@asd-ik5er the only boss design that was bad was the commander dude riding the boar, and in my opinion second phase radahn because my screen gets cluttered, and frames drop during the nuke attack
@@titanium_germanyI don’t even know what the meta is, I just play incredibly defensive and sneak hits in whenever I can and it eventually gets the job done
My roommate is very big into Elden Ring. He never raged before the DLC but now he’s got to turn off the game and go smoke a cigerette every couple hours😂
I’m level 277 and I thought I was in a good spot for the DLC but I was wrong😂. So far all the bosses I’ve fought seem to be around the caliber of Malenia and Maliketh. This all stems from the fact that these new bosses have massive health pools, long combo streams, and on top of that they don’t seem to be as susceptible to bleed, frost, and whatever else I’ve been throwing at them unlike the bosses outside of the dlc. Prior to this I kept playing with people online to help as many people get through Malenia as possible and to also help take off some rust I may have had from being away from the game for about a year. I even met “Let me Solo her” during this and I didn’t believe it was him till dood actually solo’ed her😂. But regardless of how much prep I’ve put in, the only thing that’s been getting me through these bosses and staying sane is being able to stay as calm as possible whenever I’m getting pressured by em. This is something I worked on while fighting Malenia over and over again. And while I think some nerfs might happen in the future, I’d just appreciate the devs just fixing how buggy the game feels after I downloaded the DLC cause some bosses lag mid fight making it just that much more egregious to beet them. Shit is not sweet people so if you want to even stand a chance against some of these bosses get stronger and bring your A game. I wish y’all the best🫡
Yea I can definitely see what you mean about the rage thing. I've been frequently talking in vc's with my friends while we all play through the dlcs, and they've been going mentally insane with their rage💀 while I've just been laughing, and enjoying myself in my struggle. I use to have similar issues as them, where I'd just rage about getting my ass kicked, but the souls games got me to stop with that, and it makes the games alot more enjoyable as a result.
I’m almost done with the dlc as a melee build. It’s been tough but definitely fun! I personally haven’t experienced any bugs (aside from a visual glitch in some catacomb 😂) -so good luck guys, the victories are definitely achievable!
I remember walking through Ringed City getting kicked in the teeth by something waiting around every other corner. From’s DLCs gave always been harder because they’re designed for high level builds and don’t want to be a cake walk.
My take on this situation: I’m a new gen souls player, I’ve only played er, a little bit of sekiro and bb, but mainly er, when playing through the base game, I always thought it was too easy (barring malenia) so the MASSIVE difficulty spike on this dlc has made me VERY happy. All of these “hardcore” souls players complaining that the dlc is too hard fail to see Miyazaki’s dream in making a truly difficult game, and in general are starting to piss me off, there is a reason that the souls communities main quote is “Git Gud”. I’ve just beat the final boss recently (at least 20x harder than malenia) and I still have 16-17 more runs with new weapons and incantations that I still want to do, beating all of base game and all of the dlc in every run. I also look forward to playing sekiro later, as I’ve heard that the game is very hard, so wish me luck that it doesn’t disappoint (: Edit: when I say final boss I mean the final boss of the dlc, not radabeast, they were a pushover
Its tough, but its always been managable. If yer really struggling with the bosses, help others do them. Use the spirit ashes. Tische makes every boss easy still haha. Also some of the DLC bosses are very tough. But nothing it's even close too Malenia or Maliketh so far.
@@birthebird4154 I have fought her. Shes pretty early in the DLC I think. Shes tough, but she aint no Malenia. Cool as hell tho. Im pretty far in, and have two bosses available to fight. Just waiting for friends to catch up.
I have played it and beaten it, I'm a souls veteran but I still stand by it that the final boss is hardest boss in any souls game I have played. I do not like the final boss but I appreciate it's existence.
The one thing i do find difficult but have managed to overcome, is the fact that some bosses are charging you instantly after you have entered the arena... Specifically, the commander guy riding the pig, the daragon on top of the mountain and the stupid sunflower haha... Love the dlc though. ❤
It uses a Sekiro leveling system. Which is honestly really smart, considering players had two years to grind their character. I'm having tons of fun. The new weapons and ashes of war are so cool.
I'm at the last boss at the moment and I'm one foot in the "too hard" camp. Not because I don't enjoy a good challenge, but because of the way these bosses are "challenging" me. Fromsoft games always been hard but fair, when you died, you could always tell what went wrong and from there come up with a counter. Combos were at a reasonable length and with clearcut punish windows. Many bosses in the DLC are so bloody fast with incredibly long combo and so many effects blocking your view, that you're just left there thinking "what the pickle am I supposed to do about that?!". It's by no means all the bosses, there's a few pushovers in there and I really enjoyed the madness boss. My main issue with the DLC is that it doesn't bring me the same sense of accomplishment when I kill a boss. Because of how incredibly fast and aggressive they are, the way they shorten and lengthen some combos to punish you for taking a punish window. It all just adds up to ruining my sense of accomplishment, it's no longer enough to Gid Gud, you also need to get lucky. A kill doesn't feel like you actually outplayed and outmatched the boss, it feels like you learned about half of the combos, panic rolled the rest and got lucky that one time. Killing a boss only brings me a feeling of relief that it's done, not a feeling of accomplishment that I did it. And the world feels utterly empty, yes there are permanent stat upgrades out there to encourage exploration, but that's about it. Because the DLC is set at the end of the first game, you'll already have plenty of upgrade materials and let's be honest, the crafting materials are as good as useless. There's hardly anything to find out there, sometimes literally, great swaths of the world utterly empty. I've 500+ hours in the base game but I don't think I'll replay the DLC and it's a crying shame as I was looking forward to it.
I adore it, both base game and dlc are perfect and greatly made with obvious passion. I do believe the last boss of the dlc needs some slight adjustments though.
