Laurel Canyon Episode 3: RE-EDITED VERSION - "The Kirkwood Bowl" (First Half)
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- The RE-EDITED VERSION of the third episode of our Laurel Canyon miniseries, by Wolf River Music Television. A Journey Thru History and Song 1965-1974 explores the inner workings of the music scene that seemed to explode out of this area north of Hollywood in the mid-1960's and featured legendary musicians and groups such as: The Byrds, The Mamas and The Papas, Buffalo Springfield, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, CSNY, The Doors, Frank Zappa, Carole King, The Eagles, Gram Parsons, Love, Jackson Browne, The Monkees, etc. plus music industry giants such as David Geffen, Elliot Mintz, Jim Ladd, Ron Stone and Paul Rothchild. See the famous Canyon Country Store, Love Street, the Tom Mix Cabin, the Houdini Estate, and all of the other places made famous by the likes of Jim Morrison, Cass Elliot, John Lennon and others. We'll even touch on some of the darker elements that were lurking within the shadows such as the Manson Family and the inevitable evils of cocaine and heroin as they crept into the scene, causing havoc and destruction. No matter how many times this subject of music coming out of Laurel Canyon has been repeated in other documentaries, there's always something new to learn and discover. The stories are endless and some of it can be surprising and even downright shocking. Please be sure to watch all fifteen episodes. Each one has a different theme and a different set of characters and events. www.wolfrivermusic.com/
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Might have been prudent to mention that Gram never cared about commercial success as he was living off of a substantial trust fund at the time. For a succession of band mates though, paid gigs and selling records was what kept a roof over their heads! For me he's still the father of country rock though, paid my tribute at the JT inn too!
Wow. So much to be said about the life of Gram Parsons. He seems like the perfect case study of how complex it is to figure out how to treat a person's legacy and where we should draw the line between the man and the man's musical contributions. Before I had "re-edited" this particular episode in the series I had a lot of people giving me flack because they thought I was disparaging The Eagles on behalf of trying to make Gram Parsons look like a hero. I wasn't. And I'm still not. I have made it a point to call out Gram's abuse of drugs and alcohol, and his childish and even selfish behavior. He was obviously self-destructive and had a knack for making a lot of people very angry and frustrated. He was highly critical of Roger McGuinn (some of it warranted) and had a love/hate relationship with Chris Hillman, who finally just gave up on him while still to this day referring to him as a "brother". Keith Richards adored him but the rest of the Stones didn't really like him hanging around so much and finally Keith was forced to push him away and began avoiding him altogether just to keep his wife and his bandmates happy. Some of Gram's critique of The Eagles seems like a series of cheap shots and hits below the belt, and I think it may have been more likely that he said the things he did out of petty jealousy of their commercial success more than anything else. And you're right, he didn't ever really need to worry about making a living from his music because he was from a wealthy family and had the benefit of a trust fund. Had he actually found some kind of commercial success in his short lifetime, it is debatable whether or not he would have welcomed it or whether he would have just been ambivalent about it even then. We'll never really know about that now. He may have even subconsciously attempted to wreck that too, if it had ever come to fruition. He was a complex, difficult person it seems. And I know he had some very severe childhood trauma, losing a father to suicide and a mother to alcoholism at a young age. So we can judge him for his actions or we can attempt to have an understanding about what emotional scars he was dealing with and how all of it affected his outward actions. Now, as for his music... I have always loved what he did and I have always respected him for his rebellious and undeterred approach to writing and recording the kind of music he wanted to, regardless of how it may have been accepted at the time. If we think of modern music (Americana/Country Rock, etc.) it can often be overlooked that at the time he was doing his thing, all of that would have been considered to be bizarre and very non-commercial. Sweetheart of the Rodeo was NOT a commercially successful album when it came out and it even cost The Byrds a large portion of their fanbase, who were confused and bewildered by it. But the Stones latched onto the idea (Sticky Fingers) and for sure The Eagles took the idea and ran with it for the touchdown. Jackson Browne owes most of his career to Gram Parson's influence and I know that Neil Young was listening in on it too. In the end, Gram Parsons just burned himself out and had lived all of his lifetime in a short span of 26 years. I don't think he meant to kill himself, but he was arrogantly playing fast and loose with his own mortality and it finally caught up with him and also very suddenly. That's my take on it, anyway. For whatever it's worth.
