My first thought was rebels. It would be circumstantial but awesome and I think that's its real purpose. I'd guess the prophet is expanded in the process.
+TofuChris agreed 100%. i'm not a hardcore civ player by any means, but I love the game. My gameplay went from king to immortal in a pretty short time thanks completely to his guides and advice and basically epic knowledge haha.
A year from when this was posted and I've just learned so much, from this and all of his vids/guides. It's completely changed the way I view this game now, I was a real idiot when i think back to how I used to play before.
Watching these guides is very helpful but it also kind of ruins the game for me because it reduces everything to pure numbers and strips away all the flavor and charm of the game. When you watch these guides it makes it seem like the entire game is won or lost based on where you put your first city and what civ you have. Fully 60-70 percent of the options in the game are complete trash according to him. Civs, units, religions, techs, buildings etc you should never ever use, really reduces the game to a spreadsheet where only the stuff at the top matters and everything else is to be ignored. I know these guides are meant for highly competitive multiplayer matches on very specific settings and you could probably get away with almost anything against the computer players on easy but it is impossible to ignore once you've learned it lol
On Monument of the Gods; it's pretty much just there for Egypt to take. I can't imagine taking that Pantheon unless you are Egypt. But if you have the Aristocracy social policy, some Marble, playing Egypt, and taking this Pantheon; it is not a bad pick. And you are going to go for Stonehenge; that is pretty much a given.
@@diekwmdhdks6942 So... the argument is, Monument to the Gods is only useful if you stack its +15% Prod with Egypt's base +20%? Isn't that kind of extreme? I'm not saying it IS good, but...
@@Tatherwood Combine that with Aristocracy + 15% and maybe +15% from marble and you're gonna have 65% on wonders. You'll be able to get many of the great Antiquity & Classic wonders that absolutely kill it. Have done it and seen it done, this is great
@@doncorleole2356 Sure, I see why that's awesome. Still, the question was: "Are you saying Monument of the Gods ONLY helps if you're Egypt?". Which is what it seemed to say, and feels stupid to me.
Holy fuck, this game is HUGE! It's kind of overwhelming. Just got it on steam and watching your videos I realize how many mechanics I'll have to learn.
Can someone please mod the Heathen Conversion to where when you convert the barbarians with the missionaries it makes the wololo sound from Age of Empires?
I basically only play single-player civ and occasionally multiplayer with some friends but finding these guides feels like I walked into a ruin in the Modern era and discovered plastics. Just heaps of info and he's cleared up a lot of my questions re: timing and things like the percentage boosts to growth from plowshares/fertility rites!
Finally, I've waited so long for this religion guide! Thanks so much to the subs who made this happen and of course Filthy. I hope there's more guides in the future.
You could get heathen conversion and make sure your empire is always at 10 unhappiness and get your empire to spawn modern units and then convert them.
In the perfect sacred sites game I'd, A) only Byzantium, and B) need a faith-based pantheon. If you buy out three of the faith buildings (using your bonus) it's a -possible- for a renaissance win. (well, by the time your tourism catches up at least). It does suffer from the same investment problems of the Piety tree, but it is very quick IF you get it rolling. Of course everyone is sure to catch on as you close in on it.
+Anna Alu If you dont' play in a competitive scenario, where this kinda of route victory is actually viable, It's most likely that you can do a better sacred sites game with, Celts, Maya or Etiopia than Bizantyum, just because it's to hard to use their extra belief bonus. At least was what happened to me, I love cultural/religious foucused games and I tried this sacred sites victory, but I wasn't able to do with Bizantyum (because of the weak early faith generation), on the other hand with the celts was a easy win.
I still play Civ 5 cuz I don't have money for Civ 6. I liked hearing your guide :D I know for sure didn't sponge in everything you said, but I certainly know more than when I started your video at the beginning ;)
I once made use of Interfaith Dialogue. I was playing as Indonesia and had two neighbours that found religions. My cities were converted by the time candi arrived and were suffering a lot of religios pressure from 2 religions. That made my faith generation very good, and i was able to constantly spam missionaries and use them on my own cities, gaining science consistently. That made me catch up in science quite quickly and make a successfull artillery push.
I used to play Dota 2 for a while (like 2k hours) and used to watch a dota2 youtuber/streamer to expand my knowledge of the game from an experience player POV and you make me think of him for Civ 5. Just got into the game and your videos are very helpful to learn the game mecanics faster
These guides are the reason why I love playing against AI on Prince. I'm not a good player, I only won a diplomatic victory on Immortal with Saudi Arabia, so I don't like doing extreme strategies, but I like seeing what's good, what's not good, and playing around with the not good strategies to do an uncommon victory, just because I feel like doing weird stuff. I'm not going to play the meta (such as... Timing research discoveries with ruins, selling buildings before razing or before my city is taken,, AI exploiting, etc.), I'm going to be a god on a lower difficulty with shitty strategies (Honor strat, farm barbarians (with specific mods), or Piety start, never go down liberty).
These strategies are heavily biased in favour of multiplayer. In the singleplayer environment your win conditions are very different since war is much less common, but against AI on prince you can win with almost any strategy anyway if you're playing competently, so it's kind of a moot point.
@@cedarsapling I can't remember and don't understand what my point was tbh, but you're right. I guess I chalked up playing competently with playing using meta-strategies, but it's probably more that you can use non-meta strats and still play efficiently within that strat, as long as it's an effective enough strat within your difficulty area.
@@vlaceomuadlai2592 prince / king / emperor are fun to explore new strategies. with immortal you can still pick an interesting strategy but it's very difficult and i have had to reload many saves to go back and change an important decision (e.g. deciding whether to pursue a wonder when an AI will beat me to it midway) to not fall behind. deity you pretty much are forced to stick to tradition, 4 core cities, science game until you catch up in tech and then maybe try to capture capitals or go for science victory. unless you start with a specific civ with a very specific goal (e.g. with huns and going for early domination could be possible even on deity due to the battering rams)
Thanks Filthy! I love your tier lists and mechanics guides. Will have this on for the next couple of days while I'm preparing meals and such. Great stuff!
you forgot to mention that u can combine stone circles with stone works and mausoleum of halicarnassus, which gives you pretty sweet tiles around turn 50. And if there is a marble, it gets much easier to go for it, since it provides both luxury happiness and wonder production boost for mausoleum.
Your guides have completed changed my CIV group. They are tremendous and before I shared these videos with them, I was able to play at such unfair advantage. Thank you filthy
I trolled a few public lobby games yesterday and went Piety with Maya, and took Heathen Conversion with Raging Barbs. It was suprisingly OP. I gained 3 or 4 units in the same turn several times simply by moving my missionary adjacent to the barbs (you don't have to actually convert them.) It may or may not be "optimal" but it was a fun change from the typical tradition/liberty play, and put a lot of pressure on some noobs.
When i heard it is garbage my first thought was what's a heresy. It is absolutoryjna top! Especially with higher faith civ - spalin celts indonesia Arabia and so on. With piety discount units are crazy cheap and can be built in one turn saving cash or hammers for building. Imagine for example buying for faith crazy cheap chariots one turn before chivalry and immediate upgrade then to camels using saved cash. Crazy cheap warriors to mohawks. Pikes into winged hussars. Buying pictish warriors with faith repays crazy quickly. Also denying it to AIs is strong
Yeah, when he said that I was just having flashbacks to when I pulled a total joke strat on someone where I opened piety since I saw Uluru and had ridiculous desert faith. I did a well timed chariot rush with holy warriors and just murdered everyone.
God of craftsmen is actually picked these days, particularly for early wars. Expands grow to pop 3 fairly quickly. God of the sea can be strong with some coastal starts, even if it comes online late.
