im seeing why you dont necessarily need a reamp box. you have boss pedals which has a buffer in it. the buffer changes the signal to a guitar friendly signal. especially in bypass mode.
I remember doing this in Logic 3x, what a hassle no plugin just routing and you'd get horrible feedback if not careful. This is great, S1 is my favorite.
A quick word on the need for a reamp box - you're mostly right: - Level: Turning down the level of the output will indeed do the trick - Impedance: If you're running any buffers or buffered pedals the output impedance also should not be a problem. - Ground loops: If you're using an isolated power supply (or batteries for that matter) to power your pedals there should not be any possibility for ground loops. - Balanced to unbalanced here's the problem: By plugging an unbalanced instrument cable (TS plug) into the balanced output (TRS) you're shorting the ring to ground. Depending on the interface/converter's output circuitry this MIGHT damage its output stage - at least some manufacturers specifically state that you should avoid doing this. To solve this you could simply wire up a "TRS-TS converter cable" where the ring is left floating, i.e. not connected to anything.
Very Informative, bless! For Reaper users managing guitar effects/outboard gear, the "ReaInsert" plugin is the equvialvent to Pipeline XT used in this video.
I’m really excited to try this. I’m waiting for my new interface to arrive, but the second it gets here I’m giving that a try and see what my pedal board sounds like on everything! Lol. I’m also extremely excited to try out the Presonus Studio 192. That interface on paper is absolutely PERFECT for what I’ve been wanting and looking for in an interface. I’m glad I found one. They are getting pretty scarce to find a brand new one right now. If I had a Thunderbolt connection than I would have heavily considered the Quantum though.
Pipeline is one of my favorite features in Studio One. I use it all the time with outboard rack effects, compressors and EQ, but I hadn't thought about using pedals.
I'm so surprised when I hear other DAWs don't have a similar feature. I hear people complain about having to fix phase, and then I realise they're trying to do it manually!
Awesome timing on this. I was just looking at my Boss ME-80 with its MANY effects and wondering if I could use it as a plugin. I have Studio One 5 Pro and a Studio Live 32S console so plenty of I/O. Awesome video as always!! P.S. LOVE YOUR MUSIC!!
I never realized this is possible!! So in theory I can use a virtual amp (for example Ampire) in my channel and connect my own pedalboard to this virtual amp?
in the case of the stereo drum track with a mono pedalboard, could you just route each side of the stereo track to a bus with Pipeline XT on it? Still trying to figure out Studio One a bit for some workflows.
Good video! I use almost the same rig, Studio One 5 Pro, Quantum 2626, and route out through outboard and pedals. I wish you would have shown the I/o settings for the send/return in Pipeline, cause I have never been able to make it work. I run into some sort of audio loop, and I can never get the I/o right. With the 2626 I can route the gear without the Pipeline plugin, though, so I do that. But I wish I could get the I/o routing right with Pipeline with the 2626.
That’s so fun joe! I have a line 6 helix and will have to try this. Been wanting to do some real time tape echo style effects on some tracks without messing around with the studio one tape plugin.
@@presonus you absolutely could. As an interface it’s pretty awesome if you’re just doing guitar. I recently picked up the new Focusrite 18i8 though to experiment with having more things plugged in at once. (Microphones, keyboards etc). Still debating on this setup. Lol
Also, the good thing with using the helix is that you can change the input source to line level. I use my hx stomp with pipeline all the time. Great for random delay effects and using the controls to automate fx and commit.
Hi Joe. Silly question. I'm using a Studio 1810c. I set up Pipeline Stereo to a hardware compressor and I can't get it to work. I'm showing a stereo signal through the entire path in S1, my hardware VU's, and the I/O in Pipeline. I'm only able to use headphones at the moment. Is it possible to monitor a Pipeline connect via headphones or do I have to use my studio monitors in the Main Outs on the 1810c? I'm kind of at a loss at this point. Thank you.
Says who?... Just use the adats outs on your soundcard. Signals can be send out to like the Behringer ada8000 from the DAW and back in to another ada8000 for 4 stereo or 8 mono inputs. I've done this before and it works great. Trust me.
