One thing that I have always thought about is why no one, simply no one educates teenagers on how to love and be loved. I don't just mean sex education which is also equally important but just to know what healthy relationships look like , how they feel and mean. We cover every academic topic out there but why are relationships never considered worth discussing. It's one of most significant aspects of one's existence and totally left on kids to navigate through this on their own.
Firstly , as a parent myself, one thing that needs to stop is putting parents on a pedestal of perfection. They may be perfect parents leading imperfect and unhappy relationships and lives. Strive to improve instead of blindly repeating patterns from your previous generation.
ranbir kapoor 's character prem from ajab prem i feel was such a progressive lover and someone who truly loved katrina's character b coz he was not in the pursuit of chasing her ..he genuinely wanted to help her overcome her personal struggles and challenges in life ...
Being a Tamilian all my childhood I grew up with movies like padikathavan and Sachin and at that time I was made to believe that there wasn't any issues in the movie and was entertainment but now seeing those I myself feel what bizzare things have I enjoyed in my childhood??? And arguing with someone about these movies will land me in trouble here as the ask me to "enjoy" and not question. Jammy about your views on Madhavan's movies is actually right because whether it's Maddy or Vijay or Dhanush wrong done is wrong done.
Yes. Movies were and are still sexist mostly. And the audience that is groomed by these movies has grown to think that women should be draped in a saree to be treated as one. For them, the actresses who do bikini or beach photoshoots are basically without a movie in their kitty and need glamour to get chances. Such instagram posts have comments with helluva name calling. Grow up, it's 2021. Dumbos
Yes. So true, but I can't say this in open, as their super fans doesn't see them as actors/actress, it's an another level.. They are so obsessed with the actors that they doesn't get how a film influence the people knowingly or unknowingly.. and it definitely makes an impact like stalking, moral policing is normal or even heroism.. but it's toxic
I think that's why everyone loved jab we met so much when it came out...even in bollywood in early 2000s stalking=courting was the common theme or if it isn't stalking than the relationship had many misogynistic aspects (like guy casually slapping the girl,commenting on her clothes, lifestyle etc.) Seeing a guy like Aditya was a novelty.. I still remember the best non comedic scene of the movie They're in the train and geet asks" mai tumhe bhot achi lagti hu na?". He replies" bohot,par wo mera problem hai"...no threatening of suicide like ranjhana or zabardasti shadi or anything
I don't remember whole of the movie, but I remember and love that he was happy in her being happy, even if that meant losing her. Also he didn't go to Shimla to shoot his shot, he just wanted her to get back to her home safely.
True till today its still a big problem , all the acid attacks, rapes , harassment, stalking even after marriage etc etc are still happening in India because its not pointed out strongly and mainly entertained through movies and shows wow disgusting 😑 😒 😐 can't say more just fed up of not changing.
Have been stalked, harassed, constantly stared at and groped by a 'friend' from college when I was really young and instead of warning him off, all my other friends asked me why I didn't like him back and tease him with my name as though anything in that entire equation was mutual. I had clearly told him I don't think about him as anything other than a friend. Had asked him if I had given any indication that I was interested and he replied in the negative. And YET that didn't deter him from acting the exact same way. Still, somehow, I was the 'heartless' person for rejecting him. The pressure was so much that all I could do was let it all slide as a joke and had started believing that maybe I was the one who was overreacting when in fact I had to bunk a couple of classes just to avoid being touched by him. All of us are doctors, by the way... so, yeah. education doesn't change anything and this entire "harass and stalk her and she'll fall in love with you" trope really needs to go. Movies and shows need to stop glorifying such disgusting acts.
The teasing shit needs to stop. "Friends" are supposed to have your back. It's never okay to dismiss someone feeling uncomfortable whatever the reason maybe.
Personally, I have observed that Stalking was glorified and was not seen problematic in the Tamil Cinema Industry until 2014-2015. There were several movies which came upon that theme and moral policing in movies was prevalent during that time. However, due to the rise of new age directors in the last decade with their increased sensibilities stopped glorifying such madness and the audience too evolved. Earlier Movies which were glorified were seen from a new aspect and new movies which still stuck to the same concept was trashed and bashed, examples being movies like 'Remo' and 'Mr. Local'. Tamil Cinema Industry is now moving away from glorifying such concepts for good.
@UC83MJ9En056Msm1La6DPweg 7G Rainbow Colony too loomed over the same concept, however Director Selvaraghavan never glorified the concept of Stalking. In fact, the protagonist will be shamed for such actions. He will be viewed as a good for nothing person who will never amount to something. It is only when he turns into a new leaf after going through humiliations, he gets the attention of the girl. so the concept of Stalking and harrasment was actually trashed in the movie subtly, it was never shown in a heroic light.
The worse part about Mr.Local is that the Remo created the controversial stir on the topic of stalking that SK went on to state that he won't commit to such movies again but going to star in Mr.Local. Hypocrite much?!
@@abe6816 I guess that Mr. Local was already shot by the time that controversy took place and hence, the script couldn't be reshot or something. It is refreshing to see him move away from such concepts in his recent movies such as Namma Veetu Pillai, Hero. The upcoming Doctor Trailer too looks really good and seems to break away from his usual mantra of movies. So let's hope that he doesn't do such films anymore.
But unfortunately, body shaming and racism is still prevalent. Santhanam jokes mostly tend to body shaming. In Bigil(2019), Vijay fat shames and bullies a character in front of others in the pretext of 'motivation'! 😢
Just because something was 'acceptable' once, doesn't mean that we can't criticize it. Sati system, child marriage, etc were all acceptable in a certain time period, what makes some people think that we should embrace the fact that they were 'acceptable' or representing an era? They were still glorified. Certain crimes and immoral things were glorified. It'd the same as accepting the crimes done by people in past as normal. Something considered bad today, has been a bad thing since forever and we should not put our word weapons down just because they weren't considered bad in a "certain period of time".
Isnt this like 90% of south movies. Like there are great movies that came out of south indian cinema but most if them are bizarre and uncomfortable @gayathrivenkatramanan7424
I swearrrrrrrrrrrrr. I still don't understand how the scene of his character meeting Pooja Hegde's character in Beast aroused zero negative reactions in the theatre, atleast where and when I saw it. Infact there were a couple of people that cheered! I still don't understand how!
At that time there were several movies being made with the same kind of concept towards women a trend that people wanted and accepted during that time. Unacceptable but no backlash during that time
Actually the scene is not Vijay electrocuting Nayan for a kiss but rather opposite Nayan tries to electrocute Vijay to back at him gets electrocuted nd Vijay mistakes it as a signal which was intentionally designed that way gets kisses while gets electrocuted as well its actually funny scene where Vadivelu tries to separate also gets electrocuted nd kisses Vijay it was mindless comic scene i.e tom nd jerry
I truly truly believe stalking girls and harassing woman culture in India is a product of movies. I am from a rural background, stalking and harassing girls was considered "cool" thanks to our role model heroes. Guys like me who were hesitating to do that were considered as beta male.
I was also under so much pressure to go after girls in my teens, as my friends would say 'be a man', 'girls like this man!', n the cliche 'na me han hai(their no means yes)' etc., Brovo bro, your comment made me so happy. Now I'm a happy bisexual enjoying both the tastes of dating life. BTW for those 'heroes' most girls are quite okay if you approach them respectfully and ask them out. If you get rejected then get over it big deal!, if she rejected you because of personality fault, analyze if needs being fixed and if it's superficial reasons then maybe she's not a good or right girl for you.
The scene in Love Aaj Kal when Sara Ali Khan unbuttoned her shirt before going to interview and after that her justification for that so called libral act was way cringy and speechless!
Constant debates and conversations about sexism in Bollywood movies over the years has reduced such sexist portrayals and moral policing to a great extent in movies from recent years. Its not 100% eradicated, but its safe to say that at least 98% of recent popular films and web series shows are free of it. Such rigorous debates and conversations about content matter should happen within the South film industries as well. That's the only way change will happen, sliding it under the rug in the name of entertainment is not the solution.
IMO Sexism is not reduced, it just took different forms.. since glamorous female leads took place of bichari/abla female leads... many BW films still cast female actress just to stand beside hero without having any contribution to story
@@tingtingball That's true, it will take a long way to achieve 100% equality for both actresses and actors. But you can also notice how in this recent decade itself there has been a noticeable drop in movies that glorify stalking, moral policing, rape victim marrying the rapist and other bullshit that was so popularly shown in films as recent as early 2000s. Meanwhile there has also been a subsequent surge in meaty and meaningful roles for actresses, wherein they can hold their own in the film alongside the male lead, and the popular women-centric films where women carry the film without any need of a male lead. There has also been a noticeable rise in good number of movie/web series roles for actresses of the yester-years who don't get the 'young lead girl' roles anymore and have passed their peak. So as you can see the good changes outweigh the bad ones when it comes to women's representation and more successful women directors in recent years in Bollywood. I agree there have been bad changes as well when it comes to sexualisation or when the actress's role is just of an eye candy for the male lead throughout the film, but even in this case such things are openly pointed out by critics and audience and duly criticised for it. There are still meaningful debates going on, so hopefully these bad changes will also get outweighed by good ones in the near future. We need more women directors and screenplay writers who will solve this mess by telling women's stories through their own eyes and not through a man's eyes.
@@strawmanfallacy8666 yes... i am not denying the change. Its happening and its good. But with good come some bad 😐.. let's not loose hope though! Also the commercial movies add such things bcoz ppl watch and appreciate it. When ppl will stop going to such movies it will die down.. 🤞
Absolutely agree with Vijay's films. I can't believe that I grew up watching his film Sachein as a cool romantic comedy. Same goes for Sivakasi (the public shaming of Asin), Minsara Kanna (where he lectures Khushboo that a woman can never be independent like a man. Khushboo has an eccentric characterization which is anyways a separate topic for discussion). @Jammy, u need to watch 7G Rainbow Colony - the agony faced by the heroine Sonia Agarwal, has not been depicted better in any other mainstream commercial Tamizh film, due to the unabated stalking by the hero. It can be an ideal topic for ur next Mathlab kuch bhi episode. Regarding Madhavan in Alaipayudhey, Karthik in Mouna Ragam - both being the most celebrated films of Mani Ratnam, yes, stalking was present. Though in Alaipayudhey, it can be argued that the script is such that Shalini responds to Madhavan's advances passively (she visits his house for the baby shower, smiles at him etc., but this in no way justifies the stalking), it was continuous pursuing and stalking in Mouna Ragam by Karthik despite repeated strong rejections from Revathy (unlike the case in Alaipayudhey). However, the bottomline is, to the general audience, stalking becomes a problem only when a ruffian like hero does it. It does not unfortunately appear to be a problem to the general audience when the hero who is doing this has a good personality. And in Mouna Ragam, Karthik is shown as a dashing handsome young man .
I don’t think however 7G glorified stalking. Most people were disgusted by the methods Kathir used to confess his love for Anitha and he himself alludes to the fact that he isn’t classy enough to give her a card with a rose and this is the love he knows.
