Just wanted to write another comment in case people didn’t make it to the end of the video, I am a big PSA fan! In all honesty, this video hurt to make. I hope you guys know that I value my viewers’ trust more than anything else, because without it, my word is no good moving forward. So when I’m having a great experience with a gun or piece of gear and I sing praises about it, know that I mean it. Just like when I have issues with some!thing, I’m going to tell you guys. I have the luxury of shooting a ton of different guns and collecting them all. But for the average person, it’s not lost on me that it’s very likely someone can make a big purchase based off something I recommend. I don’t take that lightly. Idc what was or wasn’t sent to me for free, whether someone did, or didn’t pay for a product showcase, the way I choose to deliver my opinions will not change. Y’all have my word. That said, I’m confident these rifles will be back in working order soon and I’ll keep you all posted.
I think this is just how (modern) AR 10 is in reality tho... They are great but also very finicky IMO. There are better examples but as you mentioned, $$$$$$$$$
@@bp8023 Or possibly Mac didn't show you the issues? Keep in mind--he got two lemons and these were probably cherry picked rifles because they know who these rifles were going to....
@@bp8023 Yeah...I'm sure it was just two random lemons in two different calibers that ended up with the same person. Either that extremely low probability outcome or Tim put a suppressor on the gun the get it to cycle properly without telling us why he added the suppressor and he cherry picked groups (which is why most of the groups were 3-shot groups).
There is a big difference between a negative review and an honest review that doesn't omit issues. I have full confidence that PSA will properly address the issue. Keep up the great videos!
Hats off to you brother for purchasing this rifle outside of any selection process by the manufacturer! Speaks highly of your integrity and fairness to your viewers.
I appreciate that. In fairness PSA is a company that has sent me product in the past and I did try to get these rifle supplied but understandably they were wanting to get them in the hands of customers first. I thought it was worth buying just to get the content out there quicker.
@@TexasPlinkingI love how honest you are about your relationship with PSA. They are a great company and I’m curious to see the outcome once you get the rifles back. I wonder if that’s a common problem with these rifles bc I’d like to get my hands on one! Anyway, great video man!
@@TexasPlinking so they would’ve eventually sent you both of them like that that’s crazy, do you get to keep them afterwards, because I feel like that kind of waters down the whole thing by giving the incentive of keeping their guns
@@mrgrump2534 Clearly no incentive when I chose to buy them instead no? It’s not like what most people think like, “Merry Christmas, here are some guns”
@@TexasPlinking I've had the same gas issue in a .308 AR-10 build using a wilson combat barrel. I just had to make the gas hole a little bigger and problem solved.
Another update for y’all, it could be a very likely that all the 6.5 rifle needed was to run with better mags. (Like the pmags it came with for example) I’m starting to hear about possible issues with that cartridge and the geometry of a retro metal mag. The 308 on the other hand, that didn’t seem magazine related to me. Just felt like a really slow bolt. We’ll learn everything we need to soon, but PSA has been great so far.
I was just about to tell you this. Another TH-camr had your same problem and when he used mp mags he said he had no issues. Basically he only hand issues with the mags that came with the gun.
yeah man its the mags. I have the 308 and have put about 300 rounds through mine and my rounds were doing the same as yours. our airforce Stan mags make the m4 do similar crap so I switched the mag to a p mag and everything magically fixed itself. went from 2 out of every 20 not feeding or catching to 100 ish rounds more in the p mags and not one problem. the metal mags from what I can tell make the bullet nose creep up at a weird angle and caused those same weird failure to feeds and bullet dents. great video man, PSA always makes things right in my experience so I plan on reaching out with the info I have and seeing what they can do!
I'm not sure if you've come to a conclusion yet on the mags, but its the diameter of the 6.5 CM bullet that causing you issues, that mag is designed for the .308, the narrow 6.5 is getting fouled, I'm sure if you find a 20 round metal mag that works with 6.5 specifically you wouldn't have the same issues. I think
I love your channel and your opinion matters so i Listen carefully to what you have to say about certain rifles.... Well you & Hikock45 so I appreciate your Honesty
Throw in a David Tubb flatwire buffer spring and I bet it'll run like a champ. It has worked flawlessly in my AR-10 that was having similar issues. If not, you may have to wear in that rifle for a few hundred rounds before it cycles properly
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I had a AR-15 build that had similar issues, I tried a different BCG and it solved the issue of not enough gas. Contacted the manufacturer of the problem BCG, they emailed a return label and they're shipping out a new one.
You might’ve mentioned this but did you check gas block alignment and is it pinned or just set screwed? On the 1 PSA I had the bcg and buffer spring were super crunchy but after lubing both and checking GB alignment it ran great.
Hey Brandon it is looking like the magazines may be the problem. Try a magpul magazine. From other reviews online it looks like the follower is the problem.
Sig is known for teething pains like this on nearly everything they've ever released. It's not uncommon to have issues at launch. That's why vehicles have recalls.. that's why we have return labels.. that's why refunds are a thing. sh^t happens
I'm so glad you're honest no matter what dude. You and TFB TV are my favorite guntubers because you guys are honest about the products based on your experience. Just wanted to say, really appreciate your style of content.
@@Barnes-ml9wg No, not a joke at all. James Reeves and Hop are probably the furthest thing you can get from a shill. Hop is literally brutally honest about any product and sure James is a bit of a glock fan boy, which he is totally honest about, but Def ain't no shill. No idea what you're talking about lol. I've talked to both those guys personally they're good dudes and James has good policies in place for TFB reviewers
Your honesty is really refreshing! Paid/biased gun reviews are all too common, so its really nice when you come upon a principaled reviewer. Thank you for the honest review!
It could be the gas blocks not lined up correctly or they could be loose. Hope PSA let's you know what the issue was and sends them back working correctly. PSA has been coming out with great products, especially the last few years. Their AAC ammo line is hard to beat for the price and performance you get. Their 5.56 75gr BTHP, 77gr OTM along with the 300blk options I've used thus far have been reliable and accurate, and with current deals I suggest stocking up before prices go crazy and supply is limited.
It wasn't a bad review at all mate, it was a great review the wsy it should have been told, it is what it is, they were faulty, good to see the company is rite onto it, sounds very promising, cheers Yogi 👍
Another great video review. Can’t wait for PSA to remedy their function issues and return your rifles. Looking forward to your follow up video. Thanks for your honesty and integrity. Always enjoy watching your excellent marksmanship. 😎
Great review dude. I loved the military version. So great that there is an affordable like weapon. You did a great job and will look for the follow up.
I think that is a very good thing you had these issues and can bring some light to them, palmetto has been very good in the past about being very prompt in fixing flaws in their rifles, and the next batch will be even better!
I'm sorry to hear that you've had such a problem with yours! I got the first batch .308 and it's just been an absolute sewing machine. Consistent 3/4" groups and I've only ever had one failure to feed when I was messing with the gas settings. Hope they make it right! Edit: CheyTac strikes once again!
No man thank you for your truthfulness in your reviews. As always it’s a new rifle and psa will make it right at least I’ve never had a problem with psa up till now Thanks again for what you do for us God bless stay safe
Instead of the magpul bipod or the $100 discount you suggested I'd rather PSA keep the bipod, keep the price the same, and include $100 worth of quality control.
Im a PSA fan also. Bought my first AR kit from them and all in I have about $550 in it(700'ish now with a trigger), never once had a problem. Their blemish deals are great.
Thats a bummer sir! I was just watching MAC's review on these rifles and it was all praise and .2 moa groups. I'm sure like you said PSA will take care of you. Looking forward to seeing the conclusion of the warranty process. Good shootin.