During the first lion boss, I originally thought it was a bit unbalanced. After playing a lot more and reaching the final boss, I can say with full certainty that it is completely balanced. Some of the first bosses are pretty difficult, but once you collect a significant amount of scadutree fragments it gets much easier. I haven’t played many souls games and the longest one boss in the dlc took me was about 20 tries so far
The Shadow Blessing items make the DLC worth exploring. Any character weak or strong will feel helpless at the beginning of the dlc but after acquiring only a few of the blessing lvls u can feel the difference. To me u dont have to acquire all of them but its worth doing so. I feel its a good combination for a dlc because u now have a reason to explore and it rewards you quite well. Most challenging DLC in any of the souls games though. 10/10 DLC
So I finished the dlcs Final boss 2 days after release, for spoiler reasons I will not say their name if you somehow don't know who they are yet, and yes I used spirit summons. These summons along with the Scadutree Blessings only exist to help you in progression. I am hardly an above average gamer and I suck ass at elden ring, but I managed to do the dlc, in a brand new Ng save file, using means available to me, in under 72 hrs. I am now currently working on my summonless run and am in the progress of fighting Messmer. It's hard but doable. I dont see the issue, you play the game for it to be hard and they delivered
My only complaint personally are the those red Mesmer nights like nah the there’s is no time to attack you always have to trade because of that fire ball attack
I only had real trouble with two bosses and the most tries I needed for one of them is 7 total. Now, this is not meant to make me look "super good" at the game, I think calling myself average or slightly above is more accurate. But what I was, when entering the DLC, was well exercised. I started a whole new playthrough before Shadow of the Erdtree and I kinda impressed myself by crushing some bosses that always used to wipe the floor with me. I play these games for the learning curve and the DLC provided a fantastic one for me, personally.
I think the problem is people don’t have strong builds that tailor to their playstyle. A lotta people just stick with what they see other people using even though it’s not what they feel like they should be doing. Playing the game how you want to play it is the best way to ensure you beating the bosses. I’m a guy who loves maxing out his damage with a great sword and hey, I’ve beaten Mesmer in less than an hour
I think there are balance issues caused by the way they implemented the Scerdtree seeds. It”levels up” but it is hard to see the impact unless you jump two or three tiers rapidly and go back an area.
I haven’t had time to fully grind the dlc but I am taking my time exploring the land of shadows. I am currently fighting Rellanna and she is taking me quite a while. Through my little time with the dlc it is clear that it is a huge step up in difficulty. While I love the challenge and am enjoying learning new bosses/playstyle I get that others aren’t. But I think the reason the dlc appears so hard is that in my opinion it does not play like Elden Ring. It plays much faster as enemies are much more aggressive and relentless. They rarely give you an opening to comfortably heal and regroup. I had to completely change my build to keep up with Rellanna’s speed 😂😂. If anyone has any tips I’m all ears lol. Good luck fellow Tarnished.
The DLC is soul crushingly hard sometimes. Some of the bosses and even certain normal enemies feel like they've been designed to piss me off. And the metric-f*ck-tons of damage done by pretty much anything has been getting on my nerves more than a few times. However, that feeling of relief and accomplishment once you overcome an annoying area, or a boss that kicked your teeth in for the last hours is all the more satisfying. Coupled with awesome additions to the lore, some truly great areas, and quite a few of the best bosses Elden Ring has to offer, along with,as always, a banger soundtrack and so on, and this DLC is overall just fantastic, even if it's rage-inducing at times
it is hard sometimes annoyingly hard but it’s nice knowing i get to fight completely new and cool bosses and not have the opportunity or temptation to melt them with bleed it’s really fun in my opinion
What most people didn't understand about this DLC is that its a new equation. ER is a solved math problem by now and as long as you get your build right all is well. Unlike most other DLC in the series however, this doesn't present the same math problem with different variables, it presents a completely new math problem that players need to solve and the known solution does not apply. Here's a tip for anyone starting out: if in the base game an enemy had 50% magic resistance and 0% fire resistance with 1000hp, in this DLC that enemy has 2000hp and 70% magic resistance but still 0% fire resistance while you get to upgrade your blessing to do a lot more damage. So you need to adapt and use the right tool for the job. its no coincidence that the DLC throws a bunch of ancient dragon stones at you so you can upgrade more weapons.
I mean whoever is complaining just must have a skill issue because within 1 day of owning the dlc I beat every boss (most of them I beat with my first attempt except for Mesmer and Radahn)
I would say the enemies definitely have a massive amount hp but it's just an extra form of challenge just takes 5 years to kill a lot of enemies so you have to learn pattery
Im a few hours into the dlc. Just took down the Dancing Lion boss in Belurat. Im not trying to rush through the dlc, so im keeping pace with the difficulty creeping as im exploring. Im really enjoying the difficulty, its unforgiving but so satisfying when you finally make it. I ended the base game as a juggernaut, so having this difficulty spike makes for some fun and intense moments.
I think part of it is the new player base. Newer players are not accustomed to the level of difficulty in Soulsborne dlcs. However, I will say some of these bosses are the hardest I've fought in any souls game (I've played all of them, dlcs included). Some of the bosses you really have to take your time on. The final boss of SOTE feels similar in difficulty to the final boss of Sekiro, and is easily way harder than Melania. Don't expect to clear it easily with any random build. Be ready to make a project out of that fight and you'll be fine and cool-headed.
Ng6+ first time doing dlc with lev 200 character with main dex (low arcane, no incantations or sorceries) its hard as you want it to be, i didnt even figure the scudu frag were useful till after rellana and dancer) TLDR = hard but fun, the jackel snipers have taught me well
These bosses have been kicking my ass. I don't have the patience to beat every single one solo, but that doesn't stop me from having an unbelievable amount of fun with this DLC.
I've played the dlc since the first hour it dropped, yeah its some of the hardest souls content ive ever played but its so SO rewarding when i do manage to beat a boss that i found hard.
As someone who played the dlc myself I don't believe people are necessarily complaining about the difficulty but rather the bosses feel unfair. In other fromsoft games bosses have telegraphed attacks, thus when you die you feel like it was your fault for not dodging the attack correctly. On the other hand bosses like Commander Gaius in the dlc have janky hit boxes(especially the dash attack),unending combo strings that don't give you nearly enough time to heal and fast attacks that you don't see coming. All these combined makes for an unfair boss fight, which is most likely why it has mixed reviews.
