The goddess of Being Fair, who will return to take the world back to how it was before there were pesky emperors around to exile people. I wonder why Ovid liked her
The idea that the Golden Age was a time before social classes definitely predates Ovid (it's what Saturnalia was all about), but I can absolutely see why that in particular resonated with him.
@@sammyfrogg yes. She is a handy goddess for those who think the world sucks and should be better. She also has wrapped up with her that handy promise that the world will be better again when she comes back. Ovid had lived through the Roman civil wars of the late republic and early imperial age. Aratus had probably experienced the wars of Alexander the Pretty Alright and the wars of the Diadochi squabbling over the remnants of Alexander’s conquests.
6:41 "The world had once existed in this beautiful, primeval, pastoralist state where the land provided everything humanity needed without requiring any work." *"AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS!"*
things I did not expect it to happen on this video: 1) Being reminded of Hade's alleged daughter 2) Red being pissed enough to swear 3) The rainbow crow 4) The Prophecy making a comeback 5) Red being pissed enough to swear _and_ leave it uncensored
Ways to incur Red’s divine wrath: 1) Make up fake myth 2)Make up fake myth with tie-in constellation 3) Steal and burn the Library of Alexandria (Blue learned this the hard way😅) ❤💙
4) Write down the myths of cultures that previously didn't have writing but you know… put your own special spin on it based on your religion, or just for giggles. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
also 4) Invent real myth thousands of years ago that suspiciously matches up to literary tropes that wont become popular for thousands of years so that you have to be extremely skeptical about whether this actually real myth is real or not.
Saturn: "Oh you could have an entire epoch of peace, prosperity, fairness, and a lack of seafaring that is unironically called the 'Golden Age', but you eat one or eleven kids, and suddenly you're 'Saturn the Tyrannical Child Devourer'."
So, from a mythographical standpoint, the story of Astraea is just Aratus and Ovid's version of "We live in a society, reject humanity, return to monkey"? Cool, glad to see literally nothing has changed.
Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were lots of people in previous empires that thought that - and I wouldn't be surprised if even ancient Hominids thought of something like that too, even if they are the closest people could get to "retuning to monkey".
you want even harder evidence that time is a flat circle and nothing ever changes? look up the graffiti found in spartan barracks. it all says exactly what you think it will, having been in a locker room.
Hey, so fun fact. This is the typical psychological response to rapid growth of technology. "Cottage core" gets popular whenever city populations boom, basically.
*Astraea looks at people building boats* Astraea: Oh no. Looks like the world ... *Astraea puts on sunglasses* Astraea: ... has really gone to ships. *Prophecy metal sting starts playing, explosions*
“Are there no depths to which we won’t sink?!” I think someone needs to explain the concept of a boat to Red, she’s gotten a little to comfortable on land.
6:03 The names are very thematic. Gold is pure and incorruptable, Silver is pure but tarnishes over time, Bronze tarnishes even faster, and Iron completely rusts into nothing.
Another reason is the "value" of the metals (duh) and the actual latin text specifically implies that the "iron" age is called that bc thats what you make weapons of war from, and thats what was done during that age. So, really really fits
_Another_ reason is that each successive metal is harder. Gold is very soft while one of the reasons we switched from bronze to iron is because iron weapons would actually cut into bronze ones. So as the ages progress, the people in them become less innocent (preciousness of the metal) but more competent (hardness of the metal), with the people of the Golden Age being akin to innocent children unable to take care of themselves and those of the Iron Age being grim men forced through hardship and circumstance to build civilizations just to survive.
"And Zeus is ... maker of heroes." So that's what he's calling it these days. I prefer the old phrase "kidnapping women and doing the bad stuff, often without asking first." And Hera blames the women Zeus victimizes.
yeah..... i've been interested for a while in a myth retelling exploring hera's wrath as misdirected because she can't take it out on zeus or misunderstood godly tests/help in a bigger goal a la heracles wanting to be the greatest hero and she manipulates so that he has to do more impressive things. obviously that would have to be a very modern take on hera, not even remotely the way the ancient greeks would have thought of or portrayed her, but i think it could be a very interesting story
@@mehmeh2255 Yeah, the Greek gods were a messed-up bunch, especially the Olympic Gods. There are a few decent ones, like Dionyses, Hades (who gets a real bum rap in modern media as a Satan stand in) and Hermes. I don't think it was ever stated that Hera went after the many "loves" of Zeus because she couldn't go after Zeus for making their marriage a mockery. (And Marriage and Home are her wheelhouses.) But I can see that read. Then again, the ancient Greeks were not much on girl power and women's rights. But our own society has a problem of seeing the Other Woman as a hussy, cheat, and marriage breaker in the same way Hera does, again without taking into consideration if the other person even knew, let alone agreed to be in that kind of relationship.
It is more because there are so many Greek city states that want strong associations with the head god, that so many of them claim Lineage fron Zeus. So in order to join the cool kids clubs, the city states makes myths about Zeus's courtship with their ancestors
@jackielinde7568 The main examples I can think of Hera being unable to go against Zeus is when she tricks him with the girdle so Zeus punishes her by hanging her by chains from anvils, and there is a story where Hephaestus' deformity is caused by Zeus throwing him off the mountain for defending Hera when he was angry at her. So there is evidence that Hera can't do anything against him; but just thematically it wouldn't make sense for her to do anything against him anyways, even without these stories
Astraea: Okay this Iron Age is a bit overwhelming but I think I can handle this- Humanity: *invents boats* Astraea: LO HUMANITY IS IRREDEEMABLE I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE-
@@dimaignatiev6370 She's a goddess but not an olympian. The titans are pretty much just the children and grandchildren of Ouranos and Gaia, while the Olympians are only the descendants of Kronos and Rhea. Astraea is one of the daughters of Astraeus and Eos, the parents to the personifications of the four winds and the stars.
"That's what happens when your prophesies are vague; they get Jesused. Which I feel like a good oracle should have seen coming." We can tell how proud Red is of this joke by the barely suppressed huff of laughter when she tells it. 😂
i really spent this whole video going "okayyyy this is sounding very Jeus-retconned with the whole divine entity of justice and purity left but will return later as a Super Special Baby" only to also go "ah, other way around"
There did seem to be quite a couple of stories of "divine saviors" floating around the 1st century BC, Mithradates VI of Pontus was connected to one if I remember correctly.
I was getting weird christian vibes from the wikipedia summary - I was *truly* not expecting this to turn into "this was the mythological space that the christians got those vibes from"
@@CyreneDuVent Generally speaking a lot of neo-pagans attribute a lot of their Traditions being stolen by Christianity and Islam but it's often the other way around, Norse, Slavic and Celtic myth is very much within the context of a christian framework given that a 1/3 of the source for them were within a already Christianized region of the world and have their own Christian concepts imbedded in their mythology, A lot of said myths have their own version "Jesus have come this place, Time to pack up" at the end of their story like Kalevala. For example, The most pop history take of Easter being taken from the Goddess Easter but that is merely a anglo-centric view of Christianity, Given that Christianity is often forgotten as a successor religion to Second Temple Judaism, "Easter" is a Germanic word and Germania was not even close where the center of early Christianity at the time, Pascha is what Easter is called in the East and It is not based on a Goddess but a derivative of the Jewish Passover given that Christ was crucified during the Jewish Passover. Also Fundamentally, Christianity and Islam is a universalist and Missionary faith, How each impact a culture have their own way of adapting into a local culture often have very different exchange and the transition will always be very Syncretic, Neo-Pagans disregard the fact that it isn't a one-sided relationship with every religion interacting but a exchange will always happen same with the Christians and Muslims themselves who is rooted in Judaism disregarding the Mesopotamian and Babylonian aspect of the Old Testament and some parts of the Quran
@@CyreneDuVent Basically Judaism borrowed from a lot of Babylonian concepts, which includes the flood, Eden being in some place in Mesopotamia, and even genealogies with ppl who are really really old. A lot of genesis is borrowed from common babylonian motifs except for the fact that there's only one major god.
Well, Judaism's patriarch is Chaldean, aka Babylonian. So the Jews came from the area where these thoughts were circulating around. Personally I think it is less borrowed and more both reciting their common accounts or stories, whichever you want to say. Did you hear about the British Museum volunteer finding a missing piece of this ancient Babylon Map of the World. It's very exciting stuff! Check out Irving Finkel nerding out over it. It helped them decipher the thing and realize it mentions mount Ararat as the place where one can see the old frame of the ark from the flood, just like the Torah says that's where it came to rest!
