Miscellaneous Myths: Narcissus

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  • You know his name. You know his personality disorder. But you don't know his story - especially not the gay bits!
    Honestly, how many times are we going to be surprised when a greek myth turns out gayer than we learned in middle school? Remind me to tell you guys about Callisto sometime.
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  • @orpheuseclipse4236
    @orpheuseclipse4236 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12488

    Suitors: I can’t live without you
    Narcissus: then perish

    • @broseidon1658
      @broseidon1658 6 ปีที่แล้ว +223

      Oof.

    • @Bear9800
      @Bear9800 6 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      hold on i just realized that i was the 420 person to like this

    • @enderfire1st_404
      @enderfire1st_404 6 ปีที่แล้ว +287

      Suitors: weall do anything fow you mr narcissus pwease
      Narcissus: Anything?
      Suitors: Anything for you mr. narcissus :3
      Narcissus: Then *perish*
      Suitors: D:

    • @anne-ce3mc
      @anne-ce3mc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’m the 715th like

    • @TheBeastr
      @TheBeastr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And I'm the 911th like... uhhhhh...

  • @voivodadracula1936
    @voivodadracula1936 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13697

    That greek dating sim sound like an awesome survival game

    • @gretablackwell495
      @gretablackwell495 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1177

      Survival dating sim is my new favorite game genre that doesn’t exist

    • @AndreaRodriguez-cj1kt
      @AndreaRodriguez-cj1kt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +606

      I love that because there’s so many options. Apollo’s route would end with you dead for sure

    • @voivodadracula1936
      @voivodadracula1936 6 ปีที่แล้ว +509

      @@AndreaRodriguez-cj1kt Apollo's route ends with the player as a nice plant in a garden

    • @jonquilgemstone
      @jonquilgemstone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +316

      Voivoda Dracula You have to choose wisely--not just your favorite NPC, but also how to not die or face some other horrible fate.
      (example: Zeus-->Avoid Hera's wrath, Aphrodite-->Avoid Hephaestus and Ares at once, Artemis-->DON'T CONFESS TO OR STALK HER FOR ANY REASON)

    • @broseidon1658
      @broseidon1658 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Fun!

  • @PowahSlapEntertainmint
    @PowahSlapEntertainmint 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6176

    Get you someone that looks at you like Narcissus looks at himself.

    • @honedaychannel
      @honedaychannel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yes!

    • @basicinsight7214
      @basicinsight7214 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Base a religion around you mate, I'm tired of seeing you everywhere. Lol

    • @-XTD-
      @-XTD- 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You're starting to get top comment again

    • @Dndlaila
      @Dndlaila 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Mood

    • @nono9543
      @nono9543 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wait... I just saw you.

  • @djdjdhsh9000
    @djdjdhsh9000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6184

    i like how Nemisis didnt even use magic she just showed him a mirror

    • @rollingthunder1043
      @rollingthunder1043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +590

      There's a version of the myth where his own ego and looks aren't enough, so Eros shoots him with one of his love-arrows while he's looking in the pool.
      I like this version better.

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +214

      I mean i think it makes more sense. If he’s never seen a mirror before, how did he fall so absorbed with his own attractiveness to begin with?

    • @elijahpadilla5083
      @elijahpadilla5083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +271

      @@JaelinBezel Likely because everyone else is describing how beautiful he is all the time. Even if you can't personally see yourself, if everyone says you're beauty incarnate you're going to believe it.

    • @ejsmith7626
      @ejsmith7626 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      These stories were originally religous and so drive home a firm moral. Unlike modern moralist stories though the characters feel somewhat human and the intensity of emotion and drama make it interesting.

    • @taxinvasion260
      @taxinvasion260 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@rollingthunder1043 I like this version since it doesn't imply Narcissus has never seen a mirror or reflection of himself in his life.

  • @pyrusperseus
    @pyrusperseus 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21552

    i remember that part in Disney's "Hercules" when Hermes said "i haven't seen so much love in one room since Narcissus discovered himself"

    • @ariahazelwood3842
      @ariahazelwood3842 5 ปีที่แล้ว +450

      PyrusPerseus me too 😂😂

    • @auriii9419
      @auriii9419 5 ปีที่แล้ว +618

      Haha..plot twist..Hercules is actually a part of ROMAN mythology instead of Greek mythology..I’m a nerd 🤣

    • @user-wq7ms7eu9j
      @user-wq7ms7eu9j 5 ปีที่แล้ว +970

      @@auriii9419 Hercules is just the roman name for Heracles, the great-grandson of Perseus.
      So he was originally a greek hero.

    • @DeathBringerBecky
      @DeathBringerBecky 5 ปีที่แล้ว +340

      @@user-wq7ms7eu9j They're still right. Hercules is the roman figure, Heracles is the greek. They aren't wrong.

    • @Delta-es1lg
      @Delta-es1lg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +146

      @@DeathBringerBecky
      Only technically correct, but correct.

  • @Harshworld100
    @Harshworld100 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6664

    “I should make a Greek mythology dating sim”-Red
    Shut up and take my money!

    • @michelsand5399
      @michelsand5399 6 ปีที่แล้ว +226

      Wow somebody had the same idea. Nice job dude. How would a Greek dating sim work tho? Is it like a normal one, but for every good answer you give you piss off some god?

    • @moonallmoon
      @moonallmoon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Yasssss

    • @acuriousone9010
      @acuriousone9010 6 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I'd buy it

    • @ariannapajtash7680
      @ariannapajtash7680 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      I second this.

    • @enid22ful
      @enid22ful 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Mine too! Do you take Benjamins?

  • @helios5752
    @helios5752 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6412

    Fun fact about that flower, it is stunningly beautiful but it smells like rotting corpses, unwashed gym socks, and rotten eggs all got together and produced this unholy abomination of a scent.

    • @iceluvndiva21
      @iceluvndiva21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +149

      Where did get that comparison?

    • @helios5752
      @helios5752 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1243

      @@iceluvndiva21 When I was younger and reading up on Narcissus (I am Greek and have always been a super Greek mythology nerd) it described the flowers as they were in ancient days and that was roughly (couldn't remember the wording so I went with conveying how bad the smell was in my own wording) how the smell was described. I believe that modern Narcissus have been bred to have a pleasant smell because people wanted them in their gardens without it smelling like a murder was committed 3 days ago.

    • @jonquilgemstone
      @jonquilgemstone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +417

      Helios575 So...redemption arc?

    • @broseidon1658
      @broseidon1658 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Welp. Great.

    • @hannahoran9241
      @hannahoran9241 5 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      Isn't it a Daffodil? Daffodils are lovely. I think the term refers to Jonquils which are like mini daffodils.

  • @dank_smirk2ndchannel200
    @dank_smirk2ndchannel200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2477

    Imagine if Narcissus was cloned. It’d probably end one of 2 ways:
    1. They would literally only ever look at / bang themselves, probably saving any other suitors from depressing fates.
    2. The sheer amount of ego in the room would cause all of Ancient Greece to implode upon itself.

    • @anonymous-mi8su
      @anonymous-mi8su 2 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      Probably both

    • @subira8518
      @subira8518 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Question: If you'd fuck your clone would that be investous?

    • @drunk_famasmf5135
      @drunk_famasmf5135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      "There haven't been so much love in this room since Narcissus discovered himself"
      (Hades, 1990s, colorised)

    • @Camabad8859
      @Camabad8859 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Or it would create a god of ego

    • @raptormage2209
      @raptormage2209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      In some versions he had a twin sister

  • @Flowtail
    @Flowtail 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6682

    In a modern setting, narcissus becomes a mad scientist bent on cloning himself so he can finally satisfy his longing

    • @roberteischen4170
      @roberteischen4170 5 ปีที่แล้ว +673

      That would make a good short story. In the end, he could figure out how intolerable he is, and the lesson could be there's more to love than Beauty

    • @megaabsolangelgamer3996
      @megaabsolangelgamer3996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +239

      @@roberteischen4170 @Fif Gallag Do...do I have your permission to write this and submit it?