Hi, thanks for the video. I’m setting it up as the video but I’m doing something wrong (obviously). I’m getting a nasty feedback loop which is hitting at max level. What I want to do is use my 3 pedals as a mastering chain in Studio One. I’m using a Reamp box. Any suggestions?
Idk if this is an issue or not but it seems like when I have pipeline mono on a track and turn the mix up on my pedal I can still hear the dry signal it just sounds more to the left, it doesn’t print like that but it would be nice to hear my entire wet signal without any of the dry peaking through, is there any way around this?
Hey Joe and Presonus, can u guys make a video on syncing guitar pedals via midi with Studio One? For instance i have a TC Electronic Flashback 2 X4 and a Boss MD-500 that i want to sync their tempo to Studio One. I understand i need to connect my interfaces midi out to my first pedal's midi in, then connect that pedals midi thru to the next pedal's midi in, but the Studio One midi preferences/settings is where i get lost.
Can we please be able to right click to copy and paste sounds in Impact? Really you want us to hold control and drag to another pad in this day and age??? It's a P.I.T.A trying to organize sounds moving them from bank to bank which you can't do with the hold control method when moving sounds from bank to bank. You literally have to dig for sounds on in folders you used on another bank just to re-arrange them on different banks.
Hey Joe, can i route mono out of pipeline, but stereo back into it if i select the stereo version of pipeline, or does it have to be stereo out and stereo in, or mono out and mono back in?
Hey Joe, This is fantastic and I'm loving the capabilities of this as a plugin! However Im having trouble printing it. I want to be able to control delay repeats in real time but when I record this plugin back onto another track I can't line up the latency right. Is there another way to do this? How do you print these effects?
You should do a video on the impulse response maker plugin. I was trying to create and impulse response with a lexicon reverb unit hooked up to Presonus Studio 26 interface. I had the outputs 3 and 4 hooked to the inputs of the reverb and the outputs of the reverb hooked up to the inputs 1 and 2. No matter what I did I was getting a noise loop doing this. When I turned up the input on the reverb unit it started to feedback on itself somehow even though no signal was being fed out from studio one. It's extremely annoying. Even not having the monitor button for the inputs on I could hear a faint signal in my headphones also. This is leading me to think the interface itself might be the issue. I'm not a noob, and have used the IR maker for guitar cab impulses with my Studiolive 1642, but that's not in my home space.
Hey Joe, sorry that this is off topic (that is as cool thing I will have to try at some point as soon as I can upgrade my interface though!) but I just uploaded a mix for the Sphere Demixify Sessions. I accidentally sent two of the same mix only because I was about halfway through the upload process before I saw the Zip Files Only bit. (I feel like an idiot because I work retail and usually call others out for not fully noticing details despite it being in all caps. ) I hope this doesn't disqualify me from consideration, as I tried desperately to stop the upload of the .wav file.So if there's any confusion as to why you got two submissions from me, that's why. Thanks for this tip in this video as well, like I said I'll have to give that a go once I can get a better interface than my Studio 24c.
Brett, it looks like you still got it wrong. 😂 I'm asking for your Studio One Session, not a WAV file. Go back and watch the video where I show you step by step how to make your submission. - Joe Gilder
@@presonus Found it, and hopefully I did it right this time. It didn't take long at all to upload. I am using a PC so hopefully it got all the stuff you need.
Hey Brett. Don't want to be "that guy," but you still didn't follow the directions. Watch the video I link to on the submission page. It walks you through the process.
Hey Joe. Pipeline works with either stereo or mono tracks. But if I'm reamping a guitar, I might have three or four mics on the cab. What's the preferred way to bring the mic tracks back into the DAW and maintain phase relationships between them and the original DI?
@@presonus cheers Joe. So, set the output of the DI track as the soundcard output connected to the amp; then arm three mono tracks to record the mics? Yeah, that's much simpler, I think I was overthinking it. Cheers!
So how do you actually record it to track? Do you need record dry add effects later and record that to a new track? I never used pipeline. Never looked at it before. Please expand on this. Thank you.
Bounce the dry track with the effects on. It will be in real time obviously. You could always duplicate the dry track so if you change your mind further down the line. Or you could record it with the effects on, but you might have some latency issues there if pipeline is active.
