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They are solid Americans, preeminent industry experts, yet humble and genuine. I, too, very much enjoy watching their content, and I look forward to one day purchasing their products.
This has been one the best and most balanced presentations on this highly debated topic. Great job, Mr. Ayoob. Thank you very much. I carry strong arm OWB because of training and simply years of duty and CCW. Basically, habit.
I agree, I'm 52 & a ccw user, licensed G armed officer 👮🏼♂️. I don't feel A-IWB carry is best but can see why newer, younger thin guys, gals. I'm left handed & used OWB for around 25+ years.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I'm new to concealed carry and I'm slowly working up the courage and confidence to appendix carry. The gun pointed at my balls all day really makes me nervous lmao ; P
@@randalthor6872 I carry AIWB, my gun isn't "pointed at my balls", the barrel points just outside the balls, when I sit, the end of the barrel points between the scrotum and inner thigh. I've got some pretty serious low back issues and appendix carry is the most comfortable method I've found. I carry an IWI Masada Tactical (4.6" barrel, 17+1 capacity) and I find AIWB to be very comfortable. Just use a quality holster and never get in a hurry to holster the weapon, always check to make sure the holster is clear, watch the gun go in and make sure no loose straps or clothing went in with it. Once properly holstered, the gun is as safe as it can be, if it's pointed at your balls it makes no difference, it won't go off on its own out of the blue. The 'accidents' (negligent discharges) occur during holstering or drawing. Do those two things properly and AIWB is just as safe as any other carry method. Of course, no matter which way you decide to carry, you should still strive to always do those two things properly and safely. Try several carry methods, see which you find best for concealment, comfort and access. AIWB is my preferred method and most people I know who tried it stuck with it.
I think its the best way period anyways but I don't like walking around with an exposed OWB gun. It makes people feel very uncomfortable unless you're a cop and I'm not trying to make other people afraid or feel unsafe.
One thing he didn't mention is that with AIWB you always have a visual on the status of the gun. When I carry 4 o'clock I have to physically check with my hand to make sure its still concealed correctly or is printing. If my shirt is riding up or whatever. When in appendix, I always know what's going on, and I am the only one who can get to it.
If you use the right holster, where the weapon is completely tucked in, no one will know you are packing...ergo you have all the time necessary to retrieve it and defnd yourself, your partner or others! One should ALWAYS carry in the same location, so as to NOT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE GAT IS! It may save your life. It did mine...NYPD RET.
Was a 3-4 o’clock carrier for a couple decades, but with some of the newer technology, switched over to appendix carry about 3 years ago and haven’t looked back since, mainly for the retention. As a guy, the place I notice the greatest improvement in feeling secure is when standing at a urinal - both hands in front are still guarding my firearm, whereas side-carry always left me feeling much more vulnerable since both hands were in front of me.
Im a woman. With a large chest. I'm having a hard time deciding where to carry. I'm have a lil squish, beer belly. I think appendix carry is what is best for me. I'm still trying to sort it out. Thanks WC. I love the context. As always.
I appendix carry every day. I did however opt for a p365 with the manual safety due to what I perceived was a trigger weight a little light for concealed carry. I've trained that manual safety into every draw and always have one in the pipe.
One day I'm watching one of his old videos, back when political correctness wasn't a thing and he just shouts "in America if you suck a c**k once you're a c*k sucker forever!" I just bursted with laughter
Thanks so much. I'm 73 and have been carrying strong side OWB so long that I truthfully just don't want to change. I really look forward to all of your videos.
Yes. The shoulders back and watching the gun holstering is the way. You should have time for this whether at the range or after an incident is over. Excellent. Thank you.
There's at least one secondary advantage to AIWB, in my opinion. Because it's intrinsically uncomfortable to wear AIWB while sitting, I've found that my seated posture is best when carrying appendix. I don't slouch forward; I keep my lower back and lower abs slightly engaged; I sit further forward in my seat and have better foot placement on the ground.. It makes a small but noticeable difference over the course of a day. Thanks for the video. Always nice to see Mas give us some of that 50-year wisdom most of us can only hope to have someday.
Yeah, I could see how this could be beneficial for some people with a posterior pelvic tilt with head forward posture and cue them to bring themselves back up into alignment.
Depends on body type. I could not stand sitting with my gun at 4 o'clock, especially driving which was torture! I can sit AIWB just as comfortably as when I'm not carrying.
I think that the quick draw aspect of it has been given way too much emphasis nowadays...if you ask me I'd say that the "quickest draw" is being aware of your surroundings (I.e. not using your phone for that "one" second).
I believe the popularity with appendix carry has helped bring favor back to DA/SA hammer-fired guns. A decocked hammer fired gun is a great option if considering appendix carry, IMO.
That's exactly why I appendix carry a da/sa. I have a few options, all sigs for carry. My p224 is more of a summer gun because I can wear just a tshirt, and then in months I can wear a jacket, thicker long sleeve shirts, hoodies, etc I choose between a p239 and a p229 depending on where I'm going. I don't think I would ever carry a p365 or other striker fired guns in that location.
I am glad Mas mentioned muzzle blast as a hazard. Most don't mention it and even if, during an AIWB unintended discharge, the bullet misses vital bits, the MB is still going to wreak havoc and still many penetrate through to vital arteries. FTR, I use AIWB upon occasion and even put together my own AIWB rig when I could not find what I wanted ready-made.
If it helps anyone hesitant to carry- When I started carrying appendix, I carried it empty (completely unloaded) but racked for about a month or so. If there were any kinks in my protocol, wardrobe, sitting posture, seat belt interference, restroom situation , etc. I'd find out w no consequence & gain some confidence & peace of mind. After a while of everyday scenarios & finding that the trigger had not dropped, I started carrying loaded but "dry racked". A month or so of that I had sufficient confidence to go ahead & carry Condition 1 with no real increase in anxiety or concern, though I still use the same care, attention, & strict diligence that I did on Day 1. Hope that's useful. Be safe.
Personally, I only feel comfortable running an AIWB when it’s an SA/DA hammer-fired gun. I bought a 365 shortly after they fixed the pin drag issue and loved the gun, but I ended up selling it because I ALWAYS stressed while holstering it AIWB.
If you carry a pistol with a grip safety and carry appendix you can put thumb on top basically on rear site and slide pistol in nicely without depressing the grip safety. Its comforting having a little backup (safety) in a dicey situation (rehostering).
I carry about 11 o’clock with a right hand draw. It’s easier for me to draw with either hand if necessary. I also must have a manual safety when carrying up front. It’s a mental thing for me to know 100% the pistol won’t go off when pointed at such a vulnerable area.
I carry a Glock 19, a Glock 17 and a S&W M&P appendix. The M&P has the external thumb safety, and the Glocks both have Striker Control Devices so I have positive tactile confirmation to help prevent AD's while holstering. So far so good...
Particularly useful at newer movie theaters that have large, plush seats that recline. It can be difficult to get to a belt gun in those big seats. I always have a 642 in an appendix holster when I go to the theater, and usually my G19 on the belt. This way, if I have to draw from a seated position, I have an easy-access option.
You are right! Just about everyone else is so pro- or anti-appendix carry that almost no one points out the benifits and risks. I was hoping to see some discussion of single action as a manual safety in my option would make this mode of carry much safer.
Meh. I AIWB carry a Glock 19. Between the firing pin safety, trigger safety, and drop safety, I feel pretty comfortable with it pointed at my junk. The striker isn’t pre cocked, either. No way it’s going off on its own. I trust that way more than a manual safety that can be switched off or is prone to mechanical failure.
@@seann2769 Did you watch the video? The risk is holstering with something on your belt or the tail of your shirt or something else getting jammed in the trigger guard. No one is talking about guns going off spontaneously.