    • @roberteischen4170
      @roberteischen4170 5 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      @@megaabsolangelgamer3996 go for it.

    • @megaabsolangelgamer3996
      @megaabsolangelgamer3996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      @@roberteischen4170 YES! Wonderful, thank you!

    • @poulomi__hari
      @poulomi__hari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      Talk about a great horror story.... wow.

  • @TheKartana
    @TheKartana 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6541

    On the home screen, you should see a garden of all of the plants that you've become

    • @lotionman1507
      @lotionman1507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +880

      if you win, you become a constellation

    • @redwitch12
      @redwitch12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +384

      Ooo, unlockable achievement trophies!

    • @jonquilgemstone
      @jonquilgemstone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +465

      @@redwitch12 Possible achievement names:
      Error: Safe Word Not Found
      Delicate Flower
      I Speak for the Trees
      All Is Fair (In Love and War)
      Caught in the Act
      Animal
      Torn into Pieces
      Happy Deathiversary!
      Children Are a Blessing
      Meet the In-Laws
      Sibling Rivalry
      I Plead Innocent
      I Plead Guilty
      I Plead Insanity
      I Plead the Fifth

    • @redwitch12
      @redwitch12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@jonquilgemstone YES. YESSSSS.

    • @lucianfrostbane
      @lucianfrostbane 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      thats the achievement page

  • @sandskrit13
    @sandskrit13 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4100

    If you actually go for Apollo, and he doesn't randomly fall in love with you, you have a 82% chance of being murdered by Zephyrus and turned into a plant.
    The other 18% is you falling off a cliff and being turned into a plant.
    Either way you get to be a plant.
    I'd say it's a pretty good deal.

    • @jimhistory5750
      @jimhistory5750 6 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      Well to avoid the getting killed by zephyros part you never play disc with apollo

    • @maddilinekathryn5684
      @maddilinekathryn5684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      Your best bet is going for hades tbh (minus the whole persephone is wife thing)

    • @sheevpalpatine1105
      @sheevpalpatine1105 5 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      @@maddilinekathryn5684 if you're good at the costumizing character tool Persephone will think you're cute and will keep you as a pet

    • @maddilinekathryn5684
      @maddilinekathryn5684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @Thomas S. True true very true

    • @DonPatrono
      @DonPatrono 5 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      what if Apollo as trying to prevent deforestation and overpopulation IN ONE SHOT?

  • @lorendaemon7945
    @lorendaemon7945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6810

    Good end: Ameinias meets Echo before he can kill himself. Ameinias and Echo talk to each other and they become best friends and help each other with their obvious self-esteem issues and Ameinias's friendship helps Echo become visible again. Echo, who already is pretty good at wingmaning people it sounds like, helps Ameinias find a boyfriend who loves and respects him and Echo invents singing in rounds. The end.

    • @moonsong2966
      @moonsong2966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +282

      awwww, I love thisss

    • @apinkchameleon
      @apinkchameleon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +152

      I would kill to see this

    • @chemicalfuzzy
      @chemicalfuzzy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +244

      **frantically starts writing** i like this idea

    • @ender4344
      @ender4344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      Yes, yes and yes

    • @matilde_5
      @matilde_5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      WhOOAAAAA YES!!!!!!

  • @daisyoverton204
    @daisyoverton204 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6612

    Apollo: Sister, what are you the goddess of?
    Artemis* lounging by a spring and piles of deerskin surrounded by three dozen naked girls and a dead-pan expression*: Virginity

    • @Archris17
      @Archris17 5 ปีที่แล้ว +656

      ...Is there ever even the slightest implication that Artemis might have just kinda been into girls? Or a confirmation she wasn't? Because when you put it like that-!

    • @angiela3095
      @angiela3095 5 ปีที่แล้ว +820

      @@Archris17 well, considering ancient greece didnt really like lesbians or wlw, there is no confirmation whether if she was into girls or not. But in modern world, she's usually depicted as a lesbian or into girls

    • @mercury7d
      @mercury7d 5 ปีที่แล้ว +692

      LoZ Collector I’ve read a couple sources that say “Virgin” in that culture was more indicative of “Not Married,” so Artemis might’ve been fully on board with the WLW just not with the vows of marriage

    • @GIRLZ-ARE-HAWT
      @GIRLZ-ARE-HAWT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +286

      Drew oo o I also heard that in Ancient Greek times being virgin just means not being penetrated by a dong

    • @ScorpioTheScorpion1503
      @ScorpioTheScorpion1503 5 ปีที่แล้ว +513

      According to Red in her video on the Endymion myth, there’s nothing to imply that Artemis was into guys OR gals. The only romantic relationship she had was with Orion the hunter.

  • @CJCroen1393
    @CJCroen1393 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3762

    Don't forget the version where Narcissus dies because he stupidly tried to embrace his reflection and drowned.

    • @gamzee3610
      @gamzee3610 6 ปีที่แล้ว +479

      I've heard one version in which he tried to kiss his reflection, and he was so heartbroken when it rippled out of sight that he committed suicide

    • @joycebirrey725
      @joycebirrey725 6 ปีที่แล้ว +376

      Narcissus, The patron saint of *_Masturbation._*

    • @gamzee3610
      @gamzee3610 6 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Joyce that is the only valid thing I've heard someone comment in their life that was valid

    • @joycebirrey725
      @joycebirrey725 6 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Honestly, you're right about that.
      _Seriously._

    • @teaganyork5565
      @teaganyork5565 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      wait,that happened????ppppphhhhhhaahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!

  • @TheFoolishSamurai
    @TheFoolishSamurai 6 ปีที่แล้ว +731

    You say "don't date Narcissus"
    I say "let's play on Ultra-Hard Mode"

    • @pandoratheclay
      @pandoratheclay 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You expert mode

    • @pandoratheclay
      @pandoratheclay 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You mean expert mode

    • @Attaxalotl
      @Attaxalotl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mycenaean Extreme Difficulty

  • @mongodroid4842
    @mongodroid4842 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4406

    Honestly, an Echo visual novel would be real cool, imagine instead of just picking x dialogue option, having to remix the last dialogue box of a character

    • @Spot_Faceless-Soldier
      @Spot_Faceless-Soldier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +276

      That's... real creative! that would be real fun and/or interesting!

    • @ThomasJefferson-xc8wg
      @ThomasJefferson-xc8wg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      yea but imagine how complicated that'd also be

    • @tyrant-den884
      @tyrant-den884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +182

      @@ThomasJefferson-xc8wg knowing most visual novels it would mean either solving one simple puzzle every couple hours to pick a route and/or grinding through tins of word puzzles to build up affection points to unlock scenes.

    • @duxhunt
      @duxhunt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      I would play it even though I hate dating sims and being the worst person with puzzles

    • @pinkajou656
      @pinkajou656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      YES YES SO COOL!!!

  • @MisterMokuroh
    @MisterMokuroh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +768

    Ironic that Narcissus, who many consider an unobtainable treasure, became a mere flower, which anyone can take and do as they wish with.

    • @CDexie
      @CDexie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      I don't think that's what it was intended to mean. More like, his beauty is represented in the beauty of the flowers.

    • @clutchedbyanangel
      @clutchedbyanangel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Got em

    • @ironreed2654
      @ironreed2654 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Plus now he can reproduce, or "pollinate" with beings of equal beauty...

    • @ayindephulgence4950
      @ayindephulgence4950 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mister Moon Thank you Rowlet

    • @connortripp99
      @connortripp99 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Now thats some extra salt for the wound.

