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Is it just me or is anyone else getting Sam Tarley vibes from Simon Strong if, of course, Sam was 30 or 40 years older.
I literally said the same exact thing to my buddy last night!
Me too
I knew he reminded me of someone, but I couldn't quite put my fat pink mast on it... but you're right, he has the Sam mannerisms and all ^^
it couldn't possibly be because he's a heavier guy could it
@@b1bbscraz3y they have very similar mannerisms as well but you’re not wrong, being a fat guy helps with comparison lol
Anyone else find it odd cole waited until getting back to Kings landing before cleaning the blood off his sword
1:02:30 - I want to point out that the superchat is not correct. Heleana didn't say she didn't feel sad. She says that she thinks she "ought not to be sad." In other words, she's repressing her sadness. Repressing your emotions tends to not work in the long run and eventually backfire and explode. Her not acting grieved outside but having to repress a lot of grief inside is not a crazy thing to lead to a suicide. In fact, a lot of depressed people look perfectly normal on the outside until the day they end it.
Amen to that, my friend
Like Tommen. RIP Tommen.
@@nont18411 i have an awful feeling they will mirror that long shot where he jumps.
@@nont18411 well we didn't get anything saying Tommen was depressed. he just witnessed his queen and several other people get blown up and he knew his mother was behind it. he stepped out the window almost immediately after seeing it
@@Hazelcakethey already did mirror that shot but it was aegon jerking off outside if his window. Millions of little aegons flying to their death
I really thought that Damien love scene was going to end with him having sex with Alice Rivers and she was using glamours and such to trick him into it
Who says it wasn't her, I still think its likely
@@Valcurdra
We really don't know whether she's a witch or not.
She explained Daemon's dreams by saying he was sleeping on a bed made of weirwood.
@@alanpennie True, but she can definitely see things and make predictions. But you are right, we have no idea if she is influencing him at all.
Her potion actually did exactly what she said it would, it made him drowsy.
>Sunfyre clearly breathing at the end of episode 4
>Cole saying they left Sunfyre behind to “guard” Rook’s Rest
>Joffrey recounting Rhaenyra being eaten by Aegon’s dragon
>Franchise notorious for characters acting on partial, false, or misunderstood information
Fans: “Rhaenyra says Sunfyre is dead!!! What’s gonna happen from this retcon?!?!?!”
This is also the same franchise with “just because this character is dead with their body right in your face, still doesn’t mean they are really dead”.
Just look at Beric, Catelyn, Gregor and Jon.
Green propaganda. Rhaenyra chose to step aside for her son Aegon III and lived for a good 400 years only self immolating her after the battle at the trident after hearing the tragic news of her R word grandchild Rhaegar perishing.
I think Cole said they left men behind to guard Rook's Rest and the body of Sunfyre. I also think (know) Sunfyre should still be alive. but it seems they're clearly making every character's dialogue choice imply that he's dead to throw the audience off
Can’t wait to see the dream sequence of Daemon and Viserys sex scene next episode. Who says no?
Nah, it’s gonna be Baby Baelon or him fucking Aemma as a power move
No
@@DibsEquippedwhere’s your sense of adventure
@@SvenDzahov I mean I liked the mom scene. Brother on brother is fucking disgusting to me.
@@DibsEquippedyou afraid of brotherly love?
I thought it was a really good, fun episode. When Daemon stares at Willam I was expecting Preston’s intro to play.
It has been a long time since I read the books, but I think I recall Sam Tarley presenting a letter of recommendation written by Maester Aemon when he shows up at the citadel and an implication that he would have been turned away without that letter. I think the social demographics of the Maesters can easily be explained if admission to the Citadel requires such a sponsorship by an existing Maester who has already forged his full chain, especially if each master has a limited number of sponsorships. (Maybe each Maester can sponsor one student at a time, and then cannot sponsor another until the first pupil forges his chain? That would encourage only sponsoring those who they think can graduate quickly.) Most Maesters serve lords in their castles and educate their children from a young age, and don't have a lot of interaction with the smallfolk, so they are very likely to recommend the younger sons of their castle's lord and would only recommend smallfolk who stand out as particularly gifted. Most smallfolk and even many lesser lords are illiterate, and so would have no chance of being admitted.
It's kinda like the knight thing "only a knight can make another knight"
I recall that in Fire and Blood it was said that Vermithor was the best trained of all the dragons, the most comfortable around humans and the easiest to handle despite being bigger than any dragon but Vhagar.
I loved this episode, it was the (almost) perfect cool-down.
Decent episode, but I find it odd how they're writing Alys. She's a peace-loving champion of the smallfolk now? Gonna be interesting to see how that evolves given what Aemond does. And the whole "women love peace and men love war" shtick is getting really old. They really love beating us over the head with it, and it's a bit excessive in its lack of subtlety. Do we really need the witch lover of Aemond to be yet another spokesperson for the virtues of restraint and the plight of the commoner?
I'd also like to mention that despite Alys' dialogue suggesting that the weak and the women are the ones who suffer in war, the reality is that almost everyone suffers in war, and most of the people who die are young men and boys who are sent off to die for people they never met, and in wars they didn't start, don't want, and don't always fully understand.
