Landsknechte should have more armor, they are literally wearing it. At least some Melee armor. Also pls give the Order Mace+Twohand upgrade, we need giant golden Maces.
Or perhaps they gain bonuses upon kill? Like increasing levels of drip correlating to the number of buffs? I can’t say that I’m not being influenced by DemoKnight Eyelanders but given the use of Prelates feels like a naturalist inclusion
@simonkapadia7582 I agree camel archers being less food heavy to make them viable in feudal which is ironically their strongest age i.e .when you can't use them cause they are food heavy. In castle and imperial you can make better units (comp bow archer or handcannoneer) and they so I don't bother with them. I had this wind idea of keeping their stats the same and keeping the camel archer at 240 resources BUT make it 60 food and 180 wood. I really think that would shake things up a lot with abbasid. I don't think they should cost gold then it would be easier to macro for them.
the video needs to be renamed to "Unique Tier List That Pertains to Less Than 1% of the People That Play This Game." Had I known that my dreams of winning AOE 4 tournaments while using cataphracts would be shattered, I'd NOT have come here. I'm devastated! D e v a s t a t e d
btw, saying elephants are good makes me feel warm inside. always get told I'm memeing when I make them, but they really just crush everything, especially with full upgrades. the gunner elephants you just casually walk through the opponents base and they just pick off every farming villager.
all the abassid stuff being low just goes to show even more they gave all the new toys to ayyubid, and sort of just forgot about the original civ. abbasid should have more camels if anything, or at least another unique unit.
@simonkapadia7582 Yeah, its a shame that they're just so absurdly expensive and just get killed immediately by archers (they make decent MAA counters in feudal but longbows just delete them) but my gripe is more just how little abbasid gets compared to all the work they put into ayyubid. abbasid unique units camel archer ghulam camel rider ayyubid unique units desert raider tower of the sultan camel lancer dervish manjaniq atabeg bedouin skirmisher bedouin swordsman ghulam abbasid just feels amost like... default.
@@terence7009 you need to also consider the fact about both civs overall, Abbasids are OP in their long term while Ayyubids do their best only in short term.
ghulams as an abbis main as of recent; if you have them in castle you can do a good chunk of damage against other MAA and even non- micro’d cav in my experience. downside is they get shredded by hand gunners/janny’s and bombards
Gilded Landsknechts are S tier. They have higher hp, they have bleeding damage ability, they can take mangonel shots unlike HRE landsknechts, and nothing beats them when you have 30-40 of them. Of course massing them is extremely difficult.
Btw haven't finished yet but grenadiers are my single most despised Unit. In ffas they're absolutely disgusting. Somehow they seem to even wreck mangonels by just swarming them. Palace guards mixed with grendariers good luck even targeting the grenadiers.
There is a 0% chance youre serious about this. I hate Otto as much as the next guy, but jannies have always been considered to be mid at best due to their hyper specialization. Neft bombard and jannies are also nerfed
While I don't think Jans are quite at S+ level personally, there are two things to note about their hyper specialisation: 1. They specialise in dealing with cavalry which is exactly what a siege focussed civ like Otto wants since cav could counter siege or out maneuver the often slower Otto army. 2. Jans are so good at this particular job that even the French want to think twice before producing any cavalry against Otto's from castle age onward.
I think its crazy that there are still people out there who will defend ottomans and otto units as not being overpowered. All pros agree now, ottomans need nerfs.
you don't see rus horse archer that much cuz rus just plays feudal, the only time you see them is like you said if someone likes using them and just rushes castle to spawn them.
lol, finally yall agree janis are broken. I remember when ottoman first came out you guys were putting janis and GBBs in C or D tier saying the janis were worse riflemen, and GBB too slow. blew my mind. I was playing GBB jani sipahi wondering what drugs yall were on to think they were bad. glad to be vindicated.
but now ive moved on. GBB jani sipahi actually just gets hard countered by sushi's legacy splash bombard, choke a nuke, imperial guard. you get the same 11 range bombards for the opening of the fight that are faster moving and deploying than GBB to kite until the sipahi close in, at which point the range isnt needed and you swap to cavalry charge damage, and the imperial guard, chokes roll then down. janis cant cover the sipahi without being mowed down by bombard fire, sipahi do 2 damage to imperial guard while the imperial guard kill things so insanely fast by the time the GBB get in the fight you lose all your sipahi. if you keep your sipahi covering your GBB then china bombards kite at 11 range for infinity. if the GBB try to duel the china bombard, you can siege shoot and run before GBB siege up.
