Thank you for another great video. Clint Smith has some great information on this. Especially because people today think they invented appendix. They had holsters from the 1800’s that were AIWB.
I'm a 9:30 carrier and all good points. Only thing I add is that I sometimes will take the holster (a kydex one) off my belt, holster the weapon then return holster and weapon to my belt. It feels like I minimize the cord, shirt, etc. from getting stuck in the holster.
I started concealed carrying in 2008, I've always carried @3- 3:30. I've been trying to carry appendix off and on lately using different holsters with wings n wedges but what it always boils down to is as you guys said appendix carry lends itself more towards carrying smaller pistols and there are some great ones out there nowadays like your cr920, sig 365, etc but I have always felt more comfortable carrying a midsized to full sized gun and so far thats just not been comfortable at all trying to carry appendix with my mr920 elite, 1911, or anything in that size range. So its either I drop down to the cr920 size or I keep carrying at 3-3:30 so I can carry the larger pistols Im more comfortable with. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@mtnbound2764 I actually ended up putting a cr920 on layaway. Should have it in a couple of months. My brother bought one and it shoots great especially for it's size.
I’ve started carrying AIWB since I lost a bunch of weight (86 lbs so far!) and found it to be quite comfortable and concealable. It’s also very fast (faster than 3:00-3:30). The weight loss is also why I don’t carry at 3:00…without all the extra padding, IWB at 3:00 the gun/holster rides directly on my hip bone, causing serious discomfort, if not outright pain. Plus, as I get older, and arthritis becomes a factor, it’s easier to draw from appendix than torquing my shoulder to draw from the 3:00 position.
Couple things I think weren't mentioned (or if they were I missed them so apologies): From an external security standpoint AIWB (from here on "12") is more defensible. If someone notices I'm carrying because of printing or whatever, it's much easier to be disarmed from behind than from the front. In theory someone could sneak up behind me and get my pistol from 3 o'clock (from here on "3"), where as from 12 they'd either be a lot more noticeable in the process of trying to reach around me or they'd have to confront me face to face. It's also easier to draw from if I'm on the ground. I can be on my back or on either side and still get to a gun at 12, on your back or on your right side getting to 3 is a lot harder. It's much easier to see and verify the holster is empty with 12, and you can more readily use your off-hand to help clear the holster. At 3 it's harder to see and harder to get your other hand over to assist. And at least for me in training I had a tendency to "fish" for the holster with the muzzle of my gun when trying to carry 3. 3 might put you at less risk of injury with a ND, but it also seems a lot more likely that you could ND since you're basically limited to the one hand handling everything. With 12 a ND might be catastrophic, but it'll be much more difficult to do. But, major plus to 3, it's a much more natural draw since OWB is typically strong side like that. So all the training you do with a full-size almost directly translates to drawing from concealment. People are generally probably faster drawing from 3 than from 12. And something specific to me, when riding a sport motorcycle I'm WAY more likely to print/expose a weapon at 3 than I am at 12, so concealment on a bike is pretty much 12 or nothing. I also think 12 is better in a car, there's less in the way, especially if you pull your shirt up and over the lap belt. But as with anything, the best method is the one you TRAIN.
Any chance y’all could make a video on your “clearing barrels” for inquiring minds? I have a bookshelf full of thick books for my clearing and initial dry fire shot(s), but am curious about your barrels, thanks!
I carry MR920L with comp in a leather Desantis holster owb. I have a belly and appendix is out out of question. I have oversized my shirts and if i do have a tight shirt i carry 2 button down fishing shirts in my truck that conceal it. By the way I love shooting this gun, I have a little over a thousand rounds through it and no hiccups out of it. Keep up good work making quality handguns
I think you are both right. It comes down to personal preference and the reason why you carry. A huge one for me is when I carry concealed, I want my weapon to be concealed without trickery or contortions. This for me, is appendix carry. But then my personal sensitivities come from living most of my life in New York City and fighting criminals for 20 years. I want my weapon always under my control and easily defended. Any other place is vulnerable to attack in my humble opinion. If you live anywhere other than the Peoples Republic of New York, maybe this is not something you have to worry about. Then "comfort" rules, and everything else is secondary. Again, this is me in my world. If I carry anywhere from 3 to 6, I will always worry about some mutt eyeballing my gun. Even though I moved to the Free State of Florida, old habits are hard to break. I still carry appendix.