I carried the M110 SASS while I was in the USMC, and that is why I'm such a lover of .308/7.62x51 ... It's fun to see companies try to make a replica, but one thing they always miss is that the service moved to using a stock with both length of pull and cheek riser. Also, that first shot "flyer" you kept referring too may have been how that rifle performs cold-bore if you were taking a bit of time between ammunitions. Understanding, how a rifle/ammunition pair performs cold-bore is very important. Love the video!
Do not worry about the review. It is honest and that is way more than many other sponsored platforms can say. You like PSA, I like PSA but sometimes things do not go well in the build process and misalignments happen in the gas system or variation in spec'd tolerances stack to result in less than optimal performance. It will be very interesting to hear what PSA finds. What would be awesome is if they video'd the forensic on the BCG and gas system and highlighted the issue(s). That is a bit much to ask but I have seen a lot of good studies on BCGs and there are ample opportunities for a slight variation to result in inefficiency. Keep up the great work!
Awesome review. You were fair and honest, can't ask for more than that. PSA has great CS so I'm sure you will get back functional rifles.... and quick.
You waited 3 years to buy a shitty sub $500 Chinese optic?!?! Man, Arkansas makes some basement level stuff. If it's a bargain you want, stick with Vortex. Or, save your cash like a big boy and buy a quality optic. The optic, mounts and accessories should cost as much as your rifle, maybe even more.
I've had a few issues with PSA in the past, they've always been very fast about fixing any issues, and either supplying parts to allow me to fix the problem myself. There will always be a % of parts that will be out of spec and not work properly, and when you build as many guns as PSA does, it's more likely they will be encountered by people. Interested to see the follow-up, I really wanna see this be a success.
Nice job in annoyingly high winds Bud! Way better than I can shoot haha! I’m blessed to live in the beautiful state of South Carolina and visit PSA store often. Great people and great patriots who’s mission is to get as many AR’s into Americans hands as possible. Love their value and have three as well as a pistol they make. Best thing about the AR is it’s modularity and standardization, enabling me to upgrade as my shooting skills improve to match the gun and stay on a middle class budget.
Looks like I'll be waiting for about 6 months before I buy one. PSA has always been good at remediating issues pretty quickly when it comes to popular models from them. Looking forward to buying one! :D
I think a fair rule of thumb for psa is that unless you're okay with possible initial problems, waiting a few months after release for them to be fixed before buying is a better option.
That’s with anything. 😂😂 psa is hit or miss but I’ve seen a few videos now of this gun shooting under 1 Moa with various different ammo brands. This seems like a big hit if they keep their QC in check.
I have two PSA 300 B/O rifles and a Dagger. I've never had any problems with any of them. I agree with what you said at the end of your video in that there are countless other brands that I could buy. However, I trust PSA products and if I ever have an issue, I trust PSA will take care of it. Now. Having said that, I have a Ruger SFAR 308. During the first 40 rounds fired I had a failure to eject and two failures to feed. Before shooting the SFAR I had read that this gun likes to be heavily lubed. So after that second failure to feed I pulled the BCG and sprayed it down with CLP, shook off the excess and put it back together. Not a single problem after that. The SFAR has a 4-position adjustable block. I've been shooting on position 3, the fully gassed position. After Im done shooting I lightly clean and heavily lube the BCG and put it away. I have well over 1K rounds through it and no further issues (still on the fully gassed setting). The point I am making is that Ruger is also having issues with the gas system on the SFAR. Forums are full of comments and solutions to these gassing problems. Whats funny is that it seems like whenever someone buys a new SFAR they post the issues they're having and in my mind I'm saying we already dealt with that two months ago. One thing several folks on the SFAR FB forum have done is replace the gas bloack with an after market gas block that provides much finer tuning. Like I said I am no longer having issues with the SFAR, but in the back of my mind I feel like I have been dis-loyal to PSA. Sorry PSA. Next 308/AR10 will be from PSA. I promise. :)
Dude the frames on your 760 yds with the 308 were awesome 😂 could actually see the bullet arcing into the target! Can't believe you're cameras caught that! 😮
Yeah, I can't remember ever seeing the actual glint of a bullet hitting its target before. Normally, I only see the air refraction from the wake of the bullet.
Looks so cool! I've seen that only a couple times on these kinds of videos. I think it's the sun backlighting the base of the bullet just right, dusk or early morning. It looked to be those kind of conditions. So awesome to watch those bullets just drop in like that!
Thank you for doing this review. The issues you were having in my opinion are not a negative reflection on PSA. I feel that there are manufacturers who also have challenges with adjustable gas tubes. I am not, an expert by any means. Could the issue be the buffer spring not being the right size as well. Speaking for myself, I fully trust your word, and value your thoughts. That is why I enjoy your videos and look forward to watching to the next ones. Please continue being you and doing what you do. Lastly, once the challenges are resolved with this rifle, please shoot in one of your 1000 yard videos.
So, I purchased a Gen 3 PA65 platform a few years ago and after shooting it for close to a year I began making changes. It now more closely resembles the M110 both functionally and somewhat appearance. Though I've chosen a PRS Gen3 stock with rifle length buffer, Gieslle SSA-E trigger, upgraded to a superlative gas block, a PRI fore-end, and an American Precision Fat Bastard break, topped with a Vortex Viper 5-25X15 PST SFP, the rifle performs far more appropriately that it did originally. It shoots MOA effortlessly at 1k and doesn't stray far at 1400, so it does what I built it do. Good value overall.
After reviewing the video slowed down and frame by frame, I found something kind of interesting. The main issue you are having looks to be that the bolt is not fully going back. If you compare the frames around 24:23 to any of the normal cycling frames, the lugs never make it past the last quarter of the ejection port. I believe this is caused by a sort of slow leak on the gas-block. In many of the firing frames you can clearly see that the gas-block is leaking a bit. This is not completely abnormal as the gas-block isn't pressure fit, nor is it truly sealed. As such, small quick puffs of gas tend to escape. However, during the times when the rifle does not fully cycle, it seems as if the block does its initial puff but continues to still leaks extra gas after the fact. My guess would be that the tolerances between the block and the barrel are just far enough apart that the heat / pressure from the gas expands it out of spec. Thus, the bolt doesn't make its full travel rearward and has just enough forward momentum to push the round into the barrel lugs (This is what caused the dents in the case and pushed in rounds).
I think you’re onto something, I thought the same thing, especially because there was some carbon starting to get built up by the gas block on both rifles. Again, not abnormal, especially going to be more noticeable on an FDE barrel. But could certainly be the case here.
@@TexasPlinking Blessed by the Plinkster himself! The reason I think it is gas leaking is due to person experience with it. Had a 5.56 gun that wouldn't cycle and chew up cases just like your PSA's were. Used slow motion video on my phone to see a leaking gas block and slow bolt push. The Fix I came up with was to put some high temp silicon engine gasket sealant between the barrel and the gas block. Has worked perfectly for 12k rounds so far lol. But, I'm sure PSA will get everything working right for ya. Seem like great dudes who actually care about their customers. Can't wait to see an update video on these things!
