What are your thoughts on the chiropractors who say it can increase your life by like 10-15 years? Like does it help your posture so much that you have more energy and think it will help you in the long run health wise
I've never heard those claims before and don't have much of an opinion on it. I do believe that sitting for long periods of time in a chair that promotes proper posture will be far more beneficial to your health in the long term verse a chair that does not. In my mind, if by sitting in an ergonomic chair ensures I don't develop back pain/problems in the future, I'm all for it. A number of years ago I had cancer, and being through that drama taught me to take my health seriously. If I can avoid future back problems by buying a used ergonomic chair on the cheap (which is how I got my Leap and Embody), I'm definitely doing so...not to mention they are the most comfortable chairs I've sat in, so that should be reason enough.
First, I do NOT work for the Herman Miller company nor am I endorsed by them. This is my own personal experience. What happened was that I noticed a painful, tight muscle knot developing in the right side of my buttock. I am not a fat guy so I have now extra soft tissue to protect it. I purchased a Secret Lab (Throne) gaming chair last year but that chair was not bought because I had pain back then. Well, after sitting on Secret Lab's "Throne" for over 6 months and still getting this painful muscle knot... Hmmm. I was in so much and intense pain. One day I complained about it to my friend. She mentioned me the Herman Miller chairs. I had NO idea what she was talking about? Turned out her husband works for Exxon Mobil from home and Exxon provides the best available chairs to their employees who work out from their homes, especially because their work hours last up to 10-12 hrs daily. Then, while still on the phone with my friend, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I got the idea to check and see if these type of chairs are available at Walmart's website. Lo and behold, I found one, the AERON. I ordered it asap and it arrived brand new in box for the fraction of the Miller's website's retail price. To sit on this chair is a NIGHT and DAY difference. The painful muscle knot is GONE. No pain or whatsoever. If this would NOT happen to me - as I'm a very skeptical person by nature- there would be just NOW WAY that I would EVER believe it. I still have a hard time to believe all this but I have to because I feel it. Cheers!
I am an 83 year old retired engineer, I have been using the Aeron for years now and it is an okay chair. The high price tag is not an big issue for me but still at the same time I think the money for it is not justified. There are other options that are cheaper and perform just as well, here again we are talking about the "Herman Miller" name. I had colluegues who absolutely hated it and prefered cheaper alternatives. In my eyes a chair for someone who got extra money to spare, but not for someone who might need to save up for it or someone with a lower income. As the money will be quite a lot for most people.
The money is justified,when those cheap chairs don't come with a 12+ year warranty rated for 24/7 use. I understand that the Aeron isn't comfortable for everyone, but high end office chairs are the best for a reason. There are so many other high end but less expensive choices, like the Steelcase Amia, Haworth Zody and Herman Miller Mirra 2. A lot of ppl tend to buy these chairs second hand, so it doesn't break the bank. They'll last far longer than any cheap chair and stay in a much better condition.
I've used an Aeron chair since 1997, and it's been a back saver! My first Aeron chair had a broken knob around a decade ago, and the company I bought it from replaced it (the entire chair) for free. This second Aeron has held up well -- despite my having sat in this chair for my work about 50 hours a week on average. So - yes - Aeron chairs are the best and worth every penny!
I can't believe you actually reviewed the cross-legged test! That's my number one complaint with chairs, and no one ever mentions it. Aeron Out. Got it. Thank you.
I made a video a couple years ago where I did 'the pretzel test' and viewers appreciated it. It's a very relavent test for the Aeron, so I was sure to include it. Thanks for watching!
Haha, that's great. I've been sitting in a Steelcase Leap for 10 years and I have only just found out that the seat slides back and forth. Life changing discovery.
@@ancienttechnique5830 i just found a Steelcase leap v2 on the sidewalk to be thrown away and it's fully functional. Some old lady seemed to have thrown it out... lol.
Yes! I had an Aeron at my last job and I could never figure out what it was about it that bothered me. That's what it was! I know that sounds like it should have been obvious but I got so used to doing it at home, I just accepted the way I sit was uncomfortable in the Aeron but never really put two and two together as for why. Now I'm torn between the Leap and Embody for my work from home office.
I just received a brand new remastered Aeron. The mods they made to the seat front design solves this issue. I personally have had an Aeron classic at work for 15 years, and while I can sit cross-legged comfortably--which usually involves putting a foot on a caster arm, I can see how some might not be able to. Also, the new tilt-limiters are far and away better on the remastered than they are on the classic. I never use the forward tilt on my classic but am blown away by it on my new chair. Working from home will never be better.
@@johnellis1783 I'm pretty new to these chairs and have never sat in one. How did removing the front pad on the remastered seat solve the leg-crossing issue? Is there anywhere else you heard this as well as this is the first I'm hearing of it.
