Strong Side vs Appendix Carry - Pros & Cons
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- Jack and Sawyer go over some of the advantages and potential disadvantages to appendix carry and strong side carry. Some people prefer one over the other, and some can pull off both. There are a lot of variables that can determine which method of IWB carry will work best for you. We highly recommend trying multiple ways of carrying and picking the one that works best for you.
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I'd love to hear more about Sawyer's dry fire drills. boy's got one hell of a draw and a even more impressive reload.
Agree 💯 percent
We plan on doing a dry fire specific video at some point!
@@Tier1Concealed awesome!! Can’t wait to see what you guys come out with!
Yeah, Sawyer is almost illegally fast. But then all these guys in the Tier 1 group have impressive draws. I wonder if they have a video where they compete with each other to see who the Top Pistolero in Tier 1 is.
not sure he hit anything xD
Thank you for showing what training can do. Not long ago people thought a sub second draw from strong side was a unicorn.
Very impressive, guys.
The motions are much bigger for strong-side draw. And lifting the t-shirt around the hip definitely seems a bigger challenge.
I carry strong -side when I wear a suit with the shirt tucked in, but appendix the rest of the time. Now I need to work on the sub-second draw from each of them.
Struggled with how uncomfortable appendix carry was, until I added a wedge and raised up the ride height. Now its a winner.
I carry 4oclock because the same reason I'm always bending over fixing water lines and that draw is inspiration!
Thanks, yall are the first ive heard mention hernia issues
Wow! Yalls skill level is just unreal. So impressive. I'm interested to know what made Sawyer swap over to the M&P platform?
Great points to both types of carry. I'm 1.05 on average from 3:30 carry. I say get a sidecar appendix rig and strong side carry holster to see what you like more. The sidecar spreads out the pressure against the stomach to make it more comfortable. I like having the gun appendix more for retention purposes and strong side for safety reasons.
Love seeing you guys all push the envelope of skillset.
Thanks so much!
Dang fellas you fast as F. Wish I had a place to train. NJ hates guns. Can’t wait to move to a free state.
Hope u are able to move soon bro
As a heavier person, I am going to go with appendix...I am used to carrying OWB strong side in a duty holster. So I have been carrying IWB strong side....but again....I am in the car a lot, and I would rather have access to my gun. I have also lost a tad bit of weight...so I am going to try appendix and see how it goes.
It's actually much easier to stop you from drawing with the Appendix Carry, especially on the ground. I can literally pin your hand to your belly. Strong Side is farther away from your opponent especially if you turn your body sideways. On the ground, it's probably better because your opposite will not be able to easily get it, if you're opposite is on top of you they might just be sitting on it or they might feel it and go for it while in a dominant position.
Yeah, valid points, but it totally depends on the situation.
Thats a great point that I've never considered, I guess the trick is to find the method that has the fewest negatives and the most positives for you, seeing as no method of carry is perfect. I'm 5'10 175lbs, AIWB in a t-rex sidecar does the trick for me. I can carry a G45 / Holosun TLR7, with a 507C X2 with a flush fit mag in the gun and a 19 round spare and I feel good with that setup.
Great videos guys. Awesome comparison. I was a owb 4-5 o'clock guy for years and switched to aiwb about 2 years ago and never looked back. For me aiwb offers more control and comfort riding in a vehicle and conducting LEO operations in plain clothes. Like you guys pointed out you have to experiment and find what works for you and train train train.
Thanks for sharing!
Your agency allows you to carry aiwb? Thats pretty sweet!
As a taller thinner framed guy aiwb is about my only realistic option if I want to actually have a full size gun on. With my Agis and Axis holsters the go to combo is dcc clip on mag side and plastic clip on gun side. Creates a flat profile on the belt for the shirt to sit against. Not necessary for everyone but a winning combo for me.
When it comes to sitting inside of a car... I have a pouch/liner that is attached to the front seat of my car and I have an extra AIWB holster that sits and fits inside of that pouch nice and snug... No matter how I carry it makes driving more comfortable especially on long drives...
A very impressive, even-handed assessment.