Aiwb is tactically the only way IMO. Say you get layed out on your back or strong side. Now think about drawing and retaining your firearm. I also carry a MR920 with the comp and a TLR7 in this position everyday. Just need the right holster.
An appendix holster is easier to visually inspect. Additionally, I can put a Striker Control Device on a standard Glock. Unfortunately, they're not compatible with Shadow Systems though, which is the main reason I didn't get the MR920...
I think one of the issues that can arise with the 3 o’clock position is some people get lulled into thinking it’s safer so they don’t practice or aren’t as diligent about safe holstering and clearing their holster.
Funny this video came up. I tried out a 330 carry position for the 1st time today. Concealed well for me and the draw is a little slower. But the main thing I didn't like was how hard it is to put on and reholster. I'd need a very good situation to use side over appendix.
I carry an XR high on my belly using a second belt. With it that high, I have two advantages: I have enough of a belly that the muzzle points a couple of inches in front of my feet when I'm standing and between my legs when I'm sitting, and I'm also not cramped when I sit as I would be if the gun was on my waist.
@@Hellgrinde I wear a t-shirt and an open button-up. I use a typical web-style belt for both pants and holster. It prints a little bit without the over shirt, but only if you are looking for it.
@@KravMagoo gotcha, i do the same with the two shirts. Works well for me, but i can only carry appendix and not print. We make it work however we can dont we? 👍
Location of carry is personal. Unholstering is a time essential & circumstance dependent act. Smooth and efficient to perceived threat(s) is preferred. Reholstering is a deliberate & effective act. Clear potential obstructions and ensure handgun returns to its home after threats have been neutralized or vacated the respective area.
Appendix sounded crazy to me 5 years ago, now its just normal. I train and do cardio, hiking, literally everything with a T Rex Arms Sidecar 1.0. The MR920 is the perfect gun for edc. I love my DR920 and Sig P320 but you can't beat the bang for buck with the MR.
I have seen videos of people shoot them selves in the leg with 3 oclock. Finger off the trigger, good holster, LOOK when you put your gun in the holster. I think it easier to look apendix holster then 3 oclock, especially the bigger your gut gets. I am thin.
A tip for holstering carrying appendix, while standing lean back like he said, squeeze you butt cheeks and point your hips outwards and holster. Do this till it becomes muscle memory.
Any suggestions on how to fix my CR920? It’s brand new and stovepipes constantly. My CZP07 never stove piped in my 2 years of owning it. Ended up trading my CZ for the ShadowCR920 because it’s way easier to conceal. I’m regretting it at the moment.
1. Don’t use aluminum cased ammo or blazer. I found it less powerful 2. Break in with 124 grain loads. By 400 rounds it was fine. 3. Over lube it at first. I used grease on the rails. It’s just a well put together tight handgun. My 1911 was the same. It needed to break in.
Appendix , have bad shoulders and my mobility it's not the best, also waiting for a CR920X 15 rounds and a plus 3 so i don't have to get a X Macro or a Hellcat pro.
I can carry a much bigger gun appendix than at 3 oclock. Neither would I consider comfortable. My love handles are quite a bit bigger than my pecs. Reality sucks.
i dont think ill ever feel truly comfortable with appendix carry, that said, i do it often over strong side as its just soo much more concealable and i have seen too many videos of someones 3-4 oclock gun being taken from them.
I carry a p320 fullsize (4.7") with a TLR-1HL AIWB. Even as a joke, I've carried my FNX45 tactical AIWB concealed no problem. So I don't see how you can carry a larger firearm at 3 o'clock considering I can carry and conceal just about the biggest guns AWIB
Is it true under a high stress situation gun owners could fumble taking out a micro pistol with one inch grip compared to a Glock 26 with a bulkier grip?
Hard to say! It sounds like the area to invest and experiment is with holsters. Do you know people who have other holsters you could try? Also, a quality stiff belt can really help keep the gun supported and may put it at a different angle. Wish I could be more help. It all comes down to trial and error I am afraid. Trevor
i've tried multiple guns, holsters, wedges, etc and have never been able to carry appendix comfortably or without printing like crazy. i do have that dad bod goin on (i still workout 6 days a week, but i also eat what i want). SO...i carry 3 o'clock. honestly thought i was weird to carry 3 o'clock IWB cause i figured everyone was either doing appendix or 4 oclock/back hip area.
