Percy Jackson: My father is Poseidon. As such, I can manipulate water and basically control every other domain he covers Bellerophon: My father is Poseidon. As such, I can make a horse jump really well
Well yeah pjo is fiction only inspired by greek mythology, Rick made a whole bunch of sh*t up (which can easily be spotted by any one who actually is interested/knows Greek mythology from a mile away). Percy Jackson is really just a pg OC fanfic (originally made for kids), and thats very LOOSELY based on actual Greek mythology 😂 Why do you think red said that at 0:36
Since that one spirals out into a full on saviour complex alongside being blindsided by being manipulated by Palpatine preying on said complex... Well executed counter example
His flaw was wrath, fueled by obcession eine might call love . . . But for he did not actualy care about them, like, considering what they wanted and was just as likely to kill them as killing someone hurting them . . . He was more posessiv than protectiv . . .
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 Nah demigods weren't allowed on Olympus except in special occasions. Hell, even some of the gods weren't allowed on Olympus most of the time.
"After some confusing incedent involving some divine intervention from Poseidon and a whole bunch of naked women" and you're just going to skip it? That's cruel Red, that's cruel.
Basically what happens is Poseidon floods the area the guards are in and the women of the city, not wanting the men (who were probably a few of their husbands) to die come out and start stripping. They try to seduce Bellephron, who gets so embarrassed he just calls the flood off to save himself the hassle.
The "Cares About Others TOO Much" flaw only works if it makes the character dangerously risky and a real threat to themselves. If the antagonist can use it to play the protagonist like a puppet, then yeah its a problem. Otherwise you just have a normal friend.
True or the character will not play into the antagonists hands but have difficulty letting go if this character is faced with having to seperate for a task they will be unable to let go they might even shirk the task set before them with importance beyond their own self this is a fault of a certain character cough cough percy jackson cough cough
This actually IS Percy’s flaw in the Percy Jackson books. He is too loyal and willing to sacrifice himself for his friends. When Grover or Beth get kidnapped, Percy is more willing to give up on the quest to save them then to grab the objective. Heck, this even happens in the first book with his mom! (These books are really good)
Or cares about others too much to the point of neglecting their own emotional needs, thus making their relationships with others unbalanced and giving them a serious case of pent-up resentment (that naturally rears its head at the worst possible time).
I’ve only seen one case where this works, and that’s Mana Aida from Doki Doki Precure, her fatal flaw was that she was selfless to the point of self-destruction. It’s even hi-lighted in an episode where-despise being sick and REALLY should stay in bed, she goes out to help with her school’s festival, and just makes her sickness worse. She rightly gets called out and told that this is self-destructive behavior and it’s ok to be selfish sometimes if it’s for your own health.
Red: if the worst thing you can say about your hero is that he just likes his friends too much, that’s not a character flaw Me: *screams in Percy Jackson*
Jumping in to hell save your girlfriend instead of staying on the surface to fight the Earth… Can’t get more fatally loyal than that. *I know the doors had to be unchained on both sides but it’s the principle of the matter
Hey horse riding is the lamest of Posideon's powers other options are speaking to horses (can make learning to ride easy while also allowing you to helo allies and mess with enemies) and water obeys me. So while extremely useful it is about the worst he can get.
@@lucaswinsor4469 honestly, there should be a YA novel about three half-siblings who are all children of Poseidon and each have one of Poseidon’s main deific traits as a super power: the oldest gets ocean powers and is the fearless leader, the middle gets earthquake powers and is the unruly wildcard, and the youngest, the main character, gets horse powers. They are considered the weakest by their older siblings, but over time, they prove to be mighty in their own right, likely taming the Pegasus and maybe even forming an alliance with the centaur clans or something.
The story of Bellerophontes apparently comes from Book VI of the _Iliad,_ when Glaukos, a grandson of Bellerophontes and a Lykian ally of the Trojans, basically drops down his weapons and proceeds to explain his *entire genealogy* to the Greek warrior Diomedes after challenging him to single combat. Diomedes then realized that *his* grandfather Oeneos was once a host to Bellerophontes, and declared that he and Glaucus must also be friends. Funny how things like that work out.
Boss Isaac I KNOW I just got to that point in the Iliad and I ended up just staring at it for about five minutes. THIS IS NOT A THING THAT YOU DO IN A BATTLE JEEZ. (Bothered me more than it should do but ah well)
I personally like to think that Diomedes just recognized him without having to hear the whole story (which was written for the audience's sake to explain why Diomedes would suddenly befriend this guy).
You’re forgetting how Diomedes basically conned the guy, because when he head the story he said “yo we’re supposed to be friends, let’s switch armor and weapons as a symbol of how friendship can prevail in war.” The thing is, Glaukos’ armor and weapons were actually better than Diomedes’, so he just got scammed
@@Karak-_- It plays into his impulsivity and makes him somewhat predictable on the larger scale. We also see he struggles a lot with a borderline pathological sense of responsibility and need to be at the front of the conflict. In the third book he chases after a monster solo rather than go back to grab his friends at least in part because a new character who's entered the scene has started to edge in on that role and he's feeling irritated and a little threatened by it, and it took outright deus ex machina to swing things firmly in the heroes' direction as a result of that.
O.O...i never saw it like that. moral of the story: Just do what your betters tell you, if you try to make your own destinations, you're going to die >w
Just an angry, potentially Immortal, scary pirate. Somehow if that guy grew up today, I get the feeling that he would listen to a lot of metalcore, wear bulletbelts and have a mohawk. Just sayin.
Nikolaj Steffensen According to a little searching, one version of the myth told by Plutarch in his On the Virtues of Women is that Poseidon sent a huge flood to follow behind Bellerophon. Bellerophon by that point was very mad that Lobates was trying to kill him, so he planned to lead the flood into the city and destroy everything. Fortunately, the women of the palace decide to run out without their clothes, and Bellerophon turns back because he's embarassed, bringing the flood back with him.
That is insane. And this is GREEK MYTHOS we're talking about here, there is a giant, golden, WINGED PIG that popped out of a dead Gorgon's neck stump...WITH A WINGED HORSE TOO.
It's less that Percy likes his friends too much and more that he'd forget about the greater good to save someone in danger right in front of him. Athena mentioned he'd do the same thing for a total stranger. His fatal flaw is a lack of forethought. The problem with it is that it never had any real consequences in the books, just caused a few extra problems.