Could watch this all day
M&P for Sawyer !! Thats cool , I shoot M&Ps better than anything else
I will say, from a quality of life perspective I really dislike having to manipulate my holster every time I go to the restroom.
I would really like y'all to show your dry fire regiment to build draw speed
to be honest, I don't think many of us dry fire that much... something we should definitely work on
Horizontal fly underwear makes a huge difference for using the restroom with AIWB holsters. Haven't seen anyone mention that and figured I'd share
I am a Surgical technologists and I have seen 3 different men blow off there hotdogs while appendix carrying. Kind scary. I have also seen 4 different people put rounds into their legs and hit important arteries. I won't do appendix carry due to this!! Can yall do a tuckable inside the waist band strong side video? That would be super cool
Absolutely! We already make a few! Check out the T1-Echo holster which is a dedicated strong side holster or the XIPHOS V2 or T1-M which can also be carried strong side. They’re all tuckable.
I don’t think you’re being truthful.
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Ok so what happened now their ducks are just gone? Or were they able to sew it back on??????
@@radjamss6390 no it is gone!! There is no sewing it back on. They gat a Supra public catheter for the rest of their lives. There are prosthetics but sex is over!!
That PDP is a game-changer! My favorite striker-fired pistol under $1000. I have a 508T on top with Floyds Custom magwell and mag extensions. Fits my hand extremely well, having 3XL hands.
George Floyd's magwell
I know this vid is just about speed, but I really feel that Apendix drills wasn't that fair, you had both hands pretty on the front and I think one in the need isn't always like that. For sure it's a more natural position, but if you're walking or avoiding danger you would have both hands to a side. Also, if you need to take cover fast, the first thing you want is a car, behind the front part, probably, and crouching wouldn't be that comfortable.
That was reallly good, it look liked he had the walther pdp that trigger outtta the box has a very short reset, you can really get some fast double taps, Great Jobbbbb 💯❤️🥳
Thank you!!
Wow, first time watching this channel, but they're both incredibly quick. The guy with the PDP (I have a C4) is insanely fast after the first trigger pull! I've only ever done IWB and OWB at 4:30, but am considering AIWB for both my PDP and Hellcat. I always figured the Cat would work, but PDP would be too big. Now rethinking that.
You can conceal literally anything at the appendix position. It’s the most ideal position for full size guns. I carry a PDP/Glock 17 etc no problem AIWB.
@@carryeveryday910 The challenge I've found is I have a comp (PMM) and light (Olight Baldr Mini) and there doesn't seem to be a AIWB that will accommodate them. Both my current OWB and IWB were built for this combo. If you know the PMM, it takes a special block fixture to put it on and off, so simply removing it a few times a week isn't practical, I almost never do, and I do not want to invest in a second light just for the sake of a holster manufacturer uninterested in supporting my setup. My 509T is set up for 50 yards, and my OBM's laser is set to 25 as a backup should the battery die unexpectedly in the RDS.
The other thing. I wish we had a 2nd camera on the target so we could see that they are actually putting shots on target lol
Rather than drawing a gun quickly it is more effective to just stab the assailant with the pencil... WAIT!!! We need Tier 1 concealed TACTICAL POCKET PROTECTORS! lmao. Great video guys and nice shooting as always!
lol!
Spara under a jacket/coat is my go to right now 👍🏾
Heck yeah, love that setup!
Would like to see a video on dry fire practice!
Noted!
I will say this guy's, by no means am I an expert but if carrying appendix in a vehicle you should never put your seatbelt between your holster and body. Adjust your pants and holster and leave the belt outside of your gear. It seems counter intuitive, what Sawyer said is what I thought for years, I don't want my gun and holster inside my gut... But the way the belts and our hips are designed you will do yourself even worse by moving the belt between your holster and body. Don't take my word for it, do your own research. Cheers
Love my M&P. My next blaster is either going to be a PDP compact or a P10C. Leaning towards the Walther
I currently carry a p10c and I love it. My next pew is more than likely going to be the pdp-f 4 inch. I don't have small hands and I know it's geared towards small handed folk but I held one at a LGS and it felt amazing. Plus I prefer to carry compact (glock 19) sized pews.