Men are not all bloodthirsty beasts who relish war, and women are not all powerless peace-lovers, so let's please all have a bit more complexity to this stuff.
For real, I got behind changing Alicent's power-hungry book character, but now Rhaenyra seems to have forgotten that they killed her kid and doesn't want revenge anymore or at least has no plans for revenge it seems. All she does is whine- except for Rhaenys and Baela, a lot of the female characters have been disappointing for me
I kinda got an impression Alys doesn't exist. She's just in Daemon's head.
They are beating us over the head with "women love peace and men love war" because that's what they're told in this world that's how they're supposed to be and then you expect it equal distribution of traits between men and women and it's not like all you get is women no war, men war, you get rhaenyra and jace are going through and feeling the same thing kinda the point of the episode and many more, and it's a big asoiaf theme too, so idk why you wouldn't want it to be ever present in this show that's about the place of men and women in society and war
Yep I rolled my eyes at that scene
This is why Symon Strong and Hugh The Hammer are my two favourite characters in the show
The legitimate children of bastards often chose surnames that are based on their parents' bastard names but not the same. The most notable example is how House Longwaters descend from two bastards named Waters.
In general, smallfolk don't have surnames. Knights who are born without surnames may chose whatever surname they want, within reason. (A random lowborn hedge knight couldn't Pick a name like Stark and Targaryen with no tied to those houses, of course. Ser Perkin's squire Trystane wanted to use the surname Truefyre, but in Mushroom's account when he was knighted by Ser Marston Waters "Truefyre" was considered presumptuous, so they just dubbed him Ser Trystane Fyre.)
The river lords standing up to Daemon could have easily been a super powerful scene but there was something weird and off about. They might have shot themselves in the foot by adding the mind trip/ Alice rivers thing in that scene. I can’t put it in to words but it felt like it was meant to be more impactful. Also this isn’t just in this episode but the table meetings on the green side have been consistently great and interesting, whereas the table scenes for the blacks have been consistently uninteresting, and lackluster. They all kind of sound the same. “I’m the queen! I must do this! -“no! your the queen, you can not do this” “ what should we do? -no! We can’t do that!” “ what about Daemon?” “Daemon ain’t shit” I wish we could see some Rob stark/tywin Lannister battle strategy taking place. At least on the green side you had some Aemond/ Christin Cole strategy conversations.
I think a big reason the black council scenes are so flat is because we don’t know any of these old dudes on her council. They were really never introduced and you’re right, it feels like they are never actually discussing strategy. They just keep pointing out how they don’t have a land army
@@Gary915 you nailed it. and the sad part is, they’re the team with the cool map table. Show me/us what lands these dudes hold, as well as their other allies. Show us where the greens have support, let’s see some chess pieces move across the board. I feel like I’m not asking for too much. in this very episode Rhaynera says she wasn’t trained to wheeled a sword but instead memorized every lord in the kingdom (to that effect) why not show us that information with actual war strategy conversations. It would make the scenes richer and make the world feel larger when you hear more of the kingdoms houses, lands, and lords
@@PaiMeiofthelotusclan
I do think conversations about which lords they could recruit would get old quickly.
@@alanpennie you have to strike the right balance for sure, and I guess I’m a sucker for battle strategy. I do feel like there’s more of it on the green side so far and I’m disappointed we don’t get the equivalent on the black side. I’m getting tired of their unproductive table scenes
@@PaiMeiofthelotusclan
Have to agree on that last point.
The Black Council is undeniably dull.
The Whale is to Carmine as the Peach is to Stannis 😂
I really hope the Daemon halucinations story line culminates in a scene where he meets his brother again and finally can clear his relationship with him. I still dont know if he loved him, hated him, envied him, wanted his crown or what? They have showed so many conflicting emotions about him that i have no idea.
It won't end like that
@@TheTonyEntertainment how will it end then? Will we ever know the nature of Daemon's relationship to his brother?
@@mtrunkello I really don't think so, man. I think the most clear thing was when he crowned his brother and helped him walked to the iron throne
@@TheTonyEntertainment yeah i thought that was it. But then he didnt even mourn him, called him weak and unworthy, thought he only named Rhaenyra heir because he was afraid of him etc etc... it seems like they are still flip-flopping on this
Renly Stannis peach scene could be Renly threatening Stannis that he will be impeached if he continues behaving that way.
8:02 - I didn't find the episode boring, it did keep my attention. However, it was definitely the weakest episode this season, in my opinion. It definitely felt like it was spinning its wheels a bit.
I actually do like where they're going with Daemon this episode, his tendency towards violence costs them the Riverlords and he's slowly becoming more and more willing to become king, but I think they're doing it too slowly. I feel like it could've been compressed. But, then again, this is probably George's fault with how F&B was written. How DO you adapt that in a TV show?
I think maybe what they should've done is cut all of Daemon's scenes in episode 3 altogether. So that as Rhaenyra is wondering where the hell Daemon is and what he's doing, we're wondering the same. Then suddenly in episode 4 he takes Harrenhal (as we saw in episode 3). And then maybe the hallucinations in episodes 4 and 5 could've been compressed a bit to just fit in episode 5.