Then the author should have the flaw be a lack of forethought, instead of having folks express that his flaw is liking his friends too much! XD but if it didn't generate any consequences then its STILL not even a flaw! this is why we give criticism!
He have a good concept, character like any other happy newbie protagonist introduced to a magic world for the first time with a flaw but if you place logic in the story it would end in a very tragic way.I would find that more interesting if he was given ANY logical character development scene that plays with his emotional and mental state in a worst way possible as a direct consequence of his actions since that's how he only learns, by experience it no matter how painful it can be in the end. But if that would happen then he would become emotional distraught, have major PTSD, Hallucinations and difficulty assimilating to a normal life as he is practically a child soldier and slave to beings who will kill him if he does not obey. It would end up pretty dark, not all smiles and jokes as the book portrays it to be. There was character death but it never had much impact on his development making him almost seems apathetic and unrelatable in the end. Reading the books again I may almost call him a Gary Sue A good example of a story with a realistic character development and setting similar to the PJ books would be the anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica, the main character was introduced to a magical world hidden from the real world and seems happy due to the existence of Magic but later realized that it only makes things far more complicated and dark as it boils down to a violent gang war for both power and survival. Percy would definitely end up like Sayaka, they have the sea-theme going on and cared for their friends too much which would becomes their downfall.
Hmmm no, the Noble Phantasm is the bridle she puts in the Pegasus which she can summon, it's called Bellerophon probably because she basically puts it on Pegasus similar to what he did in 2:25, this NP can also be used by Perseus so I guess that anyone related to Medusa or Pegasus can use it.
Some Ancient Greek: "Hey, gods live on that easily climbable mountain over there." Everybody except Bellerophon: "Sounds good. Let's never check that." Bellerophon: "Neat. I'm gonna move in." And we never heard from him again
I watched the new voltron, and it was a ton better than I expected, but my sister really didn't want to watch it b/c she thought it was a lame kids show or something :( I'm glad that show was on Netflix though, very cool
Here's the thing: anything can be a flaw. I think Red said it in one of her Trope Talks but literally anything can be a flaw or a virtue depending on the story. 'Loving your friends' is on first sight a good thing but what if you have to choose between saving Friend A or B? Being nice is a good thing until it lets people take advantage of you. Anything can be a flaw, it's up to the author to craft a world that puts those traits to the test. There's a reason so many people like Percy Jackson (i know Red doesn't hate the books don't @ me). Percy's flaw isn't his loyalty. Since that's never put to the test it's just a character trait. His flaw is his impulsive nature. He doesn't think things through and he picks fights where he really shouldn't. Sure everything works out for him because he has dope friends and he is the protagonist ergo he has to survive otherwise what is the fucking point. Same with Harry Potter. Actually a lot of protagonists have 'impulsive' as the flaw.
3:01 Here is a quote about that directly from the Wikipedia article on him: the palace guards were sent against him, but Bellerophon called upon Poseidon, who flooded the plain of Xanthus behind Bellerophon as he approached. In defense the palace women sent him and the flood in retreat by rushing from the gates with their robes lifted high, offering themselves.
@@theonegoldengryphon Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the lion swap (I know the original series did it, but I liked the blue-Lance, red-Keith and black-Shiro associations). They handled the swap fairly well for what it was, though. Definitely could've handled it better (by talking about Lance's insecurities, for example). But at least they acknowledged it wasn't an effortless change to make for the characters. Still would've been better if it just hadn't happened, though, I agree.
@@theonegoldengryphon Although the switching-lions arc was one of the few times I really liked Keith. (Don't hate me.) Becoming a leader sucks, OK? I can empathize with that.
yeah, as big a fan of Riodan's work as i am, even I admit Percy's 'flaw' wasn't really one, even Percy himself questions how his loyalty is a flaw though
“Liking your friends too much” isn’t really an accurate summation of Percy’s fatal flaw. He’s unable to put things in greater perspective. He will always choose to save a friend rather than save the world, which is a problem because he happens to be one of the most powerful and important demigods in the series.
@@yourworstenemy yes because that choice was never to save the world or to go with annabeth. Also Percy usually has people around him that will make the choice of save the world for him. Another thing is the fact that if you analyze Percy's weakness under the curse of Achilles, the only way to kill him is a literal backstab. He expects as much loyalty he has towards his friends in return.
The weird thing is, Percy is flawed - It's just that the loyalty thing isn't actually the one that hurts him.Most of the time, his worst flaw isn't loyalty: It's recklessness. He has a very big tendency to charge in without thinking of a plan and try and fly it by the seat of his pants. There's a reason that he's friends with Annabeth: She' s the one who can actually think ahead. Percy's recklessness hurts him far more than his loyalty, usually because he can't resist getting a snarky comment in and ends up pisisng off, like, 5 separate gods as a result. He's not stupid, granted. He is VERY good at improvising a plan and he's, if his internal monologue is any indication, actually surprisingly observant and thoughtful but he tends to act without thinking regardless.
Magic of being the main protagonist. You must always survive no matter how impossible the situation becomes even if it makes you a Mary Sue/the next Jesus
it worked out well for him though... OSP is right, it's not a real flaw. :3 All the time, he's being reminded of his flaw, but it barely had any consequences.
49% Voltron 50% Percy Jackson 1% Overwatch That is the comment section Edit: Jesus Christ I get exactly one notification about this, come back to it, and suddenly it's got 1k likes What the fuck?
to quote someone else in this comment section who could say this better than i could, "it's not that Percy likes his friends too much, but that he's repeatedly chosen personal loyalty over minimizing catastrophic colateral damage"
You'd think Poseidon would've objected or been at least like: P: "wth bro! That's my kid?" Z: "Oops my bad, but he didn't even ask or anything" P: "you killed him" Z: "I've done worse for less and you know it" P: ."..Yep" *awkward silence*
I just discovered this channel yesterday and i have to say it's already my favourite in all YT.I love the way you present mythology as well as your amazing humour.Well done,honestly
Interesting point about the flawed characters in today's stories. I can think of a few but you're mostly right. Biggest exception that jumps out at me is Tywin Lannister. He was both villainous and respectable and died conflicted. He's one of the few characters from that series that I was actually interested in. But like all good things in that series, he was killed off by the great bearded glacier.