Just a thought here ... ditch the plastic toy and get metal gun in DA/SA. SIG or CZ. Kinda solves your appendix carry issues. Oh but two trigger pulls the horror of it!! How ever can you be proficient???
1st, you have to have a reliably safe gun from a reputable manufacturer that you didn't make unsafe with some misguided, at-home gunsmithing. 2nd, you have to invest in a quality, hard-sided holster that's made for your gun. If those 2 things are true, then the only factor to consider is your holstering technique. We trick ourselves into thinking that strong side is safer becaus the boyz aren't involved, but the fact is that bad holstering technique is dangerous at 3 and 4 o'clock too. People point their guns right into their groins at these positions if they aren't carful. In fact, you could argue that people might get a false sense of security when they carry strong side, making it more dangerous. The moral is learn to holster safely no matter where you carry.
The worst customer service. I fill out info on web-sight wait get email and then nothing. Great gun but bad customer service. I call and they just send me back to web sight and never get real help!
After preaching about never pointing the gun at anything except the ground and he then proceeds at 1:15 to point the gun at himself while being focused on the camera, not the gun. Just shows how difficult it is to not break safety rules.
If you need to watch this video to better decide how to carry then you're in trouble. it really won't matter. You should know how to carry pretty much as well as how to form good carrying/drawing techniques that you best like if you took and passed any decent gun safety course. If you have the work ethic to put more rounds down the range and get good practice, you would not be in the category of gun owners who need TH-cam crash courses on minuscule things that you should be able to figure out by yourself. Reflect on yourselves.
I carry a XR920 size gun with a TLR-HL attached AIWB every day using a simple (quality) kydex IWB holster with a very sturdy steel clip (on par with a DCC). I'm not a small guy, so I have no issues. I do concede a CR920 sized gun would obviously be easier.
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I have lower back problem and sciatic nerve problems. The appendix carry is the most comfortable for me.
Great video. Loved both points of view. I always appreciate new and different safety tips.
Thanks
Agreed. Both have pros & cons. I usually carry strong side, when working out in my feild or yard. Appendix when I'm away from my home.
Keeping the slide separate from the frame will be the next s t u p I d law passed 🤦🏽♂️ 😂
Are we not allowed to say “stupid” on YT now?
Next stupid law disobeyed you mean?
Great video!
3 o'clock for me.
Do what works best for yourself!
Don’t use cheap sloppy holsters regardless of the method of carry.
Thank you for another great video. Clint Smith has some great information on this. Especially because people today think they invented appendix. They had holsters from the 1800’s that were AIWB.
I carry both ways and usually depends on what I am doing and where I am going.
I'm a 9:30 carrier and all good points. Only thing I add is that I sometimes will take the holster (a kydex one) off my belt, holster the weapon then return holster and weapon to my belt. It feels like I minimize the cord, shirt, etc. from getting stuck in the holster.
i agree, the trigger is protected the whole time. i sometimes do this with appendix iwb, esp if i have to reholster while sitting( in a car)
Fairest talk I’ve seen on this.
I started concealed carrying in 2008, I've always carried @3- 3:30. I've been trying to carry appendix off and on lately using different holsters with wings n wedges but what it always boils down to is as you guys said appendix carry lends itself more towards carrying smaller pistols and there are some great ones out there nowadays like your cr920, sig 365, etc but I have always felt more comfortable carrying a midsized to full sized gun and so far thats just not been comfortable at all trying to carry appendix with my mr920 elite, 1911, or anything in that size range. So its either I drop down to the cr920 size or I keep carrying at 3-3:30 so I can carry the larger pistols Im more comfortable with. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Same.
you could try getting more comfortable with smaller guns, just takes practice like anything.
@mtnbound2764 I actually ended up putting a cr920 on layaway. Should have it in a couple of months. My brother bought one and it shoots great especially for it's size.