Pipeline is meant to be used as a realtime-processor. So if you want to print it, you'll need to record to another track or do a bounce down. Lots of ways to do it. Explore and see which one you like. - Joe Gilder
I thought this feature has been almost every DAW like forever. I know this is PreSonus focused video, but I have done this with Reaper as long as I remember. I would like to turn my pedalboard and other hardware stuff intro plugin, but this is not it. This is just reamping.
Mikey R I had bypassed everything so the signal should’ve been just happen to ping without any interruption. I’m using Apollo stuff which should be super low latency. I think I just managed to get this to work for my pedals though. Using auto just would not work though. For whatever reason the auto setting would still have like an sixteenth note delay between the output to return. I had to manually find the sample range that got me closest and it was like 10015 samples I believe
@@theAshesofDecember1 I'm sorry to hear that! When I tried out Pipeline on my hardware channel strip, it pinged flawlessly, and that was even with a gross level problem - I think I was mixing and matching pro and consumer line levels.
Mikey R which interface are you using?? I keep wondering if there’s some reason UAD may not communicate as well. Like, since it wants to go through their console app first maybe?
U might be able to if u don’t use your headphones or your main monitor outputs. Try using your main output in pipeline as the send, routing the headphone output or your main output on the back of the audio box to your pedal board and then back into either input on ur audio box and select that input as the return in pipeline. It might not work the same as far as quality of the signal and u would have to be careful how u set ur volume on the audiobox itself to find the right level, but I think that could work, might not though. I cant think of any other way u could send out of Studio One and back in with an audio box.
Sorry Joe, I'm a visual person haha thank you for your comment I'll try and figure it out and eventually I'll tag you (via Presonus) thank you for the consistent information.
Could you please speak a lot more quicker ... then I possibly could understand your American Knödeling much better ... ;-) . Kidding - please explain a little bit slower, I understand nothing. Sorry & thanks
Great job Joe! Everything amazing and the drawing is awesome!
im seeing why you dont necessarily need a reamp box. you have boss pedals which has a buffer in it. the buffer changes the signal to a guitar friendly signal. especially in bypass mode.
Been working with S1 for a while. Loved it and keep lovin it a bit more every day
I remember doing this in Logic 3x, what a hassle no plugin just routing and you'd get horrible feedback if not careful. This is great, S1 is my favorite.
A quick word on the need for a reamp box - you're mostly right:
- Level: Turning down the level of the output will indeed do the trick
- Impedance: If you're running any buffers or buffered pedals the output impedance also should not be a problem.
- Ground loops: If you're using an isolated power supply (or batteries for that matter) to power your pedals there should not be any possibility for ground loops.
- Balanced to unbalanced here's the problem: By plugging an unbalanced instrument cable (TS plug) into the balanced output (TRS) you're shorting the ring to ground. Depending on the interface/converter's output circuitry this MIGHT damage its output stage - at least some manufacturers specifically state that you should avoid doing this. To solve this you could simply wire up a "TRS-TS converter cable" where the ring is left floating, i.e. not connected to anything.
Very Informative, bless! For Reaper users managing guitar effects/outboard gear, the "ReaInsert" plugin is the equvialvent to Pipeline XT used in this video.
Super Video Joe! Makes me want to set up a new Patch Panel with several of my analog effect units.
I’m really excited to try this. I’m waiting for my new interface to arrive, but the second it gets here I’m giving that a try and see what my pedal board sounds like on everything! Lol. I’m also extremely excited to try out the Presonus Studio 192. That interface on paper is absolutely PERFECT for what I’ve been wanting and looking for in an interface. I’m glad I found one. They are getting pretty scarce to find a brand new one right now. If I had a Thunderbolt connection than I would have heavily considered the Quantum though.
I sooo feel a heavy live TechnoParty coming on....
and some heavy remixing too whhooohoo.so much thanks for
this one:!!!
Pipeline is one of my favorite features in Studio One. I use it all the time with outboard rack effects, compressors and EQ, but I hadn't thought about using pedals.
I'm so surprised when I hear other DAWs don't have a similar feature. I hear people complain about having to fix phase, and then I realise they're trying to do it manually!
thank you very much, thats interesting.