I'm a huge proponent of this carry for speed and comfort. I prefer to use a hammer fired pistol and/or a 1911 or 2011 so that I know when I'm reholstering (slowly if at all) that I know where the action is. With my H&K P30sk I keep my thumb on the closed hammer and with my Stacatto C2 I make sure the slide safety is engaged and I use a weak grip so that the grip safety is NOT engaged when I put it back in the holster. Thanks Mas for your years of knowledge. I can't wait to take one of your classes in person.
I primarily carry strong side hip. 330-4 o'clock position, but find appendix to be nice, because it's quick. Especially if I'm taking the holster and sidearm out a lot, i.e. going to the bank/post office. I also like the appendix carry much better with a tuckable holster with dress clothes. It is very important to be informed, aware, and trained with any style you choose. Very good video.
Agreed. Too many horror stories, and I can draw faster form 3 o’clock anyways. Every single person that I know that shot their genitals off, or died (as result of blood loss) from an accidental/negligent discharge in the holster, were appendix carrying.
I think it’s your gaze that makes your words so powerful, when I look into your eyes I can’t help but treat your words with the utmost respect and diligence. Your a very wise man and it shows.
I've carried at 3 O'clock to 4:30 for over 50 years. I appreciate the advantages of appendix carry, but it's just not for me. Also, I always trained to twist away from an attacker, so that my gun and shooting arm are out of his reach. The late 60s is not a good time of life to start retraining things that have become instinctive.
@@boomee78 catching a negligent discharge in the ass or outer thigh is a whole different story than catching one in the femoral artery, or bob and the twins, or both. The consequences are definitely not the same.
@johny9516 First of all, not everyone puts the holster way back like Mas does. i haven't seen one person. I have seen first hand what can happen, unfortunately, twice on the job. Unfortunately, you can hit your femoral artery not everyone carries like mass does so that i disagree with you.
I find that I'm only comfortable with Aiwb when using a revolver. Both from a safety and a comfort position. A longer gun or one less curved just doesn't work for me. Interesting to think that back when a lot of guys justshoved a gun into the waistband. Pants were worn four or five Inches higher. Doing that I could probably caryy a full size 1911 comfortably.
"showing the pros and cons"- exactly why I fell in love with your channel. With all of your content, you seem to not let emotions dictate the info you provide, and look at all sides of every story. Great info- thank you!
Good video…I’ve been carrying my K frame size snub .357 for over 20 yrs here in Texas. Works great for me! There’s only two types of weapons I would carry this way, a revolver or DA/SA pistol. The rest would either OWB or IWB strong side.
Question for the team: Do you or anyone you know carry full-size pistols in AIWB carry? I have only seen compacts or subcompacts. Plus, I don't think I've ever seen a revolver (though I imagine a Ruger LCR or the like would be practical)? I just *love* Massad Ayoob's advice and the way he expresses himself! I also think very highly of this gentleman! Thank you again for having him, Wilson Combat. I will be frank; Ayoob, and not your fine pistols, is the #1 reason I have Subscribed to your channel. Your firearms are worth thousands of dollars, but Ayoob? He is genuinely priceless. =)
I carry a p10c aiwb in am ANR design holster with 17 round magazine. No issue but the p365 is more comfortable sitting down. I’m about 40/60 p10/p365. It’s what you get used to
I carry a 1911 in aiwb, 2 spare mags on the left hip. I'm a stout person so it doesn't print with a good polo shirt and like Mas says, the belt has to be a little higher. It took some getting used to but I wouldn't change it now. I have considered getting a compact little 9mm for when I'm working hard, but haven't felt the need to do so.
At age 62, arthritic, and being a tad chunky with a “slight” beer belly, IWB carry is strictly a no-go. Plus, no matter what size, age or fitness level a person is, ya gotta buy your britches 2” larger than the size you normally wear. Oh, to be 26 and have a 30” waist again.
Excellent topic! For myself; however, and because of surgeries, it is highly uncomfortable to have anything pressing against my lower abdomen. In some cases, it is even uncomfortable to have anything on my belt that would drag it down. I started wearing Perry suspenders to prevent that from happening. My normal carry these days is either in a shoulder rig or offside cross-draw carry, which while not ideal, is better than not carrying at all. Aside from that, the cant of the cross-draw holster is very comfortable when sitting and positions the muzzle of my firearm on the hipbone and not at my femoral artery. I suffer from poor blood circulation, and restricting a major right to left femoral bypass does not appeal to me, which appendix carry could do.
Appendix carry isn't comfortable at all unless you are 21 - 30 years old and 6' 1' 150 pounds soaking wet. Most of the guys who do it are very scrawny thin.
@@oklahomahank2378 I have no issue with pocket carry, given the right pistol/holster/pocket combination. In fact, as I am typing this a Hellcat is residing in a DeSantis Nemesis holster in my right pants pocket. I have also carried in a cargo pants pocket and vest pocket.
@@RangeRoninChronicles At the moment I have my LCP max in a Vedder pocket locker in my pocket. I like the Vedder. I have some other pocket holsters but I like the security of a form fitting Kydex.
After 2 back surgeries several years ago, carrying strong side became uncomfortable as it aggravated the hip pain I was operated on to remedy. After repeated suggestions (!) from my wife to find another way to carry I decided to try appendix.I read about it and watched several videos. I found it surprisingly comfortable, even with a full sized pistol. Sitting, driving, walking around, has been no problem. I usually carry a Springfield Hellcat Pro with a Holosun RDS. It wors for me.
Mr Mas, loved your written material I read in the 90,s. Great content from a very down to earth man. Happy to know you are still around. My best you and your loved ones. Respect from Australia.
Massad Ayoob, old school wisdom with modern tech savvy. In the gravest extreme is a great book I that have bought many times over as gifts, my trust is that solid. Thanks for the deep dive sir!
Appendix carry never worked for me. I tried three very good holsters and two different guns. I was like a cat on a hot tin roof. After over a year of this experiment, I went back to the 2:30 position in an outside the pants holster I had carried for most of my life. For me, just speaking for only myself, that has always felt right. Also, going back to an external holster allowed me to carry a larger gun. In training, practicing draws and my friend timing me, I got the best times. I am short and stocky, barrel chested. Maybe if I were thin and tall that might be a good way to carry. I do not know.
coming from a 6'+ lanky guy, its pretty much impossible for me to do anything else other than appendix, especially if i only have a flannel or minimal clothing in warm weather
Same here I can make 2 o clock work concealed carry also and just enough to even cover most or all of gun, was able to chat with Howard Darby once and he had a influence on my carry concept, fitting in some aspects of quick draw in the way I carry, cheating is a good thing if your cheating to set up carry method for speed saving your life
I agree. Many years ago when I first started carrying I tried appendix carry and found it terribly uncomfortable. Sitting and bending are not comfortable with a gun poking into you.
@@richb.4374 It's not comfortable at all nor is it safe. It's a new "trend".....we all used Galco SS2 or Miami Classic shoulder holsters or 3:00 - 4:00 pancake holsters. IWB is ok if it's a smaller or very thin handgun ( GLOCK G-42/G-43/G-43X...SIG P-365, Taurus G3C etc etc), otherwise that is also very uncomfortable too.
I agree with many of the potential issues with the AIWB, but I would say that there are some training techniques to overcome the issues of single handed draw. I prefer to keep my dominant hand wide open an sliding it under my cover garment, as this allows me to use the back of my hand to lift the garment. I have trained this way for some time, and don't have the garment snag on anything. I also don't mind AIWB without an under garment, but this was just a matter of getting used to the feeling. Great video.
I personally prefer 3-4 o’clock. I am quicker drawing and going on target that way, since it is how I have practiced drills for years. That’s said appendix is better for concealment as it doesn’t print as much, but my most sacred rule is not to point the gun at myself or anyone else, and appendix breaks that rule for me.
Awesome guy. I’m glad to learn that I’ve actually incorporated each of his points into my thinking and practice prior to watching the video. Thank you Wilson Combat!