The bit about The Prophecy including a return to a rule of Kronos is interesting. It's not just "things will be better for humans", it's "the gods will pay" too
@@GloomdrakeI guess Ovid hates the gods so much he would risk a Titanomachy (the destructive war between the gods and titans), round 2 electric boogaloo, just to get rid of them. Damn the more I learn about him, the more he sounds like one of those petty insane evil cult worshippers, hoping to bring the end of the world.
My favorite false ancient Chinese proverb is "run down side of collapsing building, perfectly fine. Step on child's toy, fall and break your leg" from Jackie Chan adventures
It does ring true though. I'm sure we can all think of times we were doing something dumb and reckless and, say, fell off a roof without issue, but then did end up walking with a limp for two weeks after something completely dull, safe, and practical like crouching down to get something out of the bottom kitchen drawer went freakishly wrong in the worst conceivable way. I mean, personal experience alone says that jumping from a moving car to impress my friends has hurt me far, far less than simply walking down my front steps.
Gotta love the way that "stuff was better back then let's make up a fiction about it to pretend its true" attitude of people was still present over 2000 years ago. People never change.
people been people'n for quite some time. I like to think our buddies erectus were alot more like us than chimps, and although they couldn't speak like us, im sure they communicated and we had to get our gregoriousness and need from socialization from some side of the family tree. 2 million years of people or people-adjacent.
“They get Jesused” has got to be my absolute favorite line in any script that you’ve written. Jesus and Odin. All roads lead to one or the other. That conveniently explains a good chunk of Gaiman’s body of work too.
"I haven't used that 'The Prophecy' sting joke in eight real years!" ... Why don't you just burry me already? You've already killed me in my old age with that one.
Well, it's kind of a Barnum statement. One of those sentences everybody can identify with. I mean, nobody would say of themselves that they don't like learning new things. That would kinda imply you prefer to stay obvious to the world out there and any new experience, right? Similarly, who of us does not have some hobby or interested we picked up at some point but never came around to "finish"?
That moment you develop a Special Interest for, like, three months, only for it to move on to a new topic. So you just have this wide swath of entry level knowledge on tons of subjects, without ever acquiring true mastery. Couldn't be me. /s
I don't even love learning new things anymore because I have too many old things that I have to learn more about Dx (Got diagnosed with ADHD this year lol)
I must admit, conceptually a virgin goddess of justice and purity does feel like something that might be introduced to a mythology post-Christianisation. As with the theory that Loki, in Norse Mythology, was invented by Christians to be a Satan figure, you could imagine Astreas being invented to parallel the Virgin Mary in Greek myth. That this is not the case is quite refreshing
@@covenawhite4855Honestly, Loki is less evil and more problematic. In D&D terms, I’d call him proper Chaotic Neutral. He’ll ruin your week for a laugh and help you on a quest after if he thinks it’ll be fun (or you threaten him enough).
Loki is not a Satan figure, not definitively at least and as far as I know he wasn't *invented* by Christians; people just really like connecting him to Satan, because he's the mother of monsters, kind of like with Hades and the Underworld.
@@LuperisNone I am aware that the Loki as Satan theory is hotly debated, I simply reference as an example of how later Christian writers can introduce elements into myth. Perhaps a better point of reference would be turning the old gods of Ireland into human survivors of Noah's Flood, in Irish myth, but I didn't think of it at the time
I’m glad to learn about Astraea becoming Virgo as it’s my star sign. And well I don’t believe in using star signs to dictate your life, I’ve always thought i had the most boring one. But learning that she’s the goddess of Justice, Innocence, & Purity instead of just unmarried woman, makes me happy.
Funnily enough, that may well have been a weird tidbit that inspired Tolkien. One of the first great sins of the Noldor (elves exiled from heaven for thinking heaven was boring) was - well, massacring the ship-building elves to get their fishing boats and use them to sail to distant shores. Weird to think how much of fantasy is really just...well, religion fanfic
I love that the "golden age" concept is addressed in the Hades 2 video game: they continuously talk about how so many mortals believe in Chronos' golden age, and a lot of the dialogue from gods and other characters seem to strongly imply that this isn't just a lie Chronos is spreading, but an actual time the mortals had it better, making them more willing to go against the gods.
**slaps table** So I'm NOT the only one who's going "Wait a minute wait a minute, this all sounds REALLY similar to what they're setting up in Hades 2!!" XD I just didn't remember "Golden Age" until you did, and then I remembered all the gold showing up in Tartarus! Good call! :P
Aaaggghhh I cannot wait for that game to come out of early access. I'm sure it's well worth the money now, but the story was the best part of the first game and I don't want any of it spoiled before it's at its best (also the pacing of the first game broke if you were too good so I need to be out-of-practice to experience it properly).
Weird how in varying sources the Child Eating/Killing God is seen as the Good One. I wonder if him sacrificing his children is some ritual for "the greater good" and we're just missing context.
Zeus also according to some sources made him the king of the blessed isles which i think its in elysium aka greek heaven...so he probably knows what hes doing.
I was literally thinking that Astraea sounded an awful lot like the Virgin Mary and then there ends up being a prophecy that inadvertently alludes to the birth of Jesus Christ. Hilarious
read anything written by Hesiod, the way he describes Zeus is very similar to the way the Christian God is described - at least in the translation I read.
@6:58 “And SAILING! Are there no depths to which we won’t sink?” In fairness, I think the general principle of sailing is to avoid sinking to any depths.
One of my history professors pointed out that the idea that things roughly improve over the course of history is actually a relatively recent idea - like, from the renaissance. In ancient greece and even throughout medieval times, there was this generally accepted idea that all the great works had already been done, and history was kind of over.
Plus, if you consider the average life of the average person in, say, 1000 BCE, would that person's grandparent's lives have been particularly different? What about their grandkids? What about the life of their descendants in 500 CE? For much of human history, change was slow and incremental, and what leaps and bounds did occur didn't really effect your life toiling away in the fields, tending to your herd, or crafting farm tools. Sometimes the metal improved, sometimes war happened, but in general, life did not change much for a very long time. And then, all of a sudden, it got really different really fast, and from there it only changed more rapidly. Now we have maglev trains, smartphones, orbital satellites and Starbucks.
Imagine you're a commoner in the medieval ages, living in the (Holy) Roman Empire. You're supposed to follow the ten commandments, so that you may go to Heaven and you're literally waiting for the world to end, because the rupture could happen anytime.
@AegixDrakan it gets wild when Romans did it. Like all these Roman's sitting around in their city and being "man we need to go back to the good old days and follow the truths of the founders." Like...what.
Yeah, Saturn wearing a shirt that says 'Don't talk to me till I've devoured my kids' is the funniest part of the video, but I am very happy that there are at least some types of stories that seem fake but end up real. That always feels really nice to read.
The Pythia *_is_* a conduit through which the lord Apollon, the God of Enlightenment that he is who no doubt fancies himself as _The Artist™~_ par excellence (largely bcuz he _is_ lmao), communicates to man the will of Zeus, so it's on brand to have a flair for _✨theatrics✨._ 😋
EmperorTigerstar in the comment section pog , I remember you from that "why yakko's world is not a good geography song" video! Great youtuber and keep on your work!
As a huge Lord of the Rings fan, "it's fine" is a very accurate summary of the Silmarillion. If you like reading history textbooks for fun, give it a go
Somehow, I read it and several other of his background works, and yet never remembered a single detail until I hit fanfic of it. Really great at world-building, but a little less so at gripping and memorable narratives, was Mr. Tolkien.
I like it more then LOTR, it's probably my favorite book. I don't get the "history textbook" comment. I mean, the first two chapters (anulindalë and valaquenta) are pretty boring, but the quenta silmarillion itself is full of great and tragic stories. And the scale is just so large compated to LOTR. It's a bit like the greek mythologies, where everything was bigger and more epic in the past.
For better or for worse I've learned about Astraea from FGO. Neat to know they kinda line up, being Fate is known to take liberties in their characters
"The bronze age quickly followed by the iron age sees humanity discover the evils of war and money, which from Aratus's perspective is just war with extra steps." Is.. is he wrong, though?