One question: Did you do it all with mono unbalanced cables?
Thanks Joe. That how we Hiphop producer deal with SP404x for DSP effects.
Use it with dbx 166xs all the time!!! Another great toll from Presonus.
Thanks Joe!
Awesome timing on this. I was just looking at my Boss ME-80 with its MANY effects and wondering if I could use it as a plugin. I have Studio One 5 Pro and a Studio Live 32S console so plenty of I/O. Awesome video as always!! P.S. LOVE YOUR MUSIC!!
I cant believe how messy pedal board is, but it looks really cool for the picture in pipeline.
Thanks for this great tutorial. An off topic question: what app do you use to do the drawing at the beginning? That’s a great way to visualize!
Joe, you have a beautiful voice color, you should have made a much bigger success.
7:08 love this one!!:D
I never realized this is possible!! So in theory I can use a virtual amp (for example Ampire) in my channel and connect my own pedalboard to this virtual amp?
in the case of the stereo drum track with a mono pedalboard, could you just route each side of the stereo track to a bus with Pipeline XT on it? Still trying to figure out Studio One a bit for some workflows.
Good video! I use almost the same rig, Studio One 5 Pro, Quantum 2626, and route out through outboard and pedals. I wish you would have shown the I/o settings for the send/return in Pipeline, cause I have never been able to make it work. I run into some sort of audio loop, and I can never get the I/o right. With the 2626 I can route the gear without the Pipeline plugin, though, so I do that. But I wish I could get the I/o routing right with Pipeline with the 2626.
This is certainly convenient. Awesome.
That’s so fun joe! I have a line 6 helix and will have to try this. Been wanting to do some real time tape echo style effects on some tracks without messing around with the studio one tape plugin.
Oh yeah, I now you're a Helix guy. I would guess you can do this all digitally via USB connection straight to the Helix? - Joe Gilder
@@presonus you absolutely could. As an interface it’s pretty awesome if you’re just doing guitar. I recently picked up the new Focusrite 18i8 though to experiment with having more things plugged in at once. (Microphones, keyboards etc). Still debating on this setup. Lol
Also, the good thing with using the helix is that you can change the input source to line level. I use my hx stomp with pipeline all the time. Great for random delay effects and using the controls to automate fx and commit.
I wish there was something like this for external instruments too. Kinda sucks having no latency compensation when using hardware synths.
Hey joe, thanks for the video. Do you know if i can do this in Spdif with an Axe FX 3 and a studio 192 ? Cheers, Perry.
Hi Joe. Silly question. I'm using a Studio 1810c. I set up Pipeline Stereo to a hardware compressor and I can't get it to work. I'm showing a stereo signal through the entire path in S1, my hardware VU's, and the I/O in Pipeline. I'm only able to use headphones at the moment. Is it possible to monitor a Pipeline connect via headphones or do I have to use my studio monitors in the Main Outs on the 1810c? I'm kind of at a loss at this point. Thank you.
you could use the adats in and out also instead of the lines out for less fiddling with cables. btw the headphone outs will have a lower signal out.
Well you can't use ADATS if you're plugging into a pedalboard. - Joe Gilder
Says who?...
Just use the adats outs on your soundcard.
Signals can be send out to like the Behringer ada8000 from the DAW and back in to another ada8000 for 4 stereo or 8 mono inputs.
I've done this before and it works great. Trust me.
Man..I wish my interface had the preamp in and out.
And how do you record all of your experiments?
Record it to a track. - Joe Gilder
Hi, thanks for the video. I’m setting it up as the video but I’m doing something wrong (obviously). I’m getting a nasty feedback loop which is hitting at max level. What I want to do is use my 3 pedals as a mastering chain in Studio One. I’m using a Reamp box. Any suggestions?
can you please do this on a apollo twin x I having the damnedest time getting my pedal working in studio one PLEASE!!!
can you do this with older versions of studio one like 3 or 4?
Hey Joe, great lesson. Once you have the desired Pedalboard effect dialled in, how do you go about printing to a new track?