Good information Sir . I converted to that type of carry a good while back and can't remember when . It is very comfortable to me . I carry a Glock 26 and a spare magazine.
@@kevinrhodes3902. He or she didn’t answer. I have both tier one concealed and T Rex holsters for my 26. Both are good, I prefer the Tier One. Be prepared to spend some time adjusting the clips up or down and trying a wedge and a claw in different places and sizes.
I've appendix carried after many unsuccessful attempts to find the place that felt good to me and accommodated my edc. I've been doing it for years and I never change up the gun. I like consistency.
Probably the number one reason I carry appendix is gun security. You are not going to get my gun without me knowing . Great channel with wonderful advice!
Great advice. You HAVE to treat AIWB with the respect it deserves. Build that safety protocol (especially the draw and reholster motions) into muscle memory as part of your dry fire practice. That should be the absolute BARE MINUMUM you do if you're carrying AIWB!
I carried a 5-shot .44 cal revolver in an open top leather holster at the 4:00 position for many years until I developed a fatty tumor in that location. Now I carry in the 10:00 or 11:00 position. Much easier to access the weapon, even when seated. I'm 81 years old now and am trying to adjust to carrying the P365 XL. Much easier to carry but so far that is all I can say about it. I had full confidence in my .44 revolver. Later on I bought a S&W 646 and loved it. Most natural pointing handgun I've ever owned, and I carried it a good bit. But it is a little bulky for summer use. Now, I'm trying to make the XL work.
Thanks so much for sharing your vast gun carrying and firearms knowledge with us via Wilson Firearms of these accords, Mr. Ayoob. I met a Law Enforcement Officer friend of mine that's a Military Veteran as well, and he told me years ago that he studied under you. Again, God bless you for sharing your Law Enforcement as well as Civilian gun carrying knowledge and experience, with your audiences for the safety and well-being of a number of people's lives and souls, sir.
There are quite a few resources out there with various methods for one-handed appendix draw. I’ve found (giving all a fair and lengthy trial) that fir me personally, I do much better with a circular or elliptical type thumb motion to clear my cover garment. Gotta put in the practice though, but it can be done pretty effectively, though obviously not as quick as two handed. And there are also various two handed methods as well that are worth the practice to get proficient at. Last, I absolutely couldn’t agree more with your hips forward, firearm grip against the belly, muzzle angled outward, reholstering technique! In some situations, I’ll even remove the holster to reholster the firearm (being careful to not muzzle my support hand either). Definitely the scariest part of appendix carry! 😳
Excellent video. The accidental discharge is a hard learned lesson even for the professional. A good friend who was a firearms instructor blew a hole in his leg with a 44mag . He luckily missed the artery and recovered fairly quickly. It happened because of loss of focus and distraction while re-holster . I like the lean back technique .👍.
Good information. Just watched a Yankee Marshal vid I which he cited statistics showing that (suicides excluded) more people die from their own gun, than from being shot by someone else. He concluded that most self conflicted gun deaths happen from appendix carry and wanted to let people know of the significant risk involved with this carry option.
It’s no surprise that this is another informative and, yes, entertaining presentation! To the excellent recommendations Mr. Ayoob made, I would add that it’s worth considering the pistol one carries, as well. I personally feel a lot better re-holstering a double action or pistol with an external safety of some kind. These obviously require another level of training compared to a striker fired pistol, but the additional peace of mind is, for me, absolutely worth it.
Flashbang Holster bra carry. Not particularly fast, but the perp doesn't also probably assume you are carrying, being a female. Fairly comfy for a smaller gun. Even works for small gals. Thanks for all your info! 😎
A holster-bra? How creative! I once heard of a holster demonstration involving a lovely long-haired lady wearing only a swimsuit while on the stage. When she drew, the pistol appeared from underneath all that hair. For most guys and some gals? That was probably the last place they were looking - but wow! Talk about catching the crowd by surprise! =)
@@PurrsPlace It's actually a holster that fits inside the bra and snaps around the very middle of the bra, so you can wear your own bra. It's very secure and totally trigger protected and easy to draw. It's very comfortable. I think it's totally practical.
For me, the main problem with appendix carry is sweeping the femoral artery. Especially when sitting. That can be fatal, even if everything else about it is great.
@Loanword Eggcorn he's off on alot of his stuff. He always mentions the bad and never how to get out of it. It's all basic stuff he mentions. On my channel I started I will be going over realism.
@@ruffianotv The format here is brief. I think we agree that one can't cover everything in a few minutes. Mas got the basics right. He definitely mentioned major benefits of Appendix carry too.
Thanks again Massad Ayoob. Still transitioning to appendix carry. Thank you as well for youre above grade leadership at the 2nd amendment foundation. A lot of great things happening with such a great leader at the head.
I've always held the belief we should look at our gun as we put it back in the holster regardless of where it's sitting. It's too easy for clothing to slip in at the same time. And if you're putting it back in the holster that means you've determined the threat to be over so taking that one second to look is a none issue. I see zero need to be tacticool while holstering, just my opinion for a added layer of safety.
Things have a reason in a sensible World. Whilst its a bit of a stretch to assert the World has any sense - at all! At least there is a clear reason why Mr Ayoob has been a voice worth lending an ear for... well for respectful diplomacy to 'age' ( for both of us! ) shall we simply call it decades. I carried for my Govt and listened politely to all the ( brief ) training. But stayed whole, sane and effective because I paid assiduous attention to this man. Perhaps dating things to say my issue 158 gr LRN 38's got swapped for Federal 125grn SJHP 357! I m sure its been said, I m sure I ve said it. But at risk of worthwhile repetition - thank you Mr A.
I'm glad to see this Video Mas, thank you for posting it. I remember reading you in the Magazines in my Teens. I have been Appendix carrying since 1982, within a month or so of graduation from the Police Academy. I carried that way off duty and I carried my Back up there while working in Uniform, and then in plain clothes and as a Detective. Only during Twice yearly Qualifying did I wear it on the Strong side belt because the job or at least the Fire Arms and Tactics section required it. I start with My Model 10, then with the Model 36. Once off Probation I carried my 459 there and eventually my 1006, which I carry that way til this day. I find it very comfortable and easy to access. I shoot well and can indeed draw quickly with it in that position. Then again after 41 years I should be able too.
As always, great advice. Thank you. Speaking from my personal experience, During a practice session, I had a spent case enter my holster while trying to reholster my pistol. The spent case applied pressure to the trigger. However, the pistol was a P226 DA/SA and I was riding the hammer. Therefore, no discharge. That made a believer out of me.
I don’t doubt that appendix carry is fast, or can be. I also, like you have had my reservations. I have tried it - actually bought one holster designed for AIWB and found it was not very comfortable at all when doing normal things besides carrying a pistol concealed. I found a simple JM Custom Kydex AIWB in the Nelson traditional design to work better, but still had days where it was uncomfortable. I have paid attention to Spencer Keepers’ products, but also have a small hernia right where the holster would ride and haven’t been very anxious to get surgery. Furthermore, I’ve heard post surgery problems continuing and can see a holster riding on scar tissue being just as painful. I will continue to carry strong side as I have for the past 30-some years. In the end, it’s to each his or her own, but please get good gear and proper training to use it.
Thanks for the insights and pro/con of wearing appendix carry holster. The safe holstering of a gun is often left out when others discuss the topic. I would add that the belt with your chosen appendix holster should be considered. Not all belts are the same with all holsters.
Mas your dry humor is what makes these videos…to us the rest is obvious 100% best info from one of the greats…some may not have much up front that could get n front of the gun either
As a small guy I just pocket carry the old LCP Max. I can bring it anywhere without a metal detector with two spare 12 round mags (37 justice packets in total) even in small summer shorts. Sometimes in the winter when I'm wearing heavy clothing I'll carry appendix or 4 o'clock with a compact, but not often as it is far less comfortable. I know some people wouldn't be okay with the level of stopping power but the reliability and accuracy is actually pretty astounding, and shot placement even with a 45 is the most important thing. The amount of reps I've done to be smooth out of the pocket is high and I practice with snap caps every day to keep myself in good shape. If you value true invisibility and the ability to constantly have your EDC I highly recommend putting in the training effort and getting over the ego hit of carrying such a small gun.