As someone who doesn’t play from soft games, and only watches their friends play Elden ring on discord I immediately noticed something. If you were a cheesy player in base game (range attack spamming and summons) then the DLC crushes you, if you actually got decent at dodging and blocking then the DLC is playable. Again I don’t know shit cause I didn’t play it, this is just an observation I made in my small friend group
I've been playing elden ring for 2 years or so now and I'm on NG+8 at level 340 and ngl this dlc on new game plus is insanely hard but I've been waiting for a challenge and the bosses except the first one are hard so my opinion this makes it way funner
Loved it the whole way through. Played without summons and the challenge felt fair, rewarding, and most importantly fun. I sucked at the bosses at first too but I sat down, learned, and got good. The dlc really is some of Fromsoftware’s finest work.
DLC is actually too easy for my standards. How long did it take you to kill Margit? I killed all the Bosses in the DLC together faster than i beat Margit alone.
I actually like the hard changes because when you get to 250 plus nothing is a massive challenge and I’m having fun with my friends fixating on a challenge
I’ve played every souls game too, yeah the dlc is a tad bit too difficult for some people that don’t play souls games like I do, so I understand and I won’t tell you to get good but I will encourage you not to give up and keep trying cause it’s not impossible for anyone if they keep at it. And ITS OKAY TO USE SUMMONS IF THE BOSS IS STEAMROLLING YOU FOR HOURS, it don’t make u bad it makes you resourceful
It is hard but it’s what I expected and makes me feel awesome when I finally beat a boss which is how the game is my only complaint is I wish the story and lore was more clear or easy to follow with more cutscenes instead of having to read item descriptions or missing out on dialogue bc I got locked out of it or missed it but overall I love the game and the dlc I built to where I wreck the base game and if I did the same in the dlc I’d feel cheated for paying money for an easy dlc.
Bro so far through the dlc I've been chillin, to be fair, I've only reached shadowkeep just today, but even then we still be chillin w this stuff, rellana game me a lil trouble but overall wasnt too terrible
It is VERY hard, but not impossible. But to get everything, you have to be in the comments or checking lore videos & walkthroughs for sure if you are trying to make it even for the casual player. Summons & switching up your talismans to fit the boss fights & areas helps a lot if you can't find all tree fragmants.
I just started playing the game, I’ve actually figured some stuff out and got pretty ok at fighting, I killed a guy that randomly spawned in so I think it was another player but I’m not sure, I just fought a random boss and got a cool sword, I’m grinding to meet the standards to really use it
The dlc looks really fun, I've been watching my friend play through it since I haven't beaten the main game yet and he's literally getting every boss in 2 tries. So I think people just need to get good
So far, I’d say the DLC has been 10/10 on all fronts, amazing weapons, great cinematic, incredible world design, stunning art style and graphics, spectacular armour, and the difficulty isn’t that bad, it’s at the perfect level where you will die a lot, but the feeling of accomplishment is pride rather than, ‘thank god it’s over with’. Overall it’s definitely the best dlc from has ever made, and yes, I have also platinumed every souls game, and beaten all dlcs (except Sekiro)
Mate I get crushed in the base game. 40 hours in now where near complete. However the goat of Sekiro completed, platinumed and did a no death run. Tried no hit but always that odd thing swipes me
I played the dlc, killed every boss, Renalla, Mesmer, that pink Scorpio, the flower/tree, bayle the dragon, commander guya? The one on the hog behind black castle, frenzy flame guy and other. but radhan is my last one left, which I aim to kill in the next 2 days of grinding him
I just finished rellana the twin knight solo with my dagger +25, im starting to get really good at beating her so much so i might try naked with a wooden club.
I have played it/ haven’t beat it yet I got kids. I’m doing the dlc just fine at lvl 100 well most people are starting it around 200 and complaining about the difficulty. Literally explore and pick up the fragments you get super op super quick
Im playing the dlc on ng+7 and still enjoying myself. Now yes the bosses are difficult but ive beat every rememberance boss with a mix of skill and cheese if i can do it at ng7 then anyone can do it you just have to use the mechanics the game gives to you
I got stuck on the new Lord of frenzy flame boss and the ghost flame horse boss, but all I had to do it just level up a bit and memorize a little bit of there move sets and then I was golden. I got stuck on Consort Radhan, so I had to change me build to the cursed bloody pokey finger shield build and that finally did it........ After 15 hours of fighting him. 🤣🤣🤣 It really is the best DLC Fromsoft has ever made, it's REALLY hard but that's what makes it fun. So if you don't like harder games then, this DLC is not for the faint of heart.
Tbh Elden Ring was the first (and sometimes only) soulsgame for a lot of people and it is too easy. Simply because of the open world approach and the chance of over leveling and getting good gear early that comes with that. I really like that the dlc is different in this aspect.
I don't know if I'm just not deep enough into it, but I beat the dancing Lion first try, but I did summon the cooperator NPC. I don't consider myself very good at these games, but I was a really high level. Are people going in just super low level?
The DLC is majestically beautiful and truly expansive, the bosses are tough but mostly manageable… that being said I don’t see myself being able to defeat Promised Consort Radahn probably ever
I’m Currently 5/7 main bosses through, it may take a couple hours for a few bosses (like Rellana or Messmer) but it’s still manageable and definitely worth it. (For the record, I’m on NG+6 at level 520. So I was getting one-tapped by everything at first 😂) Regardless, I main dual godslayer great swords and don’t use summons. So if an average player like me or my friends can do it, then it’s definitely achievable 👍👍
From what I’ve played it’s pretty cool a lot of cools areas and bosses to kill and a lot of new weapons like you said it’s really only for people who actually play pretty much
Fights are definitely hard but enjoyable and also pretty memorable they really made it better, i just wish there were trophies to collect but stay focused while trying to fight the bosses it's better that way. P.S. the only thing i want them to fix is the drops me and my buddy will watch eachother kill ghostflame dragon and got different drops, or some of the npc invaders drop nothing at all.
