Using Your Guitar Pedals to Mix? Radial EXTC-Stereo
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Radial’s EXTC-Stereo Guitar Effects Interface & Reamp Box is a unique interface for connecting guitar pedals to the inputs and outputs of pro audio equipment such as recording interfaces or mixing consoles, allowing you to incorporate your pedals in new and creative ways.
The EXTC allows you to get creative with your effects pedals, using them in your mix on any recorded track. Add a touch of distortion or chorus to a lead vocal, flange on a violin, or fuzz on piano - the possibilities are endless. The EXTC takes the line level balanced output of your recording interface and converts it so an instrument level high-Z output optimized for guitar effects pedals, so you can Reamp any track through your pedalboard with ease. Once you’ve run the signal through your pedals, connect the output back into the EXTC and it will boost it up to a balanced line level so you can connect directly to the input of your recording interface.
The EXTC features Radial’s class-A buffer for the best audio quality and transformer isolation to eliminate any buzz or hum - so you can focus your attention on using your pedals in new and exciting applications.
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- Balanced interface for guitar effects pedals
- Separate send & receive controls optimize signal path
- Transformer isolation helps eliminate ground loops
- Creative tool helps your mix stand out from the rest
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Have you ever used guitar pedals in your mixes? Let me know below!
Great Showcase and reminder about using what equipment you've already got for other uses. I've used my line 6 hx stomp with other analogue pedals linked to it (as inserts). The great thing about the hx stomp is that you can switch the input to line level, so you can use it as an external insert. It also then gives you access to it's modelled pedals, amps and cabs, plus being able to add other analogue pedals in the chain.
Yes, often. Both old ones i've had since the 70's and new bought for this.
YES! Since money has long been an issur for me, I've had to make do with all i have. With my old cassette 424, or later with my digital 788 (before the era of common home DAWs), and my arsenal of pedals, I textured sounds on the way in (recording) and out (mixing). I will use any pedal that gives me the sound or effect I'm looking for, beyond the obvious EQ, compressors, and reverbs. Excellent subject!
@@ulfsvensson9710 Back in my 4-track days I used to use my Boss delay for the vocal sends :D
Also have some of the old Zoom multis, so bad they are good!
Guitar pedals are such an underrated way of making a mix sound different
Agreed! They were so easy to use in the 4 Track Days!
Guitar pedals are now underrated for making different sounds?
That's pretty much everything that ever happened is now underrated.
I've been playing guitar for over twenty years but about six years ago I bought the Boss TU-15. That was a total sound revelation for me and for my audience too.
I’m afraid yr joke may have been a bit too dry to have an effect for those not in the loop
@@oscarallen8484 Lmao
Turning knobs is always fun!
Yes, it certainly is Monty!
That bass sound was totally in Taurus land - modulated + heavily saturated sub ordered harmonics. Glorious
Thanks ever so much!
as a novice mixer/engineer, I've realized recently that delay really helps lead guitar and single-note guitar parts cut through. even when playing live, I notice that engaging delay really makes those single-note parts cut through a lot better.
How nice to hear Warren chuckling with delight...like a kid at Christmas.
Haha thanks ever so much
The song is Half a Heart by Little Empire. They only have one album on Spotify which was released in 2015. They don't have a bio or anything linked on their profile.
Yes, the band is not longer. Here is a link to the track:- open.spotify.com/track/56xsHVYWuKjzIB55e78JuC?si=761e85423d9640bf
@@Producelikeapro do you know if the lead singer is still releasing music? I love her voice! Also thank you so much for making your videos! They have been an amazing help! While I was in college I had to do my own demos and your videos were always where I went for tips on mixing!
Thanks very much for this video! Exactly what I was looking for. Experimental, creative, and "disrespectful" ways to use a re-amp box and fx pedals!
Killer idea!!... Way easier to get tones from pedals than from plugins, specially when you "don´t know"
Thanks ever so much Gabriel!
I first started recording my bands in the late 90s with a Tascam 4 track and used guitar pedals in the bus for mixing and fx.
Yes! I did with 4 Tracks as well!
Fantastic Warren. I've just ordered the Radial J-48. This'll be next on the list. Love this idea. Thank you so much.
I have a J-48! I love it!!
I used a radial x-amp with dubious results.
When using a good audio interface (for example a motu 828es) wouldn’t a unit like you review be redundant? In the audio interface you can tweak input and output volume already
What is the real advantage of this radial? Phase switch is fine yes
@@MusicFed my reamp out on my interface gives me hum, a reamp box I think would reduce it. Hope so anyway!
@@MusicFed Was wondering the same. I hope someone can help with some clarifications.
@@MusicFed main thing is going line to instrument then back to line I thought
"So wrong, it's right!"
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Haha indeed
Yeah, this is a good idea. T-Rex is coming out with a new real tape delay pedal soon and this would be a handy way to add real tape delay to tracks. Of course, if you want to stay in the box, something like the Helix Native VST is also great for "messing stuff up" in the box.
Thanks ever so much Lawrence!
Funnily enough I have the original Extc mono and a trex replicator tape delay. Kill dry blended. It is such a good sound. I’d love to have this Stereo version though!
I haven't watched this yet, but let me say I used to do that A LOT back in the 80's. The delay pedal in particular was very useful for vocal tracking. I had a Tascam 4 track Portastudio and ran the signal out, through my pedals, and back in through the auxiliary channels. I can't think of a reason it wouldn't work now.
I have used guitar pedals in mixes and it was a pain in the backside. Thanks for bringing this great pedal interface to our attention. If I don't win one, I will have to buy one. Another great video. Thanks
I don't have this capability yet, but wow what a great tool especially for a mixing engineer like me, who uses effect pedals for instrumentation.
Thank you Warren! Great test run!
I have been using a couple mono versions of the extc for about a year. Fantastic for so many things. One really amazing thing is I have NEVER had hum/buzz problems. Those gremlins that inhabit my live rig pedalboard do not cause any problems with the extc. They are built extremely well.
Yeah I've got a boss me80 as an external effect in Ableton using a Palmer dacapo reamp.
It's great fun but there were quite a few ear splitting squeals and periods of baffling silence figuring the routing and levels.
I have one on the way rn I can’t wait to mess around with this thing!
I've used a proco turbo rat on snare for years.
Fantastic!!
Just picked up this device and I can’t wait to use it.
That’s wonderful to hear
I tried to write something, but I went missing, I asked Radial for a job once. I liked Burnaby and my AV2.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Always used to run monosynths through pedals back in the 80s live days - best pedal I ever bought was a BF2 for my Pro One - and it still works.
Also using putting an HM2 in a feedback loop back into the filter.
Having hands on analog gear and not many resources brings out the inventivations.
Dope! If I get one I‘ll use my Nocturne El Pescadoro Guitar pedal which replicates the early Chess Records Reverb heard on all those Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley tracks!
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Love it! KMFDM the Disney right outta that vocal 🤣🤣✌️🎶🎶
Hahahaha Thanks ever so much!
@@Producelikeapro I didn't mean to be diminishing with Disney reference, sorry if I came off that way. What you did twisting the pedals knobs stirred a flashback when I was young and setting up for a KMFDM /MINISTRY show. A guy from KMFDM had a folding lawn chair with just a couple of saggy springs on it, mic' d up and running thru a pedalboard , he'd smack the shit out the chair frame with a metal pipe while chanting "hey!" and this remarkably frightening sound would roar outta the pa. Coolest sound ever! Craziest most creative thing I'd ever seen. That sound would become a signature for the band but I think it became a pad/synth sample, who knows, technology was moving at a break neck pace at the time...thanks for the flashback dude. Stay safe and well ✌️ 🎶 🎶
@@gmichaelhall haha that’s quite ok! I don’t take it badly! Always good to have a good sense of humour and not take ourselves too seriously
@@Producelikeapro thank you mate, it would have bugged me all day that my unfiltered comment might have upset someone. Greatest video, thank you so much for inspiration and the cascading memories.
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I have the older Radial EXTC-SA (Mono version), I haven't used it for mixing, but have done some serious reamping with it. Great box, incredibly useful, built like a tank - everything you'd expect from Radial. I need to upgrade to the stereo version!
We all know what you really need to do now.
BOSS METAL ZONE!
Haha Agreed! Thanks ever so much!
I have been doing that for a long time. Setup an FX loop using an in and an out from my soundcard (it's got 8 ins and 8 outs, RME). And then, in Reaper, I use Rea Insert - with device latency adjustment, so FX track is aligned properly with the dry track. It works perfectly, very low latency (at 64 smpls) - even when playing guitar in real time, it's not a problem. I made loads of tests, and I never had any problems with phase. (i don't know if what i'm saying is clear enough).
I love to see interesting pedals in action. Great work!
Thanks ever so much!
@@Producelikeapro My pleasure!
Really awesome idea! Thank you so much for this video Warren! 😀👍
Thanks ever so much Alexey!
Thanks Warren! This is cool, going to try this.
As far as using all the pedals for mixing I have a dedicated stereo send going to a Boss ES8 with the board laid out in the ES8 which allows me to save interesting patches like a preset I can use for mixing. It’s pretty awesome but easy to become overly indulgent 🤪
It’s also midi controllable so you can do all kinds of nutty stuff with CC messages from the DAW
@@anthonydallarosa8314 thanks for sharing!! Very cool
Thanks for this, Warren. A detailed example of how to use the device and clarifying hardware/software minimums (outs, etc.) and now I can put my EXTC to work after some upgrades.
got the 500 one , been using on vocals, works great !
I have been doing the same thing a long time ago using my mixer, plugging it in the Aux and putting it back in a couple of input channels
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
I want one of these so much! I need to use my BOSS RE-20 Space Echo on...everything!
wicked kick sound Warren 👍
Thanks ever so much
I was just recently asking Lawrence Petross of LPD pedals about this very subject. I was asking about running mic pre's into pedals. He said I'd basically need a -10 db from line level (that's what an amps FX loop does.)
Thanks ever so much Loren!
Thanks for Everything !
Thanks ever so much Lorenzo!
Awesome tool to have fun and be creative. Thanks for the demonstration, Warren. I definitely need one!
I really wish I could get mine to work like this. I'm so defeated.
Thanks Warren. Late to the party but this is awesome.
Remember doing this in the old 4-track cassette days as well as on the adats
I can do this with Studio One with a plugin called Pipeline XT. I just take a signal out of my 18 channel interface into any analog effect including pedals and back in from the pedal. I have a Boss Gt 10-B hooked up this way.
The plugin takes into account any latency from the pedal and automatically corrects it, and I can mix to my heart’s content. I do however like the look of that.
the overdrive right into the delay pedal on a short setting would be such a great tape slap sound!
I was only thinking about this the other week and also purchased one of these. Great video.
I have the older mono version of this device, just one line in/out. I went from zero guitar pedals to (... counts pedals on table top ...) 16 guitar pedals in a year and i don't even play guitar, but man do i have fun getting wild sounds out of my DAW through these. You too can start this hobby, just google Chase Bliss, JHS, EarthQuaker Devices, Jackson Audio, Walrus Audio, and you're welcome :)
I do this all the time with my H9 Max
Thanks ever so much for sharing!! Yes, H9 is amazing!
nice one. I am eyeing that one aswell, mostly to treat samples with guitar pedals (reverb, delay and multifx).
Thanks ever so much
That metallic sound from the pedal reminds me of A Flock of Seagulls, stuff going on in their first album.
Yeah, I've been so much inspired when combining a simple (like almost initial) preset in Vital with TSE B.O.D bass pedal emulation, I got a super-classic Drum'n'Bass bass for free and using only one FX plugin. I highly recommend trying out guitar pedals/plugins on everything else other than guitars - this could sound amazing & unique! For example, adding heavily EQ/compressed/distorted/overdriven voice in parallel could work almost like a saturation/exciter for your vocals.
Using hardware pedals with real audio IN/OUT configuration could get tricky, but that might help a lot too. For example, as a mobile dj I've got T.C.Electronic M350 unit, some DBX stereo compressors and even an old Drive Rack PA, but this time I'd rather use plugins for saving my time. But for a dirty unique sound I could go with them too, and this is absolutely unlimited!
I'm going to have to get one of these. I wish I still had all the pedals I've owned over the years. I should be able to get some nice saturation with my Xotic boosters and preamp pedals. I love the effect you got with the Super Octave! A Super Shifter would be cool to play around with as well. Thanks for posting!
Palmer Audio has a new product series called 'river', very solid re-amp boxes of high quality for a very reasonable price !
poor mans outboard!! love it!! i've done a series of tests doing this with a id44, then with an apollo twin. The ua interface has way less latency and captured back a way truer sound, not such a big deal on one element, but on a mix it loses a tone of energy.
If u only have a 2output interface, could u just unplug one of your monitor outputs momentarily in order to record the pedal?
Indeed, you could assign the mix to one side and the pedal to the other!
This is cool! Love the creativity!
Hi Martin! Thank you so much!
I always liked this idea but never recorded it because I can always hear too much extra noise/hum/crackling introduced?
This is just aaaawesome, love to use guitar pedals in my mixes, from heavy fuzz sounds to delays and especially spring reverbs on vocals or for special FX - tasty!!!
I can see that being a very useful tool. Very cool.
Thanks ever so much
I HAVE AND DO USE DELAY AND MODULATION IN VST FORM WHICH WAS THE BIGGEST GAME CHANGER FOR ME BUT EVERY AMP AND DISTORTION PEDAL VST IVE TRIED SOUNDED EXCRUCIATING I HAVE USED THINGS LIKE DECAPITATOR TO ADD GAIN TO ALREADY DISTORTED TRACK WHICH WAS FINE. MUSIC IS REAL
Damn I’m gonna buy this and use it with my Eventide TimeFactor and Space
Good evening Boss! 😎👍
Thanks ever so much Nigel!
Love the experimenting Warren.
I use my TC Electronics G System pedal board which has a rack mountable, detachable unit
Cool box. But why can't you just take the line out of your interface to the input of the pedals and then out of the pedals to a line in on your interface?
You can balance the outputs to the proper line input level for a pedal! This unit of course just makes it so you just send a signal from any track without having to do a set up especially for it! It's all about time, flexibility and convenience
this is super cool,
but cant one just take the sample/ recording and just trigger it from say an MPC and send it through your pedals etc and into your interface ?
i guess you would get the same result, and not really need the box
Interesting about 'Virtual Instruments'... I basically tend to construct my material in its basic end-to-end form in 'GarageBand'... only because I'm used to it and can put stuff together relatively quickly. Because of this I kind of always use its virtual pick bass and ramp it up a bit, I always use the virtual drums for running hi-hat and fills BUT then manually programme the kick and snare... plus I quite often just mess about with the guitars too. Stick a few plugins in there and you're rough and ready but away!! 🤓👍
Ufff this is just what i wanted, real analog stuff!
The difference with and without a reamping box would be in the impedance. Can you achieve the same result without such device? For example, by switching the return input after the pedals to “instrument” instead of line?
Warren try a Gamechanger plasma coil pedal! They’re crazy and sound great on a drum buss
I LOVE that company!! Thanks ever so much
Amazing channel mate, love what you do 👍🏻
@@noelblackman7570 Thanks ever so much Noel!
I like the new camera filming you got. Is the camera’s motion controlled with the smartphone?
Awesome! you can do it with TwoNotes products as well, like the Torpedo Reload.
I hope it would work with a headphone out. If so I would need to make sure I have monitors on which to listen back. Or I could just run it through my main outputs as I haven't any monitors at the minute. If it doesn't work with the headphone option I would need to upgrade my interface to integrate it.
I can imagine having fun with a wah pedal with this....or maybe my EHX B9 or Mel9....and also the HX Stomp seems perfect for that box. You could use its stereo EQs & compressors instead of plugins for a different sound, its new Tape Reel effect, I could go on and on but I think the Stomp is tailor made for the EXTC. So I thought I'd enter the raffle 😆
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What drum samples are they because they just sound perfect!
Nice track by the way, great vocal... vive la random effects! 🤓👍
Hi Nigel! Thanks for listening! Here's a link to the song:- open.spotify.com/track/56xsHVYWuKjzIB55e78JuC?si=761e85423d9640bf
@@Producelikeapro Thanks Warren, much appreciated! 👍
You might want to try some jhs pedals for drums! And don't forget Tchad Blake's Sansamp method for drums as well!
Maybe a stupid question but: if it's a totally wet signal, couldn't you just have connected the pedals directly to the outs without the XTC?
Great video! With this reamp device, can you send a mono signal to the reamp and then come back in stereo? For example, if I wanted to print back in a stereo delay from a pedal?
Are you not able to just do this without the extc? As in just send the output straight to the pedals without the extc in between??
Serious question. Something to do with impedance?
Love this, thanks so much. Any thoughts on why low
levels would be happening? I’m in reason and can’t figure the best routing out. Head scratcher! I’m running the extc-sa. Any thoughts much appreciated and thanks much. Ads do not bother most of us and like your position on that
I am new to DAW recording (using the free Studio One) and I also have an Id44. I am retired and am getting back to learning guitar. The Id44 has loop inserts on the back for channels 1&2. I inserted a fuzz pedal and it worked great for recording my guitar tracks. At this time, my only purpose for recording my guitar is to listen to my playing to improve my playing. I used to use a Yamaha MT120 4-track cassette recorder. My question is, is the Radial EXTC better than the loop back inserts on the Id44 for my situation? And why? By the way, your videos are great! Thank you!
hi Warren, try the Nux mg300 pedal or the Boss 001 for guitars, you can reamp thru the pedal via usb, its futuristic, that will be great content.
Those electro- harmonics pedals are awesome. B9, C9 Mel 9.Their bass Machine emulates P Basses, upright ect... Gonna check out the clone theory.
Using my Tech 21 Sans Amp pedal in clean mode these days to increase the vibe of electric guitars and bass while tracking and loving it. It's a poor man's utility for a missing quality analog preamp 😉
This is amazing! Checked Thomann now and they were out of stock. Guess these videos have an impact!
Orchid electronics should have their "Amp Interface" in stock next week, I'm getting one.
cool upload Warren, Liam Howlett used pedals in the mix, deffo with percussion parts...of course, the idea may well have come down from the production guru's ;)
I use a Ventris dual reverb on all my tracks, very nice pedal I recommend it.
Do you use this unit to mix the Ventris in? How do you incorporate it in your mix?
Loving this but the radial stuff is really expensive in Europe! Gotta make it work with the Palmer DACCAPO!
Just thinking the same thing! It's literally the same concept do, right?
@@brianlalor1509 Yes, you will not notice a difference in sound quality between reamp boxes. The prices differ because of practicality and features
@@NikosPage ah yes, that makes sense. The blend control and input/output are pretty useful on this Radial. However, not essential. Thank you Nikos, best wishes
@@NikosPage it's built so well though, I have never had a Radial product break...ever
@@darlenesheffield9835 If you live in the US, yes! Get a Radial. But in Europe and especially Greece with almost no way to acquire that much money from studio time, it's probably best to spend 60€ on a Palmer product. Oh and it's built like a tank too 😇
Excellent! Love it!
I like this idea!
Thanks ever so much Audrey
Any suggestions on using a Roland Gr55 recording to my DAW ? By itself it sounds great, but I cannot seem to get the same sound in my Studio One Pro.
Hi Warren- great vid! Quick question - if I wanted to use this as a traditional reamp box to run a signal to an amp, then mic the amp and come back into my DAW, is it possible?
What's the minimum standard of little cables between pedals you guys would use? I just want a recommendation if you needed to buy 9 or 10. thanks!
I love this!
Thanks ever so much!
Looking at picking one of these up and I can't seem to find the answer - can you run the output of the pedals into an amp to reamp? I'm assuming you could because.... why wouldn't that work, but I'd love to know for sure!
Love this! Wanna have
Thanks ever so much!
this song is banging
Thanks ever so much!
What happens if you just run the audio into the guitar pedal without the EXTC? Can it damage the pedal?