I’ve started carrying AIWB since I lost a bunch of weight (86 lbs so far!) and found it to be quite comfortable and concealable. It’s also very fast (faster than 3:00-3:30). The weight loss is also why I don’t carry at 3:00…without all the extra padding, IWB at 3:00 the gun/holster rides directly on my hip bone, causing serious discomfort, if not outright pain. Plus, as I get older, and arthritis becomes a factor, it’s easier to draw from appendix than torquing my shoulder to draw from the 3:00 position.
I have the MR920 Elite with Holosun 507C , a TLR7-A and also compensator. What holsters fit?
There is simply no way i could conceal in any other position other that appendix.
Couple things I think weren't mentioned (or if they were I missed them so apologies):
From an external security standpoint AIWB (from here on "12") is more defensible. If someone notices I'm carrying because of printing or whatever, it's much easier to be disarmed from behind than from the front. In theory someone could sneak up behind me and get my pistol from 3 o'clock (from here on "3"), where as from 12 they'd either be a lot more noticeable in the process of trying to reach around me or they'd have to confront me face to face. It's also easier to draw from if I'm on the ground. I can be on my back or on either side and still get to a gun at 12, on your back or on your right side getting to 3 is a lot harder.
It's much easier to see and verify the holster is empty with 12, and you can more readily use your off-hand to help clear the holster. At 3 it's harder to see and harder to get your other hand over to assist. And at least for me in training I had a tendency to "fish" for the holster with the muzzle of my gun when trying to carry 3.
3 might put you at less risk of injury with a ND, but it also seems a lot more likely that you could ND since you're basically limited to the one hand handling everything.
With 12 a ND might be catastrophic, but it'll be much more difficult to do.
But, major plus to 3, it's a much more natural draw since OWB is typically strong side like that. So all the training you do with a full-size almost directly translates to drawing from concealment. People are generally probably faster drawing from 3 than from 12.
And something specific to me, when riding a sport motorcycle I'm WAY more likely to print/expose a weapon at 3 than I am at 12, so concealment on a bike is pretty much 12 or nothing. I also think 12 is better in a car, there's less in the way, especially if you pull your shirt up and over the lap belt.
But as with anything, the best method is the one you TRAIN.
Any chance y’all could make a video on your “clearing barrels” for inquiring minds? I have a bookshelf full of thick books for my clearing and initial dry fire shot(s), but am curious about your barrels, thanks!
lol wut
I carry MR920L with comp in a leather Desantis holster owb. I have a belly and appendix is out out of question. I have oversized my shirts and if i do have a tight shirt i carry 2 button down fishing shirts in my truck that conceal it. By the way I love shooting this gun, I have a little over a thousand rounds through it and no hiccups out of it. Keep up good work making quality handguns
I think you are both right. It comes down to personal preference and the reason why you carry. A huge one for me is when I carry concealed, I want my weapon to be concealed without trickery or contortions. This for me, is appendix carry. But then my personal sensitivities come from living most of my life in New York City and fighting criminals for 20 years. I want my weapon always under my control and easily defended. Any other place is vulnerable to attack in my humble opinion. If you live anywhere other than the Peoples Republic of New York, maybe this is not something you have to worry about. Then "comfort" rules, and everything else is secondary. Again, this is me in my world. If I carry anywhere from 3 to 6, I will always worry about some mutt eyeballing my gun. Even though I moved to the Free State of Florida, old habits are hard to break. I still carry appendix.
Aiwb is tactically the only way IMO. Say you get layed out on your back or strong side. Now think about drawing and retaining your firearm.
I also carry a MR920 with the comp and a TLR7 in this position everyday. Just need the right holster.
An appendix holster is easier to visually inspect. Additionally, I can put a Striker Control Device on a standard Glock. Unfortunately, they're not compatible with Shadow Systems though, which is the main reason I didn't get the MR920...
I carry @ 3. Went out and shot my MR920 Combat today and it always reminds me of why I carry it. Where do I get that gray frame gun!??
I think one of the issues that can arise with the 3 o’clock position is some people get lulled into thinking it’s safer so they don’t practice or aren’t as diligent about safe holstering and clearing their holster.
Funny this video came up. I tried out a 330 carry position for the 1st time today. Concealed well for me and the draw is a little slower. But the main thing I didn't like was how hard it is to put on and reholster. I'd need a very good situation to use side over appendix.
i just think 3-4 is more comfy. if im in an urban setting its AIWB, but if im out in the country or on my property, 3-4 all day long.