You want to start Lib and go down to the settlers, then go down piety. I grab the bonus faith from shrines and temples and the reduced pagodas and mosques then I go back and finish liberty. I usually finish Piety after that
Damn this dude puts so much time into his videos and just makes hours of pure useful info at a time. Ngl though, that multiplayer commitment is crazy, I'm not strong enough to do that because I can't live without messages like "Belgrade wants a femboy bf".
I got that very particular spawn with 3 tons of wine and incense around my cap, completely landlock in a corner of the map (my first expension blocked the only path and I could keep like 25% of the map for myself, a monstrous chunk indeed), I was playing as ethiopia also, I tried the Goddess of festivals pantheon, the boost was fine. I think it was one of those rare case where it could be useful
Faith Healers is actually one of my personal favorite pantheons, either for warmongers or for those surrounded by them. +30 healing means you actually heal for 50 every turn, without medic, which means units will last far longer unless the enemy can kill them in one round. It lets your units go back to barb-hunting quicker in the early game, it makes units planted in nearby forts or citadels virtually unkillable, and it lets you be relentless in conquests since you can convert conquered cities and then heal up your units in just a turn or two. March makes this pantheon even stronger, giving the same healing regardless of movement or attacking. Mounted units on roads can hit faraway enemies and then cluster around cities to heal up and do it all over again, and air units can heal up faster for a more relentless assault on the enemy. If your religion game is strong enough to convert your neighbors via early pressure, or if you bring an aggressive prophet with the army, Faith Healers combined with Just War can make for an unstoppable invasion force as you now gain bonus strength while attacking, a stronger defense, and a maximum of 2 turns to fully heal even the most badly wounded units. A prophet may actually be the superior option here as you can defeat the enemy army in front of the city, THEN convert, so the defenders don't use this pantheon against you. Or, if you're surrounded by warmongers and want a small but efficient army so you can focus on culture/science/etc, Defender of the Faith with Faith Healers will let your minimal defense force hold much harder advances with minimal casualties. But, this pantheon doesn't provide extra hammers, gold, food, science, culture, or faith, so obviously there is an opportunity cost, and you'll probably be in a better spot if you don't need it. But when you need it ... nothing else provides the same kind of bonus. But, I don't play multiplayer. AI opponents don't calculate for this pantheon to bring enough ranged units to one-turn-kill every unit they attack and can't shoot horse units while they're dashing in and out; players who have these abilities would negate a lot of the benefits. And although your opponents can't do much to stop you using this pantheon in air battles, the fact that they can use it against you may negate the entire thing.
If you are building wide and playing a faith based game, I can see a lot of use out of Ancestor Worship. If you open with Piety then go into Liberty, your cities can build a shrine faster than a monument, and can already produce 2 culture on their own with a shrine. One from liberty and one from ancestor worship.
Dance of the aurora is actually meh, not that bad though but it was at one point useful in my game. You have to deforest the tundra tiles to get faith from them, and deforesting does give between 15-12 hammers towards the city the worker is from. And sometimes due to bad RNG and luck, you'll spawn in an area 40% tundra, and unless you're willing to scout for 3-5 turns more before settling your capital, you're either left with settling now next to 40-60% tundra, 20-10% snow, 20-10% plains/hills grassland, or losing initiative for a much better capital location with higher grasslands/hills and maybe river/mountain. So in one of my games I decided to just settle in an apparent bad spot, as a liberty player, and made use of dance of the aurora to be ahead in faith with other players whilst they're busy IMO from my scouts doing the wrong things to get ahead. As meh as dance of the aurora is, that gave me that tiny edge to be second place in the rankings.
One I perfer to use in raging barbarians is convert heathens just kept a couple of camps near my city and kept missionarys near the border and converted any barbs who attacked then I kept a near constant flow of barbs in his city and when the barbs got to later tech is pretty much gave me an army
Kind of ironic that you talk about not working plantations when you have chocolate resources, which are pretty good tiles with a plantation. Citrus plantations are good too. Not particularly great, but decent enough. Also, some perspective on excess food bonuses: Aqueducts are great, they give what amounts to 40% of excess food, it just gives it retroactively when you grow. Taking both religious food bonuses is barely more than half of an aqueduct. Finally, you can actually get great prophets with 5 spread religion charges, if you have the Great Mosque of Djenne, and buy prophets in the city (not get free prophets appearing from wonders or social policy, or automatically generating them before the industrial era), it will have 5 charges, and you can use one and then enhance, or use one and then plant.
I have definitely done it. Starting in the industrial era, when you go into the city and purchase the prophet, it gets 5. Next time I do it I can grab a screenshot. It just doesn't apply to prophets that auto generate, or the one you get at the end of piety, or if you get one from leaning tower.
Can confirm, you need to purchase it to get 5 uses. IGE'd it myself. But plantations suck, you are likely not to have cocoa or you have one or two of them epirewide.
Starcraft, Warcraft III, Eve Online, Graduate School. You know, the fun titles! Experience and interest go a long way toward figuring stuff out, glad you're enjoying the content!
Nicely formatted excel sheet... Minimal formatting, maximal effect :) . (I also noticed that you merged cells at the top to span the length of the tables on the left, but not the one on the right, so I know the approx order you added the tables lol).
Hey Filthy! Firstly, I've been lurking for a long time without speaking up, so here it goes: thank you so much for putting up your videos, I am a very casual player due to time issues but when I actually do get time to play I want to play at the highest level I can, and you've helped me grow a lot as a player, you've also helped me appreciate the game a great deal in all its complexities. Thanks! Secondly, I came here after I watched your recent Spain game where you had three natural wonders and warred 3-5 five players at any one point. Awesome! However, you did go holy warriors in that game. Can you explain this decision a bit for me? Was that because of very specific circumstances or was the tenet(or belief?) changed in the NQ Mod recently?
+Tobias Sjöqvist The former. I had a TON of faith income in a game that wasn't likely to go past Crossbows where I was likely going to be fighting 1 v many.
Heathen conversion might actually be kinda useful to negate rebels in an unhappy civ. War and spread to the detriment of your happiness, tank the unhappiness penalties, and then keep missionaries in all your cities for free units every so often. It's like having a military city-state ally on steroids
I’m in the renaissance era. My religion is dominant, and I am trying to capture Egypt’s capital. They founded a religion and picked the goddess of protection pantheon. And it completely stopped my advance. I had to use a great general and star fortress next to their capital. Then I used a great prophet on top of their capital to convert their religion back to mine. Just so I don’t have to deal with the goddess of protection pantheon. PS it’s 30% increase City attack range combat strength. The city and Range unit was able to one turn kill my trebuchet.
