Civilization 5 - Filthy's Wonder Tier List
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- Filthy rates the wonders in Civilization 5: Brave New World for multiplayer play.
Special thanks to SuperJonM for compiling the time stamps for me. Cheers mate!
Download the excel sheet at: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
I realize that I missed Globe Theatre. In my view it's a t5 for similar reasons as Broadway but with a slightly more useful great person.
0:00:00 - Introduction
0:01:42 - Wonder Tier List
Tier 1 Wonders:
0:05:32 - Alhambra
0:08:30 - Colossus
0:10:48 - Great Library
0:13:05 - Hanging Gardens
0:14:50 - Hubble Space Telescope
0:16:32 - Machu Picchu
0:17:29 - Notre Dame
0:19:35 - Prora
0:22:24 - Statue Of Liberty
0:25:13 - Temple of Artemis
Tier 2 Wonders:
0:28:53 - Borobudur
0:31:22 - Brandenburg Gate
0:33:32 - Chichen Itza
0:35:20 - Eiffel Tower
0:36:57 - Forbidden Palace
0:39:01 - Great Lighthouse
0:41:43 - Great Wall
0:44:36 - Leaning Tower Of Pisa
0:46:02 - Mausoleum Of Halicarnassus
0:48:57 - Petra
0:52:07 - Stonehenge
0:54:03 - Taj Mahal
Tier 3 Wonders:
0:55:29 - Hagia Sophia
0:58:04 - Kremlin
1:01:07 - Neuschwanstein
1:03:51 - Oracle
1:06:32 - Porcelain Tower
1:09:03 - Pyramids
1:12:00 - Red Fort
1:13:52 - Sistine Chapel
Tier 4 Wonders:
1:15:11 - Big Ben
1:17:42 - Himeji Castle
1:18:58 - Parthenon
1:20:02 - Terracotta Army
Tier 5 Wonders:
1:22:30 - Angkor Wat
1:23:23 - Broadway
1:24:10 - Great Mosque Of Djenne
1:26:02 - Louvre
1:27:11 - Statue of Zeus
1:28:34 - Sidney Opera House
1:29:58 - Uffizi
Tier 6 Wonders:
1:30:56 - CN Tower
1:32:57 - Cristo Redentor
1:34:39 - Great Firewall
1:35:46 - Pentagon
1:36:50 - Closing Comments - เกม
Great Lighthouse - situationally game-breaking...and that situation is being England.
+StyxTBuferd
basically you build the heck out of longbowmen for 2 range machine guns.
The best part is you don't need to waste hammers building it, it has to be a coastal city so your SotLs can take it easily!
Alsiexmon
In maps smaller than 4, this is actually pretty viable. Larger? You might be too far away to effectivly fight them.
On king games I manage to snag both the lighthouse and the colosus. Those two together makes costal sooo good.
Nah, the free lighthouse works wonders. Such at ime saver, and you can work on your starter policy.
***** As England you'll probably want Exploration anyway. They're just so good at coastal warfare that the infrastructural bonuses that Exploration provides (all unique to coastal cities) outweigh the bonuses of Commerce.
I suppose you don't need GL with England as much as, say, Netherlands or Carthage- civs who also have naval bonuses but are much worse at waging sea warfare. Denying it from your opponents will, however, make the game pretty much a win for you on Archipelago and an almost guaranteed win on anything other than Pangea.
The fact is, as England, you know you want to wage naval warfare. So investing in GL means you're going to get a return on that investment as long as you make it to renaissance.
That awesome moment when you build Petra in Warsaw with 12 desert hill and a few hill desert sheep with a ducal stable.
Have fun spawning that
necroing but Exactly Ryu -- poland start bias is plains! :D
I did have a game where i was close to desert, but i had to give up a coastal plains hill and move inland in order to get petra. Decided against doing do.
That happened to me one time and I fucked it up and had to make a new game 😂
@@tyronejenson2929 how do you fuck that up? Declare war on Attila and delete your units?
infantry to mech infantry is 10 gold to upgrade... you save 3 gold with pentagon yay
Have you never used Honor as a tree?
Truncates down to the nearest increment of 5 gold... so no change.
In singleplayer it’s something kinda nice for the ai to waste time on
Porcelain tower is a great single player wonder. Worth it in that scenario almost exclusively though.
