Look Preston, you're missing the point. Otto Hightower is getting cats for the Red Keep because the ratcatchers are gone. Now, these cats will be the ancestors of Balerion the black cat. Balerion is the ancestor of Ser Pounce and all future cats of the RedKeep. Its an intergenerational story. Those cats rule the RedKeep Try and understand the *story*. Geez.
I'm surprised we didn't get a scene of the Eyrie and then the entire Vale LOSING THEIR MINDS that a Targaryen Princess has gone missing. What if she fell, is she dead? Did the Vale Mountain Clans kidnap her? What if that wild dragon ate her? The entire army of the Vale should be scouring every corner from the Bloody gate to each of the fingers to find her. Also. When Rhaenyra said "a son for a son" did anyone else shout at the screen "You killed Jaeherys!!!". Like, sure, she didn't want it, Daemon didn't want it, but it still happened. In that moment of desperation you would think Alicent would try to use that death. Though i guess in the show Blood and Cheese has the inverse effect. After the death of her son Helaena is more cogent and is now considered a possible dragonrider.
Oh, she's just a Targaryen princess. Daughter of the King Consort, Daemon Targaryen and step daughter and ambassador of Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen. Big deal. Targaryen princesses dance around in the wild vale all the time. Nobody criticise the showmakers, okay?😊
@@user-zq1gs7nt5dAll it needed was one scene of Jeyne Arryn being told by the Maester while holding court and everyone goes quiet. Then she starts screaming for her guards. "Find her!!! Find her now!!!"
Rhaena slipped down the cliff and Daemon will commit a full blown Vale genocide, which might be a blessing in disguise because it would have saved us from Littlefinger.
This season had some significant Preston Jacobs character development though. In like episode 1 or 2: "They're turning crap into gold." Now in episode 8: "This is awful, they ruined it beyond repair."
lmao ''You must live Dunk. See this vision, this woman, this big blonde woman, she has your blood and will be part of the saving of the world. You have to live, you have to train Egg, he has to rule. You are but a piece in this story.''
Yeah! Even in this comment section, it's infuriating to see hack-writers who don't give a shit write fanfic level crap whith millions and millions of dollars, while there is people with real visions out there getting nothing. It got as Hots, the Witcher, RoP, SW ....
I was especially PISSED by what they did to Alicent, who forgot how her grandson’s head was cut off and agreed to give her son up to die. She trusts Rhaenyra after 20 years of fighting? After Rhaenyra and Daemon made "Laenor's death" seem like they killed him on purpose so they could get married? After her grandson was stabbed to death in his bed? She doesn’t understand that by inheritance, all THREE of her sons will be considered Rhaenyra’s competitors and will be executed? That her father, lover and brother will also be executed? That Damon will achieve this? Not even her granddaughter is safe either, since she is Aegon’s only child and his heir. God, they made a complete fool of her, made ger Rhaenyra's simp.They just made it up that Alicent and Rhaenyra had lesbian feelings for each other ( which was change fine at first), and now they break everything so that this “divorced couple who still loves each other” (this quote from the director) would sacrifice their children for each other. Just some fanfiction of a 13 year old girl, I’m sorry that the actors were forced to play this. Watch Alicent witnessing Rhaenyra's death instead of Aegon lll and her poisoning her own son after it. I'm done.
What I don't get is why they show Daemon Daenerys out of pyre with 3 dragons. Why is that supposed to be impressive for Daemon. There are like 15 dragons in the world.
I hate it how they reference GoT and white walkers so much in this show. We know how that story ends and all this prophecy talk is pointless in the end. And i thought that Daemon's plot this season had some point but it was pointless in the end.
The whole prophecy thing, I think GRRM did it so well with Cersei Lannister. He introduced the prophecy from Maggy the Frog in books 4 after Joffrey and Tywin were already dead and House Lannister went into a downward spiral. Which in the hindsight made the prophecy not matter that much compared to what Cersei did. Those kids are dead and her getting killed by Jaime (I supposed) aren’t because of some frog lady said so. It’s mainly because Cersei is such a piece of sh*t that she turned everyone around her into enemies in order to subvert said prophecy.
One third of Season 2s trailer was actually stills from this episode. Stills, mind, not scenes. And these stills are kind of the trailer for Season 3. So, we got a trailer within a trailer within a trailer. I guess they like Inception
I wish they would stop bringing up the white walkers! We all know that the white walkers were defeated in LESS THAN A DAY & by a 90 pound little girl with a dagger no less, so the writers reminding us of this constantly just HURTS! In season 1 this show was removing the stain of season 8 for me and it was refreshing to see them steer away from Game of Thrones but now Condal is trying to make this show Game of Thrones and I can’t stand what he’s doing with it. And I can’t watch Rhaenyra anymore. This isn’t the Rhaenyra from the book. Lord knows why the writers thought a more peaceful, calm, diplomatic Rhaenyra would be more entertaining than the Rhaenyra GRRM crafted. The woman lost her son, lost her baby, lost her father, lost her throne, lost Rhaenys and was nearly ASSASSINATED and that STILL wasn’t enough for her to want blood. What will at this point? They constantly tease us with these “mad queen” face expressions she keeps making or pretending she is becoming more dark, only for us to learn a few scenes later that she actually still wants no bloodshed and that she hasn’t really changed or been affected by the events happening around her. Corlys had to convince her to fight FFS! Like, f*ck me. She actually said that the new dragons she gained she planned on just using as a deterrence. JUST END ME ALREADY. And 20% of the episode was focused on a girl boss androgynous pirate who no one gives AF about! And who seemed cartoonish to me. And I don’t care about Rhaena. She makes the same pikachu face all season and we’ve already seen the storyline of a child being belittled because they don’t have a dragon and then gaining a dragon and that child’s name was Aemond! Why would I want to see that storyline again instead of Nettles? I cautioned fans all season to wait for the finale before passing judgement and now I have egg on my face. Thanks, Ryan Condal.
@@StefunnyStrange You are getting that Rhaenyra though. Her refusing Alicent’s request outright, spurning her attempts at redemption and demanding she kill her own son as penance for Luke was absolutely indicative of a more ruthless and blood hungry Rhaenyra, as did the dinner scene where she told them what they’d have to do. I’m not saying it didn’t take an ungodly long time to get here, but the pieces are finally there for what’s about to change in S3.
@@Longshanks1690 That’s not ruthless, that’s just business as usual when it comes to usurpers in this universe. For treason, you behead. They tried to assassinate her FFS! Who wouldn’t behead after that? Even the honorable Ned Stark would’ve beheaded his ass. Corlys literally had to CONVINCE Rhaenyra to get violent. She needed convincing…. STILL! And she told Coryls that she actually just planned on using her new gained dragons as a deterrence! Like, FML. I’m not gonna pretend we weren’t misled, we were. What was the point of her turning around to face the camera in the season 1 finale and looking enraged? What was the point in the way she glared at Aemond after he was outmatched with her 3 dragons? Where was that payoff in any of that? This was the biggest blue ball finale of the century.
And I’m not the type who needs battles and dragons every episode but there should have AT LEAST been some sort of emotional payoff that deeply moved fans if not a major battle or having Rhaenyra taking Kings Landing. I defended the show but the red flags are starting to pile up. They are omitting extremely interesting parts from the book just to include their own uninteresting versions of George’s story. Hopefully they can turn things around soon. I haven’t given up yet.
@@StefunnyStrange Yeah the way they ended season 1 i thought Rhaenyra would be out for blood. But instead she is this peacemaker no matter what happens. Also the power swing to black side has been really big as greens only have Aemond and Vhagar left. Everyone else have left or refuse to help Aemond. Rhaenyra has nothing in her way to go and take Kings Landing. But still she plans to go around the world to burn some other castles. At this point someone needs to yell Rhaenyra to do something useful for change and win this war. I also have defended this show and told people who didnt want to watch this cause of ending of GoT that this show is worth to watch. I regret watching this now.
@@StefunnyStrange Completely agree. The second half of the season was not good. The Finale was not good. And Halaena's prophecy for Aemond made me angry. Like, spoilers...
Are we not concerned with hostages anymore? Rhaenyra could've easily just taken Alicent hostage (same as the other way around, when Rhaenyra went to talk to alicent). Remember how important hostages were in GoT? Baelon Greyjoy was kept at bay because Theon was a hostage. Or Sansa being held hostage at KL, or Tyrion being held hostage by Catelyn started the war. But now characters just exist, they can be anywhere, anytime with no consequence
Well, Alicent probably thought Aemond or the council didn't care - and was probably even right about it. And Rhaenyra thought "Well, if she is here, they probably do not care about her.", So...
You're right of course but you have to realize that, in the show, both the Greens and the Blacks are led by two pacifists who are trying their hardest to avoid winning this war
@@LarthV and that's a problem, because very important people, in theory, like the queen mother are not considered important. i think the writers completely forgot about this aspect and just didn't think about it
@@aegorrivers6700 That's possible, though I am giving a TV show a bit more leeway in terms of character's actions, since other than a book they will frequently have main characters appear in situations where irl one would expect emissaries or support characters.
Early prediction for HOTD season 3: Condal will watch all the TH-cam videos after this season and correct the mistakes mentioned by TH-camrs pertaining to this season, but will fail to correct the mistakes of the next season. The guy is a people pleaser and it shows in his writing .
Ah, the JK Rowling “leapfrog writing” technique, I can see that, we’ll get time turners next season, then a maester will knock over a cabinet and break them all in season 4
Ah, the JK Rowling “leapfrog writing” technique, I can see that, we’ll get time turners next season, then a maester will knock over a cabinet and break them all in season 4
@@bekongwu602 It would have. 2 episode like ep. 4? Important characters dying, war, extremes characters, agencies and fast pacing. Could’ve turned it around.
How can people say there’s no comedy in this show when we have the Rhaena scenes? 😂 I burst out laughing every time they cut back to a Targaryen princess - effectively if not De Jure - being allowed to wander the wilderness and not once did she meet an Arryn guard, a shepherd or a Vale tribesman. How is that not comedy gold? 🤣
Rhaena is one slip off a cliff away from the complete extinction of House Arryn. Rhaenyra has all the justification to nuke the Vale if Rhaena died under their watch.
Even better comedy, they take one of the BEST characters from the not very good source material, nettles (she isn't some amazing dragon rider with blood or a bastard, she's just a girl who loves a dragon and feeds it shit, amazing). They took that wonderful, excellent character, and replaced it with what..... Rhaena? Seriously? Fucking Rhaena, you're replacing nettles, a girl who tamed a dragon by feeding it sheep, and fucked Daemon into more or less open rebellion, and giving us pikachu face instead. Yikes.
After watching HOTD season 2 I firmly believe that When hiring writers or a therapist, the most important question to ask is: do you believe in free will?
Hodor disproves free will. Hodor was Hodor before bran was ever born, which means bran couldn't have not been born/not fallen/etc etc. It's the entire reason the character of Hodor exists, to establish a fixed timeline so everything can't just be explained by time travel nonsense. If you must have any kinda of time travel the only way to have it without a million paradoxes is fixed timeline.
@@suzukisixk7 i get what you’re saying and that’s totally valid. but i do strongly feel that the overarching theme in GRRM’s writing is the fallacy of misinterpreting prophecy which we see often happen in this world. i mean he’s def an atheist and i think it’s meant to come thru. also i wanted to include this from an interview with GRRM on what ti expect regarding the “Hold the Door” scene we saw on GoT: GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: It’s an obscenity to go into somebody’s mind. So Bran may be responsible for Hodor’s simplicity, due to going into his mind so powerfully that it rippled back through time. The explanation of Bran’s powers, the whole question of time and causality-can we affect the past? Is time a river you can only sail one way or an ocean that can be affected wherever you drop into it? These are issues I want to explore in the book -Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon (James Hibberd) So anyway, just food for thought as we still haven’t got WoW.
@@suzukisixk7 well, looking at the ASOIAF wiki it says Hodor was born in 283 and Bran was born in 290. so Hodor was 7 when Bran was born if these dates are to be believed. if these dates are true, then it could be argued that Bran's birth predated Hodor becoming lame in the head, and everything prior to that could just be explained by Hodor being a 7 year old boy no more intelligent than any given lowborn, then Bran goes into the past and into Hodor's mind when Hodor was 7 years old or afterwards. so it would still he a "free act" of Bran still going back in time to create the Hodor we know being lame in the head. so all the events that happen to Bran leading up to him being the 3EC wasn't predetermined and only happened after he gained the abilities and went back into Hodor's mind, etc
@@b1bbscraz3y thats wrong, you simple cant explain the hodor brain damage happening without the incident with bran, and the effect pre dated the cause (being before he was born was just icing on the cake) this means bran could not have died when he fell from the tower for example...because he already lived on to do the damage to hodor, he just hadnt experienced it yet. iE determinism
@@alexandrec326no he wasn’t - the WGA did not affect the scripts which were all finalised in preproduction; table readings started in January 2023 and production started April 2023. The WGA strike started May 2023. The trades interviewed Condal and Hess at the time and reported ad nauseam that the production was not affected by the WGA strike.