My fully loaded Aeron chair came today. OMG I so love it. I would buy this again. Though I don't think I will need another for 20 years. I'd love to buy my daughter one. I'm 65 years old and I'm in heaven. I so love it. Super duper comfortable. Built like SUV. Great Quality!! I bought mine from Business Interiors. Brokers where you get it brand new, full warranty for about $800 cheaper. I live in Canada and mine cost me including taxes and delivery $1417.00 with a discount code. It sells for $1249.99 I ordered it Tuesday and it came Friday.
I don't currently work for Herman Miller or Steelcase, but I work in the industry. I sold the very first Aeron chair when it came available. People bought Aeron's because it looked cool. Great, more money in my pocket. They gave me one, but I gave it to my assistant. The hard frame dug into the back of my legs and cut-off the circulation to my legs (not good). Also, people can't sit on the edge of the chair because of the hard frame. I personally sit in a Steelcase Leap chair and have NEVER had fatigue issues or never had a hard frame dig into my body. Try both and decide for yourself.
interestingly enough I returned Embody after almost a month as I started to have blood circulation related issues within the first several days (+ a bit of back pain), now testing Aeron and having similar issues again less acute though, but still. Same bottom line: don't blindly buy into any kind of hype when it comes to chairs but try and test for a longer period like 2-3 weeks as testing for 15-20 minutes in the showroom is virtually nothing.
This is the exact reason I'm looking for a new chair. The Leap seems great because of the unique adjustable and soft seat cushion. Thank you for confirming what I was already thinking! Cheers!
Couple years ago at work we bought all new chairs for the office and tried out all 3 you have here plus another Steelcase option I don't remember. The Leap was by far my favorite and the clear winner in an office poll. Pretty much nobody liked the Embody. There were a few Aeron fans, but the plastic seat pan preventing any cross leg sitting was a major complaint as was the weird arm rests. Also as we are outfitting an office including conference rooms it only makes sense to get one size for the entire office which would obviously be the B size, but for a few people that was uncomfortable since they were either too large or small. I think the different sizing options really hurts the Herman Miller when it comes to adoption into office environments where the chair might have many users over its lifetime.
I've been browsing around for office chairs like crazy the last few days and this was exactly the video I needed. I sit crosslegged all the time so that note was much appreciated. No one else seems to mention that kind of stuff!
@@deluca4750 I ended up getting the Herman Miller Embody. Pricier than the Aeron but I've been very happy with it since getting it nearly 4 years ago (including sitting cross-legged). I would believe this reviewer though in saying the Aeron wasn't great for it.
Sitting on my leg was giving me hip issues, oddly I've had Aeron at home for a while, but was still sitting on my leg at work - switched to Aeron at work and my hip issues are much better with me not sitting on my leg.
How interesting; I just got a used Leap for $60 and now feel like I scored big time; I had no idea about them before. It's good but not perfect, it doesn't lean back far enough for me at home, and it doesn't have the optional headrest. But it is a great chair.
Really like the pretzel test. No matter how much I try I can't stop from going pretzel about 1/3rd or 1/4th the time I use a chair. I'm glad I went with a leap.
thanks for this detailed, in-depth consumer-oriented review that doesn't have any "sponsored by" vibes. this really helped in my shopping research for an ergonomic chair.
Thanks for watching! This video definitely was not sponsored - I've just been using them for a very long time and wanted to share my opinion to help folks out ✌🏾
Great video! I did a lot of research when I was looking for a chair replacement for my work-from-home office, and kept coming back to this video. I just received my Aeron Remastered today! Just wanted to mention a couple of things: 1) the armrests of the new Aeron Remastered do slide back and forth. so while the armrest height adjustment is a bit clunky (I personally don't mind), now it is very easy to slide the armrest back if you want to pull the chair up against a desk. With this, the armrests get an almost perfect score for me. 2) I agree with the pretzel test results :( I am a huge cross-legged sitter, and while the Aeron is amazing at many things, this isn't one of them.
Found an Aeron at a thrift store (of all places) for 10 bucks.. my brother as well as myself had wanted to get one for a while but we could not justify the cost. We got lucky and found a used aeron being sold from an office closing down for 650, so we split the cost between us it comes out to 335 bucks for an Aeron in a very good condition, with posturefit too! If you are patient you can definitely get a good deal on this chair :) you might have to be patient but it's worth it!
Both are great chairs, but for the prices on the used market, I went with the Leap V2. I had the Leap 1 also, I bought the exact same color Leap in this video. I then bought some paint and customized the frame, and then changed the fabric to blue with a kit I bought online.
@@zoxy9743 lmfaoo I sit crossed legged in my aeron all the time, it's my default sitting position I really can't help it. Can't say it's uncomfortable for me at all though but I do have the size b and i'm only 5ft 6 so it probably depends on the size of you chair compared to your height & weight.