I know of women who wear hijab, abaya and sometimes even in niqaab they still get harassed by these chichore types. The attitude that women are at fault for being harassed is not only bogus, it is misogyny and victim blaming.
Literally every woman giving their opinion would say that they hate being followed or continuously stared at, and regardless of all these complaints, people still think that these ways will steal our hearts ...i've had some guys (one of them esp) relentlessly staring at me no matter how many times I showed that I'm not interested and even angry glares (questioning only makes people tell me that I shouldn't take it seriously 😑)..and they still shamelessly continue to do so...it honestly only creeped me out rather than make me feel attracted to them
I have had similar experience. there was this moment when i was looking attractive (maybe??) and 2 supposedly cultured south Indian juveniles crossed the area and they stared at me amusingly and incessantly. I, being the impulsive self that i am expressed my discomfort with bad mouthing... And there response to it was... whats wrong with her..? they chuckled and left the place. According to them, i protesting their gaze was stupid, they were just admiring. Shouldnt admiration be more appealing than gawking, objectifying and making people feel uncomfortable?? I happened to watch few dubbed south indian movies recently and now i know why they thought the way they did.
@@utsgotnoguts ikr. I get the sarcasm but its not funny at all for me...its the reality for many women out there..and its heartbreaking that we glorify harrassing so much in our movies. 😓
Ahh yes it's that time of the month to be offended along with Jammy again!!!arrrgh I'm kind glad that this series is continuing although Jammy has to go through endless headaches for it💖
Something from real life that I am prompted to talk about is the whole aspect of normalising stalking. I remember that when I was in my late teens, I initiated something by glancing over at this guy who was 20 from across the room. Ever since, he'd always stare at me from a distance and he literally constructed this whole 'affair' thing just based on staring at me from a distance. It was as if only the two of us knew about it, like he wanted to keep this some secret 'understanding' between us. I'm not just saying that this guy was checking me out, he was practically living and dwelling in a story where he'd watch me from a distance. Initially locking eyes with him felt so powerful, it was like this connection I never felt before, but since he never spoke even when I tried approaching him and didn't want to do anything about it, I eventually lost interest in him. However, he still didn't stop. Although I only saw him occasionally, it went on for almost 5 years! He always stands at a distance to watch me, and at parties, he'd stand afar, hide or crouch behind the door and stare at me. I ignored all this too, until one day when he was again standing at a distance and staring at me when I started getting really annoyed. It went for a couple of minutes straight, and being under his surveillance felt like I had no escape. I wanted to be left alone, I wanted to escape his gaze, so I hid behind something for a minute or so hoping that he'd stop. However, even when I stepped out, he was still standing there, at a distance waiting for me to step out so he could still keep staring. Something about this feeling just made me nauseous, I felt sick and when I got into my car I couldn't stop crying. I didn't care to reason anymore, I didn't care if he's doing thing because he thought I was still in love with him but I gave this guy enough chances, 5 years of chances, before I finally realised that this made me feel trapped. I just wanted to escape from it. People have told me "yeah but you initially loved him, so it's ok right?" No, staring for a couple of seconds to convey interest is fine, but if the other person lost interest in you and you still keep watching them from afar continuously, it is an unhealthy fixation and an obsession which is a form of stalking.
Yes I understood your concern as it is really happens in our society I too experienced that , I have only one thing to say sorry dear lets stay strong and move on . Next time try to speak up and solve with confidence . Being confident and facing is better than escaping because once I as a early teenager I used to just glance when I cross by at one uncle in park of my colony he used to do yoga exercises something just after 3 or 4 times and I regret like anything as he saw me .at first he tried and talked about like good person about studies fitness but I can't find his true intentions till he asked me to talk to his wife and daughter while I was passing by his house which is near my besties house I luckily escaped with just bad touch back hug . But after that he continues stare after that incident. I am very happy for escaping and shifting house as my parents are working. Imagine this horrible childhood never repeat a mistake like this even bastards like old people will haunt .after growing up now I want to fight against such situations for anyone.
Even I have faced when I was 14 and when I was 19 , I can tell how mentally exhausting it is , there is this unspoken fear embedded inside you ..at some point I imagine of killing them and ripping them because I was so stress and angry ..it's always remain in your mind , you cannot deviate your mind ..you feel ashamed and if you tell people they will laugh at you like this is something a joke and harmless gesture .one of my friend said oh dekho woh tumko dekh raha hai as if I should be proud of this since I becoming more desirable ...I can understand you very well
@@stacy3035 Omg that sounds terrible, I'm glad you're safe. My situation isn't dangerous or anything, it was a guy I used to like, but because he continued doing this even after I stopped, it made me uncomfortable. Infact, I'm sure that even if I was still interested in him the aspect of standing afar and watching someone is obsessive and unhealthy regardless.
Indian telivision is so depressing ...people should raise there voice against such serials where 2 marriages are shown or child marriage is shown such that ladki badi hokar pyar krne lgti what rubbish You are doing such a great work *tnrp* 💪👏more power to you
Well down here in south tv serials caused hell lot of clashes between mother and daughter in laws, wife and husbands. Max indian serials are based on kidnaps,tactics,rivaraly between in laws. This has to END they have done enough damage in middle class houses 🙄🙄. Govt/censor board has to take actions against such concepts.
The south indian film industry has had a very interesting development from the 2010's. I remember watching those movies as a kid and even then being appalled by some of the scenes. But over the past 5 to 7 years, the south indian industry, malayalam, tamil and telugu (my favorite being naveen polishetty), have developed greatly to give us some very compelling films. Perhaps it is telling of our growth as an audience that filmmakers are given platforms to make unique and interesting movies.
About the male gaze, it's true we women go through it every day of our lives. There's a dialogue in the Mumbai diaries 26/11 attacks series where Konkana sen is talking to doctor Oberoi who is fed up with his day going bad due to him being unable to save the lives of his patients after the attacks and seeing people die! Konkana looks at him and goes like 'what you are going through in this one whole day, we women go through this every day of our life!' honestly, I couldn't have agreed more.
My friend has a crush on a girl and told me that at first I thought that it's normal but then that girl told me that he follows her he also messaged her....I was shocked upon knowing this as I used to thought that I am friends with good people....I just told him to stop following her and taht she don't like it....I don't know why men think that following a girl will make the girl fall for them while it completely does the opposite...
@@anupamaMall this happened yesterday only and as I saw this video I commented and yes yesterday after the class he didn't follow her don't know abt today...I hope that he don't repeat this act..
Being a vijay fan, I have to say Villu, Sivakasi, Kuruvi and many more have a problematic theme portraying certain social injustice as heroic. I hope he makes better decisions on his scripts and never revert back to an era of such idiotic scripts.
Being Vijay Fan, I highly agree with you ...I don't feel he ever revert to those worst scripts. He try to improve with his approach like in Master about Girl Dress and rejected Perarasu Script (Sivakasi Fame).
@@cse_akbaradil0535 I don't think the deleted scene in itself is a rectification, more like the evolution of an actor and that evolution itself can be seen as the rectification
I know .....she was being too much there ...I too felt sympathy for Gopal.... Moreover SRK can be never wrong....call me biased...but...when it comes to SRK ..who isn't.... Yes SRK did have a point
@@TriedRefusedProductions those days anything was acceptable mainly because audiences didn't have much choice .... Today with OTT ..multiplexes ...TH-cam..etc ... things are different
@@rushme13.happiness.always they have what they wanted since 70s they wanted to see amitabh in angry young man image not in artistic, different type of movie and what do you think nri who lives in America ,or other countries who have hollywood but loves bollywood movies from that time
I agree. In South movies heroes uses derogatory remarks on screen. They (Writer/Director/Screenplay writers) kind of assumed that forcing a girl, stalking a girl and blackmailing a girl is part of a heroism. Being a South Indian I'm telling this.
@@xamtra but you just said dileep. Ok whatever. Dileep did that in real life which has nothing to do with the movies. And right now his condition is really bad. All his movies after that except ramaleela are box office bombs.
The first one made me remember a boy followed me for a while a few days ago thinking he was shooting his shot IT WAS THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER LMFAOOSJFJJFH💀💀
The communication problem the movie was tackling is actually real but the charector in that movie are damn stupid especially madhuri and selmon and the climax was way to over the top .
It would've turned out to be a much better film with better written character plots and better editing. But the stupidity of second leads ruined it lol
@@sarikajoshi7156 Umar bhar sona sakege kisi ke hona sakege Ajnabee to ho jaao gair hum ho na sakege Kisi begaane ki khaatir tumne apno ko bhoola diya.😢😢😢😢 my favorite song
Oh dear!! I once tried to communicate my opinion on these creepy, problematic and so called hilarious heroic scenes to our classmates. At that moment I became their ultimate target. The thing is they all enjoy it with no guilt and believe in a theory.. "Everything is acceptable for a Hero". And I will become the person with no movie sense 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Tamil cinema's akmark Stalker was Sivakarthikeyan. Dude's 75% of career was filled with him stalking a girl throughout the film throwing lame jokes. It's a shame that some people consider Vijay Sethupathy as his competitor. And as a Thalapathy Vijay fan since my childhood, i was also creeped while seeing those scenes that i got goosebumps those days. Am i got matured or WOT??
"The story is about a girl who is sold into prostitution by the protagonist whom she loves, or so thinks she does, but after she is rescued by the same man who sold her into prostitution, she forgives him and falls in love with him again with no consequences to the protagonist. The justification for joining the prostitution ring is to make money for his moms lung transplant. Wouldn't you rather die than be the cause of someone's pain and suffering?", This is literally Wikipedia. Even Wikipedia has an opinion on this shitty movie. Gaah
Vijay, Dhanush and Madhavan are legendary actors who should improve with every film. But it looks to me that due to their fan base, they regurgitate the same plots turning a blind eye to the deep rooted stalking, non consent, body shaming, clothes shaming issues. It is high time we hold actors accountable for the movies they sign to do since they largely represent society due to the popular movie culture.
Above all has been redeemed themselves ....this films happened around 2000 - 2014. Now each had understood current scenario and try to improve themselves.
I agree with the sentiment but you can't honestly expect an actor to stop working because of problems in the script. And if people are so easily influenced by a simple movie, then they're more to blame
Tbh i would like to see some "matlab kuch bhi" episodes on Hollywood movies. No movie industry is perfect. And although Hollywood is more progressive than indian movie industry. Sometimes even they take it too far. So I think it would be fun to see their shortcomings.
@Pratisha Biswal XI-J True I agree. And find it sometimes funny that women write these kind of books. And support them. Isn't a topic to talk about why women write such books and supports such books. As movie form they are criticized but as book form they must have gotten a good popularity. That's why they made it into movies.
@@rupalisingh1794 idk but movies like 50 shades of grey kinda feels like promoting sodomy. It's alright if you are into those stuff. But for me is just weird and cringy.