First episode of HOTD where I was physically disappointed... why do we need these gratuitous references to GoT? How did that dream help Daemon change his entire arc? How is Helena's dream suddenly crystal clear? Why are we suddenly having that Cole/Hightower conversation about fvcking the queen in front of everyone? That girl running amok (no one looking for her) to find a dragon is just so pointless...
Daemon needed to do his psychedelic therapy to understand himself better, he was already changing his mind and realising why he should do better by rhaenyra in a personal sense and just be a better person in general. The conflict between the Rivermen houses and the outcome that happened while he was going through that introspection also taught him that he needs to do better by the people who he wants to follow him, great power and responsibility and all that, his actions have consequences. The vision isn't the decider, but it's the final nail in the coffin for old Daemon. He wouldn't have accepted what he was shown if Alys just hit him with it the moment he showed up at Harrenhal. He needed to learn that he doesn't really want the crown first, then that there is a greater purpose to supporting rhaenyra on top of that to really cement his choice. Daemon only went through his therapy because Alys made him do it, he wouldn't have otherwise, he didn't want to change, or didn't know he wanted to change. I agree with Preston that it would have been better if he'd just gone through his personal introspection therapy trip and made the choice to support her solely based off that without needing to know about the events of GoT to do it. But the prophecy shit is already introduced to the story and it's not sudden out of nowhere "divine intervention" making him change his mind, it's been divine intervention since he got to Harrenhal
How did Alicent get past the Green blockade when they made a very specific point of emphasising Aemond closed the port and is monitoring all shipping in the harbour? Jetpack prototype? 😂
.... She's the former Queen. With a Kingsguard with her. If she commands a simple Gold Cloak to let her out.. Or a simple fn boat captain that she's going for a boat ride... They aren't going to obey her command???!!! Of *course* they are.
@@thisguy8106 I think they would reasonably fear Aemond more than Alicent and wouldn’t dare risk countermanding his orders without his direct say so, and risk his wrath.
You just know there'll be more Alicent-Rhaenyra drama when she finds that Aegon is not in the city, and drama about Otto desperately trying to get to KL, only to get executed in Aegon's stead, and then Alicent cries etc.
7:10 Larys "helping" Aegon makes perfect sense to me. It is obvious he can't influence Aemond, so he tries to get Aegon back on the throne, and ingratiates himself, so he can manipulate the king later.
Another argument for Aegon being sent to the wall: He lost his "sausage"(theon feelings). As he cannot have heirs, the bigger problem is the kids and his brother.
@@timocruz510it's making her character weak and unlikeable. And to make matters worse, she's just like her father, but she's not played by an amazing actor, so her character falls flat
Nettles and Daemon was one of the more interesting sub plots in F&B, very disappointed they decided to cut it. Seems like they'll give Rhaena her storyline (minus the Daemon part, which is the only interesting thing about her story lol)
😂Condal is clueless… it is what happens when you give a fanboy the keys to the kingdom… it is not about being a fan of the show or being true to the source material, what it comes down to is being grounded, being thorough, making choices ( something stripped away from the characters), and remaining coherent from episode to episode… Condal is clueless 😂
@@pacodance29 The Lannisters don’t have another theme, and it was only playing for a few seconds while his army marched, it’s not that big a deal lmao.
@@Longshanks1690 yea but it shows a lack of care. It's like if a dragonrider called their dragon the wrong name. Sure overall it doesn't matter but it's insane that would happen.
@@mysteryboxe9230 No, it’s not like that at all. It’s like if they played High Sparrow over The Shepherd and the storming of the Dragonpit. It’s technically for another character and time, but come on, everyone knows it’s analogous enough to be fine for this situation.
9:50 Funny how this useless tool labels as grifters anyone who criticizes terrible SW shows but their critic of this show (which's finale sucked) is legit and comes from love and deep knowledge of source material!
@@OfficialRedTeamReview The lack of self awareness is astounding (both regarding your take on grifters and being triggered) , it's you defending your stupid takes under every disagreeing comment, maybe stop being such a hostile duchebag and a partisan hack which leads to hypocrisy and baseless contrarianism and maybe than people will respect you and your opinion!
@@OfficialRedTeamReviewThe lack of self awareness is astounding (both regarding your takes and being triggered) it's you defending your hypocritical takes under every disagreeing comment, maybe if you stop being so hostile and a partisan hack which leads to hypocrisy and baseless contrarianism, people will start to respect you and your opinions!
Btw dont you realise what you call 'right wing grifters' throwing shade at star wars might have equivalent legitimate gripes on what disney star wars has become?
Watching Tyland adventures was very painful, scary, and disturbing. It's like one of the biggest fears: find myself in the middle of a party with very cringe people and have no right to say no to any shit they force me to do.
Its ironic coming from Carmine that those "right wing grifter guys" are just targeting Star wars because they are right wing grifter guys with no arguments and just hate stuff and then tries to say "well me and Preston we dont spread hate we just criticize the writing!". However, everything I've watched from those supposed "right wing grifters" is them criticizing the writing just the same as you are. You just disagree with them because you're a lefty. Get some perspective kiddo
Imo the people they're referring to are usually more sensation and spend a lot of time talking about things like diversity, Kathleen Kennedy, and the woke agenda though. I mean they use "right wing grifter" loosely though tbf. If the called people like EFAP grifters, but for someone like Nerdrotic or Critical Drinker I think the term fits personally. Just my opinion though :)
@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 Correct. But also to add more context to this: right-wing grifters are people covering a topic to spin it in a way that promotes right-wing propaganda without caring much on what they cover. They don't care about Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, HotD, etc etc they care about spinning some random narrative as to why something is bad into it being the fault of "leftist" or "liberal" policies. They tried hard with X-Men 97', Fallout, Furiosa, etc etc by saying it was "woke" and that it would fail but they didn't.
House of the Dragon feels like an Episode of Seinfeld or Curb your enthusiasm where the entire conflict comes from a series of coincidences and misunderstandings.
I hate that Aemond only has ONE outfit for two seasons Bro only has 20 minutes of screentime and we can't even see his own reaction to burning his brother
Love how redteam over there says "everyone on the right wing who criticize star wars has no meat and its all hate." Then a minute later "we actually have real criticisms of the show here we arent just hating on it we come from a place of loving georges work" how can you be so insensitive and shit on people like that but then whine about how those same statements are made about you? I haven't seen one "right wing" criticism of star wars that didnt have actual substance.
"how can you be so insensitive and shit on people like that but then whine about how those same statements are made about you?" but also: "fire in space? lol this is what happens when you hire a woman" - right-wing grifters on Acolyte 2024
@OfficialRedTeamReview Yes, there is a difference between a campfire in space that is blowing in the wind and fuel shooting fire out in space or in an explosion. Also thats not the only criticism nor the most substantial one made by far
@@mrrabbit9407 I have never once complained about something as trivial as "fire in space" in a Star Wars show or movie, expecting scientific levels of realism while also using it as a means to push sexists and racists commentary. Every single piece of criticism, even legitimate ones, goes out the window once someone does that. To defend it is telling on yourself.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview no where in my criticism did I bring up race or gender. I could give you many criticisms about the show but thats not what I was talking about in my original comment. I just didn't think it made sense how you blew off all criticisms of star wars shows when the acolyte was awful for many storytelling related reasons but then immediately complain about people writing off your criticisms (which I think are valid) for this tv show. I think people can make jokes about gender though when the creator Leslie Headland explicitly says its the gayest star wars show. If we can talk about what the showrunners for GoT and HotD say behind the scenes then we should be able to do the same here. You may not agree those are valid jokes or whatnot but to write off every other criticism with that show entirely and then strawman it with "fire in space" just seemed a bit hypocritical. I watch a lot of people you'd probably deem as right wing and some make obnoxious jokes to some people but they all have substantial criticisms and to write them off as sexist and misogynistic without actually arguing anything is exactly why you have to run cover for your valid criticisms as well. Even in your response you conceded the point to (I dont look for that much realism in star wars) okay so we both agree its a somewhat valid criticism and is an error in the writing. My entire point with my original comment was that I just wanted to point out how you're cultivating the very environment you seem to be complaining about. But if you want to write me off as right wing for pointing it out and implying I'm now sexist and mysoginistic for having a nerdy discussion about our sci fi tv shows then I guess that's cool too.
There are definitely right wing idiots who hate on Star Wars for the wrong reasons, but RedTeamReviews generalization on Star Wars criticism is so dumb.
Misinterpretation of the prince that was promised prophecy on the dagger (the real dark sister?) unironically could be the cause of every main conflict in asoiaf: - Aegon’s conquest - Maegor vs. the faith - the Dance of the Dragons - the Blackfyre Rebellions - Summerhall - Stannis, Daenerys, R+L=J Embrace the dagger in every theory vid. The dagger will set you free.
The writers hate Alicent, blaming her for B&C, having her glaze Viserys at every turn, making her the reason Aegon goes to war, having both her sons ignore and demean her even though the books emphasise she was a key advisor, have her go crawling to Rhaenyra to apologise, treating her like a slut for having consensual sex for the first time in her entire miserable life, having her give up her sons, father, brothers, uncles, cousins and lover for... idk
I think the one possibility everyone is ignoring is that this is a weird meta angle from the writers that the source material “story” is bad and that they are going to do a bunch of Laenor moments and poorly frame it as characters defying fate and choosing their own path. They already claimed to kill sunfyre so I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to Laenor Rhaenyra and have people somehow believe she was eaten by sunfyre. I can’t get over the director of the episode in the inside the episode called it a story of fire and ice. I swear to god it appeared that she genuinely thought that was the series title
Hating on star wars ?! Blindly ?! With no substance ?! Dude you bash on hotd with good reason but you think acolyte and all the rest of disney crap is blind hating ?! Wtf are you on ?!
@@yo-gl6df oh for sure. Andor was on another level, hope we get another season. I even enjoyed ewan mcgregors performance in kenobi. But even he and the rest of the shows are worse than hotd.
It was a pretty bizarre “oh but I'm not like these these other girls... *my* criticism is valid". I listen to long videos on a lot of stuff I don't care about while at work, cleaning my house, exercising, etc (white noise). Among those Star Wars is an easy pick, given the huge amount of long videos on it, and good lord these shows and movies are bad. Not even a portion, most of Star Wars entries are bad. I've engaged with them to see if the commentary on those is accurate and it mostly is, it's all so sloppy and poorly put together. I feel sorry for the people who care about it because it's been run to the ground. The original trilogy and Andor are the only salvageable things - I still don't like those (I find them boring, not a fan) but they are well made, good stories. To have Carmine wave all the criticism away as grifting just because he doesn't like the politics of the people making them is wild. Even the more unbearable, over the top culture war Star Wars videos still make points outside of that aspect. It's just very disingenuous to pretend they don't, though maybe Carmine doesn't even watch those, having his opinion formed by staying on Twitter and seeing YT thumbnails.
And I'm so pissed about how they are handling the fall of KL. I wanted it to be from the green perspective rather than always having the Black side be the POV (like how blood and cheese was ruined). An almost red wedding style betryal scene with Alicent realising something is off (mirrowing Catelyn in the Red Wedding scene) and walking through the castle finding dead guards. With the audience being in the same boat as the Greens having no idea it was coming. Nevermind then. And they don't even fucking have it in the season? Total garbage.
The problem with daemon spending so much time with alys is that alys spends more time with aemond. And after this season they will want to cut down on harrenhal scenes so we miss out on the far more interesting relationship.
guys I thought we settled this, GOT went terribly wrong in season 5, before that it was an okay to good show depending on the episode Its even clearer on rewatch god that season 5 and 6 are stupid and its a shame it didnt get the hate it deserved
Concerning the army sizes, another point people forget is that the War of the Five Kings happened right at the tail end of like a decade long summer, which would mean the population would have been larger. I'm not sure they established when the Dance of the Dragons took place in regards to the seasonal cycle.
PhilosophyTube was unbearable on the Scenes. I like PhilosophyTube (I watch all her vids) but her character and acting was pure pure pure cringe It was really amateurish and you could feel the distinction between her and real (TV) actors
Very cringe and badly acted, i had to stop watching her videos after i found that she SA'ed Contrapoints (as if stealing her whole aesthetic wasn't enough) . also i found her videos were more and more about her and giving herself opportunities to show her acting (which is not good anyway) only very tangentially about the subject matter .
@@nicolasgoulet4091 yes. Contrapoints has alluded to this, but hasn't said who it was. But since they were good friends and shortly after the "incident" they cut all communication, it's not crazy to assume it was philosophy tube.