Great review ! I have two PSA AR 10's also in .308 WIN and 6.5 Creedmoor and have had no problems with either one except when ammunition was hard to come by 3 years ago.....😀 As for other AR 10 rifles with issues such as Ruger SFAR and POF (any AR 10 there) as seen on other You Tube channels, PSA should hopefully rectify issues you have and explain what were the faults..... PSA's customer service has gotten better over the years so look forward to see what transpires next....😀
I have a PA10 in 308 20 inch stainless barrel I as well had gas problems. I ended up taking off the adjustable gas block and went with a low profile ar10 none adjustable gas block and it works wonderful so far
I also had problems with a Gen 3 PA10 308, 20 inch barrel. PSA sent me a new upper. Got it in and still had problems. The rifle was FTF,FTE severe case marring, and was literally ripping the bullets out of cases when ejecting. PSA blamed the Norma 308/147gr, saying it was a recent bad batch recall. PSA WOULD NOT COVER THE PRODUCT. SAID IT WAS OUT OF THE 30 DAY WARRANTY. The Norma ran fine in my bolt gun. Had a buddy change out the trigger spring and a Geisle 2 stage. It runs like a dream now. I wont buy anymore PSA. They dont stand behind products
@JoeWayne84 1) thing, "You're". 2) Yes, among other things, when I drop $900 on a rifle, I expect it to not literally tear the unspent bullet from the casing. I expect the rifle to eject each round and not jam to where it takes 2 grown men to pry the charging handle back. I expect out of the box it should be able to handle firing a reasonable grain of round. I also expect a reputable company like PSA to back up the product for life. Im by no means I gunsmith, and quite frankly, new out of the box, I shouldn't have to be. 3) these are my experiences. Go screw yourself. Congratulations, you talked shit to a stranger on the internet. Your parents must be so proud.
I have 2 regular PSA10s in .308. The first one was doing the same thing both of these rifles were doing with the gas system. Once I got a couple hundred rounds through it, it shaped up and its 100% solid. Haven't had any kind of malfunction since then. The 2nd one has been rock solid from day 1. Shoots sub MOA at 100 with factory Hornady Black 168gr even though the first rifle HATES that ammo and won't group with it at all. Also, theres a reason that the 6.5CM comes with PMAGs and not the Metal mags.
Usually Tim from MAC breaks everything and gets the bad factory guns, but his 6.5 put down good groups and he managed to not destroy it. Hopefully they get yours back to you soon and they perform.
Had the same thing happen to me on a 6.5 creedmoor barrel. With all my research the gas port hole should have been .086 and mine was .068. I opened it up to .086 and it's flawless. Guess the guy drilling the holes had a bad day reading. Lol good luck and thanks for the review I want one now.
One of the biggest problems 20" rifle length gas systems have is the gas tube is just not long enough.. if you use the armalite length gas tube you gain dwell time on the key and better acceleration of the bcg... than the gun really become tuneable. I only assume psa is using that same std ar15 length rifle tube...
I was strongly considering springing for one of these, but I think I’ll wait and see what the “fix” looks like. In the end if it’s just mags maybe I’ll revisit
fwiw i have one of these in .308 and it shoots really nicely. I had issues with a brand of ammo i had lying around, but 2 other brands i had work flawlessly. One of those bad rounds i had had an issue with the primer, and jammed up the gun. Took it back out today and put about 100 shots in with no issues. Im not a precision shooter or anything, but the groups were all really nice i thought at 100 yards they were about an inch to an inch and a half on 5 shot groups. I shot 10 rounds and 15 rounds once each as well, with about 8 of them being within an inch on the 10 round mag, and maybe 12 or 13 on the 15 round mag. The trigger is absolutely shockingly nice on it i thought. So far, i adore this gun.
@@cl4998 Not unusual for a first run of a PSA product. Once they work the kink(s) out, it's a fantastic product. Not to mention, AR-10s are just annoying picking about gassing
The real story is, it's basically a pile of shit that didn't run properly. Lots of broke guys try to defend basement rifles and gear, you get what you pay for.
So I want to note something massive for anyone reading… The .308 ar-10 platform is often a pain in the ass to dial in meaning the adjustable gas block… the second video of his on this rifle explains that he did in fact dial it in to the blocks sweet spot and it is now running sevenfold over the 6.5. Now you know, you’re welcome.
Dude, tighten up your sunglasses 😅 Excellent information on these very affordable long shooters. PSA is really stepping up and making decent firearms. The ammo comparison was also helpful.
I just ordered the Arken optic GEN2 SH-4J 6-24X50mm FFP and they have a 25% off on it now. It list for $399 but with the 25% off and shipping it cost me $323.99. This is my first Arken optic and it's going on my Uintah Precision 308. When I'm done with all my surgeries I plan on trying to shoot in your 1000 yard challenge. Old military problems are haunting me but I'll drink water and do pushups and I'll be fine. LOL
I think a PSA rep should come out, discuss the problems and the solutions they have with the guns, then shoot the 1000 yard challenge with ya! It would be a great Public relations opportunity
I have one of their 556 AKs that accepts AR mags. Shot great, but would only kick out the mag with the AR style release and not the paddle. I kind of just accepted it and emailed them to see if its a common issue and what I could do to fix it. I let them know what mags it was happening with (which was all and of course some were worse than others), the next response was a shipping and return label. I received my rifle back which had my muzzle device and a modified ALG trigger in it (plus the scratches I knew I put on there) with the issue resolved. I feel the company cares about its customers and at the price point is coming out with a great product.
The issue the upper I bought was basically a deburring issue. A bur on any part of the gas port/block could be causing some problems with gas flow maybe?
If I didn't already have an AR in 308 I would absolutely grab one of these rifles. As soon as it was in my hands, off comes the factory gas block and on goes an SLR rifleworks adjustable. Then once I wore out the factory barrel ( in 308 that is a WHOLE LOT OF SHOOTING) grab a 20 inch hybrid profile chrome lined barrel from Criterion and do it all over again.
Funny enough, a few years ago, bought a PAS-10, got a knights armament rail, to make a M110 clone. Hope they get back to you, and hope that it’s better. Always wanted a clone of a M110, and I think they nailed it in looks.
Group sizes are measured center to center, not by furthest ends. Also know wonder your 308 was under gased if you closed off the gas block block to lowest setting.
Thanks for honest review. I am a cloner but to your point its crazy expensive and some parts you just cant get to build the clone correct M110. Might be fun to work up some hand loads and see what she can do...I will own one of these and change a few things and pretend its a M110 :)
AR-10's tend to be a bit more finicky than AR-15's. I've got an 18 inch 308 that I built, and I'm trying to work the kinks out of it too. I think it will improve as I use the rifle, but I will be putting in a heavier hammer spring and possibly a chrome silicon buffer spring. Other builds I did where the cycling wasn't reliable, the chrome silicon buffer springs tended to improve reliability. Also they have a ridiculously long cycling life. A regular steel spring should be replaced every 12,000 rounds, but these have a cycling life of 500,000+ rounds so basically they will most likely outlive the rifle they are installed in. It also removes the "sprong" noise in the buffer assembly when cycling. They run between $15.00 to $20.00 for an AR-15 spring and around $30.00 for an AR-10 spring, so they aren't a real expensive upgrade. Again, make sure the spring is intended for your buffer assembly length, carbine or rifle. They get a thumbs up from me.
@@thefrogking481I don't think that's true considering I have an SR15, a Mk18, a 12.5 specwar build, a few other relatively high end AR builds as well as some budget builds including 3 PSA upper lower combos that I slapped together. The PSAs I have are all fine. That said, my PSAs are pretty vanilla mil spec 5.56 or 300 blackout, so I'm sure the bugs have been worked out as opposed to a brand new product. Obviously you can spend more but you end up with diminishing returns very quickly, and I have experienced and have seen other people experience QC issues similar to what is seen in this video with high end builds. It's not very often that I feel like I get what I pay for with high end stuff, so I wouldn't hesitate to recommend PSA.
@@thefrogking481 no need to drop $2000 on something that functions the exact same as a $600 rifle. If it shoots, it shoots. Not everyone needs to be hitting 0.001 MOA groups at 1000000yds.
I like to see more semi-auto long range precision. In most 'real world' applications, the semi-auto will out shine the bolt guns. It would be neat to see a head to head comparison of bolt vs semi on long range multiple targets.