Stalking was normalised and is still normalised in all films, like it is the first step towards romance according to tamil films especially. Stalking is like an easy template for directors to get the intro between the hero and heroine so that they need not work on the storyline🤣.The reason why Madhavan's films(some) are overlooked is, there are more emotionally deep sequences, Which shift the viewer's focus. As a tamil woman and especially a Dhanush, I completely agree with your statements because a story influences everyone to a great extent. People must be mature enough to accept such criticisms n treat these stories as just incidents, instead of glorifying them.
Men watching women taking shower is a crime, it is voyuresim. Another similar scene is from Nayak when Anil Kapoor watches Rani Mukherjee taking a bath and even clicks her pictures obviously without her consent and then she falls in love with him. Terrible
There is a deleted scene in master where JD(played by Vijay) defends a girl from being slut shamed after being sexually harassed and assaulted and goes off on the professors who say this is what happen to girls who wear skimpy clothes. That shows how far Tamil cinema and Tamil directors have come and how far the audience have come. Hopefully this carries over to the future movies.
I was so absorbed in being Vijay's fan that I didn't even look at these obvious flaws in his films . Thank you ,tried and refused productions for making me realise those character flaws atleast now.
Yeah, the problem of stalking and commenting is celebrated in movies is what still persists in real world. I have been victim of public stalking and harassment thrice. it's very disturbing and trust me it lingers on to several days. I don't know when people will start seeing women as human rather than an object meant to suit their taste and molded by their so called patriarchy.😑
@@suryabhaicr7 no they are not. I get creeped out each day whenever i step out of my house on the street. We can live in a bubble and say are getting good..yeah slightly better but its 0.00001% improvement from last decade but we have a LONGGG WAYY to go.
@@rhythm2238 nobody told you to live in a bubble, nowadays more no of content driven films from every industry are coming nowadays, except tollywood, where stars are still sticking to same old masala type...
I am a tamilian and I appreciate that you have highlighted few sequences from Vijay and Dhanush movies. Stalking and harassing women seem to be a common theme in almost all love stories in films. Sad part is, the baton has been passed on to every generation. All the movies of Sivakarthikeyan, this generation star who is compared to Vijay, have the exact storyline of a guy stalking and forcing a woman to fall in love with him. I'm sure you will get a lot more sequences from his movies to add to this series.
Alaipayuthey was almost relatable for people back then because men during their young age, did creepy things like that at that time. But, watching this now where in most movies, girls are clearly creeped out with stalking and that men knows it being out of their minds, I am happy to know that more approaching is happening and rather not staring or following.
There is a difference in Alaypayute.The girl was not angry at him .After some time , just few instances,she was also interested in him .( Probably they both felt a connection).....unlike other movies where they show the girl absolutely hates the guy first and then love him after he torments her for a long time.
@@julpar253 Exactly. That was what was relatable back then. The roaming around and following a girl even after she looked interested was very common back then. Nowadays, most people straight up approaches.
Thanks for making these videos Jammy, be it the South film industry, bollywood or any regional television drama, the inherent glorification of sexism and misogyny in these contents as well as the audience consuming such content should be exposed! More power to you 🙌
The increasing amount of the reviewer's sarcasm is directly proportional to the extent of cynicism he's developed after watching inanities like these. 🤣
That's a very interesting point you bring out about Madhavan's films having regressive themes too. So much of our perspective is coloured by our internalised biases that we ourselves don't realise quite often.
Let me just tell you Jammy such guys do exist in real life. They will make you uncomfortable with their one sided love & when you tell them to stay away they'll make you feel guilty for denying their real true love.
I completely agree with jammy for calling out for vijay, he being a megstar many ppl don't criticise him cuz his fans r just gonna jump upon u n they will justify every problematic scene n its sickening to even continue argument any further. Im on ur side for this Cuz he influences 1000's of youth's. Ty for openly talking abt it. Cuz this is imp
RHTDM was a super hit, but imagine Saif's character was made the villain just because he was a NRI and was to marry Dia. However Maddy's character who was a fake, impersonator, stalker and had anger issues was the hero and the girl falls for her. The basic values are flawed..... 🤔🤔🤔
@@mrdaman99 people don't use their brains. Dil was a cult movie, remember the song "Khambe jaisi khadi hain, Ladki hain yaa chadi hai".....how derogatory is that 😑
@@anirbanbhattacharjee3474 agreed. Even Aamir regretted this on his show in 2014. the movies which we used to love watching in our childhood, as an adult I've realised that mostly they were cringeworthy to say the least. Be it govinda's movies of 1990s, DDLJ, kuch kuch hota hai,hum saath saath hai,dil toh pagal hai,hum dil de chuke sanam,judwaa,kal ho na ho, biwi no.1,raja Hindustani,pardes..., and the list goes on.
I have replied above in detail, from a girl's perspective. Scroll up and sort by newest comment karke padh lena. By no means justifying stalking but more of a character analysis I've done so you'd probably understand why that movie has a cult following.
I hated RHTDM for the same reason.. He is a stalker, liar and also harasses her when she rejects him.. I was so pissed off when she ended up with Maddy in the film..
Vijay films for me have always been uncomfortable to watch. It's something I always had on TV growing up but could never really accept it. Everybody treated it like it was normal and heroic but it was just cringy and uncomfortable for me. Even now most Vijay films lack story and reality. The latest hits like master, bigil, mersal,etc were all just commercial masala which is a genre I believe shouldn't exist. Except for the charm and screen presence Vijay has I find it difficult to accept that he is a great actor. He does have some good films but I don't think he has grown as an actor.
@@user-xh6ju3pg8c yeah. The creative side is trash. But the actor who's the face of the movie can go on to correct what is wrong to improve the output. That's lacking
This made me remember a dhanush movie where he slaps the heroine(tammana)..twice I guess,i don't remember the name. Makes me wonder how casually it's all up on TV. It's in a way responsible for shaping up the mind of kids.
I cannot imagine anyone criticizing the 'matlab kuch bhi' series. It has opened my eyes to several toxic and regressive tropes that even I considered normal because I grew up watching them. Your matlab kuch bhi series has been integral in educating me on what a healthy society should be like. P.S. Can you create a separate playlist for all the matlab kuch bhi videos?
I think his character is supposed to be toxic and have a redemption but if the other two characters who are supposed to be the good ones are so stupid then it will appear that he has a point
Not a single day has been there where i wouldnt get a stare or stares at the street whenever i head out of my home for some work and mind you its not because of clothing...even in normal jeans and tee some dudes stare as if they have never in their life seen a creature called women and its INFURIATING AS HELL😖🤬😵
Can't agree more on your point that mahavan doesn't face the same criticism as dhanush for same sort of creepy roles..never thought of it like that before but as always TRP videos makes us think and question problematic theme in movies so thanks a lot for that Jammy
It's like a scene in its always sunny in Philadelphia where he explains it all depends on how u look and that reflects on creepy or charming. Example : madhavan and dhanush.
I completely agree being a tamizhan that tamil cinema glorified stalking n harrasment. There is also another issue in tamil cinema in sometimes telugu also. Every "masala" film has one song that discriminates generalizes n objectives women. Some are highly offensive n sexist. Imo this culture was started after why this kolaveri. Some movies of popular stars does not have this but.... Why this kolaveri Intha ponnugale ipadithan Luck ah maatikichu Dauviya Kadhalikadhey n so on. Some songs of hip hop tamizha are also some what same. Clubla mubla Vaadi pulla vaadi. (Ik club la mub la was long back but the problem is their fans still love the song n justify it.)
In Hum Tumhare hai Sanam....Gopal's character was justified, ofcourse he went overboard many a times and had some issues but still even an open minded wife will also get insecure this way if she will witness her husband getting this friendly with his female best friend,its natural.... actually in the movie Madhuri's character was very dumb
@@TriedRefusedProductions How else were they suppose to make the film do long(sarcastically) . If they just had a talk then it would had become a short film.
let's be honest, it was a poor script which somehow grossed decent amount of money just because of the cast involved. the scene of srk and salman face-off where salman called srk a "chichhora", i was rather laughing rather than feeling sorry for state of srk. if you closely look at that whole scene, you can notice that when srk was asking him "ye le chal goli maar", just look at salman's face, he was controlling his laugh :)
While Dostana had Amitabh Bachan saying being a woman provocative wear is discouraged, the same man advocates against the old thought in Pink. This shows how the time has changed.
This Matlab kuch bhi series in my fav in your channel,but I would love to see an opposite of these series...like you bringing out some best and beautiful,thought provoking, gamechangers scenes from different time eras and region.....also Jammy I miss your old kind of videos where stars interviews and interactions were discussed 😊
I am Tamilian, and honestly, films like Villu make me cringe. Films released in the early 2000s romanticize stalking and harassment so much, that it becomes normalized and accepted in our society. I was catcalled a month ago, and let me also mention that I am barely 13. My friend told me to take it as a compliment because that's what movie heroes do. I officially give up hope in humanity. And no one teaches their kids about how to love and how to be loved. You just learn it from movies. But when movies are this shitty, your love life becomes shitty too. Stalking is not flirting. It's disgusting and makes people uncomfortable. If I see one more comment defending Vijay's actions in Villu, I swear to god, I'ma bury myself under my blankets and hibernate until humans start having basic decency and common knowledge.
I would like to see your review on a telugu film named Arya (2004) in which the lead actor keeps stalking and harassing the actress in every possible way to accept his love, and the worst part is that was a blockbuster in the year 2004, a path breaking film in Allu Arjun's career. These kind of "kuch bhi" scenes are pretty much common in Telugu, Tamil and Hindi films.
@Pratisha Biswal XI-J And the worst part was that Manisha koirala not even once accepted that she loved him....but he considers all along the movie that she loves him.... 😑
Aditya from jab we met Prem from ajab prem ki ghazab kahani Nikhil from hasee tho phasee. These are my favorite movie characters they are so adorable😍😍😍 😍😍😍
I always felt Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam is a deliberate sequel for Anjam in the mid 2000's with a twist wherein SRK's unfulfilled dream to marry Madhuri in Anjam came true through Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam. Coz SRK's borderline obsession disorder films also included Dar & Anjam as well other than Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam .
But im happy things getting changed in kollywood In sivakasi movie vijay blames asin for wearing a provoking dress But in master deleted scene He tells its not the fault of dress and tells the actual fault Dhanush sang that he is a swag guy without passing 1st grade Now in asuran movie he tells education is life
For a long time and even now, filmmakers have produced what the audience wants to see (what sells) instead of what the audience should see (quality). That's why there are many problematic films/ scenes/ songs...
In the film raanjhanaa dhanush has acted very well BUT the film glorifies stalking. The soundtrack is lovely but the amount of ppl who sympathize with Kundan is disturbing.
I don't know what's funny about this, there was a scene in the movie before where Madhuri's offers Salman Horlicks (he didn't even asked her too) instead of taking care of her husband (SRK) who is feeling sick. That's why SRK said that.
