MAKE THEM RAGE | Dimir Blue/Black Mill for Standard 2020
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thought erasure thought erasure bond of insight thought erasure thought erasure.
i have no words for your cruelty
I got two words for your apparently virgin ears/eyes:
Eight rack.
Sounds like a wartime atrocity to me.
That game against Sonic Flash- he stayed til the very end... But I agree, I don’t feel bad for him either
Sonic boom
@@elchingon12346 Simic the Hedgehog
There is a certain artifact that is coming out for mill,mans its very powerful I'm excited to see what you can do CGB.
which artifact?
I really wish they'd just go back to having fewer counterspell effects overall. I'd rather deal with Counterspell x4 than 600 counterspells with more limited (but still not niche) usage. Decks like Simic flash are just really unfun to play against, even when you win.
Chantal Beck No, it's the designers' responsibility.
Chantal Beck lmao shut up
It's ok, we just need Carnage Tyrant standard legal again 🙃
Milling simic flash was another level of pleasure. Thanks.
This is similar to a Dimir Mill deck I used for a fair bit this standard. A few cards that I found value in with this deck are:
Scheming symmetry- A good tutor that removes its own downside with a mill deck (especially with Ashiok). Also, plays so well with Kefnet. When your opponent figures out that they shouldn't grab their best card for fear of mill, just don't mill them to keep them wondering.
Wall of lost thought- a great way to slow down aggro, can also be bounced with a tyrant's scorn for reactivation. Turn 3 scheming symmetry into wall, is very nice.
Aid the fallen- a single copy has gotten me out of many jams. When your bond of insight hits your tucked Kefnet, getting it (and Ashiok) back to hand is a big gain.
@João Eduardo I'd be happy to. It'll have to be a little later today, but you should have a list at the end of the day (with Sideboard)
Nice
Epic comment
@João Eduardo
www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2274773#arena
So here is my decklist. Its pretty rotation proof, just swap out the Drowned Catacombs. I like to run the deck with a few more Thought Collapse (because Im a gross control mage at heart) but this is a little more mindful of Teferi in standard queue.
there's a bunch of mill comming with eldrain, maybe it'll be even stronger
It's the reason why i'm packing leyline of sanctity in the sb post rotation. Granted, eldraine is providing some annoying cards that don't target.
I just recently started playing magic, and the first thing I did after begining to understand how to play was build a Dimir deck. I have a playable outline deck built, but I'm having trouble figuring out a strategy to use. I have quite a few cruel cards (specifically blue ones), but I think I want to include some cards with trample and more blues that make your opponent nil cards out. The Planeswalker you used is probably definitely going to become part of it. I just want to be an all around nightmare to play against lmao
CGB got tired of facing random Ashioks and decided to be himself the degenerate that ruins everybody's game
Self mill it's still alive with all no rotation cards in standard 2020 !
Mill is not gone. i have faced many mill decks in the 2020 event. And they are not that bad. Bonds of Insight, God Eternal, Drowned secrets, Ashiok, That Wall. Lots of ways to still mill people.
Great video as always, god that felt good to watch that sonic flash get killed after they drew what exactly what they needed every time.
Ive found That wall of thoughts is a must
I found it to be the opposite :D
CovertGoBlue dissent amongst the ranks!
"It just makes you an unfun person to play against"
He was playing simic flash dawg, the guy is already beyond degenerate for playing such a boring game of draw / pass / go. Nobody who plays simic flash is fun at parties.
Good Fun MTG gameplay in this video... said no one ever
Troll?
I love mill. I'm glad you made this, I have also been experimenting with Drowned Secrets but still haven't found a sweet spot.
This is a really good deck as of right now the only change I would suggest as maybe adding two murders instead of the Elder spell due to the fact we are not seeing nearly as many Planeswalkers right now
THERE IS HOPE in Risen Reef and Jace Wielder of Mysteries as you mill your own deck! #playingwithyourself
I personally would throw in a few "Thought Collapse
s" and a single "Clear the Mind". Also, I question the usefulness of the "Cryptic Caves". Tapping one and sacrificing another land for a single card draw doesn't seem very efficient. Maybe "Emergence Zone
" to allow for a flash play if your opponent drops a lot of hasted critters on you would be better.
Love watching you torture the flash deck
I just want to say thank you for beating the guy who gave you the "Good Game" emote to try and trick you. It was cathartic.