Then it's not for them complaining. Honestly, I saw/heard so many during the base game skip so much. They left out testing news weapons, missed out on lvling up (Im LvL199 and Shadow of the Erdtree feels very brutal), and rushing through the game. They're also complaining that they have to beat Radahn and Mohg (they're main characters in the lore 😂). -- A beginning boss in Shadow/Erdtree, Blackgaol Knight, one shots so many players. Been farming as a phantom there for a few hours now and let me tell ya'... 😂 folks aren't ready. Also, use others to help you. Find those that will wait to get a 3rd player. I certainly do. If we have 3 we're more likely to win. -- Folks struggling... keep trying. Those willing to help... truly help out and be patient. We can 💪 lvl up as a community folks.
I feel like the DLC is hard but it's manageable they're probably not using any starred fragments or even summons I just finished the DLC and in my opinion it's perfect
Ironic. Those people can blame the fans who called the base game too easy. I got to Radahn The Promised Consort in a day. Though im still on him because he kicks my ass, and i also wanna complete some more of the side content 😅. This dlc is the best dlc ive ever played though, and should somehow get an exception and make goty.
I expected it to be hard what I didn’t expect was the ai to bend me over every three seconds I try and attack like I’m waiting for my turn and I barely got anything damage off because of it that’s my main gripe plus the grunts being extremely annoying
struggled through the DLC, it was hard, but not too hard... thats until i got to the last boss... that shit was way too hard. the jump in difficulty is insane. its like you have been fighting witch of hemwick the whole time, and now you got to fight 3 melanias at the same time.
My problem isn’t that it’s difficult, it’s why it is difficult. The difficulty doesn’t really come from bosses attack patterns but how much damage the bosses do per hit. When I die I feel cheated rather than beaten like I did in the base game. The difficulty feels kinda artificial instead of a genuine challenge.
The question then becomes, how else would you make a DLC challenging when by the time you get to it, you're already level 100+? They added in a mechanic(scadutree fragments/ashes) to scale your damage and toughness to that world and ONLY in that world. It works.
I am still playing through it. I am enjoying it as much as I am raging while playing it. I think that people forgot this is from software souls game and my guess is that since the base game was “easier” than its counterparts that the dlc was just gonna be easy. I like the challenge that is why I like the soulsbourne games!
I finished the dlc last night, it is very, very hard and the final boss made malenia feel easy, but I couldn’t have wanted anything more from the last piece of content for elden ring. The game gives you plenty of different ways to give yourself an edge and a lot of people in these reviews don’t use them and then complain. I challenged myself with a no summons or spirit ashes run and yeah the dlc kicked my ass but I loved every second of it, except for Gaius I feel everyone agrees the hitbox there needs some tweaking, but I still beat him nonetheless
The only bosses i have issues with are the pig man and the final boss. Both of which are difficult to the point of feeling unfair, and i do not enjoy beating a boss and still feeling annoyed after instead of accomplished. I think gimmick mechanics are the least fun thing about the difficult bosses of souls games. Like malenias waterfowl dance, for example, if you are using a heavier weapon and she starts the animation as you are swinging its either death or she gains her hp bar back. Its a gimmick that feels unfair and it's not enjoyable. The difference is that malenia has that one instance of it feeling unfun, where the dlc bosses have multiple. That shit is annoying. Everything else is amazing though. I love that atmosphere. Messmer was by far my favorite boss fight
Not gonna lie I have two game to finish before to be able to play the DLC so when I watched your video, I was hiding the gameplay so I can focused watching your face and you absolutely right for what you said in the video
My opinion: I'm loving it. I think they tailored the challenge to confront the criticisms such as "spirit ashes bad.... gold phantoms bad... etc." Good on you FromSoftware for leaning into the game and giving us a rewarding challenge while promoting the new mechanics that, (again in my opinion), are super-ultra-mega FUN.
dlc has always been the hardest part of every souls game, tf are they expecting
It's not hard it's just poorly designed bosses. All the other games also had "hard" bosses but no one complained.
@@asd-ik5er skill issue
@asd-ik5er the only boss design that was bad was the commander dude riding the boar, and in my opinion second phase radahn because my screen gets cluttered, and frames drop during the nuke attack
@@asd-ik5er. Insane lack of skill from u.
@@musicagomez3324 Insane lack of shower and deodorant from you
THESE MFS COMPLAINED ELDEN RING WAS TOO EASY AND THEYRE MAD ITS HARD NOW
@@titanium_germany Nah im playing Dagger build now.
Last time I checked barely anyone said it was too easy. You pulled that out of your arse.
@@titanium_germanyi love me some hookclaw gameplay
@@titanium_germanypeople win with fists. Just requires to get better and develop your character.
@@titanium_germanyI don’t even know what the meta is, I just play incredibly defensive and sneak hits in whenever I can and it eventually gets the job done
My roommate is very big into Elden Ring. He never raged before the DLC but now he’s got to turn off the game and go smoke a cigerette every couple hours😂
He's so real for that because same
Relatable
Same
he got fucked(by the game) that hard huh
Relatable but once you realise what scadutree fragments are and what they do you'll be fine, increased damage negation and increased attk power
I’m level 277 and I thought I was in a good spot for the DLC but I was wrong😂. So far all the bosses I’ve fought seem to be around the caliber of Malenia and Maliketh. This all stems from the fact that these new bosses have massive health pools, long combo streams, and on top of that they don’t seem to be as susceptible to bleed, frost, and whatever else I’ve been throwing at them unlike the bosses outside of the dlc.
Prior to this I kept playing with people online to help as many people get through Malenia as possible and to also help take off some rust I may have had from being away from the game for about a year. I even met “Let me Solo her” during this and I didn’t believe it was him till dood actually solo’ed her😂.
But regardless of how much prep I’ve put in, the only thing that’s been getting me through these bosses and staying sane is being able to stay as calm as possible whenever I’m getting pressured by em. This is something I worked on while fighting Malenia over and over again.