My theory is (as unbelievable as it may sound) that the dragon scenes ate up the budget and they ended the season however they could without battle scenes or more dragon fighting, no other explanation for the horrible cg on Daemon's visions and Alicent and Rhaeryra's shot reverse shot fest scene. But it doesn't explain the horrible writing 😂
34:30 - Nah, I think Aemond's arc at the end of the day was about him trying to even all the scores. He was bullied as a kid. And now he's making that everyone else's problem. He's taken out Luke, then he takes out Aegon since he thinks he's a better ruler anyway. And he gets more unhinged as the season goes on, he believes himself invincible until he's not. And then he has to confront where his current behaviour will lead him (death).
Imagine if Daemon, after seeing those visions just decided to kill Rhaenyra when she came to Harrenhal, taking agency away from the visions and in a broad sense having House of dragon breaking free from the agency that Game of Thrones and Fire and Blood has over it. I really feel like the show is restrained by the books and GoT. But maybe its just restrained by meh writers.
From what is spoken about in this episode, seems Aemond is the only agent of free will left out of the main players, which surely makes him the main protagonist
What favours were exchanged to cast PhilosophyTube here? The scenes were so cringe to watch that it was even physically painful. So hammy and OTT. I thought i was watching a parody at some points.
I guess if you actually want a trans actor, the list of candidates becomes short pretty quickly. And since the book character is implied to be trans...
@@LarthV hmm maybe or maybe instead of casting one with more talent but possibly unknown, they opted for one one who had a built in audience already and may draw a new audience to the show. Is that fair ? Idk it sure doesn't make her acting any better and less cringe.
@@franbalcal Yeah, something like that could well be true. I mean, more famous people have received more significant roles just because they were famous, so...
There were a lot of moments in this season I really liked, but when you stop to see where it all led.. We started this season with war looming, a power struggle in the green faction, Rhaenyra preparing for action, Daemon preparing for action, the Lannisters, Tullies, Starks, Hightowers all preparing for action And we ended with everyone preparing for action lol. I feel like all forward momentum fully stopped after the Vhagar/Meleys/Sunfyre brawl. It’s like they ran out of budget for fights and decided to just mull until seasons end Edit: Last note, my main gripe is, why did it have to take a full season for Rhaenyra, Daemon, Alicent, Aegon, Helaena, etc. to decide to have some resolve. These things should’ve been staggered a bit so we can have forward progression in some arcs as other arcs are in more of a character building moment. Also Coryls was a HUUUGE nothing burger this season. Starts the season debating if she should acknowledge his bastards, ends the season debating if he should acknowledge his bastards but hey his ship was built
On Cole being Dornish: I get that it being a writer's slip is _very_ possible. But having people migrate _to the neighbouring country_ is not really that big of a strech. People in Spain did this all the time, moving from Muslim to Christian kingdoms and vice versa. In the Middle ages, nobody _really_ cared - not until the 15/16th century.
Episode 8 sucked, memberberriea suck. They are making the same mistake dianey made with star wars pushing everything in the direction of something that didn't work toward (Rey, season 8 ending)
1:28:00 I think the reason that the armies are smaller in the house of the dragon age is that armies are not the determining factor in winning wars dragons are. Why would you develop the capacity to raise large armies when they are easily destroyed by dragons?
For the love of god... *It's not a mystery!* I keep saying this. And I get head scratching replies. Repeat after me... "THE. WRITERS. ARE. BAD." Look it up yourselves. Look at the imdb. FIRST OF ALL... The "writers" do not write every episode together. THIS is why the stories are so disjointed. Look at the number of episodes each writer is credited with writing. Which means that Ryan... the writer of The Rock's miserable releases from the 2010, Hercules and Rampage... is the only person writing and overseeing the writing for each episode, in both seasons. EVERYONE else is used for specific episodes. Which is a HORRIBLE idea. I can see having different writers in each season. But only if turnover is needed between seasons. You need writers invested in the greater arc of the characters they're writing. Step by step. ESPECIALLY with an adaptation like Fire & Blood. Where the character work is EVERYTHING. EVEN IF THEY DON'T GO OFF SCRIPT. The writers themselves are NOT GOOD. Certainly not on the level that Game of Thrones demanded in it's adapted seasons. They do not have the credits for a prestige series. Besides ONE writer, writing ONE episode of The Crown. A few of these writers went on to write The Acolyte. Garbage. Just look at it. It's bad. It's a bunch of people who have spent too much time in therapy, attaching their own erratic reactions to the characters, as they experience the plot, outlined by George. Completely focused on the wrong aspect of the character work. Random behavior, clearly out of character with what had been written of each character prior to their sudden left turns. Except for Aegon. He's the ONLY CHARACTER that has a consistent arc, from start to finish. And... (drum roll)... that's because... HE'S DUMB. And it remains true, that characters are only as smart as the people writing them. So they can write the idiot boy-king. But they can't write anything consistent for an intelligent character. And that's it. That's all it is. There's nothing else to speculate on. 🤷
i agree, the skill of the writers is just really poor and there's no way around it. so many questionable scenes, pointless choices. i felt like i could guess exactly what character was going to say before it was even said. they somehow managed to make even the most exciting characters boring
Maybe little finger never was smart. Maybe bran controlled him and made him the scheming man he was so he could transport the dagger from place to place causing several important events in the story and ultimately ending up back at winterfell. And finally in Arya’s hands 😂
If you're wondering why Philosophy Tube is in HOTD & The Acolyte: pure astroturfing. There's been this weird movement in the last 5 years to shoehorn in e-celebs into media. People are cutting cables & cancelling subscriptions so they think because some TH-camr is in the show the kids will definitely watch. That's why so much real estate of this incredibly short season is dedicated to them.
Alan of Hull's character is NOTHING like his book counterpart. Alan's an adventurer, a swashbuckling hero type, Alan in the show is just dull and conformist.
White Walkers is the worst plot in whole of GoT/HotD. Not only is it down right boring and stupid, it poisons all other plots by being the most important plot apparently.
Love your Davos and Tyrion analogy in comparison to Alicent and Rhaenyra. Which brought me to the main problem with GoT later seasons and HoTD this season: Characters don’t act like people and more like action figures smashing with each other. Just look at Tyrion and Jaime. I know they are fan favorite characters but the other characters are too lenient around them. - Why wasn’t Davos even mad at Tyrion for killing his real son but was very murderous at Melisandre for burning Shireen? - Why was Jon so ok whenever he’s in the presence of Tyrion, Jaime or Cersei? He’s so nonchalant about them albeit these three belongs to a family that murdered his father (Ned) and his brother (Robb) while also giving his home to the Boltons. Not to mention that two of them also the parents of Joffrey, who killed Ned, and conspired to cripple Bran. Jon was so enraged at Ramsay for killing Rickon and raping Sansa or Olly for being manipulated into killing him but felt nothing towards the Lannisters who committed genocide against both of his families. - Tyrion was so smug in front of Davos about how his wildfire killed Davos’ son and ruined Stannis’ invasion but somehow folded at the sight of Daenerys using dragon fire to execute her enemies. Tyrion also made fun of Theon being Stark’s hostage which caused Theon to betray the Starks afterward and ended up being tortured and castrated by Ramsay and yet later on, Tyrion then played a victim and chastised Theon for making the nonexistent joke of him being a dwarf and saying that Theon deserves all the suffering he got. Tyrion in a show is a piece of sh*t just like everyone else in the Lannister family but the show didn’t aware that he’s a bad guy and tried to portray him as a good guy as hard as possible. - Remember when the Lannister™️ sword Oathkeeper gave Brienne so much trouble whenever she encountered the Starks and their sympathizers? In the show, she went into a brawl with the Hound to take custody of Arya. In the books, she was forced to kill Jaime to prove her loyalty to Catelyn or else, Cat will kill Podrick. Some way, somehow in the later seasons, Davos has no issue with Brienne at all. You know, a golden hair lady wearing a Lannister armor wielding a Lannister sword who killed Stannis. Not to mention that Theon trusted Brienne easily after she saved him and Sansa albeit the last time he trusted a rescuer, that same rescuer chopped off his dick and turned him into a slave. Now the characters in HoTD also stopped acting like people. Alicent is the worst case of them all.
@@csabagalambos1461 I mean, one of those “enemy soldiers” is Davos’ son. Are you telling me that the guy who has a burning hatred for Melisandre for killing someone else’s daughter somehow never got mad at a guy who killed his own son? Davos even cracked joke with Tyrion about it too. Also, “the rest is indeed bullshit”. Please tell me what’s wrong with these things I mentioned.
@@nont18411 I'm saying that Davos would hate Melisandre for murdering a girl that was almost like a daughter to him, but he would not necessarily hate an enemy commander whose orders led to his son's death. If you besiege a castle, you might get killed. Nothing personal about it, unlike the burning of Shireen. I agreed with everything else you wrote, hence "the rest is indeed bullshit".
Writing decisions are made only in order not to repeat the source material and compete with the author of the book in the ability to write characters and stories. Only they are noticeably losing and I now understand exactly why George was so disappointed and refused to participate in writing the third season. Writers make changes without thinking why the plot was written this way in the first place in the book. They also lose cause-consequences relation and motivations of the charachers, while doing it. But to be fair, I'm asking too much from this show-because I would remark that the characters are not consistent with the SHOW canon either. For example: They made Alicent and Rhaenyra hate each other for 20 years (just like in the book) but suddenly both of them want peace? Both of them don't care about the deaths of their son&grandson? Really? Then why didn't they try to make peace BEFORE everything got worse? Previously, way smaller things made them ignore each other for years but now they don't care about safety or their children. Alicent for 10 years was holding a grudge because her father got fired but here we are - nobody cares for Jaehaerys! Apparently, Rhaenyra even forgot that Luke was avenged ! She wants another son! Brilliant! ( By the way, the writers already confirmed that the sept reunion was a fanservice,I suspect this meeting is too. Very bad the show was ready to sacrifice all the logic just to please fans) Even Aemond&Helaena small scene ruined Helaena's characher and broke the lore - from what point did she start to understand her prophecies soo clearly ? Why did she want to run away with Alicent 5 minutes ago if she saw everyone's fate already? Doesn't she care for her family ? Because it looked like she wants to use her powers only for herself.And how long have dreamers been astrally moving into other people's heads? I really don't want to discuss this episode much and I can't. The only scenes I like were with Cole, Gwayne , Ulf, and Tyland. And I know the reason why: the secondary characters have a superficial description and little screen time, so it's impossible to screw it up. By in the mix with good acting (and it must be admitted that almost all of the actors in the show are excellent) it gives these characters advantages of being interestingly and consistently written. Also, note that all those listed characters are all male, which means they are allowed to have flaws in this show. Yes, that's right, for some reason "women don't want blood, they are all peaceful" narrative is repeated over and over again. It made them all bland and illogical.Even Alys, as other women in this season, is just another smallfolk champion because "women want peace, men are violent". Seriously, why can't women be just people? You know, have flaws, desires and bad habits? The only main character that got fair treatment turned out to be Aegon, and I suspect that happened thanks to incredible work of the actor Tom Glynn-Carney. Because other charachers just don't make sense, so he must be an exception. I mean, deaths don't have any affect on charachers, previous motivations were forgotten or replaced with prophecy stuff. This season feels like a huge filler because nothing has consequences and weight, we see the same scenes over again, and the show refuses to show both sides of the story equally bad. I don't know if season 3 , even with incredible writers and help of GRRM, will be able get out of this hole. I think the damage have been made and it is useless to hope that the story will become better, only if not on the condition that they ignore season 2 almost completely. This episode deserves 2/10 just because of the colossal damage they did to the whole story& message by ruining Alicent.The season as a whole 5,-8 or 6/10 and I'm being generous.
You'd really have to ignore huge parts of season 2 to be able to redeem the show in season 3, but I have no hope. The writers can't be trusted. Somehow GRRM writes women better than the female writers of the series, who just want girl boss moments and keep injecting romance where there is none because the actors have great chemistry off-screen. Disaster.
Aegon isn't the best character because of the actor (he was great but most actors here are good) it's because he is stupid, so without realizing the writers understood him and made him the only character who actually feels human. Because they are stupid like him. Everybody else has to be intelligent for all the scheming and waring and planning, but the writers don't know anything about that.