True -- but note that he makes videos for the FFA-MP crowd without the AI :)
@@Anolaana just like the wonders, he plays in extremely situational scenarios.
Great video Filthy, incidentally if i ever play a game with you I will make sure to build Pentagon purely for your amusement.
I'm used to build it when I have large armies. Maybe it's not the best idea. I'll think about that in game the next time...
Then build the Kremlin and put the free policy into Aesthetics
It’s worth it if your going xcoms and build up a ton of paratroopers
CN Tower would be cool if it wasn't locked all the way in the info era. You get broadcast towers in the modern era, by the time you get telecommunications you'll already have one in every city.
Victor Viridian I deliberately avoid building broadcast towers so I didn't waste the production by the time I build CN Tower. It hasn't backfired on me yet.
+Jordan Shank but you'd be missing out on a lot of culture.
It was wonderful when you'd conquered a couple of civs and their cities were just stagnant and feeling like swimming with lead ankles. Build this and the whole conquering effort suddenly seemed worth it!
I guess by that point you would have done most of the conquering you need though. Later on is just a question of taking in cities that are probably already developped since they'd be the Capitals/Secondary cities of other Civs.
Well the conquering you need compared to the conquering one feels compelled to do! Depends on the play style to be honest. If you're quite isolationist (tall, or whatever) at the start then a late game rush to grab developed cities is fine, and this helps with them all suddenly losing half their population. It's a pretty unique scenario though I grant you!
@Dantes reeves Oxford is a national wonder, everyone gets to build one, this was solely a discussion of the World Wonders
+FilthyRobot Can you do a video on naval units/warfare?
Started playing this game recently and I have to say the way you thoroughly break down each topic in this series is outstanding. By far the most helpful Civ 5 videos I've found on TH-cam.
Can't wait for unique unit tier list.
Neither can I.
Longbow>Battering Ram>Everything else
More like Ship of the Line > Camel Archer > everything else
@@financialstablility7196 God, I love how the original comment is 4 years old and the response is only 10 months old. Makes it absolutely comical.
@@KillinTime2792 camel archers beat all
Filthy this is awesome! So much information, it's unreal. I've been playing Civ since Civ II Gold. I think I might have been playing the earlier versions, but that's what I remember. I've never played at your level. Great job with the video.
+Patrick Carrick Thanks mate!
Can't wait for the NQ Pro players tier list.
The Pentagon has one use and one use only for me: upgrading landsknechte to pillaging helicopter gunships in the late game, if I want to cripple an opponent by taking out luxuries and/or strategics like uranium and aluminium. With the honor-policy they actually are cheap enough to pay for themselves if they can pillage enough. It really works when promotion saving is on so you can get the extra movement promotions.
Neuschwanstein is pronounced: noi-shvan-shtine.
moismyname new - shwan - shtain
@@Vladi_AK47 no.
New - shoe - shine
@@markuskorpela5531 Finally someone cleared it up, thanks Markus!
Get the cool, get the new shoe shine
Always cool to see the multiplayer view things in this game. Great video!
22:23 while talking about the statue of liberty, i think to myself: "Only one civ can fully enjoy the benefits of freedom."
This seems like a real world quote an anarchist/humanist (or similar) would say.
until you remember there are actually two statue of liberties. one in us and the other in france
Hey man I've been watching your videos for a while and I think that you're an absolute hidden gem on youtube. Just stumbling upon your videos I am so lucky and happy to have found this. You don't receive as much credit as I think you deserve. Keep it up buddy
For anyone looking to apply this video to single-player Civ vs. AI (Emperor and above), apply the following changes:
- Ancient era wonders are almost irrelevant because you can't get them. The AI will almost certainly build them first; plans to get them almost cripple you longterm.
- Classic/Medieval wonders have similar drawbacks, BUT are sometimes buildable. You must rush for them but getting, say, Petra is possible on a good start if you move quick.
- All tourism Wonders become more valuable than listed here; Tourism wins ARE plausible vs AI. Most of those wonders become T3 to T4 - helpful but not gamechangers alone.
- Porcelain Tower is better because AI will still make research agreements with you.