TLDW: more than half of the belief thingies you can add on to your religion or pantheon are basically useless (tithe is the best) so don't pick anything that is situational save up faith to purchase great people so you can spam great scientists or engineers pagodas are the best religious faith-purchase only building (each one gives 2 happiness, 2 cult and 2 faith) buying regular units with faith is super expensive don't do it don't use prophets to spread religion, just use missionaries on faithless (no followers) cities or let it spread passively if you have a city which you essentially dominate (most followers/pressure) then new citizens born will be turned into your religion (i.e if a city has 3 followers and 5 total pop, when it grows to 6 pop you will gain a 4th follower automatically, 6-7 pop would be 5-6 followers, etc) if you can spread missionaries in early game then you get a huge leg up as each city with mostly your followers will just provide more pressure and eventually snowball passively without more help (there is two enhancer beliefs that help this, one that increases the pressure distance by 30% and the other increases pressure by 25% (50% with printing press) pressure from trade routes only happens if the base city (where the trader starts the route) isn't pressuring the city passively already so do it on far away ones holy sites provide a bonus pressure for like 10 tiles around so place them on border cities if you can safely get your prophet over there holy cities (cities with holy site) can't be razed unless there are no followers of said religion, then you can raze it. general protip: sell buildings while city is being razed since you wont get them back anyways capturing other peoples prophets counts for city state quests, and if they still have their 4 religion spread charges, can be used to found a holy site. desert folklore (pantheon) gives a hammer per desert tile, and would be a KILLER combo with a petra city (if it actually had a bunch of desert tiles) *IF YOU ARE PLAYING A MULTIPLAYER GAME, PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE TO FOUND A RELIGION/PANTHEON ON THE SAME TURN. IF THEY PICK BELIEFS BEFRE YOU, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THEM, SO IN A MULTPLAYER GAME, BE QUICK WITH YOUR CHOICES, OR SOME OF YOUR BELIEFS WILL BE TAKEN.*
I think FR confused you with his incorrect usage of 'Holy Site' when he meant 'Holy City'. A Holy City is not a city with a Holy Site; it's the city where a religion was founded. As for "holy sites provide a bonus pressure for like 10 tiles around", I don't know where you got that from. Didn't hear such a thing in the video.
Just for the lols, I would like to see someone take missionary conversion when they are being crushed by ideology happiness. Barbs start popping up in your empire, modern barbarians, and you convert them...
I played a game on Archipelago once where i was Germany and the person next to me was Indonesia. the guy on Indonesia spammed cities extremely hard because he got the happiness from settling on other islands. he also had tonnes of faith so he decided to get sacred sites(tourism from faith buildings) and by the medieval he was influential with everyone in the game except for Brazil(obviously) despite the fact everyone was attacking him. we never finished that game (someone left and didn't come back) but he was going to be influential with Brazil in about 10 turns so we accepted he won. i think you should try a game using this strategy, id be interested to see how fast you can win with culture victory if Brazil wasn't in the game or if you played as Brazil. P.S there was basically no iron on the map which meant no frigates so that probably helped him although if you can win before people get to frigates that might help
Youre guide's are good Filthy, loved youre liberty guide. Regarding messengers of the gods, while Cartage is an obvious civ for people to make use of this, for me it's my preffered pantheon for Maya. Maya already has a shrine giving +2 science, and i find that takign messenger of the gods with it and building a liberty Maya allows to create quite the early tech lead i a good game. Say Maya settles 6 city's and builds it's shrine + roads to those city's, it's going to have 12 + 12= 24 extra science early on. Personally i thing it's a good idea to stack bonusses to a civ, science is a bonus for Maya and toghether with messenger of the gods that can be a really significant advantage. This is compounded by the consideration that Maya needs to get to theology asap, and that providing it has liberty and got to theology that it can spawn 2 great scientists for academy's soon, thus allowing it to consolidate a tech lead. I tried this strategy on SP immortal and it's very powerfull in that the tech lead made can be quite overwhelming, the more so if you can sneak in NC soonish and maintain a well growing cap.
Thanks for explaining the pressure mechanics, it's pretty unintuitive and unlike most mechanics the game doesn't explain it. Like I knew Missionaries were bad at flipping cities but never understood precisely why. Does the 100 pressure part stay consistent through game speeds?
I believe the 100 pressure per citizen stays the same regardless of game speed. I think what changes is the base pressure of religious cities, but don't hold me to that since I only ever play on quick!
Hey Filthy. Would you mind doing a list of the pros and cons of all religions and ranking them to which is best like you did for the wonders? The wonders list is very handy indeed! Thanks again and keep up the good work!
2019 and i'm only now getting to play Civ V. Great content by the way. Thumbs up. Just a quick question: I'm having issues with the game, everything is small, all my game icons are small. I have to sit really close to the screen to be able to read and see what the icons are. Anyone else experience the same?
I don't know I find the food from temples and shrines particularly helpful with growing cities quickly especially if you have shitty food terrain, but I guess I don't understand something about this.
I don't think it is ironic. A lot of astronomical and other discoveries were made by religious men. Religion itself doesn't stop innovation and science until its followers start interpreting knowledge as a threat to its beliefs. So, for example, a lot of Islamic scholars contributed in great amounts in the fields of astronomy, algebra (initially created for Islamic inheritance laws), geography, spherical geometry, spherical trigonometry (done in order to find the direction of Qibla, the Islamic calendar, and the time of prayer). These innovations were, indeed, contributed by religion. Now, I am not saying that religion ALONE can contribute to science. I'm sure someone else would have found these ideas if it wasn't for Islamic scholars. However, I am merely pointing out that religion and science aren't that far apart as Dawkins and Harris make it to be. Scientific revolution in Islam fell only when a scholar started fearing the pursuit of knowledge as challenging his faith, rather than understanding God's world. Is there a God? I don't know. Probably not. However, the psychological effects (at least the positive ones) have contributed a lot of good to the world. Religion is just a religion. Its feasibility in the modern world, and its "goodness" is all dependent on how its followers act. You can have followers who act barbarically in the name of religion, in that case people are quick to blame the religion rather than the followers. However, they also don't recognize that ANY ideology brings militancy. Look at Stalin. He gave up his Georgian Orthodoxy and became an atheist, and executed a lot of Christians (not to mention harassment, torture, imprisonment etc) for the purposes of establishing communist ideology (they were afraid that the church would challenge their State ideologically). It is easy, and quite fashionable to bash religious people nowadays. I am not religious particularly, I am just exploring different ones, however I am appalled by the stupidity of fellow atheists when they bring up trivial points. They already dislike religion and then engage in confirmation bias to find instances when it was harmful while ignoring all other effects. The same goes for religious people. They ignore all the good brought upon by atheists and science and only point at Stalin. At its core, religion makes you feel better. It does so by assuring people that someone cares and provides them community of like-minded people. That's all. There is nothing more or less.
I rarely play competitively, But when I do, it's usually with friends that I know. Thus I often tend to mess around with the religion a fair bit. Religions such as 'Pornography' and 'Twitter' would come about, leading to many, many jokes. Such as Pornography having Fertility Rites, or Twitter having Liturgical Drama and Religious Texts At one point I decided I would pump production out of my cities using the religion, so I actually took Monument to the Gods, then later Religious Community. Combined with the Marble I had nearby, somehow my capital could suddenly build Classical wonders in around 4 turns. I named the religion 'Egypt'.
you forgot one significant factor for spreading your religion if the opportunity arises ( though i guess i play single player mostly atm): World congress world religion pushes. had several cases where i could shove world religion: mine down everyone's throats by spreading my religion to ai's with enough votes to get it to pass even though they did get Pagodas and religious community but mehh even with the 15% bonus i gave them i still outclassed them in production anyways plus Washington in one of my games was actually harrassing my most direct neighbour thus i actually gained a hidden benefit from giving him more hammers because he was basically hampering Shaka who was planning to attack me be4 Washington began harrassing him ^_^ still very good guide on how to use religion :) and it seems we think the same about pretty much all the Tenets and pantheons :D
god of craftsmen seems like an early game liberty verson of religious community except it's a pantheon you get +1 hammer from Republic and also +1 from this can be very big
Dance of aurora can be an amazing faith pantheon, depends on your land. When your starting spot is in tundra with a lot of deers. It happened to me once and i got the first religion. So...
