It's supposed to work as intended on Pokemon Stadium though but yeah, it's fairly useless now (could probably pull Super Luck/Scope Lens shenanigans with it but would be a bit gimmicky) and even more-so in gen 1. Also, gen 1 crits ignore your own boosts too so you could be at +6 and Slash would still do the same damage as at -6 (pretty much always crits unless the user's super slow because gen 1 crits are based on the user's Speed).
@@Ropalme1914 the videos talking about an entire type go over the pokemon and moves to so i really don't see your point. And it's weaknesses and strengths may not be top of the top but poison is a type with very few weaknesses and fighting is strong and everywhere. bug is used very little though admittedly the dark weakness sucks but that's what all types are a list of weakness and strengths psychic is not worse than say dragon. it's got 3 weaknesses all offensively common, 4 resistances and offensively 1 immunity 1 resistance and 1 super effective. psychic and dragon seem comparable to me.
@@Y-all-mofos-need-Talos At the time I'd say you're correct but over time I'd argue that was Gen III. The only ''Kings'' from Gen I that were effectively killed off in the meta were those whose only advantage was their speed. Besides breeding and held items, Gen II was more like the ultimate upgrade to Gen I. Gen III made trading with the previous generation impossible. A lot of things were introduced or changed in Gen II but its still kind of a massive upgrade of Gen I with only minor set backs like reworking the TM's and the Special Split affected the way crits work in the game nerfing some OP pkmn, but solved some major issues from the first game like fixing the Ghost/Psychic problem with Shadow Ball, improved on the gameplay by taking full advantage of the Friendship system itroduced in Yellow. On top of that you could trade with Gen II so whatever random effect the Special split would do to your Gen I pkmn and your battle strategy was easily verifiable when trading. What really changed the game's meta was the introduction of abilities which gave the pkmn unique properties during battle, natures which rendered some pokemon useless and others OP deppending on their stats and battle strategy and much stronger than even the Shiny pkmn in Gen II, but above all double battles which gave a whole new dimension to the competitive battle scene. Finally the thing for which all gamers complained, the core engine was completely redesigned from scratch and you couldn't trade with the previous Gen.
Ability: Victory Roar Description: If a pokemon KOs with a recharging move, skip the recharge turn. Ability still activates when destroying a substitute. Signature ability of Mega Tauros Flavor: When the pokemon KOs with an extremely powerful attack, it lets out a roar that instantly rejuvenates them.
The flavor is too op. Instant health? What are you trying to do, kill everyone in OU and Borderline? Mega Rack-zay-uh can't even beat Mega Tauros then!
I do wish Hyper Beam and its different variations gain back the "no recharge if it knocks something out" mechanic in the next gen. Just imagine the possibilities: Blast Burn Mega Zard-Y Hyper Beam Mega Gardevoir Giga Impact Pinsir Hydro Cannon Blastoise (Does Mega Launcher even boost Hydro Cannon?)
Yeah given how useless the moves are it would be a great boon to bring back the high risk high reward element. Mega wise there would also be Pidgeot, Altaria and Glalie that could benefit from access to these moves with that recharge skip mechanic as they either lack good special stab options or have a normal conversion attack bonus. That said it would have more potential than just megas as the added boost would make them more viable for Z Move Nukes Dialga would gain a potentially brutal tool in Ubers with its signature move actually being potentially viable as it would grant a 200 base power devastating Drake and could be used afterwards with prediction which might in some cases make it a better choice over Draco Meteor. And Hyper Beam could offer a nasty surprise kill for PorygonZ running Normalium Z for Z Conversion a 400 Base Power move off of 135 Special Attack would allow for some interesting trade offs while not being dead weight otherwise when you aren't using the Z variant. It certainly wouldn't be as dominating as gen 1 but it would be nice to make the moves somewhat viable again...
@@Smart1529 If mega Launcher buffed beam, blast, bomb, bullet and or cannon moves too it would probably boost Blastoise a bit. Might also be a good second ability for Magmortar too as well as a more appropriate ability for Remoraid/Octillery and Rhyperior respectively
Actually decent. Even after Dugtrio got sent into the same tier as Melee Kirby, the Shedinja Stall can get some good results. It's insanely difficult to use however.