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2631

    Wait. Helen of Troy is (sometimes) the daughter of the embodiment of karmic punishments for hubris. Does this mean that all those people who try to kidnap and marry Helen, only to have their tales end in tragedy, are in fact getting karmic punishments courtesy of Helen's demigod powers?
    I don't care if it makes mythological sense, I like it.

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 6 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      Timothy McLean I like this theory

    • @Iweleth
      @Iweleth 6 ปีที่แล้ว +210

      That or a caring mother taking care of business.

    • @AuroraLalune
      @AuroraLalune 6 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      Timothy McLean
      demigod powers? what makes you think this karmic embodiment isn't behind the scenes going "all you idiots think your good enough for my daughter? HUBRIS!"

    • @hypoaktivnaovca
      @hypoaktivnaovca 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Demigod powers? Do demigods ever have any innate powers in Greek mythology? As far as I know it's always their parent's backseating, or Hera accidentaly breastfeeding the guy in one case.

    • @GarrigKitten
      @GarrigKitten 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Sometimes, you get the most epic horse gift which, really, in those days, was a pretty naughty thing when it was full of naval soldiers. Did...Did I say it right?

  • @personamithulu
    @personamithulu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1818

    Narssius:
    "Hey baby how's it going?"
    >Reflection is just mirroring him. Que long quiet pause.
    Narssius:
    "Same here sweetcakes."

    • @tiyenin
      @tiyenin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      2:04 Thanks for the Kiss from a Rose tag

  • @spilledteaissadtea3037
    @spilledteaissadtea3037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3036

    How about this. When you unlock the underworld route instead of seducing hades or Persephone you romance Thanatos

    • @milk_choc7889
      @milk_choc7889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      That sounds fun

    • @dreameater8548
      @dreameater8548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      YE

    • @alina81324
      @alina81324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +384

      Zagreus wants to know your location

    • @lily5765
      @lily5765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      OR...POLY RELATIONSHIP?

    • @ametsunami4070
      @ametsunami4070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      Supergiant, taking notes: good idea, glad I thought of it.

  • @hulkmeister23
    @hulkmeister23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2653

    But, if you follow Artemis' example, Aphrodite curses you.

    • @virginiarailfannoah5415
      @virginiarailfannoah5415 5 ปีที่แล้ว +256

      Well, more like Aphrodite curses your stepmom, which ultimately leads to you getting killed.

    • @Cangeltibon
      @Cangeltibon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +167

      Well it depends, Narcissis was rejecting love from anyone he didn’t find suitable vs an asexual person who’s genuinely not interested. Aphrodite would punish people actively rejecting love.....probably didn’t get Narcissis him self because he was a genuine hotty. Basically if you are not a male who’s beauty is on the scale of the gods, you shouldn’t reject love. ......if your a woman who’s beauty revivals Aphrodite I highly suggest you get in good with a powerful god that can protect you from her.

    • @hulkmeister23
      @hulkmeister23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Cangeltibon I think that's a matter of perspective.

    • @Cangeltibon
      @Cangeltibon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Derek Bates
      That’s true

    • @hulkmeister23
      @hulkmeister23 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Cangeltibon and knowing is half the battle.

  • @vagabond_6639
    @vagabond_6639 6 ปีที่แล้ว +413

    “Sorry, but “Disappointed Albatross” isn’t my type”.
    -Narcissus

    • @AtarahDerek
      @AtarahDerek 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He WOULD assume she just wants to hang around his neck.

  • @BlueAngel7
    @BlueAngel7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +651

    Heard different versions what happened after Nemesis cursed him.
    A) He starved/got too dehydrated
    B) Drowned trying to save himself
    C) Stood still so long while looking at his reflection plants started growing on and around him

    • @AntediluvianGirl
      @AntediluvianGirl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      The two most common ones are those last two
      Personally I enjoy and was raised on the plants one

    • @tybaltia16
      @tybaltia16 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I've never heard of c but w ow does that sound really aesthetic??

    • @AntediluvianGirl
      @AntediluvianGirl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@tybaltia16 yeaj essentially it's that he stared so long that flowers and vines grew up his legs and arms until he was just sorta a weird bush man and at the last second he realizes he's a tree now

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I heard he straight up stabbed himself because he felt bad about how much pain he was causing his reflection.

    • @felixrivera895
      @felixrivera895 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All of the above. He stood and stared and wasted away, drooping over the pond like his very flower until he wilted so much he fell in and drowned

  • @FirstLast-cg2nk
    @FirstLast-cg2nk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +526

    I remember reading a version of the tale of Narcissus where Echo gets back at Narci by hanging around and parroting his own words back at him while he was staring at his reflection, making him believe that his reflection was a water nymph.

    • @blessiemasancay4818
      @blessiemasancay4818 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Lmao

    • @kurinthekitty6842
      @kurinthekitty6842 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Echo f*cking sounds 10x more metal

    • @WolfBoy-om6dw
      @WolfBoy-om6dw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you know where to find this version plz tell I wanna read It

    • @Vinemaple
      @Vinemaple ปีที่แล้ว +3

      IDK why that sounds like Ovid but it does

  • @GrayGriffonKnight
    @GrayGriffonKnight 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3781

    ... this sounds more like a survival horror game than a dating sim.
    ...
    Crap. That'd actually be really cool.

    • @nicolaszan1845
      @nicolaszan1845 6 ปีที่แล้ว +321

      A horror dating sim.
      Genius idea. Would fund.

    • @parrotenthusiast1181
      @parrotenthusiast1181 6 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      how to fend off apollo : show him a hyacinth flower

    • @geekyone7434
      @geekyone7434 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@parrotenthusiast1181 laurel would probably work too lol

    • @SeriouslyCalamitous
      @SeriouslyCalamitous 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      There are several comments about this game becoming a reality, but this one is the best.

    • @Gimmie_Orangejuice
      @Gimmie_Orangejuice 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It so would id dump cash on it

  • @piperhays8698
    @piperhays8698 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2315

    I love how it’s just been accepted that Achilles and Patroclus were in love by basically everyone

    • @smellulater1123
      @smellulater1123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +218

      Piper Hays Except the American education system lol

    • @itsrdr3708
      @itsrdr3708 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      They weren't gay, it literally just says in the Iliad that they were just close friends

    • @assassintwinat8
      @assassintwinat8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      @@itsrdr3708 with benefits

    • @assassintwinat8
      @assassintwinat8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      @@smellulater1123 another reason i loved my 11th grade history teacher-- he was meta enough to just straight up tell us that Achilles and Patrocles were lovers and that's why they made us read the Iliad and odyssey in reverse chronological order-- they didn't think our young innocent brains could handle the gay subtext of the Iliad

    • @maddilinekathryn5684
      @maddilinekathryn5684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      ItsRDR but their “friendship” has a lot of gay in it

  • @TheCaliMack
    @TheCaliMack 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3501

    WHY hasn't there been a Greek Mythology dating sim?

    • @sashawolfson3602
      @sashawolfson3602 6 ปีที่แล้ว +166

      IKR, I would Buy it, I would be a Money Seller

    • @Cilibi
      @Cilibi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +128

      TheCaliMack There’s a god dating sim pulling from multiple different mythologies including Greek called Kamigami no Asobi. It’s also a pretty good anime :D

    • @englebertmagentaschweiger1447
      @englebertmagentaschweiger1447 6 ปีที่แล้ว +199

      Because most people don't want to be raped by a bull?

    • @ashleyy2628
      @ashleyy2628 6 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      There is one in the game called Lovestruck called Astoria: Fates Kiss and you can date Hades and a bunch of godly monsters like Hydra and Medusa but they’re humanized

    • @samuelademeso6061
      @samuelademeso6061 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Natsu Dragneel shut up and take MY money!

  • @WolfRider2002
    @WolfRider2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    In this hypothetical game there is at least a 50/50 chance that Aphrodite will just pick a route for you. You wanna date Hercules or Atalanta? Nope. You're falling in love with with Jason

    • @avalasialove
      @avalasialove ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Ah, so you’d be playing as Medea...I like it!