The Aeron is a brilliant chair, I never thought it could be more comfortable then it is then I recently upgraded mine from the lumbar support to the PostureFit. Even better, couldn’t recommend more.
Myxo14 You can actually upgrade your Lumbar support Aeron to the PostureFit as it’s the same chair just a different back piece! You can find the kits on eBay although here in the UK they are very rare to come up!
@@Myxo14 I definitely recommend picking up a posturefit kit man. Imo the standard lumbar pad is an awful design, I used to run my aeron without it as I just couldn't find a position which was comfortable while actually providing lower back support. But I got a used posturefit kit a few days ago and it's great, it evenly distributes the pressure across your lower back, unlike the standard pad which just presses a narrow, inflexible ridge into your lower back. Well worth the money imo.
It's annoying, but may be a blessing in disguise in certain ways. I've seen people compare these kinds of chairs to beds in that it may take you two weeks to adjust to it and see if it is actually comfortable for you. It is nice to be able to try a chair to see the various adjustments, but might also be a bit misleading in the end.
Thanks for this, especially the crossed legged part. Most people talk about how good the chair is, but for me the alternative ways of sityong in a chair is very important, since I do it. Can't help it, I feel more comfortable.
I walked into the Herman Miller store in NY half a year ago, planning to order an Aeron. Saw, tried and immediately bought the Herman Miller High Back Cosm. In a way, it's similar (mesh seat and back, materials), but at the same time it's the anti-Aeron: Just one lever for up/down adjustment, that's it. The Cosm magically adjusts itself to your body in every position, then supports and cradles it, firmly and softly. It looks more modern and sleek, as well. The sales guy said people either love it or hate it. Well ... I love it.
Thank you so much for such a great review! I’ve been reading about all three of these chairs and was coming to my own conclusion that while Aeron is beloved by so many, but it kinda forces you to only sit with your feet on the ground - your video proved that! Definitely seems like a great chair in a corporate/office setting, but I need the flexibility to sit cross-legged 😅 Thank you!
@@fredgeller6328 I did end up getting a used one fully loaded. Try messing with the height and adjustments for sitting , once I found that sweat spot I have no issues sitting . Good luck.
I like both chairs but i feel like the Leap edges out the Aeron in comfort just a tad. I have the leap in a dark blue leather with all adjustment options and it's a dream to sit on.
6 Aeron chairs at my office and they're pretty comfortable. But they all suffer from the same thing: the arm rest locking mechanism gets very loose with time and barely holds its position, so you constantly have to adjust it. And that lumbar support attachment breaks in half!!! (These chairs are used pretty much 24/7 so they have more than your usual wear and tear and are used by different people) just something to keep in mind.
Fantastic, well thought out review! I ordered an Aeron after realizing how painful a regular "executive chair" can be while working/gaming at my computer during this pandemic, hopefully shipping starts again soon.
Thanks for checking out the video! I completely agree with you regarding executive chairs - they just don't compare to real ergonomic chairs. Enjoy the Aeron 🙌🏾
thank you so much for the pretzel test. I was so so close to purchasing the Aeron and thank God I clicked on this video. I sit cross-legged 85% of the time.
About a year ago TH-cam randomly offered me to watch this video, I knew nothing about office chairs and couldn’t care less and it was one of those random videos, well, I watched it. Just a month ago I was told I was terminated and I would be getting on with chase, and I would be at home working. I remembered you mentioned how this was a high end chair. So that day I knew I needed an office chair and I immediately remembered this video I then rewatched it and Watched probably 30 other videos on Herman Miller and as of today, the aeron is in my living room ready to start work Monday. You are the reason I knew anything about Herman Miller and I don’t have a. 50 dollar target chair. I’m really glad TH-cam recommend a. Random video a year ago and that I watched it. With that said though. Your an ass for making me spend 1000 dollars on a chair lol. I don’t think I’m going to regret the aeron at all. Iv sat in it for a few hours today and it’s so comfortable. I may get the embody next, but either way I’m so glad u made this video.
I'm glad the video was able to help you out - I'm happy to hear it did! Congrats on your new Aeron! I hope it brings you years of comfort. FYI - my wife agrees I'm an ass, but for different reasons 🤣. Take care my dude 🙌🏾
While you didn't cover a multitude of different models/designs, you hit on the #1 thing I do and didn't even think to consider it - sitting cross-legged, so thank you for that. You're vid presentation was expertly clean as well. TLDR 10/10 vid, subbing just b/c of that.
Imagine getting a gaming chair over this Edit: Please stop replying to this comment and taking it as a seriously just because it has a few more likes than it’s suppose to have. I posted this comment to make fun of the context of video, not to compare prices to what the general public would pay towards a aesthetically pleasing gaming chair and a higher built quality office chair.