And while Jace was useful this episode, I also feel he didn't do much impressive. He just basically was willing to give the Freys what they asked for. Even though, if Simon Strong survived, that would probably be a problem. As presumably Simon Strong would expect to become lord of Harrenhal after he served Daemon so faithfully. So in theory Jace's plan is set up for failure as well.
Plus, my biggest complaint about this episode is the lack of subtlety when it comes to some of the patriarchy themes.
I don't mind Alicent being discounted as regent because of her sex, but there's like a bunch of times in this episode that they outright say "it's cuz you're a woman!" basically. That should've remained subtext, they shouldn't have ever actually said that explicitly.
And Rhaenyra's council defying her is fine, but it has been going on for half a season now. Ok, we get it, they're also sexists. But can we please move forward to Rhaenyra putting them in their place already? I feel like the Green council scenes are almost always interesting, but the Black council scenes are almost always the same. One of the old men will say to take action, Rhaenyra won't want to, they'll defy her, then someone like Rhaenys or Corlys or Rhaenyra will put them in their place. It's just too much.
I did actually like the ending scene though.
The way Rhaenys' death impacted everyone wasn't quite pronounced enough for me though. It didn't really feel like it had much novel to it compared to any other death. And the rift between Corlys and Rhaenyra was so temporary that it was barely noticeable. I feel like that could've been an entire episode by itself.
The teleportation actually doesn't bother me too much this episode because I don't think it causes any sort of plot holes or anything here.
Like last episode Aegon and Rhaenys both leaving on the same time on screen, and doing so as the assault on Rook's Rest began on screen, was kind of a problem for me. Because these three events cannot be happening simultaneously. So either they're being shown simultaneously without occuring simultaneously, or there was teleporting. And that I think is a problem. As is, obviously, Aegon's timely arrival.
Whereas this episode, sure, we basically immediately went from Cole being at Rook's Rest and nobody knowing about Rhaenys' death to everyone knowing. But I don't feel like anything happened that was out of sync. Both the King's Landing and Dragonstone scenes felt like they probably jumped forward a week or two, and I'm fine with that.
Not only Rhaenys, I feel like everyone's death (other than Viscerys) has been massively underwhelming this whole show. We don't spend all that much time with these characters before they die and these characters seem to barely even spend time with each other before they die. I just never felt that Rhaneys was Baela and Rhaena's grandmother. She just felt more like a substitute teacher to them. Idek if she's ever even spoken to Baela on screen.
Also Rhaenyra kinda sums up how Boring her story is in this episode. She says something along the lines like she has nothing to do but wait behind these walls and honestly yea it's pretty boring to watch.
Jaces negotiation at the Twins doesn't make much sense, because why would the Winter Wolves want to cross Green fork? Isnt it better to go by the Kings road?
At first I was thinking it made sense because they were going to the riverlands... but you're right. Rob had to reach Riverrun, but the Kingsroad goes literally right to Harrenhall lmao
1:26:47 late to this party, but I agree with this. Besides the Boltons and their allies, the Shows don’t like to let the Northerners do “evil.”
I feel like the dialogue was weak this episode. Tbh a lot of this season feels like it has much more blunt dialogue explicitely stating themes or motivations. Especially in the Daemon dreams/visions.
Ig it feels like the show is spinning its wheels a little so it's just telling us stuff we already know.
I imagine the maesters have something similar to the imperial examination in China, where you can get in on merit as a commoner. But we would have probably heard something about it if that were the case
I'm pretty sure Samwell Tarley is only admitted to the Citadel because he brings a letter of recommendation from Maester Aemon. I'd guess no one gets in without being sponsored by another Maester, and most maesters don't spend much time around Smallfolk so they mostly recommend the younger sons of the lord of their castles but do occasionally find a commoner worth admitted on merit.
@@magister343 good point, forgot about that.
The show is at it's best when two great actors are just having great dialogue in a room. Episode was very well paced, Alicent, Blackwood and Blackwood feud fueled by The Rogue Prince...very well written overall.
1:23:50 - So, I write as well. I've been writing for over a decade now. And while I can't speak to EVERYONE'S writing, cuz every writer is different, I know these bursts are true to some extent for me too. I feel like a lot of people think of writing as just "You sit down, you write the story page by page, and the more you sit down, the more pages you write and so George's problem is that he's not sitting down and writing enough." And while it may be true that George has too many distractions, this is also not how it necessarily works. Some writers may have it work like that, but plenty of time you'll get stuck. You'll get stuck for a very long time on something. And you try to think your way around it, or you rewrite something over and over and over again, and it's just not working. And that can take forever to sort out until, suddenly, you've sorted it out. And then you can go full steam ahead again. With "Dance" this was the Meereenese knot, with Winds it's probably something else or multiple something elses.
