What They Don't Say About The Auld Alliance between Scotland and France
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- In What They Don;t Say About The Auld Alliance, Scottish history tour guide Bruce Fummey will change your way of thinking about the alliance between Scotland and France. This is one of the best known tales from Scotlands History that everyone has wrong
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French and Scottish have fought side by side for many battles, when I think about the Auld Alliance, I think about honor and friendship. Thanks to our scottish allies from France.
And then we smashed the French at Waterloo
@@MrTangolizard who asked
@@user-tk9fm2sw5g don’t have to ask to point out a truth
The 'auld alliance' is a dead duck and only applied to part of Scotland. Our actual alliance is with the rest of the UK.
@@MrTangolizard When they were fighting for british, Scots sometimes smashed French, sometimes they were smashed by French, that's war. Concerning Waterloo, the rate of UK soldiers in this battle is finally quite poor and without the arrival of Prussians, British army would have lost despite the many mistakes of French. That's a fact.
greeting from france, long live this wonderful country
Bienvenu mon brave et j'espère que nous te verrons ici encore
I simply love listening to Bruce! He beings history alive, even engaging emotional responses to his topic of the day.
Thank you, Sir, for furthering my education in such a vibrant way.
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The part where you talk about what you originally learned about the Auld Alliance vs what you learned after learning a little French and reading about it from the French perspective was really cool.
It reminds me of the fact that learning other languages and reading different perspectives of historical events in those languages can help us get a clearer picture of what actually happened.
I know. I just wish I had more time
The Auld Alliance made more sense to me when i found out Robert the Bruce's family were originally called De Bruc, And that Norman French were literally given the Stewardship of Scotland.Norman Knights who lost their lands for choosing the loosing side in a civil war(The Anarchy) and being given lands in Scotland by the King of Scotland(who was also on the loosing side).
Great video, as always. In 1385 Jean de Vienne, Admiral of France, returned from Scotland with his French knights. He begged the King of France to make a truce with England for two or three years and then "march to Scotland and utterly destroy it, for never had they seen such wicked people, nor such ignorant hypocrites and traitors". Good to see the French had changed their minds by WWWII :)
Wow! This is crazy. My head is spinning. Fabulous as always, Bruce.
mother of god...
Once more, superb. Why are you not on TV? And once more you allude to Scottish history as being very much more complicated (and corrupt) then we are now being led to believe.
All history reveals human corruption I think. It's no respecter of borders😥
BBC would never give him a slot.
Bruce, the video you did about Bestie of William Wallace being, Sir John deGraham, well... you sparked my interest and I dug deeper into my Graham roots as a result. Sir John is my 19th great grand uncle! Another deeper root in Scotland. Thanks!!!! Love your videos.
Très intéressant. Moi aussi j’ai appris le français à Montpellier. Comme irlandais, l’histoire de l’Écosse m’intéresse beaucoup.
What a poser ! J'ai appris francais a` l'ecole .. in Glasgow.
@@armstronggermany2995 interesting reply. Two months later…. My point was that, like the presenter of the video, I had learned French language in Montpellier. I hope you are not accusing him of being a “poser” or “poseur”as well. Anyway thanks for your thought provoking albeit belated comment.
It’s a good job you asked for coffee. If I had to buy you a pint in Norway I’d have to take out a second mortgage. History shows just how complicated politics was is the past
Aye. the dirty overcharging Viking gits!
A bit harsh on the Norwegians Bruce!
Anyway, the Auld Alliance always seemed a bit one sided to me and worked in favour of the French, more than it aver did for us.
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@@ScotlandHistoryTours Tory Scumbags, also. Don't see many videos about that. (Use that as next video cover)
Maybe that's what started it all- King Eric only wanted the cash to buy a pint!
Thanks to Kevin bridges everytime I hear the word empty I think there are GETTING a party.
Mr. Fummey; Another great job! Sincerely
Thank you! Norway has not changed It's"Modus Operandi," at all. They still operate in exactly the same manner, so thank you Bruce. This is something I knew 0% about, but it very much fits into how I see things.