    • @adamloga3788
      @adamloga3788 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I can dig a sudden swerve from Dating Sim to Hitman Ancient Greece Version.

    • @justintime3656
      @justintime3656 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      NOOOOOOOO NOT JASON NOOOOO😢

  • @catalyst455
    @catalyst455 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1784

    “Without love life is like the seasons with no summer”
    So considerably better for people with hay fever

    • @theholyduck5520
      @theholyduck5520 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      That is... really an excellent way to look at it. I feel better already.

    • @catalyst455
      @catalyst455 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Brett Hall well yeah I have hay fever so for me summer is HELL

    • @jazzypaffy
      @jazzypaffy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      It is also from hairspray in the song without love

    • @jordanloux3883
      @jordanloux3883 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Plus Hades gets to spend more time with his wife and Persephone has more time to play with Cerberus.

    • @hyhena-gaming9986
      @hyhena-gaming9986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or for those in the southern u.s....dang it gets hot done here

  • @sylendraws1249
    @sylendraws1249 6 ปีที่แล้ว +645

    When you’re so self-centered that your name literally becomes an adjective to describe pride and self-centeredness

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 6 ปีที่แล้ว +112

      SylenDraws It's what he would've wanted

    • @lizardperson780
      @lizardperson780 6 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      It's literally the name of a disorder at this point

    • @natesmodelsdoodles5403
      @natesmodelsdoodles5403 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      would he have wanted it? he's immortalized, yes, since he has a mental disorder named after him because he was the guy who suffered from it most prominently.

    • @andresmarrero8666
      @andresmarrero8666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Well nowadays he is quite literally everywhere. Its almost as if he managed to possess a good portion of the human race.

    • @virginiarailfannoah5415
      @virginiarailfannoah5415 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      r/relatable.

  • @fungusbungus2378
    @fungusbungus2378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1153

    "In this Game the only way to win is to not play"
    Just become a hunter of Artemis, you're immortal and don't have to experience heartbreak!

    • @ChasoGod
      @ChasoGod 5 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      Unless you're beautiful/handsome, then Aphrodite will take offense to your vow of virginity and try to get you to break it. Which will either end in you breaking it or you dying...

    • @lyndsey8088
      @lyndsey8088 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Unless you encounter Orion

    • @iceluvndiva21
      @iceluvndiva21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      That's what I'd do. Just be like "well I got my heart crushed and I don't want Zeus or posiden gunning for me... Hey Artemis, ya got room for one more priestess?"

    • @garretthochmuth4522
      @garretthochmuth4522 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Orion, Hippolytus, and Callisto beg to differ.

    • @sierramcneil8805
      @sierramcneil8805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      What if you’re a guy?

  • @texivani
    @texivani 3 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    "Just ask him out, what's the worst that could happen?"
    "He literally gave me a weapon and told me to kill myself"
    "O-oh.."

  • @viktorayy
    @viktorayy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +518

    *Narcissus was the OG Gaston.*

    • @starstudios2959
      @starstudios2959 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ha! True

    • @comixproviderftw_02
      @comixproviderftw_02 6 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      NOOOOO OOOOONE...
      Rejects like Narcissus
      Is beautful like Narcissus
      When he goes out for a fight, no one hunts like Narcissus.

    • @ValTheMad
      @ValTheMad 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Narcissus ate dozens of eggs?

    • @user-qp5xh9ky4t
      @user-qp5xh9ky4t 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Except that Gaston was at least into Belle.

    • @shirleykeeldar9662
      @shirleykeeldar9662 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      When I was a lad I had four dozen suitors
      Every morning, so my head got large.
      But now that I'm grown I have FIVE THOUSAND suitors
      So it's roughly the size of a BARGE!!!

  • @GolanLP
    @GolanLP 6 ปีที่แล้ว +887

    Tryied the Calypso-Route. You know how many sidequests there are on her island? It took me seven freaking years to finish it! In the end I only wanted to leave and continue the main story.

    • @cjn8719
      @cjn8719 6 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Did Odysseus right this comment?

    • @donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
      @donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 6 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      7 years worth of content! What are you complaining about?!

    • @amissitnomine421
      @amissitnomine421 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Ah... I love intellectual jokes

    • @PyraXadon
      @PyraXadon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      What about the Circe route? Surely that chain didn't take as long.

    • @Nvaehlo
      @Nvaehlo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I keep loosing Atlas' route--

  • @izzy1221
    @izzy1221 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1427

    Anyone else was dumb enough to actually try to tap the screen to pick their character? Cause uh...same.
    *I need to sleep.*

  • @fennetheartsyenby
    @fennetheartsyenby 4 ปีที่แล้ว +371

    I love that Helen's save file is 10 years long (just... in hours) fun little detail.

    • @fabi3790
      @fabi3790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Why 10 years long?
      Was the war that long or did I forget shit again

    • @fennetheartsyenby
      @fennetheartsyenby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@fabi3790 yea the Trojan War was 10 years long. Not really sure why. It just was.

    • @cookiemuffin3208
      @cookiemuffin3208 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@fennetheartsyenby troy was just that tough I guess idk

  • @shinebrightlikeadoitsu1120
    @shinebrightlikeadoitsu1120 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2413

    I just realised why echo was named echo

    • @Plutoniumcontrolrod
      @Plutoniumcontrolrod 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      Shine Bright Like A doitsu that’s a bruh moment

    • @jaxvipre8606
      @jaxvipre8606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Are you, perhaps, a Doitsuist? I'm just curious...

    • @brokendoll6741
      @brokendoll6741 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@jaxvipre8606 nice to know the fandom is getting bigger again

    • @jaxvipre8606
      @jaxvipre8606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@brokendoll6741 it never stopped expanding, brethren.

    • @ametislady2
      @ametislady2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      What the hell is going on can someone tell me please?
      Why im switching faster than the channels on tv?
      Im black than im white,no something is in't right.
      My enemy is invisible,i don't know how to fight.
      The trembling fear is more than i can take,when im up against the echo in the mirror.

  • @euniceerica
    @euniceerica 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1972

    It ain't an Overly Sarcastic Productions video without some gay greek love.
    In all seriousness, i would love to play a dating sim taking place in greek mythology.
    Holy cow, a thousand likes, WTF XD

    • @centaursapocalypse7259
      @centaursapocalypse7259 6 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Bad ending? You're a cow. Bye dude.

    • @thedarkgenious7967
      @thedarkgenious7967 6 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      Bad endings?
      You're now a spider.
      You're now a constellation
      You're now a flower
      etc. etc. etc.

    • @GrammarPaladin
      @GrammarPaladin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      I'd pay for that, at least you always have Zeus to be your backdoor man.

    • @Caprineki
      @Caprineki 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      This is what I live for. I would pay good money for that shit.

    • @akechijubeimitsuhide
      @akechijubeimitsuhide 6 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      No matter whom you romance, they always turn out to be Zeus in disguise.

  • @toastghost9145
    @toastghost9145 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1541

    Did no one in the Greek Mythosphere care about anything deeper than looks? The guy has the personality of a chemical spill.

    • @myaberry8682
      @myaberry8682 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      I think there was one story the was deeper than looks a loan

    • @GenocidalSquid
      @GenocidalSquid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      David Bost, he’s more like a guy who took one too many WEED smoakes.

    • @prettypenguin8949
      @prettypenguin8949 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      aka *_T O X I C_*

    • @virginiarailfannoah5415
      @virginiarailfannoah5415 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That metaphor made me crack up.

    • @melodysketchdraws
      @melodysketchdraws 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      So the flower he turns into is known for looking amazing but smelling absolutely horrible

  • @hiddenshadow2105
    @hiddenshadow2105 5 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    "Helen playthrough time: 87654:07:40"
    I see you go for 100% completion here.