I personally am still quite enjoying the show (It's absolutely not without major flaws and I do have my criticisms, but it's holding together pretty well - unlike the boys season 4... which was pretty bad...) TL,DR: I think Preston has been consistently missing some pretty obvious character work/motivations and then going off on wild tangents built on his misconceptions. Couple of things I think they've got completely wrong (and feel free to correct me). Keep in mind: I have never read any of the books (and never will, because GRRM will never finish them), so I don't know how things are differing from the source material (and don't care all that much). Also, almost everything I know about the magic system, I learned from Preston (the other bit is Glidus and Schwifty). Daemon is already off the "I wanna be king" train when he has his convo with Broome (He calls Broome a turncoat and scoffs at him when he says Daemon should be king and then just walks away). The lesson he learns in his last vision at the weirwood is understanding the burden that Viserys (and now Rhaenyra) and that maybe he shouldn't be making their jobs difficult by being an insecure little bitch. But by that point (by my read), he's already learned his primary lesson - that Viserys chose Rhaenyra. Importantly, the last vision does not make Daemon accept Viserys' choice, it simply makes him respect Rhaenyra's responsibility. That being said... the dagger prophecy shit has always been stupid. The only times it was remotely useful is when it was used to show Daemon that he was never Viserys' heir and when Rhaenyra uses it to justify her holy war shit when she's getting her messiah on. I don't need to hear about the Others... ever again. Also... this man just saw the end of dragons and didn't blink an eye. Approximately half of the final vision is very dumb and should never have been there (CW Bloodraven, Dany, the Others). The rest could be salvaged with some tweaks. Helaena reaches out to Daemon because she believes Aemond has to be killed (see both of her conversations with Aemond about going to war - she knows he burned down a town because he was insulted and she knows he tried to kill Aegon) and obviously Daemon is the only one mad and powerful enough to try something like that. (I thought it was a bit of a jump for her to go from dreamer to telepathically inserting herself into other people's dreams and talking to them... so that's not good... but her motivation is incredibly obvious.) Alicent is (rightly) unconcerned about Aemond's wellbeing... for obvious reasons. And let's be honest, her one consistent character trait has been being entirely disgusted by Aegon, so when she's trying to save herself, Helaena, Helaena's daughter, and generally the entire capital... Aegon is a small price to pay when she's desperate (also let's not forget that he is in fact a rapist and generally a bit a shit). And about Daeron, I'm pretty sure she's decided that it's best she not inflict herself upon him (see her convo with her brother a few episodes back). Though I agree, she has too many scenes this season. As far as her going there in the first place, it works a lot better than Rhaenyra going to Kingslanding (which was unspeakable dumb). However, for Alicent, she's not really risking anything other than her own life. Jace being upset about bastard dragonriders just makes sense. Jace has been shown to be forward thinking and invested in the legitimacy and security of both his mother's and his own claims. The Larys and crippled Aegon thing is pretty obvious if you put two and two together. Larys doesn't have any chance at power with Aemond in charge - so Aegon is his ticket. So he needs Aegon alive and functional. So he needs Aegon to *want to be* alive and functional. The cripple speeches are supposed to be ingratiating himself to Aegon. And maybe he does feel genuine sympathy and kinship with his struggles, but that's obviously not his primary reason. "Rhaenyra let those small folk burn alive and get eaten by a dragon!" Yep, she thinks she's the chosen one. It's one hell of a drug. "Oh there's no freewill! It's all prophecy and fate!" Such is the way of prequels and tragedies (Andor is the exception). But i will give him that the Sheepstealer plotline with Daemon's daughter is ridiculous. Comical. I almost began to wonder if Arryn ordered her men to not look for the girl in the hopes that she would run off and try to tame the dragon... And I almost jumped out of my seat when Cole finally mentioned that Alicent saved him from the consequences of his wedding murder (Another one of those flaws). fin. I really do like Preston's content though, I just think he's been pretty badly off on some of his HotD 2 takes.
When I heard there would be 8 episodes I thought “Well that sucks but at least we know that this season will be jam packed with insane events since it’s only 8 epis.” I’ve never been so wrong in my damn life. Episodes 1-4 were great but the finale left a bad taste in my mouth. Actually, that’s an understatement since truthfully I wanted to thrown my TV out the damn window once the credits rolled. I couldn’t believe that all that buildup led to nothing. I didn’t even need dragons, explosions or a big battle but just SOME type of emotional payoff which we didn’t get.
The agree to kill my son was absolutely dumb, I agree. In fairness the did setup that Alisent absolutely hates him, but the guilt alone would stop you agreeing to that.
I feel like im in a parallel universe, i almost always agree with Preston's points, but how are the Tyland's scenes the best ones? why the representatives of the free cities looking so dirty, and their environment didnt seem as wealthy as one would expect. It looked like a thieves den. Then they praised PhilosophyTube?! the acting was like something out of power rangers , and so cringe. also btw She SA'ed the youtuber Contrapoints, i guess stealing Contrapoint's video essay style wasnt enough for PhilosophyTube, she also had to try and fondle Contrapoints.
I agree with you on philosophytube’s acting but I think the triarchy scene doesnt have to be flawless to be the best of the episode, just have to be less flawed lmao, and in that regard I think it was the best scene we got
Yeah. He brings a really warm energy, especially in this episode. He's very fun, patient, and easy going on these streams. He has a lot of the traits I really like in people :)
Best scene by far in that atrocity is Aegon and Larys. Aegon "The Realm's Delight" made me howl with laughter. I know I shouldn't have, but it was too funny
I remember when Preston Jacobs did really cool theory videos about time travelling Bran or the house with the red door or the dragon X gene. That was cool, this stuff is dull.
> What happens to the dagger after Night King explods? It's like in Heretics of Dune. The bearer of the prophecy is destroyed, so the humanity is free to live, not to follow the prophesized path.
I think the show plays it in a way where Damon actually cares and has a soft spot for Rhaenyra. The same way he returned the dragon egg in season one when they came face to face, he forgets all his dreams of ruling himself when she suddenly stands right in front of him. He just loves this girl and will not go against her, as much as he wants to.
I don't think the HoTD writers watched GOT S8... because in the inside the episode segment they mention how Daenerys, descendent of Daemon and Rhaenyra defeated the WW threat when we all know what happened.... Are they trying to retcon S8? I cannot take them seriously when they seem to think none of us remember what happened there. How can they take themselves seriously? I really think the best actors are these writers and producers who come on with a straight face lying to the audience. Either that or they are so delusional they believe their own lies. Oh and sorry but IMO the whole Tyland section this episode was terrible because it also came from nowhere and went nowhere. Not only was the tone of that section so out of step with the rest of the show, it made no sense and had no purpose except to add to the length of the episode. The acting was great but it was unnecessary and served no purpose.
Yeah did the writers not even watch Game of Thrones season 8? Daenerys wasn't the Prince who was promised she wasn't the one to destroy the white walkers and she went nuts and laid waste to Kings Landing in a last minute heel turn.
Regarding the missaria kiss, i think it should schould thematicly show us how to interpret Alicents "You loved me once." We saw seeds of it during early season one, but now it is clear what happend in the timeskip, and it gives the leanor beach scene more meaning. Aside from that i agree that the the season has big flaws.
I imagine the battles during the dance were relatively small because of the dragons. They should all know about the field of fire. The lords propably didnt want to lose all their peasants.
Whoever wrote the Criston and Gwayne conversation clearly didn't use a search of ice and fire, I thought it sounded weird that they said "philosophy", checked the search anddddd GRRM hasn't used the word, womp womp
GRRM does use "apology", so words of glaringly Greek origin are not entirely off the table. Sansa straight up said OK in Game of Thrones, now THAT bothered me too, lol.
Thank you gents (and the chat) for taking a break from politics this week. I know what I’m signing up for when I watch these streams but it was just nice for a break.
Funny seeing you all as down on season 2 as I was on season 1, while my own opinion has mellowed a lot. Last season the inconsistencies in plot and character were so bad they outweighed the great individual scenes and acting for me. This season the stupid scenes were not as bad, and the characters just a bit more consistent, allowing me to appreciate the good stuff more. It still all falls apart on closer inspection, but at least I'm enjoying myself while I'm watching and not thinking about it too much.
Counterpoint to Prestons take on the Daemon vision: When watching I thought it gave him more agency. Note that having grand visions is something that makes Targaryens seem more connected to Aegon, hence the Song of Ice and Fire only being known to kings. He could have seen that vision as proof that he is the conqueror reborn or some BS. Instead it humbled him and made him get his shit together. Then Broome comes along and gives him a last way to power, to which he immediately realises its not for him. I found it actually a pretty great way to finish his arc with two final tests.
Something I just realized, why isn’t Cretan Stark getting the Daemon visions? He’s the one who’s really important, it’s a descendant of his that actually saves the world. Dany does literally nothing but help the white walkers.
They gotta bring in Quaithe and Kinvara. They're gonna meet up and discuss their plan to explain why they weren't in season 8. "Hey, if the White Walkers ever attack, it's very important that we gotta go to this secluded place to do this secret thing."
They should show what the other great lords are up to like wtf are the Baratheons doing or why only the Hightowers are joining from the Reach, and go deeper into the Arryns idk. This shit is NOT fleshed out
"Came from nothing went nowhere" perfectly describes this season.
So can we dub it, Alyn Oakenfist??
Look Preston, you're missing the point. Otto Hightower is getting cats for the Red Keep because the ratcatchers are gone. Now, these cats will be the ancestors of Balerion the black cat. Balerion is the ancestor of Ser Pounce and all future cats of the RedKeep. Its an intergenerational story. Those cats rule the RedKeep
Try and understand the *story*. Geez.
Exactly, PJ just intentionally missing how it’s all connected 😂 🐈⬛ 🐈 Ser Pounce will sit the iron throne 👑
Preston can't keep up, eh?
Avg Preston, can't see the forest for the trees
Sagwa but in Kings Landing would be an interesting spin-off.
@@timocruz510 Not his fault. There are no cats in America (and the streets are paved with cheese).
"Came from nothing. Went nowhere." should be this show's tagline, tbh.
I'm surprised we didn't get a scene of the Eyrie and then the entire Vale LOSING THEIR MINDS that a Targaryen Princess has gone missing. What if she fell, is she dead? Did the Vale Mountain Clans kidnap her? What if that wild dragon ate her? The entire army of the Vale should be scouring every corner from the Bloody gate to each of the fingers to find her.
Also. When Rhaenyra said "a son for a son" did anyone else shout at the screen "You killed Jaeherys!!!". Like, sure, she didn't want it, Daemon didn't want it, but it still happened. In that moment of desperation you would think Alicent would try to use that death. Though i guess in the show Blood and Cheese has the inverse effect. After the death of her son Helaena is more cogent and is now considered a possible dragonrider.
Oh, she's just a Targaryen princess. Daughter of the King Consort, Daemon Targaryen and step daughter and ambassador of Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen. Big deal. Targaryen princesses dance around in the wild vale all the time. Nobody criticise the showmakers, okay?😊
@@user-zq1gs7nt5dAll it needed was one scene of Jeyne Arryn being told by the Maester while holding court and everyone goes quiet. Then she starts screaming for her guards. "Find her!!! Find her now!!!"
Rhaena slipped down the cliff and Daemon will commit a full blown Vale genocide, which might be a blessing in disguise because it would have saved us from Littlefinger.
@@nont18411 Daemon cares about her as much as the audience does.
I hate how they wasted her character these last 2 eps
This season had some significant Preston Jacobs character development though.
In like episode 1 or 2: "They're turning crap into gold."
Now in episode 8: "This is awful, they ruined it beyond repair."
Both pretty accurate
It's been quite a rollercoaster.
Wait for more prophecies in "The Knight of Seven Kingdoms". Dunk gonna see Brienne in the Future 😂😂😂
Oh god please no
lmao ''You must live Dunk. See this vision, this woman, this big blonde woman, she has your blood and will be part of the saving of the world. You have to live, you have to train Egg, he has to rule. You are but a piece in this story.''
To be honest, after the leaks came out I was looking forward to Preston's rants much more than the actual episode
😂😂😂 you already know
Preston please never think you’re being too hard on the show. We need people who will actually critique it
Yeah! Even in this comment section, it's infuriating to see hack-writers who don't give a shit write fanfic level crap whith millions and millions of dollars, while there is people with real visions out there getting nothing.
It got as Hots, the Witcher, RoP, SW ....
I was especially PISSED by what they did to Alicent, who forgot how her grandson’s head was cut off and agreed to give her son up to die. She trusts Rhaenyra after 20 years of fighting? After Rhaenyra and Daemon made "Laenor's death" seem like they killed him on purpose so they could get married? After her grandson was stabbed to death in his bed? She doesn’t understand that by inheritance, all THREE of her sons will be considered Rhaenyra’s competitors and will be executed? That her father, lover and brother will also be executed? That Damon will achieve this? Not even her granddaughter is safe either, since she is Aegon’s only child and his heir.
God, they made a complete fool of her, made ger Rhaenyra's simp.They just made it up that Alicent and Rhaenyra had lesbian feelings for each other ( which was change fine at first), and now they break everything so that this “divorced couple who still loves each other” (this quote from the director) would sacrifice their children for each other. Just some fanfiction of a 13 year old girl, I’m sorry that the actors were forced to play this.
Watch Alicent witnessing Rhaenyra's death instead of Aegon lll and her poisoning her own son after it. I'm done.
