PLEASE NOTE - If you are experiencing problems, please don’t forget to do a factory reset on the RC-600 AFTER updating to v1.2. REMEMBER you will lose any settings or loops saved to memory if performing a reset so best to back up prior.
I've been looking everywhere for this info, thank you!! Particularly about the loop sync and the ability to start subsequent tracks/loops NOT only at the beginning of the loop. Although, I think there is still a setting missing.... plain and simply...quantize start(TO ANY BEAT)... it's like they skipped the quantize world completely. You should have the option to start new loops on - Nearest Loop start, Nearest Measure start, AND Nearest BEAT (or nearest 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th... beats). And then also Free. The only way I could think of achieving this, would be to save the shortest possible loop, saved in all your presets(and just don't use it), so that the RC600 is forced to think that the measure is only x-amount short. I did something similar on my RC300, and that's how I got around this issue. Any ideas if that is possible with the RC600?
Hi John, now the Rc600 is like it should have been since the beginning. Thanks for your video about the changes! Your vids about the rc600 are the best!
It Certainly is!! Here is the playlist to all the RC-600 videos I have made so far - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html I also have a FULL RC-600 course with over 55 unique deep dive videos in, which you can now pay for monthly! Put SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a discount - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/Bw8uzFw2/checkout And if you want 121 consultation, I do this as well: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
You can turn any of them to 3/4 by changing the beat in the settings. Go to LOOP>Rhythm>Beat. Note: You cannot change the beat after the track is recorded. Be sure to set this before recording.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK It works the 3/4 beat, thank you so much. I've got one more question. Can you change the tempo of the drumcomp by tapping by foot in the rc600 itself?
Hey brother, I bought the rc 600 course. Thank you for your information. I have a question. What if I want to use my mic input in the loop, but then have a switch that it just passes through. To where I can enable and disable weather or not the mic is being looped. But when mic is disabled from loop it just passes through. Is this possible with one switch?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I meant to ask.. can I have a switch that allows my microphone to record when I want it to record.. meaning if I’m recording guitar I don’t want my microphone to be recording as well at that time.. but I still want the microphone to pass through.. so I don’t need a mute switch.. I would need to switch that enables / disables recording of the microphone when I have it on and went i have it off
Yes you can have a mic switch but you could go one further and assign this to a specific track so when you press to record guitar on track 1, the mic mutes and when you press track 2, the mic unmutes. 👍🏻 Get into assigns. That will be the answer.
Haha. Well that is very kind. 🙏 😊 Here is the playlist to all the RC-600 videos I have made so far for you to binge watch - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html I also have a FULL RC-600 course with over 55 unique deep dive videos in, which you can now pay for monthly! Put SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a discount - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/Bw8uzFw2/checkout And if you want 121 consultation, I do this as well: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
Hi JP, do you know about the bug where if the measure setting for the track is set to "Auto", it sets the number of measures to whatever track is recorded first regardless of whether it is set to AUTO. It is meant to match the length of the first track with AUTO on, not the tracks that have measure set to Free, or 1, 4 etc. From the manual... "Tracks that are set to AUTO will have the same number of measures. The number of measures is determined by the first-recorded track of the tracks that are set to AUTO. For example, if all tracks are set to AUTO, the value set as the number of measures for the second and subsequent tracks will be identical to the number of measures in the first track that was recorded" This was how it worked for the rc300. The use case is that I have a short track set for beat-boxing, and then the other tracks all match whatever loop length I record. Sometimes that is 4 measures, but other times it is long for songs like "Give me one reason" by Tracey Chapman which is 12 bar blues. What made it great with the rc300 (and what the rc600 is meant to do) is that you record the drums, then a long bass line for the song and hit stop. Then you could change guitar tone, then hit record on the next track at any time, and that track would be the same 12 measure length. So it would take a few seconds to change the guitar tone, but you just hit record at the start of the 3rd measure for example, it would get to the end of the measure 16, and then automatically loop to measure 1 so that you can keep recording up to measure 3 and then hit stop. Without this, I have to wait for the entire 12 bar blues to get to the start so that I can record the guitar over the bass. Anyway, to me this seems very clearly to be a bug, and I was hoping you might have a magical fix. Fingers crossed. :) Thanks
Do have subtitles for this video? 😂 You certainly know your stuff but you had me lost at hello. I’ll need to watch a hundred times to follow you. Great video, I love your 600 tutorials and bought it because of you, thanks mate 👍🏻
John, hey! It’s been awhile since I checked in. My RC600 has been up and running great with thanks to your instructional videos. Thank you. If I may, a suggestion. I notice a lot of people still looking for a simple/clear video in how to back up the unit. As your vids are always so good thought I’d pass this on to you. Maybe you could help the RC600 community with that one ? Again, my thanks for all your great videos that helped me get my unit to work exactly how I needed it to. Best, Steve
on the 300 I would set the rhythm and tempo first ( no problem on the 600) then I would go into edit the tracks and set the loop length to specific number of measures in all 3 tracks. example TRACK 1- 3 measures (intro) TRACK 2 - 8 measure (verse) TRACK 3 - 9 measure (Chorus)... I would set all stop modes to loop end... I would put in single track play and turn loop sync OFF... thats all I had to do and I could click the next track button anytime during the loop and it would flash until the loop ended it worked in recording and playback... I can't find a video that explains how to do this on the 600 in SINGLE TRACK PLAY mode
Awesome video. Love your workflow. I can relate to what you do as a guitarist vocalist and relatively new to looping. I have a 500 but the 600 videos are relevant. I wanted to set up multi instruments in my studio through a mixer. Guitar, Bass, Drums, (small Electric rig) guitars and mic all running through a mixer and then into my RC 505 mkII. Love this little unit but its overwhelming and so many rabbit holes. I have been watching so many videos on beat boxers because all the tutorials out there for the 505 is mostly the beat boxer community. Its absolutely impressive and astonishing what these guys can do on the fly and freestyling but its all so fast and so many buttons being pushed and manipulated faders, knobs etc, fx on off, on the fly that its confusing to understand the basic workflows and sequences to a beginner with the unit. With that being said, I would love to see you do more with the 505 mk ii. An intense tutorial would be great with guitar or at least one instrument in addition to the vocal mic and beats etc. I am not sure yet if I have buyers remorse or if I am just not being patient enough but I have put in so much time with the unit already and I am really not getting it. Its just not as intuitive as my 500 and I use it with the fs 7 controller for some extra muscle and options. I was hoping to incorporate the fs 7 into my 505 mk ii to free my hands up for certain instruments but I was waiting until I had a better understanding of the unit before adding more gadgets. Hope you can give us something intensive on the mk ii in the future that can help out us slower folks. I did watch your first videos with the mk ii and it was fun to watch you play with it on the fly and figure it out, I definitly learned some things but that was more you experimenting and figuring it out on the fly. If you have had some time to play with it and can now show us some basic level mastery with it I can't wait for that video. Cheers.
Hi 👋 This is fascinating and I think that would be something I would like to dive into. You are right, most of the videos (over 90% of them) are about beatboxing where they are only using either one mic or another pedal into the 505/505mkii via one stereo. What you want you can TOTALLY do and have much more control of the lips due to the individual volume controls for each of the 5 loops. Let me look into this and maybe a course could be on the horizon for the 505mkii but from a singer songwriters perspective.. 😉
@@JohnPaulMusicUK "Let me look into this and maybe a course could be on the horizon for the 505mkii but from a singer songwriters perspective.. 😉" Exactly what I was hoping for. Not really anything out there for this application with the 505mkii but I believe it's just as useful for this as it is for the beatboxers. Reinhardt Buhr is an amazing example. I look forward to see what you come up with. Only because I find it easy to learn from you. It's clear and simplified and easy for me to follow you. I guess it's my learning style. Thanks again and Happy Looping you.
Thanks for the video, JP. I've been trying to explain this for people since the update was released. The new sync options actually gives me more creative options in both Multi and Single mode. It is awesome!
You're both fantastic for going through this and explaining to people that it can actually be done! Like others, I'm incredibly happy with this option now! Cheers, JP! Keep up the amazing content.
Hi, I have been dealing with Roland for over a year now. A known issue has not been resolved, and I don't see it mentioned in this video. I've been unable to use the 600 in a professional setting. Would love to know if any other users have experienced it? The RC 50 and 300 did not have the same issue. Settings- Loop sync on, Multi Playmode, and measure set to Auto. (Tried toggling on/off quantize and tempo sync) The problem is that the second track intermittently (maybe 30% of the time) adds a gap of space at the beginning of the synced track, resulting in the subsequent tracks not synced property. The engineers at Roland wrote me the following message on 4/12/22 and have not issued a firmware update to fix- "Thanks for reaching out and contacting Roland BOSS USA Operational Product Support about the RC-500 and RC-600. We've documented the issue and were finally able to recreate a similar issue on our RC-600, just with a default Memory Location. Seemed to occur on TRACK 2 as well however not an overdub but just a TRACK 2 first loop, some small gap of sound is filled with white noise between the tail and head of the loop stem.Very strange and odd indeed."