You said it several times that your guide is for 6 player everyone vs everyone games, but World church is awesome in big team games where your teammates get your religion too
Worth adding that tundra sheep are also a thing, so if you get one/multiples(!) of those you could probably try to make something work. ofc still quite weak overall though I also heard that faith healers apply for planes which is a funny joke use at least
Thanks again, FB, You've warned me off from the high-speed click-fest reflex game that is No Quitters free-for -ll, but I can still enjoy our little LAN games at the maker space. I am left wondering how I find out about other players' religions. There's so much of the interface I have yet to learn. I had been playing for about 6 months, always trying to maximize culture nd tourism. I had read in Zigzagigal's guides about the theming bonuses reached through trading works of art, but I didn't discover the trading interface until a few weeks ago. There's just so much depth to this game, and I'm actually "on the short bus" for a variety of reasons, all from the neck up. So maybe I'm in too small of a minority of people who even need a walk-trhough of the interface, to find it all. I do have some local players who will help, and some of them are also somewhat autistic, and are thus more understanding. Anyway, I've been enjoying watching and listening to your guides. You are very thorough on what you do cover. Thanks, again.
Find out everything about rivals' religions by clicking the faith counter in the top bar, then going to the 3rd tab, which is a table of all beliefs chosen so far; click the furthest-right heading to group them up _by_ religion for easy viewing.
23:00 you’re talking about that it instantly gives you a bonus without having to improve the tile but most games the tiles are already improved before I get a pantheon
hi. great guide. Question: is it always worth to get religion? eg. if you are 3rd/4th on religion and good things are already taken. is it worth to start your own religion or better plant the prophet?
In some games "To the glory of god" even better than finishing racionalism. When you bought great person for faith price of next same type great person going higher. I dont remeber exact amount but i think for finishing racionalism max prise is 2700 or 2900 faith and for the "glory of god" max price for great person is 1700 faith. If your faith income high enough and game goes long enough it could be much better. p.s awesome guides. I got same opinion about almost everything in civ5 but in each guide Iam able to find something new for me. ty for this small details of mechanic and very good advices.
+TheInfectedRed The cost of faith purchased great scientists are identical using glory to god or rationalism as the purchasing enabler. Furthermore, having both gives no discount -- the cost is only based on the number you've purchased already.
I think if you combine the Monasteries with Goddess of Festivals that could be something. A lot of these you are supposed to use in combo with other things. By themselves they are pretty weak.
Great video thanks. I've never planted Great Prophets, or used Missionaries. Now I will(missionaries if it's beneficial to me). I have a question though. I'm assuming you use the first 2 Great Prophets on Founder and Follower beliefs. Would you then save to get a third to plant, or would you spend on Pagodas(for example), then get a Great Prophet to plant? Or maybe this is also situational, and depends whether you need the happiness or not? Maybe getting 3 Pagodas for example, would still get you a Third Great Prophet nearly as quick, and you get the Pagodas thrown in? I've been playing on Epic for a while, so the figures in your spreadsheet are quite a bit different to what I get.
Once upon a time (with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many hours spent on this game) I was spain, settled a city next to the Fountain of Youth, and figured I would get faith healers to give myself immortal stealth bombers. Additionally I was near the "center" of the map, so I could hit almost any city with my stealth bombers. The point I'm trying to make here is not that I had this great game, it is that most beliefs CAN be useful, sometimes the circumstances are unusual.
Still seems like you better could have gone for one with nature. The bonus from that is doubled for Spain so you get 8 extra faith from natural wonders. Besides with air repair and fountain of youth bonus your stealth bombers would've been immortal anyways. And you need to not do anything with your unit for the faith healer bonus which when you're at war you don't want to be doing. Edit: ok i found out that you can't work the fountain of youth so one with nature still would've been useless there, but i stand by my point that faith healers is still useless even in that situation
PureLSD if you are spain one with nature gives an additional 4 faith from any natural wonder tile, for a total of 8. if you are not spain and have one with nature and have both great barrier reef tiles in your borders, worked they give a total of 8 fpt, but if you are spain they give 8 each for a total of 16 sorry im super high rn so my comment might not make sense sorry
The concept of an info era rush with 45 barbarian brutes has me in stitches.
I think the idea behind that belief is that it allows missionaries to travel through barbarian-infested waters safely.
Still useless.
A couple of promotions would make them viable! Sort of... maybe... not so much...
You all forgot the one barb archer. Tsk Tsk Tsk
My first thought was rebels. It would be circumstantial but awesome and I think that's its real purpose. I'd guess the prophet is expanded in the process.
That implies you're empire is really unhappy though, which in itself is already a terrible situation.
Filthy is so under watched. His guides are so good and he's so knowledgeable.
+TofuChris I, for one, agree entirely!
+TofuChris
Yeah, he gives alot of good advise ^^
+TofuChris agreed 100%. i'm not a hardcore civ player by any means, but I love the game. My gameplay went from king to immortal in a pretty short time thanks completely to his guides and advice and basically epic knowledge haha.
A year from when this was posted and I've just learned so much, from this and all of his vids/guides. It's completely changed the way I view this game now, I was a real idiot when i think back to how I used to play before.
Watching these guides is very helpful but it also kind of ruins the game for me because it reduces everything to pure numbers and strips away all the flavor and charm of the game. When you watch these guides it makes it seem like the entire game is won or lost based on where you put your first city and what civ you have. Fully 60-70 percent of the options in the game are complete trash according to him. Civs, units, religions, techs, buildings etc you should never ever use, really reduces the game to a spreadsheet where only the stuff at the top matters and everything else is to be ignored. I know these guides are meant for highly competitive multiplayer matches on very specific settings and you could probably get away with almost anything against the computer players on easy but it is impossible to ignore once you've learned it lol
Pantheons: 6:36
Founder Beliefs: 24:45
Follower Beliefs: 31:07
Enhancer Beliefs: 42:06
Reformation Beliefs: 48:37
ur the bomb
i still dont know what pantheon to pick
@@yigit6047 the right one
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@@yigit6047 Sun Good for the food, or deserts tiles for faith.
I insta-subbed when you said "...infected by your religion"
Which is why we rename our religion H1N1.
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On Monument of the Gods; it's pretty much just there for Egypt to take. I can't imagine taking that Pantheon unless you are Egypt. But if you have the Aristocracy social policy, some Marble, playing Egypt, and taking this Pantheon; it is not a bad pick. And you are going to go for Stonehenge; that is pretty much a given.
Care to elaborate on why Egypt? Noob here.
Tatherwood Egypt’s Unique Ability grants +20% production when building wonders
@@diekwmdhdks6942 So... the argument is, Monument to the Gods is only useful if you stack its +15% Prod with Egypt's base +20%?
Isn't that kind of extreme? I'm not saying it IS good, but...
@@Tatherwood Combine that with Aristocracy + 15% and maybe +15% from marble and you're gonna have 65% on wonders. You'll be able to get many of the great Antiquity & Classic wonders that absolutely kill it. Have done it and seen it done, this is great
@@doncorleole2356 Sure, I see why that's awesome. Still, the question was: "Are you saying Monument of the Gods ONLY helps if you're Egypt?". Which is what it seemed to say, and feels stupid to me.
Holy fuck, this game is HUGE! It's kind of overwhelming. Just got it on steam and watching your videos I realize how many mechanics I'll have to learn.
Awesome guide. I've only been playing Civ 5 for less than a week, and found this really helpful! Thank you!
+KrayzFatman Glad to hear!
Can someone please mod the Heathen Conversion to where when you convert the barbarians with the missionaries it makes the wololo sound from Age of Empires?
Tesla Fan 97 what 😂😂😂
No one made a circumcision joke when you said that you "want your bananas uncut"? In over one and a half years? Damn.