If we’re talking about simplicity and reliability, nothing beats a bolt gun, especially when shooting suppressed. My bolt gun is a 6.5CM Sig Cross with a NF ATACR 7-35 and Vox S suppressor. I don’t have to worry about tuning, gas systems, adjusting for suppressed/non-suppressed. I get it out to 1100 yards consistently and it shoots .7MOA 5 shot groups at 300yrds. Now I do agree there are some applications that a semi-auto sniper system would be more suitable, that’s why I use my Spear .308 with the NF ATACR 1-8 or my Spear LT using Mk262 77gr ammo.
@@Peezy71421 Round for round, I've seen more bolt actions have failure to feed than ARs. Not saying 'PRS' is real world, but not having to run a bolt is handy. Often guys forget to run the bolt before or after moving during a stage. It is also nice to go to PRS matches with a practical gun rather than some competition queen.
Agreed, it would be nice to see head-to-head comparisons of ARs and bolt guns. Be extra nice if they were actual practical rifles rather than pure competition guns (like 18 lbs bolt guns in 6mm Dasher and alike)
Do appreciate the honest review. Sucks that both guns had the exact same issue. Seems like theres a need for a bit more QC work on these. However the price is pretty awesome.
its the mags man. I have the 308 and the metal mags look amazing but are shit. had about 3 failure to feeds in a mag about, then switched to p mags and boom gun has ran 100 percent flawless. the metal mags just let the bullets nose go up at a bad angl. my bullets where doing the same as his. only reason I thought of it was because of our shitty Stan mags in the airforce do the same shit sometimes.
Interesting…I was actually planning to pull the “trigger” today after watching MAC’s review. This makes me reluctant. I think I’ll wait a month or two.
Yeah you got some chimpanzee arms homie. Anyway, great review, I love the channel! I also love Palmetto State Armory’s mission statement of arming every single American citizen with AR’s and AK’s and I love PSA because of that. I always recommend them, they do everything in house and they do it pretty darn well. They can have their issues but their customer service is really great. I just had an issue recently lol.
Just fyi you could always check the buffer weight and lighten that up which could also resolve the issue with that being said it should have ran out of the box. Im sure PSA would be happy to resolve the issue one way or another.
Great shooting, I put a riflespeed adj gas block on my 762x39 bear creek shooting suppressed and it worked flawlessly. I brought the palmetto ar 10 it has the adjustable gas block. Suppressed and unsupressed shoots great but you have to use a Allen wrench. I will be putting a riflespeed adjustable gas block on it as well as my 16 inch ar 15 .
awesome video and new sub here. this video has me thinking of an old project that I never started... building a DMR type Semi-auto .308/6.5 that's good out to 800-1000 yards (I don't shoot much more than that in Appalachia and its hard to even find a 200yd+ range lol). nonetheless, where is the best place to start if building such a project? I love the high-end versions of the 308/6.5 platform from HK, LaRue, LWRC, etc but would like to build a comparable rifle without spending their premium. Cheers & god bless 😎 edit: I hope those axil over-ear muffs work better than their in-ear version. I've sent 3 iterations of the in-ear back to them. appreciate your candor for the end-of-video update for the PSA response. rock on brother. the honesty will keep me coming back. It's nice because I have a few PSA's in my backyard :D
I have the 308, I have the opposite of under gassed. I have it on the lowest setting, (no suppressor) get lock back every time, also using lancer, pmags, and the metal mags. Currently on the rifle is 500 rounds of steel case 149 grain 300 rounds of bulk win 149 grain brass.
Great video! I am wanting one of these in 6.5 when I can afford it but I havent seen ANY reviews until yesterday and now yours. Im wondering if its a gas block issue from production as it happened with both of them, no mention of the issue on the other video I had seen, and that video did show it capable of .5-.75MOA but its quite possible there was cherry picking groups in there too.
You're opinion will change once you have a job. PSA is hot garbage and their reputation proves it. Much like Aero Precision and Anderson. You get what you pay for.
@@thefrogking481 no one in their right mind is going to drop $2000 on a rifle (looking at you Daniel Defense) without having tons of disposable income. I guarantee there’s no difference in how the rifle shoots between PSA and DD. Plus I’ll buy PSA over Aero, BCA or Anderson any day.
A new dodge Durango rides nice, after 10 years and 150,000 miles its garbage, probably done at 75,000 in reality. A 4Runner will be good for 300,000 miles and still be in better shape than the Durango. PSA is the Dodge and DD is the 4Runner. It’s better in every way
Update video: th-cam.com/video/Bajsv__EbAg/w-d-xo.html
Just wanted to write another comment in case people didn’t make it to the end of the video, I am a big PSA fan! In all honesty, this video hurt to make. I hope you guys know that I value my viewers’ trust more than anything else, because without it, my word is no good moving forward. So when I’m having a great experience with a gun or piece of gear and I sing praises about it, know that I mean it. Just like when I have issues with some!thing, I’m going to tell you guys. I have the luxury of shooting a ton of different guns and collecting them all. But for the average person, it’s not lost on me that it’s very likely someone can make a big purchase based off something I recommend. I don’t take that lightly. Idc what was or wasn’t sent to me for free, whether someone did, or didn’t pay for a product showcase, the way I choose to deliver my opinions will not change. Y’all have my word. That said, I’m confident these rifles will be back in working order soon and I’ll keep you all posted.
Thanks for all your hard work. Sometimes you just get a lemon. MAC got a great copy.
I think this is just how (modern) AR 10 is in reality tho... They are great but also very finicky IMO. There are better examples but as you mentioned, $$$$$$$$$
@@bp8023 Or possibly Mac didn't show you the issues? Keep in mind--he got two lemons and these were probably cherry picked rifles because they know who these rifles were going to....
PSA always has great ideas but often bad execution for one simple reason--they have no QC department apparently.
@@bp8023 Yeah...I'm sure it was just two random lemons in two different calibers that ended up with the same person. Either that extremely low probability outcome or Tim put a suppressor on the gun the get it to cycle properly without telling us why he added the suppressor and he cherry picked groups (which is why most of the groups were 3-shot groups).
There is a big difference between a negative review and an honest review that doesn't omit issues. I have full confidence that PSA will properly address the issue. Keep up the great videos!
Hats off to you brother for purchasing this rifle outside of any selection process by the manufacturer! Speaks highly of your integrity and fairness to your viewers.
I appreciate that. In fairness PSA is a company that has sent me product in the past and I did try to get these rifle supplied but understandably they were wanting to get them in the hands of customers first. I thought it was worth buying just to get the content out there quicker.
@@TexasPlinkingI love how honest you are about your relationship with PSA. They are a great company and I’m curious to see the outcome once you get the rifles back. I wonder if that’s a common problem with these rifles bc I’d like to get my hands on one! Anyway, great video man!
@@TexasPlinking so they would’ve eventually sent you both of them like that that’s crazy, do you get to keep them afterwards, because I feel like that kind of waters down the whole thing by giving the incentive of keeping their guns
@@mrgrump2534 Clearly no incentive when I chose to buy them instead no? It’s not like what most people think like, “Merry Christmas, here are some guns”
@@TexasPlinking I've had the same gas issue in a .308 AR-10 build using a wilson combat barrel. I just had to make the gas hole a little bigger and problem solved.
Another update for y’all, it could be a very likely that all the 6.5 rifle needed was to run with better mags. (Like the pmags it came with for example) I’m starting to hear about possible issues with that cartridge and the geometry of a retro metal mag. The 308 on the other hand, that didn’t seem magazine related to me. Just felt like a really slow bolt. We’ll learn everything we need to soon, but PSA has been great so far.