Hey 👋 Oh that is rare. I’ve not come across that myself. Wonder if it down to the unit itself or the firmware?! Have they offered to swap the RC-600 for another one to rule out the problem with a faulty board? Although as I type that, they have said they have been able to replicate it themselves.. so hopefully they can just address that in firmware.. But it has done a bit quiet on the firmware front at the mo. Fingers crossed they solve it. Very frustrating thou.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you so much for your reply! I've tried another 600 to rule out hardware. I've corroborated this with other working musicians and everyone has sent theirs back and moved on. The 600 is a fail as far as professional, live performance goes if you're using the gear like this- Multi, Auto measure, no saved tracks/tempos. I use mine strictly improvisationally. I clear the tracks after each song and start fresh. The first track dictates the loop length for the other tracks. What's happening 30% of the time is the second track adds space on the front end of the loop as it comes back around. I've used several loop pedals for the past 20 years including the RC 50, 300, Boomerang, and Ditto with no issues. This is definitely a software bug and a shame they haven't resolved it.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi John, can you please share your settings? I'd like to A/B to see if I can determine the culprit. I know for sure it's not quantize or tempo sync.
A lot more now with the latest version. I like it by measure but you can have different loop syncs for different scenarios.
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Thank you very much for your work. I've seen that you have some videos on the channel about Headrush looperboard. It would be great to have a comparison video between the rc-600 and the pedalboard. I've searched on TH-cam and so far I haven't found a professional who has had both machines in his hands and can make a serious comparison. For me it is difficult to choose between these two options and I would like to improve my rig. Thanks JP!
Thanks 🙏 Here is the playlist to all the RC-600 videos I have made so far - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html I also have a FULL RC-600 course with over 55 unique deep dive videos in, which you can now pay for monthly! Put SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a discount - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/boss-rc-600-course-page And if you want 121 consultation, I do this as well: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
Anyone experiencing an issue when switching to a new track while recording? If my track is already recorded and playing, it switches fine, but if I'm recording and switch to a new track, it cues the new track, plays the first bar of the track I'm switching from, and then switches. This results is the current track playing over the new part for a bar, and a new track is missing the first bar of the new part. I haven't done a factory reset yet but I'm just wondering if anyone else is getting this bug? It's pretty annoying. Thanks!
@@ashevillevideoproduction it didn't do this before the update, which is why I'm asking if anyone else is getting this behaviour. After a factory reset it still happens so I guess it's a bug. It's not too much of a problem to be honest, with this update I can use the looper as I originally intended which is to load each track with pre recorded phrases. It's just a slight pain for when I'm jamming.
That is exactly the problem I'm having right now. I recorded a track in serial mode (verse), let it play, then tried to record another track in serial mode (chorus). The new track does not start recording right away. The undesirable result is I am playing the chorus live while the verse track is still playing, till the verse track finishes.Then I'm recording the remainder of the chorus. Not helpful. I'm seriously considering going back to the VL3X. Only three tracks, but do I really need six?
@@jimpellinger This is fixed with the new update v1.2. It is the "Expanded Loop Sync Options" where we want to make sure loop sync is set to "Immediate". Also when we do the update, it 's useful to do a factory reset after the update to make sure everything is working properly.
@@kevinharpermusic have you looked into the new "Expanded Loop Sync Options" where you can set the loop sync to "Immediate"? That might be the issue you're running into. It also sounds like you might be possibly running into something else. But hopefully it is the loop sync.
My loops have a gap in between them which makes them a bar out of time. How to fix it please! Yours seems to be fine in this video. Or do you have a video that explains how to fix this?
You need to look at the loop measure and also when you are pressing the pedal to close the loop out. I tend to press it just before the start of beat if you are using it with the rhythm. Download the parameter guide and have a look at page 3 and look at your Loop Sync options. Mine is set to ‘measure’. Press. LOOP>Track 1-6>LOOP SYNC>MEASURE.
My rc-6oo has started going out of sync while recording a loop. Once I'm done recording the loop, everything is back in time, but while I'm recording a loop, it starts to get really wonky and out of time. It's a brand new problem and I have no idea what's going on.
For me, zero bugs on v1.21 but some others have reported issues but this version is the most stable for me. No issues. I saved all my loops, wiped the unit, updated to v1.21 and then put my loops and settings back on. Like a new machine! 👍🏼
I'm considering getting the rc600. I have an rc300 and 500 for smaller foot print. What I'm hoping for are 2 features/functions. Do you know if the rc600 can do these: 1. Can you double the length of a single loop - you can on the quad cortex looper Say you loop 1 measure (a beat) but then want to dub an 8 measure loop over it (an 8 bar chord progression). You press a x2 button twice and you get 8 bars of beat and then you can dub 8 bars of chords on top. Can something like that be done on the rc600? Or is there an option that if the dub exceeds the original loop length it automatically increases the loop length? 2. Can you bounce a loop to another in the following fashion. I create a beat on loop 1. I then do a bassline on loop 2. When I'm happy with the bassline I press a button and it gets bounced to loop 1 automatically merged. Can that be done? I saw someone post a video showing you can bounce by recording/dubbing 1 loop to another by having the 1 loop be the source input for another and this way you then have to play the source through while recording or dubbing to the other loop for the bounce to work. I'm trying to see if there is a way without having to wait for it to play through a second time, some automatic merge function? I basically want to use loop 1 to create a 1-2 measure rhythmic/bass layer. Then in loop 2 make an 8 bar harmony and either bounce that to loop1 modifying loop1s length to 8 bars automatically via the bounce, or to have an option to increase the length of loop 1 like in the QC looper and then bounce loop2 down to loop 1 either via dub recording or by an automated switch. Is any of that possible on the rc600? Why I want to work like that is make sure that each layer is good before before bouncing to another loop. Then build up song sections in each loop with multiple dubs. I don't want to just dub because after the first, the undo undoes all but the first and I want to dub with different length loops that follow the first dub as a measure working in indices of 2 of that length. I'm not sure if that makes sense or not.
Hey Johnny 👋 So it’s kind of done in a different way. Firstly you can’t double the length of the loop as it stands at the moment. This is a feature I used in the Headrush Looperboard. However… There are 6 loops to play with and there certainly is Bounce. You can do a bounce that is instant so when you press bounce, it just shoots over to where you have set. There is also a feature that most people don’t talk about (and I am ONLY just starting to play with and understand) which is ‘Mark Back’. Mark back you set a point, record what you want, including multiple overdubs, hit mark back and it reverts to that point. This is really useful and can generate breakdowns and you can set when it can undo. Plus the other way you can look at it, is to utilise the 6 loops on all one mode, meaning you have more control using all 6 loops than recording and bouncing, you could stop/start each one, dub all 6, undo all 6. It’s way better for control. The other nice thing is you can combine single mode and multi mode. I do this a lot to have multi mode rhythm(beatboxing) and then still have a verse and a chorus etc.. have a look at this and hope this helps you. 👍🏼 th-cam.com/video/qhKXUEBp6rA/w-d-xo.html
Hi JP. Have you had any further issues with the update version 1.21? I am having a few issues with the pedal crashing during some rehearsal performances on 1.21 For example I have an FC300 midi pedal board running into the RC600 as a set of extension switches. I have had issues where tap tempo is causing midi overload (?????) This is just one of a few issues I have with the 1.21 firmware. Another is the pedals not reacting correctly while I am tracking across multiple loops (i.e. start track 3, then work on track 2.) I am in the process of reporting these issues to Roland themselves, but I thought I would ask here if it is a user error (quite likely) or unit error? For reference I am using only the FC300 + rc600. Nothing else is on the midi connection.