"Nobody is calling on biden to drop out" You wanna say that again? Guess you weren't as in tune with the politics as you thought right? Lol
I don’t understand how the “Alicent feeling slighted” scene makes any sense. This is a medieval society. If you go by Aegon’s heir- it’s Aemond. If you go by who was the second in Command- It should have been Cole as he is the hand of the king. If you go by who has the most experience- Call back Otto to run things. There are zero logical arguments for why Alicent should rule in her son’s stead.
I mean, she can still feel slighted regardless. The best argument for her is that both Cole and Aemond are needed in the war itself, and someone needs to do the actual govering - not necessarily her, but still. Irl, it was actually custom to have the wife stay behind and do the management for medieval lords and kings. Though to be fair, that would not need the title of regent.
So, my main takeaway is that the current council definitely seems to ignore govering decisions that would have been necessary, and make only warfare related decisions. They ignore the supply situation completely and only close the gates, which means increasing the number of mouths to feed (something that would have been very dumb irl medieval times).
The normal custom in most of Westeros is that a son inherits before a daughter but a daughter inherits before a brother. Aemon's heir at this point on the show should be little Jaehaera. (In the book he has a younger son, Maelor, who would inherit before his daughter after her twin brother was killed.) It is not that unusual for a woman to be regent for a minor heir either.
It's true that women are basically never full Lord role, but they're regent pretty often. Not that weird tbh. Especially after her filling that role for her husband for years
@@magister343 As far as I remember, that was specifically stated to be a Northern custom, i.e. House Stark and their bannermen - and by extension First Men houses.
@@LarthV No, it is the norm for Andals. Otherwise Lady Jeyne Arryn (whose house is said to have the most pure Andal blood) would not have inherited the Vale in her own right.
Things get a little fuzzier among the First Men, as there were some cases where an adult brother or even a bastard were allowed to inherit before trueborn children who were too young to rule without a regent.
19:30 How Dunk could be Brienne's ancestor - since GRRM seems to have plotted out much of Dunk's life, he probably has an answer to this. My guess is that one of Egg's sisters marries Lord Tarth, so Dunk & Egg accompany the bride to Tarth - thus how Dunk's shield ends up in Evenfall Hall. Dunk ends up having an affair with the bride, and secretly fathers the Tarth heir. Assuming it hasn't been retconned, we know that the Tarths intermarried with the Targaryens: "House Tarth of Evenfall Hall - an old family of Andal descent that boasts of ties to the Durrandons, the Baratheons, and more recently to House Targaryen" (TWoIaF) and that Aemon's sisters had kids as he says "hear my sisters singing to their children" (Samwell IV AFfC)
Well, there is also an option (I picked it up somewhere in the comments) that Dunk banged Egg's sister and got her pregnant so she was married to lord Tarth in rush to cover up her pregnancy.
yeah i think its viserys plumm 2.0 situation
Bet George is planning for Sir Duncan to secretly break all the BS kingsguard rules - never gets knighted, secretly fathers a child, doesn't unthinkingly obey king's wishes (defies Egg V by rescuing Rhaella and Rhaegar at Summer Hall)
Thanks for the 2:22:13 chat on the importance of Play, and Defender of Play. I definitely feel that adults need that time as well!
I liked this episode better than the previous one. I even liked Alicents scenes. Its also nice to see the Freys and the Twins. I totally guessed that Daemon was with his mom in his dream.
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Meleys being a "beloved dragon" makes no sense, especially since everyone of those Commonfolk knows someone that was murdered by it a couple of weeks back. I know I'd be dancing with my pants on my head if I saw that abomination paraded through the streets. Other than that I loved the episode. Even Rhaena didn't bother me this time.
I can't remember beloved, tbf. Maybe I missed it. But in my interpretation it was more like "godlike frightening"...
When I read Mystborn I went to see what religion Sanderson is because it hit me in the face, but I've heard others say they don't see it in his books
Jayce did the best in this episode. But A lot of other scenes fell flat. The dialogue was oddly lacking in impact aside from a couple of scenes. “ I am fire and blood, you need sea and salt was great, Jayce at the twins and with his mom at the end was great. Other than that….it kind of dropped the ball, not because the lack of action but the lack of substance in the conversations. Compare the dialogue from episode 2, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Daemon was 3 when his mother died, you don't form your earliest memories until you're 4 or 5. So no Daemon wouldn't remember a thing about her at all
I legit thought it was Aemma too and they were going to completely change the book and make Rhaenyra his daughter lol. Even if the math wouldn't work and that would cross the line for incest, even in this world.
For the blocade, if king's landing is like rome maybe the surrounding wheat is too little and they need wheat from "egypt" plus the other kingdoms might wanna keep their wheat for the war and winter instead of selling it
King's Landing is certainly not in a very fertile location, but most of the grain comes from the Reach and is carted in along the Rose Road. Shipping it by sea from the port of Old Town may be faster or cheaper, but there is an overland route.
I suppose it is possible that King's Landing at this point in history had been getting more grain from the Vale than the Reach as the Vale is closer, but by GoT the Reach produced a significant majority of all the food on the continent.