I played a deck similar to this one and got to diamond last season with it. It was infuriating when I faced reanimators and didn't draw Ashiok.
I do love mill. It's beautiful. I already have a playset of Drowned Secrets. one of the first things I crafted. Mill is life. It definitely took a hit with rotation, but it's getting some neat things too.
Great deck, thanks having a good time with it 👍👍
The first deck I made for the event was essentially a budget version of this. Probably a bit too budget, I didn't win a lot and ended up scrapping the deck. But I didn't feel like spending a bunch of wildcards for an event that's not gonna be around long just before the new set comes out.
Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage....
The world is a vampire
I am running this deck, and I love it. I don't run the drown secrets, I needed more board sweepers.
What's the point of mill? It's basically burn but treating there deck like their lifetotal. So its slower.
Edit: also I would use Lillian's triumph. Great against simic flash and feather.
Joseph Fitzpatrick mill puts your opponent in a position where they can’t rely on draws or putting cards on top. You make your opponent afraid of their deck as well as yours. It’s a beautiful fear tactic
@@ComboBreakerMLP why cant they rely on draws? The only good thing seems like ashiok for graveyard hate and taking away library searching. Otherwise whether I'm control or aggro most the time I'm happy to let the opponent play mill card to get ahead on tempo.
You can feel how the hopes and dreams they put in their decks fade away with each milled card.
Right now in Standard, the point is that you're killing the opponent's creatures/spells before they even get to play them. It's particularly good against creatures that are hard to deal with, like the God Eternals, Indestructible and Hexproof. Plus, the opponent can't really rely on their deck anymore, 'cause there's a good chance what they're looking for is going into the grave sooner or later, and if that's their win-con, they're screwed if they have no way to bring it back. Many Control decks also have a hard time against Mill, 'cause they're usually not built to deal with it and usually rely on finding a specific card to win the game
Now, there was a time in MTG where certain cards would have improved effects once either you or the opponent had X cards in their graveyard. Right now, there's none. There also used to be a higher amount of cards that had some kind of effect *and* milled. Right now, there's only Bond of Insight and Enter the God Eternals. So it wasn't just "mill the opponent down to 0". Problem is that, for a very long time, there hasn't been any Mill synergy in Standard, because people complained so much about alternate win-cons (and still complain today). At least Eldraine is bringing back Mill synergy so that milling isn't your sole win condition, but it will still be the least supported strategy.
i'd say it's because every point of "life total" in a mill deck has *personality*
Once Eldrain gets released, don't forget to visit Historic, just so you can abuse Psychic Corrosion with Magic Mirror and/or Folio of Fancies. Speaking of Magic Mirror... that along with Jace for Standard too... :P
I bought the lounge pants with all mtg symbols and a swamp shirt from haunted flower, damn they're comfy, love your content CGB.
wow thanks!
Nice insight about Legion's End.
Hey cgb, what if you used 4 leylines of the void and a bunch of mill and removal and use Kaya's ultimate to deal tons of damage? Maybe use kayas ghost form, ultimate her and still get her back
Sounds like your kind of janky deck. Scheming symmetry and mill
this is a different deck but very exciting. ashiok serves the same purpose as the leyline; maybe some or all copies of leyline go in the sideboard and you let ashiok do the work. the third color for kaya is problematic, though. maybe you splash white just for her
I made this video, called exile tribal
@@covertgoblue great, I'll check that out
Love the horns...
Youve got a pretty chill vibe and describe your plays really well, i wish you would play best of three though
Finaly!
A realy good and spicy deck.
Eldraine has some really good cards to make this work better.
which ones are you liking ?
@@kmp101 Drown on the Loch comes to mind pushing Ashiock to the Sideboard to wish in with new fairy if needed to exile the GY.
Great vid man. I have a question for anyone who reads this. Did Merchant rip off CGB's thumbnail layout or the other way around? I guess I could go look myself...ugh/
edit* looks like CGB sniped it from Merchant. CGB still better tho. I just hate when I blindly click on a video cuz of the familiar thumbnail and I don't hear "Hello and welcome back to a day in the arena..." within the first 10 seconds.
Interesting behind the scenes, I was looking for an editor and Merchant recommended his editor to me when we met at PAX. So we have the same person/company that makes our thumbnails. Its not about ripping each other off.
@@covertgoblue haha OHH. this makes better sense. You are still better ;)
Nice video as always, but can you please make a golgari reanimator deck for m20 standard, I want to see it so badly, hope you can do it :D
seconding this. i'm personally not a fan but a close friend of mine has been brewing one since the GRN meta and he'd be ecstatic
Reanimate what?
I think this type of mill would be better like the current blue / simic decks which is the enchatment with some draw and just pure counters
Hi I have tried to make mill work for the last 5 sets
tbh the best deck i have constructed doesn't even use patient rebuilding as there is no room and the shell I have conjured uses drawn from dreams
Personally imma miss them truly but its not dead :)
youre always trying to make this bond of insight and enter the god eternals work 😂👍
Good job man!
What are some good cards coming up in ELD that slot in nicely into this deck? Haven’t been keeping up with the spoilers. Any cards in particular that ‘wow’ you enough to put in to upgrade once they release?
Hard to remember the card names while typing this comment on the toilet, sorry
CovertGoBlue Came across “Didn’t Say Please” and “Merfolk Secretkeeper” after a quick scroll through the subreddit. Didn’t Say Please is functionally identical to Thought Collapse, and considering you didn’t include that I’d assume it’s in your opinion this deck doesn’t really have a place for a counterspell; I wouldn’t really know what I’d swap it out for anyway. Merfolk Secretkeeper is another story, however. Its adventure is “Target player puts the top four cards of their library into their graveyard” for U. If Kefnet will be able to copy adventures, even better, now you can make your opponent dump 8 cards for only 2 mana. The Secretkeeper itself is okay, it’s a 0/4 for U.
After playing I’d say the most glaring issue is that there are no proper answers for big creatures as it currently exists. It’s a good deck, I won most of the time and I never even really play mill, but all the losses felt avoidable if only I had an answer for big creatures like I do Elderspell for planeswalkers. Maybe Didn’t Say Please or Thought Collapse would be good to include in that sense. This deck is pretty decent at peeping at your opponent’s hand, so maybe after spotting a big threat with a Thought Erasure or Legion’s End early on, one could remember to leave 3 mana open to counter said threat later AND mill at the same time. Just something to be considered. The only other option I could think of was including an actual removal spell, but none come to mind that also mill your opponent at the same time, so I’d probably go for a counterspell because of the overall versatility. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it, though.
I don't think the opponent holding priority on the flash deck is anoying or anything. It's not only correct, it affects the effectiveness of the deck. The parte where you have to think if the opponent has more counters or not is really relevant for tempo. Like, when your spell resolved fast and you just dumped your hand without a worry in the world. Sure he could linger a lottle bit less...and pass his own turn faster, since there's no cards he'd want to main phase too...
Yep, thought exactly the same. Not that i like flash players in the slightest but he should be able to play out his deck rightfully
@@tristank.3406 yeah, it's not a very good deck unless it really gets things on the right timing. But when it does, it just feels very unfair, with the frilled mystics pounding you while negating any plays.
Fair enough, sometimes I share my views to release frustration
How will you upgrade this with Throne of Eldraine? My thoughts:
+4 Drown in the Loch
+2 Epic Downfall
+2 Opt
-3 God-Eternal Kefnet
-2 The Elderspell
-2 Legion's End
-1 Cry of the Carnarium
Thanks!
Opt is already available and Epic down fall and Drown in the Loch are just other useful cards not really upgrades.
@@kmp101 Opt is not a part of current 2020 standard as it is yet to be reprinted. Drown in the Loch is a must imo.
@@jakubcizek4716 oops yes Opt is only in Standard right now not 2020.
That thornwood falls dragged out the game 9:28
now i see why this deck is appears in my arena games
I love the deck but I found a real trouble spot when the opponent gets a creature of over 4 toughness. Thats why I splash white for unconditional removal and t3eferi to get the multiple sorceries cast at Instant speed.
There is Cast Down, Murder, Ritual of Soot that ca deal with x/4+ creatures until ELD comes out
So its not just me. More often than not I get opponents who play this slow. What really kills me a mono red players who go this slow...
Ads are strong as of lately.
Jace self mill meme deck?