This episode is enough to give a guy a headache keeping track of who did what, but I am getting a feel for it and this particular video made great sense.
A true teacher of history 👏
Ah thanks
What is interesting about history, is you can read it several times and get a different picture to the light of new elements you discover. Beautiful video!
I know a bit of Scottish history mainly via Nigel Tranter but hasn't realised Norway's involvement in forming the old alliance very informative.
Hi french guy here. I just stumble upon your video. You're a really great storyteller ! loved the video.
Je vous en prie
I spent 5 years in high school ( Blairgowrie, Aberfeldy and Madras College); we studied English history, with a 2 week precis on Scottish history!!!
You're rapidly makin up for this deficit, can't thank you enough, Big Yan.
Gum bi do bheata fada.
One does one's best☺
Amazing video ! Cheers from France!
Je vous en prie
And congrats for rugby victory today, made my day!!
Brilliant video yet again!
Brilliant, Thankfully I have just found you and you make compulsive viewing.
Love the knowledge.
Unreal! Just fantastic education presented by a consummate professional!
Another great video. Well researched
Thank you
Thank mate
Great upload as ever Bruce!
Another great video.
Freedoms Sword by Peter Taquiar is a great book that covers the great cause in depth, great video Bruce!
Ya blew my socks off with this video .
Aye, ye didnae need those.socks in the first place 😆
Great video as always 👍🏻
Thanks again!
Great video. Thanks!
You're welcome
This...
Was...
Awesome...!👍✨👀
Cheers
Really enjoyed watching these videos relating to the auld alliance! And wow! Mind blown!! i would certainly like to know a bit more about this topic as yes it's not well known although does play quite an important part in the history of the three kingdoms of Scotland, France and England. I would love to learn more,, so much more!!
You'll want to watch this one then th-cam.com/video/ROG4bQz2yaw/w-d-xo.html
Another gem of a video!
a wee country like ours must be really special by the way I Ken it is everyone wants a piece of her or is it the children she has given birth to and adopted great vid 🏴👍🤓
Aye - special indeed - its a miracle we have a sense of being “one” country at all. Scotland has always been an ethnically and linguistically diverse area which by hook and by crook has forged a sense of being a single country made o mony pairts
Interesting and thank you for sharing . Cheers from Denmark 🇩🇰
Those pesky Norwegians
Wait. What? As an American with Orcadian roots I'm torn tween emotions here. Damn you, Bruce!!
Funny, charismatic and educational. You're wasted baby. Keep it up. Brilliant
I was not wasted! I was just a wee bit tired😜
Wow, that's I call a VIDEO ! I'm French and loved every bit of this. You perhaps forgot to mention that the Auld Alliance existed in an unformal way for centuries before 1295. I'm suscribing et Vive l'Auld Alliance !
😘 Bienvenu
You tell the best stories.
I try
Great vid. I hadn't realised that either.
Glad to help
Thanks
No problem
thanks man love it
Thank YOU Keith
Nice and salty on this one Brucie 👍
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Chust brilliant!
Thank you kindly!
Rich and powerful people trying to carve up the world, encouraging their citizens to fight for them, in other lands and telling them to do it for 'their country'; telling them that their woes are because of those other people and getting them to wave their flags and be proud.
Thank goodness all that kind of thing doesn't happen today!
Of course it doesn't. Hurrah
Wit Th Eff! Th Norwegians!
Another stunner of an episode.....Loving your productions....defo some of the best broadcasts on youtube!
Glad you like them!
I just want to take you to dinner and listen to you tell stories for hours... :) Thanks so much for making these.