Also... thank you for your comments and thanks so much for watching!
@@memoryfield IMO, it was fairly clear Gram was jelly. It was quite unhip in that crowd during that era, for one to admit they yearned to be commercially successful & make a lot of money but in the end, it’s the most common measuring gauge, unfortunately. NY famously said he had to sort of step back after the enormous success of Harvest, saying “it put me in the middle of the road, I had to get back in the ditch”. (gotta love that guy)
He would never admit it now or then, but you know he took great satisfaction of out-selling the other members of CSN when it came to their respective solo efforts.
You know, as an independent (struggling/unsuccessful) musician over the last 30 years or so I have had the "pleasure" of being around and working with hundreds of other musicians who were basically all in the same boat as me at any given time. And I have to tell you that almost ALL of them shared one of the most common traits. And that was an inner feeling of jealousy of the success of other musicians and a sense of dread that they themselves would never be able to claim any real or lasting success within their own chosen field of music. The truth is that just so very, very few will ever be able to support themselves on the income of an indie musician. It's just the reality of the game and that goes for the incredibly talented and hard-working ones too. Some of them were good at hiding these feelings while others... not so good at it at all. Some were just downright mean and nasty about it and didn't seem to understand that it's just really not a good look to throw a tantrum or go into a jealous fit of rage after seeing someone else succeed. Gram seemed like he most definitely fit that mold at his worst of times and maybe every now and then he was okay with it. He was hardly alone in that sense. David Crosby was so incensed at being kicked out of The Byrds (for being a dick 24/7) that he basically set a personal goal to do anything and everything he could to show them up and to talk bad about them any chance he could get and for anyone else who would listen to him. The success of CSN/CSNY was very gratifying to him and he watched with glee as several Byrds records (without him) went down in commercial flames as the 60's came to a close. Hell, even within The Byrds themselves they all ganged up on poor Gene Clark because he was the most prolific songwriter of the group and those first two records were mostly HIS songs. He was making more money from the publishing rights than the others were and it was making them jealous and unhappy to see him driving around in a Porsche 911 while they were in used cars. Anyway... I don't blame Gram Parsons for being jealous of The Eagles, and in a way he felt like they were using his musical ideas and then cashing in on it in ways that he just never did. There were a lot of people who were not into The Eagles when they first came out and while they were still kind of in that old Laurel Canyon crowd. They didn't stay there long. After 1969 and the whole Manson Murders thing, most of that old school Laurel Canyon crowd had dispersed anyway and had sought out places that could offer them more security than the tiny little streets in Laurel Canyon with no gates and easily accessible front doors. Everything changed after that. I look at The Eagles as the group that kind of ushered in started the whole mid-seventies Arena Rock era in the United States. They also didn't seem to have a problem with letting everyone else know that their main goal(s) were commercial success and massive fame. The backlash that followed soon after that was what gave us Punk Rock, The Sex Pistols and The Clash.
@@memoryfield No I am not a musician I can imagine that it’s a more likely a lien way of making a living. it is this issue that comes into play when certain member(s) of a band, past or present, take copy writing credits receive more royalties since they wrote the songs. It is their view that the remaining members of a man who are not contributing songwriting material should settle for less $$$ since they would never be making a kind of money that they are unsatisfied with, on their own.
At the end of the video you can hear lovebirds in the background. When I lived in Pasadena in the early 90's there was a flock of Lovebirds that would perch in the trees and chatter as they are in this vid. Just an observation.
Discovered your channel last night searching for stuff on Laurel Canyon. Grew up in the 60s and most of the music I listened to them, and now, had some connection. As a huge Byrds/McQuinn fan who never cared much for the Eagles (or bought any of their records) this episode resonated with me. Looking forward to watching the entire series. Unfortunately when I click on episode 1 it opens episode 2.
th-cam.com/video/Dh4DUhhXfvM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FghJ4MJ2j4PXXL4- This should be Episode 1
Beautiful tribute to Gram Parsons.
Thank you kindly
I laughed so hard at the point about being lectured by Keith Richards.
18:53 had me rolling on the floor.
Tremendous work. Thank you.
Many thanks!
Grevious Angel is a very well-regarded album btw. VERY well regarded.
Hodel’s son is full of it. He’s a big dope. It was some Dr down the street. First time watchin . Loved it !