And while I think some nerfs might happen in the future, I’d just appreciate the devs just fixing how buggy the game feels after I downloaded the DLC cause some bosses lag mid fight making it just that much more egregious to beet them. Shit is not sweet people so if you want to even stand a chance against some of these bosses get stronger and bring your A game. I wish y’all the best🫡
Yea I can definitely see what you mean about the rage thing. I've been frequently talking in vc's with my friends while we all play through the dlcs, and they've been going mentally insane with their rage💀 while I've just been laughing, and enjoying myself in my struggle. I use to have similar issues as them, where I'd just rage about getting my ass kicked, but the souls games got me to stop with that, and it makes the games alot more enjoyable as a result.
And then you run into Messmer whatever and realize his difficulty is Maliketh and Melania combined
I’m almost done with the dlc as a melee build. It’s been tough but definitely fun! I personally haven’t experienced any bugs (aside from a visual glitch in some catacomb 😂)
-so good luck guys, the victories are definitely achievable!
Soloed most of the main bosses. It's just skill issue
Yes bro when I am in the boss fight I felt like the dodge was damn slow though I have light load .It just lags in the boss fight 🥲
I remember walking through Ringed City getting kicked in the teeth by something waiting around every other corner. From’s DLCs gave always been harder because they’re designed for high level builds and don’t want to be a cake walk.
Grinding to get max level blessing was the best. Shit feels way better
My take on this situation: I’m a new gen souls player, I’ve only played er, a little bit of sekiro and bb, but mainly er, when playing through the base game, I always thought it was too easy (barring malenia) so the MASSIVE difficulty spike on this dlc has made me VERY happy. All of these “hardcore” souls players complaining that the dlc is too hard fail to see Miyazaki’s dream in making a truly difficult game, and in general are starting to piss me off, there is a reason that the souls communities main quote is “Git Gud”. I’ve just beat the final boss recently (at least 20x harder than malenia) and I still have 16-17 more runs with new weapons and incantations that I still want to do, beating all of base game and all of the dlc in every run. I also look forward to playing sekiro later, as I’ve heard that the game is very hard, so wish me luck that it doesn’t disappoint (:
Edit: when I say final boss I mean the final boss of the dlc, not radabeast, they were a pushover
Its tough, but its always been managable. If yer really struggling with the bosses, help others do them. Use the spirit ashes. Tische makes every boss easy still haha. Also some of the DLC bosses are very tough. But nothing it's even close too Malenia or Maliketh so far.
Rellana, twin moon knight: allow me to introduce myself
You fight messmer yet?
Someone hasn’t met rellana yet it seems.
@@birthebird4154 I have fought her. Shes pretty early in the DLC I think. Shes tough, but she aint no Malenia. Cool as hell tho. Im pretty far in, and have two bosses available to fight. Just waiting for friends to catch up.
@@rrarn-jk3ov Havent but im excited to.
I have played it and beaten it, I'm a souls veteran but I still stand by it that the final boss is hardest boss in any souls game I have played. I do not like the final boss but I appreciate it's existence.
The one thing i do find difficult but have managed to overcome, is the fact that some bosses are charging you instantly after you have entered the arena... Specifically, the commander guy riding the pig, the daragon on top of the mountain and the stupid sunflower haha... Love the dlc though. ❤
It uses a Sekiro leveling system. Which is honestly really smart, considering players had two years to grind their character. I'm having tons of fun. The new weapons and ashes of war are so cool.
I haven’t had much time to play, but that dancing lion guy was a difficult fight
I'm at the last boss at the moment and I'm one foot in the "too hard" camp. Not because I don't enjoy a good challenge, but because of the way these bosses are "challenging" me.
Fromsoft games always been hard but fair, when you died, you could always tell what went wrong and from there come up with a counter. Combos were at a reasonable length and with clearcut punish windows.
Many bosses in the DLC are so bloody fast with incredibly long combo and so many effects blocking your view, that you're just left there thinking "what the pickle am I supposed to do about that?!".
It's by no means all the bosses, there's a few pushovers in there and I really enjoyed the madness boss.
My main issue with the DLC is that it doesn't bring me the same sense of accomplishment when I kill a boss. Because of how incredibly fast and aggressive they are, the way they shorten and lengthen some combos to punish you for taking a punish window.
It all just adds up to ruining my sense of accomplishment, it's no longer enough to Gid Gud, you also need to get lucky. A kill doesn't feel like you actually outplayed and outmatched the boss, it feels like you learned about half of the combos, panic rolled the rest and got lucky that one time.
Killing a boss only brings me a feeling of relief that it's done, not a feeling of accomplishment that I did it.
And the world feels utterly empty, yes there are permanent stat upgrades out there to encourage exploration, but that's about it. Because the DLC is set at the end of the first game, you'll already have plenty of upgrade materials and let's be honest, the crafting materials are as good as useless. There's hardly anything to find out there, sometimes literally, great swaths of the world utterly empty.
I've 500+ hours in the base game but I don't think I'll replay the DLC and it's a crying shame as I was looking forward to it.
I adore it, both base game and dlc are perfect and greatly made with obvious passion.
I do believe the last boss of the dlc needs some slight adjustments though.
During the first lion boss, I originally thought it was a bit unbalanced. After playing a lot more and reaching the final boss, I can say with full certainty that it is completely balanced. Some of the first bosses are pretty difficult, but once you collect a significant amount of scadutree fragments it gets much easier. I haven’t played many souls games and the longest one boss in the dlc took me was about 20 tries so far
Being Too Hard is a selling point
The bug saint was a damn nightmare for me ( around 5-6 hours )
The Shadow Blessing items make the DLC worth exploring. Any character weak or strong will feel helpless at the beginning of the dlc but after acquiring only a few of the blessing lvls u can feel the difference. To me u dont have to acquire all of them but its worth doing so. I feel its a good combination for a dlc because u now have a reason to explore and it rewards you quite well. Most challenging DLC in any of the souls games though. 10/10 DLC
So I finished the dlcs Final boss 2 days after release, for spoiler reasons I will not say their name if you somehow don't know who they are yet, and yes I used spirit summons. These summons along with the Scadutree Blessings only exist to help you in progression. I am hardly an above average gamer and I suck ass at elden ring, but I managed to do the dlc, in a brand new Ng save file, using means available to me, in under 72 hrs. I am now currently working on my summonless run and am in the progress of fighting Messmer. It's hard but doable. I dont see the issue, you play the game for it to be hard and they delivered
This dlc play out quite well for me, most boss have certain weakness can be overcome. The only struggle i have is porcupine hippo
My only complaint personally are the those red Mesmer nights like nah the there’s is no time to attack you always have to trade because of that fire ball attack
I only had real trouble with two bosses and the most tries I needed for one of them is 7 total. Now, this is not meant to make me look "super good" at the game, I think calling myself average or slightly above is more accurate. But what I was, when entering the DLC, was well exercised. I started a whole new playthrough before Shadow of the Erdtree and I kinda impressed myself by crushing some bosses that always used to wipe the floor with me.