@@mileshawkins6225 Depends on your ear and room conditions. If you live in a quiet place some good open headphones will give you a wide sound stage for precise pin pointing sounds in games, if you are in a noisy area look for closed headphones with the most ample soundstage (thought these won't be as wide as an open headphone). Zeos list on reddit is a good start.
Thanks for the review! Went to a local herman miller retailer today to test out both the aeron and the embody. Initially, the leanback of the aeron was incredible, however the more I sat in the aeron, the colder I was getting from the mesh which I didn't like ( I had sweats and a hoodie on as well). After getting the tension down on the embody to a similar feel to the aeron, it was clear that the embody was the right choice. The embody hugged and pushed up your spine whereas it almost felt like your were "sinking" into the mesh of the aeron and I was getting too locked in place in the aeron. I like that you can sit in a couple of more positions on the embody than the aeron so I ended up going with the embody!
Yes! I was waiting for him to bring up this great feature. As a transplanted Canadian living in Southern California, I'm always running hot and the mesh back and seat of the Aeron chair keeps me cool. It's the only chair I've found to do this. I've had mine for over 25 years and just within the past couple of months (because I've been working from home and had to rely on my Aeron even more than normal) I've had to replace both the seat and left armrest pad. I was easily able to order the replacement parts online and repair them myself. I should be able to get another 25 years of use out of the Cadillac of office chairs.
@@trevortamboline279 you haven’t tried other mesh chairs? Hard for me to fathom that other mesh chairs can’t keep you cool. Is the Aeron mesh that different from other chairs with mesh?
@@felixchien1664 I've tried other mesh chairs and they ran cooler too... I just love the Aeron overall for the mesh and all the other great features. I can't imagine the total number of hours I've spent in this chair andexcept for the 2 parts I've had to replace recently, it's like new.
I like the fact that it will last longer. I love it is the best rocker. No worries of memory foam hardening/flattening over the years affecting pressure points. Accidental stains. Sweat. Easy to vacuum. I also believe if you have the need to cross your legs, it is time to get up and stretch and walk around. Over the years that will take it's toll on your circulation. I'm a leg crosser too, but at my age, it is time to have a chair that forces me to sit properly for the remainder hopefully 20-30 years. Areon I hear will last that long too!
you speaks out loud the major differences between these 2 chairs, some of which are very obvious but most of people often ignore and I'm sure it will helps those who are confused between the two. Personally I prefer sitting on Steelcase leap for my coding job. Thanks for sharing.
Great comparison. I got the leap for the exact reasons you touch on in this video, the Aeron would’ve limited the number of positions I can comfortably sit in.
@@timberswiss3 then buy a gaming chair, this isn't for you, it makes no sense to buy an ergonomic chair that forces you to sit correctly and then try to find ways to not sit correctly...
@@bsdpowa how about I buy what I want? Don’t need some random internet stranger that knows nothing about ergonomics suggesting things to me. Typed this will sitting cross legged on my leap V2.
Why does the video compare Leap V2 with the Aeron but the final verdict mentions the Embody? Expected the final verdict to conclude whether the Aeron or Leap V2 is better but anyways great video😂
These chairs are meant to keep you in good posture. I used to use the herman miller Mirra 1 chair and I'm the beginning, I wanted to sit with my legs crossed but the chair wouldn't let me. This was uncomfortable for the first couple weeks but then once my body adjusted to it, I no longer felt the need to sit cross-legged and could sit for hours with no discomfort.
I just bought a leap v2. I don't have it yet, but I'm excited. I did get a chance to sit in it, but a short 5-10 minute period may not be enough so I'm a little nervous how I'll feel after some time!
I was looking at a gaming chair for myself around 6months ago and after reading many many reviews that all essentially came down to don't waste your money for looks get a Ergonomic chair. I ended up getting a Humanscale Diffrient which after having for some time is the most comfortable chair I have ever had, I can sit in it for long periods of time without having even the slightest twinge in my lower back or hips, the mesh is really comfortable and when it was mid summer let my back breathe. Honestly one of the best purchases I have made and will last many years into the future. With many quality ergonomic chairs on the market these days it really is worth it to get yourself a decent chair.
To me, Aeron not being comfortable for cross-leged position is more of an advantage than a drawback. The chair virtually forces me not to cross my legs, which will ruin my back in the long run.
This is the simple fact that so many users fail to understand. The Aeron was designed for perfect posture, it's not meant to allow different positions. Yes, the fit of the Aeron might still cause issues, even if you sit properly. However, a lot of time these people want to sit in weird, non-ergonomic positions and expect the chair to still support them.
Nah that's cope. You shouldn't be forced to sit in only 1 rigid position. Humans aren't meant to be stuck in the same position all day. I have the herman miller embody and I can sit cross legged and have perfect back support.