Can we have a video to celebrate the most loving, caring and sensitive male characters who know the meaning of consent. While we point out the toxic characters let's also look at some of the best written male characters.
in Alaipayuthey the attraction is mutual, the girl clearly reciprocates from the begining, but yeah Rehna hai tere dil mein is clearly toxic and misogynistic which is glorified as love
I watched hindi dubbed on Sony Max of film called Nenu Local (Dangerous Khiladi 4) This film left me brain dead and it stars one of my favourite actor Nani (Lead of Jersey which I adore) Basically the premise is a Jobless guy falls in love with a girl, lies to his parents so they get personal loan to send him into the college that she is studying in, stalks her Gaslights her manipulate her basically every toxic behaviour you can think of he has it, He drinks smokes and refuses to take any responsibility, when she asks him to quit smoking he says I was smoking before you came into my life you came later and I'm not leaving smoking for you bc that's how logic works I guess The girl's father sets her marriage to another guy who is also in love with her and years ago he asked for her hand to her father, father replied you have to become something, so he became a police officer in few years got home and everything a couple requires for a healthy life came back to ask if she would marry him now and if she refuses he would go away and leave her alone AND HE IS THE FUCKING VILLAN OF THE MOVIE 😫😫😫 after the second act our hero refuses to change his life, refuses to get a job, or leave all the bad habbits of smoking and drinking that is being paid by his mother bc he is fucking jobless she decides to marry the officer, the officer realises at the wedding day that she still loves him so he goes to Nani offer him a job so he can marry the girl that officer is in love with( but he is the VILLAN) and now that he has a job he can also convince the girl's father, guess what our hero does he refuses the job that was practically given to him in his hand By his logic He says he won't change bc this is the man she fall in love with and he wants be this guy for the rest of his life ( I was screaming into the screen in anger TU NALLA HAI CHUTIYE 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️) And after all this in the end he gets the girl with more gaslighting and manipulation and the father finally gives up WTF This film came out in 2017 😫😫😫
I'm a proud tamilian and a huge vijay fan. However I completely agree with all the important points raised. But let me highlight that most the early 20's movies across indian movie have been very distributing when women are only used like an object and eye candy.
I am a die hard fan of LadySuperstar Nayanthara.. still I've disliked films like Villu.. well the industries promoted only such sort of films back then.. Well from then to now Nayanthara has totally revolutionized the south industries and now does films like Puthiya Niyamam, Imaikka Nodigal, Aramm, Netrikann etc 💯 And just the way Samantha Akkineni speaks about Nayan..when one woman makes the change it positively influences others as well! ✨ Happy to see all these happening ❤
Actually Jammy, If u watch R.Madhavan's Alai Payunthey, He did stalk her. But he never pressurized her, He never tried to physically hurt her. And there was a scene where he goes to her near her train and proposes, and I consider it adorable. There was even a scene where they feel like they can't be together anymore and He faces rejection, But he never tried to give her a lecture like some other movies have done. If you watch the movie, It's amazing, It gives us a feeling of Love and Affection. If you watch the movie, you can understand the intensity of each and every scene. And also it has the Maniratnam essence. (Only My Opinion)
Good thing is that cinema industry is changing in India for the better. Less glamorous and make up free actresses are in movies now which is a huge change. Hope this kind of progressive trends will keep happening and influence new generation positively.
As soon as I saw on your insta that you will post a video at 4 pm. I was waiting. And boy I was not disappointed!! 😂 Your videos make my boring WFH day so much better. Loved it. As usual you are bang on regarding the "stalking-creepy-but-its-love"concept followed in Indian movies. Even famous romantic movies like DDLJ and RHTDM had such stalkerish and creepy moments but we were so conditioned and used to such movies that it seemed fine to everyone. But things are changing now, even if it is slow and gradual. People are finally opening their eyes to reality and your videos are providing a big help for that. So please keep up the good work. ❤️
I was in my first year of a girl's college when DDLJ released, and the craze was unthinkable. I found some scenes (like the train scene) creepy and uncomfortable, and said so, which resulted in my being an outcast in my class for many months. 😋 It's so satisfying to see sensible reviewers like TRP and Pretentious Reviews pointing out decades later what I realized back then!
Although I agree that the people who say "you are looking at movies of a different time and social climate", what I disagree with is that them excusing these movies bcz 1) We still watch a lot of these movies for a casual movie-viewing experience on TV and many people of the present or younger generation might overlook these problems or think they're ok so bringing these topics up will result them in knowing if what they're seeing is also a part of truly rude or unacceptable things. 2) Movies hold the history of a country. To know a country, you need to know it's both bad and good sides and while doing so, you cannot miss movies bcz movies too, have a huge impact.
One thing that I have always thought about is why no one, simply no one educates teenagers on how to love and be loved. I don't just mean sex education which is also equally important but just to know what healthy relationships look like , how they feel and mean. We cover every academic topic out there but why are relationships never considered worth discussing. It's one of most significant aspects of one's existence and totally left on kids to navigate through this on their own.
exactly!
Who taught your parents? Turned out alright didnt they?
@@sanjayvaidya4925 so u think that we shouldn't talk about how to maintain healthy relationships???
An objective discussion in our culture is never done, even among the friends. I hope we can motivate the next generation to do so.
Firstly , as a parent myself, one thing that needs to stop is putting parents on a pedestal of perfection. They may be perfect parents leading imperfect and unhappy relationships and lives. Strive to improve instead of blindly repeating patterns from your previous generation.
ranbir kapoor 's character prem from ajab prem i feel was such a progressive lover and someone who truly loved katrina's character b coz he was not in the pursuit of chasing her ..he genuinely wanted to help her overcome her personal struggles and challenges in life ...
Prem from APGK and Sid from Wake Up Sid are his best characters
Fr now I want to watch that movie again
My personal type is Aditya from Jab we met
Prem in APKGK was just opposite from Radhe in Tere Naam...
@@marina1607 Radhe in Tere Naam was toxicity
Being a Tamilian all my childhood I grew up with movies like padikathavan and Sachin and at that time I was made to believe that there wasn't any issues in the movie and was entertainment but now seeing those I myself feel what bizzare things have I enjoyed in my childhood??? And arguing with someone about these movies will land me in trouble here as the ask me to "enjoy" and not question.
Jammy about your views on Madhavan's movies is actually right because whether it's Maddy or Vijay or Dhanush wrong done is wrong done.
Yes. Movies were and are still sexist mostly. And the audience that is groomed by these movies has grown to think that women should be draped in a saree to be treated as one. For them, the actresses who do bikini or beach photoshoots are basically without a movie in their kitty and need glamour to get chances. Such instagram posts have comments with helluva name calling. Grow up, it's 2021. Dumbos
So true couldn't agree more
So true !! It didn't seem problematic in my childhood but now when I look back to it, I'm like wtf I watched
Yes. So true, but I can't say this in open, as their super fans doesn't see them as actors/actress, it's an another level..
They are so obsessed with the actors that they doesn't get how a film influence the people knowingly or unknowingly.. and it definitely makes an impact like stalking, moral policing is normal or even heroism.. but it's toxic
@@ramyasharma2008Ya, I just can't understand why these super fans are this much devoted to these actors!
I think that's why everyone loved jab we met so much when it came out...even in bollywood in early 2000s stalking=courting was the common theme or if it isn't stalking than the relationship had many misogynistic aspects (like guy casually slapping the girl,commenting on her clothes, lifestyle etc.)
Seeing a guy like Aditya was a novelty..
I still remember the best non comedic scene of the movie
They're in the train and geet asks" mai tumhe bhot achi lagti hu na?".
He replies" bohot,par wo mera problem hai"...no threatening of suicide like ranjhana or zabardasti shadi or anything
I don't remember whole of the movie, but I remember and love that he was happy in her being happy, even if that meant losing her. Also he didn't go to Shimla to shoot his shot, he just wanted her to get back to her home safely.
@@shanayazaveri2620 yess..he's till this day the best male character for me(as you know a bf or husband)...Jake Peralta is number 2
That’s why I love jab we met
to be honest, a few scenes were problematic in that movie as well.
Shahid as Aditya>>>>Shahid as Kabir
8:35 nothing wrong in being attracted to someone. Problem is when u can't accept rejection from someone u r attracted to
True till today its still a big problem , all the acid attacks, rapes , harassment, stalking even after marriage etc etc are still happening in India because its not pointed out strongly and mainly entertained through movies and shows wow disgusting 😑 😒 😐 can't say more just fed up of not changing.
Have been stalked, harassed, constantly stared at and groped by a 'friend' from college when I was really young and instead of warning him off, all my other friends asked me why I didn't like him back and tease him with my name as though anything in that entire equation was mutual. I had clearly told him I don't think about him as anything other than a friend. Had asked him if I had given any indication that I was interested and he replied in the negative. And YET that didn't deter him from acting the exact same way. Still, somehow, I was the 'heartless' person for rejecting him. The pressure was so much that all I could do was let it all slide as a joke and had started believing that maybe I was the one who was overreacting when in fact I had to bunk a couple of classes just to avoid being touched by him. All of us are doctors, by the way... so, yeah. education doesn't change anything and this entire "harass and stalk her and she'll fall in love with you" trope really needs to go. Movies and shows need to stop glorifying such disgusting acts.
Its very common among indian schools , i don't know why people think its funny and all but its even traumatizing even for boys.
The teasing shit needs to stop. "Friends" are supposed to have your back. It's never okay to dismiss someone feeling uncomfortable whatever the reason maybe.
Those were not called Friends.
Very upset to hear this. The people around are just as big a problem as the stalker
Personally, I have observed that Stalking was glorified and was not seen problematic in the Tamil Cinema Industry until 2014-2015. There were several movies which came upon that theme and moral policing in movies was prevalent during that time. However, due to the rise of new age directors in the last decade with their increased sensibilities stopped glorifying such madness and the audience too evolved. Earlier Movies which were glorified were seen from a new aspect and new movies which still stuck to the same concept was trashed and bashed, examples being movies like 'Remo' and 'Mr. Local'. Tamil Cinema Industry is now moving away from glorifying such concepts for good.
@UC83MJ9En056Msm1La6DPweg 7G Rainbow Colony too loomed over the same concept, however Director Selvaraghavan never glorified the concept of Stalking. In fact, the protagonist will be shamed for such actions. He will be viewed as a good for nothing person who will never amount to something. It is only when he turns into a new leaf after going through humiliations, he gets the attention of the girl. so the concept of Stalking and harrasment was actually trashed in the movie subtly, it was never shown in a heroic light.
The worse part about Mr.Local is that the Remo created the controversial stir on the topic of stalking that SK went on to state that he won't commit to such movies again but going to star in Mr.Local. Hypocrite much?!
@@abe6816 I guess that Mr. Local was already shot by the time that controversy took place and hence, the script couldn't be reshot or something. It is refreshing to see him move away from such concepts in his recent movies such as Namma Veetu Pillai, Hero. The upcoming Doctor Trailer too looks really good and seems to break away from his usual mantra of movies. So let's hope that he doesn't do such films anymore.