I play these games for the learning curve and the DLC provided a fantastic one for me, personally.
I think the problem is people don’t have strong builds that tailor to their playstyle. A lotta people just stick with what they see other people using even though it’s not what they feel like they should be doing. Playing the game how you want to play it is the best way to ensure you beating the bosses. I’m a guy who loves maxing out his damage with a great sword and hey, I’ve beaten Mesmer in less than an hour
Got all bosses in 2 days however there was a lot of build crafting that had to be done for bosses some playstyles will heavily struggle in this dlc
I think there are balance issues caused by the way they implemented the Scerdtree seeds. It”levels up” but it is hard to see the impact unless you jump two or three tiers rapidly and go back an area.
I haven’t had time to fully grind the dlc but I am taking my time exploring the land of shadows. I am currently fighting Rellanna and she is taking me quite a while. Through my little time with the dlc it is clear that it is a huge step up in difficulty. While I love the challenge and am enjoying learning new bosses/playstyle I get that others aren’t. But I think the reason the dlc appears so hard is that in my opinion it does not play like Elden Ring. It plays much faster as enemies are much more aggressive and relentless. They rarely give you an opening to comfortably heal and regroup. I had to completely change my build to keep up with Rellanna’s speed 😂😂. If anyone has any tips I’m all ears lol. Good luck fellow Tarnished.
The DLC is soul crushingly hard sometimes. Some of the bosses and even certain normal enemies feel like they've been designed to piss me off. And the metric-f*ck-tons of damage done by pretty much anything has been getting on my nerves more than a few times. However, that feeling of relief and accomplishment once you overcome an annoying area, or a boss that kicked your teeth in for the last hours is all the more satisfying. Coupled with awesome additions to the lore, some truly great areas, and quite a few of the best bosses Elden Ring has to offer, along with,as always, a banger soundtrack and so on, and this DLC is overall just fantastic, even if it's rage-inducing at times
it is hard sometimes annoyingly hard but it’s nice knowing i get to fight completely new and cool bosses and not have the opportunity or temptation to melt them with bleed it’s really fun in my opinion
What most people didn't understand about this DLC is that its a new equation. ER is a solved math problem by now and as long as you get your build right all is well. Unlike most other DLC in the series however, this doesn't present the same math problem with different variables, it presents a completely new math problem that players need to solve and the known solution does not apply. Here's a tip for anyone starting out: if in the base game an enemy had 50% magic resistance and 0% fire resistance with 1000hp, in this DLC that enemy has 2000hp and 70% magic resistance but still 0% fire resistance while you get to upgrade your blessing to do a lot more damage. So you need to adapt and use the right tool for the job. its no coincidence that the DLC throws a bunch of ancient dragon stones at you so you can upgrade more weapons.
I mean whoever is complaining just must have a skill issue because within 1 day of owning the dlc I beat every boss (most of them I beat with my first attempt except for Mesmer and Radahn)
I would say the enemies definitely have a massive amount hp but it's just an extra form of challenge just takes 5 years to kill a lot of enemies so you have to learn pattery
Im a few hours into the dlc. Just took down the Dancing Lion boss in Belurat. Im not trying to rush through the dlc, so im keeping pace with the difficulty creeping as im exploring. Im really enjoying the difficulty, its unforgiving but so satisfying when you finally make it. I ended the base game as a juggernaut, so having this difficulty spike makes for some fun and intense moments.
I think part of it is the new player base. Newer players are not accustomed to the level of difficulty in Soulsborne dlcs. However, I will say some of these bosses are the hardest I've fought in any souls game (I've played all of them, dlcs included). Some of the bosses you really have to take your time on. The final boss of SOTE feels similar in difficulty to the final boss of Sekiro, and is easily way harder than Melania. Don't expect to clear it easily with any random build. Be ready to make a project out of that fight and you'll be fine and cool-headed.
Ng6+ first time doing dlc with lev 200 character with main dex (low arcane, no incantations or sorceries) its hard as you want it to be, i didnt even figure the scudu frag were useful till after rellana and dancer)
TLDR = hard but fun, the jackel snipers have taught me well
These bosses have been kicking my ass. I don't have the patience to beat every single one solo, but that doesn't stop me from having an unbelievable amount of fun with this DLC.
They made the summons to be used, they have obviously designed certain encounters expecting summons to be used against them.
I've played the dlc since the first hour it dropped, yeah its some of the hardest souls content ive ever played but its so SO rewarding when i do manage to beat a boss that i found hard.
As someone who played the dlc myself I don't believe people are necessarily complaining about the difficulty but rather the bosses feel unfair. In other fromsoft games bosses have telegraphed attacks, thus when you die you feel like it was your fault for not dodging the attack correctly. On the other hand bosses like Commander Gaius in the dlc have janky hit boxes(especially the dash attack),unending combo strings that don't give you nearly enough time to heal and fast attacks that you don't see coming. All these combined makes for an unfair boss fight, which is most likely why it has mixed reviews.
As someone who doesn’t play from soft games, and only watches their friends play Elden ring on discord I immediately noticed something. If you were a cheesy player in base game (range attack spamming and summons) then the DLC crushes you, if you actually got decent at dodging and blocking then the DLC is playable. Again I don’t know shit cause I didn’t play it, this is just an observation I made in my small friend group
I've been playing elden ring for 2 years or so now and I'm on NG+8 at level 340 and ngl this dlc on new game plus is insanely hard but I've been waiting for a challenge and the bosses except the first one are hard so my opinion this makes it way funner
The only boss that can be considered kinda impossible is P.C.R (acronyms for spoilers) but people have beat it so it can’t be impossible
Loved it the whole way through. Played without summons and the challenge felt fair, rewarding, and most importantly fun. I sucked at the bosses at first too but I sat down, learned, and got good. The dlc really is some of Fromsoftware’s finest work.