I basically only play single-player civ and occasionally multiplayer with some friends but finding these guides feels like I walked into a ruin in the Modern era and discovered plastics. Just heaps of info and he's cleared up a lot of my questions re: timing and things like the percentage boosts to growth from plowshares/fertility rites!
this game is like crack
I can't live without it
+andeace23 True, I thought this game was boring, now that I buyed it, its so addicting
+andeace23 Unlike crack, Civ5 won't kill you.... at least not directly :3
+luciano wendling I lost 3 kg in 2 day forgetting to sleep and eat :D
ck2 is just as bad if not worse
Finally, I've waited so long for this religion guide! Thanks so much to the subs who made this happen and of course Filthy. I hope there's more guides in the future.
I just love civ 4&5. Both are so great and yet so different. It's just amazing
You could get heathen conversion and make sure your empire is always at 10 unhappiness and get your empire to spawn modern units and then convert them.
Being at 10 unhappiness for a chance for decent units is trash
@@cyberzangoose16 it's an interesting strategy XD
Just a thought, you may want to add the overlay thing to say that One with Nature is doubled for Spain
Awesome guide, Filthy. Thank you really much!
A big thank you from Argentina! We have to play together! :D
Fede Hanhi
Glad to hear you're enjoying it!
14:35 I got 6 wine tiles once, i think that made it quite very super good :P
+ArtificialPenguins i'm pretty sure they were drunk all the time so probably not
Well. did you work all of them?
Another guide! yesss!!!
I often miss your livestreams:( but these are awesome even though they arent live:D
In the perfect sacred sites game I'd, A) only Byzantium, and B) need a faith-based pantheon. If you buy out three of the faith buildings (using your bonus) it's a -possible- for a renaissance win. (well, by the time your tourism catches up at least). It does suffer from the same investment problems of the Piety tree, but it is very quick IF you get it rolling. Of course everyone is sure to catch on as you close in on it.
+Anna Alu It's nearly impossible to do at the moment in NQ.
+Anna Alu If you dont' play in a competitive scenario, where this kinda of route victory is actually viable, It's most likely that you can do a better sacred sites game with, Celts, Maya or Etiopia than Bizantyum, just because it's to hard to use their extra belief bonus. At least was what happened to me, I love cultural/religious foucused games and I tried this sacred sites victory, but I wasn't able to do with Bizantyum (because of the weak early faith generation), on the other hand with the celts was a easy win.
I still play Civ 5 cuz I don't have money for Civ 6. I liked hearing your guide :D I know for sure didn't sponge in everything you said, but I certainly know more than when I started your video at the beginning ;)
I find Civ 6 too complicated and I hate the "wide city" concept. It might grow on me but I still think Civ 5 is superior
civ5 is more fun honestly, civ 6 looks too cartoonish to me and the idea of districts sounds so complicated.
I once made use of Interfaith Dialogue. I was playing as Indonesia and had two neighbours that found religions. My cities were converted by the time candi arrived and were suffering a lot of religios pressure from 2 religions. That made my faith generation very good, and i was able to constantly spam missionaries and use them on my own cities, gaining science consistently. That made me catch up in science quite quickly and make a successfull artillery push.
I used to play Dota 2 for a while (like 2k hours) and used to watch a dota2 youtuber/streamer to expand my knowledge of the game from an experience player POV and you make me think of him for Civ 5. Just got into the game and your videos are very helpful to learn the game mecanics faster
These guides are the reason why I love playing against AI on Prince. I'm not a good player, I only won a diplomatic victory on Immortal with Saudi Arabia, so I don't like doing extreme strategies, but I like seeing what's good, what's not good, and playing around with the not good strategies to do an uncommon victory, just because I feel like doing weird stuff. I'm not going to play the meta (such as... Timing research discoveries with ruins, selling buildings before razing or before my city is taken,, AI exploiting, etc.), I'm going to be a god on a lower difficulty with shitty strategies (Honor strat, farm barbarians (with specific mods), or Piety start, never go down liberty).
These strategies are heavily biased in favour of multiplayer. In the singleplayer environment your win conditions are very different since war is much less common, but against AI on prince you can win with almost any strategy anyway if you're playing competently, so it's kind of a moot point.
@@cedarsapling I can't remember and don't understand what my point was tbh, but you're right. I guess I chalked up playing competently with playing using meta-strategies, but it's probably more that you can use non-meta strats and still play efficiently within that strat, as long as it's an effective enough strat within your difficulty area.
@@vlaceomuadlai2592 prince / king / emperor are fun to explore new strategies. with immortal you can still pick an interesting strategy but it's very difficult and i have had to reload many saves to go back and change an important decision (e.g. deciding whether to pursue a wonder when an AI will beat me to it midway) to not fall behind. deity you pretty much are forced to stick to tradition, 4 core cities, science game until you catch up in tech and then maybe try to capture capitals or go for science victory. unless you start with a specific civ with a very specific goal (e.g. with huns and going for early domination could be possible even on deity due to the battering rams)
Can you do a guide about culture, including policies, great works and other great people?
Thanks Filthy! I love your tier lists and mechanics guides. Will have this on for the next couple of days while I'm preparing meals and such. Great stuff!
Dude you have a very in depth mechanics knowledge. This is really helpful
Thanks for a guide like this. There are many mechanics in Civ V that just aren't shown/explained well in game.
RogerWilco I never new about start biases till I found this guy
you forgot to mention that u can combine stone circles with stone works and mausoleum of halicarnassus, which gives you pretty sweet tiles around turn 50. And if there is a marble, it gets much easier to go for it, since it provides both luxury happiness and wonder production boost for mausoleum.
Yeah, but then you focussed all efforts on getting that up.
Giving your opponents a lead in all other area's XD
18:07 "You're not gonna get a religion this this"
- FilthyRobot, 2015
Your guides have completed changed my CIV group. They are tremendous and before I shared these videos with them, I was able to play at such unfair advantage. Thank you filthy
I trolled a few public lobby games yesterday and went Piety with Maya, and took Heathen Conversion with Raging Barbs. It was suprisingly OP. I gained 3 or 4 units in the same turn several times simply by moving my missionary adjacent to the barbs (you don't have to actually convert them.) It may or may not be "optimal" but it was a fun change from the typical tradition/liberty play, and put a lot of pressure on some noobs.
"Holy warrior is absolute garbage never take this." Looks at recent Spain game.... never say never.
Unless you have insane amount of faith gains, never take this...
Better? XD
When i heard it is garbage my first thought was what's a heresy. It is absolutoryjna top! Especially with higher faith civ - spalin celts indonesia Arabia and so on. With piety discount units are crazy cheap and can be built in one turn saving cash or hammers for building. Imagine for example buying for faith crazy cheap chariots one turn before chivalry and immediate upgrade then to camels using saved cash. Crazy cheap warriors to mohawks. Pikes into winged hussars. Buying pictish warriors with faith repays crazy quickly. Also denying it to AIs is strong
That Spain game is legendary 😂 my dream for games with my mates
Yeah, when he said that I was just having flashbacks to when I pulled a total joke strat on someone where I opened piety since I saw Uluru and had ridiculous desert faith. I did a well timed chariot rush with holy warriors and just murdered everyone.
He was playing nq I think
God of craftsmen is actually picked these days, particularly for early wars. Expands grow to pop 3 fairly quickly. God of the sea can be strong with some coastal starts, even if it comes online late.
I love listening to this guy talk. He just talks so well.
Very nice guide. I've been looking for a video that explains religion from a multiplayer perspective.
Thanks FR, my game has improved immensely, religion is so important I now get it started even before Trad/Lib to smash out those shrines.