I mean, from a certain point of view, it makes sense. The boats were used to bring war to distant lands, lands that had never done anything bad to those people at all. For a goddess of justice and innocence, colonialism of a far off place that has nothing to do with someone must be a REALLY special kind of evil.
As an avid watched for a few years now, god knows how many, I love that "the prophecy"™ still has a guitar riff! And a different one than all previous ones Okay watched a bit more and 8 YEARS??? oh my god the time has passed
Two things that I find particularly interesting about this. One of them is that inventing boats is part of what causes the downfall, which is an interesting take in the context of a nation that used naval power so heavily. It's a mistake to draw to much of an analogy but it kind of reminds me of our relationship with the industrial revolution or atomic energy. It's also extremely interesting to me that it portrays the titans as ruling over an idyllic world, whereas when the gods that they actually worshipped came in, things got worse for humans. I don't know what that says about their relationship to their religion but it's interesting.
Poseidon being god of both earthquakes and ocean makes sense since when an earthquake hits, often follows a tsunami, thus linking the two domains quite neatly.
I like how that whole Golden/Silver age changeup basically means _Zeus_ perfectly fits the "Userper king under whose rule everything goes to shit" trope. Granted, it _is_ Ovid so. You know. I wonder how closely that tracks with the older versions since I _really_ don't know much beyond the basics (and what Red has covered) of Ancient Greek myths.
The tricky thing is that Hesiod (who Ovid's works are heavily based on) was a "deteriorationist" and things getting worse over time is a common theme throughout his works. Both "Theogany" (a genealogy of the Greek gods) and "Works and Days" (which contains both the "Myth of Five Ages" and "Pandora's Box") contain this subtheme.
Zeus was the fair judge among the gods and the one keeping everything in balance. He was also a protector of travellers and the one who started the age of humanity. Zeus is the one who devided the work and domains fairly among deities, so they all would rule fairly, and he always stop them from quarrelling before things get too serious. Zeus wasn't a "bad ruler" by any means..he was literally the god of justice and kingship......
@@N.I.A23 Yeah that is part of what makes Greek Mythology so tricky. Most of the "common knowledge" about the Greek gods is based on what amounts to edgy fanfiction poems as the various cults didn't really record the primary myths.
Did you watch _Kaos?_ I'm not sure how much I "enjoyed" it or whether I would recommend it, but Jeff Goldblum's Zeus was the "shitty, petty, paranoid God-King" that I've always hoped would get represented in media.
Since Red mentioned the Silmarillion, that got me thinking: I'd love to see a video on Tolkien's works and all the mythological, historical, linguistic, etc. stuff he drew inspiration from.
As a Classic Summarised or as a Miscellaneous Myths is the question. (I mean, former obviously but the idea of treating Silmarillion like real mythology is nice to me.)
@@gokbay3057 Tolkien was heavily inspired by the Finnish national epic the Kalevala, with the Silmarillion having many, many parallels with it (for instance, the story of Turin Turambar is nearly a beat for beat retelling of the story of Kullervo, which Tolkien had originally attempted to write a straight-up retelling of), so in a way you're not far off.
@shadowkhan422 Spiritually it does apply, the Connection to God had been restored and all Mankind came be with him even the dead and pagans were saved during the 3 days before his rising. I don't wanna get on millennialism because you are asking to get your house caught on fire for that but TLDR, Age of Grace is spiritually mankind's golden age (if your christian)
"We have finally found the entrance to the true kings tomb." *Knocks on the door* "Yes?" "Hello, this is the IRS. It seems you have 3,000 years worth of unpaid taxes. We've come to claim the tomb."
Now I understand why I never liked being a virgo that much: that gal wants me away from the sea. Lady, I'm an underwater archaeologist. I do scuba diving to investigate sunken ships. Why do you want me to not do the coolest job in this world? Anyway the pin is maybe the first virgo-related thing I've ever liked (apart of the Realta webcomic) so it was the fastest purchase of my live as a self-present for my birthday
Astraea is like that one kid from 3rd grade who you thought would always make up stuff about his dad being super rich and cool or smth and then when you go to his house its somehow actually true.
The term “Golden Age” was popularized by Hesiod and later refined by Ovid. I think it was Ovid who said the world by Saturn (Kronos’ Roman name) in the Golden Age.
I’m starting to wonder if Supergiant Games read the source Red found for the actual prophecy of Astraea, and that’s where some of the inspiration for Hades 2 came from. Where is the plot gonna go, I wonder? (It should be noted that I got distracted from Hades 2 and haven’t played it since the start of Early Access)
@@joshuahunt3032 I mean, probably? Fun fact: read the end of the patch notes. There's usually a quote there. SGG is weirdly well-read for a game studio.
The Space OSP videos always come at the points when my astronomy obsession is rattling in the corner and demanding waffle fries, and they’re always so much fun! /pos. Also sailing being THE LINE (among other lines) that Astraea wouldn’t cross is absolutely hilarious.
In all fairness to the sinful boat thing, I imagine to a collection of seafaring city states, boats are probably a slippery slope towards conquest and all the violence and selfishness that sort of thing entails, lol
It hits hard considering that most modern interpretations of Greek Mythology put the Titans and specially Cronos as overlords of evil that exists only to destroy. But every single mention in the Original Mythology puts the Titans of best rulers of the Cosmos, with Cronos as the Titan of Time and Harvest, two things essential to all humans, and besides eating his kids, comes off as a pretty good guy. But that get the Titans get usurped by Zeus and the Gods, that proceeds to make everything worse for everyone, everywhere. Its comes off as the Return of Cronos as a Golden Age really easy to root for against the crimes of Zeus
The titan god of time is actually a separate figure with a very similar name. Chronos for time, Cronos/Kronos for the harvest. Chronos doesn't really _do_ anything, though. He's more like a personification of a natural phenomenon.
@@daviddaugherty2816 It appears by syncretism made by romans (and Ovid) both entities are now merged together. And don’t you mean natural instead of national)
@@GeorgiannaWilliams-sq6ux even funnier, a lot of Roman myths liked Cronos (Saturn for them) so much they added to their religion the story of how Zeus pardoned Cronos (for the crime of being usurped?), released from Tartarus and went to do their usual stick as the Titan of harvest. And apparently Cronos was such a benevolent figure that he had the best celebration of the year, Saturnalia on December, the one celebration that later turned into Christmas. Imagine being so well liked you inspire the goodness of Santa Claus
The only crisis that can't be surpassed is one which leaves everyone dead. And if that happens, there's no one to complain that King Arthur should have showed up by now.
It would also imply England's darkest hour yet to come will be worse than the invasions of the 11th century, the Black Death, the English Civil War, World War I, the Great Depression, & the Blitz.
Imagine Arthur emerging from his tomb, blinking back sleep and asking what people need his help with, and they say something like, "We've spent the last few hundred years destroying the planet, and now rising seas and climate change is threatening to wipe this entire island off the map." ". . . "WELL WHAT DID YOU WANT _ME_ TO DO ABOUT THAT?!?"
Congrats on reading Silmarilion, I really like it! The writing might not be the most breathtaking but the concepts and vibe of mythology are right up my alley
The image of Astraea literally Lion King-ing the Prophecy kid is absolutely hilarious, and I love it, along with the 'Sailing! Are there no depths to which we will not sink?!' and 'Jesus-ed' puns. It'd be great to see a video on the various 'ages' that pop up a lot in mythology. Not just Greek, but also in North, Central, and South American myths, and in the Vedas, too, I think? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@luckluca8982 Slavic mythology studies have really suffered from pseudoarcheologists, fakelorists and literal Nazis spreading outright lies. "The Book of Veles" and "Slavic-Aryan Vedas" are the most notorious examples, but basically 90% of what you would get in the Internet about Slavic deities is either a shaky hypothesis or a lie
@@luckluca8982 the "tradition" of making things up about Slavic folklore dates back to 18th century, but it came to prominence during 1990s, when after USSR collapsed, many people began searching for spiritual meaning Two of the biggest hoaxes include the Book of Veles and Slavic-Aryan Vedas. Both of them were alleged to be pre-Christian Slavic texts, despite very obvious linguistic and historical mistakes. The Book of Veles is a load of gibberish that tries to look like an authentic historical chronicle, while Slavic-Aryan Vedas are the standard ultranationalist nonsense about reptilian jews and aliens. But those books and many others like them has seeped into the broader internet "myth fans" narrative. I often see anglophone people retelling very obviouly fakelore stuff like "Volos was a reflection of Perun", and most of the time I have no idea where they got it from One of the funniest examples is Chislobog, whose name translates to "the god of numbers". He first appeared among Prillwitz idols (a group of allegedly ancient Bulgarian figurines), but then was adopted by two aforementioned books and neopagans. Ingliists (one of the craziest neopagans) believe he flies on something called the "roundflier" (yeah, literally UFO)
Astraea’s last straw being seafaring is so funny but actually makes sense at the same time since she represents purity and innocence *cough cough* Poseidon *cough cough*
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Red feeding her space obsession again
We love to see it!