- CN Tower is less bad if you've gotten a wide empire (implausibly wide for multiplayer). This is better the wider your empire is. 6FFA Quick Speed you'll never get large enough to make this any good, but in a vs. AI domination game this can be a lot of population, and a net happiness up combined with happiness policies and/or wonders.
- Neuschwanstein and Kremlin are less bad because you can more easily spare or steal your way over to Railroad tech for them. The science race is less critical.
one more thing to apply is: if you DO plan to do conquest, you can leave it to AI to build it then you take it from them, especially ones without specific city need to shine, and ones without instant bonuses (temple of artemis, statue of zeus, great lighthouse)
You can still get a various number of ancient wonders atleast on Emperor. Great Library is certainly all the time gone, but ToA and Hanging Gardens are possibly. Deity however is a whole other level
@@Paynovski You can still get a lot of them on immortal, once I even managed to get Hanging Gardens on Deity because non oher civ went tradition.
Is there any difference in AI's decisionmaking capabilities between Emperor and Deity or they just give more cheats to the AI and that's it?
@@user-mb9np6sh7u I don't think there's any difference in the AI's decision-making between Settler and Deity, just vast amounts of cheats.
Thanks again filthy for another fantastically useful and interesting video. Your explanations are clear, and thorough, and you're clearly an expert. Looking forward to your first Civ 6 videos! I also very much enjoyed chuckling at your pronunciation of Notre Dame (This one was hilarious), Hagia Sophia, and Neuschwanstein.
I know this comment is 5 years old but in America that is the way we say Notre Dame most people, unless they learn French and learn the proper way I guess, but it is how I have heard most people pronounce the name of the famous university in Indiana and its how I have always said it, and I am a sports fan so I have heard many announcers say that when talking about the American Football and basketball teams for example. So maybe its funny since you are European probably but that is how we say it here mostly, even the school. And I know Filthy isn't too far from where the school is, like the neighboring state, so he probably is saying it like the locals around him too.
Gotta remember when you are saying you have no idea why they are in the game, when you are playing single player you are playing a different type of game and going for different victory conditions.
Craig Smith, he specifically states at the beginning of the video that this is for multiplayer with no quitters mod
DeadKnight08 that wasn’t OP’s point. The wonders are still there for the single player, Filthy is just saying it has no place in multiplayer or whatever
You give such detailed guides... I'm a casual player and about 70% of this goes over my head. Then again, I don't really play multiplayer, but just against comps (now on King difficulty).
CN Tower: actually it gives you a net gain to happiness if you have the freedom tenant for half happiness with specialists and haven't filled all of your engineer slots. This is reasonably significant if you have a lot of cities. It also gives you extra happiness if you have forbidden palace + aristocracy. I'm not saying it's a great wonder, but I wouldn't put it at the same level as Cristo / Pentagon
By that time you should already have your happiness and golden ages stabilized (perma GA or no GA) anyway, because ideology policies give so much happy. It is just way too late.
Great video, any chance we can get a mini video ranking the natural wonders? Maybe talk about which one's are worth going to war over, which are worth expanding too far away, and which one's are just plain bad?
The ones that give food are good, and all others except fountain of youth aren't worth going out of your way to get.
mindexplosion2012
Faith ones are decent too.
I've recenty gotten into civ 5 and I always put up watching civ vids 'cause they're all so god damn long. This time I powered through though, good video :)
It's a game that takes hundreds and hundreds of hours to dissect and git gewd at as well. I'd rather take an hour to watch a video with some great info than waste 50 hours building things that aren't beneficial.
If u build the great wall, u deny others from building it. Making ur conquests ez
While covering your back with an awesome defensive wonder.
Insanely in depth. Great work filthy!!!
Talking about wonders for liberty vs tradition could be a nice addition. Oracle is extremely nice for liberty for example, as it gets you to your final policy quicker, which could mean an extra 15-20 turns of Academy science or A great engineer for something.
thanks, a lot better than some other civ 5 youtubers - the information about terracotta army was useful
I seem to recall another stupid strong effect of the Hanging gardens (maybe not in the mod). It allowed you to make the gardens EVEN in a city NOT next to a river, which is a requirement for the garden iirc. So you get the +6 food, which is god-tier, but then you also happen to get a garden in a city that would never have gotten one (provided your capital is not on river, or you have the hammers to make the HG in an expand).