  • @greywalker505
    @greywalker505 5 ปีที่แล้ว +316

    2:48 Wow. WOW. Rejecting someone and telling them to kill themselves because they were unfortunate enough to be rejected by him. I’d say that Nemesis was too easy on him, but killing himself slowly as a result of his own vanity, the source of the people he had murdered by proxy-perfect.
    (On a side note, “disappointed albatross.” I’m surprised she didn’t kill him there and then.)

    • @uglyfense7754
      @uglyfense7754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean, he isn't a nice person, but he doesn't deserve to slowly die, especially since rejecting someone and them suiciding as a result of it isn't murder

  • @Kevin-cm5kc
    @Kevin-cm5kc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +716

    Ancient Greece seemed to have a lot of stories about arrogance being a bad thing. Maybe we should bring back this strange cultural phenomenon?

    • @mme.veronica735
      @mme.veronica735 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      "Fake News" -Donald Trump

    • @nostradamusofgames5508
      @nostradamusofgames5508 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      especially nowadays with all the "selfies" and instagram "models".

    • @morganrobinson8042
      @morganrobinson8042 6 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      Thing about that is, there was a serious "know your place" element to the idea of hubris. It wasn't so much not being arrogant, as it was trying to be anything you weren't already. Most of the stories that lasted long enough publicly to get written down were heavily weighted in support of the existing orders of the time. So every myth with the element of hubris was really telling people rebellion against the temples and whatever form of city leaders was basically pointless and doomed to failure. These are the people who made Prometheus, the creator of mankind, the bad guy in his own story for giving humans fire and with it civilization. That's not to say that the myths are entirely without merit, but Greek myths particularly made a habit out of revising local folklore into a larger pantheon by way of socio-political revisionism, and character modification.

    • @mase5995
      @mase5995 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not at lot of them had bad endings. Persus had a happy ending with him marrying a princess, his adoptive father becoming king and living happily ever after with his wife, two mothers and father.

    • @basilofgoodwishes4138
      @basilofgoodwishes4138 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why? isn't the Bible enough to tell us how bad Arrogance is? in fact all Humans suffer because of the Hubris of one particular being.

  • @nerdcentral9728
    @nerdcentral9728 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I love how all of Narcissus’s speech bubbles have little sparkles around them. That was a nice touch. Also, I really want that Greek mythology dating sim!

  • @nicheekin3492
    @nicheekin3492 5 ปีที่แล้ว +684

    Fun fact!
    It was widely accepted in ancient Greece that Achilles and Patrocoulus were a couple, but that still left one question unanswered...
    There are pages and pages of serious intellectual debate over who was the top and who was the bottom.
    Their conclusion?
    Patrocoulus was deemed to be the more macho, meaning that _Achilles_ was a bottom.

    • @laurakastrup
      @laurakastrup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      I find this highly amusing
      The man that most modern people think of as a top, Achilles, was most likely a bottom
      This is where you tell me Iolaus topped Heracles.

    • @christopherfleetwood5252
      @christopherfleetwood5252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      @@laurakastrup Oh please, Heracles was a POWERbottom; full stop. 😂

    • @Xalerdane
      @Xalerdane 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Patroclus was also older than Achilles.
      Aaaaand might have been his cousin.

    • @christopherfleetwood5252
      @christopherfleetwood5252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@Xalerdane stop ruining things for people

    • @axios4702
      @axios4702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Wait what? Achilles being the main character would make you think he'd be top, since it was the position that wouldnt get you laughed out of the room.

  • @CosmicPotato740
    @CosmicPotato740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    “I may be used to one-sided relationships but I don’t like being on this side..”
    *Smooth pickup line Narcy* 😂

  • @galacticsabc4407
    @galacticsabc4407 6 ปีที่แล้ว +277

    2:00 I'm sorry, but Helen's play time is incredible.

    • @andresmarrero8666
      @andresmarrero8666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      How many years is that?

    • @MatsuoTanuki
      @MatsuoTanuki 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@andresmarrero8666 A little over ten years, assuming be time format is hours : minutes : seconds.

    • @andresmarrero8666
      @andresmarrero8666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@MatsuoTanuki geez how much content did they pack into that route. Almost as long as the odyssey. Or half of it.

    • @FreshestSoup
      @FreshestSoup 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      compared to that, Patroclus is only 17 hours into that route, and it feels like there won't be much more...

    • @sammyjay4324
      @sammyjay4324 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      assuming your doing that route as a job, working 52 weeks a year it would take 42 years and 7 weeks to do

  • @Rhynerd
    @Rhynerd 6 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I remember being shown an Oedipus dating sim sometime back. Core idea was Dionysus catching Oedipus right after he kills his father, and then taking him and 6 ladies (one of whom is secretly his mother) to Las Vegas for a week to see if he can manage to not date his mother.

    • @Rhynerd
      @Rhynerd 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Honin Akecheta good news then, I managed to look it up and the game on steam! store.steampowered.com/app/757540/?snr=1_5_9__205
      It’s simply called Oedipus Dating Sim. No idea if it’s available elsewhere.

    • @milascave2
      @milascave2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      rynard: There is no free will in that story. He will date his mother no matter how hard he tries not to. Everything he does to try to not date his mother will lead to him dating his mother.

  • @avili9733
    @avili9733 5 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    I like the one version I read where Artemis was friends with Echo and was angry about Narcisis and was the one who set up him finding his reflection so captivating.

    • @ametsunami4070
      @ametsunami4070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Of course Artemis is friends with echo, she’s friends with all the nymphs

    • @mackenziewoloschuk7375
      @mackenziewoloschuk7375 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      She pays Nemesis to lure him to the reflective pool that she herself created-

    • @justintime3656
      @justintime3656 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She would do that

  • @aldrinspade
    @aldrinspade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +389

    "Zeus or Poseidon taking a liking to you" I think Zeus is the real threat, seeing as Amphitrite, Poseidon's wife, just does not care. Dating Poseidon has no consequences. Also, I just realized, Hephaestus would be the best option. Look how good of a husband he was to Aphrodite. Feel free to argue.

    • @alexconn7473
      @alexconn7473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      For girls I think that the hephaestus route would be like a beauty and the beast sort of situation where despite hephaestus having a messed up face the player still falls for him due to his gentle and kind nature

    • @ametsunami4070
      @ametsunami4070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Amphitrite and posiden were in an open relationship; change my mind

    • @flynnvoid7694
      @flynnvoid7694 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      That awkward moment when each and every one of them is a rapist...

    • @yesthatmousyiris4887
      @yesthatmousyiris4887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@flynnvoid7694 Ikr its messed up.

    • @tyrant-den884
      @tyrant-den884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Pseidon also tends to give his lovers some cool gifts too. He'll even make you a guy, he don't judge.

  • @allelon8284
    @allelon8284 6 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    I'm not much for dating sims, but I'd play "Ancient Greece: Dating Sim" every route. And I'd actually buy the game. And merch. Everything.

    • @kaorimiyazono2299
      @kaorimiyazono2299 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who would you date?

    • @rizzolaroux
      @rizzolaroux 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kaori Miyazono
      I would date Hecate.

  • @araccoon8347
    @araccoon8347 6 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    I am Narcissus's little brother,
    Social Anxietus! I die every time someone looks at me!

  • @kathpile
    @kathpile 4 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    Echo's story is very sad, I've read that after being rejected she went into a cave and died, being a nymph she turnt into rocks and this is why we hear echoes in caves

    • @valh889
      @valh889 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I read that too! Plus when Narcissus finds his reflection he tries to talk to it and Echo, being Echo, accidentally makes him think it's a water nymph when she's really just hopelessly pining even after his rejection. She needed a man/woman who could treat her right.
      (Also another girl whose name I forgot asked Nemesis to give Narcissus his just desserts and *that's* how she got involved. I love Greek mythology.)