Thank you for this video explaining this topic. As someone who tried appendix for a long time before moving to 3 o clock, it makes a lot more sense now. Being a farmer in a seated position in a vehicle that bounces a lot, I've found that an iwb holster at 3 o clock is right for me.
Thanks again Mas for an articulate and well thought out presentation with a focus on critical thinking skills. I don't normally utilize appendix carry because as a life long cross trained martial arts instructor I prefer the 3 o'clock position to keep my hips and pelvic girdle unencumbered. However, as an NRA Instructor, when I am training my younger personal defense students who are utilizing the appendix carry positions I demo and instruct them on exactly the techniques and concepts you presented in this video. I start them off with a confirmed/empty firearm and proceed from there once they have demonstrated a basic competency of the skills you presented in this video.
I tried OTWB hip carry for about two weeks . I found it very uncomfortable just to carry it , sitting down or driving was very uncomfortable . I switched to appendix carry and never looked back , way more comfortable and I can even do my daily activities without any issues .
Very well balanced and informative video. You made a great point about getting your belt up higher. The few times I've tried appendix carry I felt okay while standing, but couldn't get comfortable when seated. The gun barrel always seemed to poking me somewhere no matter what adjustments I made with the holster's position or angle.
I would like your opinion on cross draw, I have carried in public only cross draw or shoulder carry over 50 years, in the pasture with 1911s I sometimes carry right hip straight drop. Cross draw seems fast. Great presentation Thanks.
I drive for a living so I spend a lot of time in my car. I found that in order to draw from a behind the hip holster while sitting in a bucket car seat I had to lean forward to create enough space to get a grip on the pistol. If an assailant is at your driver's side car window when you draw, by leaning forward you're exposing the back of the head and neck to them. You also can't effectively use your weak hand to fend off an attacker while drawing. An appendix holster offers a far easier draw while seated and doesn't compromise your ability to defend with the weak hand while drawing.
This is going to be GOOD I have to come back and watch this and totally scrutinize. I was an NRA LEO Instructor for 20+ years and NEVER promoted shooting my package. Until I retired and won a SASS Championship. Speed, Movement, Control and Safety. I have seen a shooter draw a lead line down the outside of his trousers. No finger poke in til proper! I Carried a very long time until I trusted myself enough and felt proficient enough. Rule of thumb for me is Carry THE PLACE WHERE YOU TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. After all that's where you will be looking for her! Do not "police" brass while shooting!
@bmaxse emptying your spent shells,collect in hand and place safely in your pocket where you wouldn't trip on them. They would fight them in wounded Officers pockets. One ALWAYS REVERTS TO TRAINING UNDER PRESSURE
I appendix carry most days of the week. I crawl under houses, up in attics, and drive hours at a time. Appendix is the only position that allows me to work and maintain concealment and retention and to have access while driving. I strong side hip carry when I’m wearing a suit or working outside. With appendix carry I can get to my gun while in tight confines like a residential hallway or closet. Clinch pick on the left of centerline and my 365XL on the right of centerline. And as far as re holstering goes, I can’t fathom a reason I would be in a hurry to holster the firearm after defensive use.
Terrific as usual Mr. Ayoob. I have appendix carried since my time in service over 30 years ago and couple that with having been trained in the Israeli method I have no worries of accidental discharge. I train regularly and am comfortable with the time it takes to draw and present the weapon.
It's reassuring to hear someone like Mr. Ayoob both talk about the mental aspect of AIWB and that my holstering technique is just as he requires (in his classes). I guess I'm at least doing something right!
I appendix carry snubbies everyday. Comfortable and forget I have it sometimes. I do carry some semiautomatic pistols AIWB but don’t care for it too much. Thanks for the great video.
Agree with the pros and cons of both. I carry both ways but carry different guns in each position. My edc is a P365XL and I carry that at the 4 o clock position. I will also carry a S&W 642 J frame when I am in gym shorts or something light and I will carry that appendix. I don't feel comfortable with a striker fired pistol carried appendix. I would need a revolver or a DA/SA pistol for me to feel comfortable with carrying appendix with the heavier trigger and or hammer to press my thumb against to insure I didn't miss something in the holster or anything else to avoid a ND. Just makes me most comfortable.
I started out at 4:30 iwb and switched to appendix 10yrs ago... once I found a holster that's so comfortable that sitting is never a issue, as a matter of fact I've fallen asleep with it on.
I appreciate that Wilson Combat is willing to use this channel for more than just advertising their products or services. They put aside time and use their experience to genuinely educate people in depth, entirely for free on a public platform. To Mr. Ayoob and the others who put out content for this channel, I appreciate you and I’m sure I don’t speak for just myself.
So well said. Allow me to second your comment!
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This has been one the best and most balanced presentations on this highly debated topic. Great job, Mr. Ayoob. Thank you very much. I carry strong arm OWB because of training and simply years of duty and CCW. Basically, habit.
I agree, I'm 52 & a ccw user, licensed G armed officer 👮🏼♂️. I don't feel A-IWB carry is best but can see why newer, younger thin guys, gals. I'm left handed & used OWB for around 25+ years.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I'm new to concealed carry and I'm slowly working up the courage and confidence to appendix carry. The gun pointed at my balls all day really makes me nervous lmao ; P
@@randalthor6872 I carry AIWB, my gun isn't "pointed at my balls", the barrel points just outside the balls, when I sit, the end of the barrel points between the scrotum and inner thigh. I've got some pretty serious low back issues and appendix carry is the most comfortable method I've found. I carry an IWI Masada Tactical (4.6" barrel, 17+1 capacity) and I find AIWB to be very comfortable. Just use a quality holster and never get in a hurry to holster the weapon, always check to make sure the holster is clear, watch the gun go in and make sure no loose straps or clothing went in with it. Once properly holstered, the gun is as safe as it can be, if it's pointed at your balls it makes no difference, it won't go off on its own out of the blue. The 'accidents' (negligent discharges) occur during holstering or drawing. Do those two things properly and AIWB is just as safe as any other carry method. Of course, no matter which way you decide to carry, you should still strive to always do those two things properly and safely. Try several carry methods, see which you find best for concealment, comfort and access. AIWB is my preferred method and most people I know who tried it stuck with it.
I think its the best way period anyways but I don't like walking around with an exposed OWB gun.
It makes people feel very uncomfortable unless you're a cop and I'm not trying to make other people afraid or feel unsafe.
@@cosmicabyss7358
My sidearm is never exposed. Dress for success. Simple.
One thing he didn't mention is that with AIWB you always have a visual on the status of the gun. When I carry 4 o'clock I have to physically check with my hand to make sure its still concealed correctly or is printing. If my shirt is riding up or whatever. When in appendix, I always know what's going on, and I am the only one who can get to it.
Very good point. It never feels right when you need to try to casually feel the small of your back to make sure you’re not exposed.
Very good point!
If you use the right holster, where the weapon is completely tucked in, no one will know you are packing...ergo you have all the time necessary to retrieve it and defnd yourself, your partner or others! One should ALWAYS carry in the same location, so as to NOT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE GAT IS! It may save your life. It did mine...NYPD RET.
@@johneliadis9689 I'm confused. How can you carry a gun with it all the way tucked into your pants? How would you draw it lol
@hugeslacker thumb in first, hook the grips and draw. Been doing g it for thirty plus years.
Was a 3-4 o’clock carrier for a couple decades, but with some of the newer technology, switched over to appendix carry about 3 years ago and haven’t looked back since, mainly for the retention. As a guy, the place I notice the greatest improvement in feeling secure is when standing at a urinal - both hands in front are still guarding my firearm, whereas side-carry always left me feeling much more vulnerable since both hands were in front of me.