For Great Lighthouse you were talking about how the +1 movement & +1 sight will stack with just opening Exploration which also grants +1 movement & +1 sight. Another thing you should've mentioned is that if you're England that adds +2 movement for total of +4 movement (& still +2 sight) which is absolutely insane.
It's kinda situational (although not extremely difficult to achieve if you get England) and could happen in as early as Medieval Era which would more than double that era's ship's movement, Galleass from 3 to 7.
you are hardcore sleeping on the pyramids. It becomes one of
the strongest military wonders when your workers can repair improvements in a single turn, allowing your troops to pillage and heal twice
That's banned in multiplayer
@@supersonicmanoutofyou1705 i honestly thought i discovered that myself…
I remember this one time on Deity invading the Shoshone with Himeji+Order+Defender of the Faith+Forest covered capital. His promoted riflemen's defense went up to >90, jesus o_o. Good thing he was fighting all game long (his army dwindled to a few units) and he was my last opponent. By that time I already had a bunch of artillery + a heavily promoted army of gatling guns, so it ended up not being that hard, but the combat strength stacks were insane nevertheless.
These tier list videos are really great! Are you planning on doing any more of them (Natural wonders etc)?
Viewers seem to like them, so I expect I'll do more at some point.
Filthy, you need to make a unit tier list. Please I rely on you when it comes to civ
+That one guy Well in his civ tier list 2.0 he talks briefly about which units are the premiere units of all eras.
Ancient/Classical - Chariot archer
Medieval - Knight,Crossbowman
Renaissance - Frigate
Industrial - Artillery
Modern - Infantry
Atomic - bomber (IMO paratroopers as well)
Informational - Stealth bomber,Nukes
It really depends on the situation but in my experience you need to build most of these in order to have a stong,all around and not expensive units.
+NothingOut OfNothing for informational era I'd say the giant death robot is the best
ripped dog that comes way too late for it to be relevant actually and also the stealh bomber can attack from anywhere you want and can heal from safe distance.SB and bombers decimate armiesBut it usually does not even come to them in multiplayer since most wars are over by then.
+ripped dog Giant Death Robots are useless. The only reason to build them is to troll.
A handsome, ginger, nerd. You, my friend, are a tier one wonder.
"never going to have a culture victory"
That seems to have changed
NQMod?
Awesome guide, thanks Filthy! ❤️ could you make one about hidden game mechanics, such as worker routines, tile improvements, great people buildings and their placement, 3 tile city radius production, luxuries, resources, placing cities on hills or rivers or coastal, all the pros and cons. Like i said, hidden mechanics. A lot of ppl didn’t like civ 6, me and my friends are still playing civ 5 bnw. Your guides are awesome, would love one about the things I mentioned above. Thanks dude 👍
I'm with you on the +1 range battleships, and if you are England and can have +1 ship of the lines, you can really make life tough on people. I always go for the range promotion on frigates/battleships.
A very nice summary! It of course depends on the game you play;- the common 6max speed MP is certainly different than a Deity Marathon run with culture spammers (say, Morocco, or Brazil) . Lowest priority wonders (the whole tourism load) in your games ( you forgot about the Hermitage, I believe...) become far more interesting there (and NewSwanStein quite good) , than in these ultra-aggressive PvP games on small maps. Still, Cristo, Pentagon, or Firewall remain crap, apart of course from the victory points you get. ;)
you are fantastic at what you do. thank you !
An amazing game for War Mongering Shaka would be having Alhambra and Brandenburg Gate with his unique building replacement and the Armory and Military Academy. The amount of deadliness that would be is off the charts.
It would be annoying as hell for you to do, but in your civ video, you had links to each civ in the video by time - would be handy again here - if you ever have the time! Thanks for all your work man. You're making me better at an awesome game that I've sunk hundreds of hours into..!
Done!
FilthyRobot You fucking legend Filthy, thanks again man!
Crazy that running on quick vs standard completely changes all this
what would it change for you?
@@employee4275 Very little, the only relevant changes are wonders that give fixed rewards (like the mausoleum of halicarnassus) is better on quick mode.