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I dunno, I'd say being naturally great with horses sounds like a pretty sweet power to have. Sure, it's no thunderbolts, but I'd still be happy with it 😊
Just noticed your channel exists by youtubing dante's visit to non-living territory. It's great stuff, great presentation, & good voice. Be superb at this 4ever. :D
see Matheus Schroeder's comment >w< it shows up as just above yours for me, and fits perfectly with your statement and how we should as people accept the flaws of our favorite things if we are going to have favorite anythings :P
I mean, I'd argue that it wasn't so much that "caring too much about your friends" wasn't a flaw so much as it was never... used as one. Because the scenarios presented as potential outcomes due to that flaw, namely sacrificing the world's security so that a friend wouldn't die, are definitely not good. "Potential outcomes" is the key term there, though. It never comes up as an actual flaw, only as a convenient way to remind the audience that "everyone is flawed!!!" and to segue into other people's actually used flaws. ^^" But that's just me arguing over semantics, really. Badly used device is still badly used.
I feel like this argument could be used to poorly defend fanfiction. "No, its not a flaw in the official series because its not used as a flaw...but it COULD be!" X3
So if say...a character considers it fine to attend to a friend other than *guard a stolen nuke that a baddie wants to use on a populated area at all times no matter what,* I can call that a flaw? Actually things like that are super sommon tropes...but it's always played as the hero being a great person and not *the most irresponsible person in the world.*
I disagree that "caring about your friends too much" is not a real flaw. You just have to make your character pay for it. Potentially every flaw can be payable.
That is a good flaw to give a character if their friends start to get into shadowy moral areas. "DUDE! Why are you defending that guy? He just bombed civilians!" "Stay away! My friend had to make a hard choice and your nagging it's only making his grief worse!" He says. As his friend does not show any sign of grief. At all.
No I still don't think that should count as flawed hero territory. Selflessness isn't really what makes someone an anti-hero or morally ambiguous. Someone who is doing good things for selfish means (Indiana Jones), does terrible things for a good reason (Handsome Jack in BtPS), or has a very morally grey ethics code (Alucard) are most definitely anti-heroes. However selflessness and self sacrifice to the point of self harm are not character flaws that warrant the same title. They become Martyrs. I wouldn't count Superman killing himself by fighting Doomsday alone (who was stronger than him) and then finishing him off in an impact that not only killed Doomsday but himself also as Anti-Hero material. Or I wouldn't count fire fighters literally risking their lives by jumping into a burning building filled with toxic gas to save others anti-heroes either. What's next Jesus get's the anti-hero label because he loves all mankind to a fault that he allowed himself to be crucified.
“if the worst thing you can say about your character is that they like they’re friends too much, they’re not flawed” exactly peter johnson has no flaws
I'm watching the vid on by bed with my cat and he decides to use me phone as a pillow half way through the show And now he's acting cute as if he did nothing wrong 🐱🐈😽😸
i do not know if this is a good platform for it, but i have a suggestion for an overly sarcastic production about gullivers travels, not the story in the gnomes land but all of the four journeys it is both saracastic and funny for example the war beteen the gnome islands liliput and blefusco was started becuse of the imortal question "from which side should you open an egg?" or mabye the flying island of laputa where every one is so smart that they dont even bother to create a house that has 90 degrees in the corner because the sun will explode after the next billion years... just saying...its nice...
Love the video as always. ^^ I personally disagree with the statement about "They like their friends too much" not being a real flaw. It is if you take it far enough. Speaking as a person who used to be very obsessive in my relationships, it definetly destroyed several of them and getting over that whole mess definetly made me a better person. I know you meant the characters where that's not the case, I just want to give a passing writer some ideas. ^^
Pegase is basically the first captured pokemon : a fusion of two animals captured by a human, while the artefact that captured him forces him to like his trainer.
I dunno, I feel like there were lamer aspects of Poseidon that Bellerophon could have picked up, like the ability to inevitably piss off various goddesses by never having sex in the appropriate temples.
Caring about your friends too much could be a good flaw if it slowly destroys the character who believes their only worth is giving anything and everything up for others, slowly driving them crazy
Wait, so Chrysaor's name means "He who has a *Golden Sword"* and he's depicted as either being a giant boar or having *boar features?* Are we sure that he’s not just like, the father of the Piglins or something?
I've been following you for a while and have only now decided to go back and watch all your stuff... you're even more awesome and I love Voltron, can't wait for season 8 although I'm gonna cry when it finishes...
Ok, just found out about this channel and I know this is a 6 year old video, but I'm subscribing right now. This is just amazing. LOVE the animation, love the voice over. The cadence fits and I love how instead of just droning on and on about some needless material, you jump to the point.
@@GabyGibson I'm just saying, if he mated with a horse then the first centaur was probably one of his children. I know mythology can be weird like that, but I'm confident that having sex with something doesn't give you its anatomical features even in this context. Unless a god cursed him, which does seem to happen often in these stories.
you know i just realized that in Greek myths the amazons seem to get picked on for seemingly no reason. There never seems to be a grudge to settle and they're few if any talk of physical rewards (I think Heracles got a belt out of it)its always just to prove yourself.
the fact that you knew saint seiya made me happy and yes, that hairstyle was unforgivable---but he had a cool spear so I guess that's ok....then shiryu basically smacks him and that's the end of that.
"It goes against the rules of hospitality to murder your house guest."
Zeus, God of Hospitality: "Which is why I killed him *before* he could arrive!"
"You can't murder your houseguests if you never have houseguests"
- Zeus probably
@@williamking6787 it actually makes sense if you think about it
Okay, this made me laugh.
Sisyphus: wait what
@Noah Scheid Zeus has an epithet called Zeus Xenio, which makes him the god of hospitality
Percy Jackson: My father is Poseidon. As such, I can manipulate water and basically control every other domain he covers
Bellerophon: My father is Poseidon. As such, I can make a horse jump really well
Poseidon has favourites clearly
Well I mean Poseidon said Percy was his favorite child
Well yeah pjo is fiction only inspired by greek mythology, Rick made a whole bunch of sh*t up (which can easily be spotted by any one who actually is interested/knows Greek mythology from a mile away). Percy Jackson is really just a pg OC fanfic (originally made for kids), and thats very LOOSELY based on actual Greek mythology 😂
Why do you think red said that at 0:36
@@iliketea1427well, Rick Riordan making shit up also had the consequence of blessing mine and many other childhoods
@@lumonetic1124Amen. I swear to God that his books are what got me reading more.