DLC is actually too easy for my standards. How long did it take you to kill Margit? I killed all the Bosses in the DLC together faster than i beat Margit alone.
The difficulty difference between the regular mobs and the bosses is gigantic compared to vanilla.
Its so hard i just go back to the regular world and play but i got all the spells and stuff i wanted from the game that's all i needed
I actually like the hard changes because when you get to 250 plus nothing is a massive challenge and I’m having fun with my friends fixating on a challenge
Played it and finished it. Currently working through my next NG+ to play it again.
I’ve played every souls game too, yeah the dlc is a tad bit too difficult for some people that don’t play souls games like I do, so I understand and I won’t tell you to get good but I will encourage you not to give up and keep trying cause it’s not impossible for anyone if they keep at it. And ITS OKAY TO USE SUMMONS IF THE BOSS IS STEAMROLLING YOU FOR HOURS, it don’t make u bad it makes you resourceful
It is hard but it’s what I expected and makes me feel awesome when I finally beat a boss which is how the game is my only complaint is I wish the story and lore was more clear or easy to follow with more cutscenes instead of having to read item descriptions or missing out on dialogue bc I got locked out of it or missed it but overall I love the game and the dlc I built to where I wreck the base game and if I did the same in the dlc I’d feel cheated for paying money for an easy dlc.
Bro so far through the dlc I've been chillin, to be fair, I've only reached shadowkeep just today, but even then we still be chillin w this stuff, rellana game me a lil trouble but overall wasnt too terrible
It is VERY hard, but not impossible.
But to get everything, you have to be in the comments or checking lore videos & walkthroughs for sure if you are trying to make it even for the casual player.
Summons & switching up your talismans to fit the boss fights & areas helps a lot if you can't find all tree fragmants.
I love the challenge. Will i get frustrated? Sure! However, that sweet victory when I finally win is the best.
I only had issues with the final boss.
I did eventually win but i used cheap strategies and felt empty for it but that boss was so god damn hard.
Me a level 150 character with the bloodhound fang and somehow breezing through the entire thing😅
I just started playing the game, I’ve actually figured some stuff out and got pretty ok at fighting, I killed a guy that randomly spawned in so I think it was another player but I’m not sure, I just fought a random boss and got a cool sword, I’m grinding to meet the standards to really use it
Scaturdtree blessingd id a thing for a reason
Because they think “big bonky stick is all I need” which is wrong use the scadutree fragments use revered spirit ashes it is a tool,
Not a crutch
It makes it feel like I just started. Such a good DLC bro.
The dlc looks really fun, I've been watching my friend play through it since I haven't beaten the main game yet and he's literally getting every boss in 2 tries. So I think people just need to get good
So far, I’d say the DLC has been 10/10 on all fronts, amazing weapons, great cinematic, incredible world design, stunning art style and graphics, spectacular armour, and the difficulty isn’t that bad, it’s at the perfect level where you will die a lot, but the feeling of accomplishment is pride rather than, ‘thank god it’s over with’. Overall it’s definitely the best dlc from has ever made, and yes, I have also platinumed every souls game, and beaten all dlcs (except Sekiro)
Mate I get crushed in the base game. 40 hours in now where near complete. However the goat of Sekiro completed, platinumed and did a no death run. Tried no hit but always that odd thing swipes me
I played the dlc, killed every boss, Renalla, Mesmer, that pink Scorpio, the flower/tree, bayle the dragon, commander guya? The one on the hog behind black castle, frenzy flame guy and other. but radhan is my last one left, which I aim to kill in the next 2 days of grinding him
Me, somehow clapping the whole dlc using, of all things, the Gargoyle Greatsword, the Erdtree Bow and beast magic.
I just finished rellana the twin knight solo with my dagger +25, im starting to get really good at beating her so much so i might try naked with a wooden club.
I have played it/ haven’t beat it yet I got kids. I’m doing the dlc just fine at lvl 100 well most people are starting it around 200 and complaining about the difficulty. Literally explore and pick up the fragments you get super op super quick
Im playing the dlc on ng+7 and still enjoying myself. Now yes the bosses are difficult but ive beat every rememberance boss with a mix of skill and cheese if i can do it at ng7 then anyone can do it you just have to use the mechanics the game gives to you
I got stuck on the new Lord of frenzy flame boss and the ghost flame horse boss, but all I had to do it just level up a bit and memorize a little bit of there move sets and then I was golden. I got stuck on Consort Radhan, so I had to change me build to the cursed bloody pokey finger shield build and that finally did it........ After 15 hours of fighting him. 🤣🤣🤣 It really is the best DLC Fromsoft has ever made, it's REALLY hard but that's what makes it fun. So if you don't like harder games then, this DLC is not for the faint of heart.
PLAYERS WHEN YOU DONT GET THE DLC SPECIFIC ITEMS TO LEVEL YOURSELF UP
Tbh Elden Ring was the first (and sometimes only) soulsgame for a lot of people and it is too easy. Simply because of the open world approach and the chance of over leveling and getting good gear early that comes with that. I really like that the dlc is different in this aspect.
And i just watched some dude with a lvl 1 nude char with starfists for hands beat the boss no hit. Its crazy.
I don't know if I'm just not deep enough into it, but I beat the dancing Lion first try, but I did summon the cooperator NPC. I don't consider myself very good at these games, but I was a really high level. Are people going in just super low level?
The DLC is majestically beautiful and truly expansive, the bosses are tough but mostly manageable… that being said I don’t see myself being able to defeat Promised Consort Radahn probably ever
They also have to consider most people playing the dlc are either at the endgame or have beaten it
Bayle is so cool tho I mean it’s a rough fight but seeing that second phase for the first time took me back to the first time I saw placidusaxs nuke
Every time I think of the dlc I just hear the Homelander it’s perfect meme replay over and over in my head
I’m Currently 5/7 main bosses through, it may take a couple hours for a few bosses (like Rellana or Messmer) but it’s still manageable and definitely worth it.