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The CZ P10c seems to be more of a Midsize compared to a compact. But maybe CZ considers Midsize a compact
@@2aisabsoluteTim it's almost the exact same size as a glock 19.
@@rhinosauserous I'm to buy one soon and can't wait
@@2aisabsoluteTim nice. Enjoy.
interesting 430 position is the most comfortable and I don't even feel the gun on my back when sitting or driving. appendix on the other hand I feel it everywhere at all times and too much pressure on my waist and stomach for long days.
You guys are total speed Rockstars!
Another simple but so helpful vid. Like the other commenters, how about some conversation about pant size with the various carry types. Larger, stretchy, lower waisted, etc.
Stretchy is always good, I think we can agree on that. Most of us just wear normal pants in the same size as we normally would.
I love the drill/training videos. Would like to see yall run some drills comparing glock43x sized guns to the glock 19 sized ones.
Great information! Very well thought out video.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm currently deciding between the spara and the mora. A video comparing the benefits / concealability of the two would be helpful for those of us who are new to owb concealed. I'm not sure which would be the best choice for me.
That one really just comes down to level of retention. Most people would opt for the SPARA unless they absolutely need the level 2 retention of the MORA holster. Otherwise they are identical.
Thank you. I suppose for the most the only time you really need retention is open carry when everyone knows you have it.
Does the mora conceal less effectively due to the retention band/hood? Or is added size negligible?
Potentially, yes. That hood makes it slightly thicker at the top where the slide is
Very nice fellas you guy are insane on the draw 👌🏻
thank you! lots of reps!
@@Tier1Concealed a video breakdown from the tier1 team on how to get A faster and more consistent draw would be cool! I know most of it is reps but maybe it could provide perspective for guys who are struggling to move up to that level.
Will y'all go over what made you try new pistol setups? I've been debating switching from Glock. 👍🔥.
Ive tried a Tier 1 holster for appendix and my belly is in the way. Ive tried everything possible and its the most uncomfortable and hardest position for me.
A breakdown in slower speeds your movements to clear garments. It’s fun watching how fast you are but not so helpful when trying to really see what you are doing.
good feedback, thank you!
@@Tier1Concealed I've been digging into your content and it is top notch stuff. Thanks for considering my comment.
Strong side for Fall & Winter jacket weather…AIWB for Spring & Summer shorts & T shirts.
Better to carry in the same position all the time. Prevents the training scar of reaching for a gun at appendix that you are carrying strong side and vice versa because you keep switching positions.
nice work guys. plan on getting an appendix rig from you guys soon.
Right on!
I was appendix until recently. Chest/stomach hairs pulling on draws, even when the holster was pushed off to the side just got old after awhile and i’m too lazy to shave lmao
I wish I could do strong side IWB. My hips and love handles make it uncomfortable. I prefer aiwb for edc/concealed or owb strong side for edc/concealed(occasionally) but strictly owb strong side for duty belt/battle belt.
What did you think of the M&P? I carry a full size ported performance center M&P 2.0 with 4.25 inch barrel and I love shooting that gun.
Impressive shooting boys!
excellent discussion.
I’ve trained both positions, totally prefer appendix carry for my edc concealed self defense set up. Hands down! Strong side for range day (Battle belt) set up is most favorable.
Yea for speed it's Good. However. What about situational instances. People get the drop on you in front. Gun at your head and facing you. You cannot pull appendix. Say they want your wallet. You have a better chance strong side drawing and catching them by surprise regardless how quick your appendix draw is
@@chancetolbert4852 if someone has the drop on me with a firearm, it doesn’t matter where my gun is, you’re going to lose that battle! If someone has the drop on me, has a gun pointed at me and asks for my wallet, they’re getting my fucking wallet. The best part of force on force trainings are dealing with situations exactly like this.
@@StrollaLawDefense I've seen countless situations where pulling from the drop saved people's lives. It's not ideal. But there are plenty of situations where it's necessary.
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@@chancetolbert4852 I agree. However, if the perfect moment isn’t chosen or just one small mistake is made, it’s your life vs your wallet (Per the given scenario). I’ll choose wallet 9/10 times.
