, IF the opposing defending stat (Def/SpDef depending on type) is on a higher stage than the attacking stat (Atk/SpAtk, depending on type), otherwise you just get the double damage
TLDR: if you are on a better ground that your opponent, use that and double damage, if not, back to neutral and then double damage
gen3 and on: flat double damage, also defensive meta-boosts by attacks (reflect, lightscreen, aurora veil) are ALWAYS ignored, burn penalty is NOT ignored (moved into the damage calculation instead), also you only ignore the opponents positive and your negative stats.
gen7 and on: see gen3 but only 1,5 multiplier
TLDR for both: only ignore things that are disadvantageous and then hit double or 1,5x.
so for example for gen3+: if you are swords danced up to +6 and the opponent used defense curl to +6 as well, you would do normal damage on a normal hit but on crit you get to keep your +6 but the opponent will lose their +6 so you hit 400% in addition to the crit boost. and if your opponent would be -6 as well you would essentially hit 16 times the power plus crit bonus.
also besides the crit fun just as a fun fact, as each stat level away from ±0 comes with diminishing returns (for reference ±0 is 2/2=1 and every plus away from 0 increases the top by 1 up to 8/2 = 4, while every minus away from 0 increases the bottom by one down to 2/8 = 0,25, changes towards zero do the opposite for obvious reasons)
it is actually mathematically more viable to spread stat changes over both pokemon, instead of a ±2 which would result in 2 for you or 0,5 for the opponent, which is essentially the same, but by doing +1 to you and -1 to the opponent you do 2/3 (0,66...) for them and 3/2 (1,5) for you resulting in a total of (3/2)/(2/3) = (3/2)*(3/2) = (3*3)/(2*2) = 9/4 = 2,25 bonus for you or 4/9 (0,44...) for them, or instead of tripling the fun with ±4, a +2/-2 spread quadruples the power.
Gen 1 = Melee
Gen 7 = SB4
SubReikoPy Gen 4 = Brawl
Every other fan game = Project M
Born2Run You're going by the timelines and not play.
So what's the Pokémon equivalent of Smash 64? Capsule Monsters?
Can't tell if you're a genwunner or a smash4 player tbqh
regards a meleetard
Gen 1 = 64 Mario
Gen 7 = Brawl/SMB4 Sonic
great series idea ^.^ hmm, I feel like the status conditions sleep & freeze were the strongest mechanics, it's no wonder Jynx did so well in the earliesst official tournaments without things like sleep & freeze clauses holding it back
The "EXPLAINED" in caps makes me want to unsub
Abiritz wah wah wah wah
This looks like it's going to be a good series.