You want to start Lib and go down to the settlers, then go down piety. I grab the bonus faith from shrines and temples and the reduced pagodas and mosques then I go back and finish liberty. I usually finish Piety after that
Monument of the gods bad? It's my favourite snowball pantheon belief...
Damn this dude puts so much time into his videos and just makes hours of pure useful info at a time.
Ngl though, that multiplayer commitment is crazy, I'm not strong enough to do that because I can't live without messages like "Belgrade wants a femboy bf".
I've come back to this video a dozen times over the years. Anyone else here in 2022?
I got that very particular spawn with 3 tons of wine and incense around my cap, completely landlock in a corner of the map (my first expension blocked the only path and I could keep like 25% of the map for myself, a monstrous chunk indeed), I was playing as ethiopia also, I tried the Goddess of festivals pantheon, the boost was fine. I think it was one of those rare case where it could be useful
Faith Healers is actually one of my personal favorite pantheons, either for warmongers or for those surrounded by them. +30 healing means you actually heal for 50 every turn, without medic, which means units will last far longer unless the enemy can kill them in one round. It lets your units go back to barb-hunting quicker in the early game, it makes units planted in nearby forts or citadels virtually unkillable, and it lets you be relentless in conquests since you can convert conquered cities and then heal up your units in just a turn or two. March makes this pantheon even stronger, giving the same healing regardless of movement or attacking. Mounted units on roads can hit faraway enemies and then cluster around cities to heal up and do it all over again, and air units can heal up faster for a more relentless assault on the enemy.
If your religion game is strong enough to convert your neighbors via early pressure, or if you bring an aggressive prophet with the army, Faith Healers combined with Just War can make for an unstoppable invasion force as you now gain bonus strength while attacking, a stronger defense, and a maximum of 2 turns to fully heal even the most badly wounded units. A prophet may actually be the superior option here as you can defeat the enemy army in front of the city, THEN convert, so the defenders don't use this pantheon against you. Or, if you're surrounded by warmongers and want a small but efficient army so you can focus on culture/science/etc, Defender of the Faith with Faith Healers will let your minimal defense force hold much harder advances with minimal casualties. But, this pantheon doesn't provide extra hammers, gold, food, science, culture, or faith, so obviously there is an opportunity cost, and you'll probably be in a better spot if you don't need it. But when you need it ... nothing else provides the same kind of bonus.
But, I don't play multiplayer. AI opponents don't calculate for this pantheon to bring enough ranged units to one-turn-kill every unit they attack and can't shoot horse units while they're dashing in and out; players who have these abilities would negate a lot of the benefits. And although your opponents can't do much to stop you using this pantheon in air battles, the fact that they can use it against you may negate the entire thing.
Your guides are great. Helped me alot with the game.
If you are building wide and playing a faith based game, I can see a lot of use out of Ancestor Worship. If you open with Piety then go into Liberty, your cities can build a shrine faster than a monument, and can already produce 2 culture on their own with a shrine. One from liberty and one from ancestor worship.
Dance of the aurora is actually meh, not that bad though but it was at one point useful in my game. You have to deforest the tundra tiles to get faith from them, and deforesting does give between 15-12 hammers towards the city the worker is from. And sometimes due to bad RNG and luck, you'll spawn in an area 40% tundra, and unless you're willing to scout for 3-5 turns more before settling your capital, you're either left with settling now next to 40-60% tundra, 20-10% snow, 20-10% plains/hills grassland, or losing initiative for a much better capital location with higher grasslands/hills and maybe river/mountain. So in one of my games I decided to just settle in an apparent bad spot, as a liberty player, and made use of dance of the aurora to be ahead in faith with other players whilst they're busy IMO from my scouts doing the wrong things to get ahead. As meh as dance of the aurora is, that gave me that tiny edge to be second place in the rankings.
Holy crap I had been wanting one of these. Thanks a ton, Filthy
This is so helpful :'D I was spamming missionaries to spread religion in my game til now. Thanks so much for this guide~
One I perfer to use in raging barbarians is convert heathens just kept a couple of camps near my city and kept missionarys near the border and converted any barbs who attacked then I kept a near constant flow of barbs in his city and when the barbs got to later tech is pretty much gave me an army
also rush the great wall and try to keep near hills or rough terrain
Kind of ironic that you talk about not working plantations when you have chocolate resources, which are pretty good tiles with a plantation. Citrus plantations are good too. Not particularly great, but decent enough.
Also, some perspective on excess food bonuses: Aqueducts are great, they give what amounts to 40% of excess food, it just gives it retroactively when you grow. Taking both religious food bonuses is barely more than half of an aqueduct.
Finally, you can actually get great prophets with 5 spread religion charges, if you have the Great Mosque of Djenne, and buy prophets in the city (not get free prophets appearing from wonders or social policy, or automatically generating them before the industrial era), it will have 5 charges, and you can use one and then enhance, or use one and then plant.
No you can't on the great mosque prophets
I have definitely done it. Starting in the industrial era, when you go into the city and purchase the prophet, it gets 5. Next time I do it I can grab a screenshot. It just doesn't apply to prophets that auto generate, or the one you get at the end of piety, or if you get one from leaning tower.
I just did it in IGE, the prophet has 5 charges.
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That's the key component- purchasing them past the industrial era. I also tested in IGE and the hard generated ones don't start with 5
Can confirm, you need to purchase it to get 5 uses. IGE'd it myself. But plantations suck, you are likely not to have cocoa or you have one or two of them epirewide.
Heaven Conversion + Raging Barbs + Upgrade units = Bigger army.
Thanks for posting this, I love your videos, they're very helpful.
What did you play before Civ5? How did you acquire so much knowledge? Respect! Loving the channel
Starcraft, Warcraft III, Eve Online, Graduate School. You know, the fun titles!
Experience and interest go a long way toward figuring stuff out, glad you're enjoying the content!
Have you ever played Alpha Centauri?
Jesse P Yes
Nicely formatted excel sheet... Minimal formatting, maximal effect :) . (I also noticed that you merged cells at the top to span the length of the tables on the left, but not the one on the right, so I know the approx order you added the tables lol).
Hey Filthy! Firstly, I've been lurking for a long time without speaking up, so here it goes: thank you so much for putting up your videos, I am a very casual player due to time issues but when I actually do get time to play I want to play at the highest level I can, and you've helped me grow a lot as a player, you've also helped me appreciate the game a great deal in all its complexities. Thanks!
Secondly, I came here after I watched your recent Spain game where you had three natural wonders and warred 3-5 five players at any one point. Awesome! However, you did go holy warriors in that game. Can you explain this decision a bit for me? Was that because of very specific circumstances or was the tenet(or belief?) changed in the NQ Mod recently?
+Tobias Sjöqvist The former. I had a TON of faith income in a game that wasn't likely to go past Crossbows where I was likely going to be fighting 1 v many.
Watching in 2022 because this is one of the only chalk media worth intingplafapindo ma gagarabado PA INA ROMNULUS
Heathen conversion might actually be kinda useful to negate rebels in an unhappy civ. War and spread to the detriment of your happiness, tank the unhappiness penalties, and then keep missionaries in all your cities for free units every so often. It's like having a military city-state ally on steroids
I’m in the renaissance era. My religion is dominant, and I am trying to capture Egypt’s capital. They founded a religion and picked the goddess of protection pantheon. And it completely stopped my advance. I had to use a great general and star fortress next to their capital. Then I used a great prophet on top of their capital to convert their religion back to mine. Just so I don’t have to deal with the goddess of protection pantheon.
PS it’s 30% increase City attack range combat strength. The city and Range unit was able to one turn kill my trebuchet.