I'd love a deep dive on anything related to The Eagles. They seem to have a more refined public image than other bands of that era but I'm sure they got up to far more debauchery than is currently known. Henley has said he'll take some things to the grave and reading that picquee my curiosity.
Looking right at the corner where the school but used to picked us up to go to Hollywood High School in the 70's.
That's very cool history. Do you remember the street corner and the name of the two cross streets?
I really love everything you're showing & sharing
Thank you so much!
Do you give personal tours? You should! I could definitely cruise around Laurel Canyon with this guy pointing out history and listening to good music 🎶
Maybe one day!
Holy John I never saw Hodel coming into this. Crazy….any good deep dive on Black Dalia and you find the crazy Hodel train.
Hi very awesome vlog about the history of old Laurel Canyon stay well and safe 👍🏻☮️also like the classic Eagles and the late Gram Parsons 🙏
Thank you! You too!
love how you do the homework & keep it honest
Thanks. We do our best to keep it as real as we can. We appreciate your comments!
I laughed a good laugh at end of episode 2 when you were trying to talk more on jim and his house and someone sounded like was dumping glass bottles that was funny to me thanks again im watching your videos i love the area bands and music man its great i can just feel the excitement and magic coming from where you are filiming love it man
Glad you enjoyed it! It really is an incredible place with a great vibe of history.
@@memoryfield i agree 100 percent there are some very magical places in my state that i go to in my spiritual mind to enjoy the freedom of innocence and enjoying music and life without boundaries in my mind and heart i love california also in that way i can travel so to speak in my spritual mind and heart to different places in california and man its great pure innocent freedom magical man thanks
More great work Billy, i am really enjoying the reedited versions , for some reason they seem to have a lot more to them, i love it
Oh yeah, each one so far has about 7-10 more minutes of unused footage and information that was added later. Glad you like them!
Loving this series of Vlogs! They bring me such joy :-)
So happy to hear that. Thank you for watching and for your comments!
Really enjoyed this! Please do more.
Here's the playlist of all 15 so far. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/play/PLMGnMaveEzfma6qiSlhb0EOmvKyNSpg2c.html
Awesome Love EAGLES ❤ Joni , etc Glen Frey❤️😎😇❤️🔥🤘🏽🌈 🌞🌺
Yes, so many of them to talk about and to remember. Such an awesome place full of music and history! Thanks for watching.
I love the Memoryfield cd plug! Take a book leave a book...
More like I took nothing and left a couple of CDs. LOL.
Man lonhair rebels down here in south carolina strait gett off and gett down with the eagles music my favorites no doubt eagles greatest hits vol 1 and vol 2 i played vol 1 to many times to count love the eagles
WORTH A SECOND LOOK!! Thanks Billy!
Thanks for saying so!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
My photos of Gram with Emmylou and bandmates and Phil Kaufman from 1973 would have fit right in!
Intriguing segment.
Thanks.
Thank so you much!
BEAUTIFUL LOVE THIS VIDEO THANK YOU❤
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Gotta watch the re-edits. It's funny how even today that so many of the newer bands (especially local bands) are basically performing new songs that are just re-constituted rhythms from Gram Parsons and/or "The Band". Now it seems that every new band want's to be labelled an "Americana" band. That George Hodel character looks like he could be Frank Zappa's biological father.😲
Music seems like it goes in a 25-year cycle. I guess that puts us back to about 1997 at the moment by my timeline (yuck btw). Or... if we're counting two cycles then we're also back in 1972, and that makes total sense for both Gram Parsons and the very end of The Band's heyday.
As for Zappa and George Hodel, I'm sure if you were to look in Dave McGowan's book somewhere you'll find some kind of a reference or a connection between these two. Hell, he has everything else under the sun connected to something or somebody along with the CIA and NASA.
My band in 1997-2000 was an Americana band. We covered The Band, and mostly Son Volt - our lead singer was a big fan of Jay Farrar / Uncle Tupelo. He called our sound “No Depression” music. I played it because I just liked it. But that is when I first learned about Gram Parsons (and Townes Van Zandt) in detail, since we covered both. I also thought we wrote some really good originals. I just thought of something- we also covered “Take it Easy”, Buffalo Springfield, CSNY.
Joni?
Playing all night poker?
Oh hell YES she did.
As a matter of fact she would ride the tour bus to the next gig right after passing out the band and crew Per Diem...
Only to WIN IT ALL BACK on these long bus rides where she would DESTROY all the boys at poker.