But unfortunately, body shaming and racism is still prevalent. Santhanam jokes mostly tend to body shaming. In Bigil(2019), Vijay fat shames and bullies a character in front of others in the pretext of 'motivation'! 😢
@@gokulkumar9887 the movies were released 3 years apart actually. Just hope that he doesn't influence the youth's mind with more of such crap
Just because something was 'acceptable' once, doesn't mean that we can't criticize it. Sati system, child marriage, etc were all acceptable in a certain time period, what makes some people think that we should embrace the fact that they were 'acceptable' or representing an era? They were still glorified. Certain crimes and immoral things were glorified. It'd the same as accepting the crimes done by people in past as normal. Something considered bad today, has been a bad thing since forever and we should not put our word weapons down just because they weren't considered bad in a "certain period of time".
dont talk about triple talaq and multiple marriages in islam secularism will be in danger, typical SICKULARISTS
Well written👏
@Aditya Dubey Ha and the 4 wife system wow...., That's why the cult of Islam lures men more than women.
@@superman-fb4ye Exactly 👍🏻.
@@superman-fb4ye shows how little your brain is
That person just gave an example you managed to put religion on it
Finally somebody spoke about Vijay's problematic messaging throughout his filmography in the late 90s and early 20s
True.. and these stupid fans always consider him God.. when his movies promotes nothing but sexism and misogyny
Isnt this like 90% of south movies. Like there are great movies that came out of south indian cinema but most if them are bizarre and uncomfortable @gayathrivenkatramanan7424
I swearrrrrrrrrrrrr.
I still don't understand how the scene of his character meeting Pooja Hegde's character in Beast aroused zero negative reactions in the theatre, atleast where and when I saw it. Infact there were a couple of people that cheered!
I still don't understand how!
That electric shock kiss creeps me out😨😨
I know right!
At that time there were several movies being made with the same kind of concept towards women a trend that people wanted and accepted during that time. Unacceptable but no backlash during that time
@@Tisharoy. Can be but people had a different mindset towards anything and everything during that time period
And he didn't get the shock when she touched him 😂 matlab kuch bhi
Actually the scene is not Vijay electrocuting Nayan for a kiss but rather opposite Nayan tries to electrocute Vijay to back at him gets electrocuted nd Vijay mistakes it as a signal which was intentionally designed that way gets kisses while gets electrocuted as well its actually funny scene where Vadivelu tries to separate also gets electrocuted nd kisses Vijay it was mindless comic scene i.e tom nd jerry
I truly truly believe stalking girls and harassing woman culture in India is a product of movies. I am from a rural background, stalking and harassing girls was considered "cool" thanks to our role model heroes. Guys like me who were hesitating to do that were considered as beta male.
True comment finally!!! its really happening which nobody points out here thankyou or I would have posted articles here I am frustrated 😞
You are real man. Men who do those stuffs are beta
You are your mom's beta, so that's enough. Good that you respect boundaries
Anyone who uses beta/alpha/omega/etc is not a human in 2021
I was also under so much pressure to go after girls in my teens, as my friends would say 'be a man', 'girls like this man!', n the cliche 'na me han hai(their no means yes)' etc.,
Brovo bro, your comment made me so happy.
Now I'm a happy bisexual enjoying both the tastes of dating life.
BTW for those 'heroes' most girls are quite okay if you approach them respectfully and ask them out. If you get rejected then get over it big deal!, if she rejected you because of personality fault, analyze if needs being fixed and if it's superficial reasons then maybe she's not a good or right girl for you.
The scene in Love Aaj Kal when Sara Ali Khan unbuttoned her shirt before going to interview and after that her justification for that so called libral act was way cringy and speechless!
Omg that is a brilliant topic to talk about! Like wtf was that
Knew the film was going to be cringey from the trailer
Isiliye dekha hi nahi😎😎😂
U are right ...that was so disturbing to me that I stopped watching the movie as soon as I realized that what that scene was trying to convey!
Seriously... She literally objectified herself ...it was an disgusting act
@@mystical_peace the name itself was enough to not watch..so was the trailer.. Scnes would be ignored then...
Constant debates and conversations about sexism in Bollywood movies over the years has reduced such sexist portrayals and moral policing to a great extent in movies from recent years. Its not 100% eradicated, but its safe to say that at least 98% of recent popular films and web series shows are free of it. Such rigorous debates and conversations about content matter should happen within the South film industries as well. That's the only way change will happen, sliding it under the rug in the name of entertainment is not the solution.
True
IMO Sexism is not reduced, it just took different forms.. since glamorous female leads took place of bichari/abla female leads... many BW films still cast female actress just to stand beside hero without having any contribution to story
@@tingtingball true
@@tingtingball That's true, it will take a long way to achieve 100% equality for both actresses and actors. But you can also notice how in this recent decade itself there has been a noticeable drop in movies that glorify stalking, moral policing, rape victim marrying the rapist and other bullshit that was so popularly shown in films as recent as early 2000s. Meanwhile there has also been a subsequent surge in meaty and meaningful roles for actresses, wherein they can hold their own in the film alongside the male lead, and the popular women-centric films where women carry the film without any need of a male lead.
There has also been a noticeable rise in good number of movie/web series roles for actresses of the yester-years who don't get the 'young lead girl' roles anymore and have passed their peak. So as you can see the good changes outweigh the bad ones when it comes to women's representation and more successful women directors in recent years in Bollywood.
I agree there have been bad changes as well when it comes to sexualisation or when the actress's role is just of an eye candy for the male lead throughout the film, but even in this case such things are openly pointed out by critics and audience and duly criticised for it. There are still meaningful debates going on, so hopefully these bad changes will also get outweighed by good ones in the near future. We need more women directors and screenplay writers who will solve this mess by telling women's stories through their own eyes and not through a man's eyes.
@@strawmanfallacy8666 yes... i am not denying the change. Its happening and its good. But with good come some bad 😐.. let's not loose hope though!
Also the commercial movies add such things bcoz ppl watch and appreciate it. When ppl will stop going to such movies it will die down.. 🤞
Absolutely agree with Vijay's films. I can't believe that I grew up watching his film Sachein as a cool romantic comedy. Same goes for Sivakasi (the public shaming of Asin), Minsara Kanna (where he lectures Khushboo that a woman can never be independent like a man. Khushboo has an eccentric characterization which is anyways a separate topic for discussion).
@Jammy, u need to watch 7G Rainbow Colony - the agony faced by the heroine Sonia Agarwal, has not been depicted better in any other mainstream commercial Tamizh film, due to the unabated stalking by the hero. It can be an ideal topic for ur next Mathlab kuch bhi episode.
Regarding Madhavan in Alaipayudhey, Karthik in Mouna Ragam - both being the most celebrated films of Mani Ratnam, yes, stalking was present. Though in Alaipayudhey, it can be argued that the script is such that Shalini responds to Madhavan's advances passively (she visits his house for the baby shower, smiles at him etc., but this in no way justifies the stalking), it was continuous pursuing and stalking in Mouna Ragam by Karthik despite repeated strong rejections from Revathy (unlike the case in Alaipayudhey). However, the bottomline is, to the general audience, stalking becomes a problem only when a ruffian like hero does it. It does not unfortunately appear to be a problem to the general audience when the hero who is doing this has a good personality. And in Mouna Ragam, Karthik is shown as a dashing handsome young man .
I don’t think however 7G glorified stalking. Most people were disgusted by the methods Kathir used to confess his love for Anitha and he himself alludes to the fact that he isn’t classy enough to give her a card with a rose and this is the love he knows.
I know of women who wear hijab, abaya and sometimes even in niqaab they still get harassed by these chichore types. The attitude that women are at fault for being harassed is not only bogus, it is misogyny and victim blaming.
Literally every woman giving their opinion would say that they hate being followed or continuously stared at, and regardless of all these complaints, people still think that these ways will steal our hearts ...i've had some guys (one of them esp) relentlessly staring at me no matter how many times I showed that I'm not interested and even angry glares (questioning only makes people tell me that I shouldn't take it seriously 😑)..and they still shamelessly continue to do so...it honestly only creeped me out rather than make me feel attracted to them
Are you saying women know more about their experience than male writers/directors of bollywood? You gotta be kidding me.
I have had similar experience. there was this moment when i was looking attractive (maybe??) and 2 supposedly cultured south Indian juveniles crossed the area and they stared at me amusingly and incessantly. I, being the impulsive self that i am expressed my discomfort with bad mouthing... And there response to it was... whats wrong with her..? they chuckled and left the place. According to them, i protesting their gaze was stupid, they were just admiring. Shouldnt admiration be more appealing than gawking, objectifying and making people feel uncomfortable?? I happened to watch few dubbed south indian movies recently and now i know why they thought the way they did.
That’s more like the way to ‘manipulating’ women to like them.
@@utsgotnoguts ikr. I get the sarcasm but its not funny at all for me...its the reality for many women out there..and its heartbreaking that we glorify harrassing so much in our movies. 😓
@@yinrules yes finally you understood
Just imagine an unknown guy kissed you suddenly and then he keeps on smiling as you loose your temper. Feels unsafe
Not unsafe..creepy disgusted🤮
Ahh yes it's that time of the month to be offended along with Jammy again!!!arrrgh I'm kind glad that this series is continuing although Jammy has to go through endless headaches for it💖
'Get offended with jammy' wow
Each week I'm thankful Jammy hasn't been traumatized by making this series
Something from real life that I am prompted to talk about is the whole aspect of normalising stalking. I remember that when I was in my late teens, I initiated something by glancing over at this guy who was 20 from across the room. Ever since, he'd always stare at me from a distance and he literally constructed this whole 'affair' thing just based on staring at me from a distance. It was as if only the two of us knew about it, like he wanted to keep this some secret 'understanding' between us. I'm not just saying that this guy was checking me out, he was practically living and dwelling in a story where he'd watch me from a distance. Initially locking eyes with him felt so powerful, it was like this connection I never felt before, but since he never spoke even when I tried approaching him and didn't want to do anything about it, I eventually lost interest in him. However, he still didn't stop.
Although I only saw him occasionally, it went on for almost 5 years! He always stands at a distance to watch me, and at parties, he'd stand afar, hide or crouch behind the door and stare at me. I ignored all this too, until one day when he was again standing at a distance and staring at me when I started getting really annoyed. It went for a couple of minutes straight, and being under his surveillance felt like I had no escape. I wanted to be left alone, I wanted to escape his gaze, so I hid behind something for a minute or so hoping that he'd stop. However, even when I stepped out, he was still standing there, at a distance waiting for me to step out so he could still keep staring. Something about this feeling just made me nauseous, I felt sick and when I got into my car I couldn't stop crying. I didn't care to reason anymore, I didn't care if he's doing thing because he thought I was still in love with him but I gave this guy enough chances, 5 years of chances, before I finally realised that this made me feel trapped. I just wanted to escape from it.
People have told me "yeah but you initially loved him, so it's ok right?" No, staring for a couple of seconds to convey interest is fine, but if the other person lost interest in you and you still keep watching them from afar continuously, it is an unhealthy fixation and an obsession which is a form of stalking.