Oh you'd get bored before long, trust me
PS - love your work brother... great videos correcting a lot of rubbish ideas about Scotland’s history
Comme le disais un célèbre poète de l’époque "L'Auld Alliance n'a pas été écrite sur un parchemin de peau de brebis mais gravée sur la peau d'homme, tracée non par l'encre mais par le sang" - Alain Chartier XVème Siècle ." 🇫🇷🏴
Oui, je l'ai entendu dire. Bienvenu😎
Brilliant Bruce. Very informative. I wonder if Bjorge Lillelien had some knowledge of historic Norwegian frustration with England when he made his famous rant in 1981. 😁
I think the list was long enough was it no?
Gosh..glad I chose Sweden and no Norway! Really interesting. What do Shetlanders know of this I wonder? I hope I can travel soon again. Cheers.
Wow you really are cool...u actually travel and learn to get the whole story. Nice job
Where possible I like to take folk someplace interesting and relevant and tell them a story in a way they've hopefully not heard before.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours thank you.
I forgot about the Norwegians. And it is hard to remember sometimes that boundaries were not clear and that there were many vested interests both sides of the channel. Most of the ruling powers were Norman and they had lands in England, France and anywhere else they could get their mitts on. However, it was Scotland after all that paid the piper. Because they offended an enemy on their doorstep and Edward's retribution (as you rightly say) was swift. It would have been a different matter to sail over to Norway and beard King Erik. So when you ask 'whose side' - well my response is pragmatic not cultural because I would never offend King Edward as he no doubt would rip my arms and legs off. Great posting, thank you. Are you doing a TV series?
Well I never. But surely, sticky toffee pudding will always win out over cheesecake, surely?
Defo
Lmfao, thank you for making me laugh, and yes, I have been somewhat slightly aware of Norway's sneaky involvement, almost as much as knowing that it was never really the "English" who invaded both Wales and Scotland despite almost a thousand years of blame for it to this very day, and that it was in fact the "Normans".
Look at it this way, the Normans invade England and take over the place, the English are the victims, the Normans turn to Wales and invade Wales "forcing" what's left of the English armies to go along with them, Wales blames the English not the Normans and yet who controlled England?
The Normans invade Wales and try to take over the place, the Welsh are the victims this time, the Normans turn to Scotland and invade Scotland "forcing" what's left of the English and Welsh armies to go along with them, Scotland blames the English not the Normans and the Welsh never get mentioned as they were just victims themselves, and yet who controlled England? Not the English for sure, no, they were also victims of the Normans too!
Anyway, many years later, a different age and a different dynasty, but all descended from the same bastard Normans, and England and Wales finally gain control of Scotland, and again the machine marches forth, this time to Ireland, and this time the descendants of those Norman bastards take what's left of the Scots armies along with them along with the Welsh and the English armies.
It is the same thing over again, this time though it is the Scots who are seen only as victims in this action, again the Welsh don't even get a mention, the Normans are long forgotten about (but it is still the same ruling families under different assumed names), and yes, again it is the English who were the original victims of the tyranny of the Normans who get the blame.
Next stop, "The World"! Yes you've guess it, the descendants of those pesky Normans have decided to expand their realms once more, conquering new lands in New Worlds and beyond, divided we fall, but together we stood, English, Irish, Scot and Welshmen alike, all under the one banner and all obeying the hierarchy that was the Aristocracy descended form those Normans.
And yes, the whole World wide blames the English, the Scots Welsh and Irish never get mentioned, and those twatting Normans are still and even longer forgotten about, nope, rule happens in London, London is England's realm, it is those fucking English cunts again, blame them. it's all their fault!
In fact, I shall agree, it is England's fault, it is England's fault that it all happened, and all because England lost on a green field somewhere near Hastings back in 1066AD, you can be sure that had England won under Harold Godwinson, none of those invasions would ever have happened, and all of our four home countries probably would have ended up united eventually in a more peaceful arrangement of marriage between our ruling monarchs and none of this would be an issue today, and the English wouldn't be seen as being bastards in the eyes of the Gaelic cuntries!
Totally agree with every single word you said there, I find it unbelievable that people seem to forget that England was conquered by the Normans and Williams descendants went on to invade the rest of the isles.
If the movies particularly Braveheart portrayed the kings of England in this period with French accents maybe people would start to realise that the English were the oppressed and not the oppressors.