Great video and I sat in all those chairs you shown, and by far the HM-Aeron is my favorite chair. Back in the 1990's when they first appeared, I was hired as a programmer in San Francisco and I couldn't believe what a beautiful design and it was not too long before I seen the chairs in all the National News shows like CNN, MSNBC and CBS. Now, I notice the chair look a little dated and companies are not buying them as much, or at all. However, I personally owned an Aeron from the 1990's brand new, and I still use it as my main home office chair. Over the 26 years I owned the Aeron, I had replaced the seat, and arm rest cushion but other that, its a great value.
I feel like the design might not be fresh enough for those corporate settings that were introduced to the Aeron Classic in the 90s. However, the Aeron has a very unique look and the vast majority of people would never consider it as a office chair. Chairs from Steelcase look a lot more like standard office chairs tbh. I personally think that's what makes Herman Miller such an interesting office furniture company, as they're willing to come with unique products.
Great review! I just bought the new Aeron Remastered and got a good deal from the same supplier that supplies our offices. Only problem is the 8 week lead time so I won't have the chair until mid-July T_T. We have the original Aeron at work and for me it's also all about that mesh and the tilt mechanism. The plastic lips on the sides can be a bit annoying but they also force me into a better sitting posture :-D
I work for a big 4 tech company and the difference between my office desk and my home desk is huge!!!! And I NOTICE IT IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! My office chair at home cost me $50 and I cannot seat on longer than 45 mins. My back and butt hurts. I have these Herman Miller chair in office. OMG IT CHANGE MY LIFE!!!! I work longer comfortably because of this chair and I’m seriously considering investing on this chair for my home office.
Strangely, I think you just sold me on the Embody! I was looking for a chair for gaming long hours and find myself crossing my legs often. I also love the more "laidback" design of the embody. Cheers mate.
Great review. I have also used these alot back in the 90's and early 2k's when they were prominent of big business. These truly are great chairs. I bought my own personal one for work since they have cheap old chairs with broken down cusions What desk is that if I may ask? Now working from home I am looking for a nice straight desk to buy
Thanks man! It's an Ikea Karlby countertop that I use as a desktop. It's hugely popular for desk setups. I've a 2018 desk setup video that shows it off in more detail.
I use an Uplift desk for my home office and has been impressed with its quality. Costs a bit more than building your own, but not much considering how much powered bases alone can cost. You can easily customize desktop material, size, shape, type of base, and accessories such as PC tower holder, cable management etc. I find manyof the accessories to be too expensive, but I feel the base table itself to be a fair value.
Thanks for the review. I've had my original Steelcase Leap Coach Edition for at least 15 years, I think. It cost me something like $1,400 at the time, but it still works as good as new, it's comfortable and functional and highly adjustable. One of the best investments/purchases I've ever made. I haven't compared it to the Aeron, and now there's a Leap V2. Plenty to look at and think about, especially now in COVID world, but at the end of the day, my original Leap has never disappointed me and I'm standing (sitting) pat! Thanks again for the review.
The best video I had the same problem of sitting criss-cross sometimes. And the side support hurts badly. I didnt had to change my playback speed good talking speed maintained in this video.
I got an Aeron PRECISELY because i'm a chronic leg-crosser. Since getting an Aeron, i've been forced to sit correctly and my posture is a lot better. I work exclusively from home though.
You should review the Steelcase Gesture. The Aeron hurt my legs and back strangely with its restricted positions. The Gesture has a wonderful back support with infinite supported postures.
I'm 220lb and 6"1. I find the C aeron remastered is very comfortable and the B is just a bit too small. The charts suggest B or C but it doesn't feel that way. Anyone who's B or C really needs to sit on the chair to avoid making a purchasing mistake. The Leap on the other hand feels like such a big chair it doesn't really matter.
Had this chair and it was really bad for me, im 190cm and 140kg ish, now i have noblechair hero and it cost 4x less and is way better for my size. Also it has more adjustments which is nice.
I just recently got an aeron classic .after having several racing chairs none come close to the comfort of this chair! also I'm 5'11 and can sit cross legged no problem in a size C. But sitting on 1 leg does hurt after alittle. My solution is just cross your leg up top in a more proper position! It's a posture chair so it's made to fix lazy habbits that will later give you spine problems.
My daughter is a law student. At this time her classes are online and she is at home in her room. She sits ALL day in her aeron chair, cross legged. She has a B model and she is very petit. We got this chair because she complained about another chair she was using. In the four months she has been using the chair I have not heard one word of complaint. Personally, I have been sitting in an Aeron chair since 2002 and the only issue I had was the pneumatic lift which I had to replace. I use this chair eight to ten hours per day and can't imagine being without it. I have been planning to get a head rest for the chair but I never seem to follow through. Best regards.
Hi mate, check out the new "Embody Gaming chair". It's basically the Embody, but with thicker seat & backrest padding, (thicker than even the balance fabric). They've used foam, and also applied cooling tech to stop that getting too hot. The back of the seat is also a bit thicker, allowing you to sit a bit more upright / forward than the original. Recommended your channel to them, as your reviews greatly helped my decision making.