Hey if that one portal core can have that kind of obsession then why can't Red have it too 24/7 in her mind?
@@billcipher4368space? Space?! SPAAAAAACE!
I can’t blame her, space is amazing.
It's ok bc she's feeding MY space obsession
"I never said all that shit" - Confucius
You are confused Confucius
“Stop quoting my brother!”-Moon Tzu(the literature of peace)
"What the heck, why would I say that?" - Plato
“I swear I am not that evil” Machianvalie.
“Is it dinnertime yet?” Aristotle, at some point in his life
The goddess of Being Fair, who will return to take the world back to how it was before there were pesky emperors around to exile people. I wonder why Ovid liked her
Yeah, those dots are real easy to connect. XD
The idea that the Golden Age was a time before social classes definitely predates Ovid (it's what Saturnalia was all about), but I can absolutely see why that in particular resonated with him.
@@sammyfrogg yes. She is a handy goddess for those who think the world sucks and should be better. She also has wrapped up with her that handy promise that the world will be better again when she comes back. Ovid had lived through the Roman civil wars of the late republic and early imperial age. Aratus had probably experienced the wars of Alexander the Pretty Alright and the wars of the Diadochi squabbling over the remnants of Alexander’s conquests.
Ovid brought it on himself
6:41
"The world had once existed in this beautiful, primeval, pastoralist state where the land provided everything humanity needed without requiring any work."
*"AND THEN ALONG CAME ZEUS!"*
This deserves more likes 😂😂😂
@@YouveBeenMegged Thanks.
"HE HURLED HIS THUNDERBOLT!"
I know that movie gets more wrong than right, but I freaking love it!
@@astreaward6651 Much can be lost in the Disnification process, but I agree it was a pretty good film otherwise.
“AND THATS THE GOSPEL TRUTH!”
things I did not expect it to happen on this video:
1) Being reminded of Hade's alleged daughter
2) Red being pissed enough to swear
3) The rainbow crow
4) The Prophecy making a comeback
5) Red being pissed enough to swear _and_ leave it uncensored
Wait she censors her swears?
I never actually noticed that she did ! I guess that beeping wasn't a automated Auditory hallucinations .
"You know - *The Prophecy!* [Guitar Rift!]" - I ♥a good callback.
Now all that remains is “TRULY A VICTORY FOR THE FORCES OF JUSTICE!!!” to make a comeback. That bit was hilarious 😂.
What video is it from?
@@flames-jw9ykthe Aeneid
I spit my coffee, I'm at a coffee shop and I barely could hold my laughter
But where are the ninjas tho??
Ways to incur Red’s divine wrath:
1) Make up fake myth
2)Make up fake myth with tie-in constellation
3) Steal and burn the Library of Alexandria (Blue learned this the hard way😅)
❤💙
Fakelore god of fire that left earth after accidentally burning down the Library of Alexandria and became Polaris
Cleo didn’t do it on purpose. What was he supposed to do as a cat, not knock over something on a table?
4) Write down the myths of cultures that previously didn't have writing but you know… put your own special spin on it based on your religion, or just for giggles. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
also 4) Invent real myth thousands of years ago that suspiciously matches up to literary tropes that wont become popular for thousands of years so that you have to be extremely skeptical about whether this actually real myth is real or not.
@@Gamespud94… this is giving time traveler really just wanted to fuck with Red vibes
Saturn: "Oh you could have an entire epoch of peace, prosperity, fairness, and a lack of seafaring that is unironically called the 'Golden Age', but you eat one or eleven kids, and suddenly you're 'Saturn the Tyrannical Child Devourer'."
Y'know he's somewhat characterized like that in Hades 2
Tyrannical? No, doesn't sound like it. But the child devourer part is bad enough without it.
It's just the five kids, actually
It's kinda fair. Nobody calls him "The child Murderer Emperor of Mankind." Double standards
Even the gods aren’t immune to politics, amirite?
So, from a mythographical standpoint, the story of Astraea is just Aratus and Ovid's version of "We live in a society, reject humanity, return to monkey"?
Cool, glad to see literally nothing has changed.
If you put it like that...
Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were lots of people in previous empires that thought that - and I wouldn't be surprised if even ancient Hominids thought of something like that too, even if they are the closest people could get to "retuning to monkey".
you want even harder evidence that time is a flat circle and nothing ever changes?
look up the graffiti found in spartan barracks. it all says exactly what you think it will, having been in a locker room.
Hey, so fun fact. This is the typical psychological response to rapid growth of technology. "Cottage core" gets popular whenever city populations boom, basically.
Astraea sounds like something Japan would make up themed around Greek mythology and Messiah tropes to sell a line of Magical Girl merchandise.
But would you not watch that anime?
sooooo Maiden Astraea from Demons Souls if she was a magical girl instead of a demon lord saint?
So… Athena from Saint Seiya?
*Astraea looks at people building boats*
Astraea: Oh no. Looks like the world ...
*Astraea puts on sunglasses*
Astraea: ... has really gone to ships.
*Prophecy metal sting starts playing, explosions*
* slow clap of awed respect *
*_YAAAA_* 🦅
Maybe it's a mistranslation and she was just really mad about fandom shipping ruining her OTPs.
@@CassianStoneWell she's a godess of innocence, and I've seen what you monsters post on Ao3.
"And if I get duped by one - which has happened - I end up perpetuating misinformation!"
*Rainbow crow video flashbacks*
The Raincrow is Fake!?
@@fabulousslob3748 Yeah
I was thinking that too!
@@fabulousslob3748 Yeah. Really neat story, but not "old" in any way, shape or form.
She owned up to it though, which is the best thing a creator with her influence can do. Mad respect for that alone.
“Are there no depths to which we won’t sink?!” I think someone needs to explain the concept of a boat to Red, she’s gotten a little to comfortable on land.
That's rather ironic considering where her webcomic is currently at.
WEBCOMIC!? NAME, NEOW!!@@yetanother9127
if you never make boats then its impossible for them to sink.
checkmate, ocean-goers!
@yetanother9127 she has a webcomic?
@@yetanother9127 She has a webcomic?
6:03 The names are very thematic. Gold is pure and incorruptable, Silver is pure but tarnishes over time, Bronze tarnishes even faster, and Iron completely rusts into nothing.
Another reason is the "value" of the metals (duh) and the actual latin text specifically implies that the "iron" age is called that bc thats what you make weapons of war from, and thats what was done during that age. So, really really fits
@@juno6624 Tbh, they had transitioned from the Bronze Age to the Iron Age about a hundred years before Hesiod, so.
_Another_ reason is that each successive metal is harder. Gold is very soft while one of the reasons we switched from bronze to iron is because iron weapons would actually cut into bronze ones. So as the ages progress, the people in them become less innocent (preciousness of the metal) but more competent (hardness of the metal), with the people of the Golden Age being akin to innocent children unable to take care of themselves and those of the Iron Age being grim men forced through hardship and circumstance to build civilizations just to survive.
And now we're in the aircraft aluminum age? The stainless steel age? The various alloys age? The plastic age, maybe?
@@Halberddent The Information Age, actually.
"And Zeus is ... maker of heroes." So that's what he's calling it these days. I prefer the old phrase "kidnapping women and doing the bad stuff, often without asking first." And Hera blames the women Zeus victimizes.