The most fertile region of Westeros is actually the Vale of Arryn, but that is only the Vale proper. That subkingdom is more properly called the Kingdom of the Mountains and the Vale. Most of the kingdom is made up of barren mountains surrounding a relatively small but lush river valley. It is far more productive than the Reach on an acre for acre basis, but the Reach is much larger and had few areas that aren't quite fertile.
The Reach should be providing enough for the Greens and the Vale enough for the Blacks in this war.
The North, the Riverlands, the Westerlands, and the Stormlands can usually produce enough to feed their domestic populations, but aren't fertile enough to have significant agricultural exports. (Dorn has some luxury exports like lemons and wine, but is the least fertile region overall and the most dependent on food imports. They have more trade with to Essos than to their Reacher neighbors though.)
1:05:30 How the blockade of KL can be affective, if they're only cut off by sea - realistically, the writers probably just figured they have better uses of screentime than closing map-and-logistics related plot holes, but if I had to come up with a reason... just because they physically can bring food in by land doesn't mean it won't be a logistical nightmare to do so, if they were previously over-reliant on imports by sea? Getting ahold of all the carts and horses, repairing roads to allow so many carts to suddenly pass through, nervous lords who want to horde the food rather than send it to KL, or who don't want to be part of a supply line as it will make them a target of Rhaenyra's, etc.
Yeah, I don't find it unrealistic at all that it might be at least somewhat effective. King's Landing isn't just a castle, it's a giant city. It needs a LOT of food. Shipping goods over land is much more time consuming and expensive than over the sea, so trade was almost certainly far more seaborne. Once the blockade started, transitioning completely to land-based trade would not only be extremely expensive but it would take quite a while to find all of the horses, carts, riders, etc. to fulfill this demand. It's kind of like we saw with Russia in its war with Ukraine. It managed to get around a lot of Western sanctions, but not immediately. It took them a significant amount of time because they had to realign their economy quite a bit.
I'd argue they probably get most of the food from Riverlands by Blackwater that is not under blockade.
@@Alpha1200I figured much the same thing. 500,000 people need a lot of food. IIRC, most of the medieval cities of Europe like Venice topped out at around 200,000. So while a blockade wouldn’t cut off the city completely, it would definitely put a strain on an already stretched system. Not to mention ships probably brought delicacies from overseas that were bought by the wealthy. When those are no longer available, then the wealthy have to have staples that the middle and lower classes depended on and the wealthy can pay more. As a monger, would you rather sell a chicken for 10 coppers to a neighbor or a piece of silver to a nobleman?
And for a real life example, the American South in the Civil War still had access to all their land but the northern blockades still choked the southern economy. Yes, a lot of their arable land was taken up by cotton but even if they had switched over to food crops, they still wouldn’t have had enough arable land to support the south. All the rhetoric about “south was agricultural and the north industrial” is kinda skewed because while the north had the factories, they also grew the majority of food staples like wheat, potatoes, corn and dairy. So, point being even with access to farmland, a naval blockade can still cramp food supply
@@Alpha1200
People who think the blockade wouldn't be devastating have never appreciated the pretty obvious fact that overland transport of bulk goods was incredibly inefficient before railways were invented.
I would recommend Bret Devereaux' posts on *The Loot Train Battle*.
35:47...taken way too literal. Yeah how could he have sex with her if he was 3 years old aswell when she was alive? Bc it was a dream lmao clearly he just wants to imagine his mother saying that to him.
They didn't say it took them days to get back. Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean they jet-packed.
Preston: fan of negotiating with terrorists
54:25 - Daemon had come up with the idea that they needed riders for the dragons, but not the how on how to find them. Jace this episode came up with the how to find them, by looking at Tagaryen maternal marriages.
Good to see Jace stepping up to the role of war commander in this episode.
I'm hoping that they will reveal exactly which minor lord it was who put himself forth as a candidate at the Great Council of 101 to be heir to Jaehaerys just because he claimed descent from one of Gaemon the Glorious's younger daughters. That is a pretty bold move for a 7th cousin of the king.
I really liked the episode and it was easy to call that people were gonna say it was boring because it didn't have fights or dragon fire lol.
A lot of the viewers seem rather childish.
A suppose this is pitched as a show about dragons.
I know war isn’t cheap, but how are all these houses SO broke? The crown struggling to pay for scorpions, makes little sense when the realm has been at relative peace since King J.
1:09:10 Why Gwayne Hightower wasn't made Lord Commander of the gold cloaks in the book - I'd guess Otto Hightower was of the same opinion as Tyrion, as to who makes a good Commander of the gold cloaks: "In most cases the gold cloaks would have resented having an outsider placed over them, but Ser Addam Marbrand was a shrewd choice. Like Jaime, he was the sort of man other men liked to follow." (Tyrion I ASoS) I guess Gwayne just isn't charismatic like Jaime or Addam. (sidenote: it was a misstep of Cersei to put the quiet, scowl-y and cruel outsider Osfryd Kettleback in charge of the gold cloaks; this is one of many reasons why, despite her efforts to control them and beef up their numbers, the gold cloaks will betray Cersei in TWoW?)
Thank you Preston for having the right Targareon Sigil .