Finally I've been waiting 4ever for this vid and it was so worth the wait, thanks for completing this series FSG!. PS: I feel like peeps don't bother watching these kind of vids before making requests (despite the amount of effort and research that goes into them) also I wonder how long folks will keep making "how good was (-insert Pokémon here-)" requests on this vid, without realizing their requests won't count on this vid... LOL!
Is that why there are barely any discussions about the video? Remember when people talked about what they thought of something on comment sections instead, of make this video.
Welkom to gen 1 battling explained after 9 months of development hopefully it has been worth the wait. (Btw im that cjuun that was poking the conversation of this video at your streams :) )
This is essentially what I had asked for a while back with how good were certain moves, but arguably better! Great work as always! (You misspelled Psychic by the way)
It did and apparently, it was originally supposed to have a 30% chance to freeze (equivalent to Fire Blast's 30% burn and Thunder's 30% paralysis) but it got reduced to 10% before the games were released.
@@ShiningJudgment666 Yes, but given the incredibly broken freeze mechanic, that's kind of a good thing. Imagine if every battle with Lorelei came down to a 30% freeze chance. You'd be dead meat unless you'd Missingno.'d Ice Heals.
@@endymallorn It is a good thing. 1st gen freeze is basically a KO without Ice Heals and the like and a 30% chance of that? No thanks. Freeze is still pretty debilitating now with just a 10% chance but make it a 30% chance? No thanks. It would be worse than sleep if there was an equivalent of Spore or something that inflicts guaranteed freeze if it hits.
Lol a ledian video? Can't wait to watch it after this. You make the absolute best competitive Pokemon videos. I went from 1033 elo to 1500 after watching your videos and learning the basics. Also a proud anti landorous.
The way the move Counter works in Gen I is amazing. Negatives: only works for Normal enad Fighting moves AND you need to survive it; Positives: the most common moves are Normal (Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Slash and very very rarely Submission) AND you can Counter it when you wants. Snorlax and Chansey with Counter now seems like beasts. omg :O
I like how this and Jon Tron's new video were uploaded the same day. My favorite difference in Gen 1 battling was probably Toxic reverting to normal poison on Switch.
Playing blue on virtual console I liked that slowbro got t wave and a +2 to its special attack and defense. Hoping to see more of the history of sweepers/other roles in competitive pokemon
I know nothing about competitive gen 1 battling. I've caught a few smogon tourney games with it though, and judging from what I've seen, it's "blizzard, explosion, hyper beam, sleep move" for attacks. And Taurus and Snorlax being top tier :p
The modifier that affects speed from paralysis gets checked again when you have another stat down. This effectively puts you down to -3 speed if you get the special fall from psychic. A similar bug happens when you're paralyzed and agility. Since it's an increase and not a decrease, it forgets about the paralyze speed drop and instead leaves you at +2. I don't know the specifics, but I know it has to do with stat modifier memory allocation in the code.
So in the Zapdos video it is said that the bird become more prevalent because of recent discoveries and I'm guessing that was the body slam discovery. Makes sense if you need to paralyze some terrifying gen 1 normal types.
The reason Body Slam doesn't paralyze Normal types is because it shares the type. Same reason why Thunderlbolt doesn't paralyze Electric types. But any move can inflict status conditions if it's a different type. Tri attack can freeze Ice types, burn Fire types, and Twineedle can poison Poison types.
These sorts of interactions are really fascinating--couldn't Twineedle also poison Steel types at one point? Also pretty entertaining that the "meta" actually shifted with new discoveries, a decade and a half after the game came out in English.
@@sergioav7278 When I said "just gen 1 things" I meant the meta change after years of play and also as a jab at the gen 1 brokeness. Tri Attack specifically is a gen 2 glitch. Sorry I didn't explain it it very well.
Forgot to say the move “bind” in addition to the “wrap,clamp,and fire spin” pokemon like onix or tangela use it,with tangela being half decent in generation 1,it could use stun spore and bind away
Tangela was massively outclassed by Exeggutor (only getting Swords Dance to boost its weak attack stat but I guess ParaBind that resists EQ is a narrow niche but Victreebell can do it better since it gets Wrap through its pre-evolutions). Onix was also white hot garbage. Massive base defense (second highest in Gen 1 only behind Cloyster) ruined by a horrendous HP stat and an awkward speed tier that it can't take advantage of. Graveller was better in UU due to having some offensive presence and still it countered UU's electrics while Rhydon and Golem, well, they're just far superior.