Appendix will be fastest, for me I only do 4 o’clock when I wear suits.
Open carry strong side is pretty fast too. Concealed strong side or 4 o’clock is a little slower.
I do agree on the shirt size. One size up so that it is slightly looser conceals better. The Tier One Concealed shirts actually fit perfectly for concealing.
Darker shirts and/or shirts with patterns (plaid/aloha) and unusual threading (waffle knit/quilted) helps a lot.
Generally strong side carry is best for me when I’m carrying with a X300 on the gun.
Enlightening, and nice shooting!
thank you!
This time of year if I'm going to ware a jacket i will carry on the hip but i still like carrying appendix the best really but it all depends on what i have to do that day really.
Man, it's frightening watching you guys jam striker fired pistols back into your holsters, full force, pointed right at vital organs. Floppy t-shirts and all. This coming from someone who carries appendix with a striker fired pistol. Slow and methodical will save Frank & Beans, and your femoral artery.
You find driving more comfortable carrying appendix than 4 o’clock? I definitely don’t.
Yes
Sitting down with it at 4 digs into my hip something fierce no matter how much adjusting I do. Appendix requires me to move it a bit but way more comfortable. Granted it’s not a fair comparison because my appendix carry gun is smaller and lighter
I wish when people when they do these draws they actually show the target and where they hit. Maybe do a split screen
we do that in most of our videos where we shoot a qualification or shooting "standard"
Grappling needs to be talked about
I need a winter carry holster...Another Tier 1 holster , lol . I need my head examined , I have 7 of them already and I dont work there. Wish i did though
Haha that’s awesome!! We appreciate you and the support 💪🏼💪🏼
If never owned a designated appendix carry holster, but everytime ive put it there thenslide just digs in my stomach. And barrel in crotch. If i didnt have to ait ever or drive id do it
Someone beat Sawyer in a drill? I'm floored. I think it's the PDP, it shoots fast.
Way to completely discredit the shooter
Jack is an absolute beast on the gun. He'll shoot anything well, but that PDP is still pretty sweet.
@@esolo114 if that's what you understood from my comment, who am I to convince you otherwise.
@@Tier1Concealed I noticed. He's fast. His draws are amazing.
@@bulabroha keep crying. I got buckets for more eye lubricants.
@Sawyer
Why did you decide to go with the m&p 2.0
2.0 with an apex trigger and sro is a game changer. Donovan Point 1 Tactics is also very persuasive...
@@Tier1Concealed nice gun and Apex is definitely a game changer, for all the parts they make for the various guns on their list.
+1 appendix 👍 +1 strong side when at range
I received my msp pro series about a week ago. Awesome great quality holster! Any tips on how I can get to a consistent subsecond other than dry fire and using a shot timer? Tia.
Just takes a lot of reps and practice. I’d recommend filming yourself in dryfire as well as live fire. You can learn a lot just by watching yourself and eliminating unnecessary movements.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Woo hoo you got a love the M&P.
YEAH SON I WILL NEVER CARRY A GUN POINTED AT MY HOTDOG - GOD BLESS
We’ve gone over this. NEVER put your seat belt between your stomach and your pistol/holster. Place the seat belt over your lap/in front/over of your holster.
It’s a shame that these dudes don’t know this.
we've all heard bad stories from both ways...
@@Tier1Concealed I get this from Phlster th-cam.com/video/8V5Qg-v0cIY/w-d-xo.html
Quick question boys, I have had hernia surgery right where I appendix carry and it is beyond uncomfortable now, any thoughts
Haha nevermind. If I watch the whole video before commenting I would have heard it.
Is the xiphos holster able to work appendix and strong side? I have one and have used it in both positions. Seems to work well but I am one of this “larger guys”.
absolutely!!
Now for lefties driving that's a different story. Any left handed in the T1C to appear in videos?
Not that I know of! maybe we'll find someone somewhere haha
I’ll shoot left handed for a video, give me 6 months to practice 😂
@@Tier1Concealed lol hired!!
Tier 1 make great holster👍👍
thank you!!