You could record it to a new track. Bounce the selection to a new track. Lots of options. - Joe Gilder
Idk if this is an issue or not but it seems like when I have pipeline mono on a track and turn the mix up on my pedal I can still hear the dry signal it just sounds more to the left, it doesn’t print like that but it would be nice to hear my entire wet signal without any of the dry peaking through, is there any way around this?
Hey Joe and Presonus, can u guys make a video on syncing guitar pedals via midi with Studio One? For instance i have a TC Electronic Flashback 2 X4 and a Boss MD-500 that i want to sync their tempo to Studio One. I understand i need to connect my interfaces midi out to my first pedal's midi in, then connect that pedals midi thru to the next pedal's midi in, but the Studio One midi preferences/settings is where i get lost.
I wonder how this would work with my old firepod thats been collecting dust. Also wonder about the latency on that ole thing.
also works om Umc1820;)
Sure. Works with any interface. 😂
Can we please be able to right click to copy and paste sounds in Impact? Really you want us to hold control and drag to another pad in this day and age??? It's a P.I.T.A trying to organize sounds moving them from bank to bank which you can't do with the hold control method when moving sounds from bank to bank. You literally have to dig for sounds on in folders you used on another bank just to re-arrange them on different banks.
Hey Joe, can i route mono out of pipeline, but stereo back into it if i select the stereo version of pipeline, or does it have to be stereo out and stereo in, or mono out and mono back in?
Nvm i just opened it and checked for myself. Its either all mono or all stereo. U guys should make a mono-stereo version in a future update.
Very cool
That is awesome😂😂
Hey Joe, This is fantastic and I'm loving the capabilities of this as a plugin! However Im having trouble printing it. I want to be able to control delay repeats in real time but when I record this plugin back onto another track I can't line up the latency right. Is there another way to do this? How do you print these effects?
Ps: the plugin is working perfectly until I try to print record
Which sort of defeats its purpose?
You should do a video on the impulse response maker plugin. I was trying to create and impulse response with a lexicon reverb unit hooked up to Presonus Studio 26 interface. I had the outputs 3 and 4 hooked to the inputs of the reverb and the outputs of the reverb hooked up to the inputs 1 and 2. No matter what I did I was getting a noise loop doing this. When I turned up the input on the reverb unit it started to feedback on itself somehow even though no signal was being fed out from studio one. It's extremely annoying. Even not having the monitor button for the inputs on I could hear a faint signal in my headphones also. This is leading me to think the interface itself might be the issue. I'm not a noob, and have used the IR maker for guitar cab impulses with my Studiolive 1642, but that's not in my home space.
Sorry I've never messed with it. - Joe Gilder
@@presonus Sounds like a good idea for a new video then!
The return should not rather go into a line input instead of Hi-Z?
I mean it's coming out of a Hi-Z pedalboard... - Joe Gilder
Could you send the return signal to one of the line inputs of the interface instead of using the instrument input?
Probably. Just would have to change the input in pipeline
Yup
Hey Joe, sorry that this is off topic (that is as cool thing I will have to try at some point as soon as I can upgrade my interface though!) but I just uploaded a mix for the Sphere Demixify Sessions. I accidentally sent two of the same mix only because I was about halfway through the upload process before I saw the Zip Files Only bit. (I feel like an idiot because I work retail and usually call others out for not fully noticing details despite it being in all caps. ) I hope this doesn't disqualify me from consideration, as I tried desperately to stop the upload of the .wav file.So if there's any confusion as to why you got two submissions from me, that's why.
Thanks for this tip in this video as well, like I said I'll have to give that a go once I can get a better interface than my Studio 24c.
Brett, it looks like you still got it wrong. 😂 I'm asking for your Studio One Session, not a WAV file. Go back and watch the video where I show you step by step how to make your submission. - Joe Gilder
@@presonus Ok, is it in the Sphere backlog?
Or if you could post a link to it that would be great too! Thanks.
@@presonus Found it, and hopefully I did it right this time. It didn't take long at all to upload. I am using a PC so hopefully it got all the stuff you need.
Hey Brett. Don't want to be "that guy," but you still didn't follow the directions. Watch the video I link to on the submission page. It walks you through the process.