""he likes his friends too much" isn't a character flaw"
*nervously looks at clone wars Anakin*
Since that one spirals out into a full on saviour complex alongside being blindsided by being manipulated by Palpatine preying on said complex... Well executed counter example
His flaw was wrath, fueled by obcession eine might call love . . . But for he did not actualy care about them, like, considering what they wanted and was just as likely to kill them as killing someone hurting them . . . He was more posessiv than protectiv . . .
1) percy jackson
2) ANAKIN DIDN'T LIKE THOSE YOUNGLINGS AYYYYYYYOOOOOO
Looks at sheild here motuyasu
Extreme pride and ambition, uncontrollable wrath, fear of sand...
"It's against the rules of hospitality to murder your house guests"
*Rains of Castamere begins to play*
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Breaking the rules of hospitality always comes to bite you in the ass. Including the Lannisters and the Freys.
Walter frey gives deslike
*racks crossbow*
@@drecellthealive8912 Wyman Manderly would totally agree.
"I'm gonna ride my half-brother up this mountain!"
-Bellerophon, probably
Ok but wasn't he part god and therefore allowed on Olympis
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 Nah demigods weren't allowed on Olympus except in special occasions. Hell, even some of the gods weren't allowed on Olympus most of the time.
@@melodramaticdragon5826 Zeus's idea?
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 Yea he acts exactly like his father
@@kingmaoh5566 didnt Zeus's dad eat babies
"After some confusing incedent involving some divine intervention from Poseidon and a whole bunch of naked women" and you're just going to skip it?
That's cruel Red, that's cruel.
rockyblacksmith Blame TH-cam
what happened
Probably lots and lots of sex
@@me_irlg2413 It probably begins with "or" and ends with "gee".
Basically what happens is Poseidon floods the area the guards are in and the women of the city, not wanting the men (who were probably a few of their husbands) to die come out and start stripping. They try to seduce Bellephron, who gets so embarrassed he just calls the flood off to save himself the hassle.
The "Cares About Others TOO Much" flaw only works if it makes the character dangerously risky and a real threat to themselves. If the antagonist can use it to play the protagonist like a puppet, then yeah its a problem. Otherwise you just have a normal friend.
Or go full Anakin on this to the point the protag becomes the villan
True or the character will not play into the antagonists hands but have difficulty letting go if this character is faced with having to seperate for a task they will be unable to let go they might even shirk the task set before them with importance beyond their own self this is a fault of a certain character cough cough percy jackson cough cough
This actually IS Percy’s flaw in the Percy Jackson books. He is too loyal and willing to sacrifice himself for his friends. When Grover or Beth get kidnapped, Percy is more willing to give up on the quest to save them then to grab the objective.
Heck, this even happens in the first book with his mom! (These books are really good)
Or cares about others too much to the point of neglecting their own emotional needs, thus making their relationships with others unbalanced and giving them a serious case of pent-up resentment (that naturally rears its head at the worst possible time).
I’ve only seen one case where this works, and that’s Mana Aida from Doki Doki Precure, her fatal flaw was that she was selfless to the point of self-destruction. It’s even hi-lighted in an episode where-despise being sick and REALLY should stay in bed, she goes out to help with her school’s festival, and just makes her sickness worse. She rightly gets called out and told that this is self-destructive behavior and it’s ok to be selfish sometimes if it’s for your own health.
Red: if the worst thing you can say about your hero is that he just likes his friends too much, that’s not a character flaw
Me: *screams in Percy Jackson*
It's not that Percy likes his friends too much, but that he's repeatedly chosen personal loyalty over minimizing catastrophic colateral damage
There's flaws, then there are fatal flaws
Jumping in to hell save your girlfriend instead of staying on the surface to fight the Earth… Can’t get more fatally loyal than that.
*I know the doors had to be unchained on both sides but it’s the principle of the matter
@@slithra227 Yeah its not "he likes his friends too much" its "he'll save his friends over the goddamn world"
@@slithra227 Thats another way of saying he likes his friends so much he is willing to let the world burn. Thats the same thing.
"This pisses off Zeus, cause apparently only he gets to indiscriminately invade other people's homes."
🤣😂🤣
This is so funny because of how true it is
If you piss off Zeus its time to get the nuce.
I mean he is a god so
Zeus: I am the one who breaks and entering
0:37 Red, I'm going to disagree with you on that. Up until about 1900, being an awesome horserider would have been a pretty decent superpower.
Hey horse riding is the lamest of Posideon's powers other options are speaking to horses (can make learning to ride easy while also allowing you to helo allies and mess with enemies) and water obeys me. So while extremely useful it is about the worst he can get.
@@donanthebarbarian5177 Don't forget earthquakes
@@lucaswinsor4469 and storms and cyclones.
@@lucaswinsor4469 honestly, there should be a YA novel about three half-siblings who are all children of Poseidon and each have one of Poseidon’s main deific traits as a super power: the oldest gets ocean powers and is the fearless leader, the middle gets earthquake powers and is the unruly wildcard, and the youngest, the main character, gets horse powers. They are considered the weakest by their older siblings, but over time, they prove to be mighty in their own right, likely taming the Pegasus and maybe even forming an alliance with the centaur clans or something.
when combined with a flying horse :D
The story of Bellerophontes apparently comes from Book VI of the _Iliad,_ when Glaukos, a grandson of Bellerophontes and a Lykian ally of the Trojans, basically drops down his weapons and proceeds to explain his *entire genealogy* to the Greek warrior Diomedes after challenging him to single combat. Diomedes then realized that *his* grandfather Oeneos was once a host to Bellerophontes, and declared that he and Glaucus must also be friends.
Funny how things like that work out.
Boss Isaac I KNOW
I just got to that point in the Iliad and I ended up just staring at it for about five minutes. THIS IS NOT A THING THAT YOU DO IN A BATTLE JEEZ.
(Bothered me more than it should do but ah well)
The Iliad is fuuuuuuun
I personally like to think that Diomedes just recognized him without having to hear the whole story (which was written for the audience's sake to explain why Diomedes would suddenly befriend this guy).