Hey 👋 So I’ve heard a few people having issues and those crashes always seem to be midi induced. Quick question.. do you have both the midi in and out connected from the FC300 to the RC600 and back or just the midi out to midi in? Wondering 🤔 Have you attempted a full ‘back up and reset to factory’ job? I know it’s a pain in the arse.. but factory resetting and then getting a new version of 1.21 might help. 🤷♂️
@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for the quick reply, dude! Appreciate it a lot. To your first question - nope. Just midi being sent from the FC300 to the RC600. One way connection. The FC300 doesn't really receive midi from the rc600, so I don't connect it. I didn't think it pinged a round-trip. I am using the FC300 because functionaly it was better than a bunch of FS5/6/7's. To your second. Yes, I have done a factory reset twice. I messed up my CC assignments, so it was quicker to reset to factory settings than rejig things. I didn't try to reinstall the firmware because it didn't get downgraded (or infact upgraded by me). The device came prepared with system 1.21. I have lodged a ticket with Roland support because their Swansea office no longer takes phone calls, like the good old days. Cheers, Jake.
Thanks for this very helpful video. The thing that I feel is the least intuitive aspect of the three different sync options is that whereas "Immediate" and "Measure" options will start the loop from the beginning (in "Immediate" mode, immediately, and in "Measure" mode at the start of the next measure) , the "Loop length" option however unmutes the track IMMEDIATELY but continues playing from the current position. If I have understood this correctly it is quite weird and also quite clever - but rather unintuitive and a bit of a head stretch! I think I had expected "Loop length" to ALSO start playing from the start of the loop. Can you confirm that I have got this right? Cheers.
Hey Alec 👋 Yea you have this right and a bit of a head scratch indeed. Loop length is how the board was originally shipped with only that option on the first firmware. Confused a lot of us (me included) and wasn’t what people wanted. I certainly stick with measure as I can, with practice, control the loops as I see fit and all these options don’t interrupt start/stop pedals which I use sometimes as the end of a bar to ‘reset’ and start all loops quickly.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Great - thanks so much for confirming. I discovered TouchOSC for iPad this weekend and it's going to radically change the way I use my RC-600. Keep up the good work!!!
Hi, nice video! There's a thing I can't get my head around (while loop sync is on), maybe you can help me? Say i record a loop on track 1 of 4 measures long, and on track 2 I start recording an overdub on the second measure of the first loop and stop recording on the third measure, sometimes the loop on the second track ends up being 4 measures long as well (the rc-600 fills the empty spaces so to speak) so everything stays in place while looping the 4 bars, but sometimes (on another take) the loop on track 2 ends up the length of the actual recording (1 measure) and will repeat it self on every measure in stead of every 4...it seems random behavior, but maybe this has to do with the length of my recording or timing?
Hey. So yeah it’s totally down to timings. Make sure Quantise measure is on. The simple and low key way around this is to create a blank 4 bar loop on track 2. Then when you come to overdub, it’s where it should be. Alternatively, if you have dictated 4 bars for loop 1 and 2 before hand. It shouldn’t really move.
Thnx JP, for your quick response. I tried and tried, but the solution was in another setting and turned out to be very simple: go to the measure option in the (current) track settings (in my example tr. 2, default (before recording anything) it's on 'free', but instead put it on 'auto' (one down, so counterclockwise), now it will auto adjust to the amount of measures of the previous recorded track where loop sync is on. ;)
How do I get a short loop in time with the drums? I want the first drum beat to always be at the beginning of the loop. At present the drum is constant. Perfectly even. I on the other hand am human so the loop is not 100% 4 beats. Every time the loop goes around it's a liittle bit off. The longer I let it run the further off it becomes. It's driving me nuts! I know the drum can be recorded but then you can't take it out.
Hi John, how can I get 3 diferents loops in single mode with deferents numbers of measures each one ( 4, 10, 8 ) with rhythm on, and achieve that each loop starts in the beginning ?
Hey JP, i have an issue with recording, i have it set up on loop sync: loop length, and basically when i record a loop, the first one is always fine, but let’s say i want to rec on track 3 the guitar, then want to rec the beat on track 1, and track 4 is the voice, so i want to start recording the voice half way through the loop length, so i don’t get any unwanted noise getting picked up, and regarding when i hit the switch, sometimes everything is fine it records straight away, but sometimes the red led blinks until the end of the loop (for exemple) and start recording then. Which means the voice is not at the right place of the phrase playing then… so it messes up the song 😅 Thanks On the rc300 or the headrush it is fine, whenever you hit the switch it records based on the first loop recorded! Not the case on the 600… Is it something that can be fixed? For exemple when i set the loop sync to immediate it’s fine while it plays but of course when i do an all stop all start, every loop are playing at different times it should 😅 Thank you for your videos and for your replies 😊
Go into the play and Rec settings and change it to ‘measure’ instead. This means the looper will start recording at the nearest measure and is more like the 300/Headrush. This was a big ask from the community and Boss responded. 👍🏻
When i start a track, the track syncs to rhythm. But when i switch to next track, the second track is out of sync with rythm. All my tracks have sync switch on. Whether i am on immediate or measure sync mode, the track does sync to rhythm after switching to second track. Any insights?
Hey JP… apologies if this has been covered. I use a combination of single and multi modes to do songs with verse/chorus structures. I want to be able to have a single track playing as well as a corresponding multi track. Using assigns, I figured out how to stop a multi track by starting a single single, but can’t figure out how to start one.
Hi JohnPaul - I've been trying to wrap my head around Loop Sync and I have a couple questions. 1) Isn't "Loop Length" the same exact behavior as "Measure" when (as in your example here) the first recorded track is 1 measure? 2) Another thing I haven't been able to figure out is when I have the Loop Sync on and a 1-measure track one playing then I go to track two to add, say a bass line. If I press record mid-measure, I sometimes get the flashing red light countdown for the measure start to come around again, but sometimes it goes straight to record. I haven't been able to figure out what accounts for the difference in behavior. Is this just an issue of how late in the measure you press record? Like if it's on "ONE AND" it's still close enough that it starts straight away but if it's on beat THREE it knows to wait?
Correct. Which can come in handy if you know you don’t want to overdub. Then you can have all 6 tracks on play/stop and then just one button to stop the track instead of double tap! 👍🏻
How to set 3 different instruments on separate outputs? How to separate output no matter on which track? I'm getting crazy after 30 hours of looking for this option... :( HELP! In my Boss VE 8 it was so simple to separate guitar and vocal outputs. I jut don't know what to do now.
Hey 👋 So it is way more complicated but you get way more control. So firstly you need to look at your inputs. MENU>Inputs. If you are using the mic and 2 instruments in stereo, you will be fine. If you are using more than 2 instruments that require jack input then you have to decide if they are mono or stereo and in the MENU>INPUT setting decide how you want them (mono/stereo). Then back out and head to MENU>OUTPUT. You have the Outputs of the instruments and the outputs of the loops (tracks). You can utilise main, sub 1, Sub 2 and headphone out, giving you 8 outputs (headphone being stereo) Then you have routing. MENU>ROUTING - this is the loops. Where you want them to go. MENU>ROUTING>INPUT/RHYTHM - this is where you want the inputs to go. And you can choose for every input and every loop including the rhythm. It’s set that all come out of all by default. But I would advise a piece of paper and a pen and draw out HOW you want it to go.. like a mixer. Then you won’t get too lost. If you want a video call from me to help you, I do consultations which you can find here - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
Thanks JP!! I had gone back to my HeadRush looperboard for live gigs because I was so frustrated w/ the sync issues on the 600!! My back was killing me from bending over to try new settings, then my brain would turn to mush from trying to remember what I had programmed and what I hadn’t! I was seriously thinking g about selling the 600. But it sounds so good live. Especially as a working singer-songwriter. The only 2 questions I have are, do you need to tap out the BPM for each song in a live situation? And will this new update solve the problems while using the 600’s rhythms? I love the cajon rhythm as it’s the closest to playing the rhythm on the guitar. Thanks in advance for you time and advise! JB
Hey Jonathan. So I feel your pain (and the back pain). So to answer your questions, you never HAVE to tap out the bpm if you are recording your first loop, it should pick it up. If you need the rhythm first, then you could save that as a different memory. And the rhythms issue - are you talking about the intro and fill problems on the old firmware? No issues with v1.2 they have certainly done a load of bug fixes.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hey JP. Thanks for the reply. I’m looking forward to the new update, but won’t be able to install it until I get off the road. I am glad to hear that you don’t need top tap out the BPMs. I guess the old firmware had me chasing my tail. Seemed that I could record two loops and they would start in time, but after 3/4 measures you could hear begin to get out of sync. Just to be clear. The new firmware update solves the sync problem when using the 600’s rhythm, correct? Thanks again for your help and dedication to the looping world. JB
Hi John these videos are all a big help. I have a question for you. Is there a way I can make the click just come through my headphones? I can seem to find a way to do it.