Yes I understood your concern as it is really happens in our society I too experienced that , I have only one thing to say sorry dear lets stay strong and move on . Next time try to speak up and solve with confidence . Being confident and facing is better than escaping because once I as a early teenager I used to just glance when I cross by at one uncle in park of my colony he used to do yoga exercises something just after 3 or 4 times and I regret like anything as he saw me .at first he tried and talked about like good person about studies fitness but I can't find his true intentions till he asked me to talk to his wife and daughter while I was passing by his house which is near my besties house I luckily escaped with just bad touch back hug . But after that he continues stare after that incident. I am very happy for escaping and shifting house as my parents are working. Imagine this horrible childhood never repeat a mistake like this even bastards like old people will haunt .after growing up now I want to fight against such situations for anyone.
He sounds like a real social inept. It's sad how it all degenerated to that point. I hope he left you alone eventually? Be safe ya...
Even I have faced when I was 14 and when I was 19 , I can tell how mentally exhausting it is , there is this unspoken fear embedded inside you ..at some point I imagine of killing them and ripping them because I was so stress and angry ..it's always remain in your mind , you cannot deviate your mind ..you feel ashamed and if you tell people they will laugh at you like this is something a joke and harmless gesture .one of my friend said oh dekho woh tumko dekh raha hai as if I should be proud of this since I becoming more desirable ...I can understand you very well
@@stacy3035 you are great.
@@stacy3035 Omg that sounds terrible, I'm glad you're safe. My situation isn't dangerous or anything, it was a guy I used to like, but because he continued doing this even after I stopped, it made me uncomfortable. Infact, I'm sure that even if I was still interested in him the aspect of standing afar and watching someone is obsessive and unhealthy regardless.
Indian telivision is so depressing ...people should raise there voice against such serials where 2 marriages are shown or child marriage is shown such that ladki badi hokar pyar krne lgti what rubbish
You are doing such a great work *tnrp* 💪👏more power to you
I know which serial you are talking about
Rubbish adhura pyaar😂😂
yes
Well down here in south tv serials caused hell lot of clashes between mother and daughter in laws, wife and husbands. Max indian serials are based on kidnaps,tactics,rivaraly between in laws. This has to END they have done enough damage in middle class houses 🙄🙄. Govt/censor board has to take actions against such concepts.
Bahut aawaaz utha raha hai...itna aawaz uthaa raha hai ki Imlie aur Udaariya toh top 5 me hai...😆😆😆😅..trp me...itna hate failaaye hai na...🕳️🕳️🕳️
@@kattibattisonachamak575 bhai india ka kuch nhi ho skta barbaad h desh
How do you know Lord Jammy is in a crowd?
Just say “Matlab Kuch Bhi” and you hear someone laugh the loudest 😂
Lmao
लमाओ
But man na padega banda ko...yese chutiye movies ko dekhta he video banane ke liye
700th 👍
@@inderjitsingh1097 brain damage for us. Respect+
The south indian film industry has had a very interesting development from the 2010's. I remember watching those movies as a kid and even then being appalled by some of the scenes. But over the past 5 to 7 years, the south indian industry, malayalam, tamil and telugu (my favorite being naveen polishetty), have developed greatly to give us some very compelling films. Perhaps it is telling of our growth as an audience that filmmakers are given platforms to make unique and interesting movies.
Trueee🔥
No bro they were really great before that time period too
@@rebantade2187 Sexist and misogynist male lead characters is "great" for you?
@@strawmanfallacy8666 i hate grills 😌
@@strawmanfallacy8666 they were good films too🤷
About the male gaze, it's true we women go through it every day of our lives. There's a dialogue in the Mumbai diaries 26/11 attacks series where Konkana sen is talking to doctor Oberoi who is fed up with his day going bad due to him being unable to save the lives of his patients after the attacks and seeing people die! Konkana looks at him and goes like 'what you are going through in this one whole day, we women go through this every day of our life!' honestly, I couldn't have agreed more.
Woah thats deep had to read it a couple of times to understand that!!
Big ups to you guys for handling it with grace 🙌
I dint understand how are the two related?
The fuck. Imagine using a tragedy for gender brownie points, what does one even have to do with the other??
@@oh_Siddhie97 they are not
As a 17 y/o now, I cannot believe I watched some of these as a kid and thought they were normal. Wow.
My friend has a crush on a girl and told me that at first I thought that it's normal but then that girl told me that he follows her he also messaged her....I was shocked upon knowing this as I used to thought that I am friends with good people....I just told him to stop following her and taht she don't like it....I don't know why men think that following a girl will make the girl fall for them while it completely does the opposite...
Did he stop?
My god😖😖😖
@@anupamaMall that's what I want to know too.
@@anupamaMall this happened yesterday only and as I saw this video I commented and yes yesterday after the class he didn't follow her don't know abt today...I hope that he don't repeat this act..
The concept of CONSENT was alien to Indian film makers, I mean "लडकी की ना मे भी हाँ छुपी होती है " is what they were telling a decade ago
It is still alien to people of porn industry.. so what?
@yo bunny feminism dala ja rha h jabardasti captain marvel ko sabse zyda powerful dikhya ja rha just because vo ak lady h
@yo bunny just woke things thappad everything is shown like exaggerated... because it's a movie
@yo bunny 😒
@yo bunny there's nothing wrong with feminism when 'thappad' n 'pink' gets recognised and 'section 375' doesn't 😁😁
Consent should be matter of common sense. Nobody likes being stalked and harrassed in the name of attraction.
Being a vijay fan, I have to say Villu, Sivakasi, Kuruvi and many more have a problematic theme portraying certain social injustice as heroic. I hope he makes better decisions on his scripts and never revert back to an era of such idiotic scripts.
Being Vijay Fan, I highly agree with you ...I don't feel he ever revert to those worst scripts.
He try to improve with his approach like in Master about Girl Dress and rejected Perarasu Script (Sivakasi Fame).
He rectified his mistake in Master deleted scene about the dressing
@@cse_akbaradil0535 I don't think the deleted scene in itself is a rectification, more like the evolution of an actor and that evolution itself can be seen as the rectification
@@g-man9469 yaa 💯 brother it's an evolution
@CEO of Secularism Brainless hater spotted 😂
David dhawan will make sajan chale sasural's sequel for sure 😂😂😂
The intro was a snippet of the video but I had to remove it due to copyright issues but that film is absolutely bonkers!
@@TriedRefusedProductions Yeah but he thinks it's a masterpiece jammy 😂😂 and i have watched that film.
Starring varun dhawan
No ... Not sequel.... Just a remake
@@prateekmathur1162 oh yess my mistake remake
Radha's dumbassery in Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam actually made me sympathise with Gopal.
I know .....she was being too much there ...I too felt sympathy for Gopal....
Moreover SRK can be never wrong....call me biased...but...when it comes to SRK ..who isn't....
Yes SRK did have a point
partially I agree. He has his own set of issues but the oblivious nature of Radha tested my patience
me tooo 😅..
@@TriedRefusedProductions those days anything was acceptable mainly because audiences didn't have much choice ....
Today with OTT ..multiplexes ...TH-cam..etc ... things are different
@@rushme13.happiness.always they have what they wanted since 70s they wanted to see amitabh in angry young man image not in artistic, different type of movie and what do you think nri who lives in America ,or other countries who have hollywood but loves bollywood movies from that time
I agree.
In South movies heroes uses derogatory remarks on screen.
They (Writer/Director/Screenplay writers) kind of assumed that forcing a girl, stalking a girl and blackmailing a girl is part of a heroism.
Being a South Indian I'm telling this.
Don't bring malayalam cinema into this. Malayalam cinema has much less scenes like this than bollywood.
@@aasamspb967
But Dileep like heroes does that in real-life.
@@xamtra dileep kumar is a bollywood actor.
@@aasamspb967
Not Kumar only Dileep.
@@xamtra but you just said dileep. Ok whatever. Dileep did that in real life which has nothing to do with the movies. And right now his condition is really bad. All his movies after that except ramaleela are box office bombs.
I still repeat we want "MATLAB Kuch Bhi" merches . And jammys hair routine 😎
Petition for the merch !!
Leke rahenge...!!
The first one made me remember a boy followed me for a while a few days ago thinking he was shooting his shot IT WAS THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER LMFAOOSJFJJFH💀💀
LMAO 🤣
Be careful. Some crazy people out there.
@@aarushparvataneni3249 thank you! Yes I'm pretty aware of my surroundings at the time but in memory I do like to laugh on such absurd memories.
@@shreeya3789 if u r in hometown u may laugh but if u r in another city just run as fast as u can, register a FIR against him.
@@nikhilism_1515 you are really cautious
There are so many red flags in these movies I could sew a wedding dress for each woman in my family with fabric to spare.
Can I steal that line please?
@@shanayazaveri2620 Please do.
Damn! This line is really great I am stealing too. 😜😜😜
Super lines.
This needs to be pinned 😂
Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam was surely a film that could have ended earlier. But I don't really think it was a bad/ too unrealistic movie.
@Abrar S. yes.
The communication problem the movie was tackling is actually real but the charector in that movie are damn stupid especially madhuri and selmon and the climax was way to over the top .
It would've turned out to be a much better film with better written character plots and better editing. But the stupidity of second leads ruined it lol
@@sarikajoshi7156 Umar bhar sona sakege kisi ke hona sakege
Ajnabee to ho jaao gair hum ho na sakege
Kisi begaane ki khaatir tumne apno ko bhoola diya.😢😢😢😢 my favorite song
@@strawmanfallacy8666 That movie was delayed by 14 years.
Oh dear!! I once tried to communicate my opinion on these creepy, problematic and so called hilarious heroic scenes to our classmates. At that moment I became their ultimate target. The thing is they all enjoy it with no guilt and believe in a theory.. "Everything is acceptable for a Hero". And I will become the person with no movie sense 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Tamil cinema's akmark Stalker was Sivakarthikeyan. Dude's 75% of career was filled with him stalking a girl throughout the film throwing lame jokes. It's a shame that some people consider Vijay Sethupathy as his competitor. And as a Thalapathy Vijay fan since my childhood, i was also creeped while seeing those scenes that i got goosebumps those days. Am i got matured or WOT??
"The story is about a girl who is sold into prostitution by the protagonist whom she loves, or so thinks she does, but after she is rescued by the same man who sold her into prostitution, she forgives him and falls in love with him again with no consequences to the protagonist. The justification for joining the prostitution ring is to make money for his moms lung transplant. Wouldn't you rather die than be the cause of someone's pain and suffering?",
This is literally Wikipedia. Even Wikipedia has an opinion on this shitty movie.
Gaah
😂Hahahaha
Vijay, Dhanush and Madhavan are legendary actors who should improve with every film. But it looks to me that due to their fan base, they regurgitate the same plots turning a blind eye to the deep rooted stalking, non consent, body shaming, clothes shaming issues. It is high time we hold actors accountable for the movies they sign to do since they largely represent society due to the popular movie culture.