Sometimes I think there are more people today who believe that Zeus existed than did back in Mycanean Greece, lol.
yeah.....
i've been interested for a while in a myth retelling exploring hera's wrath as misdirected because she can't take it out on zeus or misunderstood godly tests/help in a bigger goal a la heracles wanting to be the greatest hero and she manipulates so that he has to do more impressive things. obviously that would have to be a very modern take on hera, not even remotely the way the ancient greeks would have thought of or portrayed her, but i think it could be a very interesting story
@@mehmeh2255 Yeah, the Greek gods were a messed-up bunch, especially the Olympic Gods. There are a few decent ones, like Dionyses, Hades (who gets a real bum rap in modern media as a Satan stand in) and Hermes.
I don't think it was ever stated that Hera went after the many "loves" of Zeus because she couldn't go after Zeus for making their marriage a mockery. (And Marriage and Home are her wheelhouses.) But I can see that read. Then again, the ancient Greeks were not much on girl power and women's rights. But our own society has a problem of seeing the Other Woman as a hussy, cheat, and marriage breaker in the same way Hera does, again without taking into consideration if the other person even knew, let alone agreed to be in that kind of relationship.
It is more because there are so many Greek city states that want strong associations with the head god, that so many of them claim Lineage fron Zeus.
So in order to join the cool kids clubs, the city states makes myths about Zeus's courtship with their ancestors
@jackielinde7568 The main examples I can think of Hera being unable to go against Zeus is when she tricks him with the girdle so Zeus punishes her by hanging her by chains from anvils, and there is a story where Hephaestus' deformity is caused by Zeus throwing him off the mountain for defending Hera when he was angry at her. So there is evidence that Hera can't do anything against him; but just thematically it wouldn't make sense for her to do anything against him anyways, even without these stories
Astraea: Okay this Iron Age is a bit overwhelming but I think I can handle this-
Humanity: *invents boats*
Astraea: LO HUMANITY IS IRREDEEMABLE I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE-
What do you think she'll say when she sees a submersible
@@Gyrono”Destroy humanity immediately”
"Destroy that ABOMINATION immediately!" Maybe it's not Posiedon we should be sacrificing billionaires too.... maybe it's Astraea
So astrea was basically a Titan or a god?...
@@dimaignatiev6370 She's a goddess but not an olympian. The titans are pretty much just the children and grandchildren of Ouranos and Gaia, while the Olympians are only the descendants of Kronos and Rhea. Astraea is one of the daughters of Astraeus and Eos, the parents to the personifications of the four winds and the stars.
"That's what happens when your prophesies are vague; they get Jesused. Which I feel like a good oracle should have seen coming."
We can tell how proud Red is of this joke by the barely suppressed huff of laughter when she tells it. 😂
She should be proud, it's a great joke
Psychic show canceled due to unforseen circumstances
@@mirjanbouma"Stand proud. You're funny"
@@r3negadex
Oh that's good.
@@r3negadexDid you come up with that yourself?
I did not expect there to be a secret fourth Greek Maiden Goddess, but I happily welcome Astraea's addition to the club.
Do you think they wear matching purity rings?
@@luckluca8982 probably
I'm sure we can add another
I think the 3 was supposed to be for olympians. That or Greek mythology wasn't consistent enough for that. Probably both thinking about it.
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i really spent this whole video going "okayyyy this is sounding very Jeus-retconned with the whole divine entity of justice and purity left but will return later as a Super Special Baby" only to also go "ah, other way around"
There did seem to be quite a couple of stories of "divine saviors" floating around the 1st century BC, Mithradates VI of Pontus was connected to one if I remember correctly.
I was getting weird christian vibes from the wikipedia summary - I was *truly* not expecting this to turn into "this was the mythological space that the christians got those vibes from"
*Judaism having to deal with it's Christianity and Islam Syncretism being accused of pagan influence (He stole from Babylonian concepts)*
@@lettuceman9439 I will admit I'm rather uninformed on this sort of thing - could you please elaborate? =D
@@CyreneDuVent Generally speaking a lot of neo-pagans attribute a lot of their Traditions being stolen by Christianity and Islam but it's often the other way around, Norse, Slavic and Celtic myth is very much within the context of a christian framework given that a 1/3 of the source for them were within a already Christianized region of the world and have their own Christian concepts imbedded in their mythology, A lot of said myths have their own version "Jesus have come this place, Time to pack up" at the end of their story like Kalevala.
For example, The most pop history take of Easter being taken from the Goddess Easter but that is merely a anglo-centric view of Christianity, Given that Christianity is often forgotten as a successor religion to Second Temple Judaism, "Easter" is a Germanic word and Germania was not even close where the center of early Christianity at the time, Pascha is what Easter is called in the East and It is not based on a Goddess but a derivative of the Jewish Passover given that Christ was crucified during the Jewish Passover.
Also Fundamentally, Christianity and Islam is a universalist and Missionary faith, How each impact a culture have their own way of adapting into a local culture often have very different exchange and the transition will always be very Syncretic, Neo-Pagans disregard the fact that it isn't a one-sided relationship with every religion interacting but a exchange will always happen same with the Christians and Muslims themselves who is rooted in Judaism disregarding the Mesopotamian and Babylonian aspect of the Old Testament and some parts of the Quran
@@CyreneDuVent Basically Judaism borrowed from a lot of Babylonian concepts, which includes the flood, Eden being in some place in Mesopotamia, and even genealogies with ppl who are really really old. A lot of genesis is borrowed from common babylonian motifs except for the fact that there's only one major god.
Well, Judaism's patriarch is Chaldean, aka Babylonian. So the Jews came from the area where these thoughts were circulating around. Personally I think it is less borrowed and more both reciting their common accounts or stories, whichever you want to say.
Did you hear about the British Museum volunteer finding a missing piece of this ancient Babylon Map of the World. It's very exciting stuff! Check out Irving Finkel nerding out over it. It helped them decipher the thing and realize it mentions mount Ararat as the place where one can see the old frame of the ark from the flood, just like the Torah says that's where it came to rest!
The bit about The Prophecy including a return to a rule of Kronos is interesting. It's not just "things will be better for humans", it's "the gods will pay" too
I'll bet that went over *great* with the local Jupiter priesthood
I mean, it is Ovid
@@GloomdrakeI guess Ovid hates the gods so much he would risk a Titanomachy (the destructive war between the gods and titans), round 2 electric boogaloo, just to get rid of them.
Damn the more I learn about him, the more he sounds like one of those petty insane evil cult worshippers, hoping to bring the end of the world.
@@thenightqueen0 Sounds like Ovid would _really_ hate the Percy Jackson books :P
@@thenightqueen0 And now I want Ghostbusters But It's In Greece And They Have To Stop Kronos
My favorite false ancient Chinese proverb is "run down side of collapsing building, perfectly fine. Step on child's toy, fall and break your leg" from Jackie Chan adventures
"ONE MORE THING!"
To be fair, Jackie Chan is now an ancient Chinese man.
It does ring true though. I'm sure we can all think of times we were doing something dumb and reckless and, say, fell off a roof without issue, but then did end up walking with a limp for two weeks after something completely dull, safe, and practical like crouching down to get something out of the bottom kitchen drawer went freakishly wrong in the worst conceivable way.
I mean, personal experience alone says that jumping from a moving car to impress my friends has hurt me far, far less than simply walking down my front steps.
Legos do be causing injuries
As someone who broke their arm as a kid watching a slinky go down some stairs, I feel this deeply.
Gotta love the way that "stuff was better back then let's make up a fiction about it to pretend its true" attitude of people was still present over 2000 years ago. People never change.
people been people'n for quite some time. I like to think our buddies erectus were alot more like us than chimps, and although they couldn't speak like us, im sure they communicated and we had to get our gregoriousness and need from socialization from some side of the family tree. 2 million years of people or people-adjacent.
Man...back in the good old days people never would have said something like that.
@@timothymclean * weird proto-hominin grunt of agreement *
but no trust me annoying orange was way better than skibidi toilet i promise its different this time /sarcasm
No matter the era, the youths inevitably yearn for COTTAGE CORE
2:55 Zeus, maker of heroes? Yeah, with his-(tackled and dragged away from the mic)
“They get Jesused” has got to be my absolute favorite line in any script that you’ve written.
Jesus and Odin. All roads lead to one or the other. That conveniently explains a good chunk of Gaiman’s body of work too.
"I haven't used that 'The Prophecy' sting joke in eight real years!" ... Why don't you just burry me already? You've already killed me in my old age with that one.
Half my hair turned white and my back gave out when I heard that. XD
I just realized in real time… “oh gods, I’ve been watching this channel for 8 years”
…time, oh time, where did you go?