Can the following be done? I think not but hope I’m wrong. 2 tracks that play complimentary parts that together comprise Part A of a song that are then simultaneously turned off when Track 3 is triggered. Basically, I want a group of tracks (in multi mode vis-a-vis each other) that together relate to another group in single mode. The idea is to get the most out of stereo staging and still be able to do the verse-chorus thing.
Yea you can. So a clean way to do it is loop 1 is in multi mode and loops 2&3 are in single mode. So you can start recording loops 1&2 and they will play together, then when you press loop 3, loop 2 will auto switch off. Then to make loop one switch off, I would use assigns. Use one assign on loop 3 to tell it to turn off loop 1, and then, another assign on loop 1 or 2 to turn off loops 3 when you press it. Up to you. Hope that makes sense?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK clever!! Makes total sense! Basically, I’d have to have a specific patch/memory dedicates to that, right? I’ve been avoiding making patches. But I think the possibilities this opens up could make diving into it worth it.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you for that. I want to pick one up but I want it to be right. Presently I am using the old RC1 with my SR18 drum machine. I like the ease of the drums on a stand but I want to expand on the loops and choices. I appreciate you replying back and doing such a great job teaching myself and others.
Hi mate. I'm having a major phasing type issue with my guitar. I run a tap tempo in to my rc600. It comes out and goes to a kaoss pad. I put my drums in the kaoss then tap in to the looper. It's all in sync then I sent my drums from kaoss to looper. The issue is when I tap a tempo and play it in to the kaoss it then somehow gives my guitar a phasing type issue. It's really frustrating. I've turned of all effects and stuff but still nothing. It's doing it without anything actually been sent it to the loop. The guitar is fine pre tapping the tempo and recording it in to kaoss pad. Any help would be awesome 👌
Sounds like the routing of the RC-600. Go into menu>input and check the separate inputs and then go to outputs and look at the routing of the loops (tracks) as well as the inputs. If the guitar is going through the looper and into the Kai’s pad and then back into the looper then it might be capturing it twice.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK yeh my guitar isn't going in to the kaoss pad. My guitar is going in to a Helix then out to instrument 1 on the left. The drums go in in to kaoss then out the instrument 2 on the left. I can't figure it out. It wasn't doing it before I updated it. I thought I had it today as it was doing OK then at gig volume it freaked out again. I'll get it but still..... I might go back and go to older download and see if that does it. Very odd
@@JohnPaulMusicUK think the inputs might be getting it to hot and it's digi clipping? I'm gonna try pull volume inputs back and also run drum tracks on sub out and give it's own line on mixer
And i’m not really sure if my reports to boss will be red 😅 But would it be possible in the future you reckon to have the opportunity to rec several tracks at the same time? Let’s say you click onto tck 1, then 4 (1being only guitar and tck 4 only voice) while you’ve already set a loop before that. Something you could do with headrush 😊
Hi John, I don't agree with you that Boss solved the Sync problem. The way you perform the tests does not show the problems that are still there in version 1.2. Set the device to: Single-Mode Sync-ON Type-"Measure" Play-Loop End Stop MODE: "Loop" Try to record and switch between two (or more) Tracks, and you will see that when the second Track is waiting to go into recording, the first Track is playing (why does it go into Play Mode??) In addition to all the synchronization options at the end of a recording (let's say of 2 channels) you want to go back and be in Play mode on the first Track, it will be immediately set to playback and not wait for the end of the recording of the last channel. In short, there is still a lot of work for Boss engineers.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Yep, Thanks It solves that issue. Now they have to solve the Rythm change Var during recording (when set to Rythm change on end of the loop), it works when Rythm change on Measure!
Does Tempo Sync need to also be turned on, or will tracks with Loop Sync alone adhere to the same tempo? I guess I just don’t quite understand the point of Tempo Sync.
1) Won't doing a Factory Reset AFTER updating to Ver. 1.20 just undo the update and restore the RC-600 back to its original configuration? ... and 2) Before I updated to Ver. 1.20 my RC-600 had frozen up 3 different times. Giving me the Error Codes: System Error (A) 268, System Error LC 748 & System Error LC 1258. Now AFTER the update to Ver. 1.20 it has frozen up more than a dozen times and it gives No Error codes. Trying to turn the unit off via the On/Off switch doesn't work since the whole thing is frozen. The only way out is to shut it off by unplugging it then rebooting. I can't see how I could ever use this thing LIVE knowing it could freeze up at any time. Any suggestions... Anybody?
Firstly doing a firmware update and then resetting to factory will erase everything on the RC-600 but it will reboot as the latest firmware without anything else. Also 1.21 is now out and regarding your crashes, if you get up to 1.21 and then factory reset, a lot of people have had there problems resolved. Not everyone but a lot on the FB groups are saying it’s a success. 👍🏻
Welp, I updated to Ver. 1.21, did the Factory Reset, & restored my loops from Back-Up. Then less than 1 hour into a practice session The RC froze up again. And gave me No Error Codes to submit. Is my RC-600 defective???
@@JohnPaulMusicUKDay 2, has Frozen Up 3 times within the 1st hour of practice during Playback. Really starting to consider that my particular unit is Defective. I don't see that anyone else has posted about having the same or a similar problem with their RC-600's. And still giving me No Error Codes as it had done before I did the last 2 updates.
JP, Quickly, How do you set your main screen on Setting 3, to MEMORY / MIC LEVEL 1 / Rhythm Level 1 / MFX Reverb like you did? I know it will probably be reviewed on my course, but just wondered. Thanks!
For the 3rd screen just use the right arrows. For the control knobs, change them by going to Menu>setup and go across to the last page and you can alter them there. 👍🏻
PLEASE NOTE - If you are experiencing problems, please don’t forget to do a factory reset on the RC-600 AFTER updating to v1.2.
REMEMBER you will lose any settings or loops saved to memory if performing a reset so best to back up prior.
I've been looking everywhere for this info, thank you!! Particularly about the loop sync and the ability to start subsequent tracks/loops NOT only at the beginning of the loop. Although, I think there is still a setting missing.... plain and simply...quantize start(TO ANY BEAT)... it's like they skipped the quantize world completely. You should have the option to start new loops on - Nearest Loop start, Nearest Measure start, AND Nearest BEAT (or nearest 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th... beats). And then also Free. The only way I could think of achieving this, would be to save the shortest possible loop, saved in all your presets(and just don't use it), so that the RC600 is forced to think that the measure is only x-amount short. I did something similar on my RC300, and that's how I got around this issue. Any ideas if that is possible with the RC600?
that makes sense. the closest is the bar one I suppose but I totally get it.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for the reply mate. :) Lets hope is a feature somewhere in the future.
Thank you JP. This is it! With this update all the previous issues with different loop lenghts are gone. It works. Thanks !!!
yay. i have to get a new door stopper now. sweet.
You are an absolute legend JP! Thank you for taking so much time to help us all out! Great informative videos! Happy Looping!
More than welcome 🙏
I was just about to sell my RC600, to get the old RC300. Thanks for the upload!
With this update, the 600 is pretty unbeatable now. Super stoked!
Hi John, now the Rc600 is like it should have been since the beginning. Thanks for your video about the changes! Your vids about the rc600 are the best!
It’s been a bumpy road but it’s getting better and better.
Just want auto harmonies for me - that’s the holy grail!
Awesome overview of the new updates. Really appreciate the in-depth you walk through those different track settings. Thank you!!!
As you know, this is one of the huge changes that I wanted. Thanks for reveiwing these changes (and thanks to Boss)!
Welcome Angus.
Interested in a video with your take on it. 👍🏻
Thanks for your videos! I've upgraded to this one from an RC-300, the -600 is simply a beast!
It Certainly is!!
Here is the playlist to all the RC-600 videos I have made so far - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html
I also have a FULL RC-600 course with over 55 unique deep dive videos in, which you can now pay for monthly! Put SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a discount - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/Bw8uzFw2/checkout
And if you want 121 consultation, I do this as well:
www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
Is there in the rhytmn tracks a pattern of a 3/4 messure? Or do you have to download it from ?
You can turn any of them to 3/4 by changing the beat in the settings. Go to LOOP>Rhythm>Beat.
Note: You cannot change the beat after the track is recorded. Be sure to set this before recording.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you very much !
@@JohnPaulMusicUK It works the 3/4 beat, thank you so much. I've got one more question. Can you change the tempo of the drumcomp by tapping by foot in the rc600 itself?
hi, watched some of the video tonite, brilliant, as you say, a lot to take in, but I will watch every day until caught up, well done man
Hi Peter.
More than welcome and here is the playlist of all the videos for you - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html
love the measure start option, very handy its you want to set 3 loops on the same measure, especially if you done have 3 feet. loving your channel
Yeah that’s a nice touch. Thanks 🙏
Thank you for this JP.