getting there can be difficult, but zuke nuke horseman beats out most comps, especially at mid conqueror. 150 wood horsemen that later allow you to produce imp guards faster while making economy ridiculously easy to manage is busted at that level. castle dynasty allows so much military so cheep, trade can be built at that time to push imp, where the choice becomes, depending on the civ and strategy the opponent is using, flame arrow chokes first, or imp guard first. generally you will want those 2 before pushing toward splashbards, as well as imp dynasty before splashbards, as the second building gives an insane 35% bonus damage on the imp guards. they beat out fully upgraded order of dragon knights quite readily even. best part is between each clash, all units heal up.
feudal and castle spears should be added in as needed, as well as castle age food eco should be so insane with triangle formation granary plus imperial officials on them that monk spam fills out the front line. 3 officials on the granaries, 1 on mining, 1 on wood, 1 taxing. so your food gets an average, with 30 workers on them, 27% bonus (18-20 with triple bonus, 10-12 with double) with the official 15% MORE over that, making the food gather 46% better than standard. so 30 workers gather like 44. and if you need more, there are still 10 slots with double bonus too if you for some strange reason need the extra food.
18-20 because 2 of the slots allow about 1/3 of the plots to be mined with triple bonus, and the workers during castle age only use 1/2 of the plot, so for 75% of the time they mine with triple bonus, 25% double.
After ottomans first came out they were kind of middle-meh, but they got so much buffs (especially to military schools speed production) that they quickly became one of the most overpowered civ in just two months. And sepahi always has been very strong.
Gotta like how he makes othmans like the best broken unstoppable absolute unit of a civ , even tho gets hard countered by 3 or 4 civs , get early harrassed u will regret ever playing this civ XDD
Why does the strength of the sipahi have anything to do with the strength of the janissary. Why the hell would the sipahi drop a tier if the janissary was nerfed? That literally makes no sense
Beasty pathologically overestimates Ottoman. In particular, Janissaries are S+ tier? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Janissary is just A tier. The Janissary is also defeated by the England villagers... Are you kidding me?
Lol gold players also think cataphracts suck and there's constant bitching about how they suck on reddit. I've seen mostly higher rank players defend them.
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12:34 - the best unique unit
Landsknechte should have more armor, they are literally wearing it.
At least some Melee armor.
Also pls give the Order Mace+Twohand upgrade, we need giant golden Maces.
Or perhaps they gain bonuses upon kill? Like increasing levels of drip correlating to the number of buffs?
I can’t say that I’m not being influenced by DemoKnight Eyelanders but given the use of Prelates feels like a naturalist inclusion
A perfect day starts and ends with *clap* *clap* “Gamers…”
You know what, that is very true
I love my main abyssid being D tier at everything
@simonkapadia7582 I agree camel archers being less food heavy to make them viable in feudal which is ironically their strongest age i.e .when you can't use them cause they are food heavy. In castle and imperial you can make better units (comp bow archer or handcannoneer) and they so I don't bother with them. I had this wind idea of keeping their stats the same and keeping the camel archer at 240 resources BUT make it 60 food and 180 wood. I really think that would shake things up a lot with abbasid. I don't think they should cost gold then it would be easier to macro for them.
same thought my friend
you aptly named it abyssid lol
as in abysmal.
the video needs to be renamed to "Unique Tier List That Pertains to Less Than 1% of the People That Play This Game." Had I known that my dreams of winning AOE 4 tournaments while using cataphracts would be shattered, I'd NOT have come here. I'm devastated! D e v a s t a t e d
btw, saying elephants are good makes me feel warm inside. always get told I'm memeing when I make them, but they really just crush everything, especially with full upgrades. the gunner elephants you just casually walk through the opponents base and they just pick off every farming villager.
ELEPHANTS FTW
28:06. Right as he mentions attacking from stealth, he checks behind him. 🤣
all the abassid stuff being low just goes to show even more they gave all the new toys to ayyubid, and sort of just forgot about the original civ. abbasid should have more camels if anything, or at least another unique unit.