TLDW:
more than half of the belief thingies you can add on to your religion or pantheon are basically useless (tithe is the best) so don't pick anything that is situational
save up faith to purchase great people so you can spam great scientists or engineers
pagodas are the best religious faith-purchase only building (each one gives 2 happiness, 2 cult and 2 faith)
buying regular units with faith is super expensive don't do it
don't use prophets to spread religion, just use missionaries on faithless (no followers) cities or let it spread passively
if you have a city which you essentially dominate (most followers/pressure) then new citizens born will be turned into your religion (i.e if a city has 3 followers and 5 total pop, when it grows to 6 pop you will gain a 4th follower automatically, 6-7 pop would be 5-6 followers, etc)
if you can spread missionaries in early game then you get a huge leg up as each city with mostly your followers will just provide more pressure and eventually snowball passively without more help (there is two enhancer beliefs that help this, one that increases the pressure distance by 30% and the other increases pressure by 25% (50% with printing press)
pressure from trade routes only happens if the base city (where the trader starts the route) isn't pressuring the city passively already so do it on far away ones
holy sites provide a bonus pressure for like 10 tiles around so place them on border cities if you can safely get your prophet over there
holy cities (cities with holy site) can't be razed unless there are no followers of said religion, then you can raze it. general protip: sell buildings while city is being razed since you wont get them back anyways
capturing other peoples prophets counts for city state quests, and if they still have their 4 religion spread charges, can be used to found a holy site.
desert folklore (pantheon) gives a hammer per desert tile, and would be a KILLER combo with a petra city (if it actually had a bunch of desert tiles)
*IF YOU ARE PLAYING A MULTIPLAYER GAME, PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE TO FOUND A RELIGION/PANTHEON ON THE SAME TURN. IF THEY PICK BELIEFS BEFRE YOU, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THEM, SO IN A MULTPLAYER GAME, BE QUICK WITH YOUR CHOICES, OR SOME OF YOUR BELIEFS WILL BE TAKEN.*
I think FR confused you with his incorrect usage of 'Holy Site' when he meant 'Holy City'. A Holy City is not a city with a Holy Site; it's the city where a religion was founded.
As for "holy sites provide a bonus pressure for like 10 tiles around", I don't know where you got that from. Didn't hear such a thing in the video.
Desert folklore gives faith, not hammers, not sure where you got that from
Very nice summary. Thanks for making this video!
Found your guides and I'm hooked.
Despite what he says about this being a multiplayer focussed video, this is THE BEST religion noob guide for AI games as well!
Insta sub. Everything I wanted to know about religion, but was too lazy to look it up 10/10
Just for the lols, I would like to see someone take missionary conversion when they are being crushed by ideology happiness. Barbs start popping up in your empire, modern barbarians, and you convert them...
Haha i will try this in single player game, should be able to win domination like that.
lord6617 I tried this, my cities just revolted and turned to another civ...I regret all of it lol
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Long, but very informative guide. Thanks!
I played a game on Archipelago once where i was Germany and the person next to me was Indonesia. the guy on Indonesia spammed cities extremely hard because he got the happiness from settling on other islands. he also had tonnes of faith so he decided to get sacred sites(tourism from faith buildings) and by the medieval he was influential with everyone in the game except for Brazil(obviously) despite the fact everyone was attacking him. we never finished that game (someone left and didn't come back) but he was going to be influential with Brazil in about 10 turns so we accepted he won. i think you should try a game using this strategy, id be interested to see how fast you can win with culture victory if Brazil wasn't in the game or if you played as Brazil.
P.S there was basically no iron on the map which meant no frigates so that probably helped him although if you can win before people get to frigates that might help
Finally someone that does multiplayer guides!
I have a playlist with 8-10 multiplayer guides now :)
Youre guide's are good Filthy, loved youre liberty guide.
Regarding messengers of the gods, while Cartage is an obvious civ for people to make use of this, for me it's my preffered pantheon for Maya. Maya already has a shrine giving +2 science, and i find that takign messenger of the gods with it and building a liberty Maya allows to create quite the early tech lead i a good game. Say Maya settles 6 city's and builds it's shrine + roads to those city's, it's going to have 12 + 12= 24 extra science early on. Personally i thing it's a good idea to stack bonusses to a civ, science is a bonus for Maya and toghether with messenger of the gods that can be a really significant advantage. This is compounded by the consideration that Maya needs to get to theology asap, and that providing it has liberty and got to theology that it can spawn 2 great scientists for academy's soon, thus allowing it to consolidate a tech lead. I tried this strategy on SP immortal and it's very powerfull in that the tech lead made can be quite overwhelming, the more so if you can sneak in NC soonish and maintain a well growing cap.
Thanks for explaining the pressure mechanics, it's pretty unintuitive and unlike most mechanics the game doesn't explain it. Like I knew Missionaries were bad at flipping cities but never understood precisely why. Does the 100 pressure part stay consistent through game speeds?
when are you going to finish that denmark game? :(
I believe the 100 pressure per citizen stays the same regardless of game speed. I think what changes is the base pressure of religious cities, but don't hold me to that since I only ever play on quick!
Hey Filthy. Would you mind doing a list of the pros and cons of all religions and ranking them to which is best like you did for the wonders? The wonders list is very handy indeed! Thanks again and keep up the good work!
2019 and i'm only now getting to play Civ V. Great content by the way. Thumbs up. Just a quick question: I'm having issues with the game, everything is small, all my game icons are small. I have to sit really close to the screen to be able to read and see what the icons are. Anyone else experience the same?
FLAVIO CADAMURO were you able to fix it?
I don't know I find the food from temples and shrines particularly helpful with growing cities quickly especially if you have shitty food terrain, but I guess I don't understand something about this.
Ah man, I’ve been taking ‘Fertility Rites’ this whole time for my Science playthroughs because I thought it acted as a miniature Temple of Artemis 😫
I wish I could give this guy all the subs
Purchasing great scientists with faith. How ironic.
never thought about it like that
I don't think it is ironic. A lot of astronomical and other discoveries were made by religious men. Religion itself doesn't stop innovation and science until its followers start interpreting knowledge as a threat to its beliefs. So, for example, a lot of Islamic scholars contributed in great amounts in the fields of astronomy, algebra (initially created for Islamic inheritance laws), geography, spherical geometry, spherical trigonometry (done in order to find the direction of Qibla, the Islamic calendar, and the time of prayer). These innovations were, indeed, contributed by religion. Now, I am not saying that religion ALONE can contribute to science. I'm sure someone else would have found these ideas if it wasn't for Islamic scholars. However, I am merely pointing out that religion and science aren't that far apart as Dawkins and Harris make it to be. Scientific revolution in Islam fell only when a scholar started fearing the pursuit of knowledge as challenging his faith, rather than understanding God's world.
Is there a God? I don't know. Probably not. However, the psychological effects (at least the positive ones) have contributed a lot of good to the world. Religion is just a religion. Its feasibility in the modern world, and its "goodness" is all dependent on how its followers act. You can have followers who act barbarically in the name of religion, in that case people are quick to blame the religion rather than the followers. However, they also don't recognize that ANY ideology brings militancy. Look at Stalin. He gave up his Georgian Orthodoxy and became an atheist, and executed a lot of Christians (not to mention harassment, torture, imprisonment etc) for the purposes of establishing communist ideology (they were afraid that the church would challenge their State ideologically).
It is easy, and quite fashionable to bash religious people nowadays. I am not religious particularly, I am just exploring different ones, however I am appalled by the stupidity of fellow atheists when they bring up trivial points. They already dislike religion and then engage in confirmation bias to find instances when it was harmful while ignoring all other effects. The same goes for religious people. They ignore all the good brought upon by atheists and science and only point at Stalin.