Welcome… but it’s been updated again! V1.3
th-cam.com/video/vJhTVoqEkzo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hxAfMjuPJA2r5f1D
You rule JP. I don’t know what I would do without you
That is awesome 👏
Hey brother, I bought the rc 600 course. Thank you for your information. I have a question.
What if I want to use my mic input in the loop,
but then have a switch that it just passes through. To where I can enable and disable weather or not the mic is being looped.
But when mic is disabled from loop it just passes through. Is this possible with one switch?
This is the normal behaviour of any input, XLR or jack. It will pass through and work by default and you choose when to record the loop. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I meant to ask.. can I have a switch that allows my microphone to record when I want it to record.. meaning if I’m recording guitar I don’t want my microphone to be recording as well at that time.. but I still want the microphone to pass through.. so I don’t need a mute switch.. I would need to switch that enables / disables recording of the microphone when I have it on and went i have it off
Yes you can have a mic switch but you could go one further and assign this to a specific track so when you press to record guitar on track 1, the mic mutes and when you press track 2, the mic unmutes. 👍🏻
Get into assigns. That will be the answer.
Boss should simply employ you! I’ve been holding on to my boomerang 3 because of its workflow, this video has tempted me!
Haha. Well that is very kind. 🙏 😊
Here is the playlist to all the RC-600 videos I have made so far for you to binge watch - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html
I also have a FULL RC-600 course with over 55 unique deep dive videos in, which you can now pay for monthly! Put SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a discount - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/Bw8uzFw2/checkout
And if you want 121 consultation, I do this as well:
www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
Excellent explication of the new features!
Hi JP, do you know about the bug where if the measure setting for the track is set to "Auto", it sets the number of measures to whatever track is recorded first regardless of whether it is set to AUTO. It is meant to match the length of the first track with AUTO on, not the tracks that have measure set to Free, or 1, 4 etc. From the manual...
"Tracks that are set to AUTO will have the same number of measures. The number of measures is determined by the first-recorded track of the tracks that are set to AUTO.
For example, if all tracks are set to AUTO, the value set as the number of measures for the second and subsequent tracks will be identical to the number of measures in the first track that was recorded"
This was how it worked for the rc300. The use case is that I have a short track set for beat-boxing, and then the other tracks all match whatever loop length I record. Sometimes that is 4 measures, but other times it is long for songs like "Give me one reason" by Tracey Chapman which is 12 bar blues. What made it great with the rc300 (and what the rc600 is meant to do) is that you record the drums, then a long bass line for the song and hit stop. Then you could change guitar tone, then hit record on the next track at any time, and that track would be the same 12 measure length. So it would take a few seconds to change the guitar tone, but you just hit record at the start of the 3rd measure for example, it would get to the end of the measure 16, and then automatically loop to measure 1 so that you can keep recording up to measure 3 and then hit stop. Without this, I have to wait for the entire 12 bar blues to get to the start so that I can record the guitar over the bass.
Anyway, to me this seems very clearly to be a bug, and I was hoping you might have a magical fix. Fingers crossed. :) Thanks
Do have subtitles for this video? 😂
You certainly know your stuff but you had me lost at hello.
I’ll need to watch a hundred times to follow you.
Great video, I love your 600 tutorials and bought it because of you, thanks mate 👍🏻
Thanks 🙏
Yeah.. i talk fast. 😂
If it’s too fast, TH-cam has a feature to slow it down at the bottom. 👍🏻
You solved all of my RC 600 issues! Best on TH-cam. Thanks so much🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks so much!
If you wanna take it even further check out my RC-600 course: www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/offers/Bw8uzFw2/checkout
This just made my gig happen!!! TY!!!!
Get onto v1.21 - solves the single mode issue too. 👍🏻
John, hey! It’s been awhile since I checked in.
My RC600 has been up and running great with thanks to your instructional videos. Thank you.
If I may, a suggestion.
I notice a lot of people still looking for a simple/clear video in how to back up the unit. As your vids are always so good thought I’d pass this on to you. Maybe you could help the RC600 community with that one ?
Again, my thanks for all your great videos that helped me get my unit to work exactly how I needed it to.
Best,
Steve
Hey Steve 👋
Good to hear from you. Glad the unit is behaving well. Yeah, it’s on my radar. Stay tuned. 👍🏻 😉
John, fantastic job! Thanks a lot! Cheers from Poland!
on the 300 I would set the rhythm and tempo first ( no problem on the 600) then I would go into edit the tracks and set the loop length to specific number of measures in all 3 tracks. example TRACK 1- 3 measures (intro) TRACK 2 - 8 measure (verse) TRACK 3 - 9 measure (Chorus)... I would set all stop modes to loop end... I would put in single track play and turn loop sync OFF... thats all I had to do and I could click the next track button anytime during the loop and it would flash until the loop ended it worked in recording and playback... I can't find a video that explains how to do this on the 600 in SINGLE TRACK PLAY mode
Interesting.
I will make one. 👍🏻
really appreciate your videos man, they're super helpful :)
Awesome video. Love your workflow. I can relate to what you do as a guitarist vocalist and relatively new to looping. I have a 500 but the 600 videos are relevant. I wanted to set up multi instruments in my studio through a mixer. Guitar, Bass, Drums, (small Electric rig) guitars and mic all running through a mixer and then into my RC 505 mkII. Love this little unit but its overwhelming and so many rabbit holes.
I have been watching so many videos on beat boxers because all the tutorials out there for the 505 is mostly the beat boxer community. Its absolutely impressive and astonishing what these guys can do on the fly and freestyling but its all so fast and so many buttons being pushed and manipulated faders, knobs etc, fx on off, on the fly that its confusing to understand the basic workflows and sequences to a beginner with the unit.
With that being said, I would love to see you do more with the 505 mk ii. An intense tutorial would be great with guitar or at least one instrument in addition to the vocal mic and beats etc. I am not sure yet if I have buyers remorse or if I am just not being patient enough but I have put in so much time with the unit already and I am really not getting it. Its just not as intuitive as my 500 and I use it with the fs 7 controller for some extra muscle and options. I was hoping to incorporate the fs 7 into my 505 mk ii to free my hands up for certain instruments but I was waiting until I had a better understanding of the unit before adding more gadgets.
Hope you can give us something intensive on the mk ii in the future that can help out us slower folks.
I did watch your first videos with the mk ii and it was fun to watch you play with it on the fly and figure it out, I definitly learned some things but that was more you experimenting and figuring it out on the fly. If you have had some time to play with it and can now show us some basic level mastery with it I can't wait for that video.
Cheers.
Hi 👋
This is fascinating and I think that would be something I would like to dive into. You are right, most of the videos (over 90% of them) are about beatboxing where they are only using either one mic or another pedal into the 505/505mkii via one stereo.
What you want you can TOTALLY do and have much more control of the lips due to the individual volume controls for each of the 5 loops.
Let me look into this and maybe a course could be on the horizon for the 505mkii but from a singer songwriters perspective.. 😉
@@JohnPaulMusicUK "Let me look into this and maybe a course could be on the horizon for the 505mkii but from a singer songwriters perspective.. 😉"
Exactly what I was hoping for. Not really anything out there for this application with the 505mkii but I believe it's just as useful for this as it is for the beatboxers.
Reinhardt Buhr is an amazing example.
I look forward to see what you come up with. Only because I find it easy to learn from you. It's clear and simplified and easy for me to follow you. I guess it's my learning style.
Thanks again and Happy Looping you.
Funnily enough I was only speaking with Reinhardt last week. Watch this space. 👍🏼
Thanks for the video, JP. I've been trying to explain this for people since the update was released. The new sync options actually gives me more creative options in both Multi and Single mode. It is awesome!
It really is awesome and love your quick videos Nick.
V1.2 is the game changer for loop sync people want. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK awesome. Thanks for the kind words🙈. I am now motivated to make more😁
You're both fantastic for going through this and explaining to people that it can actually be done! Like others, I'm incredibly happy with this option now! Cheers, JP! Keep up the amazing content.
Hi, I have been dealing with Roland for over a year now. A known issue has not been resolved, and I don't see it mentioned in this video. I've been unable to use the 600 in a professional setting. Would love to know if any other users have experienced it? The RC 50 and 300 did not have the same issue. Settings- Loop sync on, Multi Playmode, and measure set to Auto. (Tried toggling on/off quantize and tempo sync)
The problem is that the second track intermittently (maybe 30% of the time) adds a gap of space at the beginning of the synced track, resulting in the subsequent tracks not synced property.