Fanfiction of a 13 year old girl, that's precisely the level of writing we have here 🤦
I thought aegons daughter would be safe ? Because she’s a female. Isn’t it only the male heirs in danger aegon aemond and daeron.
What I don't get is why they show Daemon Daenerys out of pyre with 3 dragons.
Why is that supposed to be impressive for Daemon. There are like 15 dragons in the world.
I think they are saying Dany is the prince that is promised, even though its shown she wasn’t and that whole plot meant nothing 😂
@officerdank4644 what do you mean she wasn't? She clearly dumped Arya, her Lightbringer, onto Night King!
@@iliaponomarev1624 loooool i have ptsd from seeing arya now
I hate it how they reference GoT and white walkers so much in this show. We know how that story ends and all this prophecy talk is pointless in the end. And i thought that Daemon's plot this season had some point but it was pointless in the end.
I think maybe it's showing that every dragon dreamer sees Daenerys , and it will continue in dunk and egg
The whole prophecy thing, I think GRRM did it so well with Cersei Lannister.
He introduced the prophecy from Maggy the Frog in books 4 after Joffrey and Tywin were already dead and House Lannister went into a downward spiral.
Which in the hindsight made the prophecy not matter that much compared to what Cersei did. Those kids are dead and her getting killed by Jaime (I supposed) aren’t because of some frog lady said so. It’s mainly because Cersei is such a piece of sh*t that she turned everyone around her into enemies in order to subvert said prophecy.
One third of Season 2s trailer was actually stills from this episode. Stills, mind, not scenes. And these stills are kind of the trailer for Season 3. So, we got a trailer within a trailer within a trailer. I guess they like Inception
Trailerception. *Bwannng!*
@@divismaul lol
One could almost call it DEception.
@@MarkHogan994 This one got a wheeze out of me
I wish they would stop bringing up the white walkers! We all know that the white walkers were defeated in LESS THAN A DAY & by a 90 pound little girl with a dagger no less, so the writers reminding us of this constantly just HURTS! In season 1 this show was removing the stain of season 8 for me and it was refreshing to see them steer away from Game of Thrones but now Condal is trying to make this show Game of Thrones and I can’t stand what he’s doing with it. And I can’t watch Rhaenyra anymore. This isn’t the Rhaenyra from the book. Lord knows why the writers thought a more peaceful, calm, diplomatic Rhaenyra would be more entertaining than the Rhaenyra GRRM crafted. The woman lost her son, lost her baby, lost her father, lost her throne, lost Rhaenys and was nearly ASSASSINATED and that STILL wasn’t enough for her to want blood. What will at this point? They constantly tease us with these “mad queen” face expressions she keeps making or pretending she is becoming more dark, only for us to learn a few scenes later that she actually still wants no bloodshed and that she hasn’t really changed or been affected by the events happening around her. Corlys had to convince her to fight FFS! Like, f*ck me. She actually said that the new dragons she gained she planned on just using as a deterrence. JUST END ME ALREADY. And 20% of the episode was focused on a girl boss androgynous pirate who no one gives AF about! And who seemed cartoonish to me. And I don’t care about Rhaena. She makes the same pikachu face all season and we’ve already seen the storyline of a child being belittled because they don’t have a dragon and then gaining a dragon and that child’s name was Aemond! Why would I want to see that storyline again instead of Nettles? I cautioned fans all season to wait for the finale before passing judgement and now I have egg on my face. Thanks, Ryan Condal.
@@StefunnyStrange You are getting that Rhaenyra though. Her refusing Alicent’s request outright, spurning her attempts at redemption and demanding she kill her own son as penance for Luke was absolutely indicative of a more ruthless and blood hungry Rhaenyra, as did the dinner scene where she told them what they’d have to do.
I’m not saying it didn’t take an ungodly long time to get here, but the pieces are finally there for what’s about to change in S3.
@@Longshanks1690 That’s not ruthless, that’s just business as usual when it comes to usurpers in this universe. For treason, you behead. They tried to assassinate her FFS! Who wouldn’t behead after that? Even the honorable Ned Stark would’ve beheaded his ass. Corlys literally had to CONVINCE Rhaenyra to get violent. She needed convincing…. STILL! And she told Coryls that she actually just planned on using her new gained dragons as a deterrence! Like, FML. I’m not gonna pretend we weren’t misled, we were. What was the point of her turning around to face the camera in the season 1 finale and looking enraged? What was the point in the way she glared at Aemond after he was outmatched with her 3 dragons? Where was that payoff in any of that? This was the biggest blue ball finale of the century.
And I’m not the type who needs battles and dragons every episode but there should have AT LEAST been some sort of emotional payoff that deeply moved fans if not a major battle or having Rhaenyra taking Kings Landing. I defended the show but the red flags are starting to pile up. They are omitting extremely interesting parts from the book just to include their own uninteresting versions of George’s story. Hopefully they can turn things around soon. I haven’t given up yet.
@@StefunnyStrange Yeah the way they ended season 1 i thought Rhaenyra would be out for blood. But instead she is this peacemaker no matter what happens. Also the power swing to black side has been really big as greens only have Aemond and Vhagar left. Everyone else have left or refuse to help Aemond. Rhaenyra has nothing in her way to go and take Kings Landing. But still she plans to go around the world to burn some other castles. At this point someone needs to yell Rhaenyra to do something useful for change and win this war. I also have defended this show and told people who didnt want to watch this cause of ending of GoT that this show is worth to watch. I regret watching this now.
@@StefunnyStrange Completely agree. The second half of the season was not good. The Finale was not good. And Halaena's prophecy for Aemond made me angry. Like, spoilers...
Are we not concerned with hostages anymore? Rhaenyra could've easily just taken Alicent hostage (same as the other way around, when Rhaenyra went to talk to alicent). Remember how important hostages were in GoT? Baelon Greyjoy was kept at bay because Theon was a hostage. Or Sansa being held hostage at KL, or Tyrion being held hostage by Catelyn started the war. But now characters just exist, they can be anywhere, anytime with no consequence
Well, Alicent probably thought Aemond or the council didn't care - and was probably even right about it. And Rhaenyra thought "Well, if she is here, they probably do not care about her.", So...
You're right of course but you have to realize that, in the show, both the Greens and the Blacks are led by two pacifists who are trying their hardest to avoid winning this war
@@LarthV and that's a problem, because very important people, in theory, like the queen mother are not considered important. i think the writers completely forgot about this aspect and just didn't think about it
@@aegorrivers6700 That's possible, though I am giving a TV show a bit more leeway in terms of character's actions, since other than a book they will frequently have main characters appear in situations where irl one would expect emissaries or support characters.
Early prediction for HOTD season 3: Condal will watch all the TH-cam videos after this season and correct the mistakes mentioned by TH-camrs pertaining to this season, but will fail to correct the mistakes of the next season. The guy is a people pleaser and it shows in his writing .
At this point corecting all mistakes would mean scrapping both seasons and rebooting it from start
@@bekongwu602
I hope he'll ignore all the ridiculous wailing on TH-cam.
@@alanpennie enjoy mediocrity
Ah, the JK Rowling “leapfrog writing” technique, I can see that, we’ll get time turners next season, then a maester will knock over a cabinet and break them all in season 4
Ah, the JK Rowling “leapfrog writing” technique, I can see that, we’ll get time turners next season, then a maester will knock over a cabinet and break them all in season 4
man if only there were 2 more episodes what a bad place to end off at
Wouldn’t have made the season better…
@@bekongwu602 It would have. 2 episode like ep. 4? Important characters dying, war, extremes characters, agencies and fast pacing. Could’ve turned it around.
Yeah they are dragging the story so much that it almost puts Hobbit in shame.
Like season 8 , more episode wouldnt fix anything if the writing stay dogshit
@@gilgamesh8334 Should've been a 12-episode season with Rhaenyra taking KL
How can people say there’s no comedy in this show when we have the Rhaena scenes? 😂
I burst out laughing every time they cut back to a Targaryen princess - effectively if not De Jure - being allowed to wander the wilderness and not once did she meet an Arryn guard, a shepherd or a Vale tribesman.
How is that not comedy gold? 🤣
Rhaena is one slip off a cliff away from the complete extinction of House Arryn.
Rhaenyra has all the justification to nuke the Vale if Rhaena died under their watch.
@@nont18411 Rhaenyra cares less about Rhaena than the audience, no way she responds that way
That's just show continuity. The Vale was empty in S1E5 when Rhea Royce was on her hunt.
ChatGPT season 2
Even better comedy, they take one of the BEST characters from the not very good source material, nettles (she isn't some amazing dragon rider with blood or a bastard, she's just a girl who loves a dragon and feeds it shit, amazing).
They took that wonderful, excellent character, and replaced it with what..... Rhaena? Seriously? Fucking Rhaena, you're replacing nettles, a girl who tamed a dragon by feeding it sheep, and fucked Daemon into more or less open rebellion, and giving us pikachu face instead. Yikes.
After watching HOTD season 2 I firmly believe that When hiring writers or a therapist, the most important question to ask is: do you believe in free will?
Seriously…. !! How do you completely and intentionally miss the biggest theme GRRM weaves into his writing :/ ughhhhhhhhhh
Hodor disproves free will. Hodor was Hodor before bran was ever born, which means bran couldn't have not been born/not fallen/etc etc.
It's the entire reason the character of Hodor exists, to establish a fixed timeline so everything can't just be explained by time travel nonsense. If you must have any kinda of time travel the only way to have it without a million paradoxes is fixed timeline.
@@suzukisixk7 i get what you’re saying and that’s totally valid. but i do strongly feel that the overarching theme in GRRM’s writing is the fallacy of misinterpreting prophecy which we see often happen in this world. i mean he’s def an atheist and i think it’s meant to come thru. also i wanted to include this from an interview with GRRM on what ti expect regarding the “Hold the Door” scene we saw on GoT: GEORGE R. R. MARTIN: It’s an obscenity to go into somebody’s mind. So Bran may be responsible for Hodor’s simplicity, due to going into his mind so powerfully that it rippled back through time. The explanation of Bran’s powers, the whole question of time and causality-can we affect the past? Is time a river you can only sail one way or an ocean that can be affected wherever you drop into it? These are issues I want to explore in the book -Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon (James Hibberd)
So anyway, just food for thought as we still haven’t got WoW.
@@suzukisixk7 well, looking at the ASOIAF wiki it says Hodor was born in 283 and Bran was born in 290. so Hodor was 7 when Bran was born if these dates are to be believed. if these dates are true, then it could be argued that Bran's birth predated Hodor becoming lame in the head, and everything prior to that could just be explained by Hodor being a 7 year old boy no more intelligent than any given lowborn, then Bran goes into the past and into Hodor's mind when Hodor was 7 years old or afterwards. so it would still he a "free act" of Bran still going back in time to create the Hodor we know being lame in the head. so all the events that happen to Bran leading up to him being the 3EC wasn't predetermined and only happened after he gained the abilities and went back into Hodor's mind, etc
@@b1bbscraz3y thats wrong, you simple cant explain the hodor brain damage happening without the incident with bran, and the effect pre dated the cause (being before he was born was just icing on the cake)
this means bran could not have died when he fell from the tower for example...because he already lived on to do the damage to hodor, he just hadnt experienced it yet. iE determinism
Condal kinda forgot he have a show to run (connecting the episodes, doing sanity checks, correcting the scripts)
Very lazy show runner… far worse than D&D imo
I wouldnt go that far @@bekongwu602
@@bekongwu602 D&D at least took 5 seasons to f*ck it up. Condal & Hess only took 2.
He kinda was on a strike
@@alexandrec326no he wasn’t - the WGA did not affect the scripts which were all finalised in preproduction; table readings started in January 2023 and production started April 2023. The WGA strike started May 2023.
The trades interviewed Condal and Hess at the time and reported ad nauseam that the production was not affected by the WGA strike.
Alfred Broome fleeing into the crowd when they begin to cheer was the funniest detail of the episode.
First episode of HOTD where I was physically disappointed... why do we need these gratuitous references to GoT? How did that dream help Daemon change his entire arc? How is Helena's dream suddenly crystal clear? Why are we suddenly having that Cole/Hightower conversation about fvcking the queen in front of everyone? That girl running amok (no one looking for her) to find a dragon is just so pointless...
Horrible stuff smh
Daemon needed to do his psychedelic therapy to understand himself better, he was already changing his mind and realising why he should do better by rhaenyra in a personal sense and just be a better person in general. The conflict between the Rivermen houses and the outcome that happened while he was going through that introspection also taught him that he needs to do better by the people who he wants to follow him, great power and responsibility and all that, his actions have consequences.
The vision isn't the decider, but it's the final nail in the coffin for old Daemon.
He wouldn't have accepted what he was shown if Alys just hit him with it the moment he showed up at Harrenhal. He needed to learn that he doesn't really want the crown first, then that there is a greater purpose to supporting rhaenyra on top of that to really cement his choice.