I was just about to tell you this. Another TH-camr had your same problem and when he used mp mags he said he had no issues. Basically he only hand issues with the mags that came with the gun.
yeah man its the mags. I have the 308 and have put about 300 rounds through mine and my rounds were doing the same as yours. our airforce Stan mags make the m4 do similar crap so I switched the mag to a p mag and everything magically fixed itself. went from 2 out of every 20 not feeding or catching to 100 ish rounds more in the p mags and not one problem. the metal mags from what I can tell make the bullet nose creep up at a weird angle and caused those same weird failure to feeds and bullet dents. great video man, PSA always makes things right in my experience so I plan on reaching out with the info I have and seeing what they can do!
I'm not sure if you've come to a conclusion yet on the mags, but its the diameter of the 6.5 CM bullet that causing you issues, that mag is designed for the .308, the narrow 6.5 is getting fouled, I'm sure if you find a 20 round metal mag that works with 6.5 specifically you wouldn't have the same issues. I think
I love your channel and your opinion matters so i Listen carefully to what you have to say about certain rifles.... Well you & Hikock45 so I appreciate your Honesty
Throw in a David Tubb flatwire buffer spring and I bet it'll run like a champ. It has worked flawlessly in my AR-10 that was having similar issues. If not, you may have to wear in that rifle for a few hundred rounds before it cycles properly
(In fairness, please be sure to watch the update at the end) In this video, I review what is probably one of the hottest & most anticipated new releases in a very long time. At least for clone & long range enthusiast. These are the new billet SABRE-10 rifles. Specifically, the ones inspired my the Knights Armament Co. M110 SASS. I've got two, one chambered in .308, the other in 6.5 Creedmoor. As seen in the review, I'm having some issues with both in regards to the gas settings. As I write this description, both rifles are on their way back to PSA and they'll be looking them over. They'll be back before to long and we can pick up from there, stay tuned!
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I had a AR-15 build that had similar issues, I tried a different BCG and it solved the issue of not enough gas. Contacted the manufacturer of the problem BCG, they emailed a return label and they're shipping out a new one.
You might’ve mentioned this but did you check gas block alignment and is it pinned or just set screwed? On the 1 PSA I had the bcg and buffer spring were super crunchy but after lubing both and checking GB alignment it ran great.
Hey Brandon it is looking like the magazines may be the problem. Try a magpul magazine. From other reviews online it looks like the follower is the problem.
Sig is known for teething pains like this on nearly everything they've ever released. It's not uncommon to have issues at launch. That's why vehicles have recalls.. that's why we have return labels.. that's why refunds are a thing. sh^t happens
I built a live free armory lr308, seemed like a bolt issue. As soon as I put magpul in it worked. Metal was a no go
Please use this in the next 1 moa at 1000 yards challenge
I kinda can’t
@@TexasPlinkingwhy?
Maybe already filmed?
@@ivindavis4071explanation is in the pinned comment**
He is sending it back to psa
I'm so glad you're honest no matter what dude. You and TFB TV are my favorite guntubers because you guys are honest about the products based on your experience. Just wanted to say, really appreciate your style of content.
James is the GOAT
Lmao your joking right?? TFB are the biggest shills just below Sootch
@@Barnes-ml9wg No, not a joke at all. James Reeves and Hop are probably the furthest thing you can get from a shill. Hop is literally brutally honest about any product and sure James is a bit of a glock fan boy, which he is totally honest about, but Def ain't no shill. No idea what you're talking about lol. I've talked to both those guys personally they're good dudes and James has good policies in place for TFB reviewers
Your honesty is really refreshing! Paid/biased gun reviews are all too common, so its really nice when you come upon a principaled reviewer. Thank you for the honest review!
It could be the gas blocks not lined up correctly or they could be loose. Hope PSA let's you know what the issue was and sends them back working correctly. PSA has been coming out with great products, especially the last few years. Their AAC ammo line is hard to beat for the price and performance you get. Their 5.56 75gr BTHP, 77gr OTM along with the 300blk options I've used thus far have been reliable and accurate, and with current deals I suggest stocking up before prices go crazy and supply is limited.
It wasn't a bad review at all mate, it was a great review the wsy it should have been told, it is what it is, they were faulty, good to see the company is rite onto it, sounds very promising, cheers Yogi 👍
Another great video review. Can’t wait for PSA to remedy their function issues and return your rifles. Looking forward to your follow up video.
Thanks for your honesty and integrity. Always enjoy watching your excellent marksmanship. 😎
Great review dude. I loved the military version. So great that there is an affordable like weapon. You did a great job and will look for the follow up.
I think that is a very good thing you had these issues and can bring some light to them, palmetto has been very good in the past about being very prompt in fixing flaws in their rifles, and the next batch will be even better!
Starting at 21:33,
Those shots are SO COOL! I love when the sun is just right, and you can see the glint of the bullet falling into the target.
Great overview can’t wait to see what happens with these
I'm sorry to hear that you've had such a problem with yours! I got the first batch .308 and it's just been an absolute sewing machine. Consistent 3/4" groups and I've only ever had one failure to feed when I was messing with the gas settings. Hope they make it right!
Edit: CheyTac strikes once again!
This is why I watch this channel. It's why I gave Arken a shot a long time ago and it's why I will continue to watch . Cant beat straight up info..
No man thank you for your truthfulness in your reviews. As always it’s a new rifle and psa will make it right at least I’ve never had a problem with psa up till now Thanks again for what you do for us God bless stay safe
Great content & awesome review: PSA knocked it out of the park with their PSA Sabre M110 especially in .308 those are just sweeeet!!
Instead of the magpul bipod or the $100 discount you suggested I'd rather PSA keep the bipod, keep the price the same, and include $100 worth of quality control.
Im a PSA fan also. Bought my first AR kit from them and all in I have about $550 in it(700'ish now with a trigger), never once had a problem. Their blemish deals are great.
Those M110ish PSA's look fantastic!
PSA will probably get the gas issue resolved. I'm glad you do honest reviews.
Thats a bummer sir! I was just watching MAC's review on these rifles and it was all praise and .2 moa groups. I'm sure like you said PSA will take care of you. Looking forward to seeing the conclusion of the warranty process. Good shootin.
MAC's video was a paid advertisement even tho he doesn't admit it, so take his "reviews" with a massive pile of salt.
You know these guys get free stuff for good reviews right?
Tim at military arms is only second to Sootch as being a shill.
Love all your fair, honest, and transparent content Brandon. Keep it coming 👍🏻
I carried the M110 SASS while I was in the USMC, and that is why I'm such a lover of .308/7.62x51 ... It's fun to see companies try to make a replica, but one thing they always miss is that the service moved to using a stock with both length of pull and cheek riser. Also, that first shot "flyer" you kept referring too may have been how that rifle performs cold-bore if you were taking a bit of time between ammunitions. Understanding, how a rifle/ammunition pair performs cold-bore is very important. Love the video!
Do not worry about the review. It is honest and that is way more than many other sponsored platforms can say. You like PSA, I like PSA but sometimes things do not go well in the build process and misalignments happen in the gas system or variation in spec'd tolerances stack to result in less than optimal performance. It will be very interesting to hear what PSA finds. What would be awesome is if they video'd the forensic on the BCG and gas system and highlighted the issue(s). That is a bit much to ask but I have seen a lot of good studies on BCGs and there are ample opportunities for a slight variation to result in inefficiency. Keep up the great work!
Honesty is always appreciated, thank you.
Awesome review. You were fair and honest, can't ask for more than that. PSA has great CS so I'm sure you will get back functional rifles.... and quick.