The engineers at Roland wrote me the following message on 4/12/22 and have not issued a firmware update to fix-
"Thanks for reaching out and contacting Roland BOSS USA Operational Product Support about the RC-500 and RC-600. We've documented the issue and were finally able to recreate a similar issue on our RC-600, just with a default Memory Location. Seemed to occur on TRACK 2 as well however not an overdub but just a TRACK 2 first loop, some small gap of sound is filled with white noise between the tail and head of the loop stem.Very strange and odd indeed."
Hey 👋
Oh that is rare. I’ve not come across that myself. Wonder if it down to the unit itself or the firmware?!
Have they offered to swap the RC-600 for another one to rule out the problem with a faulty board?
Although as I type that, they have said they have been able to replicate it themselves.. so hopefully they can just address that in firmware..
But it has done a bit quiet on the firmware front at the mo.
Fingers crossed they solve it. Very frustrating thou.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you so much for your reply! I've tried another 600 to rule out hardware. I've corroborated this with other working musicians and everyone has sent theirs back and moved on. The 600 is a fail as far as professional, live performance goes if you're using the gear like this- Multi, Auto measure, no saved tracks/tempos. I use mine strictly improvisationally. I clear the tracks after each song and start fresh. The first track dictates the loop length for the other tracks. What's happening 30% of the time is the second track adds space on the front end of the loop as it comes back around. I've used several loop pedals for the past 20 years including the RC 50, 300, Boomerang, and Ditto with no issues. This is definitely a software bug and a shame they haven't resolved it.
Is certainly a weird thing.
I do the same as you but I have mine set to measure.. never had that issue except when it’s human error.
Madness!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi John, can you please share your settings? I'd like to A/B to see if I can determine the culprit. I know for sure it's not quantize or tempo sync.
Certainly. I’m working on a different project right now so give me a little bit of time and I’ll get you the information. 👍🏻
Anyone know how the various loop sync options compare to the RC-500's sync possibilities?
A lot more now with the latest version. I like it by measure but you can have different loop syncs for different scenarios.
Thank you very much for your work. I've seen that you have some videos on the channel about Headrush looperboard. It would be great to have a comparison video between the rc-600 and the pedalboard. I've searched on TH-cam and so far I haven't found a professional who has had both machines in his hands and can make a serious comparison. For me it is difficult to choose between these two options and I would like to improve my rig. Thanks JP!
This video is highly requested.
And it is coming… just need to find time to make it. 👍🏻
This is really usefull, thank you for pointing out!
You explained it best!
Thanks 🙏
Here is the playlist to all the RC-600 videos I have made so far - th-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa9-oX7LbZ4CRRUHMiWoU0s.html
I also have a FULL RC-600 course with over 55 unique deep dive videos in, which you can now pay for monthly! Put SUBSCRIBER in the checkout for a discount - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/boss-rc-600-course-page
And if you want 121 consultation, I do this as well:
www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
Anyone experiencing an issue when switching to a new track while recording? If my track is already recorded and playing, it switches fine, but if I'm recording and switch to a new track, it cues the new track, plays the first bar of the track I'm switching from, and then switches. This results is the current track playing over the new part for a bar, and a new track is missing the first bar of the new part.
I haven't done a factory reset yet but I'm just wondering if anyone else is getting this bug? It's pretty annoying. Thanks!
Is it still doing it since the new update? Did you do the factory system reset too?
@@ashevillevideoproduction it didn't do this before the update, which is why I'm asking if anyone else is getting this behaviour. After a factory reset it still happens so I guess it's a bug. It's not too much of a problem to be honest, with this update I can use the looper as I originally intended which is to load each track with pre recorded phrases. It's just a slight pain for when I'm jamming.
That is exactly the problem I'm having right now. I recorded a track in serial mode (verse), let it play, then tried to record another track in serial mode (chorus). The new track does not start recording right away. The undesirable result is I am playing the chorus live while the verse track is still playing, till the verse track finishes.Then I'm recording the remainder of the chorus. Not helpful. I'm seriously considering going back to the VL3X. Only three tracks, but do I really need six?
@@jimpellinger This is fixed with the new update v1.2. It is the "Expanded Loop Sync Options" where we want to make sure loop sync is set to "Immediate". Also when we do the update, it 's useful to do a factory reset after the update to make sure everything is working properly.
@@kevinharpermusic have you looked into the new "Expanded Loop Sync Options" where you can set the loop sync to "Immediate"? That might be the issue you're running into. It also sounds like you might be possibly running into something else. But hopefully it is the loop sync.
My loops have a gap in between them which makes them a bar out of time. How to fix it please! Yours seems to be fine in this video. Or do you have a video that explains how to fix this?
You need to look at the loop measure and also when you are pressing the pedal to close the loop out. I tend to press it just before the start of beat if you are using it with the rhythm.
Download the parameter guide and have a look at page 3 and look at your Loop Sync options.
Mine is set to ‘measure’.
Press. LOOP>Track 1-6>LOOP SYNC>MEASURE.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK it is still doing it. It goes silent for 1 second upon replaying the loop
My rc-6oo has started going out of sync while recording a loop. Once I'm done recording the loop, everything is back in time, but while I'm recording a loop, it starts to get really wonky and out of time. It's a brand new problem and I have no idea what's going on.
Oh wow!
I have never heard of that whilst it’s recording?! And you are on V1.21?
So. is it all better now.? I have been holding off untill all the bugs were worked out.
For me, zero bugs on v1.21 but some others have reported issues but this version is the most stable for me. No issues.
I saved all my loops, wiped the unit, updated to v1.21 and then put my loops and settings back on.
Like a new machine! 👍🏼
I'm considering getting the rc600. I have an rc300 and 500 for smaller foot print.
What I'm hoping for are 2 features/functions. Do you know if the rc600 can do these:
1. Can you double the length of a single loop - you can on the quad cortex looper
Say you loop 1 measure (a beat) but then want to dub an 8 measure loop over it (an 8 bar chord progression). You press a x2 button twice and you get 8 bars of beat and then you can dub 8 bars of chords on top. Can something like that be done on the rc600? Or is there an option that if the dub exceeds the original loop length it automatically increases the loop length?
2. Can you bounce a loop to another in the following fashion. I create a beat on loop 1. I then do a bassline on loop 2. When I'm happy with the bassline I press a button and it gets bounced to loop 1 automatically merged. Can that be done?
I saw someone post a video showing you can bounce by recording/dubbing 1 loop to another by having the 1 loop be the source input for another and this way you then have to play the source through while recording or dubbing to the other loop for the bounce to work. I'm trying to see if there is a way without having to wait for it to play through a second time, some automatic merge function?
I basically want to use loop 1 to create a 1-2 measure rhythmic/bass layer. Then in loop 2 make an 8 bar harmony and either bounce that to loop1 modifying loop1s length to 8 bars automatically via the bounce, or to have an option to increase the length of loop 1 like in the QC looper and then bounce loop2 down to loop 1 either via dub recording or by an automated switch.
Is any of that possible on the rc600?
Why I want to work like that is make sure that each layer is good before before bouncing to another loop. Then build up song sections in each loop with multiple dubs. I don't want to just dub because after the first, the undo undoes all but the first and I want to dub with different length loops that follow the first dub as a measure working in indices of 2 of that length. I'm not sure if that makes sense or not.
Hey Johnny 👋
So it’s kind of done in a different way.
Firstly you can’t double the length of the loop as it stands at the moment. This is a feature I used in the Headrush Looperboard. However…
There are 6 loops to play with and there certainly is Bounce. You can do a bounce that is instant so when you press bounce, it just shoots over to where you have set.
There is also a feature that most people don’t talk about (and I am ONLY just starting to play with and understand) which is ‘Mark Back’.
Mark back you set a point, record what you want, including multiple overdubs, hit mark back and it reverts to that point.
This is really useful and can generate breakdowns and you can set when it can undo.
Plus the other way you can look at it, is to utilise the 6 loops on all one mode, meaning you have more control using all 6 loops than recording and bouncing, you could stop/start each one, dub all 6, undo all 6. It’s way better for control.
The other nice thing is you can combine single mode and multi mode. I do this a lot to have multi mode rhythm(beatboxing) and then still have a verse and a chorus etc..
have a look at this and hope this helps you. 👍🏼
th-cam.com/video/qhKXUEBp6rA/w-d-xo.html
Hi JP. Have you had any further issues with the update version 1.21? I am having a few issues with the pedal crashing during some rehearsal performances on 1.21
For example I have an FC300 midi pedal board running into the RC600 as a set of extension switches. I have had issues where tap tempo is causing midi overload (?????)