Let me preface with i carry AIWB and Strong side depending on my clothing. Why would the reload be faster when you can carry your secondary mag in the front just like appendix when you carry strong side? That comment made zero sense. Who carries their mag anywhere but the front? Even if you carry strong side, your mag is in the front. Yes, the Draw can be faster, but what 0.03 seconds faster? Negligible and irrelevant unless you are running something like the fast drill. Even then, strong side doesn't prevent you from passing. Only down side with AIWB if you have a ND it will probably hit an artery and you are in serious trouble. Strong side, with my EDC, that is not a concern since the barrel is never in line with my body. Strong side, holstered, if my EDC goes off, not a big deal. AIWB...you are screwed, especially if sitting.
will it happen, probably not. but you are throwing out a ton of what-ifs.
A lot of people do carry a spare mag on their hip or just behind it, some people carry it appendix, depends on the individual. And we've all seen pictures of strong side carry guns going off and hitting their hip, butt, or leg.
I just cannot seem to get quicker no matter how much dry practice I get
How does the echo feel when sitting in a vehicle?
Definitely depends on what gun you’re carrying and who you ask! For most people it’s honestly not bad if you find the right location on your hip!
Is Clark’s m&p full-size? 4.25?
Yep!!
Wait…. Is that the PDP Pro?
no I think its just the standard 4.5" full size
I would like to see you sit down at a table for dinner with an appendix holster. I tried last week. It dug into my legs bad. Previous holster dug into my gut bad. I can't keep buying holsters hoping something works.
I do it at every meal. Carry it 10-15 hours a day
@@Clarkshooter Likewise for over 15yrs and I carry a full size gun. Larger guns are more comfortable then smaller guns which can dig in or pinch, but both are easily.doable
How tight do you wear your belt and do you do any adjustments prior to sitting? I usually wear my belt to where my holster is just snug and I pull up on my belt line just before sitting down. Shouldn’t dig into your gut unless you have your belt on too tight. Carrying a 5” M&P 2.0 w/ X300U and I’m 5’4” 175 lbs.
Pants with a stretchy waistband are so helpful. Plenty are out there. And a KORE adjustable belt or equal.
I do it all day every day. It has become normal for me, I feel strange without my appendix rig. I only take off my Axis Elite to shower and sleep (and to go to Disneyland).
Any appendix holsters for the shadow cr 920 with the streamlight tlr-7 sub yet
Are these all full size guns?
Yep!
3oclock for me, especially on events where there is a lot of people present, massad style, empty chamber. We are not at war, carry accordantly.
Empty chamber is stupid. The attacker won’t wait for you to chamber a round. There’s easily found examples of where this has gotten people hurt or killed. It only gives the enemy more time to have the drop on you.
You’re not at war until you are, and as a defender, you don’t have the luxury of deciding when the war starts.
That gun is useless with an empty chamber
Don't waste your money with this company. First holster was a dud, that they did fix. Second holster lasted less than a year. Told me under warranty buuuut, they aren't set up to replace it. Now they don't respond to emails. T Rex Arms holsters for the win!!
Hey man! I’m sorry to hear all of that, that’s definitely not like us. Could you send us a DM on instagram or email me directly aaron@tier1concealed.com I want to see what the deal is. Our warranty is lifetime and we want to get you taken care of.
Stop making videos and make my holster I’m ready for it to get here 😂
We're on it!
As a fat guy, my muffin top pushes out the grip of my hand gun. And my M&P9 will catch on my shirt and hold it up.
I tell you what…you boys are qwickern Tom Johnson’s cat…
A "belly-shelf"? We call it a "tactical shelf" lol
Shoot after 2 surgeries mines a full arsenal shelf. 😂
if you want to be a hypocrite who preaches on the 4 cardinal rules of gun safety but carry appendix, go ahead. but if you want to be like vincent the real deal, well done.
now do this from a car where you have to defend yourself.
we plan on making a video on that topic!
Appendix carry is stupid . The draw strike makes it look like you are exposing yourself.
For taking a wiz, I lift the belt up, unzip, and thread through. Eazy breezy.