Biggest problem people say with appendix “you’ll shoot your Peter off”.
I don't have a Peter lol😮
I carry an XR high on my belly using a second belt. With it that high, I have two advantages: I have enough of a belly that the muzzle points a couple of inches in front of my feet when I'm standing and between my legs when I'm sitting, and I'm also not cramped when I sit as I would be if the gun was on my waist.
Interesting, and it doesnt print being that high on you?
@@Hellgrinde I wear a t-shirt and an open button-up. I use a typical web-style belt for both pants and holster. It prints a little bit without the over shirt, but only if you are looking for it.
@@KravMagoo gotcha, i do the same with the two shirts. Works well for me, but i can only carry appendix and not print. We make it work however we can dont we? 👍
Trevor is hilarious… and usually correct when he speaks
Location of carry is personal.
Unholstering is a time essential & circumstance dependent act. Smooth and efficient to perceived threat(s) is preferred.
Reholstering is a deliberate & effective act. Clear potential obstructions and ensure handgun returns to its home after threats have been neutralized or vacated the respective area.
You guys are annoying and I love it...married couple. Love these videos! Love shadow systems have a Cr920P also a Xr920 now time for the DR920!
Thinking about buying that cr920p is it worth 900 dollars?
@@ashtonb.2001 well worth the money!
@@jeffreyurteaga5194 thank you I’m sold. That will be my next purchase, everyone else I’ve seen that owns one says the same.
Appendix sounded crazy to me 5 years ago, now its just normal. I train and do cardio, hiking, literally everything with a T Rex Arms Sidecar 1.0. The MR920 is the perfect gun for edc. I love my DR920 and Sig P320 but you can't beat the bang for buck with the MR.
Appendix is great when your standing up.
Hey, I can stop spamming you all every Tuesday cause I just got my CR920P and it is pretty awesome.
I have seen videos of people shoot them selves in the leg with 3 oclock. Finger off the trigger, good holster, LOOK when you put your gun in the holster. I think it easier to look apendix holster then 3 oclock, especially the bigger your gut gets. I am thin.
Maybe a discussion of SCD support for shadow systems pistols would be appropriate?
A tip for holstering carrying appendix, while standing lean back like he said, squeeze you butt cheeks and point your hips outwards and holster. Do this till it becomes muscle memory.
I am still finding it difficult to conceal my firearm at the 3-3:30 position. I carry a Glock 43X (non-mos) BTW
I agree there are two sides to this debate. Those who carry appendix, and those who carry incorrectly.
Any suggestions on how to fix my CR920? It’s brand new and stovepipes constantly. My CZP07 never stove piped in my 2 years of owning it. Ended up trading my CZ for the ShadowCR920 because it’s way easier to conceal. I’m regretting it at the moment.
1. Don’t use aluminum cased ammo or blazer. I found it less powerful
2. Break in with 124 grain loads. By 400 rounds it was fine.
3. Over lube it at first. I used grease on the rails.
It’s just a well put together tight handgun. My 1911 was the same. It needed to break in.
Appendix , have bad shoulders and my mobility it's not the best, also waiting for a CR920X 15 rounds and a plus 3 so i don't have to get a X Macro or a Hellcat pro.
I can carry a much bigger gun appendix than at 3 oclock. Neither would I consider comfortable. My love handles are quite a bit bigger than my pecs. Reality sucks.
i dont think ill ever feel truly comfortable with appendix carry, that said, i do it often over strong side as its just soo much more concealable and i have seen too many videos of someones 3-4 oclock gun being taken from them.
CR920P at 330 OWB with tight fitting holster Deep concealed if I must its appendix.
I carry a p320 fullsize (4.7") with a TLR-1HL AIWB. Even as a joke, I've carried my FNX45 tactical AIWB concealed no problem. So I don't see how you can carry a larger firearm at 3 o'clock considering I can carry and conceal just about the biggest guns AWIB
Is it true under a high stress situation gun owners could fumble taking out a micro pistol with one inch grip compared to a Glock 26 with a bulkier grip?