You’re forgetting how Diomedes basically conned the guy, because when he head the story he said “yo we’re supposed to be friends, let’s switch armor and weapons as a symbol of how friendship can prevail in war.”
The thing is, Glaukos’ armor and weapons were actually better than Diomedes’, so he just got scammed
@@professornikos4905 3rd grade cousin?
Wait... Wouldn't that make Bellerophon and Pegasus half brothers?
yes
Yeah...Poseidon got around almost as much as Zeus
Yes yes it would
Riding your brother.
cassie gainer the difference is Poseidon didn’t have a wife who tried to kill them
"No not you Saint Seiya, you already have your chance. That hairstyle is unforgiveable."
*cracks up* XD
I like it. It was cool 80's postpunk style.
"Liking your friends too much is not a character trait"
Kakashi's dad: sweats nervously
Percy jackson's fatal flaw is being too loyal, so
It's a trait. It's not a tragic flaw.
@@twistedtachyon5877 No, in one of the later books the oracle flat out tells Percy that loyalty is is fatal flaw.
@@seekerofalice9787 Ok, and does it actually show it as flaw?
Just saying it's bad without showing how/why seems kind of meaningless.
@@Karak-_- It plays into his impulsivity and makes him somewhat predictable on the larger scale. We also see he struggles a lot with a borderline pathological sense of responsibility and need to be at the front of the conflict. In the third book he chases after a monster solo rather than go back to grab his friends at least in part because a new character who's entered the scene has started to edge in on that role and he's feeling irritated and a little threatened by it, and it took outright deus ex machina to swing things firmly in the heroes' direction as a result of that.
"It's against the rules of hospitality to murder your houseguests."
**MmmmmmmProcrustes**
Crusty
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@@lourdeswhitener9713 yesss lol I cant get over crusty
@@moonlitwarrior513 "I'm crusty"
"Yes you are"
Huh when Bellerophon was sent somewhere by another person he made it out fine but when he went somewhere on his own intent he died
O.O...i never saw it like that.
moral of the story: Just do what your betters tell you, if you try to make your own destinations, you're going to die >w
Huh.
Well the Floor wasn't the place he wanted to be, that was all the decision of Zeus and Gravity.
"I hope you learned your lesson Wheeler, don´t try to do anything ever, you´ll just lose and look like a fucking idiot" - Seto Kaiba
Heracles got to be an Olympian, but Bellerophon didn't
So are only Zeus' kids are allowed, how unfair
I like how Red didn't name the hero she was talking about at 0:20 and everyone just *instantly knows* that it's Seaweed Brain
YES
Lol yeah
Percy is just the embodiment of "my friends are more important to me then THE LITERAL UNIVERSE."
I thought it was Anakin
@@okuyasuniijimura she makes jabs at rick riordan far to much for it not to be percy
I think Riordan's Incarnation of Chryeosor was well done.
Just an angry, potentially Immortal, scary pirate.
Somehow if that guy grew up today, I get the feeling that he would listen to a lot of metalcore, wear bulletbelts and have a mohawk.
Just sayin.
@@demonguysayshi2666 lmao
Yeah, it was amazing
"Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask."
What book?
The absolute shade towards Percy Jackson in this is just supernatural
I mean, she has a point.
she’s right tho, I love those books but they get a little bullshitty sometimes
Red's jabs at Percy Jackson in this video become funnier when you remember the Chimera is the only monster to outright beat him.
"involving poseidon and a whole lot of naked women"
wait what?! okay i would like some context here please?
Nikolaj Steffensen According to a little searching, one version of the myth told by Plutarch in his On the Virtues of Women is that Poseidon sent a huge flood to follow behind Bellerophon. Bellerophon by that point was very mad that Lobates was trying to kill him, so he planned to lead the flood into the city and destroy everything. Fortunately, the women of the palace decide to run out without their clothes, and Bellerophon turns back because he's embarassed, bringing the flood back with him.
^holy shit
That is insane. And this is GREEK MYTHOS we're talking about here, there is a giant, golden, WINGED PIG that popped out of a dead Gorgon's neck stump...WITH A WINGED HORSE TOO.
@@XTriangled ''OH NO, NAKED WOMEN! They can't see me bringing a flood of death! THE HUMILIATION!''
@@XTriangled wow thanks
It's less that Percy likes his friends too much and more that he'd forget about the greater good to save someone in danger right in front of him. Athena mentioned he'd do the same thing for a total stranger. His fatal flaw is a lack of forethought. The problem with it is that it never had any real consequences in the books, just caused a few extra problems.
Then the author should have the flaw be a lack of forethought, instead of having folks express that his flaw is liking his friends too much! XD but if it didn't generate any consequences then its STILL not even a flaw! this is why we give criticism!
He have a good concept, character like any other happy newbie protagonist introduced to a magic world for the first time with a flaw but if you place logic in the story it would end in a very tragic way.I would find that more interesting if he was given ANY logical character development scene that plays with his emotional and mental state in a worst way possible as a direct consequence of his actions since that's how he only learns, by experience it no matter how painful it can be in the end. But if that would happen then he would become emotional distraught, have major PTSD, Hallucinations and difficulty assimilating to a normal life as he is practically a child soldier and slave to beings who will kill him if he does not obey. It would end up pretty dark, not all smiles and jokes as the book portrays it to be. There was character death but it never had much impact on his development making him almost seems apathetic and unrelatable in the end. Reading the books again I may almost call him a Gary Sue
A good example of a story with a realistic character development and setting similar to the PJ books would be the anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica, the main character was introduced to a magical world hidden from the real world and seems happy due to the existence of Magic but later realized that it only makes things far more complicated and dark as it boils down to a violent gang war for both power and survival. Percy would definitely end up like Sayaka, they have the sea-theme going on and cared for their friends too much which would becomes their downfall.
I Think You need to get over Sayaka.
I mean it did cause the revival of Gaia.
his fatal flaw is loyalty
So really it wasn't even his own fault, it was just Zeus being a d*k....
...also known as just being Zeus.
Firestar4041 ikr
I will now use that as an alternate to dicks.
"Dude, stop being such a Zeus."
Bellerophon then: Guy with a victory complex and not really of his own agency.
Bellerophon now: Medusa's AOE Noble Phantasm.
Hmmm no, the Noble Phantasm is the bridle she puts in the Pegasus which she can summon, it's called Bellerophon probably because she basically puts it on Pegasus similar to what he did in 2:25, this NP can also be used by Perseus so I guess that anyone related to Medusa or Pegasus can use it.