But then again that would potentially make the French the bad guys and we both know that's not allowed to happen, gotta feed that anti English sentiment in Scotland and the rest of the world.
If you think about it the French stitched both the English and the Scots up because at the end of the day it was the squabbles of a French King of England and the King of France that set Scotland and England at loggerheads.
If people needed evidence of the Plantagenets true nationality look at the hundred years war, it was a French civil war that the French speaking kings of England waged for their lands in France but also to try and get the crown of a country they had more in common with.
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Absolutely! Now here's a man with a Welsh name speaking absolute 100% truth!
I on the other hand am 3rd generation English born of Irish decent myself, of my Great Great Great Grandparents four are Welsh and the rest are all Irish.
I can't blame the ordinary every day English people in the slightest, I can only look above them in the so called Mother of Modern Democracies class system and I know who to blame and where to point my finger, and they spoke French there then.
And where does the descriptor 'Norman' originate? Aye, them again! ;)
Very eloquently put. But I think it misses the point.
It isn't the Anglo-Saxons that are "hated" when talking about English oppression and hardship (who were themselves descended from immigrats). It was those that ruled and occupied that land called England - the Normans.
So as factual and passionate as your comment is, it still doesn't really change anything. It's still the same people that were the target of ire over the centuries (Normans under the name of English)
Just like how one could argue it wasn't the "native" Scottish people who were oppressed, but the peoples who settled there from other countries and just called themselves Scottish (vikings and others settled there long after the Picts were wiped out - and long before "England" invaded)
So it becomes a rather circular argument. There are rarely any "native" Britons on the island when these events take place, let alone now; but do we split hairs today about whether we're English or Irish genetically? Or do we simply take the nationality of the land we were born in?
By your reckoning I would be something between a viking and a prussian. But I was born in Britain, as were many more generations before me, so guess what my nationality would be if I invaded your land....
Too True!
Hillarious Dude :) I would like to buy you that coffee in person.... it would be my pleasure.... :)
I learnt new stuff from this, I am mostly Scottish but live in England (not all English are so bad lol)
Not all anyone so bad
I knew about the Norwegian portion... watched the video just to see if you mentioned it 'cuz if you didn't I was going to.
This video was a mindf**k! Imagine the land of Magnus Barelegs playing three other countries like a Thunderbirds puppet! What’s Norwegian for sleekit? 🏴🏴🇫🇷🇳🇴.
Whatever the politics, I have always felt very welcome in France, to the extent that an auld French couple put me up for the night when I was cycling there and couldnae fun a hotel. The old boy (Michele) nearly pulled my arm out of its socket when he found out that I was Scottish, and shook my hand.
Love your work, thank you! But if he did not have children, how did he have a grand daughter?
Sorry, I should have said 'surviving children' Alexander had children, but they didn't survive him. His daughter married the then prince of Norway, but pre-deceased him and her father Alexander. I think I also said 1296 instead of 1286 on that film, but was home in Perthshire doing the edit before I realised the mistake. Apologies.
He had two sons and a daughter, Margareth. She was married off to Eirik of Norway(he was 13(!!) and she was 20(!)) She died in childbirth two years later. Her brothers were both dead by 1286 when their dad, Alexander III decided a night time ride was a good idea.....
Binge watching yer stuff Bruce, quick question what are you saying at the end of the video? Gaelic?
Get the translation in the shop at www.scotlandhistorytours.co.uk/shop in product pages even if you don't buy
10:40 Laughing my arse off!
HOWEVER! It blew my mind too! Thought I was. student of history? Stood my thinking up-side-down! Should be history newly examined. How did this happen? Tell me a story - Well Done ✔! PS - Alexander III last Celtic king of Scotland by upbringing - Meg of Norway tragic loss to history!
Surely the oldest alliance still in existence is the one between England and Portugal?
Pretty sure it is
1295 is one year AFTER the England/Portugal alliance was started.