"This is disgusting, I wish we could go back to eating berries in the woods."
Big mood.
Honestly eating berries in the woods was a mistake in the first place. We never should have crawled out of the oceans.
It's just Ancient Greek "Return to Monke"
"I would've never left the primordial sea if I knew there gonna be days like this"
Raspberries are delicious. I approve
Go back to monke , and eat berries of funke.
"I love learning new things; I'm not so good at continuing to learn old things"
She just like me fr
Well, it's kind of a Barnum statement.
One of those sentences everybody can identify with. I mean, nobody would say of themselves that they don't like learning new things. That would kinda imply you prefer to stay obvious to the world out there and any new experience, right?
Similarly, who of us does not have some hobby or interested we picked up at some point but never came around to "finish"?
It's also possible that a lot of us have undiagnosed ADHD. TH-cam is great/terrible at roping us in.
That moment you develop a Special Interest for, like, three months, only for it to move on to a new topic. So you just have this wide swath of entry level knowledge on tons of subjects, without ever acquiring true mastery.
Couldn't be me. /s
I don't even love learning new things anymore because I have too many old things that I have to learn more about Dx (Got diagnosed with ADHD this year lol)
@@timothymclean Yeah, try getting a diagnosis if you have the means to do so or try to read or watch more about it
Red when she sees a myth that makes a little too much sense: "Something's wrong, I can feel it"
“Don’t go into the ocean, everyone! That’s where the SIN lives!”
We need Blue’s response to this. Does he feel seen?
“And SAILING! Are there no depths to which we won’t sink?!”
I mean… that’s why you have the boats. To not sink 😉
Tell that to Captain Edward Smith
Stop please 😂 my sides!!
Tbf, without the boat, we couldn't get anywhere near the greatest depths, so....
I was gonna make this joke
Too bad icebergs exist
I'll be honest, Astraea being mad at the existence of boats adds so much legitimacy this story. The Greeks always made it personal
I must admit, conceptually a virgin goddess of justice and purity does feel like something that might be introduced to a mythology post-Christianisation. As with the theory that Loki, in Norse Mythology, was invented by Christians to be a Satan figure, you could imagine Astreas being invented to parallel the Virgin Mary in Greek myth. That this is not the case is quite refreshing
Loki gives the Gods their super power weapons and rebuilds Asguards wall with trickery. He only became evil at the end
@@covenawhite4855Honestly, Loki is less evil and more problematic. In D&D terms, I’d call him proper Chaotic Neutral. He’ll ruin your week for a laugh and help you on a quest after if he thinks it’ll be fun (or you threaten him enough).
@@pretzelbomb6105 Loki was just in it for the vibes.
Loki is not a Satan figure, not definitively at least and as far as I know he wasn't *invented* by Christians; people just really like connecting him to Satan, because he's the mother of monsters, kind of like with Hades and the Underworld.
@@LuperisNone I am aware that the Loki as Satan theory is hotly debated, I simply reference as an example of how later Christian writers can introduce elements into myth. Perhaps a better point of reference would be turning the old gods of Ireland into human survivors of Noah's Flood, in Irish myth, but I didn't think of it at the time
"Are there no depths to which we won't sink" while talking about how awful boats are, is an incredibly clever line
I’m glad to learn about Astraea becoming Virgo as it’s my star sign. And well I don’t believe in using star signs to dictate your life, I’ve always thought i had the most boring one. But learning that she’s the goddess of Justice, Innocence, & Purity instead of just unmarried woman, makes me happy.
Sailing = evil is not what I expected to learn today. I added it to my "sins committed" list.
I get the idea. They want for nothing, so they don't feel the need to do extremely dangerous things like sailing was to go looking for more.
I am sinning
I am sinning
home again
cross the sin
Funnily enough, that may well have been a weird tidbit that inspired Tolkien. One of the first great sins of the Noldor (elves exiled from heaven for thinking heaven was boring) was - well, massacring the ship-building elves to get their fishing boats and use them to sail to distant shores. Weird to think how much of fantasy is really just...well, religion fanfic
I wonder if that part was inspired at all by the so-called "Sea People Invasion" during the late bronze age collapse.
AFAIK sailing was considered unnatural, humans were made to live on land
"I can forgive war and injustice, but I draw the line at sea-faring"
"You can forgive war and suffering?"
I love that the "golden age" concept is addressed in the Hades 2 video game: they continuously talk about how so many mortals believe in Chronos' golden age, and a lot of the dialogue from gods and other characters seem to strongly imply that this isn't just a lie Chronos is spreading, but an actual time the mortals had it better, making them more willing to go against the gods.
**slaps table** So I'm NOT the only one who's going "Wait a minute wait a minute, this all sounds REALLY similar to what they're setting up in Hades 2!!" XD
I just didn't remember "Golden Age" until you did, and then I remembered all the gold showing up in Tartarus! Good call! :P
Aaaggghhh I cannot wait for that game to come out of early access.
I'm sure it's well worth the money now, but the story was the best part of the first game and I don't want any of it spoiled before it's at its best (also the pacing of the first game broke if you were too good so I need to be out-of-practice to experience it properly).
Weird how in varying sources the Child Eating/Killing God is seen as the Good One. I wonder if him sacrificing his children is some ritual for "the greater good" and we're just missing context.
Zeus also according to some sources made him the king of the blessed isles which i think its in elysium aka greek heaven...so he probably knows what hes doing.
@@nono9543It was for power, but tbf if Gaia and Ouranus didn't tell him Kronos,probably wouldnt had eaten his children.
"I haven't used 'The Prophecy...!' in eight actual years!"
**instantly ages into fine dust**
"Money is just war with extra steps" is not a take I ever expected to agree with, but.......
THAT GUITAR RIFF BROUGHT BACK SO MANY MEMORIES
Hell yeah!!! THE PROPHECY!!!
PROPHECY ELECTRIC GUITAR RUNNING GAG LET'S GOOO
I've missed it so much!! 😭
As was foretold!
As it was writen!
At 7:50 I can only imagine this is Arthur and Morgan Le Fay commenting on Brexit
Could be literally anything voted for in this island since like _Attlee,_ to be honest
@@JimBob4233 I mean, Attlee was cool from what I've heard. Established the NHS and all that.
@@samrevlej9331 He also cut funding for NHS opticians and dentists to make room for the Korean War and resurrecting Tube Alloys
@@JimBob4233 Your knowledge of postwar British political history outweighs mine, it appears, so I’ll have to take you at your word.
7:36 Return of the prophecy sting! YEEHAW!
This "going back to the golden age" thing reminded me of the plot of Hades 2
Yep. Cronos returning sounds familiar
I was literally thinking that Astraea sounded an awful lot like the Virgin Mary and then there ends up being a prophecy that inadvertently alludes to the birth of Jesus Christ. Hilarious
The prophecy is not about Jesus of course.
@@sonofcronos7831Says you. How do you know, huh? Can you see the future? Who are you to arbitrate valid and invalid prophecies?
read anything written by Hesiod, the way he describes Zeus is very similar to the way the Christian God is described - at least in the translation I read.
@@alphasword5541The Christian God has never sexually assaulted anyone. Zeus, on the other hand…
@@bradleypoole3322 Well, technically there was that one time. Virgin Mary and all that.
@6:58 “And SAILING! Are there no depths to which we won’t sink?”
In fairness, I think the general principle of sailing is to avoid sinking to any depths.
me, a submariner: *looks askance*
And or spark some very bad conquests and occupations.
One of my history professors pointed out that the idea that things roughly improve over the course of history is actually a relatively recent idea - like, from the renaissance. In ancient greece and even throughout medieval times, there was this generally accepted idea that all the great works had already been done, and history was kind of over.
I mean, I don't blame them back then. They'd look at the ruins and stories of the past and think "wow, that looks/sounds so much better than now".
I mean, that's a big sentiment today as well. Both the fashy "it used to be better" and the "there is now no more history, it is over".
Plus, if you consider the average life of the average person in, say, 1000 BCE, would that person's grandparent's lives have been particularly different? What about their grandkids? What about the life of their descendants in 500 CE?
For much of human history, change was slow and incremental, and what leaps and bounds did occur didn't really effect your life toiling away in the fields, tending to your herd, or crafting farm tools. Sometimes the metal improved, sometimes war happened, but in general, life did not change much for a very long time.