Thank you so much I finally found the scope I've been waiting for. It's been 3 years and now I will have the scope I want thanks to you and arken
You waited 3 years to buy a shitty sub $500 Chinese optic?!?!
Man, Arkansas makes some basement level stuff. If it's a bargain you want, stick with Vortex.
Or, save your cash like a big boy and buy a quality optic.
The optic, mounts and accessories should cost as much as your rifle, maybe even more.
@@thefrogking481 go gigga Chad your dd and I'll put whatever the hell I want on my guns bud
I hope everyone that may have the same or similar issue gets the same speedy customer service that’s great. PSA is doing great things.
I've had a few issues with PSA in the past, they've always been very fast about fixing any issues, and either supplying parts to allow me to fix the problem myself. There will always be a % of parts that will be out of spec and not work properly, and when you build as many guns as PSA does, it's more likely they will be encountered by people. Interested to see the follow-up, I really wanna see this be a success.
way to represent Arken. Just like when I was there, I cant say enough good things about the optics. It wasnt its fault I couldnt hit a target :)
Nice job in annoyingly high winds Bud! Way better than I can shoot haha!
I’m blessed to live in the beautiful state of South Carolina and visit PSA store often.
Great people and great patriots who’s mission is to get as many AR’s into Americans hands as possible. Love their value and have three as well as a pistol they make. Best thing about the AR is it’s modularity and standardization, enabling me to upgrade as my shooting skills improve to match the gun and stay on a middle class budget.
Looks like I'll be waiting for about 6 months before I buy one. PSA has always been good at remediating issues pretty quickly when it comes to popular models from them. Looking forward to buying one! :D
I think a fair rule of thumb for psa is that unless you're okay with possible initial problems, waiting a few months after release for them to be fixed before buying is a better option.
That’s with anything if you are wise.
That’s with anything. 😂😂 psa is hit or miss but I’ve seen a few videos now of this gun shooting under 1 Moa with various different ammo brands. This seems like a big hit if they keep their QC in check.
More like half a year to a year
@@Rubelessnot really psa just has shitty qc
Or just not risk it at all with a company that has a history of bad quality control.
I have two PSA 300 B/O rifles and a Dagger. I've never had any problems with any of them. I agree with what you said at the end of your video in that there are countless other brands that I could buy. However, I trust PSA products and if I ever have an issue, I trust PSA will take care of it. Now. Having said that, I have a Ruger SFAR 308. During the first 40 rounds fired I had a failure to eject and two failures to feed. Before shooting the SFAR I had read that this gun likes to be heavily lubed. So after that second failure to feed I pulled the BCG and sprayed it down with CLP, shook off the excess and put it back together. Not a single problem after that. The SFAR has a 4-position adjustable block. I've been shooting on position 3, the fully gassed position. After Im done shooting I lightly clean and heavily lube the BCG and put it away. I have well over 1K rounds through it and no further issues (still on the fully gassed setting). The point I am making is that Ruger is also having issues with the gas system on the SFAR. Forums are full of comments and solutions to these gassing problems. Whats funny is that it seems like whenever someone buys a new SFAR they post the issues they're having and in my mind I'm saying we already dealt with that two months ago.
One thing several folks on the SFAR FB forum have done is replace the gas bloack with an after market gas block that provides much finer tuning.
Like I said I am no longer having issues with the SFAR, but in the back of my mind I feel like I have been dis-loyal to PSA. Sorry PSA. Next 308/AR10 will be from PSA. I promise. :)
Dude the frames on your 760 yds with the 308 were awesome 😂 could actually see the bullet arcing into the target! Can't believe you're cameras caught that! 😮
Yeah, I can't remember ever seeing the actual glint of a bullet hitting its target before. Normally, I only see the air refraction from the wake of the bullet.
Looks so cool! I've seen that only a couple times on these kinds of videos. I think it's the sun backlighting the base of the bullet just right, dusk or early morning. It looked to be those kind of conditions. So awesome to watch those bullets just drop in like that!
They're doing BIG things!🙌💪🤙🇺🇸
MAC *tim's* accuracy test on his which is a 6.5 creed. Was super accurate!
Are you simple? The reason Tim shot only 3-shot groups and he had a suppressor is pretty obvious to everyone watching this video, except you.
I don't really dog on folks but look at that video as a commercial.... I never go to MAC for reviews or impressions.
Mac is a commercial first, review second.
Some people just can’t see a sell out.
Oh you guys don't trust Mr. Gunbroker himself? Lmao.
The light hitting the bullet as it flew ~21 minute mark was sick.
Thank you for doing this review. The issues you were having in my opinion are not a negative reflection on PSA. I feel that there are manufacturers who also have challenges with adjustable gas tubes. I am not, an expert by any means. Could the issue be the buffer spring not being the right size as well. Speaking for myself, I fully trust your word, and value your thoughts. That is why I enjoy your videos and look forward to watching to the next ones.
Please continue being you and doing what you do. Lastly, once the challenges are resolved with this rifle, please shoot in one of your 1000 yard videos.
So, I purchased a Gen 3 PA65 platform a few years ago and after shooting it for close to a year I began making changes. It now more closely resembles the M110 both functionally and somewhat appearance. Though I've chosen a PRS Gen3 stock with rifle length buffer, Gieslle SSA-E trigger, upgraded to a superlative gas block, a PRI fore-end, and an American Precision Fat Bastard break, topped with a Vortex Viper 5-25X15 PST SFP, the rifle performs far more appropriately that it did originally. It shoots MOA effortlessly at 1k and doesn't stray far at 1400, so it does what I built it do. Good value overall.
After reviewing the video slowed down and frame by frame, I found something kind of interesting. The main issue you are having looks to be that the bolt is not fully going back. If you compare the frames around 24:23 to any of the normal cycling frames, the lugs never make it past the last quarter of the ejection port. I believe this is caused by a sort of slow leak on the gas-block.
In many of the firing frames you can clearly see that the gas-block is leaking a bit. This is not completely abnormal as the gas-block isn't pressure fit, nor is it truly sealed. As such, small quick puffs of gas tend to escape. However, during the times when the rifle does not fully cycle, it seems as if the block does its initial puff but continues to still leaks extra gas after the fact. My guess would be that the tolerances between the block and the barrel are just far enough apart that the heat / pressure from the gas expands it out of spec. Thus, the bolt doesn't make its full travel rearward and has just enough forward momentum to push the round into the barrel lugs (This is what caused the dents in the case and pushed in rounds).
I think you’re onto something, I thought the same thing, especially because there was some carbon starting to get built up by the gas block on both rifles. Again, not abnormal, especially going to be more noticeable on an FDE barrel. But could certainly be the case here.
@@TexasPlinking Blessed by the Plinkster himself!
The reason I think it is gas leaking is due to person experience with it. Had a 5.56 gun that wouldn't cycle and chew up cases just like your PSA's were. Used slow motion video on my phone to see a leaking gas block and slow bolt push. The Fix I came up with was to put some high temp silicon engine gasket sealant between the barrel and the gas block. Has worked perfectly for 12k rounds so far lol.
But, I'm sure PSA will get everything working right for ya. Seem like great dudes who actually care about their customers. Can't wait to see an update video on these things!
Glad to see you follow up with this. I am having similar problems with an Aero build in 6.5. Looking forward to the solution.
Thanks
Great review. Please do a follow-up when the issue is resolved.
Very impressive and entertaining video. I liked your budget minded optics as well. Thank you and respects from Los Angeles.