Noise floor is much lower using a reamp box
Probably. I didn't hear any noise. - Joe Gilder
Hi, Joe! Great tutorial, can i use my PRESONUS AR12 for my BOSS ME 80 GUITAR EFX? Thanks
Do what I did. Try it. - Joe Gilder
This did not work for me whats so ever. my speakers keep wanting to explode from the feedback.
You've got it routed wrong. Somewhere in your routing you've got he signal "feeding back" into the main signal. - Joe Gilder
Hey Joe. Pipeline works with either stereo or mono tracks. But if I'm reamping a guitar, I might have three or four mics on the cab. What's the preferred way to bring the mic tracks back into the DAW and maintain phase relationships between them and the original DI?
That's just a regular ol' re-amping setup. You wouldn't use pipeline for that. Just record to separate tracks. - Joe Gilder
@@presonus cheers Joe. So, set the output of the DI track as the soundcard output connected to the amp; then arm three mono tracks to record the mics?
Yeah, that's much simpler, I think I was overthinking it. Cheers!
So how do you actually record it to track? Do you need record dry add effects later and record that to a new track? I never used pipeline. Never looked at it before. Please expand on this. Thank you.
Bounce the dry track with the effects on. It will be in real time obviously. You could always duplicate the dry track so if you change your mind further down the line. Or you could record it with the effects on, but you might have some latency issues there if pipeline is active.
Pipeline is meant to be used as a realtime-processor. So if you want to print it, you'll need to record to another track or do a bounce down. Lots of ways to do it. Explore and see which one you like. - Joe Gilder
@@presonus thanks Joe
You can use Logic's I/O utility to achieve this. The routing is pretty simple. More people should check this out...
I thought this feature has been almost every DAW like forever. I know this is PreSonus focused video, but I have done this with Reaper as long as I remember. I would like to turn my pedalboard and other hardware stuff intro plugin, but this is not it. This is just reamping.
I tried pipeline through my axe fx IIXL and it just simply would not line up no matter how many times I would try to ping it
Were you using a patch with delay or reverb? I could imagine that might confuse Pipeline.
Mikey R I had bypassed everything so the signal should’ve been just happen to ping without any interruption. I’m using Apollo stuff which should be super low latency. I think I just managed to get this to work for my pedals though. Using auto just would not work though. For whatever reason the auto setting would still have like an sixteenth note delay between the output to return. I had to manually find the sample range that got me closest and it was like 10015 samples I believe
@@theAshesofDecember1 I'm sorry to hear that! When I tried out Pipeline on my hardware channel strip, it pinged flawlessly, and that was even with a gross level problem - I think I was mixing and matching pro and consumer line levels.
Mikey R which interface are you using?? I keep wondering if there’s some reason UAD may not communicate as well. Like, since it wants to go through their console app first maybe?
@@theAshesofDecember1 that might be it. I'm using a super cheap Behringer 8x8 USB/Firewire interface.
Hi Joe, could I run this through the Presonus Audiobox USB 96?
U might be able to if u don’t use your headphones or your main monitor outputs. Try using your main output in pipeline as the send, routing the headphone output or your main output on the back of the audio box to your pedal board and then back into either input on ur audio box and select that input as the return in pipeline. It might not work the same as far as quality of the signal and u would have to be careful how u set ur volume on the audiobox itself to find the right level, but I think that could work, might not though. I cant think of any other way u could send out of Studio One and back in with an audio box.
It would be tricky but you could try it. As with most of these things, give it a try and find out for yourself. 😊 - Joe Gilder
@@orryfishburne5326 Thanks I will give it a go
@@presonus I'll see how it goes
Wow!!!
Can I do this with my StudioLive AR12? If so how?
Yes. Use USB 3-4 to feed the pedalboard and route it back in another free channel. - Joe Gilder
Sorry Joe, I'm a visual person haha thank you for your comment I'll try and figure it out and eventually I'll tag you (via Presonus) thank you for the consistent information.
Cool trick but dude... Clean up that pedalboard before your wife and dog leaves you 😂
Could you please speak a lot more quicker ... then I possibly could understand your American Knödeling much better ... ;-) . Kidding - please explain a little bit slower, I understand nothing. Sorry & thanks