    • @spacecat8511
      @spacecat8511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wasn’t she originally a mountain nymph? And since she’s vanished all except her voice that’s cursed to only ever copycat, she kinda just lingers in mountains now

    • @zainmudassir2964
      @zainmudassir2964 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone should write a fanfic where Echo finds a good man and finds happiness

  • @themelodystar4286
    @themelodystar4286 6 ปีที่แล้ว +271

    If you manage to snag Perseus, there's at least a 75% chance of living a full life! (note: you will most likely have to deal with your mother's arrogance and being a part of a terrible prophecy before this)

    • @jacks.6243
      @jacks.6243 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      And you gotta remember to (under all circumstances )close your eyes when he tells you to.

    • @jackielinde7568
      @jackielinde7568 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You also forget that Eros is totally a good ending. It's just that to get there, you have to play a shit ton of point and click games.

  • @TheTsugnawmi2010
    @TheTsugnawmi2010 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    You have to do it now. You have to make that dating sim with every myth/religion ever.

  • @MusicalHell
    @MusicalHell 6 ปีที่แล้ว +303

    Bonus points for the Hairspray ref.

    • @sailoritaly
      @sailoritaly 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Musical Hell Love your videos 👍🏼

    • @kay1065
      @kay1065 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      So I guess we can call Narcissus a selfish fool who never understood

    • @chumpythebunny9000
      @chumpythebunny9000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where is it??

    • @kay1065
      @kay1065 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1:49

    • @chumpythebunny9000
      @chumpythebunny9000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tru, thx

  • @Troublethecat
    @Troublethecat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +237

    The version I remember had Eros shoot him with a love arrow while he was looking at his reflection in the water, but his own ego doing it all on it's own is also pretty great.

    • @Strawberryfrog-te7oq
      @Strawberryfrog-te7oq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Damn even divine power can't stop his narcissism

    • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
      @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you know, there isn't a really canon to mythology, your version could be just as viable

  • @michelsand5399
    @michelsand5399 6 ปีที่แล้ว +348

    A mythological dating sim?...TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!!

    • @sailoritaly
      @sailoritaly 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's called Kamigami no Asobi. It's also an anime

    • @michelsand5399
      @michelsand5399 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sailoritaly is it any good?

    • @sailoritaly
      @sailoritaly 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apparently. It's got a 7.3 out of 10, so that's good at least (Haven't played it myself since I have no interest in men)

    • @michelsand5399
      @michelsand5399 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sailoritaly ah shit. I though it was gonna be both gods and goddesses oh well. You can't win em all.

  • @nickmojo3697
    @nickmojo3697 6 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    I’d love that dating sim without a doubt

    • @sailoritaly
      @sailoritaly 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ever heard of Kamigami no Asobi? It's a dating sim where you can actually date Greek (and Norse) gods

    • @andresmarrero8666
      @andresmarrero8666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sailoritaly probably not as accurate.

    • @sailoritaly
      @sailoritaly 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andres Marrero Eh, probably

  • @Tokuijin
    @Tokuijin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    I remember one version going that Echo was punished by Artemis for associating with Zeus (as Artemis and her associated nymphs are celibate) and that it was Aphrodite punished Narcissus for rejecting Echo so cruelly.
    Said version state that he killed himself when he couldn't embrace his reflection, his blood springing flowers (said grouping of flowers, interestingly, being/including daffodils).

    • @notinorder9630
      @notinorder9630 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Daffodils are scientifically named narcissis and they are poisonous.

    • @Tokuijin
      @Tokuijin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@notinorder9630, which actual narcissists are.
      Poisonous people narcissists are.
      Oddly, daffodils are quite pretty

    • @natnuss98
      @natnuss98 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Tokuijin more like fittingly. Narcissists like Narcis are pretty on teh outside but poisonous in reality.
      Just like decieving plants, who look pretty but are poisonous people who are narcissistic may be pretty to look at but damaging to be around.

    • @merounelorelei2951
      @merounelorelei2951 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought it was Hera that punished her fot stalling her to help zeus and punished her to only repeat phrases. According to the book of mythologies, that's what Hera did, not Athena.

    • @Tokuijin
      @Tokuijin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@merounelorelei2951, that's one telling (every myth have variants on how/why they happened) and I didn't say "Athena", I said Artemis

  • @Nobythulhu
    @Nobythulhu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    A funny thing about Nemesis was that sometimes (oftentimes) her divine retribution would wreak havoc not only on the guilty, but on the people around them as well, implying that a society that allows heinous acts to go unpunished is just as guilty as the perpetrator who performs them.

    • @rds7696
      @rds7696 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I like that

    • @reddytoplay9188
      @reddytoplay9188 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or that retribution or revenge is blind and does not care for the innocent

  • @jonathansports1036
    @jonathansports1036 5 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    "I should make a Greek mythology dating sim..."
    If you did, that'd better be the *gayest* dating sim ever.

    • @PeachBoba1523
      @PeachBoba1523 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Gayer than...Dream Daddy? 😃

    • @randymercedes2511
      @randymercedes2511 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Is Greek mythology so is going to the BI-EST dating sim ever

    • @jdatlas4668
      @jdatlas4668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@randymercedes2511 I am in favor of this.

    • @arthurdias6860
      @arthurdias6860 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jdatlas4668 me too

    • @WraythSkitzofrenik
      @WraythSkitzofrenik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gimme gimme

  • @Object-Impermanence-Official
    @Object-Impermanence-Official 6 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Someone make this dating sim a thing, my life depends on succeeding In the Dionysus ruit. ... No seriously, it does. Pro tip, don't make bets with the gods

  • @vivian_westwood_butworse
    @vivian_westwood_butworse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    no one gives enough credit to the we proudly ship Patroclus and Achilles poster at 2:16 it's goregous

  • @alisonswick889
    @alisonswick889 5 ปีที่แล้ว +808

    Suitors: Without love, what's even worth it?
    Artemis, plus every aromantic/asexual ever to exist: Ah. What a bummer. Truly, a shame.

    • @wot_m8181
      @wot_m8181 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Alison Swick
      True but there’s Orion, sooo... Ace only maybe?

    • @BM-ts1yi
      @BM-ts1yi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@wot_m8181
      He wasn't a romantic partner

    • @Barc-fp8cg
      @Barc-fp8cg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BM-ts1yi He could've though

    • @pinkajou656
      @pinkajou656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh no, how horrible!

    • @hazeltree7738
      @hazeltree7738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Shannon Munroe Red said in a comment on a later video that she was wrong, and Orion was just a friend

  • @Hecatonicosachoron
    @Hecatonicosachoron 6 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    You should totally make that dating sim. With lots of gay dating as well. You could be rich!

    • @Rehida520
      @Rehida520 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      😐🤔😨

  • @Bluey306
    @Bluey306 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    rewatching this video and i realize: y'all why didn't we talk enough about Red flexing her animation skills with the choose your character "menu". (don't come at me with the "it's actually pretty easy--" because yeah i know but also i love that Red did that AT ALL.)

  • @kinarakumudesh7809
    @kinarakumudesh7809 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I love how she kept on bringing Patrochilles into the story

  • @baalgodofrain
    @baalgodofrain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Another fun fact: Nemesis is also the sister of Thanatos, the god of death and the daughter of Nyx and Erebus I can just imagine the family meal

    • @smileyface81mc77
      @smileyface81mc77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      “So four goths walk into a room...”