Ive had mine for 16 yrs now and was only glad to get rid of mine. Im on it for around 11 hour a day and in the 16yrs Iv'e been diagnosed with dvt 7 times , cramps more times than I can remember. I purchased another chair at 1/8 the price and could not be happier Looks like this chair is not for everyone I am also looking into converting a seat from a car for office use.
Fortunately for me there is a dealer for Herman Miller in Boston, so I went there to today to try out the Aeron, Embody, and Embody Logitech. I'm 5'10" 208 lbs so a bit chubby (down 50 lb. in 6 months and still working at it so the weight is coming down). I have bad arthritis in my lower back and neck, with COVID I've been working from home since March; between that and gaming I'm in my office chair 10-12 hours / day. I've had enough of my back/neck flaring up and wanted to see if the HM chairs would help. My thoughts based on being at the store for an hour or so: The Aeron didn't work for me because of the frame (nor did any of the other HM base chairs with a frame). I have huge thighs and even on a size C Aeron the frame was pushing up against my thighs. However the back support with the optional lumbar support was wonderful. If not for the frame I might well have bought one of these. The Embody wasn't quite as supportive as the Aeron but I like how the chair moved with you. Despite being less supportive I found it more comfortable overall and a bit more roomy. I do wish it had an adjustment for the angle of the seat bottom like the Aeron does. I found the Embody Logitech less comfortable than the standard Embody despite the extra padding that's added. The chair fabric has indentations in it that are quite harsh, and I could feel them in my legs at the front of the chair. I wanted to try Steelcase as well but the only dealer within 100 miles is a b2b office furniture store. I ended up placing an order for an Embody, but it won't arrive until October so I have a few more months of my current chair/torture device. Hopefully the Embody will help mitigate back/neck pain aggravation that I'm getting now. Thanks for your reviews, it's nice to get some feedback of what these chairs are like long term. I saw your earlier video last night but didn't see this one until coming back from chair shopping.
Congratulations on your Embody purchase! I've been very impressed with my Embody over the years. It took me a few weeks to get it dialed in, but once I found the sweet spot for me, it was fantastic. One of these days I'll do a dedicated long term Embody review.
How are you liking the Embody? I'm approximately the same height/weight as you and just purchased a a refurbished size B Aeron for ~$748 USD. I used it for ~ 4 hours last night and couldn't get past how much pressure it puts on my thighs. It ended up being painful enough that I had to switch back to my old gaming chair. I've been using it for ~1 hour today and it feels better but I'm so torn about returning it and maybe getting a new Embody
Fellow Aeron Lover here, FYI there is Gen 2 out now, with even more adjustment. Sitting cross legged is really bad for your health, especially for extended periods. Nice review.
The seat on the Leap has a kind of hinge, that allows the front of the seat to bend downward to prevent cutting off the blood flow to the users legs. That's why it easy to sit cross legged.
I scored an old Aeron from my neighborhood FB group for free. I know it's pretty old because the arm height adjuster locks/unlocks via a wheel. I love the chair!
Usally i am not a huge fan of music overlays but due to the debilitating back pain i am experiencing i found it rather soothing. (Never use a soft lounge chair hunched over at a computer balancing on a cardboard box on top of a foot stool lower than the chair your on) wow when i type it out you can visually see how stupid i am. 😢 somebody help
I can have one of my legs crossed on my Aeron chair comfortably. 👍 This chair has been with me for almost 10 years and I can say there are reasonS why it is the most popular ergonomic chair in the world. What's amazing is it has been debuted for decades and still remains one of the best in the market.
The AERON is a great chair. I use one at work. I am 6'2" 310 lbs. and I can sit in it all day only getting up to go to the bathroom. My only concern is that the arms wobble when I get up. If you can swing the price it is well worth it. Built to last.
Nice review. I have used one for over 10 years. But it has issues. If you lean back - no headrest, so I bought an extra one. Also while leaning back, my shoulders hit the hard plastic. So I have padded the shoulder area, as well as padding in the seat - with washable blankets.
Coming from an office environment, I am "ass trained" to the Herman Miller :D So I do have a quite a bit of an intrinsic bias. As you say the Herman Miller is built to last and you can get one which is like new for a fraction of the new price from office liquidations. Mine for instance cost me £280 and that included the shipping. I is for this reason that I would consider the Herman Miller AERON to be a no-brainer for someone looking for a good chair - especially for gaming. What are passed off as "Gaming Chairs" are what I like to call "Sweat Buckets" and cost more than what you would pay for a Herman Miller AERON second hand.