Great review ! I have two PSA AR 10's also in .308 WIN and 6.5 Creedmoor and have had no problems with either one except when ammunition was hard to come by 3 years ago.....😀 As for other AR 10 rifles with issues such as Ruger SFAR and POF (any AR 10 there) as seen on other You Tube channels, PSA should hopefully rectify issues you have and explain what were the faults..... PSA's customer service has gotten better over the years so look forward to see what transpires next....😀
Thanks for the honesty , these rifles definitely have issues and should not be released to the public
I have a PA10 in 308 20 inch stainless barrel I as well had gas problems. I ended up taking off the adjustable gas block and went with a low profile ar10 none adjustable gas block and it works wonderful so far
I also had problems with a Gen 3 PA10 308, 20 inch barrel. PSA sent me a new upper. Got it in and still had problems. The rifle was FTF,FTE severe case marring, and was literally ripping the bullets out of cases when ejecting. PSA blamed the Norma 308/147gr, saying it was a recent bad batch recall. PSA WOULD NOT COVER THE PRODUCT. SAID IT WAS OUT OF THE 30 DAY WARRANTY. The Norma ran fine in my bolt gun. Had a buddy change out the trigger spring and a Geisle 2 stage. It runs like a dream now. I wont buy anymore PSA. They dont stand behind products
@@brianwatts8036your mad the trigger spring needed changed possibly??? Haha grow up
@JoeWayne84 1) thing, "You're".
2) Yes, among other things, when I drop $900 on a rifle, I expect it to not literally tear the unspent bullet from the casing. I expect the rifle to eject each round and not jam to where it takes 2 grown men to pry the charging handle back. I expect out of the box it should be able to handle firing a reasonable grain of round. I also expect a reputable company like PSA to back up the product for life. Im by no means I gunsmith, and quite frankly, new out of the box, I shouldn't have to be.
3) these are my experiences. Go screw yourself.
Congratulations, you talked shit to a stranger on the internet. Your parents must be so proud.
I have 2 regular PSA10s in .308. The first one was doing the same thing both of these rifles were doing with the gas system. Once I got a couple hundred rounds through it, it shaped up and its 100% solid. Haven't had any kind of malfunction since then.
The 2nd one has been rock solid from day 1. Shoots sub MOA at 100 with factory Hornady Black 168gr even though the first rifle HATES that ammo and won't group with it at all.
Also, theres a reason that the 6.5CM comes with PMAGs and not the Metal mags.
Usually Tim from MAC breaks everything and gets the bad factory guns, but his 6.5 put down good groups and he managed to not destroy it. Hopefully they get yours back to you soon and they perform.
Had the same thing happen to me on a 6.5 creedmoor barrel. With all my research the gas port hole should have been .086 and mine was .068. I opened it up to .086 and it's flawless. Guess the guy drilling the holes had a bad day reading. Lol good luck and thanks for the review I want one now.
Finally, someone making an upper for all those Larue lowers that Larue cleared out.
One of the biggest problems 20" rifle length gas systems have is the gas tube is just not long enough.. if you use the armalite length gas tube you gain dwell time on the key and better acceleration of the bcg... than the gun really become tuneable. I only assume psa is using that same std ar15 length rifle tube...
I was strongly considering springing for one of these, but I think I’ll wait and see what the “fix” looks like. In the end if it’s just mags maybe I’ll revisit
fwiw i have one of these in .308 and it shoots really nicely. I had issues with a brand of ammo i had lying around, but 2 other brands i had work flawlessly. One of those bad rounds i had had an issue with the primer, and jammed up the gun. Took it back out today and put about 100 shots in with no issues. Im not a precision shooter or anything, but the groups were all really nice i thought at 100 yards they were about an inch to an inch and a half on 5 shot groups. I shot 10 rounds and 15 rounds once each as well, with about 8 of them being within an inch on the 10 round mag, and maybe 12 or 13 on the 15 round mag.
The trigger is absolutely shockingly nice on it i thought. So far, i adore this gun.
Thanks Saber! For making a PA-10 affordable AF 😅 that's the real story here!
That doesn't function correctly?
@@cl4998 Not unusual for a first run of a PSA product. Once they work the kink(s) out, it's a fantastic product. Not to mention, AR-10s are just annoying picking about gassing
The real story is, it's basically a pile of shit that didn't run properly.
Lots of broke guys try to defend basement rifles and gear, you get what you pay for.
It's the magazines.
My cousin bought the .308 and had the same issues as you are having.
Try some PMAGS.
PSA has been killing it
These are very cool rifles.
Looking forward to seeing the resolution and explanation.
Man they actually shot pretty good! May make a PSA customer out of me yet.
So I want to note something massive for anyone reading… The .308 ar-10 platform is often a pain in the ass to dial in meaning the adjustable gas block… the second video of his on this rifle explains that he did in fact dial it in to the blocks sweet spot and it is now running sevenfold over the 6.5. Now you know, you’re welcome.
Dude, tighten up your sunglasses 😅 Excellent information on these very affordable long shooters. PSA is really stepping up and making decent firearms. The ammo comparison was also helpful.
I feel like the gas rings were worn out or the gas block alignment was off. Those have tended to be the usual culprit with their complete uppers.
Gas rings worn out?
It's a new rifle. And block alignment is someting we pay for when we buy a rifle.
PSA just builds crap, kinda like Aero Precision.
@@thefrogking481 PSA has improved their build quality over the last few years. I’ve got a couple uppers and haven’t had any issues
I just ordered the Arken optic GEN2 SH-4J 6-24X50mm FFP and they have a 25% off on it now. It list for $399 but with the 25% off and shipping it cost me $323.99. This is my first Arken optic and it's going on my Uintah Precision 308. When I'm done with all my surgeries I plan on trying to shoot in your 1000 yard challenge. Old military problems are haunting me but I'll drink water and do pushups and I'll be fine. LOL
I think a PSA rep should come out, discuss the problems and the solutions they have with the guns, then shoot the 1000 yard challenge with ya! It would be a great Public relations opportunity
Damn fine job by having both side by side.
Wow... The drop on the .308 was like falling from Heaven!
Didn't know you were a hornet (Lometa) guy until I saw this video. I'm in Brownwood, and grew up in a local six man school.
Watching those 308 pills with the glare off the back was amazing
I have one of their 556 AKs that accepts AR mags. Shot great, but would only kick out the mag with the AR style release and not the paddle. I kind of just accepted it and emailed them to see if its a common issue and what I could do to fix it. I let them know what mags it was happening with (which was all and of course some were worse than others), the next response was a shipping and return label. I received my rifle back which had my muzzle device and a modified ALG trigger in it (plus the scratches I knew I put on there) with the issue resolved. I feel the company cares about its customers and at the price point is coming out with a great product.
The issue the upper I bought was basically a deburring issue. A bur on any part of the gas port/block could be causing some problems with gas flow maybe?
If I didn't already have an AR in 308 I would absolutely grab one of these rifles. As soon as it was in my hands, off comes the factory gas block and on goes an SLR rifleworks adjustable. Then once I wore out the factory barrel ( in 308 that is a WHOLE LOT OF SHOOTING) grab a 20 inch hybrid profile chrome lined barrel from Criterion and do it all over again.
Funny enough, a few years ago, bought a PAS-10, got a knights armament rail, to make a M110 clone. Hope they get back to you, and hope that it’s better. Always wanted a clone of a M110, and I think they nailed it in looks.
Great job on a honest review (ish) I love all my PSA guns and this is on the list of to buy guns. I can’t spend but so much a week PSA 😂😂
Group sizes are measured center to center, not by furthest ends. Also know wonder your 308 was under gased if you closed off the gas block block to lowest setting.
Easy fix, put a .308 carbine spring on it and it should have no more issues.
Thanks for honest review. I am a cloner but to your point its crazy expensive and some parts you just cant get to build the clone correct M110. Might be fun to work up some hand loads and see what she can do...I will own one of these and change a few things and pretend its a M110 :)
Quad rails have always been the GOAT
Buffer weight and spring can be changed as well as drilling out the gas port in the barrel.