Gen I was so janky, my favorite anecdote is Focus Energy dividing, instead of multiplying, the Critical hit ratio by 4.
It actually removed the boost it was supposed to give, meaning every pokémon had 1 crit boost by default.
I learned this now lol, I always wondered why that move never seemed to help as a kid
It's supposed to work as intended on Pokemon Stadium though but yeah, it's fairly useless now (could probably pull Super Luck/Scope Lens shenanigans with it but would be a bit gimmicky) and even more-so in gen 1. Also, gen 1 crits ignore your own boosts too so you could be at +6 and Slash would still do the same damage as at -6 (pretty much always crits unless the user's super slow because gen 1 crits are based on the user's Speed).
@@gnammyhamster9554 h
Focus Energy (Move) and Dire Hit (Item) would both divide it by 4
I hope you all continue the series on the types too. I liked your Ice Type Analysis. Keep up the great work!
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I disagree I dont wanna wait again years
:(
2:29 How GOOD was FSG’s spelling ACTUALLY?
UNFORTUNATELY, it was absolutely terrible this generation.
It was untiered
Legend has it that Gen 2 battling explained is still in production
😔
Legend has it we're still waiting for it. Really want to see godlax.
As the legend goes. We are still waiting!
Would be a short video: snorlax, curse, rest talk, roar...that's it.
How good were ghost types actually? We got the gen 1 moves vid back, we can get the type vids back.
He should do either Dragon or Psychic type first, since they're worth talking.
@@missplayer30 How about flying?
There's a video about all the gen 1 ghosts
Gengar only
@@Ropalme1914 I don't get what missplayer is on about ghost would be just as good as any but psychic isn't bad.
@@Ropalme1914 the videos talking about an entire type go over the pokemon and moves to so i really don't see your point. And it's weaknesses and strengths may not be top of the top but poison is a type with very few weaknesses and fighting is strong and everywhere. bug is used very little though admittedly the dark weakness sucks but that's what all types are a list of weakness and strengths psychic is not worse than say dragon. it's got 3 weaknesses all offensively common, 4 resistances and offensively 1 immunity 1 resistance and 1 super effective. psychic and dragon seem comparable to me.
Gen II was when (almost) everything changed, more on that in a year probably.
It was when gen 1 kings fell from their glory. Less than half survived in gen ll.
@@Y-all-mofos-need-Talos
At the time I'd say you're correct but over time I'd argue that was Gen III. The only ''Kings'' from Gen I that were effectively killed off in the meta were those whose only advantage was their speed. Besides breeding and held items, Gen II was more like the ultimate upgrade to Gen I.
Gen III made trading with the previous generation impossible.
A lot of things were introduced or changed in Gen II but its still kind of a massive upgrade of Gen I with only minor set backs like reworking the TM's and the Special Split affected the way crits work in the game nerfing some OP pkmn, but solved some major issues from the first game like fixing the Ghost/Psychic problem with Shadow Ball, improved on the gameplay by taking full advantage of the Friendship system itroduced in Yellow. On top of that you could trade with Gen II so whatever random effect the Special split would do to your Gen I pkmn and your battle strategy was easily verifiable when trading.
What really changed the game's meta was the introduction of abilities which gave the pkmn unique properties during battle, natures which rendered some pokemon useless and others OP deppending on their stats and battle strategy and much stronger than even the Shiny pkmn in Gen II, but above all double battles which gave a whole new dimension to the competitive battle scene. Finally the thing for which all gamers complained, the core engine was completely redesigned from scratch and you couldn't trade with the previous Gen.
Well it's been 6 months now so yeah probably a year
Everyone: Wait where's Snorlax?
Snorlax: Y'all mind if I *BECOME GOD?*
Still not here a year later
It would be pretty awesome if there was an ability that recreated Gen 1's no-recharge-on-ko effect
Ability: Victory Roar
Description: If a pokemon KOs with a recharging move, skip the recharge turn. Ability still activates when destroying a substitute. Signature ability of Mega Tauros
Flavor: When the pokemon KOs with an extremely powerful attack, it lets out a roar that instantly rejuvenates them.