You could always wait for the urinal on the far right (or far left).
@@theritchie2173 I just go into the stall as if I were taking a dump 😂
To each their own...but couldn't disagree more. Technology still hasn't come up with a replacement for man's plumbing.
I was always trained to use the stall when carrying.
@@Bar1putt yep so no red flag calls go out about seeing a man with a gun !
"The genitalia and the femoral artery".....nuff said
This guy is so good, he's got one eye on us and one eye on the door.
can't let anybody get a tactical suprise on you.
Im a woman. With a large chest. I'm having a hard time deciding where to carry. I'm have a lil squish, beer belly. I think appendix carry is what is best for me. I'm still trying to sort it out. Thanks WC. I love the context. As always.
They deleted my comment to you. So research "bra carry." I love it!
@@C-hp4eh lol. They deleted. Your tig ol bitties comment. Tisk tisk. Thanks lol 😆
Go for it, no twig and berries to worry about blasting off.
@@PopeMcGropeno, just the leg
I appendix carry every day. I did however opt for a p365 with the manual safety due to what I perceived was a trigger weight a little light for concealed carry. I've trained that manual safety into every draw and always have one in the pipe.
I added a manual safety to my P365 just for that reason.
I have each of the new Sig 365 Rose kits on order. I like that both the 380 ACP and the 9mm have manual safeties.
I have a P365-380 with manual safety, I want that with any striker fired gun. Never used the safety(except for decocker) on my hammer fired pistols.
I also aiwb with a manual safety. After a lot of reps, it's part of my draw
Do you have to remove your pistol when you sit and drive?
I watched a bunch of old Mas videos this weekend and was surprised with how wicked his sense of humor was back in the day. Great content as always!
One day I'm watching one of his old videos, back when political correctness wasn't a thing and he just shouts "in America if you suck a c**k once you're a c*k sucker forever!" I just bursted with laughter
Watch the video on the cameraman’s vest. It was so hilarious when he whips out a second sandwich from the vest
@@samoliver9132 that vest was hilarious!
@@samoliver9132 OMG that was the first video I saw about this guy. I was instantly hooked.
I also had a serious hankering for a sandwich....
Thanks so much. I'm 73 and have been carrying strong side OWB so long that I truthfully just don't want to change. I really look forward to all of your videos.
Pros and cons is one of the basics that keeps me coming back to your presentations, Mas.
Yes. The shoulders back and watching the gun holstering is the way. You should have time for this whether at the range or after an incident is over. Excellent. Thank you.
see my post
Yep, speed reholstering isn't a thing
If you can't look at your holster while reholstering, that means the threat isn't gone, and you don't need to be holstering anyway.
It’s the same concept with hammer fired pistols with a decocker. You aren’t decocking in a life or death situation, nor are you holstering.
@@justinsane11 Absolutely
There's at least one secondary advantage to AIWB, in my opinion. Because it's intrinsically uncomfortable to wear AIWB while sitting, I've found that my seated posture is best when carrying appendix. I don't slouch forward; I keep my lower back and lower abs slightly engaged; I sit further forward in my seat and have better foot placement on the ground.. It makes a small but noticeable difference over the course of a day.
Thanks for the video. Always nice to see Mas give us some of that 50-year wisdom most of us can only hope to have someday.
Yeah, I could see how this could be beneficial for some people with a posterior pelvic tilt with head forward posture and cue them to bring themselves back up into alignment.
Depends on body type. I could not stand sitting with my gun at 4 o'clock, especially driving which was torture! I can sit AIWB just as comfortably as when I'm not carrying.
You’re using the wrong belt and holster if sitting is uncomfortable AIWB. I can sit all day with a full size 5in
Simple don’t pull the trigger while the muzzle is pointed at you
@@jhos9494 I've tried a few different holsters Appendix for me is just uncomfortable. For me 3 o'clock OWB or 4 o clock IWB.
I think that the quick draw aspect of it has been given way too much emphasis nowadays...if you ask me I'd say that the "quickest draw" is being aware of your surroundings (I.e. not using your phone for that "one" second).
Appendix carry for the better part of 15 yrs thanks for the safety reminders.
I believe the popularity with appendix carry has helped bring favor back to DA/SA hammer-fired guns. A decocked hammer fired gun is a great option if considering appendix carry, IMO.
That's exactly why I appendix carry a da/sa. I have a few options, all sigs for carry. My p224 is more of a summer gun because I can wear just a tshirt, and then in months I can wear a jacket, thicker long sleeve shirts, hoodies, etc I choose between a p239 and a p229 depending on where I'm going. I don't think I would ever carry a p365 or other striker fired guns in that location.
I am glad Mas mentioned muzzle blast as a hazard. Most don't mention it and even if, during an AIWB unintended discharge, the bullet misses vital bits, the MB is still going to wreak havoc and still many penetrate through to vital arteries. FTR, I use AIWB upon occasion and even put together my own AIWB rig when I could not find what I wanted ready-made.
If it helps anyone hesitant to carry- When I started carrying appendix, I carried it empty (completely unloaded) but racked for about a month or so. If there were any kinks in my protocol, wardrobe, sitting posture, seat belt interference, restroom situation , etc. I'd find out w no consequence & gain some confidence & peace of mind. After a while of everyday scenarios & finding that the trigger had not dropped, I started carrying loaded but "dry racked". A month or so of that I had sufficient confidence to go ahead & carry Condition 1 with no real increase in anxiety or concern, though I still use the same care, attention, & strict diligence that I did on Day 1. Hope that's useful. Be safe.
Thank you for a professional discussion of what is way too often a nearly-religious matter.
Great video. I personally choose appendix for its advantages. It’s good to hear you allow it but with safety measures in your courses.
What extra safety measures do you need to take when carrying appendix as opposed to strong side?
@@Horrible_Deplorable Did you not watch the presentation? It was well explained.
KnifeMaker
@@michaell397 you'll have to explain how knifemaker is a safety precaution.
Is it a new rule to the universal firearm safety rules?
see my post
Sweet video
Personally, I only feel comfortable running an AIWB when it’s an SA/DA hammer-fired gun. I bought a 365 shortly after they fixed the pin drag issue and loved the gun, but I ended up selling it because I ALWAYS stressed while holstering it AIWB.
If you carry a pistol with a grip safety and carry appendix you can put thumb on top basically on rear site and slide pistol in nicely without depressing the grip safety. Its comforting having a little backup (safety) in a dicey situation (rehostering).
I carry about 11 o’clock with a right hand draw. It’s easier for me to draw with either hand if necessary. I also must have a manual safety when carrying up front. It’s a mental thing for me to know 100% the pistol won’t go off when pointed at such a vulnerable area.
I carry a Glock 19, a Glock 17 and a S&W M&P appendix. The M&P has the external thumb safety, and the Glocks both have Striker Control Devices so I have positive tactile confirmation to help prevent AD's while holstering. So far so good...
I can listen to this man's wisdom all day long.
Particularly useful at newer movie theaters that have large, plush seats that recline. It can be difficult to get to a belt gun in those big seats. I always have a 642 in an appendix holster when I go to the theater, and usually my G19 on the belt. This way, if I have to draw from a seated position, I have an easy-access option.
You are right! Just about everyone else is so pro- or anti-appendix carry that almost no one points out the benifits and risks. I was hoping to see some discussion of single action as a manual safety in my option would make this mode of carry much safer.
Meh. I AIWB carry a Glock 19. Between the firing pin safety, trigger safety, and drop safety, I feel pretty comfortable with it pointed at my junk. The striker isn’t pre cocked, either. No way it’s going off on its own. I trust that way more than a manual safety that can be switched off or is prone to mechanical failure.
@@seann2769 Did you watch the video? The risk is holstering with something on your belt or the tail of your shirt or something else getting jammed in the trigger guard. No one is talking about guns going off spontaneously.