@simonkapadia7582 Yeah, its a shame that they're just so absurdly expensive and just get killed immediately by archers (they make decent MAA counters in feudal but longbows just delete them) but my gripe is more just how little abbasid gets compared to all the work they put into ayyubid.
abbasid unique units
camel archer
ghulam
camel rider
ayyubid unique units
desert raider
tower of the sultan
camel lancer
dervish
manjaniq
atabeg
bedouin skirmisher
bedouin swordsman
ghulam
abbasid just feels amost like... default.
@@terence7009 you need to also consider the fact about both civs overall, Abbasids are OP in their long term while Ayyubids do their best only in short term.
where was the wynguard troops ? best mma of the game almost in terms of stat
Give rus archers a very expensive upgrade to make them like mangudai but it cost 1000 gold and food. They have mongol genes too
Ah, a tier list of what mercenaries I should hire as the Byzantines.
ghulams as an abbis main as of recent; if you have them in castle you can do a good chunk of damage against other MAA and even non- micro’d cav in my experience. downside is they get shredded by hand gunners/janny’s and bombards
playing a drinking game where you take a sip everytime he says 'Mangonel' xD
god bless you beasty i was searching this up last night and there were no updated lists. you are doing gods work
I luv how horse archer icon is they shoot backwards while running forward. If u micro very fast they do shoot like Mongudai.
Gilded Landsknechts are S tier. They have higher hp, they have bleeding damage ability, they can take mangonel shots unlike HRE landsknechts, and nothing beats them when you have 30-40 of them. Of course massing them is extremely difficult.
English wynguard rangers and footmen?
57:10 (D tier)
Btw haven't finished yet but grenadiers are my single most despised Unit. In ffas they're absolutely disgusting. Somehow they seem to even wreck mangonels by just swarming them.
Palace guards mixed with grendariers good luck even targeting the grenadiers.
I wish you’d have recapped at the end to name them all again quickly and which civs they were.
There is a 0% chance youre serious about this. I hate Otto as much as the next guy, but jannies have always been considered to be mid at best due to their hyper specialization. Neft bombard and jannies are also nerfed
While I don't think Jans are quite at S+ level personally, there are two things to note about their hyper specialisation:
1. They specialise in dealing with cavalry which is exactly what a siege focussed civ like Otto wants since cav could counter siege or out maneuver the often slower Otto army.
2. Jans are so good at this particular job that even the French want to think twice before producing any cavalry against Otto's from castle age onward.
I think its crazy that there are still people out there who will defend ottomans and otto units as not being overpowered. All pros agree now, ottomans need nerfs.
Are they planning on adding units to civs? Would be sick to have a knight unit with a flail for OoTD or something
Love ya Beasty
Aren't the warriors and archers in England's 4age palace worth mentioning?
you don't see rus horse archer that much cuz rus just plays feudal, the only time you see them is like you said if someone likes using them and just rushes castle to spawn them.
Would you have a longer explanation for why you do think mangudai are bad? They seem strong but I am gold tier
beasty i think we missed the "tower of the sultan" siege unit from ayyubid, imo its trash what do you think?
it's a big moving piece of wood which moves slowly and yet costs a lot. total waste, wish they would replace that for something else.
@@AaronOmar-co8bn its op with incendary arrows and if u garrison ghulams they are pretty fast
Wait, are Rus knights better than French now? I've played Rus since forever and they're always outperformed without my streltsy.
lol, finally yall agree janis are broken. I remember when ottoman first came out you guys were putting janis and GBBs in C or D tier saying the janis were worse riflemen, and GBB too slow. blew my mind. I was playing GBB jani sipahi wondering what drugs yall were on to think they were bad. glad to be vindicated.
but now ive moved on. GBB jani sipahi actually just gets hard countered by sushi's legacy splash bombard, choke a nuke, imperial guard. you get the same 11 range bombards for the opening of the fight that are faster moving and deploying than GBB to kite until the sipahi close in, at which point the range isnt needed and you swap to cavalry charge damage, and the imperial guard, chokes roll then down. janis cant cover the sipahi without being mowed down by bombard fire, sipahi do 2 damage to imperial guard while the imperial guard kill things so insanely fast by the time the GBB get in the fight you lose all your sipahi. if you keep your sipahi covering your GBB then china bombards kite at 11 range for infinity. if the GBB try to duel the china bombard, you can siege shoot and run before GBB siege up.