Above all has been redeemed themselves ....this films happened around 2000 - 2014.
Now each had understood current scenario and try to improve themselves.
Vijay is overrated as hell
Absolutely agree. Stop putting actors on some heavenly pedestal for gods sake.
I agree with the sentiment but you can't honestly expect an actor to stop working because of problems in the script. And if people are so easily influenced by a simple movie, then they're more to blame
@@AdarshKumar-lh3wo I am vijay fan but it's true.
Tbh i would like to see some "matlab kuch bhi" episodes on Hollywood movies. No movie industry is perfect. And although Hollywood is more progressive than indian movie industry. Sometimes even they take it too far. So I think it would be fun to see their shortcomings.
Agreed
Yeah like for example recent movies like After, 50 shades of Grey, 365 days. All those movies were so cringy and matlab kuch bhi
@Pratisha Biswal XI-J True I agree. And find it sometimes funny that women write these kind of books. And support them. Isn't a topic to talk about why women write such books and supports such books. As movie form they are criticized but as book form they must have gotten a good popularity. That's why they made it into movies.
@@rupalisingh1794 idk but movies like 50 shades of grey kinda feels like promoting sodomy. It's alright if you are into those stuff. But for me is just weird and cringy.
@@riadhussain428 Hahah Even that was a wrong portrayal people called that movie out for that too. And that's not my taste too.
Stalking was normalised and is still normalised in all films, like it is the first step towards romance according to tamil films especially. Stalking is like an easy template for directors to get the intro between the hero and heroine so that they need not work on the storyline🤣.The reason why Madhavan's films(some) are overlooked is, there are more emotionally deep sequences, Which shift the viewer's focus. As a tamil woman and especially a Dhanush, I completely agree with your statements because a story influences everyone to a great extent. People must be mature enough to accept such criticisms n treat these stories as just incidents, instead of glorifying them.
Men watching women taking shower is a crime, it is voyuresim. Another similar scene is from Nayak when Anil Kapoor watches Rani Mukherjee taking a bath and even clicks her pictures obviously without her consent and then she falls in love with him. Terrible
I smile automatically seeing TRP notifications 🥰 These videos never disappointed me 😃
There is a deleted scene in master where JD(played by Vijay) defends a girl from being slut shamed after being sexually harassed and assaulted and goes off on the professors who say this is what happen to girls who wear skimpy clothes.
That shows how far Tamil cinema and Tamil directors have come and how far the audience have come. Hopefully this carries over to the future movies.
I was so absorbed in being Vijay's fan that I didn't even look at these obvious flaws in his films . Thank you ,tried and refused productions for making me realise those character flaws atleast now.
Yeah, the problem of stalking and commenting is celebrated in movies is what still persists in real world. I have been victim of public stalking and harassment thrice. it's very disturbing and trust me it lingers on to several days. I don't know when people will start seeing women as human rather than an object meant to suit their taste and molded by their so called patriarchy.😑
Fortunately, these things are getting decreased nowadays👍👍👍👍
@@suryabhaicr7 yeah.. somewhat
@@suryabhaicr7 no they are not. I get creeped out each day whenever i step out of my house on the street. We can live in a bubble and say are getting good..yeah slightly better but its 0.00001% improvement from last decade but we have a LONGGG WAYY to go.
@@rhythm2238 nobody told you to live in a bubble, nowadays more no of content driven films from every industry are coming nowadays, except tollywood, where stars are still sticking to same old masala type...
I am a tamilian and I appreciate that you have highlighted few sequences from Vijay and Dhanush movies. Stalking and harassing women seem to be a common theme in almost all love stories in films. Sad part is, the baton has been passed on to every generation. All the movies of Sivakarthikeyan, this generation star who is compared to Vijay, have the exact storyline of a guy stalking and forcing a woman to fall in love with him. I'm sure you will get a lot more sequences from his movies to add to this series.
Alaipayuthey was almost relatable for people back then because men during their young age, did creepy things like that at that time. But, watching this now where in most movies, girls are clearly creeped out with stalking and that men knows it being out of their minds, I am happy to know that more approaching is happening and rather not staring or following.
There is a difference in Alaypayute.The girl was not angry at him .After some time , just few instances,she was also interested in him .( Probably they both felt a connection).....unlike other movies where they show the girl absolutely hates the guy first and then love him after he torments her for a long time.
@@julpar253 Exactly. That was what was relatable back then. The roaming around and following a girl even after she looked interested was very common back then. Nowadays, most people straight up approaches.
Thanks for making these videos Jammy, be it the South film industry, bollywood or any regional television drama, the inherent glorification of sexism and misogyny in these contents as well as the audience consuming such content should be exposed! More power to you 🙌
Arey waah, Jammy posting well before time... Such consistency... Love it.
Keep up the good work.
The increasing amount of the reviewer's sarcasm is directly proportional to the extent of cynicism he's developed after watching inanities like these. 🤣
haha accurate!
That's a very interesting point you bring out about Madhavan's films having regressive themes too. So much of our perspective is coloured by our internalised biases that we ourselves don't realise quite often.
Let me just tell you Jammy such guys do exist in real life. They will make you uncomfortable with their one sided love & when you tell them to stay away they'll make you feel guilty for denying their real true love.
It's like fiction reflecting reality and reality imitating fiction
Absent of consent in movies get into my nervous... Hero is justified for his actions and heroine toh kya bole, she fall for him... Like duhhh..
I completely agree with jammy for calling out for vijay, he being a megstar many ppl don't criticise him cuz his fans r just gonna jump upon u n they will justify every problematic scene n its sickening to even continue argument any further.
Im on ur side for this Cuz he influences 1000's of youth's. Ty for openly talking abt it. Cuz this is imp
RHTDM was a super hit, but imagine Saif's character was made the villain just because he was a NRI and was to marry Dia. However Maddy's character who was a fake, impersonator, stalker and had anger issues was the hero and the girl falls for her. The basic values are flawed..... 🤔🤔🤔
I agree with you.
I dont know why that movie has a cult fan following
@@mrdaman99 people don't use their brains. Dil was a cult movie, remember the song "Khambe jaisi khadi hain, Ladki hain yaa chadi hai".....how derogatory is that 😑
@@anirbanbhattacharjee3474 agreed. Even Aamir regretted this on his show in 2014.
the movies which we used to love watching in our childhood, as an adult I've realised that mostly they were cringeworthy to say the least. Be it govinda's movies of 1990s, DDLJ, kuch kuch hota hai,hum saath saath hai,dil toh pagal hai,hum dil de chuke sanam,judwaa,kal ho na ho, biwi no.1,raja Hindustani,pardes..., and the list goes on.
I have replied above in detail, from a girl's perspective. Scroll up and sort by newest comment karke padh lena. By no means justifying stalking but more of a character analysis I've done so you'd probably understand why that movie has a cult following.
@@mrdaman99 yeah all this were shit, but read above why rhtdm doesn't fall in this category.
Dhanush’s commercial movies are quite boring. His artistic movies are awesome.
I hated RHTDM for the same reason.. He is a stalker, liar and also harasses her when she rejects him.. I was so pissed off when she ended up with Maddy in the film..
Vijay films for me have always been uncomfortable to watch. It's something I always had on TV growing up but could never really accept it. Everybody treated it like it was normal and heroic but it was just cringy and uncomfortable for me. Even now most Vijay films lack story and reality. The latest hits like master, bigil, mersal,etc were all just commercial masala which is a genre I believe shouldn't exist. Except for the charm and screen presence Vijay has I find it difficult to accept that he is a great actor. He does have some good films but I don't think he has grown as an actor.
Truth is spoken
Its not Vijay
The writing is trash
@@user-xh6ju3pg8c yeah. The creative side is trash. But the actor who's the face of the movie can go on to correct what is wrong to improve the output. That's lacking
@@user-xh6ju3pg8c probably the fans are trash, which makes him say okay to bad scripts according to the low standards of his fans ?😂
@@abe6816 actor wouldn't change the complete script would he??
This made me remember a dhanush movie where he slaps the heroine(tammana)..twice I guess,i don't remember the name.
Makes me wonder how casually it's all up on TV. It's in a way responsible for shaping up the mind of kids.
Its Venghai.
@@vengadeshkannavathy7225 oh yeah. That movie! Horrible it was.
I cannot imagine anyone criticizing the 'matlab kuch bhi' series. It has opened my eyes to several toxic and regressive tropes that even I considered normal because I grew up watching them. Your matlab kuch bhi series has been integral in educating me on what a healthy society should be like.
P.S. Can you create a separate playlist for all the matlab kuch bhi videos?
The "Matlab Kuch Bhi" in the title made me click faster into the video 😅
Jammy is a man of thought, whatever he says makes absolute sense ❤️😌
Man, I must say that you've created a niche for yourself. Kudos!
Every time I watch Jammy's videos, my respect for him grows much more everytime. More people need to become like you.
Its weird how Shah Rukh's acting skills ranges from this movie to my Name Is Khan, dil se...
SRK's acting in HTHS is good.
Excuse me. The acting in Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam is good. We are questioning the societal conditioning of film not acting skills here.
@@abhishekbhardwaj8398 complex bolta hai mereko... Complex bolta hai mereko...
Anyway fine line between acting & overacting was breached for sure
@@RahulSharma-si5qe Your perception!
I think his character is supposed to be toxic and have a redemption but if the other two characters who are supposed to be the good ones are so stupid then it will appear that he has a point
That’s why I love jab we met it had none just a pure romantic story
For God sake bollywood, stalking eve-teasing and harrassing is not romantic. Ask that girl who is been eve-teased every now and then 🥺🥺
Not a single day has been there where i wouldnt get a stare or stares at the street whenever i head out of my home for some work and mind you its not because of clothing...even in normal jeans and tee some dudes stare as if they have never in their life seen a creature called women and its INFURIATING AS HELL😖🤬😵
@@rhythm2238 true. For us college/work going girls, everyday stares in metro is soo common
Can't agree more on your point that mahavan doesn't face the same criticism as dhanush for same sort of creepy roles..never thought of it like that before but as always TRP videos makes us think and question problematic theme in movies so thanks a lot for that Jammy
It's like a scene in its always sunny in Philadelphia where he explains it all depends on how u look and that reflects on creepy or charming. Example : madhavan and dhanush.
Yes. Because of the implication.
How to get a girl
Rule number 1 - Be attractive
Rule number 2 - Don't be unattractive
Rule number 3 - Refer to Rules 1 & 2
I completely agree being a tamizhan that tamil cinema glorified stalking n harrasment. There is also another issue in tamil cinema in sometimes telugu also. Every "masala" film has one song that discriminates generalizes n objectives women. Some are highly offensive n sexist. Imo this culture was started after why this kolaveri. Some movies of popular stars does not have this but....
Why this kolaveri
Intha ponnugale ipadithan
Luck ah maatikichu
Dauviya
Kadhalikadhey n so on. Some songs of hip hop tamizha are also some what same.