Some Ancient Greek: "Hey, gods live on that easily climbable mountain over there."
Everybody except Bellerophon: "Sounds good. Let's never check that."
Bellerophon: "Neat. I'm gonna move in."
And we never heard from him again
Guess we know why nobody checks.
Easily climable mountain?!! Olympus is like a few kilometres tall and massively steep
I'm in 3 different fandoms and they were all somewhat referenced. Percy Jackson, Voltron, and Overwatch.
PJOOOOOOO
I watched the new voltron, and it was a ton better than I expected, but my sister really didn't want to watch it b/c she thought it was a lame kids show or something :( I'm glad that show was on Netflix though, very cool
How about we add Fate/Stay Night to the mix?
And maybe Fate because Rider needs more love
@@hairglowingkyle4572 and her Noble Phantasm is this dude as a Flying horse!
"Hey kid, you like proving yourself right?"
This quote is seen all too often.
Here's the thing: anything can be a flaw. I think Red said it in one of her Trope Talks but literally anything can be a flaw or a virtue depending on the story.
'Loving your friends' is on first sight a good thing but what if you have to choose between saving Friend A or B? Being nice is a good thing until it lets people take advantage of you. Anything can be a flaw, it's up to the author to craft a world that puts those traits to the test. There's a reason so many people like Percy Jackson (i know Red doesn't hate the books don't @ me).
Percy's flaw isn't his loyalty. Since that's never put to the test it's just a character trait. His flaw is his impulsive nature. He doesn't think things through and he picks fights where he really shouldn't. Sure everything works out for him because he has dope friends and he is the protagonist ergo he has to survive otherwise what is the fucking point. Same with Harry Potter. Actually a lot of protagonists have 'impulsive' as the flaw.
3:01 Here is a quote about that directly from the Wikipedia article on him:
the palace guards were sent against him, but Bellerophon called upon Poseidon, who flooded the plain of Xanthus behind Bellerophon as he approached. In defense the palace women sent him and the flood in retreat by rushing from the gates with their robes lifted high, offering themselves.
I love how Athena is always just ready to help people out.
"GO WATCH THE NEW VOLTRON"
ah, this aged poorly
why what happened? I don't watch voltron
. . . the last season really flopped. But the rest is pretty good.
@@storystimmler It was already going downhill well before that, I think 😓 I personally started to gradually care less and less after the Lion swap
@@theonegoldengryphon Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the lion swap (I know the original series did it, but I liked the blue-Lance, red-Keith and black-Shiro associations). They handled the swap fairly well for what it was, though. Definitely could've handled it better (by talking about Lance's insecurities, for example). But at least they acknowledged it wasn't an effortless change to make for the characters. Still would've been better if it just hadn't happened, though, I agree.
@@theonegoldengryphon Although the switching-lions arc was one of the few times I really liked Keith. (Don't hate me.) Becoming a leader sucks, OK? I can empathize with that.
Play of the game: Bellerophon as Bastion
I was thinking reinhardt
I was thinking more of Tracer?
Since all he did was stick a bombsized thing in the right place, at the right time and BAM! Huge Sucess!
Fancy Whale i was thinking human
cause he is a human
Good to know I’m not the only one who noticed the overwatch
Fancy Whale AHHAHAHAHAHA
yeah, as big a fan of Riodan's work as i am, even I admit Percy's 'flaw' wasn't really one, even Percy himself questions how his loyalty is a flaw though
Lilith does stuff how is Apollo a Mary Sue?
Master Boss idk
rick: and he's too loyal!!!! dun dun dun!!!!
percy: weird flex but okay
I mean, being willing to sacrifice literally the entire world and the billions of people on it to save one of your buddies is definitely a flaw.
um, have you read Mark of Athena?
“Liking your friends too much” isn’t really an accurate summation of Percy’s fatal flaw. He’s unable to put things in greater perspective. He will always choose to save a friend rather than save the world, which is a problem because he happens to be one of the most powerful and important demigods in the series.
Same though no clue how to put things in greater perspective it's messed me up before
@@Alex-ed9wm Admittedly, it tends to be a lot easier from the detached god's-eye view of a reader.
@Ameya NKI mean, he did dive head-first into Tartarus so Annabeth wouldn't have to go it alone, leaving Jason stuck with the reins of power.
@@yourworstenemy yes because that choice was never to save the world or to go with annabeth. Also Percy usually has people around him that will make the choice of save the world for him. Another thing is the fact that if you analyze Percy's weakness under the curse of Achilles, the only way to kill him is a literal backstab. He expects as much loyalty he has towards his friends in return.
I love the recurring gag of "You like proving yourself?" / "Do I?"
The weird thing is, Percy is flawed - It's just that the loyalty thing isn't actually the one that hurts him.Most of the time, his worst flaw isn't loyalty: It's recklessness. He has a very big tendency to charge in without thinking of a plan and try and fly it by the seat of his pants. There's a reason that he's friends with Annabeth: She' s the one who can actually think ahead. Percy's recklessness hurts him far more than his loyalty, usually because he can't resist getting a snarky comment in and ends up pisisng off, like, 5 separate gods as a result. He's not stupid, granted. He is VERY good at improvising a plan and he's, if his internal monologue is any indication, actually surprisingly observant and thoughtful but he tends to act without thinking regardless.
Magic of being the main protagonist. You must always survive no matter how impossible the situation becomes even if it makes you a Mary Sue/the next Jesus
Billy Weed Yes, he tends to act without thinking and it is mostly out of the fact that people are hurting his loved ones.
Billy Weed annabeth mentions that he is very implusive.
One Name: Magnus Chase
You have to admit though that the gods provoke A LOT
Anyone else notice how she dissed Percy Jackson 😅
Im offended (mostly joking, mostly)
Lol ikr
it worked out well for him though... OSP is right, it's not a real flaw. :3
All the time, he's being reminded of his flaw, but it barely had any consequences.
Mc Jethro Pov Tee doesn't make the books less great though .
+Mc Jethro Pov Tee Agreed
"I like my friends to much"
Stop talking about percy Jackson
Also she came for his wig
2:24 the flying steed he found is... His half-brother?