I know Mr. Harder the tour manager came home broke all because he wanted to get his PD's back.
Haha, yeah. Doesn't surprise me at all. She probably had a competitive streak in her as well.
Just heard a Poco song today and it was similar to the eagles. Guess it was the sound at that time. Good feeling!
Always liked the song 'Cmon' by Poco
some of that story sounds like the (American Horror) mini series movie
I saw a documentary about George Hodel and the black Dahlia. He was a sick F! I won’t even go into the things he did but let’s just say there was some really dark shit going on in that family. I believe 100% that he was the one that murdered Elizabeth Smart. I can’t remember the name of the documentary or where I saw it but if you know anything about this guy you know that he was into some sadistic stuff. Her body was drained of blood. She was cut up and posed. Who else but a doctor would have the ability to do that.
Billy, I just stumbled upon this edited version of 3,
i’m only at the beginning but it seems like you’re giving a lot of the altcountry/americana credit to Gram but the guys who really started this Genre were the band back east, TheBand. The biggest stars of the day, bigger than the California crowd, the big players from England like, Beatles & Stones admitted to being heavily influenced after they heard TheBands first two albums, heck, even Clapton admits to being so moved by it, it upset him and he bailed on Cream!
Okay, yeah there was probably some overlap there but.... Music from Big Pink came out in July of '68 and Sweetheart followed less than a month later. Parsons had been doing his Alt-Country/Rock thing for a couple of years and The Band had been playing as Dylan's backup band, known as The Hawks in '66. I almost think that maybe they both owe it to Dylan, more than anybody else, because of the John Wesley Harding album from December of '67. The only issue I have with giving The Band all the credit for it is because they claim themselves that they were trying to imitate the R&B sounds of early Motown and Stax just as much as anything that was related to country/folk music. The truth is that The Band were a group of brilliant musicians (love them) and they had SO MANY musical influences going on with those first two records that it's almost hard to just pin the Country Rock label on them exclusively. Just my humble opinion of course. An argument can be made for them and it seems like Dylan/Parsons/The Band were all hitting this genre more or less all at the same time.
Definitely a case to be made for The Band. They had massive influence, for sure. Immensely talented group of musicians who drew on a variety of influences and managed to blend it all together into some timeless and classic music.
@@memoryfield not that Band started/created it, but they were more influential in the trend than poor Gram, IMO, of course 👍.
@@richgallagher725 I hear ya. Certainly an argument to be made about it. Depends on how you look at it, and what timeline we're using to judge the issue. The Band ended up with a total of 16 singles between 1968 and 1993 that actually charted in the US and elsewhere. Gram Parsons had a grand total of zero in that regard. The Band were around, in some form or another, for a very long time and Gram was out of the picture at the age of 26 in 1973. The Band had a pedigree with Bob Dylan to start with and Gram Parsons had the International Submarine Band. Personally, I love them both.
@@memoryfield I love your knowledge/expertise!!
Try playing One of These Nights in Room # 8 at the Joshua Tree Inn and see what happens.
Ha ha, funny that you mention that. We stayed in Room 8 at the Joshua Tree Inn on the night of Sep 19, 2023, which was the 50th anniversary of Gram's unfortunate and untimely death. While we were there we also filmed this music video: th-cam.com/video/09KWIaA6LYw/w-d-xo.html
While we were there we made absolutely sure that no Eagles music was ever played or even mentioned, out of respect to the memory of Mr. Parsons.
" if you ve gotten to a point in ur life, where ur being lectured by KEITH RICHARDS about the over consumption of drugs and alcohol, you got some serious issues in your life"...yes, u do, no question, sir..........lol....funny stuff.
I had a lot of fun saying that. I was being a smart ass, but I enjoyed it. Thanks for watching! :)
Didn't The Wrecking Crew make them all into 'stars'?
Hal Blaine-drummer
What Gram said..was probably how Croz felt. Early Byrd's seemed too stuck
Anyone know what Gram thought of Browne? 🤪 RIP Brother 🫶🙏
Jackson Browne didn't hit the big mainstream success until well into 1972 and then Gram was gone by September of 73, so I'm not sure he had enough time to really formulate much of an opinion of Browne. I know that I have read that Browne was actually a very big fan of Parson's music, especially his work with Emmylou Harris and was known to frequent many of his shows around LA when he was very young and unknown.