This is just one of a few issues I have with the 1.21 firmware. Another is the pedals not reacting correctly while I am tracking across multiple loops (i.e. start track 3, then work on track 2.)
I am in the process of reporting these issues to Roland themselves, but I thought I would ask here if it is a user error (quite likely) or unit error? For reference I am using only the FC300 + rc600. Nothing else is on the midi connection.
Hey 👋
So I’ve heard a few people having issues and those crashes always seem to be midi induced. Quick question.. do you have both the midi in and out connected from the FC300 to the RC600 and back or just the midi out to midi in? Wondering 🤔
Have you attempted a full ‘back up and reset to factory’ job? I know it’s a pain in the arse.. but factory resetting and then getting a new version of 1.21 might help. 🤷♂️
@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for the quick reply, dude! Appreciate it a lot.
To your first question - nope. Just midi being sent from the FC300 to the RC600. One way connection. The FC300 doesn't really receive midi from the rc600, so I don't connect it. I didn't think it pinged a round-trip. I am using the FC300 because functionaly it was better than a bunch of FS5/6/7's.
To your second. Yes, I have done a factory reset twice. I messed up my CC assignments, so it was quicker to reset to factory settings than rejig things. I didn't try to reinstall the firmware because it didn't get downgraded (or infact upgraded by me). The device came prepared with system 1.21. I have lodged a ticket with Roland support because their Swansea office no longer takes phone calls, like the good old days.
Cheers, Jake.
This is a really great video, thanks !!!
Welcome 🙏
Thanks for this very helpful video. The thing that I feel is the least intuitive aspect of the three different sync options is that whereas "Immediate" and "Measure" options will start the loop from the beginning (in "Immediate" mode, immediately, and in "Measure" mode at the start of the next measure) , the "Loop length" option however unmutes the track IMMEDIATELY but continues playing from the current position. If I have understood this correctly it is quite weird and also quite clever - but rather unintuitive and a bit of a head stretch! I think I had expected "Loop length" to ALSO start playing from the start of the loop. Can you confirm that I have got this right? Cheers.
Hey Alec 👋
Yea you have this right and a bit of a head scratch indeed.
Loop length is how the board was originally shipped with only that option on the first firmware. Confused a lot of us (me included) and wasn’t what people wanted.
I certainly stick with measure as I can, with practice, control the loops as I see fit and all these options don’t interrupt start/stop pedals which I use sometimes as the end of a bar to ‘reset’ and start all loops quickly.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Great - thanks so much for confirming. I discovered TouchOSC for iPad this weekend and it's going to radically change the way I use my RC-600. Keep up the good work!!!
Hi, nice video! There's a thing I can't get my head around (while loop sync is on), maybe you can help me? Say i record a loop on track 1 of 4 measures long, and on track 2 I start recording an overdub on the second measure of the first loop and stop recording on the third measure, sometimes the loop on the second track ends up being 4 measures long as well (the rc-600 fills the empty spaces so to speak) so everything stays in place while looping the 4 bars, but sometimes (on another take) the loop on track 2 ends up the length of the actual recording (1 measure) and will repeat it self on every measure in stead of every 4...it seems random behavior, but maybe this has to do with the length of my recording or timing?
Hey. So yeah it’s totally down to timings. Make sure Quantise measure is on.
The simple and low key way around this is to create a blank 4 bar loop on track 2. Then when you come to overdub, it’s where it should be.
Alternatively, if you have dictated 4 bars for loop 1 and 2 before hand. It shouldn’t really move.
Thnx JP, for your quick response. I tried and tried, but the solution was in another setting and turned out to be very simple: go to the measure option in the (current) track settings (in my example tr. 2, default (before recording anything) it's on 'free', but instead put it on 'auto' (one down, so counterclockwise), now it will auto adjust to the amount of measures of the previous recorded track where loop sync is on. ;)
How do I get a short loop in time with the drums? I want the first drum beat to always be at the beginning of the loop. At present the drum is constant. Perfectly even. I on the other hand am human so the loop is not 100% 4 beats. Every time the loop goes around it's a liittle bit off.
The longer I let it run the further off it becomes. It's driving me nuts!
I know the drum can be recorded but then you can't take it out.
Go to LOOP>REC>QUANTIZE> switch this from OFF to MEASURE. Done! 👍🏻
Great and informative video, JP 👏
Thank you mark. 👍🏻
Is there a guitar tuner? I'm folling crazy for find it! thank you for help.... 🙂
There isn’t, no.
Hi John, how can I get 3 diferents loops in single mode with deferents numbers of measures each one ( 4, 10, 8 ) with rhythm on, and achieve that each loop starts in the beginning ?
Checkout the latest firmware v1.21 and see the fix for this.
Hey JP, i have an issue with recording, i have it set up on loop sync: loop length, and basically when i record a loop, the first one is always fine, but let’s say i want to rec on track 3 the guitar, then want to rec the beat on track 1, and track 4 is the voice, so i want to start recording the voice half way through the loop length, so i don’t get any unwanted noise getting picked up, and regarding when i hit the switch, sometimes everything is fine it records straight away, but sometimes the red led blinks until the end of the loop (for exemple) and start recording then.
Which means the voice is not at the right place of the phrase playing then… so it messes up the song 😅
Thanks
On the rc300 or the headrush it is fine, whenever you hit the switch it records based on the first loop recorded! Not the case on the 600…
Is it something that can be fixed?
For exemple when i set the loop sync to immediate it’s fine while it plays but of course when i do an all stop all start, every loop are playing at different times it should 😅
Thank you for your videos and for your replies 😊
Go into the play and Rec settings and change it to ‘measure’ instead. This means the looper will start recording at the nearest measure and is more like the 300/Headrush.
This was a big ask from the community and Boss responded. 👍🏻
When i start a track, the track syncs to rhythm. But when i switch to next track, the second track is out of sync with rythm. All my tracks have sync switch on. Whether i am on immediate or measure sync mode, the track does sync to rhythm after switching to second track. Any insights?
Hey JP… apologies if this has been covered. I use a combination of single and multi modes to do songs with verse/chorus structures. I want to be able to have a single track playing as well as a corresponding multi track. Using assigns, I figured out how to stop a multi track by starting a single single, but can’t figure out how to start one.
Definitely watch this video - it will really help. th-cam.com/video/CyJ3VgOQAeA/w-d-xo.html
Great vid Jp, Will you be updating the course
Yes. Already have the lesson in play with a ‘coming soon’ on there.. 👍🏼
Still no fix for the auto loop length problem?
Have you tried v1.21 yet?
Hi JohnPaul - I've been trying to wrap my head around Loop Sync and I have a couple questions.
1) Isn't "Loop Length" the same exact behavior as "Measure" when (as in your example here) the first recorded track is 1 measure?
2) Another thing I haven't been able to figure out is when I have the Loop Sync on and a 1-measure track one playing then I go to track two to add, say a bass line. If I press record mid-measure, I sometimes get the flashing red light countdown for the measure start to come around again, but sometimes it goes straight to record. I haven't been able to figure out what accounts for the difference in behavior. Is this just an issue of how late in the measure you press record? Like if it's on "ONE AND" it's still close enough that it starts straight away but if it's on beat THREE it knows to wait?
Hey JP, looks like with this new update when I set a pedal on PLAY/STOP it recs as well if there's nothing on the track... is that the same for you?
Yea. If it’s a blank track, Rec will happen. 👍🏻
It’s the same for me. The only practical difference between rec/play is that there is no overdub on the play button.
Correct. Which can come in handy if you know you don’t want to overdub. Then you can have all 6 tracks on play/stop and then just one button to stop the track instead of double tap! 👍🏻
How to set 3 different instruments on separate outputs? How to separate output no matter on which track? I'm getting crazy after 30 hours of looking for this option... :( HELP! In my Boss VE 8 it was so simple to separate guitar and vocal outputs. I jut don't know what to do now.
Hey 👋
So it is way more complicated but you get way more control.
So firstly you need to look at your inputs. MENU>Inputs. If you are using the mic and 2 instruments in stereo, you will be fine. If you are using more than 2 instruments that require jack input then you have to decide if they are mono or stereo and in the MENU>INPUT setting decide how you want them (mono/stereo).
Then back out and head to MENU>OUTPUT.
You have the Outputs of the instruments and the outputs of the loops (tracks).
You can utilise main, sub 1, Sub 2 and headphone out, giving you 8 outputs (headphone being stereo)
Then you have routing.
MENU>ROUTING - this is the loops. Where you want them to go.
MENU>ROUTING>INPUT/RHYTHM - this is where you want the inputs to go.