At its core, religion makes you feel better. It does so by assuring people that someone cares and provides them community of like-minded people. That's all. There is nothing more or less.
Ricky Hemant Im laughing that you took the time to create that wall of text responding to a little jab/joke.
+Ricky Hemant probably one of the smartest, most well rounded comments I've ever seen; well said.
It worked for Michael Faraday
I love how the *worst* pantheons are the best with barbarians evolved (best mod btw)
i guess the game i pretty broke, there are so many times where he says "don't ever pick this"
I'm pretty sure faith healer works with planes aswell so it bassically gives air repair to your planes right away
Faith healers is OP when you combine it with air repair bombers
I rarely play competitively, But when I do, it's usually with friends that I know. Thus I often tend to mess around with the religion a fair bit. Religions such as 'Pornography' and 'Twitter' would come about, leading to many, many jokes. Such as Pornography having Fertility Rites, or Twitter having Liturgical Drama and Religious Texts
At one point I decided I would pump production out of my cities using the religion, so I actually took Monument to the Gods, then later Religious Community.
Combined with the Marble I had nearby, somehow my capital could suddenly build Classical wonders in around 4 turns. I named the religion 'Egypt'.
you forgot one significant factor for spreading your religion if the opportunity arises ( though i guess i play single player mostly atm): World congress world religion pushes. had several cases where i could shove world religion: mine down everyone's throats by spreading my religion to ai's with enough votes to get it to pass even though they did get Pagodas and religious community but mehh even with the 15% bonus i gave them i still outclassed them in production anyways plus Washington in one of my games was actually harrassing my most direct neighbour thus i actually gained a hidden benefit from giving him more hammers because he was basically hampering Shaka who was planning to attack me be4 Washington began harrassing him ^_^ still very good guide on how to use religion :) and it seems we think the same about pretty much all the Tenets and pantheons :D
i really like that he disclaimers and sais that if ur not playing mp go watch someone else
When unhappines levels are low enough, you get barbarian querillas spawned in your territory. Maybe Heathen Conversion could rock in that case :DD
god of craftsmen seems like an early game liberty verson of religious community
except it's a pantheon
you get +1 hammer from Republic and also +1 from this
can be very big
Dance of aurora can be an amazing faith pantheon, depends on your land. When your starting spot is in tundra with a lot of deers. It happened to me once and i got the first religion. So...
Found Filthy after watching him destroy the yogscast and was interested in high-level civ.. man i was not ready for all this micromanagement
They weren't either!
You said it several times that your guide is for 6 player everyone vs everyone games, but World church is awesome in big team games where your teammates get your religion too
Worth adding that tundra sheep are also a thing, so if you get one/multiples(!) of those you could probably try to make something work. ofc still quite weak overall though
I also heard that faith healers apply for planes which is a funny joke use at least
Good point about tundra sheep!
Thanks again, FB,
You've warned me off from the high-speed click-fest reflex game that is No Quitters free-for -ll, but I can still enjoy our little LAN games at the maker space.
I am left wondering how I find out about other players' religions. There's so much of the interface I have yet to learn. I had been playing for about 6 months, always trying to maximize culture nd tourism. I had read in Zigzagigal's guides about the theming bonuses reached through trading works of art, but I didn't discover the trading interface until a few weeks ago.
There's just so much depth to this game, and I'm actually "on the short bus" for a variety of reasons, all from the neck up. So maybe I'm in too small of a minority of people who even need a walk-trhough of the interface, to find it all. I do have some local players who will help, and some of them are also somewhat autistic, and are thus more understanding.
Anyway, I've been enjoying watching and listening to your guides. You are very thorough on what you do cover. Thanks, again.
Find out everything about rivals' religions by clicking the faith counter in the top bar, then going to the 3rd tab, which is a table of all beliefs chosen so far; click the furthest-right heading to group them up _by_ religion for easy viewing.
Remember, make sure to faith purchase your Jesuit Education research labs before Renaissance era so they're cheap.
In one of my games I had 3 wine near my capital and about 4 more wine very near by. Goddess of festivals was VERY useful in that case.
Jokes on you for working wine tiles.
C'mon everyone knows working wine tiles is terrible :)
23:00 you’re talking about that it instantly gives you a bonus without having to improve the tile but most games the tiles are already improved before I get a pantheon
then you're doing it wrong
hi. great guide. Question: is it always worth to get religion? eg. if you are 3rd/4th on religion and good things are already taken. is it worth to start your own religion or better plant the prophet?
+Anna K almost always better to found a religion, depends on how close the enemy religion is to you and how good it is.
I nearly always take the 10% food growth rate, didn't realize it was just on the excess, that's kind of misleading
In some games "To the glory of god" even better than finishing racionalism. When you bought great person for faith price of next same type great person going higher. I dont remeber exact amount but i think for finishing racionalism max prise is 2700 or 2900 faith and for the "glory of god" max price for great person is 1700 faith. If your faith income high enough and game goes long enough it could be much better.
p.s awesome guides. I got same opinion about almost everything in civ5 but in each guide Iam able to find something new for me. ty for this small details of mechanic and very good advices.
+TheInfectedRed The cost of faith purchased great scientists are identical using glory to god or rationalism as the purchasing enabler. Furthermore, having both gives no discount -- the cost is only based on the number you've purchased already.
FilthyRobot Iam sorry, just tested it, Iam was wrong (
TheInfectedRed
No problem mate!
13:00 you shoulda also mentioned how that one pairs really really well with japan cause of their special unit
I think if you combine the Monasteries with Goddess of Festivals that could be something. A lot of these you are supposed to use in combo with other things. By themselves they are pretty weak.
Great video thanks.
I've never planted Great Prophets, or used Missionaries. Now I will(missionaries if it's beneficial to me).
I have a question though. I'm assuming you use the first 2 Great Prophets on Founder and Follower beliefs. Would you then save to get a third to plant, or would you spend on Pagodas(for example), then get a Great Prophet to plant? Or maybe this is also situational, and depends whether you need the happiness or not? Maybe getting 3 Pagodas for example, would still get you a Third Great Prophet nearly as quick, and you get the Pagodas thrown in?
I've been playing on Epic for a while, so the figures in your spreadsheet are quite a bit different to what I get.
I played Denmark once, rushed the Berserkers unit and Heathen Conversion and rushed 3 civs out of the game. Didn't win that game but I had good times.
Once upon a time (with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many hours spent on this game) I was spain, settled a city next to the Fountain of Youth, and figured I would get faith healers to give myself immortal stealth bombers. Additionally I was near the "center" of the map, so I could hit almost any city with my stealth bombers.
The point I'm trying to make here is not that I had this great game, it is that most beliefs CAN be useful, sometimes the circumstances are unusual.
Still seems like you better could have gone for one with nature. The bonus from that is doubled for Spain so you get 8 extra faith from natural wonders. Besides with air repair and fountain of youth bonus your stealth bombers would've been immortal anyways. And you need to not do anything with your unit for the faith healer bonus which when you're at war you don't want to be doing.
Edit: ok i found out that you can't work the fountain of youth so one with nature still would've been useless there, but i stand by my point that faith healers is still useless even in that situation
extremely useful video
Thank you a lot
Does one with nature give 8 faith on great barrier reef?
PureLSD if you are spain one with nature gives an additional 4 faith from any natural wonder tile, for a total of 8. if you are not spain and have one with nature and have both great barrier reef tiles in your borders, worked they give a total of 8 fpt, but if you are spain they give 8 each for a total of 16
sorry im super high rn so my comment might not make sense
sorry