Sunday I played a game against simic counter, with my simic +1+1, the game was kind enough to give him a draw that would won him the game, I used essence capture on it, the irony was so sweet
Any thoughts on Scheming Symmetry. You break the symmetry of the effect making it basically an imperial seal that costs no life
Its not a good card in my opinion. Unless you can make a special setup the opponent gets their card first
@@covertgoblue I agree, but if you use Scheming Symmetry, then immediately mill it seems really good. I guess if they know they are against mill they could put something they specifically want in the graveyard on top. Like you said it isn't good, but it seems like if there is any deck where it would work it would be mill.
Great video, but it needs more Cavalier of Flames
"It just makes you an unfun player to play games with" ... Says the guy playing mill ! ;D
You got me
I've waited for this yeeees
My gruul deck eats dimir decks and simic flash for breakfast. I enjoy it as long as i can. In one week that will change... but anyway i neither have sympathy for thought erasure decks or simic flash.
Mill is the best!!
I see Mill I Like
as much as i love your videos. I would love more high elo decks. Ive been #557 mythic and atm are 96%mthic. I wanna see some ideas for high elo. i only played jeskai and grixix for 2 seasons. And also. Keep the good work, i mean it when i say i love you videos
memes get views, but I play good decks too. Gotta space it out. Plenty of good decks are covered on the channel if you go through the upload history. Peaked at #12 mythic personally, sitting around 150 right now.
Lol. Nice ad break.
Oh, you bastard.... lol
Simic Flash players have micros and feel like they need to take it out on everyone else, change my mind.
I've seen mono green and Gruul aggro decks shit all over simic flash.
The fact that some of them have like 20 counterspells so they just spam them at absolutely every card you play, turning counterspells into braindead cards a monkey could play, instead of being a great response to o.p. strategies is what bugs me the most. I hate counterspell decks not because I hate counterspells but because of the amount of them even in standard format.
the new set has allot of mill support xD
21:10 - You really should've slammed the Kefnet first.
Sure, hindsight and all, I had my reasons
All I can say is first go at this deck I go Esper control into esper control into Grixis control.... So much creature hate and I never get a chance to use all just dead cards... feels bad. to top it off my quest is "destroy 15 creatures" :||
I’d like to run this with thieves of sanity and haunt of hightowers. Which cards would you consider okay to swap out?
Ashiok and ugin I guess, though I wouldn’t change those cards personally. If you love those cards I understand
@@covertgoblue Well, Ashiok and Haunt of Hightower seem to combo really well, so I wouldn't want to lose the Ashiok. Plus I like the dream theme of the deck.
Also Ugin? He's not listed in the deck, did you mean Kefnet?
sure, kefnet
Make a food deck post rotate! Oko
Some of these cards are just straight busted for black..
Yeah I disagree about going full control mode and waiting to crack lands or whatever. If that's how you're going to play in ranked then there's no shame in practicing your play style in normals. It's okay if some youtuber gets salty and calls you names, do what you need to do to improve your game.
It is what it is, I can’t control how people play a game anyways. Sometimes I complain to feel alive
We all do. You should see my face each time I run into simic flash, however I just didnt want anyone to feel discouraged about their play style.
Play monored Chandras please - most fun I've had in magic in a while. Regulator just breaks them so bad. XD
Oh yeah, I did use them Chandras to trash this mill deck, FYI. ;)
I made a chandra deck video
Love it when simic flash loses.
ayaya
Why not run thief of sanity
I personally don't like mill decks, not this kind at least. But hell if it's not the perfect punishment for those insanely triggering flash+counter mega bullshit decks.
Wow! what an annoying deck!
I Love it!
No scheming symmetry? it makes me sad.
it works great with mill and kefnet.
That card is a no-thanks for me
@@covertgoblue Why? In mill, it's a 1 cost tutor without downside.
I hope he got mad. Love seeing counter decks and mono red get shut down.
Mill looks fine for eldraine, a few new tools are coming.
Mill is my favorite win con.
Why not play jace from war?
Not enough goodness for me
think how much of a punk you gotta be to play flash counter when you just copy someones deck
I love mill
I'm a tad triggered everytime you say exp. Other than that your videos are awesome.
What do you want me to say? Genuinely curious
@@covertgoblue it's just xp lol
@@TheDerpable xp = exp = experience
@@lewanjosephnimick9359 Yeah but XP sounds better and its how Arena abbreviates it. I'll admit its a pretty dumb thing to call out.
@@TheDerpable They literally mean the same thing.