    • @ponyosurlafalaise1186
      @ponyosurlafalaise1186 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Add Philotes into the mix it'll be even more chaotic (goddess of friendship and also daughter of nyx for some reason)

    • @baalgodofrain
      @baalgodofrain ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ponyosurlafalaise1186 including the other kids like the Fates, Hypnos, Morose and other bad omen gods, it would be a family of goths and the one preppy black sheep

  • @a-healthy-dm-trying-his-be5915
    @a-healthy-dm-trying-his-be5915 6 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    I thought up two ace routes if anyone has any ideas to branch off of these I'd love to hear them! My two ideas are the shipper route and the nice girl/boy/person who listens, depends on which way you’d like to take it. So in the shipper route you can team up with Aphrodite and find all the ships (gay or otherwise) and you become besties with Aphrodite by the end, also may include: picking which god/mortal you help with their love life, having Zeus flirt with you and have Aphrodite smack him across the face, and accidentally starting the Trojan war. Some achievements are: All is fair as long as your ship sails, Shipping war, poor Apollo, the ship has sailed, and shipping besties. The second route is that you're Dionysus' right-hand man/woman/person and every god and mortal whose love life goes downhill (Apollo is there a lot) comes to Dionysus' bar and just complains, if you can get every god/mortal to get back out into the world of love you win! If not you get to feel sad about it for the rest of your life, some achievements include:
    a shoulder to cry on, careful with that sword, Apollo's garden, no thanks, bro, and the bachelor party. These are just random ideas that popped into my head and I probably put way to much thought into this, hope you enjoyed all of this.

    • @moonyasnow36
      @moonyasnow36 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Being Aphrodite’s shipping buddy sounds like a dream come true

    • @dragonboyjgh
      @dragonboyjgh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      You forgot "Launched 1000 Ships" which would be a really solid achievement name as well for the reference/pun.

    • @marie5349
      @marie5349 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@Alpin Art PLUS if you choose to play as a girl you can date Artemis at the end

    • @mycomnithegreat434
      @mycomnithegreat434 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How would one unlock the achievements you listed? I can probs guess that 'Shipping War' is accidentally causing the Trojan war, but I'm not sure about the other ones. If you don't have them all decided, might I suggest that 'All is Fair as Long as Your Ship Sails' consists of breaking up a "canonical" couple (like Achilles/Patroclus, Eros/Psyche, Hades/Persphone, etc), or other such unethical things to get a ship together? Also achievement suggestions: #'Nice Going Casanova': Fail to get a ship together, #'Romeo/Juliet': Pair a couple together, only for them to die at the end (Achilles/Patroclus would be an easy way to get this achievement)

  • @themelodystar4286
    @themelodystar4286 6 ปีที่แล้ว +376

    I am so for the idea of a dating sim: Greek mythology edition

    • @casualcyberguy1314
      @casualcyberguy1314 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'd bang hades

    • @agehamochizuki
      @agehamochizuki 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      They have one it’s called kamisama no asobi. There’s a game and an anime

    • @mitchellneu
      @mitchellneu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dibs on dating Aphrodite. The literal goddess of love? It's a shoe-in.

  • @DaRealRessonance
    @DaRealRessonance 6 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Echo uses charm:it has little effect!
    Nemesis uses pool:it’s super effective
    Plz comment

  • @shingshongshamalama
    @shingshongshamalama 5 ปีที่แล้ว +676

    Nemesis: *destroys the vapid self-indulgent himbo in the most ironically delicious way imaginable for such crimes against love*
    Aphrodite: "holy shit I think I'm in love"

    • @rainbowmothraleo
      @rainbowmothraleo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Oh no... it's a new pairing!

    • @tyrant-den884
      @tyrant-den884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      N: "You know I'd just be punishing for cheating on your husband, right?"
      A: "Ooh, can he watch too? That sounds like fun!"

    • @adeleaslan8182
      @adeleaslan8182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      First of all, this would be such a cool relationship for Aphrodite to have, second, since Aphrodite is love how come I haven’t heard any stories of her loving women?

    • @jess4334
      @jess4334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@adeleaslan8182 IKR

    • @thegoodwitchluzura
      @thegoodwitchluzura 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It could be a cute pairing.

  • @sailorstarchild
    @sailorstarchild 6 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    What if Narcissus had like siblings that were just exaggerated versions of different traits. Like Anxietis, the overly anxious. The thought of social contact makes him faint.

    • @SlimTony
      @SlimTony 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Sounds like a fanfic waiting to happen

    • @adamwise1111
      @adamwise1111 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Um, you mean me?

    • @ArkAwaits
      @ArkAwaits 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      same

    • @amandajohnson3531
      @amandajohnson3531 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice Jaidenanimations reference

    • @lallalosa
      @lallalosa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm sure there is but he is too nervous to tell his story.

  • @unicornilluminati9019
    @unicornilluminati9019 6 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    I would 100% play a greek mythology dating sim

    • @cesargonzalez6651
      @cesargonzalez6651 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I keep thinking about which characters would be hardcore mode, like trying to date Apollo or Helen and don't died.

    • @Gimmie_Orangejuice
      @Gimmie_Orangejuice 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same

  • @allelon8284
    @allelon8284 6 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Petition for Blue to code the game (I heard he mentioned coding in his collage videos) and for Red to do the visuals.

  • @doriangrayapologist
    @doriangrayapologist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    "also, as is pretty common among cute boys in greek mythology, he turns into a flower upon dying..."
    It's okay, you can say hyacinthus.

  • @swordschannel3709
    @swordschannel3709 6 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    Do the Greek dating sim! I think a humorous take on Greek mythology with animu aspects would be the best thing to waltz it's way on steam

  • @Anastas1786
    @Anastas1786 6 ปีที่แล้ว +805

    Hmmm... I could go for Hades, provided I didn't have to compete with Persephone. The H-man _is_ honestly one of the best in the pantheon as I see it, but actually _stealing_ a goddess' man sounds like a shortcut to "fertility" being redefined from "I can have children" to "a literal _garden_ is bursting from my loins and the vines are starting to dig through my abdominal wall".

    • @CoolG97
      @CoolG97 6 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      Considering what Persephone did to last one that tried to flirt with Hades, you're not wrong.

    • @jeanetten.s.8557
      @jeanetten.s.8557 6 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      *sees very detailed threat* Are you okay?

    • @kiryulover317
      @kiryulover317 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Didn't that happen to the river sprite/nymph/whatever? I think that was the origin story of how the plant mint came to be.

    • @Boss_Isaac
      @Boss_Isaac 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      +Katherine Barrow
      Yep. Minthe; she was a naiad of the Kokytos, one of the five rivers that run through the Underworld.

    • @neroblack2704
      @neroblack2704 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Okay I have a question: Why not date Apollo? I know everyone that he ends up falling for ends up dead like they said in the video but so far it doesn't seem to be his fault, they either commit suicide (for....some reason I guess?) Or in that one case that one God got jealous and killed him (which I can't accept Apollo didn't kick Zypher's ass for.) So really none of it is really his fault.
      Otherwise I might have suggested Hephaestus, sure he's not really a looker from most renditions but he's not a murderous psychopath either, problem is he did try to get rather frisky with Athena without her consent one time and I'm not one to suggest hooking up with rapists.
      Now for girls.....yeah not a lot of options they're either not interested in love or already married, If you somehow managed to find and restore Echo back to her old self she seems nice enough but those are some big ifs.

  • @MythicMachina
    @MythicMachina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Alternate ending - Echo grabs something to write with and communicates that way.
    Meanwhile Hera: "wait, hold on, this wasn't supposed to happen!

    • @catsinwonderland7473
      @catsinwonderland7473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      …Hera sees this and also curses Echo with illiteracy.

  • @Ella-bg2ve
    @Ella-bg2ve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Narcissus is literally the definition of ‘I like you but I like me more’

  • @EclipsedTwilight
    @EclipsedTwilight 6 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    There are a few versions of the story of Narcissus. One version goes with the idea that Narcissus fell in love with his own face because he was in love with his twin sister. But when his sister died, his reflection was the closest thing he had to being able to see his beloved sister's face again. He knew it wasn't actually her, but it was the closest he could ever get.
    Also, I seem to remember some versions of the story have Narcissus' parents ask an oracle if he'll have a long, healthy life shortly after his birth. The oracle basically says if he doesn't come to 'recognize himself', he'll live a long time. Apparently seeing his reflection in the water was the first time he 'recognized himself', and so he didn't live a long life (he was about 15 when he died).