The flavor is too op. Instant health? What are you trying to do, kill everyone in OU and Borderline? Mega Rack-zay-uh can't even beat Mega Tauros then!
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I think the flavor text was trying to say it replenishes stamina, not health. It could’ve been phrased a bit better though.
@@Akyure bruh, he's clearly not talking about health.
@@ningenslayer6306 you are correct.
@@gregorymirabella1423 ok
I watched the first two vids in preperation for this and I gotta say... You've gotten a lot better in a year. Keep up the great work!
I do wish Hyper Beam and its different variations gain back the "no recharge if it knocks something out" mechanic in the next gen.
Just imagine the possibilities:
Blast Burn Mega Zard-Y
Hyper Beam Mega Gardevoir
Giga Impact Pinsir
Hydro Cannon Blastoise (Does Mega Launcher even boost Hydro Cannon?)
Mega Launcher boosts Aura or Pulse moves so no.
Yeah given how useless the moves are it would be a great boon to bring back the high risk high reward element. Mega wise there would also be Pidgeot, Altaria and Glalie that could benefit from access to these moves with that recharge skip mechanic as they either lack good special stab options or have a normal conversion attack bonus. That said it would have more potential than just megas as the added boost would make them more viable for Z Move Nukes
Dialga would gain a potentially brutal tool in Ubers with its signature move actually being potentially viable as it would grant a 200 base power devastating Drake and could be used afterwards with prediction which might in some cases make it a better choice over Draco Meteor.
And Hyper Beam could offer a nasty surprise kill for PorygonZ running Normalium Z for Z Conversion a 400 Base Power move off of 135 Special Attack would allow for some interesting trade offs while not being dead weight otherwise when you aren't using the Z variant.
It certainly wouldn't be as dominating as gen 1 but it would be nice to make the moves somewhat viable again...
Mega Gardevoir would destroy everything lol
@@necro5363 They need to buff the mega launcher ability i wish there is more move that can benefit it even an ice type move
@@Smart1529 If mega Launcher buffed beam, blast, bomb, bullet and or cannon moves too it would probably boost Blastoise a bit. Might also be a good second ability for Magmortar too as well as a more appropriate ability for Remoraid/Octillery and Rhyperior respectively
I've been waiting a year for this
do pinsir please
pinsir had like no use before it's mega
Hey. Tomorrow might be your day!
@@CaioXG002 Maybe It Might But Probably Not
It's time
Owen Sonnenschein: Pinsir sucked. In early gens it had to settle for moves like Hidden Power Bug lol. while heracross had megahorn
Remember everyone, Shellder can learn teleport in this gen!
Lol wth really???
Yep. Teleport was a TM for some reason.
So could Arcanine lol
@@xemnas500 lol wtf??? I'm going to go try this out brb
Kujo1597 Arcanine and Shellder teleport like Avery
How GOOD was Shedinja ACTUALLY?
You cant ignore the Balanced Hackmons god forever
tfw Sunsteel Strike though
Or mold breaker
I think impostor Chansey holds the title of the God of Balanced Hackmons
*cough cough* blissey *cough cough*
Actually decent. Even after Dugtrio got sent into the same tier as Melee Kirby, the Shedinja Stall can get some good results. It's insanely difficult to use however.
I'm a big fan of the background music in this video and the production style in general. Nice work whoever did that!
Finally I've been waiting 4ever for this vid and it was so worth the wait, thanks for completing this series FSG!.
PS: I feel like peeps don't bother watching these kind of vids before making requests (despite the amount of effort and research that goes into them) also I wonder how long folks will keep making "how good was (-insert Pokémon here-)" requests on this vid, without realizing their requests won't count on this vid... LOL!
When you've been watching for years then finally have some hope of the how good was type series continuing
Is that why there are barely any discussions about the video? Remember when people talked about what they thought of something on comment sections instead, of make this video.
Honestly this is my favorite series on the channel, it's really interesting to look back like this on an entire gen
Welkom to gen 1 battling explained after 9 months of development hopefully it has been worth the wait. (Btw im that cjuun that was poking the conversation of this video at your streams :) )
This series actually got me into the gen 1 metagame, and it's been super fun. Thanks for all the informative videos!