(For the record, I’m on NG+6 at level 520. So I was getting one-tapped by everything at first 😂)
Regardless, I main dual godslayer great swords and don’t use summons. So if an average player like me or my friends can do it, then it’s definitely achievable 👍👍
From what I’ve played it’s pretty cool a lot of cools areas and bosses to kill and a lot of new weapons like you said it’s really only for people who actually play pretty much
Fights are definitely hard but enjoyable and also pretty memorable they really made it better, i just wish there were trophies to collect but stay focused while trying to fight the bosses it's better that way.
P.S. the only thing i want them to fix is the drops me and my buddy will watch eachother kill ghostflame dragon and got different drops, or some of the npc invaders drop nothing at all.
I think its absolutely phenomenal but i have 2 issues. The frame rate drops for giant attacks and the final boss being unfairly difficult at times
"Put these foolish ambition to rest" margit.
It is for sure harder than I thought it was going to be but I'm absolutely loving it
I'm pretty sure Miyazaki stated that the dlc is tailored for people who have the willpower to go through it
Then it's not for them complaining. Honestly, I saw/heard so many during the base game skip so much. They left out testing news weapons, missed out on lvling up (Im LvL199 and Shadow of the Erdtree feels very brutal), and rushing through the game. They're also complaining that they have to beat Radahn and Mohg (they're main characters in the lore 😂).
-- A beginning boss in Shadow/Erdtree, Blackgaol Knight, one shots so many players. Been farming as a phantom there for a few hours now and let me tell ya'... 😂 folks aren't ready. Also, use others to help you. Find those that will wait to get a 3rd player. I certainly do. If we have 3 we're more likely to win.
-- Folks struggling... keep trying. Those willing to help... truly help out and be patient. We can 💪 lvl up as a community folks.
I feel like the DLC is hard but it's manageable they're probably not using any starred fragments or even summons I just finished the DLC and in my opinion it's perfect
If you use mimics and the fragments it becomes on a similar level to the base game, which isn't impossible at all. So yeah I agree
I finished the dlc yesterday , and i think since i missed several quests im going to do a new game plus which will be journey 4 wish me luck
I feel like they forgot about the past souls games' DLCs and their bosses because the hardest bosses are ALWAYS ( *ALWAYS* ) in the DLC
Ironic. Those people can blame the fans who called the base game too easy. I got to Radahn The Promised Consort in a day. Though im still on him because he kicks my ass, and i also wanna complete some more of the side content 😅. This dlc is the best dlc ive ever played though, and should somehow get an exception and make goty.
I expected it to be hard what I didn’t expect was the ai to bend me over every three seconds I try and attack like I’m waiting for my turn and I barely got anything damage off because of it that’s my main gripe plus the grunts being extremely annoying
struggled through the DLC, it was hard, but not too hard... thats until i got to the last boss... that shit was way too hard. the jump in difficulty is insane. its like you have been fighting witch of hemwick the whole time, and now you got to fight 3 melanias at the same time.
IS IT JUST ME OR WHENEVER I GO INTO A FRICKEN ROOM WITH A SPIDER MY GAME GOES TO 1 FRAME PER A SEC
Same thing happened with me but in the main game not the dlc. (On console) it just stuttered until I went back to the round table
My problem isn’t that it’s difficult, it’s why it is difficult. The difficulty doesn’t really come from bosses attack patterns but how much damage the bosses do per hit. When I die I feel cheated rather than beaten like I did in the base game. The difficulty feels kinda artificial instead of a genuine challenge.
The question then becomes, how else would you make a DLC challenging when by the time you get to it, you're already level 100+? They added in a mechanic(scadutree fragments/ashes) to scale your damage and toughness to that world and ONLY in that world. It works.
@@rocingersol1875 I’ve since finished the dlc and no longer agree with my original statement.
I don’t even play fromsoftware games and my first thought is “what the hell did you expect?”😂
Some people paid 100 dollars just to get filtered. 💀
And the fact is that those are the same people who were saying Elden ring was to easy
Bro... Bayle the dread is the coolest boss in the game now, along with the hardest
I am still playing through it. I am enjoying it as much as I am raging while playing it. I think that people forgot this is from software souls game and my guess is that since the base game was “easier” than its counterparts that the dlc was just gonna be easy. I like the challenge that is why I like the soulsbourne games!
I finished the dlc last night, it is very, very hard and the final boss made malenia feel easy, but I couldn’t have wanted anything more from the last piece of content for elden ring. The game gives you plenty of different ways to give yourself an edge and a lot of people in these reviews don’t use them and then complain. I challenged myself with a no summons or spirit ashes run and yeah the dlc kicked my ass but I loved every second of it, except for Gaius I feel everyone agrees the hitbox there needs some tweaking, but I still beat him nonetheless
The only bosses i have issues with are the pig man and the final boss. Both of which are difficult to the point of feeling unfair, and i do not enjoy beating a boss and still feeling annoyed after instead of accomplished. I think gimmick mechanics are the least fun thing about the difficult bosses of souls games. Like malenias waterfowl dance, for example, if you are using a heavier weapon and she starts the animation as you are swinging its either death or she gains her hp bar back. Its a gimmick that feels unfair and it's not enjoyable. The difference is that malenia has that one instance of it feeling unfun, where the dlc bosses have multiple. That shit is annoying. Everything else is amazing though. I love that atmosphere. Messmer was by far my favorite boss fight
I just bought Elden Ring after completing DS 1, 2 and 3. Wish me luck for another Tarnished enters the Lands In Between
Not gonna lie I have two game to finish before to be able to play the DLC so when I watched your video, I was hiding the gameplay so I can focused watching your face and you absolutely right for what you said in the video
My opinion: I'm loving it. I think they tailored the challenge to confront the criticisms such as "spirit ashes bad.... gold phantoms bad... etc." Good on you FromSoftware for leaning into the game and giving us a rewarding challenge while promoting the new mechanics that, (again in my opinion), are super-ultra-mega FUN.