getting there can be difficult, but zuke nuke horseman beats out most comps, especially at mid conqueror. 150 wood horsemen that later allow you to produce imp guards faster while making economy ridiculously easy to manage is busted at that level. castle dynasty allows so much military so cheep, trade can be built at that time to push imp, where the choice becomes, depending on the civ and strategy the opponent is using, flame arrow chokes first, or imp guard first. generally you will want those 2 before pushing toward splashbards, as well as imp dynasty before splashbards, as the second building gives an insane 35% bonus damage on the imp guards. they beat out fully upgraded order of dragon knights quite readily even. best part is between each clash, all units heal up.
feudal and castle spears should be added in as needed, as well as castle age food eco should be so insane with triangle formation granary plus imperial officials on them that monk spam fills out the front line. 3 officials on the granaries, 1 on mining, 1 on wood, 1 taxing. so your food gets an average, with 30 workers on them, 27% bonus (18-20 with triple bonus, 10-12 with double) with the official 15% MORE over that, making the food gather 46% better than standard. so 30 workers gather like 44. and if you need more, there are still 10 slots with double bonus too if you for some strange reason need the extra food.
18-20 because 2 of the slots allow about 1/3 of the plots to be mined with triple bonus, and the workers during castle age only use 1/2 of the plot, so for 75% of the time they mine with triple bonus, 25% double.
After ottomans first came out they were kind of middle-meh, but they got so much buffs (especially to military schools speed production) that they quickly became one of the most overpowered civ in just two months.
And sepahi always has been very strong.
More HRE or OTD gameplay please :>
No not more HRE or OTD gameplay please :>
It's amusing beasty just forgot to put tower of sultan on the list. What a D- unit
Gotta like how he makes othmans like the best broken unstoppable absolute unit of a civ , even tho gets hard countered by 3 or 4 civs , get early harrassed u will regret ever playing this civ XDD
Are those ootd landsharks? Or hre?
i usually just have a few camels on the mix for the armor perk
The content I need !!!
cataphracts having no charge is age of empires trying to implement fantasy elements into the game
Did he miss mehcters( the ottoman buff unit I can’t spell) or did I miss it somewhere in the video?
GAMERS
Beasty: I know this might come as a suprise but I think elephants are actually quite good
*proceeds to put meleephant in B tier 😂😂😂
i think i prefer gunners over streltsy i think gunners are faster?
Best way to Deal vs Limitanei is MAA or Samurai
Why does the strength of the sipahi have anything to do with the strength of the janissary. Why the hell would the sipahi drop a tier if the janissary was nerfed? That literally makes no sense
We all know where daddy cannon belongs from the start
Did I miss the Ghulam or is it not a special unit?
Look at b tier
@@Bingusman ah thanks
the main problem with shinobi is their animations are broken
what can ottoman do vs donzo/jav thrower?
maa, mangonels, great bombard
Shinobi needs a speed buff same as the onni bugasha
Are Jannissaries really that strong?
you just cant make cav unit LoL not even think about it when they get on the field
@@cyrano-5539 But they get recieve more ranged damage.You can shoot them with long ranged units like archers.Also they has only 105hp max.
@@furkanindere3848 great bombard clean archer in like one or two shot
@@furkanindere3848 and sipahi eat archer
@@cyrano-5539 Ty.I think this is why everybody saying Otto is powerful.
Beasty pathologically overestimates Ottoman. In particular, Janissaries are S+ tier?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Janissary is just A tier.
The Janissary is also defeated by the England villagers...
Are you kidding me?
beasty on anti ottoman spree
He hates ottoman lol
@@jamescuyno7921 Yes and they got nerfed to shit now. Coincidence?
Where's the charge micro video?
where mah manjaniq and tower of the sultan at ?
Sipahi is crazyyyy,
buff jav production time in fuedal for mali
give back glory for Abbasid and HRE please
Not strElci, but strelcI
Where mehter in s+???
"Hi, gamers"
I ma be so mad if janessaries gets nerfed
We need an update
Chinese Palace Guards?
Less advertisements, thanks
What about JD?
Literally ottoman have the best units but get so much hate
150 cataphracts against 50 vills 😂😂😂
What aboud bedouin units
ootd horseman is just like thier knight model with worse stats they are clunky af
Lol gold players also think cataphracts suck and there's constant bitching about how they suck on reddit. I've seen mostly higher rank players defend them.
what about Ayyubids Bedouin whatevers?
finally
sup
So ottomans lol who didn’t know lol
katafrakt od D tier lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣bruh thats S tier max