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Let's be honest, if Leffen had won, he would have said things like "well, i beat you on vanilla set up, i was just better", he would never replay a game he won
You sure about that? Leffen was pretty confident in his abilities. I don’t think it’s a sure thing he’d back down from a rematch that he would probably win.
@@CosmicHippopotamus Considering Leffens character, yes absolutely. The dude is that grimey and that much of a scumbag. Make no mistake about it either, he hasn't changed in the slightest in that regard contrary to the popular narrative that he's "cleaned up his act"
@@CosmicHippopotamusdo you remember that time pause wasnt turned off in teams?
@@CosmicHippopotamus i mean, he was confident and he lost, so I don't think so
@@CosmicHippopotamusYou clearly know nothing about Leffen
The new chat messages for slippi are awesome. I love saying “imo should be replayed” when someone quits out at the start.
I think a dispute could have ended better in a grudge match at a different tournament than a replay of the set.
I remember watching this live. Chu 100% got robbed. Leff lost to SoPo in a game come on.
Who would have thought that the most controversial set happened because leffen lost and bitched about it right?
My thought for that situation is that whenever a game is played, then both parties tacitly acknowledge the result of the game before it. I would only have replayed the final game.
This video was so well made, remembering these sets is like opening up an old scar though. Chudat got to avenge Chillin two years later and then had even that snatched from them :(
Chudat comes out on top in the end for me. Taking it to a game 10 even after getting hit by the biggest conceivable tilter to someones mindset going into the same set again. Grateful that we haven't had anymore major UCF incidents in 6 years though.
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video where Chu says to fck Leffen cuz he cost him a lot of money
If UCF was off by accident and not sabotage by either player it is the onus of the players to do something during the set, once the handshake happens the result should be permanent.
For example in chess, it's your responsibility to make sure the clocks work before the match and the players in some cases can agree to slightly modified versions of the time control if the specific clock does not allow for the tournament's standard, and the opponent does not have theirs. Regardless, once the match is over and handshakes occur, the result is final. It's your job to confirm with the opponent that the match is satisfactory and approach a TO if something regarding those circumstances changes mid-set.
In Yugioh is similar, both players need to be aware of everything that is happening and if you failed to notice that smething was wrong, then when the game is finished then is finished, also in Yugioh there can be instances when both player didn't notice something was wrong and if for some reason people you notice like one turn after the fact, you need to call a judge and if the gamas state is seen as repairable then both get a warning and continue to play, but if the game state is seen as non repairable both get a game loss, and with that you can have a match in which both player lose.
@@Ms666slayer Interesting, cool to know! I'm sure there are similar situations in a lot of competitive games, makes the handling here even more incomprehensible to me.
this is just a reminder that leffen is the antithesis of everything most people value as sportsmanship, honor and having fun with video games
I remember something like this long time ago :
- During Genesis 1 , Armada vs M2K was on winner semis and it was a "Best of 3" and when Mute City was still legal lmao. Also on that set M2K strike FD twice LMAO , but Armada clutch out a 2-1 win in the end and after the set , the TOs came to Armada and M2K and mentioned it was a Best of 5 , but both of them already agree with the result. At the end , if it was played a BEST of 5 AT THE BEGGINING AND NOT TELL YOU AFTER GAME 3 , it would have impacted all the games.
- Another incident was Hbox vs Albert , which was a best of 3 and they played it till game 5. The funny thing about this is that Albert won Game 3 and Game 5 , thus he pretty much beat Hbox twice lmao. Its very funny how TOs miss small things like this.
- The Leffen and Chudat situation , both of them came up losing. A lot of things should had been check before hand. TOs screw up big time , also the players could have check the controllers and ask for a 5 min set up checking , and at the end of the day , Chudat came up as the one who got "the end of the stick" and Leffen portrayed as "the cry baby guy" when they were things that both of them could not control. Though I would say this , Leffen could have refuse the rematch vs Chudat and let him played M2K. There is always an arguement for each side so cant really blame Leffen at all.
Worst TO call ever. Will always be the biggest stain on Shine's legacy and it overshadows some other really hype moments sadly
I mean, evo switching the format to bo3 and not telling the players was way worse imo
@@Relisoc FR, even tho HBox would not have won that probably, the fact that the rules changed at all without warning is the scummiest thing a TO can do.