Daemon only went through his therapy because Alys made him do it, he wouldn't have otherwise, he didn't want to change, or didn't know he wanted to change. I agree with Preston that it would have been better if he'd just gone through his personal introspection therapy trip and made the choice to support her solely based off that without needing to know about the events of GoT to do it. But the prophecy shit is already introduced to the story and it's not sudden out of nowhere "divine intervention" making him change his mind, it's been divine intervention since he got to Harrenhal
How did Alicent get past the Green blockade when they made a very specific point of emphasising Aemond closed the port and is monitoring all shipping in the harbour? Jetpack prototype? 😂
She borrowed the teleporter of a certain spider
.... She's the former Queen. With a Kingsguard with her. If she commands a simple Gold Cloak to let her out.. Or a simple fn boat captain that she's going for a boat ride... They aren't going to obey her command???!!! Of *course* they are.
@@thisguy8106 I think they would reasonably fear Aemond more than Alicent and wouldn’t dare risk countermanding his orders without his direct say so, and risk his wrath.
She's a water spirit. Lake river sea.
@@user-zq1gs7nt5d😂
"A dragonrider since the age of twelve, Helaena's greatest joy in life is to take to the skies on the back of her dragon Dreamfyre."
smh
You just know there'll be more Alicent-Rhaenyra drama when she finds that Aegon is not in the city, and drama about Otto desperately trying to get to KL, only to get executed in Aegon's stead, and then Alicent cries etc.
7:10 Larys "helping" Aegon makes perfect sense to me. It is obvious he can't influence Aemond, so he tries to get Aegon back on the throne, and ingratiates himself, so he can manipulate the king later.
Indeed.
Another argument for Aegon being sent to the wall: He lost his "sausage"(theon feelings). As he cannot have heirs, the bigger problem is the kids and his brother.
The ditching of Nettles is the greatest curse on this show i can imagine.
They're trying to keep Rhaenyra the saint it seems (iykyk)
@@timocruz510it's making her character weak and unlikeable. And to make matters worse, she's just like her father, but she's not played by an amazing actor, so her character falls flat
Nettles and Daemon was one of the more interesting sub plots in F&B, very disappointed they decided to cut it. Seems like they'll give Rhaena her storyline (minus the Daemon part, which is the only interesting thing about her story lol)
I do not understand why they're leaving Nettles out it makes no sense
@@mschell8022
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with this minor character.
when they played "Rains of Castamere" leitmotif in the end, I screamed "That's not the Lannister theme! That's Tywin's theme, he destroyed the Reynes.
😂Condal is clueless… it is what happens when you give a fanboy the keys to the kingdom… it is not about being a fan of the show or being true to the source material, what it comes down to is being grounded, being thorough, making choices ( something stripped away from the characters), and remaining coherent from episode to episode… Condal is clueless 😂
..... That's insane, and yet... I'm not too surprised
@@pacodance29 The Lannisters don’t have another theme, and it was only playing for a few seconds while his army marched, it’s not that big a deal lmao.
@@Longshanks1690 yea but it shows a lack of care. It's like if a dragonrider called their dragon the wrong name. Sure overall it doesn't matter but it's insane that would happen.
@@mysteryboxe9230 No, it’s not like that at all. It’s like if they played High Sparrow over The Shepherd and the storming of the Dragonpit. It’s technically for another character and time, but come on, everyone knows it’s analogous enough to be fine for this situation.
First scene of season 3 better be Rhaena being eaten by Sheepsteeler then nettles coming in later
9:50 Funny how this useless tool labels as grifters anyone who criticizes terrible SW shows but their critic of this show (which's finale sucked) is legit and comes from love and deep knowledge of source material!
Are you triggered? mmmm. yes i think so :P
@@OfficialRedTeamReview The lack of self awareness is astounding (both regarding your take on grifters and being triggered) , it's you defending your stupid takes under every disagreeing comment, maybe stop being such a hostile duchebag and a partisan hack which leads to hypocrisy and baseless contrarianism and maybe than people will respect you and your opinion!
@@OfficialRedTeamReviewThe lack of self awareness is astounding (both regarding your takes and being triggered) it's you defending your hypocritical takes under every disagreeing comment, maybe if you stop being so hostile and a partisan hack which leads to hypocrisy and baseless contrarianism, people will start to respect you and your opinions!
Btw dont you realise what you call 'right wing grifters' throwing shade at star wars might have equivalent legitimate gripes on what disney star wars has become?
Watching Tyland adventures was very painful, scary, and disturbing.
It's like one of the biggest fears: find myself in the middle of a party with very cringe people and have no right to say no to any shit they force me to do.
It was appalling. Pure bad pussy vibes
Lol
You're afraid of... Diplomacy?
@@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. Only diplomacy with cringe, I think.
@@ur.kr.2814 So diplomacy with unfamiliar cultures.
Its ironic coming from Carmine that those "right wing grifter guys" are just targeting Star wars because they are right wing grifter guys with no arguments and just hate stuff and then tries to say "well me and Preston we dont spread hate we just criticize the writing!". However, everything I've watched from those supposed "right wing grifters" is them criticizing the writing just the same as you are. You just disagree with them because you're a lefty. Get some perspective kiddo
Imo the people they're referring to are usually more sensation and spend a lot of time talking about things like diversity, Kathleen Kennedy, and the woke agenda though.
I mean they use "right wing grifter" loosely though tbf. If the called people like EFAP grifters, but for someone like Nerdrotic or Critical Drinker I think the term fits personally.
Just my opinion though :)
@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 Correct. But also to add more context to this: right-wing grifters are people covering a topic to spin it in a way that promotes right-wing propaganda without caring much on what they cover. They don't care about Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, HotD, etc etc they care about spinning some random narrative as to why something is bad into it being the fault of "leftist" or "liberal" policies. They tried hard with X-Men 97', Fallout, Furiosa, etc etc by saying it was "woke" and that it would fail but they didn't.
House of the Dragon feels like an Episode of Seinfeld or Curb your enthusiasm where the entire conflict comes from a series of coincidences and misunderstandings.
I hate that Aemond only has ONE outfit for two seasons
Bro only has 20 minutes of screentime and we can't even see his own reaction to burning his brother
Love how redteam over there says "everyone on the right wing who criticize star wars has no meat and its all hate." Then a minute later "we actually have real criticisms of the show here we arent just hating on it we come from a place of loving georges work" how can you be so insensitive and shit on people like that but then whine about how those same statements are made about you? I haven't seen one "right wing" criticism of star wars that didnt have actual substance.
"how can you be so insensitive and shit on people like that but then whine about how those same statements are made about you?"
but also:
"fire in space? lol this is what happens when you hire a woman" - right-wing grifters on Acolyte 2024
@OfficialRedTeamReview Yes, there is a difference between a campfire in space that is blowing in the wind and fuel shooting fire out in space or in an explosion. Also thats not the only criticism nor the most substantial one made by far
@@mrrabbit9407 I have never once complained about something as trivial as "fire in space" in a Star Wars show or movie, expecting scientific levels of realism while also using it as a means to push sexists and racists commentary. Every single piece of criticism, even legitimate ones, goes out the window once someone does that. To defend it is telling on yourself.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview no where in my criticism did I bring up race or gender. I could give you many criticisms about the show but thats not what I was talking about in my original comment. I just didn't think it made sense how you blew off all criticisms of star wars shows when the acolyte was awful for many storytelling related reasons but then immediately complain about people writing off your criticisms (which I think are valid) for this tv show. I think people can make jokes about gender though when the creator Leslie Headland explicitly says its the gayest star wars show. If we can talk about what the showrunners for GoT and HotD say behind the scenes then we should be able to do the same here. You may not agree those are valid jokes or whatnot but to write off every other criticism with that show entirely and then strawman it with "fire in space" just seemed a bit hypocritical. I watch a lot of people you'd probably deem as right wing and some make obnoxious jokes to some people but they all have substantial criticisms and to write them off as sexist and misogynistic without actually arguing anything is exactly why you have to run cover for your valid criticisms as well. Even in your response you conceded the point to (I dont look for that much realism in star wars) okay so we both agree its a somewhat valid criticism and is an error in the writing. My entire point with my original comment was that I just wanted to point out how you're cultivating the very environment you seem to be complaining about. But if you want to write me off as right wing for pointing it out and implying I'm now sexist and mysoginistic for having a nerdy discussion about our sci fi tv shows then I guess that's cool too.
There are definitely right wing idiots who hate on Star Wars for the wrong reasons, but RedTeamReviews generalization on Star Wars criticism is so dumb.
i lost my shit when preston read the robert - ned felatio meme.
The tyland section felt out of the Witcher, the later seasons
Or a Monty Python movie.
It felt really incongruous.
You nailed it. They're going to pin the Blackfyre rebellions on the prophecy shit. God. They ruined it....
ffs if they did that i would refuse to watch it even though its my top 3 favourite time period
@@officerdank4644 Beneath the gold, the Ryan Condal
And? I could absolutely see that being the case in-story. It is specifically stated that Daemon Blackfyre changed his mind late in life.
Misinterpretation of the prince that was promised prophecy on the dagger (the real dark sister?) unironically could be the cause of every main conflict in asoiaf:
- Aegon’s conquest
- Maegor vs. the faith
- the Dance of the Dragons
- the Blackfyre Rebellions
- Summerhall
- Stannis, Daenerys, R+L=J
Embrace the dagger in every theory vid. The dagger will set you free.
That's very true.
It's like that orb from Venture Bros.
The writers hate Alicent, blaming her for B&C, having her glaze Viserys at every turn, making her the reason Aegon goes to war, having both her sons ignore and demean her even though the books emphasise she was a key advisor, have her go crawling to Rhaenyra to apologise, treating her like a slut for having consensual sex for the first time in her entire miserable life, having her give up her sons, father, brothers, uncles, cousins and lover for... idk
Alicent kinda forgot that she should act like a human being, not an action figure for Condal to do whatever he wants.
I think the one possibility everyone is ignoring is that this is a weird meta angle from the writers that the source material “story” is bad and that they are going to do a bunch of Laenor moments and poorly frame it as characters defying fate and choosing their own path. They already claimed to kill sunfyre so I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to Laenor Rhaenyra and have people somehow believe she was eaten by sunfyre. I can’t get over the director of the episode in the inside the episode called it a story of fire and ice. I swear to god it appeared that she genuinely thought that was the series title
If carmine is gunna have the gall to make u put headphones on, on ur own channel, he’s gunna need to turn on that camera
Is Helaena the most powerful telepath we've seen? Seems like she's like the three eyed raven but doesn't need the weirwoods.
Hating on star wars ?! Blindly ?! With no substance ?! Dude you bash on hotd with good reason but you think acolyte and all the rest of disney crap is blind hating ?! Wtf are you on ?!
Yeah lol, all disney star wars is the most obvious garbage in the world. Except andor of course and maybe Rogue One
@@yo-gl6df oh for sure. Andor was on another level, hope we get another season. I even enjoyed ewan mcgregors performance in kenobi. But even he and the rest of the shows are worse than hotd.
Yeah that comment completely lacked self awareness
It was a pretty bizarre “oh but I'm not like these these other girls... *my* criticism is valid".
I listen to long videos on a lot of stuff I don't care about while at work, cleaning my house, exercising, etc (white noise). Among those Star Wars is an easy pick, given the huge amount of long videos on it, and good lord these shows and movies are bad. Not even a portion, most of Star Wars entries are bad. I've engaged with them to see if the commentary on those is accurate and it mostly is, it's all so sloppy and poorly put together.
I feel sorry for the people who care about it because it's been run to the ground. The original trilogy and Andor are the only salvageable things - I still don't like those (I find them boring, not a fan) but they are well made, good stories.
To have Carmine wave all the criticism away as grifting just because he doesn't like the politics of the people making them is wild. Even the more unbearable, over the top culture war Star Wars videos still make points outside of that aspect. It's just very disingenuous to pretend they don't, though maybe Carmine doesn't even watch those, having his opinion formed by staying on Twitter and seeing YT thumbnails.
@@yo-gl6df it's literally always been garbage. even since the 70's it was predictable and cliche
And I'm so pissed about how they are handling the fall of KL. I wanted it to be from the green perspective rather than always having the Black side be the POV (like how blood and cheese was ruined). An almost red wedding style betryal scene with Alicent realising something is off (mirrowing Catelyn in the Red Wedding scene) and walking through the castle finding dead guards. With the audience being in the same boat as the Greens having no idea it was coming. Nevermind then. And they don't even fucking have it in the season? Total garbage.
Every HotD episode is unburdened by what has been
Lol a little Harris humor to lighten the mood
The problem with daemon spending so much time with alys is that alys spends more time with aemond. And after this season they will want to cut down on harrenhal scenes so we miss out on the far more interesting relationship.