And you can choose for every input and every loop including the rhythm.
It’s set that all come out of all by default.
But I would advise a piece of paper and a pen and draw out HOW you want it to go.. like a mixer. Then you won’t get too lost.
If you want a video call from me to help you, I do consultations which you can find here - www.johnpaulmusic.co.uk/coaching-options
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you sooooo much!
Thanks JP!! I had gone back to my HeadRush looperboard for live gigs because I was so frustrated w/ the sync issues on the 600!! My back was killing me from bending over to try new settings, then my brain would turn to mush from trying to remember what I had programmed and what I hadn’t!
I was seriously thinking g about selling the 600. But it sounds so good live. Especially as a working singer-songwriter.
The only 2 questions I have are, do you need to tap out the BPM for each song in a live situation?
And will this new update solve the problems while using the 600’s rhythms? I love the cajon rhythm as it’s the closest to playing the rhythm on the guitar.
Thanks in advance for you time and advise!
JB
Hey Jonathan.
So I feel your pain (and the back pain).
So to answer your questions, you never HAVE to tap out the bpm if you are recording your first loop, it should pick it up.
If you need the rhythm first, then you could save that as a different memory.
And the rhythms issue - are you talking about the intro and fill problems on the old firmware?
No issues with v1.2 they have certainly done a load of bug fixes.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hey JP.
Thanks for the reply.
I’m looking forward to the new update, but won’t be able to install it until I get off the road.
I am glad to hear that you don’t need top tap out the BPMs. I guess the old firmware had me chasing my tail. Seemed that I could record two loops and they would start in time, but after 3/4 measures you could hear begin to get out of sync.
Just to be clear. The new firmware update solves the sync problem when using the 600’s rhythm, correct?
Thanks again for your help and dedication to the looping world.
JB
Hi John these videos are all a big help. I have a question for you. Is there a way I can make the click just come through my headphones? I can seem to find a way to do it.
Can the following be done? I think not but hope I’m wrong.
2 tracks that play complimentary parts that together comprise Part A of a song that are then simultaneously turned off when Track 3 is triggered. Basically, I want a group of tracks (in multi mode vis-a-vis each other) that together relate to another group in single mode.
The idea is to get the most out of stereo staging and still be able to do the verse-chorus thing.
Yea you can.
So a clean way to do it is loop 1 is in multi mode and loops 2&3 are in single mode.
So you can start recording loops 1&2 and they will play together, then when you press loop 3, loop 2 will auto switch off.
Then to make loop one switch off, I would use assigns.
Use one assign on loop 3 to tell it to turn off loop 1, and then, another assign on loop 1 or 2 to turn off loops 3 when you press it.
Up to you.
Hope that makes sense?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK clever!! Makes total sense! Basically, I’d have to have a specific patch/memory dedicates to that, right? I’ve been avoiding making patches. But I think the possibilities this opens up could make diving into it worth it.
Does the unit have to be updated if you ‘re happy with how it works as is?
No. You don’t have to.
It’s your choice.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you for that. I want to pick one up but I want it to be right. Presently I am using the old RC1 with my SR18 drum machine. I like the ease of the drums on a stand but I want to expand on the loops and choices. I appreciate you replying back and doing such a great job teaching myself and others.
Hi mate. I'm having a major phasing type issue with my guitar. I run a tap tempo in to my rc600. It comes out and goes to a kaoss pad. I put my drums in the kaoss then tap in to the looper. It's all in sync then I sent my drums from kaoss to looper.
The issue is when I tap a tempo and play it in to the kaoss it then somehow gives my guitar a phasing type issue. It's really frustrating.
I've turned of all effects and stuff but still nothing. It's doing it without anything actually been sent it to the loop. The guitar is fine pre tapping the tempo and recording it in to kaoss pad.
Any help would be awesome 👌
My thoughts are maybe something to do with the input settings because it only happens as soon as the loop receives a signal from the kaoss/drums?
Sounds like the routing of the RC-600. Go into menu>input and check the separate inputs and then go to outputs and look at the routing of the loops (tracks) as well as the inputs. If the guitar is going through the looper and into the Kai’s pad and then back into the looper then it might be capturing it twice.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK yeh my guitar isn't going in to the kaoss pad. My guitar is going in to a Helix then out to instrument 1 on the left. The drums go in in to kaoss then out the instrument 2 on the left. I can't figure it out. It wasn't doing it before I updated it. I thought I had it today as it was doing OK then at gig volume it freaked out again. I'll get it but still..... I might go back and go to older download and see if that does it. Very odd
@@JohnPaulMusicUK think the inputs might be getting it to hot and it's digi clipping? I'm gonna try pull volume inputs back and also run drum tracks on sub out and give it's own line on mixer
And i’m not really sure if my reports to boss will be red 😅
But would it be possible in the future you reckon to have the opportunity to rec several tracks at the same time? Let’s say you click onto tck 1, then 4 (1being only guitar and tck 4 only voice) while you’ve already set a loop before that.
Something you could do with headrush 😊
Yes this is a good request.
Head over to the RC-600 Facebook groups and put it there. Apparently Boss is active on those groups. 👍🏻
Hi there, I was wondering if this does also solve the problem with different loop lengths in single mode?
V1.21 does.
Hello sir,
Is this function available in 505 mk2 as well?
Many thanks.
Yes. Updates are available for both. 👍🏻
Hi John,
I don't agree with you that Boss solved the Sync problem.
The way you perform the tests does not show the problems that are still there in version 1.2.
Set the device to:
Single-Mode
Sync-ON
Type-"Measure"
Play-Loop End
Stop MODE: "Loop"
Try to record and switch between two (or more) Tracks, and you will see that when the second Track is waiting to go into recording, the first Track is playing (why does it go into Play Mode??)
In addition to all the synchronization options at the end of a recording (let's say of 2 channels) you want to go back and be in Play mode on the first Track, it will be immediately set to playback and not wait for the end of the recording of the last channel.
In short, there is still a lot of work for Boss engineers.
Have you tried v1.21 yet? Did this solve the issue?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK
Yep,
Thanks
It solves that issue.
Now they have to solve the Rythm change Var during recording (when set to Rythm change on end of the loop), it works when Rythm change on Measure!
Does Tempo Sync need to also be turned on, or will tracks with Loop Sync alone adhere to the same tempo? I guess I just don’t quite understand the point of Tempo Sync.
They are different things.
Tempo sync with sync to the tempo. Loop sync is the loops syncing to each other and how they react.
1) Won't doing a Factory Reset AFTER updating to Ver. 1.20 just undo the update and restore the RC-600 back to its original configuration? ... and 2) Before I updated to Ver. 1.20 my RC-600 had frozen up 3 different times. Giving me the Error Codes: System Error (A) 268, System Error LC 748 & System Error LC 1258. Now AFTER the update to Ver. 1.20 it has frozen up more than a dozen times and it gives No Error codes. Trying to turn the unit off via the On/Off switch doesn't work since the whole thing is frozen. The only way out is to shut it off by unplugging it then rebooting. I can't see how I could ever use this thing LIVE knowing it could freeze up at any time. Any suggestions... Anybody?
Firstly doing a firmware update and then resetting to factory will erase everything on the RC-600 but it will reboot as the latest firmware without anything else.
Also 1.21 is now out and regarding your crashes, if you get up to 1.21 and then factory reset, a lot of people have had there problems resolved. Not everyone but a lot on the FB groups are saying it’s a success. 👍🏻
Welp, I updated to Ver. 1.21, did the Factory Reset, & restored my loops from Back-Up. Then less than 1 hour into a practice session The RC froze up again. And gave me No Error Codes to submit. Is my RC-600 defective???
@@JohnPaulMusicUKDay 2, has Frozen Up 3 times within the 1st hour of practice during Playback. Really starting to consider that my particular unit is Defective. I don't see that anyone else has posted about having the same or a similar problem with their RC-600's. And still giving me No Error Codes as it had done before I did the last 2 updates.
maybe update the paid course to show this video too.... would be very helpful to learn current stuff.
It is along with 1.3 and 1.4 👍
This is super helpful
Glad it helped 👍🏻
Great tutorial!
Many thanks 🙏
Yes!
🙌
JP, Quickly, How do you set your main screen on Setting 3, to MEMORY / MIC LEVEL 1 / Rhythm Level 1 / MFX Reverb like you did? I know it will probably be reviewed on my course, but just wondered. Thanks!
For the 3rd screen just use the right arrows.
For the control knobs, change them by going to Menu>setup and go across to the last page and you can alter them there. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Awesome, 🤙🏼🤛
Welcome 🙏
Game changer!
Certainly is!!