Somehow, without any dragons, this episode was hotter than the last one.
Not as much as Olivia Cooke in episode 1(It should have been me).
Silver wing!!!
They already on GoT season 6-8 jetpacks
Preston I'm a few chapters into Dying of the Light. I've already had the bit where Ruark tells Dirk about Kavalar marriage practices and the bit afterwards where Jaan explains the conflicts within Kavalar society. I'm hooked enough to finish this book but how good would you say it is relative to his other 1000 worlds stuff? I know you rave about A Song for Lya and Sand Kings a lot so I will get round to them but I'm wondering about stuff like Tuf Voyaging, Armageddon Rag, And Seven Times Never Kill Man, With Morning Comes Mistfall, etc. I've seen your 1000 Worlds overview video but have you got something where you outline the best/most interesting stories?
Pate was just a genius. That’s all.
PJ! I’m glad you’re still doing this 👸🏼
The Otto firing scene dialogue was on that first four (I say 4 were great) seasons level. It’s true a lot of that Jon and Ygritte stuff was just whatever at a glance. There was something about how that dialogue matched the building tension and the rising action. I don’t want to be in either 50% Preston mentioned at the end where I hate it or love it. I like it. I am thinking it won’t hold up for me over time. It’s obviously not just too much dialogue. The dialogue doesn’t have the tension and plot moving along with it as well as those GOT seasons. The dialogue doesn’t accomplish as much for the plot. It feels meandering. That Otto scene though, if we analyzed it, we’d be talking about how it’s really part of the story and it fit and moved the plot and developed every character in the room. Too many HOTD scenes do too little of that is my fear. And that is why some perfectly normal book fans/franchise fans find the “too much talking” to be “boring.”
This season feels painfully slow
For the Citadel, I think nobles can always get in but there's like a test or something for the smallfolk. Just guessing though, this isn't in the books.
...one last thing, if I'd known Liv Tyler was in it, I'd have watched it a whole lot sooner.😍
Liv Tyler is horrible in the Leftovers. Her weird voice totally throws me off
2:18:00 the point of Aerea's end in F&B - I'm guessing this is supposed to hint at how the dragons stopped hatching. At the end of the Dance, Aegon II tried to hatch a new dragon. Alicent had read Barth's _Unnatural History_ , so she probably consulted it for dragon-hatching tips. Since the Targaryens continued to struggle to hatch dragons, _Unnatural History_ presumably remained popular (perhaps until Baelor the Blessed got tired of people telling him Barth said he had to bone his sister, so that's why he banned the book?) Aegon III hated dragons; I imagine he got _Unnatural History_ shoved in his face a lot and hated it but felt he had to tolerate it; suppose he read Barth's notes on Aerea - "they were creatures of heat and fire, and they did not love the ice, oh no. One after another they thrashed and writhed and died before my eyes" - and realized that if ice could ki|| firewyrms, then it could do the same for dragon hatchlings and eggs.
The theory: Aegon III secretly had every Targaryen egg frozen. Some eggs - like Baela and Alyn's daughter Laena's egg and the last dragon Dunk mentions - still hatch, but are extremely unhealthy and don't live long; most eggs never hatch, no matter what fire-and-blood-magic craziness future generations of Targs attempt. Dany's eggs, which weren't in Westeros at the time, were not frozen, so they were dormant, but still hatcheable.
Did you notice that Alys Rivers disappears into thin air behind Lord Simon Strong when she leaves the interaction with Damon? He’s hallucinating her, she only interacts with him
Simon looks at her though
@@oculargoose7361 or is he?! Seems to me like Damon is talking into empty space and Simon looks at that empty space in a confused way like “who is he talking to??”. He looks at Alys in a suspicious and confused way. It would fit
@@MrsMariano I think Simon looks at her before even looking at Daemon though
Nice idea.
1:30:32 but will a different dragon take a command from someone other than its rider? Aegon commanding another dragon or a different person given that role would be criminal.
Oh, and Preston, I just started watching The Leftovers, I gotta say, no show has had me asking so many questions after just one episode. Also, I really loved how what you thought was gonna happen at the end of the episode, didn't actually happen. I think you'll know what I mean.
The Leftovers is amazing!!
King's Landing being out of food simply makes no sense. That's it. It is just plot contrivance...
I just thought Daemon's mom was Alys in targ face myself. I hate ever second if Harrenhal that Simon isn't speaking. It's supposed to be creepy, not Westerosi Ghost Hunters.
Do you think that the River Lords showing up was somehow a dream? Grey Area said maybe Daemon has been asleep since he drank the Wierwood nastiness. I thought it was interesting to think about
This does seem quite plausible.
Yk I got most my GOT history from channels like yours lol, the best . Alt X, Rawr
I think Preston and me have grown apart on episode reviews this season.. 😂 I thought this episode was terrible. I’m growing pretty tired of the Daemon plot, I don’t recognize him in this one and there seemed to be a lot of filler in this one.
About Brandon Sanderson being a Mormon once you know if you can really read a lot of it into his work, just like George being a feminist hippie, like it's all over his work in the sense that you can tell that's what he's tapping into when he rights a lot
Pate could be the unacknowledged bastard son of a lord.