    • @BubblegumLightsaber
      @BubblegumLightsaber 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The second one was the version that I read, as well.

    • @alexlawson4173
      @alexlawson4173 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hmm. An attractive 15 year old boy.

    • @Arnaz87
      @Arnaz87 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I only knew about the second version

  • @littleprincess4615
    @littleprincess4615 5 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    New idea: play dating sim. Become narcissus. Date yourself.

    • @GB-hk7ko
      @GB-hk7ko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Greece: become Narcissus.

    • @NotMorax
      @NotMorax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ah yes, self-cest

  • @tomsmurf4225
    @tomsmurf4225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Greek mythology dating sim
    Character: Pasiphae
    New Mission: *Load of Bull*
    Objectives:
    - Talk to Daedalus
    - Acquire bull costume
    - Sneak into royal stables

    • @redwitch12
      @redwitch12 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, so this would be the 18+ Only version of the game...

  • @alecxander9573
    @alecxander9573 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    *when you realize that Nemesis's plan backfired because Narcissus died happy.*

    • @brookedickson4118
      @brookedickson4118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      weeeeeeeeell, kind of... but he was also overcome with sheer longing, so, debatable.

  • @jaydenliberty9536
    @jaydenliberty9536 6 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I will design that game with you it’s so good

    • @emilleanthonette
      @emilleanthonette 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Count me in!

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've never played a dating sim, but this sounds fun

    • @tutovo9929
      @tutovo9929 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      me too!

    • @amastyn_1106
      @amastyn_1106 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Please make it!!

    • @moonallmoon
      @moonallmoon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I would play the heck out of a godly dating sim

  • @cucaulwell1287
    @cucaulwell1287 6 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    OOoooooh I love the videogame format! Are you actually gonna do Sappho, Patroclus and Helen in this style? (If you made one on Sappho I think the lesbian portion of Tumblr would explode XD)
    Also: I've read several versions of the Narcissus myth, mostly in mythology anthologies, and a few of them mention something similar to the story of Ameinias... except it's a straight girl. She falls in love with Narcissus (duh), writes to him saying she'll die if he won't reciprocate her affection, and he sends her back a sword. Do you think this was a mashup of the Ameinias subplot and another spurned admirer, or did Narcissus just really enjoy giving out death-centric freebies?

    • @reesecamez6888
      @reesecamez6888 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes

    • @milascave2
      @milascave2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      raisin: After reading Sappho's poetry, I got the impression that she, like most ancient Greeks, was bi. Of course, this would cause a huge scandal if it became widely known.

    • @kennethfoster3913
      @kennethfoster3913 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean, there's a non-lesbian portion of Tumblr?

  • @azada83
    @azada83 5 ปีที่แล้ว +352

    The ad for this vid is for a narcissist behavior help video. Ironic.

    • @MaladyKayjo
      @MaladyKayjo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      No it coincidental, it would be ironic if the ad was about being modest

  • @dreameater8548
    @dreameater8548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Echo: Bad End
    Ameinias: Bad End
    Némesis: **H E A V E N S. F E E L**

  • @thecomplicatedlife6968
    @thecomplicatedlife6968 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I haven’t seen this much love in a room since Narcissus discovered himself

  • @Taiyama2
    @Taiyama2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +509

    Is it weird that I find Echo's curse to be really cute?

    • @alvaroperez2349
      @alvaroperez2349 5 ปีที่แล้ว +112

      Well, when your name is literally echo, you should’ve seen this coming

    • @chelsey8737
      @chelsey8737 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@alvaroperez2349 I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT 😂😂😂

    • @michaellight6981
      @michaellight6981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Probably not so fun for her. Also, you probably don't want to look to deeply into that.

    • @platogkrone7161
      @platogkrone7161 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No.

    • @Spot_Faceless-Soldier
      @Spot_Faceless-Soldier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly, i think it's funny.

  • @brenine3104
    @brenine3104 6 ปีที่แล้ว +267

    "Artemis had the right idea."
    Says the ace.

    • @somerandofilipino6957
      @somerandofilipino6957 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait, who's the ace?

    • @teamcybr8375
      @teamcybr8375 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@somerandofilipino6957 Red. It was in one of their Q&As.
      I don't think she specified her romantic preferences, unless she mentioned that another time.

    • @RashmikaLikesBooks
      @RashmikaLikesBooks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yeah, i think she said she's ace but she is into romantic stuff. Their Q & As are so interesting!

    • @Gooberwares
      @Gooberwares 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      BreNine didn’t she have a relationship with Orion though?

    • @teamcybr8375
      @teamcybr8375 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Gooberwares Yes. She did love one man at one point during her immortal life.
      I don't think Artemis was supposed to be ace/aro. I'm pretty sure it was just a personal decision she made about how she was going to live her life.

  • @polinaignatenkova3634
    @polinaignatenkova3634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I hope I'm not the only one who loves how androgynous Narcissus is? It somehow fits him extremely well.

  • @Centaur987
    @Centaur987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Those Hairspray lines were just so seemless, made me immediately give a like

  • @greenoftreeblackofblue6625
    @greenoftreeblackofblue6625 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Damn even when you play as Narcissus you get a bad end for your love for Narcissus

  • @mullac1992
    @mullac1992 6 ปีที่แล้ว +676

    "The only way to win this game is not to play"
    This is asexual propaganda and I will not have it!

    • @draggyscalie6494
      @draggyscalie6494 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      The asexuals are spreading their sexuality

    • @draggyscalie6494
      @draggyscalie6494 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @Rebecca Bjelopera Red is asexual propaganda along with all my other fellow aces

    • @mullac1992
      @mullac1992 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Rebecca Bjelopera
      ThatsTheJoke.jpg

    • @draggyscalie6494
      @draggyscalie6494 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@mullac1992 dude you should have typed r/wooosh

    • @sunnychains6541
      @sunnychains6541 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I will gladly join that propaganda

  • @launch4
    @launch4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    You know between the fact that Narcissus thinks that he is the single most brilliant point in the universe, and is so consumed with their own magnificence that he couldn't care less about what others think and feel about him... It's ironic that he is actually the exact opposite of the psychological condition that was named after him.

    • @AnArtistDoesThings
      @AnArtistDoesThings ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, he's the exact same, that's why they named it after him. You're thinking of social anxiety.

  • @kyubbiman2255
    @kyubbiman2255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    You don't date Hades or Persephone, you date both of them and become part of their open marriage

  • @clivebby4877
    @clivebby4877 6 ปีที่แล้ว +335

    I honestly would date Dionysus... like I really want to...

    • @felixisdying2974
      @felixisdying2974 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Bounty The quicker picker upper You go get that wonder twink!

    • @2tired2p1
      @2tired2p1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Athena. I know I would fail, but still.

    • @virusguy5611
      @virusguy5611 6 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      You can totally date Dionysus. You just need to be dumped on a deserted island by the hero who slew the Minotaur first!

    • @eddiespeight8103
      @eddiespeight8103 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Have you read Bacchae? He could pull off some disturbing stuff if he wanted to.

    • @MrS-in8pp
      @MrS-in8pp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bounty The quicker picker upper Then do it 🤷‍♂️

  • @mitchells.5862
    @mitchells.5862 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've gotta say, your animation in this video is ASTOUNDING, especially on the character select screen. It's amazing to see how far you've come and I can't wait to see how far you'll go in the future! (Also can't wait for more tragic love stories of the ancient Greek variety)

  • @themandownstairs4765
    @themandownstairs4765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love how in Red's retelling Nemesis doesn't even cast a spell on him, Narcissus has just never seen his reflection all that clearly