49% Voltron
50% Percy Jackson
1% Overwatch
That is the comment section
Edit: Jesus Christ I get exactly one notification about this, come back to it, and suddenly it's got 1k likes
What the fuck?
How the hell did Overwatch get into this?!
And sadly only 0.01% Fate.
I’ve only seen one Percy Jackson and none others
*no others
Hah! You missed a fraction of a percentage point! The Saint Sieya fans! ... or fan, I guess, but hey it's statistically relevant.
Oh my gosh I'm so glad to hear you love the new Voltron, too!!!
rexy812 I its the best!
Season 6 is making me cry
sameeeeeeeeeee several times
Mia Barnett no doubt
Season 7 is killing me
Saint Seiya! Go Lion! Wow...tons of 80s anime references.
@Kali Bradshaw I'm a fan too, and I actually found hilarious the hair joke
"...when pigs fly..."
Happened in antiquity.
Mission Details(or smith like that): Kill Flying Pigs!
0:20 "if the worst part about your hero is they like their friends TOO much, its not a flaw" the percy jackson Fandom: 👀👀
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@@segghhs Except Naofumi, despite being comparatively competent, Has a slew of other flaws, And even some flaws that compete with each other.
@@lucaswinsor4469 fair enough
to quote someone else in this comment section who could say this better than i could, "it's not that Percy likes his friends too much, but that he's repeatedly chosen personal loyalty over minimizing catastrophic colateral damage"
You'd think Poseidon would've objected or been at least like: P: "wth bro! That's my kid?"
Z: "Oops my bad, but he didn't even ask or anything"
P: "you killed him"
Z: "I've done worse for less and you know it"
P: ."..Yep"
*awkward silence*
Actually I think that’s what happened
P: "Being honest i did worse for less too, so i can't even say anything..."
Loved the Voltron ref! I love Legendary Defender too!
"No, not you Saint Seiya, you had your chance" made me giggle
You dissed my favorite animu!
... Nah, I'm not even mad, it's pretty stupid.
What's it called and where can you find it
Superloverofunderatedcharactors Rider saint seiya
Minty Demon Something can be your favourite and still be stupid. My favourite animals are snakes, aka DANGER NOODLES
I just discovered this channel yesterday and i have to say it's already my favourite in all YT.I love the way you present mythology as well as your amazing humour.Well done,honestly
The part she was talking about Pegasus and the golden armor I was thinking about saint seiya and I was surprised about she knows the anime
i cannot unsee a blonde hair, blue eyed shiroooooo
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
Chesscake
I started hyperventilating when I read this because *holy shit you're riigggghhtt*
NightSoCoolioYep interesting
Chesscake I thought the eyes were Sea green...
YOU BITCH
"then he remembers he has a flying horse and puts two and two together" oml i love the slight comedy in the scripts
Interesting point about the flawed characters in today's stories. I can think of a few but you're mostly right. Biggest exception that jumps out at me is Tywin Lannister. He was both villainous and respectable and died conflicted. He's one of the few characters from that series that I was actually interested in. But like all good things in that series, he was killed off by the great bearded glacier.
SudsyMedusa53 What series is that?
Game of Thrones(the show) or the song of ice and fire(the book)
Two of my favorite fandoms mentioned in one video! I'm in heaven. I'm loving your videos. your art style is appealing and your humor is on point. Thank you for all your hard work!
I dunno, I'd say being naturally great with horses sounds like a pretty sweet power to have. Sure, it's no thunderbolts, but I'd still be happy with it 😊
I want "I accidentally a murder" on my tombstone
Just noticed your channel exists by youtubing dante's visit to non-living territory.
It's great stuff, great presentation, & good voice.
Be superb at this 4ever. :D
To be fair "dude in golden armor" is a solid half the characters in Saint Seiya.
The other half just have a variety of hues to their armors.
1:29 Holy shit--
That laugh is adorable--how the--
3:38 anyone who has been bitten by a horsefly knows this is an accurate reaction
Still love Percy Jackson Books Though
see Matheus Schroeder's comment >w< it shows up as just above yours for me, and fits perfectly with your statement and how we should as people accept the flaws of our favorite things if we are going to have favorite anythings :P
Titus Huber Not the movies though. Those movies DON'T EXIST
Agreed
SAME! It's a good series, or maybe I'm just a nerd/idiot.
The world may never know
@@violainedotfeuil442 YES! YES! SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS!!
I mean, I'd argue that it wasn't so much that "caring too much about your friends" wasn't a flaw so much as it was never... used as one. Because the scenarios presented as potential outcomes due to that flaw, namely sacrificing the world's security so that a friend wouldn't die, are definitely not good. "Potential outcomes" is the key term there, though. It never comes up as an actual flaw, only as a convenient way to remind the audience that "everyone is flawed!!!" and to segue into other people's actually used flaws. ^^" But that's just me arguing over semantics, really. Badly used device is still badly used.
I feel like this argument could be used to poorly defend fanfiction. "No, its not a flaw in the official series because its not used as a flaw...but it COULD be!" X3
So if say...a character considers it fine to attend to a friend other than *guard a stolen nuke that a baddie wants to use on a populated area at all times no matter what,* I can call that a flaw?
Actually things like that are super sommon tropes...but it's always played as the hero being a great person and not *the most irresponsible person in the world.*
I disagree that "caring about your friends too much" is not a real flaw. You just have to make your character pay for it. Potentially every flaw can be payable.
I think that it is a flaw, but not an interesting one to give to the main character. It makes them seem too "good" in my opinion.
That is a good flaw to give a character if their friends start to get into shadowy moral areas. "DUDE! Why are you defending that guy? He just bombed civilians!" "Stay away! My friend had to make a hard choice and your nagging it's only making his grief worse!" He says. As his friend does not show any sign of grief. At all.
or you just make your protagonist a creepy psycho >w> "He cares for his friends...too much" >w< that should do it!
Vyxfrost You mean Issei Hyodo from Highschool DXD. Now there's a guy who loves his "friends" too much.