@@michaelstora70 I did. My apologies for my poor reading comprehension lol
Oh, I looked hard at the advantages but they are NOT enough for me to deliberately point a loaded pistol at my testicles and femoral arteries...
Makes total sense. Just starting out and trying each.
The caution about what the muzzle blast would do from an unintentional discharge when re-holstering appendix carry . . .
I'm a huge proponent of this carry for speed and comfort. I prefer to use a hammer fired pistol and/or a 1911 or 2011 so that I know when I'm reholstering (slowly if at all) that I know where the action is. With my H&K P30sk I keep my thumb on the closed hammer and with my Stacatto C2 I make sure the slide safety is engaged and I use a weak grip so that the grip safety is NOT engaged when I put it back in the holster.
Thanks Mas for your years of knowledge. I can't wait to take one of your classes in person.
Always an outstanding video and presentation that I look forward to watching.
Thank you.
I primarily carry strong side hip. 330-4 o'clock position, but find appendix to be nice, because it's quick. Especially if I'm taking the holster and sidearm out a lot, i.e. going to the bank/post office. I also like the appendix carry much better with a tuckable holster with dress clothes. It is very important to be informed, aware, and trained with any style you choose. Very good video.
To me, carrying in the 3:30/4:00 position actually feels more comfortable than not having a firearm there, it makes my lower back feel supported.
Well explained. After a career in military LE, the only place I feel comfortable is strong side hip. But that's me.
Same here. I want my gun on my hip.
Agreed. Too many horror stories, and I can draw faster form 3 o’clock anyways. Every single person that I know that shot their genitals off, or died (as result of blood loss) from an accidental/negligent discharge in the holster, were appendix carrying.
I think it’s your gaze that makes your words so powerful, when I look into your eyes I can’t help but treat your words with the utmost respect and diligence. Your a very wise man and it shows.
I've carried at 3 O'clock to 4:30 for over 50 years. I appreciate the advantages of appendix carry, but it's just not for me. Also, I always trained to twist away from an attacker, so that my gun and shooting arm are out of his reach. The late 60s is not a good time of life to start retraining things that have become instinctive.
Thanks Mas, I've chosen to not go with appendix carry. It's not comfortable to me, and the consequences of a mishap are far more dire.
The consequences are the same it takes time to get used to
@@boomee78 the consequences are not the same lol. I'd rather lose an ass cheek than lose my junk or hit a femoral
@@boomee78 catching a negligent discharge in the ass or outer thigh is a whole different story than catching one in the femoral artery, or bob and the twins, or both. The consequences are definitely not the same.
@johny9516 First of all, not everyone puts the holster way back like Mas does. i haven't seen one person. I have seen first hand what can happen, unfortunately, twice on the job. Unfortunately, you can hit your femoral artery not everyone carries like mass does so that i disagree with you.
Being 6'1 and slim frame it's hard to cc other than appendix for me at least.
Good advice as usual. Appendix carry all but eliminates a bad guy grabbing one’s firearm also.
Mas is one of my favorite presenters ever.
I find that I'm only comfortable with Aiwb when using a revolver. Both from a safety and a comfort position. A longer gun or one less curved just doesn't work for me. Interesting to think that back when a lot of guys justshoved a gun into the waistband. Pants were worn four or five Inches higher. Doing that I could probably caryy a full size 1911 comfortably.
"showing the pros and cons"- exactly why I fell in love with your channel. With all of your content, you seem to not let emotions dictate the info you provide, and look at all sides of every story. Great info- thank you!
Good video…I’ve been carrying my K frame size snub .357 for over 20 yrs here in Texas. Works great for me!
There’s only two types of weapons I would carry this way, a revolver or DA/SA pistol. The rest would either OWB or IWB strong side.
Very smart and realistic. Better said than Massad. I'm in Texas too.
Thank you, Mas! Outstanding appendix carry pro/con presentation!
Question for the team: Do you or anyone you know carry full-size pistols in AIWB carry? I have only seen compacts or subcompacts. Plus, I don't think I've ever seen a revolver (though I imagine a Ruger LCR or the like would be practical)?
I just *love* Massad Ayoob's advice and the way he expresses himself! I also think very highly of this gentleman! Thank you again for having him, Wilson Combat. I will be frank; Ayoob, and not your fine pistols, is the #1 reason I have Subscribed to your channel. Your firearms are worth thousands of dollars, but Ayoob? He is genuinely priceless. =)
I carry a p10c aiwb in am ANR design holster with 17 round magazine. No issue but the p365 is more comfortable sitting down. I’m about 40/60 p10/p365. It’s what you get used to
I carry a 1911 in aiwb, 2 spare mags on the left hip. I'm a stout person so it doesn't print with a good polo shirt and like Mas says, the belt has to be a little higher. It took some getting used to but I wouldn't change it now.
I have considered getting a compact little 9mm for when I'm working hard, but haven't felt the need to do so.
Look up nightwood guns. He is carrying a 2011.
I've carried a full size 10mm (4.6in) , but the extra barrel length will pinch your sack
It's how I carry!
At age 62, arthritic, and being a tad chunky with a “slight” beer belly, IWB carry is strictly a no-go. Plus, no matter what size, age or fitness level a person is, ya gotta buy your britches 2” larger than the size you normally wear.
Oh, to be 26 and have a
30” waist again.
Excellent topic! For myself; however, and because of surgeries, it is highly uncomfortable to have anything pressing against my lower abdomen. In some cases, it is even uncomfortable to have anything on my belt that would drag it down. I started wearing Perry suspenders to prevent that from happening. My normal carry these days is either in a shoulder rig or offside cross-draw carry, which while not ideal, is better than not carrying at all. Aside from that, the cant of the cross-draw holster is very comfortable when sitting and positions the muzzle of my firearm on the hipbone and not at my femoral artery. I suffer from poor blood circulation, and restricting a major right to left femoral bypass does not appeal to me, which appendix carry could do.
Definietely you dont want to 'interfere' with 'anything near' the 'connection ends' of a fem-fem bypass.
Appendix carry isn't comfortable at all unless you are 21 - 30 years old and 6' 1' 150 pounds soaking wet. Most of the guys who do it are very scrawny thin.
How about pocket carry?
@@oklahomahank2378 I have no issue with pocket carry, given the right pistol/holster/pocket combination. In fact, as I am typing this a Hellcat is residing in a DeSantis Nemesis holster in my right pants pocket. I have also carried in a cargo pants pocket and vest pocket.
@@RangeRoninChronicles At the moment I have my LCP max in a Vedder pocket locker in my pocket. I like the Vedder. I have some other pocket holsters but I like the security of a form fitting Kydex.
After 2 back surgeries several years ago, carrying strong side became uncomfortable as it aggravated the hip pain I was operated on to remedy. After repeated suggestions (!) from my wife to find another way to carry I decided to try appendix.I read about it and watched several videos. I found it surprisingly comfortable, even with a full sized pistol. Sitting, driving, walking around, has been no problem. I usually carry a Springfield Hellcat Pro with a Holosun RDS. It wors for me.
Thank you for addressing this issue. As a man, I’ve wondered about this myself. I don’t think I could ever feel comfortable carrying in the front.
Mr Mas, loved your written material I read in the 90,s. Great content from a very down to earth man. Happy to know you are still around. My best you and your loved ones. Respect from Australia.
Massad Ayoob, old school wisdom with modern tech savvy. In the gravest extreme is a great book I that have bought many times over as gifts, my trust is that solid. Thanks for the deep dive sir!
Staccato,, CS 9 mm concealed carry perfect!