This is essentially what I had asked for a while back with how good were certain moves, but arguably better! Great work as always! (You misspelled Psychic by the way)
I was afraid this series was never going to be completed. Good to see it continue!
Remember when wrap could make a Pokemon have a niche ou.
Two FSG videos in one day? And a returning series as one of them? This is heaven.
Been waiting for this for over a year...thanks guys! Great stuff
bro I can't stop watching your videos. Makes me want to dig up my old gameboy and get it going!
OMG A JON TRON VIDEO AND THE PART 3 OF THIS. MY LIFE IS COMPLETE. THANK GOD!
I kind of wish that hyper Beam had it's generation one mechanics. I just think it would be fun to have a high risk high reward move
GF hates those situations were a good prediction changes the game, look at poor Aegislash.
ITS BEEN LIKE TWO GOD DAMN YEARS YES
probably shouldve mentioned blizzard had 90% accuracy in gen 1...
Welcome to gen2 battle explained waiting room.
Have a coffee.
Thanks!
Didnt Blizzard have an accuracy of 90 in this gen?
Yes
Ice, ice, baby
It did and apparently, it was originally supposed to have a 30% chance to freeze (equivalent to Fire Blast's 30% burn and Thunder's 30% paralysis) but it got reduced to 10% before the games were released.
@@ShiningJudgment666 Yes, but given the incredibly broken freeze mechanic, that's kind of a good thing. Imagine if every battle with Lorelei came down to a 30% freeze chance. You'd be dead meat unless you'd Missingno.'d Ice Heals.
@@endymallorn It is a good thing. 1st gen freeze is basically a KO without Ice Heals and the like and a 30% chance of that? No thanks. Freeze is still pretty debilitating now with just a 10% chance but make it a 30% chance? No thanks. It would be worse than sleep if there was an equivalent of Spore or something that inflicts guaranteed freeze if it hits.
I wait every Sunday morning for these videos. Love from Aus
Finally!!! Waited so long for this one!
Please do more of these more often! I like them even more than your species retrospectives.
I've been waiting ages for this video, thank you
He came!!! He freaking came! Finally! It's year since you've been there!!!
Now, I can shut the hell up of urging you of shit.
I've never mentioned it, but I love the chill background music that plays in these videos. :)
Oh how I have waited for this! Thank you!
So he actually did it? Nice. I really liked these, would definitely watch continuations about later Generations.
Glad to see this through to end at long last!
I’ll look forward to gen 2 later!
For now, how GOOD is Scyther ACTUALLY?!
OMG FINALLY THE TRILOGY IS NOW COMPLETE
Lol a ledian video? Can't wait to watch it after this. You make the absolute best competitive Pokemon videos. I went from 1033 elo to 1500 after watching your videos and learning the basics. Also a proud anti landorous.
2:28 Psyhcic
@Patrick William You were so close. Just a few months earlier and you might've had it.
I realized that!
About a year later...
One year later
I can't wait to see this branch out into other gens. Great work!
The way the move Counter works in Gen I is amazing. Negatives: only works for Normal enad Fighting moves AND you need to survive it; Positives: the most common moves are Normal (Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Slash and very very rarely Submission) AND you can Counter it when you wants. Snorlax and Chansey with Counter now seems like beasts. omg :O
Holy hell, this video actually got made.
Ayy, nice. Wonder if we can get gen 2 next, but I don't mind if not
I like how this and Jon Tron's new video were uploaded the same day. My favorite difference in Gen 1 battling was probably Toxic reverting to normal poison on Switch.
These videos almost always make me pull out my 3DS or play Pokemon Showdown
Been looking forward to this!
I wonder if you'll do some Let's Go battling videos, as it seems to be like a suped-up version of the gen 1 metagame.
Doubtful.
I honestly wouldnt mind if the focus of the channel partially shifted to have more videos like this, about battling in each generation
Excellent video! Thanks for uploading!
The forgotten counterpart of Skarmory, just how good was he?
How GOOD was Mantine ACTUALLY?
Requisite *I WILL NEVER GIVE UP*
ABOUT TIME THIS CAME OUT
Its here. I can’t believe it. My life is complete
Thank you for putting this video up. Also Scyther pls
it's been 1000 years, but its finally here
it's finally here omg
I remember seeing the animation for hyper beam and being jaw dropped
Love your video's False Swipe Gaming.