Ayo that's my video
Fortune's game where he insisted his opponent drop a stock for accidentally unplugging the controller and the game pausing was pretty controversial
Not Fiction, that was Fortune
@@Michael-hc2hp thanks for the correction
To specify and make it sound even worse, FORTUNE unplugged his own controller in a fit of rage and his opponent was nice enough to pause the game to save Fortune from SDing and Fortune STILL wanted his opponent to drop a stock. Absolutely slimy
@@Wingsaber what a poophead
i agree that it shouldn't have been replayed.
i think replaying a set that already happened in this manner is just as unorthodox and uncomfortable a situation as no UCF in terms of the player mentality and adaptation.
Chu should've never replayed that set, costed him a spot in the top 10 that year.
Chudat had wobbling he didn’t deserve to win shit 🤣
Blwhats even worse was thatbthis was during chudats revive. He was gaining ranks and this was probably going to be hi first bigntourney win in a looooong time. I remember that after this match he was to face mew2king, and m2k still couldnt counter chudat's ice climbers and was almost a guelarenteed win for chudat. It was heqrtbreaking to see chudat robbed of a most gyarenteed big tourney win.
As a massive leffen hater. This match never should have been replayed.
And I also agree with everything you said. The rules should be very up front no matter who's involved.
Shout-out Thierry Henry. Good looks Armada
What sucks is chudat wouldve played m2k next and most likely wouldve beaten him and got 4th unlike leffen who lost to m2k right after anyways. Also this wouldve helped chudat get ranked 10th instead of 11th for the year over s2j which i feel chudat shouldve gotton 10th regardless.
Smash community would be SO much better with Leffen removed from it permanently! Also. Leffen does a quick button check but says nothing? Why do that? Unless he turned it off? How you going to suspect it vring off but not say anything about it mid set?
I was at that shine for trash4 and wasnt fully familiar with ucf at the time. Me and my friend wanted chu to beat leffen
So we were completely confused by the whole controversy and forcing them to replay the entire set.
I still believe chu should have refused and force the TO to dq him.
imo should've called it during the set
yeah controller check would have been the perfect opportunity, but oh well Leffen's loss is everyone else's gain
@@MrCactuar13but Leffen ended up winning in this situation
@@nevohyams oh I wasn't paying attention, it's wild that a tweet sent in the middle of a tournament ended up having any sway on the results at all
What a time that was man. Sad we can’t relive it.
I agree with your guys' conclusion but reaching it through data collecting ignores the difference in reliance over these techniques between characters (and players) which in turn affects the confidence of the players while moving around. I still think the result should have stayed, but underplaying the effect of there being no UCF isn't necessary to make that point.
Also leffen doing a buttoncheck mid match tells you that he noticed something was off and, while maybe he wasn't sure about UCF being off in that moment, not being able to trust his movement definitely affected his performance.
Well you also need to understand that leffen continued to play after his controller check. Realistically he should have called a TO to check the game if he felt something was off. If you agree to play a match, it should count.
@@lunchtreyy im not attacking the decision being made, im attacking this videos flimsy arguements. I agree with you. Leffen felt something was off but in that moment for whatever reasons he didnt call anyone, and its not absurd to say that at that point whats done is done, but my points about the video stand.
Disappointed that you didn’t include the salty clip where Chu says “f*
Replaying the set was extremely based. If everyone was playing UCF Melee all weekend, then keeping the results of a set that didn't have it on (especially if it was that close) would be incredibly unfair to the losing player. It would be like counting a set that somebody lost on 0.9 damage ratio, like Armada "losing" to SS. That the player happened to be Leffen shouldn't really matter, but smash has enough weirdos who hate him for canceling their favorite sex pest Ultimate players that popular opinion swings away from rationality lol
leffen is a rat
I have question why are you still interested in making melee videos if you dont play anymrore?
I watch em and I don't even play melee.
views glorious views
Because Armada is still one of the GOATS of Melee and the most consistent player of all time. He was just an ironfirst during his reign , and Armada takes and opinions give us a different point of view.
@@5gods truuuue
might as well make the streaming money ,pays way more consistently than tournaments anyways
How about that random that beat you because the setting was 0.9 or something.
Ain't no way you just called SilentSpectre a random
SilentSpectre is apparently a random, god damn
You still have time to delete this comment js
The disrespect from some random viewers is honestly tangible.