And then, all of a sudden, it got really different really fast, and from there it only changed more rapidly. Now we have maglev trains, smartphones, orbital satellites and Starbucks.
Imagine you're a commoner in the medieval ages, living in the (Holy) Roman Empire. You're supposed to follow the ten commandments, so that you may go to Heaven and you're literally waiting for the world to end, because the rupture could happen anytime.
@AegixDrakan it gets wild when Romans did it. Like all these Roman's sitting around in their city and being "man we need to go back to the good old days and follow the truths of the founders." Like...what.
The genuine suppressed laughter at the Sybil joke (9.37) had me in stitches.
Yeah, Saturn wearing a shirt that says 'Don't talk to me till I've devoured my kids' is the funniest part of the video, but I am very happy that there are at least some types of stories that seem fake but end up real. That always feels really nice to read.
8:07
Why is it that whenever the Oracle of Delphi appears she's always striking the most ominous authoritative pose while saying the funniest shit
The Pythia *_is_* a conduit through which the lord Apollon, the God of Enlightenment that he is who no doubt fancies himself as _The Artist™~_ par excellence (largely bcuz he _is_ lmao), communicates to man the will of Zeus, so it's on brand to have a flair for _✨theatrics✨._ 😋
"They get Jesus'd." That delivery was way funnier than it had any right to be
Hearing this name just sounds like saying Australia in a thick outback Australian accent.
EmperorTigerstar in the comment section pog , I remember you from that "why yakko's world is not a good geography song" video!
Great youtuber and keep on your work!
My first name is "Astrea." (my parents left off the other A, I don't know why.) I had some guy ask me once if my last name was New Zealand lol
3:27 D&D out here giving Finns whiplash with Mielikki and Loviatar.
As a huge Lord of the Rings fan, "it's fine" is a very accurate summary of the Silmarillion. If you like reading history textbooks for fun, give it a go
I loved it, but I also like reading history textbooks for fun, so to each their own I guess.
Somehow, I read it and several other of his background works, and yet never remembered a single detail until I hit fanfic of it. Really great at world-building, but a little less so at gripping and memorable narratives, was Mr. Tolkien.
I like it more then LOTR, it's probably my favorite book. I don't get the "history textbook" comment. I mean, the first two chapters (anulindalë and valaquenta) are pretty boring, but the quenta silmarillion itself is full of great and tragic stories. And the scale is just so large compated to LOTR. It's a bit like the greek mythologies, where everything was bigger and more epic in the past.
10:42 - A Drabble is precisely a 100 words, 600 words would be a short fic or a ficlet.
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
"And _sailing!_ Are there _no_ depths to which we won't sink?!"
Not if you keep rocking the boat like that. We just patched that leak.
7:40 Oh my God I predicted the Aeneid callback! I'm like, "She's about to say prophecy and play a guitar riff."
You prophesied it...
You're the oracle
The Prophecy Prophecy!
The use of the Peggle guitar riff SIDESWIPED my ass xD
For better or for worse I've learned about Astraea from FGO. Neat to know they kinda line up, being Fate is known to take liberties in their characters
And the liberties for this character literally pile driver the others and tipped the scales into it being even more bs
"The bronze age quickly followed by the iron age sees humanity discover the evils of war and money, which from Aratus's perspective is just war with extra steps."
Is.. is he wrong, though?
stop following me
7:36 "Musical sting" THE PROPHECY , glad that the Gods still do that up there in olympus
Winter - fine
War- all right, I can deal
Boats- nope, I'm out.
I mean, from a certain point of view, it makes sense. The boats were used to bring war to distant lands, lands that had never done anything bad to those people at all.
For a goddess of justice and innocence, colonialism of a far off place that has nothing to do with someone must be a REALLY special kind of evil.
As an avid watched for a few years now, god knows how many, I love that "the prophecy"™ still has a guitar riff! And a different one than all previous ones
Okay watched a bit more and 8 YEARS??? oh my god the time has passed
Two things that I find particularly interesting about this. One of them is that inventing boats is part of what causes the downfall, which is an interesting take in the context of a nation that used naval power so heavily. It's a mistake to draw to much of an analogy but it kind of reminds me of our relationship with the industrial revolution or atomic energy. It's also extremely interesting to me that it portrays the titans as ruling over an idyllic world, whereas when the gods that they actually worshipped came in, things got worse for humans. I don't know what that says about their relationship to their religion but it's interesting.
Poseidon being god of both earthquakes and ocean makes sense since when an earthquake hits, often follows a tsunami, thus linking the two domains quite neatly.
I like how that whole Golden/Silver age changeup basically means _Zeus_ perfectly fits the "Userper king under whose rule everything goes to shit" trope.
Granted, it _is_ Ovid so. You know. I wonder how closely that tracks with the older versions since I _really_ don't know much beyond the basics (and what Red has covered) of Ancient Greek myths.
The tricky thing is that Hesiod (who Ovid's works are heavily based on) was a "deteriorationist" and things getting worse over time is a common theme throughout his works. Both "Theogany" (a genealogy of the Greek gods) and "Works and Days" (which contains both the "Myth of Five Ages" and "Pandora's Box") contain this subtheme.
Additionally, Kronos and Zeus are colored gold and silver here
Zeus was the fair judge among the gods and the one keeping everything in balance. He was also a protector of travellers and the one who started the age of humanity.
Zeus is the one who devided the work and domains fairly among deities, so they all would rule fairly, and he always stop them from quarrelling before things get too serious.
Zeus wasn't a "bad ruler" by any means..he was literally the god of justice and kingship......
@@N.I.A23 Yeah that is part of what makes Greek Mythology so tricky. Most of the "common knowledge" about the Greek gods is based on what amounts to edgy fanfiction poems as the various cults didn't really record the primary myths.
Did you watch _Kaos?_ I'm not sure how much I "enjoyed" it or whether I would recommend it, but Jeff Goldblum's Zeus was the "shitty, petty, paranoid God-King" that I've always hoped would get represented in media.
Since Red mentioned the Silmarillion, that got me thinking: I'd love to see a video on Tolkien's works and all the mythological, historical, linguistic, etc. stuff he drew inspiration from.
And it would also people tried to figure out what they just read.
As a Classic Summarised or as a Miscellaneous Myths is the question.
(I mean, former obviously but the idea of treating Silmarillion like real mythology is nice to me.)
Sounds like another detail diatribe
In case Red sees this, I too would love this video.
@@gokbay3057 Tolkien was heavily inspired by the Finnish national epic the Kalevala, with the Silmarillion having many, many parallels with it (for instance, the story of Turin Turambar is nearly a beat for beat retelling of the story of Kullervo, which Tolkien had originally attempted to write a straight-up retelling of), so in a way you're not far off.
“I’ve read it now, bitches!” Me when I get to that book I put on my TBR list 12 years ago.
The golden age increasingly sounds like generational memory of a hunter/gatherer society
Blue:"Red,how many space stories are you going to talk about?"
Red:"Yes."
Astraea: *has some vague prophecy about returning to bring about the golden age*
Everyone there after: How about jesus?
Cant really call the last 2 k "the golden age" unless you are on a serious cope overdose though.
@shadowkhan422 I feel like everything went really great until jesus died and then it all went back to crap
@shadowkhan422
Spiritually it does apply, the Connection to God had been restored and all Mankind came be with him even the dead and pagans were saved during the 3 days before his rising.
I don't wanna get on millennialism because you are asking to get your house caught on fire for that but TLDR, Age of Grace is spiritually mankind's golden age (if your christian)
"We have finally found the entrance to the true kings tomb."
*Knocks on the door*
"Yes?"
"Hello, this is the IRS. It seems you have 3,000 years worth of unpaid taxes. We've come to claim the tomb."
"What do you mean, unpaid taxes? I'm the king! You pay taxes to me!"
@@tbotalpha8133 The king will come back at our greatest need to fight his nations greatest foe... bureaucrats...
IRS? What are they doing outside of the US? There aren't great fallen kingdoms in northern America.
Now I understand why I never liked being a virgo that much: that gal wants me away from the sea. Lady, I'm an underwater archaeologist. I do scuba diving to investigate sunken ships. Why do you want me to not do the coolest job in this world?
Anyway the pin is maybe the first virgo-related thing I've ever liked (apart of the Realta webcomic) so it was the fastest purchase of my live as a self-present for my birthday
I just have to say... that is the most badass job ever.