Clubla mubla
Vaadi pulla vaadi.
(Ik club la mub la was long back but the problem is their fans still love the song n justify it.)
@@nightkingxx he's literally pulling her towards him forcibly all thru the song . N she's running away
I really love srk performance in that movie, his observation towards other women can be questionable but towards his wife is his right.
but why not ask clearly, from the onset rather than let it all build up and take it out in the form of anger
SRK plays flawed characters so good.🤩
In Hum Tumhare hai Sanam....Gopal's character was justified, ofcourse he went overboard many a times and had some issues but still even an open minded wife will also get insecure this way if she will witness her husband getting this friendly with his female best friend,its natural.... actually in the movie Madhuri's character was very dumb
@@TriedRefusedProductions How else were they suppose to make the film do long(sarcastically) . If they just had a talk then it would had become a short film.
let's be honest, it was a poor script which somehow grossed decent amount of money just because of the cast involved.
the scene of srk and salman face-off where salman called srk a "chichhora", i was rather laughing rather than feeling sorry for state of srk. if you closely look at that whole scene, you can notice that when srk was asking him "ye le chal goli maar", just look at salman's face, he was controlling his laugh :)
While Dostana had Amitabh Bachan saying being a woman provocative wear is discouraged, the same man advocates against the old thought in Pink.
This shows how the time has changed.
Us as a society have a long way to go, the things are changing for sure for the good @Tried&Refused Productions
Yes definitely evolved! Slowly tho, very slowly
Oh definitely! We still have a long way to go
He is evolved from that Dostana and Chumma chumma dede to PINK
This Matlab kuch bhi series in my fav in your channel,but I would love to see an opposite of these series...like you bringing out some best and beautiful,thought provoking, gamechangers scenes from different time eras and region.....also Jammy I miss your old kind of videos where stars interviews and interactions were discussed 😊
I am Tamilian, and honestly, films like Villu make me cringe. Films released in the early 2000s romanticize stalking and harassment so much, that it becomes normalized and accepted in our society. I was catcalled a month ago, and let me also mention that I am barely 13. My friend told me to take it as a compliment because that's what movie heroes do. I officially give up hope in humanity.
And no one teaches their kids about how to love and how to be loved. You just learn it from movies. But when movies are this shitty, your love life becomes shitty too.
Stalking is not flirting. It's disgusting and makes people uncomfortable.
If I see one more comment defending Vijay's actions in Villu, I swear to god, I'ma bury myself under my blankets and hibernate until humans start having basic decency and common knowledge.
RHTDM is the grandpa of Kabir Singh.
Arjun Pandit- Kids these days
@@dhruvmenon6989 hahaha please 😂
@@dhruvmenon6989 Instant nightmares
I would like to see your review on a telugu film named Arya (2004) in which the lead actor keeps stalking and harassing the actress in every possible way to accept his love, and the worst part is that was a blockbuster in the year 2004, a path breaking film in Allu Arjun's career. These kind of "kuch bhi" scenes are pretty much common in Telugu, Tamil and Hindi films.
Behold the king of sarcasm has arrived🤲
Saathiya also showcases stalking...I never thought that once cheered so much by youth would have such stereotypical aspect associated as normal !
its a remake of the Madhavan clip you see here
@@TriedRefusedProductions Ooo it's the same movie...My bad..... I didn't knew it!😅
Some of mani ratnam movies like dil se , bombay also showcase stalking
But still these movies are great
@Pratisha Biswal XI-J And the worst part was that Manisha koirala not even once accepted that she loved him....but he considers all along the movie that she loves him.... 😑
This is much awaited series with complete dose of laughter 😂
First time like 🤩
This is so problematic that i didnt have a laugh but a whole episode of disgust and rage.
One thing i like about this channel is that the comment section is always has interesting takes.
Aditya from jab we met
Prem from ajab prem ki ghazab kahani
Nikhil from hasee tho phasee.
These are my favorite movie characters they are so adorable😍😍😍 😍😍😍
Hum tumhare hai Sanam is still one of my favorite movies xD but yeah the salman/madhuri bromance was too suffocating for a husband
The film addresses all three character's issues and tge film ends with them understanding it... Then why did Jammy pointed that in matlab kuch bhi?
I always felt Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam is a deliberate sequel for Anjam in the mid 2000's with a twist wherein SRK's unfulfilled dream to marry Madhuri in Anjam came true through Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam. Coz SRK's borderline obsession disorder films also included Dar & Anjam as well other than Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam .
Well it is a good theory.
So like an alternate ending? Kind of weird cause his character was portrayed as a total villain in both Darr and Anjaam
@@anvitamohan7939 So u just noticed they were villainous characters & not the borderline obsessions? That's even more weird isn't it ?
@@manalisarkar6311 I am not saying they were mentally healthy but they (especially the Anjaam one) were not portrayed in a sympathetic light
But im happy things getting changed in kollywood
In sivakasi movie vijay blames asin for wearing a provoking dress
But in master deleted scene
He tells its not the fault of dress and tells the actual fault
Dhanush sang that he is a swag guy without passing 1st grade
Now in asuran movie he tells education is life
For a long time and even now, filmmakers have produced what the audience wants to see (what sells) instead of what the audience should see (quality). That's why there are many problematic films/ scenes/ songs...
In the film raanjhanaa dhanush has acted very well BUT the film glorifies stalking. The soundtrack is lovely but the amount of ppl who sympathize with Kundan is disturbing.
I usually get angry whenever I see Sachein and Villu because of these scenes. Thank you Jammy for saying about these problematic scenes ☺
the only notification that makes me go....yeah yes yep.🤭❤
Lolzz the last dialogue cracked me up,when he said tumhe yeh Pata hai, Usse Horlicks acha lagta hai🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't know what's funny about this, there was a scene in the movie before where Madhuri's offers Salman Horlicks (he didn't even asked her too) instead of taking care of her husband (SRK) who is feeling sick. That's why SRK said that.
@@coolguy2563 I know, but the way the narrator said, I found that funny 😊
Can we have a video to celebrate the most loving, caring and sensitive male characters who know the meaning of consent.
While we point out the toxic characters let's also look at some of the best written male characters.
There aren't enough of them to make an entire video out of it in mainstream movies.
in Alaipayuthey the attraction is mutual, the girl clearly reciprocates from the begining, but yeah Rehna hai tere dil mein is clearly toxic and misogynistic which is glorified as love
I watched hindi dubbed on Sony Max of film called Nenu Local (Dangerous Khiladi 4)
This film left me brain dead and it stars one of my favourite actor Nani (Lead of Jersey which I adore)
Basically the premise is a Jobless guy falls in love with a girl, lies to his parents so they get personal loan to send him into the college that she is studying in, stalks her Gaslights her manipulate her basically every toxic behaviour you can think of he has it,
He drinks smokes and refuses to take any responsibility, when she asks him to quit smoking he says I was smoking before you came into my life you came later and I'm not leaving smoking for you bc that's how logic works I guess
The girl's father sets her marriage to another guy who is also in love with her and years ago he asked for her hand to her father, father replied you have to become something, so he became a police officer in few years got home and everything a couple requires for a healthy life came back to ask if she would marry him now and if she refuses he would go away and leave her alone AND HE IS THE FUCKING VILLAN OF THE MOVIE 😫😫😫
after the second act our hero refuses to change his life, refuses to get a job, or leave all the bad habbits of smoking and drinking that is being paid by his mother bc he is fucking jobless she decides to marry the officer, the officer realises at the wedding day that she still loves him so he goes to Nani offer him a job so he can marry the girl that officer is in love with( but he is the VILLAN) and now that he has a job he can also convince the girl's father, guess what our hero does he refuses the job that was practically given to him in his hand
By his logic He says he won't change bc this is the man she fall in love with and he wants be this guy for the rest of his life ( I was screaming into the screen in anger TU NALLA HAI CHUTIYE 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️)
And after all this in the end he gets the girl with more gaslighting and manipulation and the father finally gives up
WTF
This film came out in 2017 😫😫😫
I'm a proud tamilian and a huge vijay fan. However I completely agree with all the important points raised. But let me highlight that most the early 20's movies across indian movie have been very distributing when women are only used like an object and eye candy.
True. That is a fair assessment.
he is a hypocrite, bigil was a joke
I am a die hard fan of LadySuperstar Nayanthara.. still I've disliked films like Villu.. well the industries promoted only such sort of films back then..
Well from then to now Nayanthara has totally revolutionized the south industries and now does films like Puthiya Niyamam, Imaikka Nodigal, Aramm, Netrikann etc 💯
And just the way Samantha Akkineni speaks about Nayan..when one woman makes the change it positively influences others as well! ✨
Happy to see all these happening ❤
Also she is working with SRK now 😍 can't wait to see them on big screen 🔥
@@coolguy2563 🤩🤩❤❤
Actually Jammy, If u watch R.Madhavan's Alai Payunthey, He did stalk her. But he never pressurized her, He never tried to physically hurt her. And there was a scene where he goes to her near her train and proposes, and I consider it adorable. There was even a scene where they feel like they can't be together anymore and He faces rejection, But he never tried to give her a lecture like some other movies have done. If you watch the movie, It's amazing, It gives us a feeling of Love and Affection. If you watch the movie, you can understand the intensity of each and every scene. And also it has the Maniratnam essence. (Only My Opinion)
Yes!! It's a beautiful movie
7:33 That was Deepak Sehgal in the "Pink" of his health. 😛🤣😂😅
Good thing is that cinema industry is changing in India for the better. Less glamorous and make up free actresses are in movies now which is a huge change. Hope this kind of progressive trends will keep happening and influence new generation positively.
As soon as I saw on your insta that you will post a video at 4 pm. I was waiting. And boy I was not disappointed!! 😂
Your videos make my boring WFH day so much better. Loved it.
As usual you are bang on regarding the "stalking-creepy-but-its-love"concept followed in Indian movies. Even famous romantic movies like DDLJ and RHTDM had such stalkerish and creepy moments but we were so conditioned and used to such movies that it seemed fine to everyone. But things are changing now, even if it is slow and gradual. People are finally opening their eyes to reality and your videos are providing a big help for that. So please keep up the good work. ❤️
I was in my first year of a girl's college when DDLJ released, and the craze was unthinkable. I found some scenes (like the train scene) creepy and uncomfortable, and said so, which resulted in my being an outcast in my class for many months. 😋 It's so satisfying to see sensible reviewers like TRP and Pretentious Reviews pointing out decades later what I realized back then!
Although I agree that the people who say "you are looking at movies of a different time and social climate", what I disagree with is that them excusing these movies bcz
1) We still watch a lot of these movies for a casual movie-viewing experience on TV and many people of the present or younger generation might overlook these problems or think they're ok so bringing these topics up will result them in knowing if what they're seeing is also a part of truly rude or unacceptable things.
2) Movies hold the history of a country. To know a country, you need to know it's both bad and good sides and while doing so, you cannot miss movies bcz movies too, have a huge impact.