I've only watched two FilthyRobot videos thus far. It has taken 5 and a half hours. And I don't regret any of it,
Another great civ vid from filthy. Keep in mind, no wonder is really game breaking by itself (they are all situational as he said). They can be great, but games can be won with 0 wonders, if you focus on sim-citying, or if you want to go early military push. -kdjd
Great commentary. Subscribed. :)
noosh-wan-steen.
It's German my friend, pronounced Noish-van-shtein. Now you'll never have to worry about mispronouncing it! Great guide too, very nice for helping me out on my way to being a good multiplayer player.
Smashingpain no it's Bavarian.
I've found Himeji Castle stacks well with Polynesia's maoi defense bonus, plus if you have a bunch of units upgraded from Maoi Warriors the lowered enemy attack power makes them exceptionally difficult to assault.
do you play online?
Not sure he does. Maoi are quite good, but you don't really build more than 2, and Himeji dosen't come till Reniassance
I've rushed Pentagon with an engineer in a close three way game as Venice. I had twenty bombers so upgrading them to Stealth Bombers helped significantly to kill my two opponents. Never would've been able to do this without this wonder as they were already using XCom
I wasn't aware science and culture victories are so looked down on / rare in competitive games. Are they more achievable on standard or epic speed?
+dalmacietis, I'm not a pro player, so I may be wrong on this, but I don't usually like science or culture victories because they're almost ALWAYS the first victories to be achieved making having other victories pretty much pointless [and lets face it, domination is the most fun usually]. Culture victory, if being attempted by an experienced player, can be done during mid game play before even the industrial era has started. One example is to get the Byzantines, get the first religion, enhance it first, get the +2 tourism per religious building, and get an extra religious building. Then city spam a bit, get +2 per, then meet every other civ with astronomy. You'll win shortly after since you'll be getting +4-6 tourism PER city. Science victory isn't much better, as by the time you get to very late game and are just getting the best units, someone is already going for a science victory making even bothering with late game units pointless. What you should be doing is either building tons of nukes to stop other civs from getting a science victory, or going for it yourself. Doing anything else will most likely cost you the game. Because of this, most people don't like playing with these two victories since they'll almost always beat out a domination [unless someone gets a good start with Attilla or something and is with less experienced players] and almost always beats out diplomatic as well. Culture will almost always be the first victory, followed closely by science, then a toss up for domination and diplomatic. [and I honestly don't know anyone who likes time]
*Culture Victory:* These more or less depend on your opponents letting it happen; it's not actually that hard to out-culture all the tourism possible for a VERY long time. You can sometimes cheese out a futurism victory but these are visible coming from a freaking mile away and simply don't work if even one player decides to throw their guilds up and work them hard for quite a while, as well as grabbing some Cultural city-states.
*Science Victory:* You often win with science, but not specifically the Science victory. You need to have Nanotechnology AND Particle Physics AND to build the Apollo Program AND to build several extremely hammer-intensive spaceship parts in order to go to space to win. In reality if you get that deep in the tech tree and your opponents aren't hopelessly far behind they'll probably go Nanotech or Stealth themselves (remember, you need TWO end-tree techs and some time, they just need one) and then they bum-rush you. If they aren't in a position to try this, you can win the science victory if you don't feel like simply winning Domination instead... and before any of those, your opponents will probably just concede the game if they can see this coming and can't stop it.
Thank you very much!
I would love to see the Religion Tier list as well.
Perhaps you could play Byzantium and show us the situations where going religion can help for any victory.
Lots of guides on the list, and the religion one keeps coming up. Perhaps I'll get to it at some point!
Great tier list. Do you think it would be a nice idea to make a Combat Units tier list?(I'm kinda new to the game so I dont know whats worth producing or not)
Been considering it, dunno
FilthyRobot Yes Please a Combat Units Tier List Please !!!!!
+Mike Nie every unit in the game has it's role. It really depends what you're trying to do.
MrZsc
Nah. In vanilla lancers, swordsmen, catapults, the entire tank line, AT guns, jet fighters, and mechanized infantry are all pointless
some are a lot more situational, but they can have their uses. I use lancers to pillage occationally.
For real these guides are great. Even us SPer noobs can apply a lot of the knowledge.