1:46:35 - I'd say there are two reasons why Martin wants to differentiate the glamours and what faceless men do.
1. Martin has a history as a science fiction writer. Just "it's magic" isn't enough for him. He wants to understand how the magic does what it does.
2. More importantly, he wants to differentiate the faceless men from others in order to keep the setting consistent. If all the faceless men did was use glamours, then what would make them special? There's a bunch of people out there who can use glamours. Why pay a kingdom for a faceless man when you can get someone who can do glamours who'd be much cheaper? And the reason is because the faceless men don't do glamours. And what the faceless men do doesn't have the weakness of a glamour that it can be seen through.
Love ya big P ❤
Here is how Brienne is descended from Dunk. Aegon V's sister marries someone but has a bastard with Dunk that is passed off as trueborn. That daughter marries Selwyn's father or grandfather.
Even if it was not or only semi passed of - a royal bastard is still a good candidate for a minor noble like the Tarths. Happened several times irl - Manfred of Hohenstaufen, bastard of the Holy Roman Emperor, was one that comes to mind. Though that is the male, not the female line tbf.
Heck, even another bastard of Dunks to a major noble house or so might make sense.
No mention of Daemon and his mother scene??
At the beginning
I dont want to tell you what to do with your podcast, but I would appreciate a spoiler alert warning for us who are watching the show abd didn't read the book whenever you plan on discussing it. Thanks for the content
On his channel you should just always assume there are spoilers unless he says otherwise. Rip
I have a feeling Aemond may kill Helaena too, and maybe stage it as a suicide. She knows what he did to Aegon (assuming from a vision) and told him she did at the end of the ep...he may have to cover it up and take her out.
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I feel that Corlys "choosing" his heir makes sense for his pretty specific circumstances.
If his house was more traditional, there was shown to be strong rival claimants or he weilded less power and loyalty it might be more of an issue
If heirs can be chosen then birthrights don't exist. And the show it seems like they want to go with both and not explain either.
@@ecmcm5363 I mean, the Velaryons are Valyrian, who seem to have a tradition of choosing the heir among several possible candidates (looking at you, House Targaryen). In that case, birthright makes you eligible, but it is not an end-all-be-all. More similar to certain Asian cultures, where this was quite common in the Middle Ages...
@@LarthV The Velaryons do not choose their heir. The facto heir is the first born son, same with the Targaryens. Laenor wasn't chosen over Laena, he just was the heir since he was born. That's why Lucerys was considered the heir from the very beginning. But the show does present all this things in a very weird way. It does seem like somehow Corlys can choose. I suppose he thinks that since Rhaenys died Rhaenyra will let him have this. And it is unlikely that Joffrey would gather enough support in the future to fight for his perceived right he was robbed of. But if the Velaryons are as sexist as the Targaryens, (I don't think there's been a single Lady Velaryon in history, so maybe they also fully exclude women) then maybe Vaemond's son can gather that support because he thinks it should be his. And Corlys should probably know that and consider that.
@@ecmcm5363 Not sure if I fully agree with this. His dedicated heir was Leanor, so much we agree on. From there on, it's a bit up for grasp.
Following strict male primogeniture, it would be Jace, regardless of his other titles.That Lucerys was heir was an _agreement_ between the Targaryens and Velaryons, nothing more, nothing less. There is no "rule" that said he was heir, consequently it _was_ a choice.
Also, looking at actual medieval history, from a certain point on it is "whoever can convince enough people", once the natural choice (Leanor) is out of the game. Note also that making Lucerys heir specifically sets a precedent that the heir _can_ be chosen, even if you believe that this was not their custom.
Now, that Corlys chose _Baela_ very likely _is_ because of Rhaenys and thinking Rhaenyra will let him have this - putting "a woman can inherit if chosen" and thus heir claim, over her third son. Also, with Rhaenyras claim there is a very specific precedent that he _can_ choose.
@@LarthV In England before the Norman Conquest (which is a bigger inspiration for Westeros), they did not follow any struct rules like primogeniture. The King could name whomever he wanted as an heir, but that was really just a suggestion that the Witan (his council of advisers) could choose to ignore if they believed another of his relatives was better suited for the job.
I dunno why but it's so annoying to me that Vhagar is pronounced to rhyme with Rhaegar and not Vhaagar. Like every valyrian name uses
"ae" for that sound. Atleast in different phonetic situations like in meraxes the "ae" sound is acceptable to me.
I liked this episode a lot but I also was a big fan of the show Succession so episodes of mostly talking are cool by me.
Good TV is people talking in rooms.
Great stream
Maybe I'm weird, but I didn't really like Rooks Rest, episode 2 in my opinion is the best in the entire series and this is probably number 2.
However, is it just me who thinks that table at The Twins was either very tall or the chairs very short?
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Aye! wtf are these writers doing!?
Did anyone notice the greyscale on daemon’s shoulder during his mother scene
It's from his burn in season 1
Those were just scars
Just a scar from that burning arrow in the shoulder he got in S1E3.