Appendix carry never worked for me. I tried three very good holsters and two different guns. I was like a cat on a hot tin roof. After over a year of this experiment, I went back to the 2:30 position in an outside the pants holster I had carried for most of my life. For me, just speaking for only myself, that has always felt right. Also, going back to an external holster allowed me to carry a larger gun. In training, practicing draws and my friend timing me, I got the best times. I am short and stocky, barrel chested. Maybe if I were thin and tall that might be a good way to carry. I do not know.
coming from a 6'+ lanky guy, its pretty much impossible for me to do anything else other than appendix, especially if i only have a flannel or minimal clothing in warm weather
Same here I can make 2 o clock work concealed carry also and just enough to even cover most or all of gun, was able to chat with Howard Darby once and he had a influence on my carry concept, fitting in some aspects of quick draw in the way I carry, cheating is a good thing if your cheating to set up carry method for speed saving your life
Hit the gym and stop drinking goyslop and beer. Maybe you could appendix carry if you werent a fatass
I agree. Many years ago when I first started carrying I tried appendix carry and found it terribly uncomfortable. Sitting and bending are not comfortable with a gun poking into you.
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It's not comfortable at all nor is it safe. It's a new "trend".....we all used Galco SS2 or Miami Classic shoulder holsters or 3:00 - 4:00 pancake holsters. IWB is ok if it's a smaller or very thin handgun ( GLOCK G-42/G-43/G-43X...SIG P-365, Taurus G3C etc etc), otherwise that is also very uncomfortable too.
I agree with many of the potential issues with the AIWB, but I would say that there are some training techniques to overcome the issues of single handed draw. I prefer to keep my dominant hand wide open an sliding it under my cover garment, as this allows me to use the back of my hand to lift the garment. I have trained this way for some time, and don't have the garment snag on anything. I also don't mind AIWB without an under garment, but this was just a matter of getting used to the feeling.
Great video.
I personally prefer 3-4 o’clock. I am quicker drawing and going on target that way, since it is how I have practiced drills for years.
That’s said appendix is better for concealment as it doesn’t print as much, but my most sacred rule is not to point the gun at myself or anyone else, and appendix breaks that rule for me.
First. Also his voice is very calming
Awesome guy. I’m glad to learn that I’ve actually incorporated each of his points into my thinking and practice prior to watching the video. Thank you Wilson Combat!
Good information Sir . I converted to that type of carry a good while back and can't remember when . It is very comfortable to me . I carry a Glock 26 and a spare magazine.
Which holster do you prefer/use for your Glock 26?
@@kevinrhodes3902. He or she didn’t answer. I have both tier one concealed and T Rex holsters for my 26. Both are good, I prefer the Tier One. Be prepared to spend some time adjusting the clips up or down and trying a wedge and a claw in different places and sizes.
Great overview! Appreciate your expertise!
I've appendix carried after many unsuccessful attempts to find the place that felt good to me and accommodated my edc. I've been doing it for years and I never change up the gun. I like consistency.
Probably the number one reason I carry appendix is gun security.
You are not going to get my gun without me knowing .
Great channel with wonderful advice!
Great advice. You HAVE to treat AIWB with the respect it deserves. Build that safety protocol (especially the draw and reholster motions) into muscle memory as part of your dry fire practice. That should be the absolute BARE MINUMUM you do if you're carrying AIWB!
I carried a 5-shot .44 cal revolver in an open top leather holster at the 4:00 position for many years until I developed a fatty tumor in that location. Now I carry in the 10:00 or 11:00 position. Much easier to access the weapon, even when seated. I'm 81 years old now and am trying to adjust to carrying the P365 XL. Much easier to carry but so far that is all I can say about it. I had full confidence in my .44 revolver. Later on I bought a S&W 646 and loved it. Most natural pointing handgun I've ever owned, and I carried it a good bit. But it is a little bulky for summer use. Now, I'm trying to make the XL work.
It’s scary at first but well worth it once you gain experience.
Thanks so much for sharing your vast gun carrying and firearms knowledge with us via Wilson Firearms of these accords, Mr. Ayoob. I met a Law Enforcement Officer friend of mine that's a Military Veteran as well, and he told me years ago that he studied under you. Again, God bless you for sharing your Law Enforcement as well as Civilian gun carrying knowledge and experience, with your audiences for the safety and well-being of a number of people's lives and souls, sir.
There are quite a few resources out there with various methods for one-handed appendix draw. I’ve found (giving all a fair and lengthy trial) that fir me personally, I do much better with a circular or elliptical type thumb motion to clear my cover garment. Gotta put in the practice though, but it can be done pretty effectively, though obviously not as quick as two handed. And there are also various two handed methods as well that are worth the practice to get proficient at. Last, I absolutely couldn’t agree more with your hips forward, firearm grip against the belly, muzzle angled outward, reholstering technique! In some situations, I’ll even remove the holster to reholster the firearm (being careful to not muzzle my support hand either). Definitely the scariest part of appendix carry! 😳
Another absolute ace video from Massad. Thanks for making this!
I have used your teaching on this in several classes.. always great info massad ayoob…. ❤️
Excellent video. The accidental discharge is a hard learned lesson even for the professional. A good friend who was a firearms instructor blew a hole in his leg with a 44mag . He luckily missed the artery and recovered fairly quickly. It happened because of loss of focus and distraction while re-holster . I like the lean back technique .👍.
Good information. Just watched a Yankee Marshal vid I which he cited statistics showing that (suicides excluded) more people die from their own gun, than from being shot by someone else. He concluded that most self conflicted gun deaths happen from appendix carry and wanted to let people know of the significant risk involved with this carry option.
It’s no surprise that this is another informative and, yes, entertaining presentation! To the excellent recommendations Mr. Ayoob made, I would add that it’s worth considering the pistol one carries, as well. I personally feel a lot better re-holstering a double action or pistol with an external safety of some kind. These obviously require another level of training compared to a striker fired pistol, but the additional peace of mind is, for me, absolutely worth it.
Flashbang Holster bra carry. Not particularly fast, but the perp doesn't also probably assume you are carrying, being a female. Fairly comfy for a smaller gun. Even works for small gals.
Thanks for all your info!
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A holster-bra? How creative!
I once heard of a holster demonstration involving a lovely long-haired lady wearing only a swimsuit while on the stage. When she drew, the pistol appeared from underneath all that hair. For most guys and some gals? That was probably the last place they were looking - but wow! Talk about catching the crowd by surprise! =)
@@PurrsPlace It's actually a holster that fits inside the bra and snaps around the very middle of the bra, so you can wear your own bra. It's very secure and totally trigger protected and easy to draw. It's very comfortable. I think it's totally practical.
@@C-hp4eh Wow! How cool is that? Comfortable and practical. What's not to like? =)
Thank you for sharing that with me, C!
For me, the main problem with appendix carry is sweeping the femoral artery. Especially when sitting. That can be fatal, even if everything else about it is great.
Yea, I personally don’t feel comfortable for this reason.
He actually brought up some bad points.
@@ruffianotv Agree, and he did mention the problem of sweeping the femoral artery.
@Loanword Eggcorn he's off on alot of his stuff. He always mentions the bad and never how to get out of it. It's all basic stuff he mentions. On my channel I started I will be going over realism.
@@ruffianotv The format here is brief. I think we agree that one can't cover everything in a few minutes. Mas got the basics right. He definitely mentioned major benefits of Appendix carry too.
Thanks again Massad Ayoob. Still transitioning to appendix carry. Thank you as well for youre above grade leadership at the 2nd amendment foundation. A lot of great things happening with such a great leader at the head.
I've always held the belief we should look at our gun as we put it back in the holster regardless of where it's sitting. It's too easy for clothing to slip in at the same time. And if you're putting it back in the holster that means you've determined the threat to be over so taking that one second to look is a none issue.
I see zero need to be tacticool while holstering, just my opinion for a added layer of safety.
Things have a reason in a sensible World. Whilst its a bit of a stretch to assert the World has any sense - at all! At least there is a clear reason why Mr Ayoob has been a voice worth lending an ear for... well for respectful diplomacy to 'age' ( for both of us! ) shall we simply call it decades. I carried for my Govt and listened politely to all the ( brief ) training. But stayed whole, sane and effective because I paid assiduous attention to this man. Perhaps dating things to say my issue 158 gr LRN 38's got swapped for Federal 125grn SJHP 357! I m sure its been said, I m sure I ve said it. But at risk of worthwhile repetition - thank you Mr A.