I for one love Red Fort when playing as Babylon, with the walls of Babylon, you will be almost indestructible
Oh, Petra. I was playing on a small continents map once (with PerfectWorld3) and spawned on my own desert island. Not too far from my capital was King Solomon's Mines. RNG smiled brightly on me that day.
hey, quick note, in many cases your webcam blocks the description text of the wonder, which is unfortunate; would be awesome in future videos if you can better position the text on the screen to be readable;
Hey Filthy love your videos I do have a question. In this one you talked about opportunity costs and I just wanted to ask is there another video you have where you go more into depth like saying "Now is a good time to put towards [insert wonder] most of my games I try to evaluate whens a good time to make one and I always seem to get beat by a turn or 2 so I just want to try to better myself.
I'd be very interested in a number of things such as Unit tier lists/Natural wonder lists/National wonder lists, Luxury lists. However I doubt you'd have the time to do all that.
You forgot globe theatre but I assume it would be at T5. Also for comments saying he forgot Grand Temple, Ironworks, National College, Oxford etc. those are national wonders meaning EVERY civ can build it
Oxford is a national wonder, I don't know what you are on
I think T4 actually, a writer is more valuable than the other two, and GT comes earlier = a bit cheaper than all those other GWAM wonders.
Not sure if you mentioned anything about Venice in the introduction, but I find great merchant points to help me both early and late game. I also finds myself buying units through out the game which you. (As Venice)
Again, sorry if you mentioned anything about that. I also have to admit, I'm pretty new to the series of games and I mostly play against bots or 2-3 friends that are also new. Maybe Venice is an unusual pick for MP or belong in that box of "extreme circumstances" picks.
Found most of what you said extremely useful. It's good to know what wonders to stay away from :)
Great merchant, great engineer, and great scientists points share a pool. So if you are generating merchants you are delaying or preventing generation of your scientists. Be aware!
хорош ) понятно обьяснил и его игры приятно смотреть. жду чарт о природных чудесах!
I mostly play singleplayer, in which I find that Cristo Redentor and Great Firewall are incredibly strong, especially since I hate domination victories and go for one of the others usually.
Neuschwanstein "Noy-Schvan-Stein" (stein rhymes with shine)
New-shwan-styne. It's the castle that is the reference for Disney's logo. Disney has used it for a very long time, and it has become a pop-culture icon. I had no idea the Disney castle was modeled after a real German castle, until someone told me back in 2004 or so. Take a look at some google image scenic photographs. Looks straight out of a fantasy novel, which is probably why Disney appropriated it. If I can't say it in time, I just say "Disney Castle."
Hey FilthyRobot, what if this wonder was available at Chivalry instead?
What a wonderful video
you do get prophets with 5 charges starting in industrial era with mosque of Djenne. That is because in earlier eras they appear instead of being bought from that specific city
7 years later Im still watching these videos lol
I usually rush Great Engineers everywhere so I can rush all the wonders in 1 turn, even Angkor wat and sh*t
Or I play Babylon and rush Great Library if I feel like it.
I'm new to the game.
The prophets you buy in the city with great mosque have 5 charges but not the ones you generate.
A question, what ideology is used the most in your form of multiplayer? Facism, communism or democracy?
Il ike your videos so much, I have 1500+ hours on civ 5 but I play more rpg like and not for the pure effectiveness. But for MP with my friends I learn so much from you :)
Anyone else notice him call the red fort a "tier 3 civ".
When will you make a unique unit comparison?
will you do an updated wonder tier list for the current NQmod, there are quite a lot of different things
On most maps I try to build privateers and inronclads before researching combustion followed by combined arms and then wait till I got the Pentagon before upgrading them at half price (with Professional Army). That way I suddenly have a huge army/navy and can surprise the enemy.
Do you think you'll ever do natural wonders?
There aren't very many so it'd be a fairly short video, and would help players (like me) know what Wonders are worth making settles for, and which to ignore..and I'm more just curious on which Natural Wonders you consider the Best/Worst
Eric VinylScratch FilthyRobot
T1
Kilimanjaro
great barrier reef
fountain of youth
T2
Solomon
Victoria
uluru
kailash
T3
everything else
Awesome tutorial Robot!
One problem, when I click the link to your spreadsheet my system just opens MY Google drive and nothing seems to DL... Don't use Google drive much so maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Again thanks for the awesome tutorials, sure making a big difference in my games, even though I only play against the AI right now... :D
i'm having the same issue !!