I know the debate of which you speak and went with formal treaty rather than alliance
The difference is, you COULD always choose both puds, it's just inadvisable.
hi Bruce, I am a Scottish stand up comedian, i am currently on road trip and staying Bailleul "the town" where john family was from. I live in Norway in Bergen. so this was hilarious to hear while sitting in france before i head back to Norway. I live in Bergen in Norway. the door is always open for you mate, if you ever want to video over here, happily put you up, feel free to message me. :)
Reading about Norway just now prepping the upcoming video about the Shetland bus
I'm sure you've read it, but if not, this involvement of Norway sounds like a continuation of The Orkneyinga Saga - The History of the Earls of Orkney (circa 1200, translated by Hermann Palsson & Paul Edwards)
Darn Pirates!
Great video as always, but wasn't Nobel Swedish, and the prize given by the Swedish Academy?
Aye, but the rant was good anyway
@@ScotlandHistoryTours it looked good. Carry on!
10:20 so this is where I get my insult hurling. The funny thing is, after throwing 12 insults in 1 breath, they're not even mad 😂😂😂. I'm gonna call this my "scottish charm"
I want to know more about the "Clearings " my family left Scotland in the 1800's I live in Canada 🇨🇦 now
th-cam.com/video/EUfgQv8QCtc/w-d-xo.html
Listing accomplishments and making them sound like insults must be a scottish talent 😂 excellent video. Could never quite wrap ma heid around that bit of history. Still a bit confused tbh!
Ah've got mair th-cam.com/video/ROG4bQz2yaw/w-d-xo.html
Once again Scotland doing what its good at picking the loosing side they have a cannae knack for this always let there heart's rule there head. And I speak as one.
I've seen an auld alliance enamel badge for my bunnet !
Do you know where I can get one ?
Sorry
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Do 1263 battle of Largs
Strong ending :D And the answer is always sticky toffee pudding. Cheesecake can't compete, as long as there's custard.
Cream and Ice cream mate!
cheese cake and sticky toffee pudding :) lol
The thing that stood out to me when I read about the alliance was that the Scots were required to go to war with England whenever England and France went to war, whoever started it, but France was under no obligation to go to war with England should England and Scotland go to war with each other.
Aye😬
Im curious to your thoughts regarding one subject? Do you think France did not hold up their end of the bargain in supplying aid and troops in the third jacobite rising? Thanks
The thing is that our wee Jacobite counter revolution was only a tiny part of a global struggle between the great powers. For the French it was just a way to keep Hanovarian troops distracted. They sent the money and troops that they thought justified that. From their point of view why waste more.
Also the Jacobite conflict wasn't Scotland v England, and (irrespective of the rights or wrongs of it) Scotland had ceased to be a state by then. Seems to me that the Stuarts weren't fighting for Scotland, Scotland (as a whole) wasn't fighting for The Stuarts, France wasn't fighting for either and everyone was looking after their own interests as they saw them. Not much changed eh?
@@ScotlandHistoryTours you’ll know far far far more about Scottish history from what I will. I’ve done some casual research in my spare time as a hobby. What you’ve put is entirely true, one wee thing I’ve found as an addition is what’s thought that highland Scots may have fought for the Stewart’s for more of a dislike of the act of Union rather than an absolute desire to restore a catholic monarch. If this is accurate, alongside Charles promises of abolishing the Union it could be a shame that he didn’t stop his campaign after taking Scotland or maybe if it had worked out after the false info that stoped the advance to London. Either way bonnie Prince Charlie would have been a rubbish king but could have been a means to an end for the highlanders and nationalist lowlanders.
Big fan of your videos as I’ve only just discovered some over lockdown. Cheers !
Your description of the historic Norwegians... Well, I have not laughed that hard in a while.
Thank you.
(Edit. [Censored] auto-spell)
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Ok I just happen to be a NORWEGIAN and I am not a backstabber and not an oily fish eater ( little bit of a lie ) ! This is really good actually because I am a mixed up American with French, Norwegian, Scottish and English ancestry.