I have the Aeron and the Leap. The Aeron Ive had for nione years and its almost the same today as it was nine years ago, but the Aeron max height is an inch shorter than i need for the height of my desk. The Leap really has not held up to daily use. After five years the vinyl on the armrests are significantly cracked and the seat and back foam has compressed and flattened to the point where I cant sit in it anymore, but my ten year old who is 65lbs can. For me, i bought a new chair, a HON 2.0.
I just got my Aeron today, while having a Leap V2 previously. I must say, I really like the Aeron more so far. The recline is a lot better. I'm not a big fan of the 'liveback' feature of the Leap, as it doesn't feel like you're really reclining. And I'm able to sit comfortably cross legged on the Aeron too! My foot touches the lip a bit, but it's not a big deal. I have the remastered one though, so that might make a difference.
Great video and I wish I saw this before buying the Steelcase Gesture! I can't sit comfortably in the Gesture but at least I now have a better idea of what I like and dislike in office chairs. I am considering the Aeron or Embody for my next chair.
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What are your thoughts on the chiropractors who say it can increase your life by like 10-15 years? Like does it help your posture so much that you have more energy and think it will help you in the long run health wise
I've never heard those claims before and don't have much of an opinion on it. I do believe that sitting for long periods of time in a chair that promotes proper posture will be far more beneficial to your health in the long term verse a chair that does not. In my mind, if by sitting in an ergonomic chair ensures I don't develop back pain/problems in the future, I'm all for it. A number of years ago I had cancer, and being through that drama taught me to take my health seriously. If I can avoid future back problems by buying a used ergonomic chair on the cheap (which is how I got my Leap and Embody), I'm definitely doing so...not to mention they are the most comfortable chairs I've sat in, so that should be reason enough.
You need better headphones.
Better than the K7XX cans? What would you recommend under $200...besides the 58X?
First, I do NOT work for the Herman Miller company nor am I endorsed by them. This is my own personal experience. What happened was that I noticed a painful, tight muscle knot developing in the right side of my buttock. I am not a fat guy so I have now extra soft tissue to protect it. I purchased a Secret Lab (Throne) gaming chair last year but that chair was not bought because I had pain back then. Well, after sitting on Secret Lab's "Throne" for over 6 months and still getting this painful muscle knot... Hmmm. I was in so much and intense pain. One day I complained about it to my friend. She mentioned me the Herman Miller chairs. I had NO idea what she was talking about? Turned out her husband works for Exxon Mobil from home and Exxon provides the best available chairs to their employees who work out from their homes, especially because their work hours last up to 10-12 hrs daily. Then, while still on the phone with my friend, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I got the idea to check and see if these type of chairs are available at Walmart's website. Lo and behold, I found one, the AERON. I ordered it asap and it arrived brand new in box for the fraction of the Miller's website's retail price. To sit on this chair is a NIGHT and DAY difference. The painful muscle knot is GONE. No pain or whatsoever. If this would NOT happen to me - as I'm a very skeptical person by nature- there would be just NOW WAY that I would EVER believe it. I still have a hard time to believe all this but I have to because I feel it. Cheers!
I am an 83 year old retired engineer, I have been using the Aeron for years now and it is an okay chair. The high price tag is not an big issue for me but still at the same time I think the money for it is not justified. There are other options that are cheaper and perform just as well, here again we are talking about the "Herman Miller" name. I had colluegues who absolutely hated it and prefered cheaper alternatives. In my eyes a chair for someone who got extra money to spare, but not for someone who might need to save up for it or someone with a lower income. As the money will be quite a lot for most people.
Engineers are the real chads of this world. I salute you sir.
The money is justified,when those cheap chairs don't come with a 12+ year warranty rated for 24/7 use.
I understand that the Aeron isn't comfortable for everyone, but high end office chairs are the best for a reason. There are so many other high end but less expensive choices, like the Steelcase Amia, Haworth Zody and Herman Miller Mirra 2.
A lot of ppl tend to buy these chairs second hand, so it doesn't break the bank. They'll last far longer than any cheap chair and stay in a much better condition.
"There are other options that are cheaper and perform just as well". Can you exemplify?
@@nonamed56Take a good look at the Steelcase Amia chair. You can get a nice refurbished one from btod or Crandall for roughly 500 dollars.
Oh, listen to ol' moneybags gramps here.
I've used an Aeron chair since 1997, and it's been a back saver! My first Aeron chair had a broken knob around a decade ago, and the company I bought it from replaced it (the entire chair) for free. This second Aeron has held up well -- despite my having sat in this chair for my work about 50 hours a week on average. So - yes - Aeron chairs are the best and worth every penny!
I can't believe you actually reviewed the cross-legged test! That's my number one complaint with chairs, and no one ever mentions it. Aeron Out. Got it. Thank you.
I made a video a couple years ago where I did 'the pretzel test' and viewers appreciated it. It's a very relavent test for the Aeron, so I was sure to include it. Thanks for watching!
As a digital professional who works from home and a gamer, this review touched every base I’d have questions on. Thanks!
what did you took?