Same here :o
"Please, dear God, do not pick a merchant..." -filthy
does this wonder list convert over to playing against the AI. thanks
and thank you for taking time to make videos.
Filthy, I had a thought about the great firewall. If someone beelines to paratroopers/xcom and is out teching you, couldn't the firewall be good in your capital? If a civ with paratroopers/xcom has a spy in your capital they get enough sight of the city from that spy to drop their units right next to your city as well as flank the units you may have sent from your capital to attack the other civ. Does great firewall prevent spies from establishing that sight on your city 99 percent of the time? Or is it only tech stealing that is reduced that much?
B- Hole It's only tech stealing, they still get sight.
+FilthyRobot Oh, okay. Thanks for the response
1:24:31 I've had some games where the 5 prophet charge thing happens and others where it doesn't so maybe it's just a bug?
migitinabakini I think a fan told me that it only happens if you purchase a prophet post-industrial.
Could you do a video that just shows off why Petra can be so powerful? I know it is something I shoot for if I have desert, but I didn't realise it was quite that strong
In a normal game, this seems like a good rating, but I found that if you start a game in the information era, especially aiming for a culture victory, many of the bad and awful wonders can become great wonders.
This is more for a singleplayer game as cultural victory is unviable in multiplayer, but I enjoy using Alhambra, Himeji Castle, Red Fort and Neuschwanstein in tandem with India. Alhambra and Himeji give free Mughal Forts, which give free tourism, as well as combat bonuses in case you're invaded or wish to take out a nearby enemy city to decrease their culture output. This, combined with Red Fort, which improves defence, and Neuschwanstein, which gives extra culture and gold for each of your Mughal Forts, gives you a great increase to tourism once combined with hotels and Alhambra's culture modifier.
Is Porcelain Tower still tier 3 after the update? i think the science per luxury is really strong.
Angkor Wat also with a free Univercity 1 tec before acquiring Uni tec?
Hey there! Thanks for the work you invest in your videos. Very informative. Can you please fix the link for the spreadsheet as it is not working? Thanks a lot.
Such a polite ask makes me happy. Link fixed!
Hi again. I am noticing the writers' guild wonder is not in the list. Where would that rank on the list, please?
This is absolutely great guide but the problem is; it s made for quick and small map game plays. But in the marathon and huge map games, too many rules change I guess, especially culture based wonders like pantheon, sistine chapel or castle wonder is became much more important. İt's because at this kind of games (huge, marathon) advantage coming from policies is increases because of the increase of turns. It s same for cn tower, cristo, hagia sophia, pyramids etc for the same reason. It s same for great engineer and the scientist too. In marathon, huge map game engineer relatively more effective than the scientists. Isn't civ 5 a magnificent game :D
I'm still not great at this game, but your videos have made me a lot less terrible!
An early great merchant isn't the end of the world - it can be used to get a long-term city-state ally. Use him in the city-state and use the money he generates to influence them, and they're yours for a long time. The bonus you get from a city-state ally can be significant early on. Look for a city-state that has the luxury your capital wants, and you'll get the "We Love the King" bonus too. If any city-states have quests for you to connect a luxury, you might even be able to arrange a chain reaction of influence boosts. One of these days I'm going to actually try for an early merchant and see what I can make of it.
Every merchant makes scientists and engineers more expensive. That's horrible
At the beginning there is Artemis, great library and hanging gardens... All amazing Which one/two to choose? I'm pretty sure I can't get all
Great Library would normally be your best bet , followed by TOA, then finally Hanging Gardens. Hanging Gardens isn't as good as it used to be in Vanilla, since internal trade routes are comparable
Hey, you haven't mentioned the 2 scientist points in Brandenburg Gate. If coupled with Porcelain Tower, you get a pretty great scientist generation. Of course it appears to be a good wonder for that, but the only problem is that it is not in the tech path of research labs and it comes a little bit late in the game...
I mean, no wonder gives more scientist points. But can you milk even one before the game ends?
After thinking for some five minutes... I think it is really not that important and it might be tricky to use even still... It might give you a little boost if coupled to other stuff, but that would be so many wasted hammers... Probably that is why you haven't mentioned.