Sounds like you're to blame for everything😜
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Yes, I probably am. :) Simply.
Does it take all that to say "have a nice day?"
This is absurdly proffesional
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There was no such thing as the body politic of ordinary folk, only the interplay of rich (Norman) men’s assets. The Norman families who started to arrive after 1124 with David 1st had only been in Scotland for 170 years by the time of these events. They wanted to protect the land holdings they had. After 1314, Robert the Bruce forced all Scottish nobles to relinquish titles in the south, in teh Breaking of Britain. That helped form a unique Scottish nobility, however, even that didn’t last. What broke the Auld Alliance was the truly democratic voice of the people following the reformation when Mary of Guise’s French “support” garrisoned out at Petty France near EH, started to look more like an Occupation Force than a “help” from a friendly country. Cardinal Beaton and Marie de Guise were trying to impose Catholic power in an increasingly Protestant country where grass-roots voices started to prefer to be protected by Protestant England than Catholic Frenchmen. We know that Mary Stuart had signed away Scottish independence to France when she married Francis 2nd in Paris, and France stood to “inherit” Scotland if she died without issue. Thankfully, it was the King of France who died first and Mary returned to a now Protestant country. Both the English and the French soldiers departed and we got to fight a amangst oorsels for a wee bit. A few years later the poor Protestants of France were slaughtered in the genocide of St Bartholomew’s day in 1572. That may have been the fate of Scotland too had we been pairt o France also....
In fairness to Edward he had no choice. He was going to outnumber and outflanked.
Now that I did not know! I won't look at the Norwegians the same again.
To be fair I don't think any of them are still alive 😁
Now, if you read/studied asterix, you would be well aware of the viking/french connection and so realise that the "normans" were actually "northman".
That the english royalty were not english speaking was always excused as french being an elegant tongue for the upper crust whereas speaking english was for peasants.
Wasn't just that, french was the "house language"...for many many years.
We're lucky its not german these days...
But really, tell us how you feel.😁😁😁😁😅🤣😂🙂😉🥰
No way I way born in Montpellier but moved to girvan in Ayrshire when I was 12 that's crazy.
What flavor cheesecake?🤔
Mind-blowing! That Maid of Norway has a lot to answer for. And @ £12 a pint her descendants are maybe getting there money back.
Was The Maid serving the drink?
I’m going to nit pick; Alexander dies in 1286. 1266 was 3 years after the Battle of Largs. Just a wee detail for future reference. So much information there. Again showing our links to Europe . We’re the issues between us and Norway resolved by the time Of James vl marriage to Anne of Denmark some 400 years later?
Keep up the good work.
Aye, Treaty of Perth 1266. I'm not sure what I said as it was edited a wee while ago. Apologies if I've misled folk.
No worries. Just wanted to give you a heads up for future. We all have these Freudian slips. . Just make sure you don’t have us fighting the Battle of Hastings on the English side😜😜😃. Just keep the info coming please🏴
Haud oan, which side were we on then? Don't worry I knew when Alexander died, jeez.it had quite an impact, but I sm embarrassed if I misquoted
That's right I think I've heard of the treaty of perth.
Is this where the Oliphants, Scrimgeour and Farquharsons are from?
guess i should keep it to myself whenever i visit scotland that im Norwegian then xD
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Is that why we look at norway like the dog the wet the carpet?
We call him Ivaar the Incontinent
@@ScotlandHistoryTours 🤣🤣🤣 great!
@@ScotlandHistoryTours so I have a question....during exile, british parliament (?) changed the foriegn policy in support of Spain to france..... looking at the genealogy of the stuarts they marry spanish catholic... how did spain react to the exiles and change of foriegn policy?
Thank you.
Sorry, my wife has just pointed out your question. Wasn't that what led to the 1719 Spanish/Jacobite landing/uprising and ultimately the Battle of Glensheil?
£7 a pint charging 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Cheeky bastards
Dont look at me, i’m Swedish. 🤣
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