Playing blue on virtual console I liked that slowbro got t wave and a +2 to its special attack and defense. Hoping to see more of the history of sweepers/other roles in competitive pokemon
It's finally here!
"Gen 2 will come eventually" he said
"in a year"
Two episodes in one week I’M TRIPPING OUT
About time, I thought you forgot about this series
A year later ( and 4 days) and gen 2 has yet to come.... damn you man XD
this is what we wanted, this is what we came for
The long awaited finale
ITS FINALLY HERE!!!!
FINALLY I MISSED THIS SERIES
Yes its finally here.
Congratulations you finally did it it only took you a year
NANI?!? 2 VIDEOS! It really is Christmas season :)
FINALLY, IT’S BACK!
Oh shit the return of the 3rd part
I am happy to see this. Thank you.
Seismic Toss also works on Gengar in Gen 1 which makes it even better and Haze would be worth mentioning when removing screens
Awesome video guys!
PART 3 LIVES! OUR CRIES HAVE BEEN HEARD!
I would like to see this series continue for at least Gen 2 and 3.
It's finally here! 😁
I know nothing about competitive gen 1 battling. I've caught a few smogon tourney games with it though, and judging from what I've seen, it's "blizzard, explosion, hyper beam, sleep move" for attacks. And Taurus and Snorlax being top tier :p
What do you mean with Psychic making Starmie faster than Alakazam at 2:45? I've tried to search what I supose is a bug but can't find anything.
Same. I'd like to know
The modifier that affects speed from paralysis gets checked again when you have another stat down. This effectively puts you down to -3 speed if you get the special fall from psychic. A similar bug happens when you're paralyzed and agility. Since it's an increase and not a decrease, it forgets about the paralyze speed drop and instead leaves you at +2.
I don't know the specifics, but I know it has to do with stat modifier memory allocation in the code.
False swipe. I found this three years later. Plz I need this for gen 2 and 3 🥺
IT'S **HERE**
well, we're waiting! movie references aside it has almost been 1 year since this was uploaded
That music is pretty chill.
So in the Zapdos video it is said that the bird become more prevalent because of recent discoveries and I'm guessing that was the body slam discovery. Makes sense if you need to paralyze some terrifying gen 1 normal types.
Omg. Those where the first videos I watch on your channel and I was so freaking confused where part 3 was...
Only Pokemon channel I watch anymore and I don’t even play. Fucking top tier content
The reason Body Slam doesn't paralyze Normal types is because it shares the type. Same reason why Thunderlbolt doesn't paralyze Electric types. But any move can inflict status conditions if it's a different type. Tri attack can freeze Ice types, burn Fire types, and Twineedle can poison Poison types.
These sorts of interactions are really fascinating--couldn't Twineedle also poison Steel types at one point?
Also pretty entertaining that the "meta" actually shifted with new discoveries, a decade and a half after the game came out in English.
@@Camurgladius just gen 1 things
This was explained in Pokemon Stadium 2
@@sergioav7278 When I said "just gen 1 things" I meant the meta change after years of play and also as a jab at the gen 1 brokeness. Tri Attack specifically is a gen 2 glitch. Sorry I didn't explain it it very well.
He did it he finally did it
I never thought I would see the day
Holy hell it's actually here
I can't wait for gen 2 battling explained.
History of Captain Falcon in competitive SSB I REFUSE TO GIVE UP!
*it is here*
Gen1 was so small that you basically covered the entire list of feasible moves in the game in one video lol
Forgot to say the move “bind” in addition to the “wrap,clamp,and fire spin” pokemon like onix or tangela use it,with tangela being half decent in generation 1,it could use stun spore and bind away
Tangela was massively outclassed by Exeggutor (only getting Swords Dance to boost its weak attack stat but I guess ParaBind that resists EQ is a narrow niche but Victreebell can do it better since it gets Wrap through its pre-evolutions). Onix was also white hot garbage. Massive base defense (second highest in Gen 1 only behind Cloyster) ruined by a horrendous HP stat and an awkward speed tier that it can't take advantage of. Graveller was better in UU due to having some offensive presence and still it countered UU's electrics while Rhydon and Golem, well, they're just far superior.
Finally!!!! I suggested this video during your how good was venasaur times...