Scubarchaeology. Because the ocean doesn’t get to keep secrets.
I am genuinely jealous, your job sounds so cool
I hope you have a fantastic and potentially underwater birthday!
Take her diving with you. I'm sure she'll come around.
Astraea is like that one kid from 3rd grade who you thought would always make up stuff about his dad being super rich and cool or smth and then when you go to his house its somehow actually true.
"His Ass Is NOT Going Into The Wine-Dark Sea"
Kronos mentions the “golden age” in Hades 2 and I had no idea what that was till now…thank you Red
The term “Golden Age” was popularized by Hesiod and later refined by Ovid. I think it was Ovid who said the world by Saturn (Kronos’ Roman name) in the Golden Age.
@@andrewollmann304both Hesiod and Plato calls Kronos the ruler of the golden age. Is not a original roman concept
I’m starting to wonder if Supergiant Games read the source Red found for the actual prophecy of Astraea, and that’s where some of the inspiration for Hades 2 came from. Where is the plot gonna go, I wonder? (It should be noted that I got distracted from Hades 2 and haven’t played it since the start of Early Access)
@@joshuahunt3032 I mean, probably? Fun fact: read the end of the patch notes. There's usually a quote there. SGG is weirdly well-read for a game studio.
This whole episode was just Red going "sounds fake but ok".
Fortune be upon me!!! I open TH-cam for breakfast and see an OSP video that was posted 23 seconds ago!
Fortune be upon me! I wake up from a dream that OSP posted a myths video, and find an OSP myths video 19 minutes ago!
Oh, fortuna.... you and Tyche are at it again!
Such a virgo move to think they're the only thing holding things together and that they can just swoop in and save it with a cool baby later
The Space OSP videos always come at the points when my astronomy obsession is rattling in the corner and demanding waffle fries, and they’re always so much fun! /pos. Also sailing being THE LINE (among other lines) that Astraea wouldn’t cross is absolutely hilarious.
"I'm not an expert" says the mythology enthusiast to educate others on TH-cam
"I'm not an expert."
"That's exactly what an expert would say!"
Technically yes, because she doesn't have at least a degree in a related field. Red's degree is in math.
@@TomLuTon I'm pretty sure with how much Red has educated others if she could afford to get the degree she could probably speed complete it.
@@joak9992SHE IS THE MESSIAH
Real experts' go-to response to a question is "It's complicated."
Ovid’s whole gimmick of complaining about the gods being corrupt always comes off as suspiciously modern.
Astraea kinda reminds me of Rosalina since she's a purehearted, benevolent lady associated with the stars, and a watchful guardian and caretaker.
In all fairness to the sinful boat thing, I imagine to a collection of seafaring city states, boats are probably a slippery slope towards conquest and all the violence and selfishness that sort of thing entails, lol
It hits hard considering that most modern interpretations of Greek Mythology put the Titans and specially Cronos as overlords of evil that exists only to destroy. But every single mention in the Original Mythology puts the Titans of best rulers of the Cosmos, with Cronos as the Titan of Time and Harvest, two things essential to all humans, and besides eating his kids, comes off as a pretty good guy. But that get the Titans get usurped by Zeus and the Gods, that proceeds to make everything worse for everyone, everywhere.
Its comes off as the Return of Cronos as a Golden Age really easy to root for against the crimes of Zeus
The titan god of time is actually a separate figure with a very similar name. Chronos for time, Cronos/Kronos for the harvest.
Chronos doesn't really _do_ anything, though. He's more like a personification of a natural phenomenon.
@@daviddaugherty2816 It appears by syncretism made by romans (and Ovid) both entities are now merged together.
And don’t you mean natural instead of national)
lol that man was practically chilling and the best part is he left humans alone
@@GeorgiannaWilliams-sq6ux even funnier, a lot of Roman myths liked Cronos (Saturn for them) so much they added to their religion the story of how Zeus pardoned Cronos (for the crime of being usurped?), released from Tartarus and went to do their usual stick as the Titan of harvest.
And apparently Cronos was such a benevolent figure that he had the best celebration of the year, Saturnalia on December, the one celebration that later turned into Christmas.
Imagine being so well liked you inspire the goodness of Santa Claus
@@felipemontero1087 You are correct. Damn autocorrect.
the joy i felt when i heard "The Prophecy" bit was PALPABLE omg
7:51 the soft allusion to brexit not being bad enough for King Arthur to return makes me dread what was forseen to be worse
The only crisis that can't be surpassed is one which leaves everyone dead. And if that happens, there's no one to complain that King Arthur should have showed up by now.
He slept through WW2, too. Unless the island is at threat of vaporization, he's not leaving the man cave.
maybe arty boy would be bad for Britain actually. maybe him returning would be worse than brexit.
It would also imply England's darkest hour yet to come will be worse than the invasions of the 11th century, the Black Death, the English Civil War, World War I, the Great Depression, & the Blitz.
Imagine Arthur emerging from his tomb, blinking back sleep and asking what people need his help with, and they say something like, "We've spent the last few hundred years destroying the planet, and now rising seas and climate change is threatening to wipe this entire island off the map."
". . .
"WELL WHAT DID YOU WANT _ME_ TO DO ABOUT THAT?!?"
"And - sailing!
Are there no depths to which we won't sink?"
:D i see what you did there
Congrats on reading Silmarilion, I really like it! The writing might not be the most breathtaking but the concepts and vibe of mythology are right up my alley
The image of Astraea literally Lion King-ing the Prophecy kid is absolutely hilarious, and I love it, along with the 'Sailing! Are there no depths to which we will not sink?!' and 'Jesus-ed' puns. It'd be great to see a video on the various 'ages' that pop up a lot in mythology. Not just Greek, but also in North, Central, and South American myths, and in the Vedas, too, I think? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
0:44 LMAAAOOO starting off this video in the BEST way
As someone who's really into Slavic mythology, I absolutely understand Red's hatred for fakelore
As someone who isn't as familiar with slavic folklore, could you give me examples?
@@luckluca8982 Slavic mythology studies have really suffered from pseudoarcheologists, fakelorists and literal Nazis spreading outright lies. "The Book of Veles" and "Slavic-Aryan Vedas" are the most notorious examples, but basically 90% of what you would get in the Internet about Slavic deities is either a shaky hypothesis or a lie
For example?
As a Celtic folklore enthusiast, I agree. In the latest God of War games, I went a little hard on any and all wulver even by Kratos standards.
@@luckluca8982 the "tradition" of making things up about Slavic folklore dates back to 18th century, but it came to prominence during 1990s, when after USSR collapsed, many people began searching for spiritual meaning
Two of the biggest hoaxes include the Book of Veles and Slavic-Aryan Vedas. Both of them were alleged to be pre-Christian Slavic texts, despite very obvious linguistic and historical mistakes. The Book of Veles is a load of gibberish that tries to look like an authentic historical chronicle, while Slavic-Aryan Vedas are the standard ultranationalist nonsense about reptilian jews and aliens. But those books and many others like them has seeped into the broader internet "myth fans" narrative. I often see anglophone people retelling very obviouly fakelore stuff like "Volos was a reflection of Perun", and most of the time I have no idea where they got it from
One of the funniest examples is Chislobog, whose name translates to "the god of numbers". He first appeared among Prillwitz idols (a group of allegedly ancient Bulgarian figurines), but then was adopted by two aforementioned books and neopagans. Ingliists (one of the craziest neopagans) believe he flies on something called the "roundflier" (yeah, literally UFO)
“I never said all that shit”- Confucius 😂
8:55 I hear that Star Sky in the background! You think you're slick, sneaking that in there? Well you are!
Astraea’s last straw being seafaring is so funny but actually makes sense at the same time since she represents purity and innocence *cough cough* Poseidon *cough cough*
Please please please put 8:45 on a mug!! 😂😂😂 thanks for another amazing vid Red
We use your myth retellings in my school's Mythology Club, so thank you so much! (Credited of course)
4:35 ...So, silmarillion video when?
I mean, there’s so much drama to mine there. Maybe an Antagonistic Sibling Relationship Trope Talk or something
6:18 this drawing is actually so beautiful. It means so much to me I can’t even explain way
...huh. Y'know. That has some FASCINATING implications for where the plot of Hades II might be going.