Looks like a cool gun. Do I need it? No. Do I want it? Hell yes.
AR-10's tend to be a bit more finicky than AR-15's. I've got an 18 inch 308 that I built, and I'm trying to work the kinks out of it too. I think it will improve as I use the rifle, but I will be putting in a heavier hammer spring and possibly a chrome silicon buffer spring. Other builds I did where the cycling wasn't reliable, the chrome silicon buffer springs tended to improve reliability. Also they have a ridiculously long cycling life. A regular steel spring should be replaced every 12,000 rounds, but these have a cycling life of 500,000+ rounds so basically they will most likely outlive the rifle they are installed in. It also removes the "sprong" noise in the buffer assembly when cycling.
They run between $15.00 to $20.00 for an AR-15 spring and around $30.00 for an AR-10 spring, so they aren't a real expensive upgrade. Again, make sure the spring is intended for your buffer assembly length, carbine or rifle.
They get a thumbs up from me.
Did you clean/lube the rifles before shooting? I had another brand Ar10 it seemed to like to run wet until it started to break in.
PSA is amazing
Huh?
PSA is garbage for guys who refuse to save up enough to buy a decent rifle.
@@thefrogking481I don't think that's true considering I have an SR15, a Mk18, a 12.5 specwar build, a few other relatively high end AR builds as well as some budget builds including 3 PSA upper lower combos that I slapped together. The PSAs I have are all fine. That said, my PSAs are pretty vanilla mil spec 5.56 or 300 blackout, so I'm sure the bugs have been worked out as opposed to a brand new product. Obviously you can spend more but you end up with diminishing returns very quickly, and I have experienced and have seen other people experience QC issues similar to what is seen in this video with high end builds. It's not very often that I feel like I get what I pay for with high end stuff, so I wouldn't hesitate to recommend PSA.
@@thefrogking481 no need to drop $2000 on something that functions the exact same as a $600 rifle. If it shoots, it shoots. Not everyone needs to be hitting 0.001 MOA groups at 1000000yds.
Well this is def making me want to wait on picking one of these up
Gotta love PSA
Well I now know what don't to ever buy!!!!! Thanks for the video. Although My stuff is tuned correctly!!
I wasn't aware of the Japanese class I appreciate the info now I'm super glad I waited next month that sh 4J is mine
I like to see more semi-auto long range precision. In most 'real world' applications, the semi-auto will out shine the bolt guns. It would be neat to see a head to head comparison of bolt vs semi on long range multiple targets.
If we’re talking about simplicity and reliability, nothing beats a bolt gun, especially when shooting suppressed.
My bolt gun is a 6.5CM Sig Cross with a NF ATACR 7-35 and Vox S suppressor. I don’t have to worry about tuning, gas systems, adjusting for suppressed/non-suppressed. I get it out to 1100 yards consistently and it shoots .7MOA 5 shot groups at 300yrds.
Now I do agree there are some applications that a semi-auto sniper system would be more suitable, that’s why I use my Spear .308 with the NF ATACR 1-8 or my Spear LT using Mk262 77gr ammo.
@@Peezy71421 Round for round, I've seen more bolt actions have failure to feed than ARs. Not saying 'PRS' is real world, but not having to run a bolt is handy. Often guys forget to run the bolt before or after moving during a stage. It is also nice to go to PRS matches with a practical gun rather than some competition queen.
Agreed, it would be nice to see head-to-head comparisons of ARs and bolt guns. Be extra nice if they were actual practical rifles rather than pure competition guns (like 18 lbs bolt guns in 6mm Dasher and alike)
Do appreciate the honest review. Sucks that both guns had the exact same issue. Seems like theres a need for a bit more QC work on these. However the price is pretty awesome.
its the mags man. I have the 308 and the metal mags look amazing but are shit. had about 3 failure to feeds in a mag about, then switched to p mags and boom gun has ran 100 percent flawless. the metal mags just let the bullets nose go up at a bad angl. my bullets where doing the same as his. only reason I thought of it was because of our shitty Stan mags in the airforce do the same shit sometimes.
Shocking that PSA built a rifle under gassed. I would’ve expected the opposite.
Its a mag issue. metal mags dont let the rear of the bullet up toget caught by the bold thats why the bold is stopping halfway down the casing.
Interesting…I was actually planning to pull the “trigger” today after watching MAC’s review. This makes me reluctant. I think I’ll wait a month or two.
Yeah you got some chimpanzee arms homie. Anyway, great review, I love the channel! I also love Palmetto State Armory’s mission statement of arming every single American citizen with AR’s and AK’s and I love PSA because of that. I always recommend them, they do everything in house and they do it pretty darn well. They can have their issues but their customer service is really great. I just had an issue recently lol.
Just fyi you could always check the buffer weight and lighten that up which could also resolve the issue with that being said it should have ran out of the box. Im sure PSA would be happy to resolve the issue one way or another.
I’ve always used heavier buffer weights when I have these problems and it usually fixes them
Great shooting, I put a riflespeed adj gas block on my 762x39 bear creek shooting suppressed and it worked flawlessly. I brought the palmetto ar 10 it has the adjustable gas block. Suppressed and unsupressed shoots great but you have to use a Allen wrench. I will be putting a riflespeed adjustable gas block on it as well as my 16 inch ar 15 .
awesome video and new sub here.
this video has me thinking of an old project that I never started... building a DMR type Semi-auto .308/6.5 that's good out to 800-1000 yards (I don't shoot much more than that in Appalachia and its hard to even find a 200yd+ range lol). nonetheless, where is the best place to start if building such a project? I love the high-end versions of the 308/6.5 platform from HK, LaRue, LWRC, etc but would like to build a comparable rifle without spending their premium. Cheers & god bless 😎
edit: I hope those axil over-ear muffs work better than their in-ear version. I've sent 3 iterations of the in-ear back to them.
appreciate your candor for the end-of-video update for the PSA response. rock on brother. the honesty will keep me coming back. It's nice because I have a few PSA's in my backyard :D
I have the 308, I have the opposite of under gassed. I have it on the lowest setting, (no suppressor) get lock back every time, also using lancer, pmags, and the metal mags.
Currently on the rifle is 500 rounds of steel case 149 grain
300 rounds of bulk win 149 grain brass.
Great video! I am wanting one of these in 6.5 when I can afford it but I havent seen ANY reviews until yesterday and now yours. Im wondering if its a gas block issue from production as it happened with both of them, no mention of the issue on the other video I had seen, and that video did show it capable of .5-.75MOA but its quite possible there was cherry picking groups in there too.
Psa has quickly become my personal favorite firearm company
You're opinion will change once you have a job.
PSA is hot garbage and their reputation proves it.
Much like Aero Precision and Anderson.
You get what you pay for.
@@thefrogking481 I do have a job lol how do you think I bought what I bought? Any who! So far I haven't had any problems with what I bought.
@@thefrogking481 no one in their right mind is going to drop $2000 on a rifle (looking at you Daniel Defense) without having tons of disposable income. I guarantee there’s no difference in how the rifle shoots between PSA and DD.
Plus I’ll buy PSA over Aero, BCA or Anderson any day.
A new dodge Durango rides nice, after 10 years and 150,000 miles its garbage, probably done at 75,000 in reality. A 4Runner will be good for 300,000 miles and still be in better shape than the Durango. PSA is the Dodge and DD is the 4Runner. It’s better in every way
Just watched the MAC video with his and it functioned fine with lock back and .5” groups
check gas blocks for tightness and proper fit. and BCG tube. having that issue with another rifle now.