HotD and GoT are linked by both catastrophically trashing themselves in the 8th
guys I thought we settled this, GOT went terribly wrong in season 5, before that it was an okay to good show depending on the episode
Its even clearer on rewatch god that season 5 and 6 are stupid and its a shame it didnt get the hate it deserved
@@Magot. But house of the dragon never even got good, let alone got bad.
Concerning the army sizes, another point people forget is that the War of the Five Kings happened right at the tail end of like a decade long summer, which would mean the population would have been larger. I'm not sure they established when the Dance of the Dragons took place in regards to the seasonal cycle.
Alyn's scene this episode gave me the vibe he'd been through multiple winters.
PhilosophyTube was unbearable on the Scenes.
I like PhilosophyTube (I watch all her vids) but her character and acting was pure pure pure cringe
It was really amateurish and you could feel the distinction between her and real (TV) actors
Also I get it is pointless to complain about it but her teeth were fkn distracting
Felt like she saw show Euron as inspiration due to being only one of two pirates from GoT.
Very cringe and badly acted, i had to stop watching her videos after i found that she SA'ed Contrapoints (as if stealing her whole aesthetic wasn't enough) . also i found her videos were more and more about her and giving herself opportunities to show her acting (which is not good anyway) only very tangentially about the subject matter .
@@franbalcal whaaaaaaat!!!! I really hated that she was doing contrapoints fanfic but I never Heard she SA'ed her!
@@nicolasgoulet4091 yes. Contrapoints has alluded to this, but hasn't said who it was. But since they were good friends and shortly after the "incident" they cut all communication, it's not crazy to assume it was philosophy tube.
My theory is (as unbelievable as it may sound) that the dragon scenes ate up the budget and they ended the season however they could without battle scenes or more dragon fighting, no other explanation for the horrible cg on Daemon's visions and Alicent and Rhaeryra's shot reverse shot fest scene. But it doesn't explain the horrible writing 😂
34:30 - Nah, I think Aemond's arc at the end of the day was about him trying to even all the scores. He was bullied as a kid. And now he's making that everyone else's problem. He's taken out Luke, then he takes out Aegon since he thinks he's a better ruler anyway. And he gets more unhinged as the season goes on, he believes himself invincible until he's not. And then he has to confront where his current behaviour will lead him (death).
I admit I thought he was perfectly hinged until he went Mad Queen this episode.
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Dagger
Imagine if Daemon, after seeing those visions just decided to kill Rhaenyra when she came to Harrenhal, taking agency away from the visions and in a broad sense having House of dragon breaking free from the agency that Game of Thrones and Fire and Blood has over it. I really feel like the show is restrained by the books and GoT. But maybe its just restrained by meh writers.
Nettles claims Cannibal by feeding Sheepstealer to Cannibal. 4d chess, checkmate, haters!
PReston, you are not being too hard on the show. This episode and last half of the season was bad. Straight up.
From what is spoken about in this episode, seems Aemond is the only agent of free will left out of the main players, which surely makes him the main protagonist
What favours were exchanged to cast PhilosophyTube here? The scenes were so cringe to watch that it was even physically painful. So hammy and OTT. I thought i was watching a parody at some points.
I guess if you actually want a trans actor, the list of candidates becomes short pretty quickly. And since the book character is implied to be trans...
@@LarthV hmm maybe or maybe instead of casting one with more talent but possibly unknown, they opted for one one who had a built in audience already and may draw a new audience to the show. Is that fair ? Idk it sure doesn't make her acting any better and less cringe.
@@franbalcal Yeah, something like that could well be true. I mean, more famous people have received more significant roles just because they were famous, so...
Very odd indeed.
There were a lot of moments in this season I really liked, but when you stop to see where it all led..
We started this season with war looming, a power struggle in the green faction, Rhaenyra preparing for action, Daemon preparing for action, the Lannisters, Tullies, Starks, Hightowers all preparing for action
And we ended with everyone preparing for action lol. I feel like all forward momentum fully stopped after the Vhagar/Meleys/Sunfyre brawl. It’s like they ran out of budget for fights and decided to just mull until seasons end
Edit:
Last note, my main gripe is, why did it have to take a full season for Rhaenyra, Daemon, Alicent, Aegon, Helaena, etc. to decide to have some resolve. These things should’ve been staggered a bit so we can have forward progression in some arcs as other arcs are in more of a character building moment.
Also Coryls was a HUUUGE nothing burger this season. Starts the season debating if she should acknowledge his bastards, ends the season debating if he should acknowledge his bastards but hey his ship was built
On Cole being Dornish: I get that it being a writer's slip is _very_ possible. But having people migrate _to the neighbouring country_ is not really that big of a strech. People in Spain did this all the time, moving from Muslim to Christian kingdoms and vice versa. In the Middle ages, nobody _really_ cared - not until the 15/16th century.
And no one, not even the writers know Rhynea, aegon and almond are siblings. This unknown mysterious fact had zero impact on anything at all. Ever.
Episode 8 sucked, memberberriea suck. They are making the same mistake dianey made with star wars pushing everything in the direction of something that didn't work toward (Rey, season 8 ending)
It all terminates with a brat leaping out of nowhere stopping the night king in a single evening anyway
1:28:00 I think the reason that the armies are smaller in the house of the dragon age is that armies are not the determining factor in winning wars dragons are. Why would you develop the capacity to raise large armies when they are easily destroyed by dragons?
For the love of god... *It's not a mystery!* I keep saying this. And I get head scratching replies. Repeat after me... "THE. WRITERS. ARE. BAD." Look it up yourselves. Look at the imdb. FIRST OF ALL... The "writers" do not write every episode together. THIS is why the stories are so disjointed. Look at the number of episodes each writer is credited with writing. Which means that Ryan... the writer of The Rock's miserable releases from the 2010, Hercules and Rampage... is the only person writing and overseeing the writing for each episode, in both seasons. EVERYONE else is used for specific episodes. Which is a HORRIBLE idea. I can see having different writers in each season. But only if turnover is needed between seasons. You need writers invested in the greater arc of the characters they're writing. Step by step. ESPECIALLY with an adaptation like Fire & Blood. Where the character work is EVERYTHING. EVEN IF THEY DON'T GO OFF SCRIPT.
The writers themselves are NOT GOOD. Certainly not on the level that Game of Thrones demanded in it's adapted seasons. They do not have the credits for a prestige series. Besides ONE writer, writing ONE episode of The Crown. A few of these writers went on to write The Acolyte. Garbage.
Just look at it. It's bad. It's a bunch of people who have spent too much time in therapy, attaching their own erratic reactions to the characters, as they experience the plot, outlined by George. Completely focused on the wrong aspect of the character work. Random behavior, clearly out of character with what had been written of each character prior to their sudden left turns. Except for Aegon. He's the ONLY CHARACTER that has a consistent arc, from start to finish. And... (drum roll)... that's because... HE'S DUMB. And it remains true, that characters are only as smart as the people writing them. So they can write the idiot boy-king. But they can't write anything consistent for an intelligent character.
And that's it. That's all it is. There's nothing else to speculate on. 🤷
i agree, the skill of the writers is just really poor and there's no way around it. so many questionable scenes, pointless choices. i felt like i could guess exactly what character was going to say before it was even said. they somehow managed to make even the most exciting characters boring
Yep the inconsistencies are ridiculous
Maybe little finger never was smart. Maybe bran controlled him and made him the scheming man he was so he could transport the dagger from place to place causing several important events in the story and ultimately ending up back at winterfell. And finally in Arya’s hands 😂
If you're wondering why Philosophy Tube is in HOTD & The Acolyte: pure astroturfing. There's been this weird movement in the last 5 years to shoehorn in e-celebs into media. People are cutting cables & cancelling subscriptions so they think because some TH-camr is in the show the kids will definitely watch. That's why so much real estate of this incredibly short season is dedicated to them.
Alan of Hull's character is NOTHING like his book counterpart. Alan's an adventurer, a swashbuckling hero type, Alan in the show is just dull and conformist.
White Walkers is the worst plot in whole of GoT/HotD. Not only is it down right boring and stupid, it poisons all other plots by being the most important plot apparently.
Love your Davos and Tyrion analogy in comparison to Alicent and Rhaenyra.
Which brought me to the main problem with GoT later seasons and HoTD this season: Characters don’t act like people and more like action figures smashing with each other.
Just look at Tyrion and Jaime. I know they are fan favorite characters but the other characters are too lenient around them.
- Why wasn’t Davos even mad at Tyrion for killing his real son but was very murderous at Melisandre for burning Shireen?
- Why was Jon so ok whenever he’s in the presence of Tyrion, Jaime or Cersei? He’s so nonchalant about them albeit these three belongs to a family that murdered his father (Ned) and his brother (Robb) while also giving his home to the Boltons. Not to mention that two of them also the parents of Joffrey, who killed Ned, and conspired to cripple Bran. Jon was so enraged at Ramsay for killing Rickon and raping Sansa or Olly for being manipulated into killing him but felt nothing towards the Lannisters who committed genocide against both of his families.
- Tyrion was so smug in front of Davos about how his wildfire killed Davos’ son and ruined Stannis’ invasion but somehow folded at the sight of Daenerys using dragon fire to execute her enemies. Tyrion also made fun of Theon being Stark’s hostage which caused Theon to betray the Starks afterward and ended up being tortured and castrated by Ramsay and yet later on, Tyrion then played a victim and chastised Theon for making the nonexistent joke of him being a dwarf and saying that Theon deserves all the suffering he got.
Tyrion in a show is a piece of sh*t just like everyone else in the Lannister family but the show didn’t aware that he’s a bad guy and tried to portray him as a good guy as hard as possible.
- Remember when the Lannister™️ sword Oathkeeper gave Brienne so much trouble whenever she encountered the Starks and their sympathizers? In the show, she went into a brawl with the Hound to take custody of Arya. In the books, she was forced to kill Jaime to prove her loyalty to Catelyn or else, Cat will kill Podrick.
Some way, somehow in the later seasons, Davos has no issue with Brienne at all. You know, a golden hair lady wearing a Lannister armor wielding a Lannister sword who killed Stannis. Not to mention that Theon trusted Brienne easily after she saved him and Sansa albeit the last time he trusted a rescuer, that same rescuer chopped off his dick and turned him into a slave.
Now the characters in HoTD also stopped acting like people. Alicent is the worst case of them all.
Tyrion killed an enemy soldier who came to conquer his city, while Melisandre murdered a kid in a blood magic ritual. The rest is indeed bullshit.
@@csabagalambos1461 I mean, one of those “enemy soldiers” is Davos’ son. Are you telling me that the guy who has a burning hatred for Melisandre for killing someone else’s daughter somehow never got mad at a guy who killed his own son? Davos even cracked joke with Tyrion about it too.
Also, “the rest is indeed bullshit”. Please tell me what’s wrong with these things I mentioned.
@@nont18411 I'm saying that Davos would hate Melisandre for murdering a girl that was almost like a daughter to him, but he would not necessarily hate an enemy commander whose orders led to his son's death.
If you besiege a castle, you might get killed. Nothing personal about it, unlike the burning of Shireen.
I agreed with everything else you wrote, hence "the rest is indeed bullshit".
Nettles and Sara Snow are on a boat
Writing decisions are made only in order not to repeat the source material and compete with the author of the book in the ability to write characters and stories. Only they are noticeably losing and I now understand exactly why George was so disappointed and refused to participate in writing the third season.
Writers make changes without thinking why the plot was written this way in the first place in the book. They also lose cause-consequences relation and motivations of the charachers, while doing it.
But to be fair, I'm asking too much from this show-because I would remark that the characters are not consistent with the SHOW canon either. For example: They made Alicent and Rhaenyra hate each other for 20 years (just like in the book) but suddenly both of them want peace? Both of them don't care about the deaths of their son&grandson? Really? Then why didn't they try to make peace BEFORE everything got worse? Previously, way smaller things made them ignore each other for years but now they don't care about safety or their children. Alicent for 10 years was holding a grudge because her father got fired but here we are - nobody cares for Jaehaerys! Apparently, Rhaenyra even forgot that Luke was avenged ! She wants another son! Brilliant! ( By the way, the writers already confirmed that the sept reunion was a fanservice,I suspect this meeting is too. Very bad the show was ready to sacrifice all the logic just to please fans)
Even Aemond&Helaena small scene ruined Helaena's characher and broke the lore - from what point did she start to understand her prophecies soo clearly ? Why did she want to run away with Alicent 5 minutes ago if she saw everyone's fate already? Doesn't she care for her family ? Because it looked like she wants to use her powers only for herself.And how long have dreamers been astrally moving into other people's heads?