@@memoryfield > makes sense...fantastic insight.
Really been enjoying the Series...I had mistakingly assumed I had previously seen it...but after watching Parts 1 & 2 it became clear I hadn't caught this Series yet.
Looking forward to the rest... currently on Part 6...good stuff...always been my preferred genre' 🙏
Is this why The Dude hatted the Eagles?
If only they buried the power lines in LA.
This has nothing to do with the videos (which I find to be grand, BTW), and everything to do with my weird sense of humor: Every time you say, "This is Billy", I think of an MST3K episode where Crow says about an underwater sequence in a movie done with toys, "Special effects by Billy!"
Haha. Yes, great show from back in the day.👾🤖👽
More than any other band, The Eagles borrowed heavily from Buffalo Springfield
Yeah, they certainly made no secret about studying a lot of those bands in LA back at that time. They wanted to know what worked, for how long, and what didn't work. Seems like they did pretty well, lol.
Gram turn the birds into a country band
Yeah, but not for long. And I don't think Gram thought of his music or influence as "country". He called it Cosmic American Music. Thanks for watching!
Sweetheart of the Rodeo!
Rachmaninoff passed in 1943. Who is Haddell/Hodel ??
Lol if you’re being lectured by Keith Richards about your drug use you have a serious problem….that was hilarious
Yeah, I made that up right there on the spot, LOL. It's just sad that it's where Gram Parsons actually was in his life. Being lectured by Keith Richards about drugs and alcohol. Yikes!
Hahahaha...Gimme a break!😎
What about the Jim Morrison cabin
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@Alex D: I think you mean the "love street" house where Jim lived for a time with his girlfriend Pamela Courson. It is a private home on Rothdell Trail near Laurel Canyon Blvd. Jim wrote the song "Love Street" and a few others there.
unfortunately greed ruined the legacy - or at least their legend has been tainted because of their treatment of Don Felder -
Don Felder not only composed the music for arguably the greatest American Anthem , he also saved Joe Walsh's life - literally -
Agreed. Although, at least back in the 70's, it seems that Don Felder may have been a bit of a pain in the *ss too at times. They were all a bit punch-drunk on their own success. Great music. I have every album and even my kid love them a whole generation later.
The Eagles cant hold acandle to lynerd skynerd
Where is the episode 3?
You did not mention Gene Clark....
Exile is great but i like Let it Bleed better
I don't like the music of the Eagles because I can't relate to it. It's all California coke and driving fast and burning out in weather that's beautiful all the time; I'm from MI, and we don't have weather like that.
I have to admit, I basically have all their albums. LOL. They have their really good points and yet I can see many of the reasons why some people just really don't like them at all. Any way you look at it, they became an American institution and you would had to have been living in a cave for the last 50 years to not have been constantly exposed to them and their music. For better or for worse. 😉
Weird Scenes Inside Laurel Canyon with Dave McGowan. Rock and Roll Conspiracy or Coincidence?
Excellent book. CIA Lookout Mountain facility could see all of the Canyon, including Cielo Drive.
I recon all these bands had the same session musicians working on there albums thats why it looks like they copyied each other also publicitiy departments wrote stories about the bands and there private lives that are not true but hear say in order to give magazines and news paper stories in the pubilc eye to keep your attention on them it also made loads of dosh for all concernei it is all bread and circuses and one big club which we and not in
Didn't Gram Parsons also try to push country music as "white soul"?
Haven't heard that one. I think that was Hall and Oates in about 1982, lol.
@@memoryfield in the book, "Scars of Sweet Paradise: The Life and Times of Janis Joplin", by Alice Echols, it's mentioned when Janis was experimenting with soul music post-BB&tHC, and during the time when racial lines were being blurred and/or crossed by American musical artists.
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All CIA ops. Laurel Canyon was military ops during WWII. This was the hardening of the Military Industrial Complex,.controlled opposition to the war in Vietnam. These people like my brother are still under this spell. Who owned all the property these musicians squatted and flopped at?
Exactly , these musicians were just part of the Hollywierd entertainment franchise and played the game as they were told and became stars in the meantime! Mostly alot of weird shit happened in the Canyon and most is covered up and hidden… No respect from me and I been a musician most my life .🤔😎👍
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No one has the market cornered on any music.
If it's not the same...it's not the same
Parsons died in a hotel room on dope. Glenn and Don did not.....
Keen observation.