I carry appendix. I’m skinny so it’s the only place that’s ever felt comfortable. Does my wiener like it? No but I make him deal with it anyway 😂
im 5ft 2 124 lbs. im not sure where to carry. 3 o clock makes my p365 at a weird angle to get to. any ideas?
Hard to say! It sounds like the area to invest and experiment is with holsters. Do you know people who have other holsters you could try? Also, a quality stiff belt can really help keep the gun supported and may put it at a different angle. Wish I could be more help. It all comes down to trial and error I am afraid. Trevor
@ShadowSystemsCorp thank you Trevor. Appreciate it
3 o'clock OWB. 30 years as a LEO, that is comfortable for ME.
Appendix for sure
i've tried multiple guns, holsters, wedges, etc and have never been able to carry appendix comfortably or without printing like crazy. i do have that dad bod goin on (i still workout 6 days a week, but i also eat what i want). SO...i carry 3 o'clock. honestly thought i was weird to carry 3 o'clock IWB cause i figured everyone was either doing appendix or 4 oclock/back hip area.
Never be in a hurry to holster, if your re-holstering that means there should no longer be a threat. Take your time.
Clean shaven
3 oclock carry
Iron sights
I think trevor might be a fed
Not just standing in line, Trevor, but also standing at a urinal, makes me nervous when carrying at 3-3:30.
Just a thought here ... ditch the plastic toy and get metal gun in DA/SA. SIG or CZ. Kinda solves your appendix carry issues. Oh but two trigger pulls the horror of it!! How ever can you be proficient???
I’m a bigger guy who wears big black tshirts so I get to be comfortable too.
1st, you have to have a reliably safe gun from a reputable manufacturer that you didn't make unsafe with some misguided, at-home gunsmithing.
2nd, you have to invest in a quality, hard-sided holster that's made for your gun.
If those 2 things are true, then the only factor to consider is your holstering technique.
We trick ourselves into thinking that strong side is safer becaus the boyz aren't involved, but the fact is that bad holstering technique is dangerous at 3 and 4 o'clock too. People point their guns right into their groins at these positions if they aren't carful. In fact, you could argue that people might get a false sense of security when they carry strong side, making it more dangerous.
The moral is learn to holster safely no matter where you carry.
Still no 10mm.............................
3 o’clock for me
Ummm carry a bigger gun on 3? No sir I carry a 1911 appendix 😅
I do 90% appendix.
I only do 3/4 o’clock when I have to dress up.
Appendix.
Pro for 3 oclock position- riding in a vehicle better access?
The worst customer service. I fill out info on web-sight wait get email and then nothing. Great gun but bad customer service.
I call and they just send me back to web sight and never get real help!
I like 1 or 2 o’clock.
After preaching about never pointing the gun at anything except the ground and he then proceeds at 1:15 to point the gun at himself while being focused on the camera, not the gun. Just shows how difficult it is to not break safety rules.
Women’s concealed carry is so different - try holstering with boobs in the way! Curious on your thoughts about that!
Carry a gun with external safety ie 1911.
I carry 3 guns at 10 2 4 with a Dr Pepper!
All I know is your gun is not going to shoot my Di^K off in the holster. Something to think about these days if you Appendix carry. Too soon?
😂😂😂that sounds like the crap they would like us to do in MD. Slide separate from frame......
Appendix is sooo uncomfortable,i dont see how anyone says its not,unless you are skin and bones!
T.REX SIDECAR ALL DAY
If you need to watch this video to better decide how to carry then you're in trouble. it really won't matter. You should know how to carry pretty much as well as how to form good carrying/drawing techniques that you best like if you took and passed any decent gun safety course. If you have the work ethic to put more rounds down the range and get good practice, you would not be in the category of gun owners who need TH-cam crash courses on minuscule things that you should be able to figure out by yourself. Reflect on yourselves.
3 o'clock because I'm chubby 😅
it's just a cool saying! totally, the gun community just gets way too much into dogma and bullshit sayings
Never listen the advice of someone that starts his explanation with "more faster" 😂
Why is this video's volume so dang low?????
It might be on your end it sounds normal to me
I carry a XR920 size gun with a TLR-HL attached AIWB every day using a simple (quality) kydex IWB holster with a very sturdy steel clip (on par with a DCC).
I'm not a small guy, so I have no issues.
I do concede a CR920 sized gun would obviously be easier.