I really don't want to discuss this episode much and I can't. The only scenes I like were with Cole, Gwayne , Ulf, and Tyland. And I know the reason why: the secondary characters have a superficial description and little screen time, so it's impossible to screw it up. By in the mix with good acting (and it must be admitted that almost all of the actors in the show are excellent) it gives these characters advantages of being interestingly and consistently written. Also, note that all those listed characters are all male, which means they are allowed to have flaws in this show. Yes, that's right, for some reason "women don't want blood, they are all peaceful" narrative is repeated over and over again. It made them all bland and illogical.Even Alys, as other women in this season, is just another smallfolk champion because "women want peace, men are violent". Seriously, why can't women be just people? You know, have flaws, desires and bad habits?
The only main character that got fair treatment turned out to be Aegon, and I suspect that happened thanks to incredible work of the actor Tom Glynn-Carney. Because other charachers just don't make sense, so he must be an exception. I mean, deaths don't have any affect on charachers, previous motivations were forgotten or replaced with prophecy stuff. This season feels like a huge filler because nothing has consequences and weight, we see the same scenes over again, and the show refuses to show both sides of the story equally bad.
I don't know if season 3 , even with incredible writers and help of GRRM, will be able get out of this hole. I think the damage have been made and it is useless to hope that the story will become better, only if not on the condition that they ignore season 2 almost completely.
This episode deserves 2/10 just because of the colossal damage they did to the whole story& message by ruining Alicent.The season as a whole 5,-8 or 6/10 and I'm being generous.
You'd really have to ignore huge parts of season 2 to be able to redeem the show in season 3, but I have no hope. The writers can't be trusted. Somehow GRRM writes women better than the female writers of the series, who just want girl boss moments and keep injecting romance where there is none because the actors have great chemistry off-screen. Disaster.
Aegon isn't the best character because of the actor (he was great but most actors here are good) it's because he is stupid, so without realizing the writers understood him and made him the only character who actually feels human. Because they are stupid like him. Everybody else has to be intelligent for all the scheming and waring and planning, but the writers don't know anything about that.
@@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 maybe it also played its role, yes
"Time-travelling Tommen" is why he had to pretend to be Martyn Lannister and get ki*led by Rickard Karstark 😂
I personally am still quite enjoying the show (It's absolutely not without major flaws and I do have my criticisms, but it's holding together pretty well - unlike the boys season 4... which was pretty bad...)
TL,DR: I think Preston has been consistently missing some pretty obvious character work/motivations and then going off on wild tangents built on his misconceptions.
Couple of things I think they've got completely wrong (and feel free to correct me). Keep in mind: I have never read any of the books (and never will, because GRRM will never finish them), so I don't know how things are differing from the source material (and don't care all that much). Also, almost everything I know about the magic system, I learned from Preston (the other bit is Glidus and Schwifty).
Daemon is already off the "I wanna be king" train when he has his convo with Broome (He calls Broome a turncoat and scoffs at him when he says Daemon should be king and then just walks away). The lesson he learns in his last vision at the weirwood is understanding the burden that Viserys (and now Rhaenyra) and that maybe he shouldn't be making their jobs difficult by being an insecure little bitch. But by that point (by my read), he's already learned his primary lesson - that Viserys chose Rhaenyra. Importantly, the last vision does not make Daemon accept Viserys' choice, it simply makes him respect Rhaenyra's responsibility.
That being said... the dagger prophecy shit has always been stupid. The only times it was remotely useful is when it was used to show Daemon that he was never Viserys' heir and when Rhaenyra uses it to justify her holy war shit when she's getting her messiah on. I don't need to hear about the Others... ever again. Also... this man just saw the end of dragons and didn't blink an eye. Approximately half of the final vision is very dumb and should never have been there (CW Bloodraven, Dany, the Others). The rest could be salvaged with some tweaks.
Helaena reaches out to Daemon because she believes Aemond has to be killed (see both of her conversations with Aemond about going to war - she knows he burned down a town because he was insulted and she knows he tried to kill Aegon) and obviously Daemon is the only one mad and powerful enough to try something like that. (I thought it was a bit of a jump for her to go from dreamer to telepathically inserting herself into other people's dreams and talking to them... so that's not good... but her motivation is incredibly obvious.)
Alicent is (rightly) unconcerned about Aemond's wellbeing... for obvious reasons. And let's be honest, her one consistent character trait has been being entirely disgusted by Aegon, so when she's trying to save herself, Helaena, Helaena's daughter, and generally the entire capital... Aegon is a small price to pay when she's desperate (also let's not forget that he is in fact a rapist and generally a bit a shit). And about Daeron, I'm pretty sure she's decided that it's best she not inflict herself upon him (see her convo with her brother a few episodes back). Though I agree, she has too many scenes this season. As far as her going there in the first place, it works a lot better than Rhaenyra going to Kingslanding (which was unspeakable dumb). However, for Alicent, she's not really risking anything other than her own life.
Jace being upset about bastard dragonriders just makes sense. Jace has been shown to be forward thinking and invested in the legitimacy and security of both his mother's and his own claims.
The Larys and crippled Aegon thing is pretty obvious if you put two and two together. Larys doesn't have any chance at power with Aemond in charge - so Aegon is his ticket. So he needs Aegon alive and functional. So he needs Aegon to *want to be* alive and functional. The cripple speeches are supposed to be ingratiating himself to Aegon. And maybe he does feel genuine sympathy and kinship with his struggles, but that's obviously not his primary reason.
"Rhaenyra let those small folk burn alive and get eaten by a dragon!" Yep, she thinks she's the chosen one. It's one hell of a drug.
"Oh there's no freewill! It's all prophecy and fate!" Such is the way of prequels and tragedies (Andor is the exception).
But i will give him that the Sheepstealer plotline with Daemon's daughter is ridiculous. Comical. I almost began to wonder if Arryn ordered her men to not look for the girl in the hopes that she would run off and try to tame the dragon...
And I almost jumped out of my seat when Cole finally mentioned that Alicent saved him from the consequences of his wedding murder (Another one of those flaws).
fin.
I really do like Preston's content though, I just think he's been pretty badly off on some of his HotD 2 takes.
This is an excellent post.
Though you're more patient with Preston's stupidity than I am.
When I heard there would be 8 episodes I thought “Well that sucks but at least we know that this season will be jam packed with insane events since it’s only 8 epis.” I’ve never been so wrong in my damn life. Episodes 1-4 were great but the finale left a bad taste in my mouth. Actually, that’s an understatement since truthfully I wanted to thrown my TV out the damn window once the credits rolled. I couldn’t believe that all that buildup led to nothing. I didn’t even need dragons, explosions or a big battle but just SOME type of emotional payoff which we didn’t get.
The agree to kill my son was absolutely dumb, I agree. In fairness the did setup that Alisent absolutely hates him, but the guilt alone would stop you agreeing to that.
Otto taken prisoner when? recently or months back? if latter why didn't his family made a fuss?
The show died with Viscerys. And, rhe show was kind bad since inception, as soon as they changing the source material.
I feel like im in a parallel universe, i almost always agree with Preston's points, but how are the Tyland's scenes the best ones? why the representatives of the free cities looking so dirty, and their environment didnt seem as wealthy as one would expect. It looked like a thieves den. Then they praised PhilosophyTube?! the acting was like something out of power rangers , and so cringe. also btw She SA'ed the youtuber Contrapoints, i guess stealing Contrapoint's video essay style wasnt enough for PhilosophyTube, she also had to try and fondle Contrapoints.
i mean i agree but PhilosophyTubes morality has nothing to do with her acting quality
@@Rafael-kl2ts you are right they don't. It's just a coincidence that they are BOTH bad.
I agree with you on philosophytube’s acting but I think the triarchy scene doesnt have to be flawless to be the best of the episode, just have to be less flawed lmao, and in that regard I think it was the best scene we got
love trey on here
Yeah. He brings a really warm energy, especially in this episode. He's very fun, patient, and easy going on these streams. He has a lot of the traits I really like in people :)
Best scene by far in that atrocity is Aegon and Larys. Aegon "The Realm's Delight" made me howl with laughter. I know I shouldn't have, but it was too funny
"The Realms Delight" sounds like a Ben & Jerry's flavor.
@@randeli7785 lol too true
I remember when Preston Jacobs did really cool theory videos about time travelling Bran or the house with the red door or the dragon X gene. That was cool, this stuff is dull.
Yep.
Also wrongheaded.
that Otto scene was so funny like what is he doing
Didn't Aemond say he wanted him back like 3 episodes ago?
@@jellybumfruitcakes
One of Aemond's many *surprisingly reasonable for someone represented as unhinged* decisions.
> What happens to the dagger after Night King explods?
It's like in Heretics of Dune. The bearer of the prophecy is destroyed, so the humanity is free to live, not to follow the prophesized path.
Leto II, God Emperor Wormy Boy, died for our sins ✝️
@@rampantrambling8178 and then died again as a collective of sandworms!
I think the show plays it in a way where Damon actually cares and has a soft spot for Rhaenyra. The same way he returned the dragon egg in season one when they came face to face, he forgets all his dreams of ruling himself when she suddenly stands right in front of him. He just loves this girl and will not go against her, as much as he wants to.
I don't think the HoTD writers watched GOT S8... because in the inside the episode segment they mention how Daenerys, descendent of Daemon and Rhaenyra defeated the WW threat when we all know what happened.... Are they trying to retcon S8? I cannot take them seriously when they seem to think none of us remember what happened there. How can they take themselves seriously? I really think the best actors are these writers and producers who come on with a straight face lying to the audience. Either that or they are so delusional they believe their own lies. Oh and sorry but IMO the whole Tyland section this episode was terrible because it also came from nowhere and went nowhere. Not only was the tone of that section so out of step with the rest of the show, it made no sense and had no purpose except to add to the length of the episode. The acting was great but it was unnecessary and served no purpose.
Yeah did the writers not even watch Game of Thrones season 8? Daenerys wasn't the Prince who was promised she wasn't the one to destroy the white walkers and she went nuts and laid waste to Kings Landing in a last minute heel turn.
I think it's been confirmed some of them didn't watch GOT.
Regarding the missaria kiss, i think it should schould thematicly show us how to interpret Alicents "You loved me once." We saw seeds of it during early season one, but now it is clear what happend in the timeskip, and it gives the leanor beach scene more meaning. Aside from that i agree that the the season has big flaws.
If they want to preserve the Otto actor because he’s so good, why did they give him no speaking lines in 6 episodes?
Lohar is probably inspired by Mary Read character - a female pirate pretending to be man.
I had that thought too.
I imagine the battles during the dance were relatively small because of the dragons. They should all know about the field of fire. The lords propably didnt want to lose all their peasants.
Whoever wrote the Criston and Gwayne conversation clearly didn't use a search of ice and fire, I thought it sounded weird that they said "philosophy", checked the search anddddd GRRM hasn't used the word, womp womp
Stood out to me as well, but I think it was a great scene so I'm not fussed. I'm glad they're making more of Criston's character than in season 1.
In a previous episode Gwayne said "rendezvous", which caught me off guard
GRRM does use "apology", so words of glaringly Greek origin are not entirely off the table. Sansa straight up said OK in Game of Thrones, now THAT bothered me too, lol.
@@csabagalambos1461 Didn’t Tyrion also say “a question for the philosophers” at some point in the show?
@@hristol7537 Olenna says that.
Thank you gents (and the chat) for taking a break from politics this week. I know what I’m signing up for when I watch these streams but it was just nice for a break.
Tbh, I think it’s a bit overreacting to say the show is ruined
Funny seeing you all as down on season 2 as I was on season 1, while my own opinion has mellowed a lot. Last season the inconsistencies in plot and character were so bad they outweighed the great individual scenes and acting for me. This season the stupid scenes were not as bad, and the characters just a bit more consistent, allowing me to appreciate the good stuff more.
It still all falls apart on closer inspection, but at least I'm enjoying myself while I'm watching and not thinking about it too much.
Counterpoint to Prestons take on the Daemon vision: When watching I thought it gave him more agency. Note that having grand visions is something that makes Targaryens seem more connected to Aegon, hence the Song of Ice and Fire only being known to kings. He could have seen that vision as proof that he is the conqueror reborn or some BS. Instead it humbled him and made him get his shit together. Then Broome comes along and gives him a last way to power, to which he immediately realises its not for him. I found it actually a pretty great way to finish his arc with two final tests.
Something I just realized, why isn’t Cretan Stark getting the Daemon visions? He’s the one who’s really important, it’s a descendant of his that actually saves the world. Dany does literally nothing but help the white walkers.
They gotta bring in Quaithe and Kinvara. They're gonna meet up and discuss their plan to explain why they weren't in season 8. "Hey, if the White Walkers ever attack, it's very important that we gotta go to this secluded place to do this secret thing."
They should show what the other great lords are up to like wtf are the Baratheons doing or why only the Hightowers are joining from the Reach, and go deeper into the Arryns idk. This shit is NOT fleshed out
As with got (the more the show went on) the world feels super small and empty (and ugly) and fake
preston where is the doorways review???? you promissed us!!!