No I still don't think that should count as flawed hero territory. Selflessness isn't really what makes someone an anti-hero or morally ambiguous. Someone who is doing good things for selfish means (Indiana Jones), does terrible things for a good reason (Handsome Jack in BtPS), or has a very morally grey ethics code (Alucard) are most definitely anti-heroes. However selflessness and self sacrifice to the point of self harm are not character flaws that warrant the same title. They become Martyrs. I wouldn't count Superman killing himself by fighting Doomsday alone (who was stronger than him) and then finishing him off in an impact that not only killed Doomsday but himself also as Anti-Hero material. Or I wouldn't count fire fighters literally risking their lives by jumping into a burning building filled with toxic gas to save others anti-heroes either. What's next Jesus get's the anti-hero label because he loves all mankind to a fault that he allowed himself to be crucified.
To give Zeus a little credit: was kind of an appropriate reaction to someone metaphorically trying to kick down your door.
“if the worst thing you can say about your character is that they like they’re friends too much, they’re not flawed”
exactly peter johnson has no flaws
he does tho-
YES THAT VOLTRON REFERENCE
DA, Da da-da, da DA DAAA!!! XD
Sadly it ends this month ;-;
@@yeeyeeyeeyee1270 sadly it ended a day ago 😭 btw your name is just 👌
Ay
I enjoyed the Saint Seiya one more.
I'm watching the vid on by bed with my cat and he decides to use me phone as a pillow half way through the show
And now he's acting cute as if he did nothing wrong 🐱🐈😽😸
D33 Alpha yeah pets are like that.
Good old cats.
Atleast its not the keyboard of your computer
i do not know if this is a good platform for it, but i have a suggestion for an overly sarcastic production about gullivers travels, not the story in the gnomes land but all of the four journeys it is both saracastic and funny for example the war beteen the gnome islands liliput and blefusco was started becuse of the imortal question "from which side should you open an egg?" or mabye the flying island of laputa where every one is so smart that they dont even bother to create a house that has 90 degrees in the corner because the sun will explode after the next billion years... just saying...its nice...
שקדי גפן
Gulliver's Travels is actually political satire that became children's stories so a review on it would be fascinating.
Something I like is that Bellerophon and Pegasus are technically brothers. That's why they make such a good team.
3:23 Go the distance Hercules I GET THE REFERENCE FOR ONCE !!
0:24 *cough* Percy Jackson *cough*
obi 1shinobi every generic anime character
Love the video as always. ^^
I personally disagree with the statement about "They like their friends too much" not being a real flaw. It is if you take it far enough. Speaking as a person who used to be very obsessive in my relationships, it definetly destroyed several of them and getting over that whole mess definetly made me a better person. I know you meant the characters where that's not the case, I just want to give a passing writer some ideas. ^^
Pegase is basically the first captured pokemon : a fusion of two animals captured by a human, while the artefact that captured him forces him to like his trainer.
I dunno, I feel like there were lamer aspects of Poseidon that Bellerophon could have picked up, like the ability to inevitably piss off various goddesses by never having sex in the appropriate temples.
Is there ever an appropriate temple to have sex in?
@@midnight_rose2337 I'd imagine Aphrodite wouldn't mind.
I used this and some other videos on this channel to help me with my project on hubris a while back. I love this channel!
Caring about your friends too much could be a good flaw if it slowly destroys the character who believes their only worth is giving anything and everything up for others, slowly driving them crazy
Fun fact! Bellerophon means "killer of Belleros" the guy he killed at the beginning of this myth! Don't ask me what his original name was.
It was Hipponous.
Wait, so Chrysaor's name means "He who has a *Golden Sword"* and he's depicted as either being a giant boar or having *boar features?*
Are we sure that he’s not just like, the father of the Piglins or something?
I've been following you for a while and have only now decided to go back and watch all your stuff... you're even more awesome and I love Voltron, can't wait for season 8 although I'm gonna cry when it finishes...
Ok, just found out about this channel and I know this is a 6 year old video, but I'm subscribing right now. This is just amazing.
LOVE the animation, love the voice over. The cadence fits and I love how instead of just droning on and on about some needless material, you jump to the point.
I've been kinda binging your vids and the Saint Seiya ref killed me.
2:17 I think Rick Riordan did a good job of that. Literally never heard of the guy til then.
Same.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING SAINT SEIYA!
Admittedly the guy was a fail but the series needs love
Definitely not me simping over all of Greek heroes LIKE FOR REAL WHY DID YOU MADE THEM LOOK SO ADORABLE
This helped my sister a lot with her mythology report on the crime of hubris! good job!
Ah, remember back when that new Voltron _was_ fantastic?
Yes. I do. I now never trust anime. I just wait for it to shit itself.
@@toymaster4041
I'm working on rewriting that from S2E1 onward, actually.
“Go watch the new Voltron, it’s fantastic.” Oh, that did NOT age well
0:55 It's nice that in Greek myth it's not always the guy trying to have an affair.
Weird story I heard: when Bellerophon fell to earth, he somehow...er, mated with a horse and became the first centaur
Mated with a horse and _became_ the first centaur?!
@@blarg2429 I may be wrong, there's many variations of it
@@GabyGibson I'm just saying, if he mated with a horse then the first centaur was probably one of his children. I know mythology can be weird like that, but I'm confident that having sex with something doesn't give you its anatomical features even in this context. Unless a god cursed him, which does seem to happen often in these stories.
@@blarg2429 I'm gonna Zeus decided to curse him again
@@GabyGibson That's Zeus for ya.
*"And I'll Form the Head!!!"*
That hair floof looks like shiro's hair floof
Holy shit youre right 😲
Others interpretations of Chrysaor: A man with golden armour or a boar monster
Me: It's just a boar with wings and a golden sword
(2:01) now you've probably never heard of chrysaor,
Me : unless you've read percy jackson and heros of Olympus
HEHEHEHE no srsly, I recommend it :))
I just realized how good Red is at drawing animals and I got more impressed at her dang dude
0:19 you are roasting a lot of writers right here and I love it
you know i just realized that in Greek myths the amazons seem to get picked on for seemingly no reason. There never seems to be a grudge to settle and they're few if any talk of physical rewards (I think Heracles got a belt out of it)its always just to prove yourself.
Red: if the worst thing you can say is that your hero likes his friends TOO much, that's not a flaw.
Percy jackson fans: *sweating*
1:26 watch this after finishing the Last season Of Voltron Legendary Defenders and it will pull on ur heartstrings
the fact that you knew saint seiya made me happy and yes, that hairstyle was unforgivable---but he had a cool spear so I guess that's ok....then shiryu basically smacks him and that's the end of that.
1:53 The bird's eyes here are just fantastic