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Good continuity there.
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Preston not a big action or battle guy
I mean, you can't have battles every episode. We had a big one last episode after all.
@@OwenNewo619exactly like we had the most insane battle we've seen in thai franchise and they expect the next episode to be even bigger
No , you have to build to the action so it’s meaningful.
We had a HUGE action episode just last episode.
It was impactful because it was built up.
So now they have to build back up to it.
If you have crazy action every episode it is just a Micheal bay movie and the action becomes meaningless
big action doesn't mean anything when there's no proper build up to it
Had to chime in on the Trump stuff - I live a county below Butler County where that happened. I know several people who were there. A couple of them say that they think someone either missed on purpose or that he did something to himself when he put his hand to his ear and ducked.
I don’t like conspiracy theories. But these 2 were devout Trumpers who went to the rally and now are questioning everything that happened.
Plus I love how Trumpers are saying how Dems are so inconsiderate of him getting shot. But Trump made fun of Nancy Pelosi’s husband when he got attacked. He thought it was hilarious and I’m sure his followers were following suit. Now, their hypocrisy shines through once again.
Your friends who are trumpets and attend his rallies yet at the same time they find it hard to follow facts and tend to lean towards conspiracy instead? And.. this surprised you somehow?
@@dailylog4344 where do I say they’re my friends? I don’t. They’re family members who I very rarely talk to because of their beliefs. So yeah don’t make it into something it’s not.
@booknerdlover3675 lol OK my bad. Not "friends" but rather... "family members" that actually makes it worse and makes you sound even more silly. The point of my post wasn't to highlight who these people are to you. It was to point out how funny it is thay you know people who are trumpers, but at the same time you're surprised to find out that those same people are stupid.
@booknerdlover3675 lol OK my bad. Not "friends" but rather... "family members" that actually makes it worse and makes you sound even more silly. The point of my post wasn't to highlight who these people are to you. It was to point out how funny it is thay you know people who are trumpers, but at the same time you're surprised to find out that those same people are stupid.
@@dailylog4344 never said I was surprised about anything at all. Being a total douche to everyone even to people you don’t know makes you part of the problem and just as bad as them.
I honestly thought the lady's face was going to turn into viserys before she revealed herself as his mother. Got me thinking, why is there no gay incest among the targs? Seems a bit of a plot hole.
Because gay incest is very rare.
well incest for targaryens serves a certain purpose, it's the eugenic "preserving the bloodline", they don't intermarry because they actually really love eachother, so a gay relationship doesn't really serve that purpose, so I think it makes sense and also adds on to the fact that the targaryen marriages aren't "real" relationships
@@vinogr00nko93 nonsense. Once the door is opened it becomes about desire. Viserys wasn't trying to make dragonriders when he attempted to get into danys room the night before she married drogo. Baelor locked his sister's away so he wouldn't be tempted by them like come on. Knew some pedant would reply with this.
I mean I wouldn't go so far as to say not having gay incest is a plot hole. Lol
@@kaleomungin ya I meant that semi tongue in cheek, and I wasn't even thinking of what euron did to his brothers.
Pate can be some dead maester's by-blow. Half of Old town children are maesters, septons and even septas' not so secret kids
Your political takes are reprehensible as always, but there’s something revealing in the fact that you can only conceive of this event moving people to vote for Trump out of “sympathy”. Personally, I saw courage in that moment and a leader whose instinct was to rally and reassure his (understandably) panicked followers. Foreign concepts to the leftist mind, I suppose…
I havnt watched the stream yet. Will do tonight probably. But I've been wondering all week how preston is gonna spin the events of the last week lile he usually does. Nevermind the assassination attempt, I'm much more interested this week in seeing how preston tells us that the dems don't want biden to step aside and it's all lies from the right. Just this morning Obama has even came out to voice his concerns on biden. I cant wait to hear preston tell us Obama is a right wing grifter and that nobody in the world is concerned about bidens ages lol
Thinking people will forget about the assassination attempt in 6 months might be his worst take ever. And people are still talking about Bidens dementia moments bc he has a new one every couple days.
@@dailylog4344 Maybe now that biden has actually dropped out preston will try to pretend it didn't happen lol
8:30 didn't know the Citadel had a cafeteria.
This episode was really bad
Roy Dotrice as Pycelle would have been levels of non-credibility previously unseen. I’m just imagining him saying “P’tire Baelish” one more time
Well, that Joe take aged like milk...
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Dunno what Preston has to spoil everything I’m done
Son on mother head action was completely unnecessary. Really repelled me from enjoying otherwise excellent episode. We already knew that Alys is cooking Daemon’s brain, this level of explicity was uncalled for.
I have some similar feeling but I'm not quite sure how I fully feel about it, I would like to see where it goes before it convinces me one way or the other
It’s a family of incest and a dream is too much for you ?
He is literally married to his niece right now and has kids with her
Wincest ftw!
Aunts, uncles, cousins, even siblings banging and having children, totally fine. A Freudian/Oedipus-esque dream? Now we have gone too far! 😂😂🤦
Dont really see the big deal
Episode was so boring