Experienced muzzle blast with my hand once from a .44 mag. Can't imagine if it had been my twig and berries instead. Excellent point.
I'm glad to see this Video Mas, thank you for posting it. I remember reading you in the Magazines in my Teens. I have been Appendix carrying since 1982, within a month or so of graduation from the Police Academy. I carried that way off duty and I carried my Back up there while working in Uniform, and then in plain clothes and as a Detective. Only during Twice yearly Qualifying did I wear it on the Strong side belt because the job or at least the Fire Arms and Tactics section required it. I start with My Model 10, then with the Model 36. Once off Probation I carried my 459 there and eventually my 1006, which I carry that way til this day. I find it very comfortable and easy to access. I shoot well and can indeed draw quickly with it in that position. Then again after 41 years I should be able too.
As always, great advice. Thank you.
Speaking from my personal experience, During a practice session, I had a spent case enter my holster while trying to reholster my pistol. The spent case applied pressure to the trigger. However, the pistol was a P226 DA/SA and I was riding the hammer. Therefore, no discharge. That made a believer out of me.
I don’t doubt that appendix carry is fast, or can be. I also, like you have had my reservations. I have tried it - actually bought one holster designed for AIWB and found it was not very comfortable at all when doing normal things besides carrying a pistol concealed. I found a simple JM Custom Kydex AIWB in the Nelson traditional design to work better, but still had days where it was uncomfortable. I have paid attention to Spencer Keepers’ products, but also have a small hernia right where the holster would ride and haven’t been very anxious to get surgery. Furthermore, I’ve heard post surgery problems continuing and can see a holster riding on scar tissue being just as painful. I will continue to carry strong side as I have for the past 30-some years. In the end, it’s to each his or her own, but please get good gear and proper training to use it.
Thanks for the insights and pro/con of wearing appendix carry holster. The safe holstering of a gun is often left out when others discuss the topic. I would add that the belt with your chosen appendix holster should be considered. Not all belts are the same with all holsters.
Mas your dry humor is what makes these videos…to us the rest is obvious 100% best info from one of the greats…some may not have much up front that could get n front of the gun either
As a small guy I just pocket carry the old LCP Max. I can bring it anywhere without a metal detector with two spare 12 round mags (37 justice packets in total) even in small summer shorts. Sometimes in the winter when I'm wearing heavy clothing I'll carry appendix or 4 o'clock with a compact, but not often as it is far less comfortable. I know some people wouldn't be okay with the level of stopping power but the reliability and accuracy is actually pretty astounding, and shot placement even with a 45 is the most important thing. The amount of reps I've done to be smooth out of the pocket is high and I practice with snap caps every day to keep myself in good shape. If you value true invisibility and the ability to constantly have your EDC I highly recommend putting in the training effort and getting over the ego hit of carrying such a small gun.
Thank you for this video explaining this topic. As someone who tried appendix for a long time before moving to 3 o clock, it makes a lot more sense now. Being a farmer in a seated position in a vehicle that bounces a lot, I've found that an iwb holster at 3 o clock is right for me.
Thanks again Mas for an articulate and well thought out presentation with a focus on critical thinking skills. I don't normally utilize appendix carry because as a life long cross trained martial arts instructor I prefer the 3 o'clock position to keep my hips and pelvic girdle unencumbered. However, as an NRA Instructor, when I am training my younger personal defense students who are utilizing the appendix carry positions I demo and instruct them on exactly the techniques and concepts you presented in this video. I start them off with a confirmed/empty firearm and proceed from there once they have demonstrated a basic competency of the skills you presented in this video.
I tried OTWB hip carry for about two weeks . I found it very uncomfortable just to carry it , sitting down or driving was very uncomfortable . I switched to appendix carry and never looked back , way more comfortable and I can even do my daily activities without any issues .
Thx, but I am still OWB, strong side at 4 o'clock due to comfort and draw. 20+ years this way! Always enjoy your, Ken, and Bill's videos!
Very well balanced and informative video. You made a great point about getting your belt up higher. The few times I've tried appendix carry I felt okay while standing, but couldn't get comfortable when seated. The gun barrel always seemed to poking me somewhere no matter what adjustments I made with the holster's position or angle.
Some AIWB holstee manufacturers produce soft foam wedges to help with precisely that issue. Might be looking into
I would like your opinion on cross draw, I have carried in public only cross draw or shoulder carry over 50 years, in the pasture with 1911s I sometimes carry right hip straight drop. Cross draw seems fast. Great presentation Thanks.
I drive for a living so I spend a lot of time in my car. I found that in order to draw from a behind the hip holster while sitting in a bucket car seat I had to lean forward to create enough space to get a grip on the pistol. If an assailant is at your driver's side car window when you draw, by leaning forward you're exposing the back of the head and neck to them. You also can't effectively use your weak hand to fend off an attacker while drawing. An appendix holster offers a far easier draw while seated and doesn't compromise your ability to defend with the weak hand while drawing.
This is going to be GOOD I have to come back and watch this and totally scrutinize. I was an NRA LEO Instructor for 20+ years and NEVER promoted shooting my package. Until I retired and won a SASS Championship. Speed, Movement, Control and Safety. I have seen a shooter draw a lead line down the outside of his trousers. No finger poke in til proper! I Carried a very long time until I trusted myself enough and felt proficient enough. Rule of thumb for me is Carry THE PLACE WHERE YOU TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. After all that's where you will be looking for her! Do not "police" brass while shooting!
What is "police brass"?
@bmaxse emptying your spent shells,collect in hand and place safely in your pocket where you wouldn't trip on them. They would fight them in wounded Officers pockets. One ALWAYS REVERTS TO TRAINING UNDER PRESSURE
I appendix carry most days of the week. I crawl under houses, up in attics, and drive hours at a time. Appendix is the only position that allows me to work and maintain concealment and retention and to have access while driving. I strong side hip carry when I’m wearing a suit or working outside. With appendix carry I can get to my gun while in tight confines like a residential hallway or closet. Clinch pick on the left of centerline and my 365XL on the right of centerline. And as far as re holstering goes, I can’t fathom a reason I would be in a hurry to holster the firearm after defensive use.
Terrific as usual Mr. Ayoob. I have appendix carried since my time in service over 30 years ago and couple that with having been trained in the Israeli method I have no worries of accidental discharge. I train regularly and am comfortable with the time it takes to draw and present the weapon.
Thank you for your service ❤️🤍💙
You're so well spoken
Thank You, outstanding presentation of both the pros and cons!
It's reassuring to hear someone like Mr. Ayoob both talk about the mental aspect of AIWB and that my holstering technique is just as he requires (in his classes). I guess I'm at least doing something right!
I appendix carry snubbies everyday. Comfortable and forget I have it sometimes. I do carry some semiautomatic pistols AIWB but don’t care for it too much. Thanks for the great video.
Great job on giving the pro's and con's. I never thought about the muzzle blast issues.
Agree with the pros and cons of both. I carry both ways but carry different guns in each position. My edc is a P365XL and I carry that at the 4 o clock position. I will also carry a S&W 642 J frame when I am in gym shorts or something light and I will carry that appendix. I don't feel comfortable with a striker fired pistol carried appendix. I would need a revolver or a DA/SA pistol for me to feel comfortable with carrying appendix with the heavier trigger and or hammer to press my thumb against to insure I didn't miss something in the holster or anything else to avoid a ND. Just makes me most comfortable.
I started out at 4:30 iwb and switched to appendix 10yrs ago... once I found
a holster that's so comfortable that
sitting is never a issue, as a matter
of fact I've fallen asleep with it on.
Thanks for this even-handed breakdown of pris and cons