Prora is tier 2 because it's situational as you need autocracy and you are usually going to go order
very very, very very good video
Is it due to your advanced UI that you can see coal, uranium etc. right at the start?
Can you please do a Tech Tree guide? Thanks for your videos!
I'm wondering, considering some of the T1 wonders are super early, how viable is it to just straight up ignore wonders until you have a substantial enough tech lead that you don 't have to worry about people competing with you? In my (very low skill) Civ games, I've noticed early games is a huge wonder competition, and I lack the game sense to notice when people are building wonders. Is it possible to just skip wonders, be it as Tradition/Liberty?
+DeathEatsCurry Yes it is. Wonders are quite strong, but sometimes standard infrastructure can be as strong or nearly as strong.
Regarding the Terracotta Army, considering any close opponent would be watching your capital, would building it for one turn in order to get the wonder on the map for the opponent to see be beneficial as he'd have to build up military units while you could focus on other tasks like building up your empire?
In other words: fooling your opponent into believing you intend to invade him.
What I like to do is build as many units and stockpile gold to get terracotta and get ~10 units.
OwnagePwnage123 Why do you need gold for terracotta army?
When the terracotta units roll out they all cost maintenance
He's probably going to build military units and when he checks the demographic screen and sees you have no army he might consider using those units against you, especially since you annoyed him into building military.
I'm surprised that you think of Brandenburg as being less important if you go Autocracy. I would think that the goal of an Autocracy strategy would be to build up as highly-promoted of an army as possible.
I've been trying to put together a really optimal strategy for the Zulu (they're a pet civ of mine, but I've never really been able to make them work the way I wanted them to), and I think Brandenburg is definitely part of that equation.
Best I can figure, Honor (particularly for the adjacent friendly unit bonus, which synergizes nicely with the Buffalo promotion chain's improved flanking bonuses, and for the increased battle experience policy, which synergizes nicely with the Zulu's reduced promotion experience requirements), Alhambra+Brandenburg+Heroic Epic+Military Academy+Armory+Ikanda in one city, with the religion belief that allows you to purchase pre-Industrial units with faith, and then start faith-buying and building Impi as soon as you get Brandenburg and the Military Academy done, give 'em the whole Buffalo chain and whatever you want for the extra one (I favor medic because of the fact that you're supposed to be fighting in formation with them anyways), getting the Impi promoted further through war, and of course continuing to upgrade these Impi, so that by the late game, you have a hyper-promoted infantry force that moves faster than normal infantry and can't be beaten when it fights in formation.
Brandenburg is 2 eras later than when Impis are available. Autocracy with +15exp tenet and military academies is 4 promotions on creation. If you add brandenburg, it's still 3 promotions on creation. Zulu is the only exception.
Game still lets you build Impis if you don't move too far ahead in the tech tree on their unit lineage, and I only talked about getting Impis that way as a means of getting the Buffalo promotion chain. You are the (far) more experienced and skilled player, though.
Grant Larson i think you need to get lancers before brandenburg so that kinda sucks
but zulus w/ academy, total war, brandenburg and alhambra can roll out units with march + blitz
Kristens Berzins Part of the problem is that I didn't realize at first that Filthy's a PvP player, and of course, human players are going to be smart enough to prioritize finishing weakened or heavily promoted units and getting favorable situations to engage them in.
I play mainly PvE.
Grant Larson i do too but i understand filthy's POV.
Play with the Zulus and get Brandenburger Gate, your units will get 4 promotions aswell :)
maybe a little help in pronouncing your castle wonder :P
neuschwanstein = Noy-shwan-shtain
both "a" may be pronounced as the a in "castle" for example
great videos btw ;)
Pyramids are very strong Wonder for any civs.
Borobudur makes sense only if you play through Religion.
Maybe it would be better to swap them between tiers.
If you somehow have a lot of production or a lot of engineers then you can make the great mosque THEN you build Borobudur so you now have three missionary that can spread for three times which equal to nine spread and latter missionary.
I never seem to get Notre Dame, always enter Medieval on Theocracy then push into Education, I always seem to get Physics as one of the last Medieval techs... Not counting the water tech lines that I tend to ignore until I am close to finishing renaissance if not mid-industrial for oil.