Haha, that's great. I've been sitting in a Steelcase Leap for 10 years and I have only just found out that the seat slides back and forth. Life changing discovery.
You paid $800 for a chair and don’t even know how to use it? I’m in the wrong business
@@ancienttechnique5830 i just found a Steelcase leap v2 on the sidewalk to be thrown away and it's fully functional. Some old lady seemed to have thrown it out... lol.
I sat on my leather chair for the last 20 years and I just became aware that the height of the backrest can adjust higher :D
The mesh for me it's uber comfortable, it's important to consider breathability as a vital confort factor.
The mesh is the primary reason I love the Aeron!
I can feel my fart go through the chair
@@JambaJuice200 LOL
Great for them farts
The importance of breathability should never be overlooked as it can lead to some serious health issues like pilonidal sinus
I love that you mentioned sitting cross legged in these chairs!
Yes! I had an Aeron at my last job and I could never figure out what it was about it that bothered me. That's what it was! I know that sounds like it should have been obvious but I got so used to doing it at home, I just accepted the way I sit was uncomfortable in the Aeron but never really put two and two together as for why. Now I'm torn between the Leap and Embody for my work from home office.
I just received a brand new remastered Aeron. The mods they made to the seat front design solves this issue. I personally have had an Aeron classic at work for 15 years, and while I can sit cross-legged comfortably--which usually involves putting a foot on a caster arm, I can see how some might not be able to. Also, the new tilt-limiters are far and away better on the remastered than they are on the classic. I never use the forward tilt on my classic but am blown away by it on my new chair. Working from home will never be better.
PS--I'm 5' 10" and 190.
@@johnellis1783 thanks! I was very worried about this having just bought an Aeron just now! I confess I am a cross-legged sitter.
@@johnellis1783 I'm pretty new to these chairs and have never sat in one. How did removing the front pad on the remastered seat solve the leg-crossing issue? Is there anywhere else you heard this as well as this is the first I'm hearing of it.
My fully loaded Aeron chair came today. OMG I so love it. I would buy this again. Though I don't think I will need another for 20 years. I'd love to buy my daughter one. I'm 65 years old and I'm in heaven. I so love it. Super duper comfortable. Built like SUV. Great Quality!! I bought mine from Business Interiors. Brokers where you get it brand new, full warranty for about $800 cheaper. I live in Canada and mine cost me including taxes and delivery $1417.00 with a discount code. It sells for $1249.99
I ordered it Tuesday and it came Friday.
I don't currently work for Herman Miller or Steelcase, but I work in the industry. I sold the very first Aeron chair when it came available. People bought Aeron's because it looked cool. Great, more money in my pocket. They gave me one, but I gave it to my assistant. The hard frame dug into the back of my legs and cut-off the circulation to my legs (not good). Also, people can't sit on the edge of the chair because of the hard frame. I personally sit in a Steelcase Leap chair and have NEVER had fatigue issues or never had a hard frame dig into my body. Try both and decide for yourself.
i have my leap coming in friday! This makes me feel better about my purchase lol
The exact same reason why I switched from the Aeron to the Leap. The Embody is also nice but it is pricey and lacks the arm adjustment of the Leap.
interestingly enough I returned Embody after almost a month as I started to have blood circulation related issues within the first several days (+ a bit of back pain), now testing Aeron and having similar issues again less acute though, but still. Same bottom line: don't blindly buy into any kind of hype when it comes to chairs but try and test for a longer period like 2-3 weeks as testing for 15-20 minutes in the showroom is virtually nothing.
This is the exact reason I'm looking for a new chair. The Leap seems great because of the unique adjustable and soft seat cushion. Thank you for confirming what I was already thinking! Cheers!
Couple years ago at work we bought all new chairs for the office and tried out all 3 you have here plus another Steelcase option I don't remember. The Leap was by far my favorite and the clear winner in an office poll. Pretty much nobody liked the Embody. There were a few Aeron fans, but the plastic seat pan preventing any cross leg sitting was a major complaint as was the weird arm rests. Also as we are outfitting an office including conference rooms it only makes sense to get one size for the entire office which would obviously be the B size, but for a few people that was uncomfortable since they were either too large or small. I think the different sizing options really hurts the Herman Miller when it comes to adoption into office environments where the chair might have many users over its lifetime.
I've been browsing around for office chairs like crazy the last few days and this was exactly the video I needed. I sit crosslegged all the time so that note was much appreciated. No one else seems to mention that kind of stuff!
Glad you found the video helpful!
What did you end up going with? I sit cross-legged a lot too, and was concerned about how the Aeron would handle that.
@@deluca4750 I ended up getting the Herman Miller Embody. Pricier than the Aeron but I've been very happy with it since getting it nearly 4 years ago (including sitting cross-legged). I would believe this reviewer though in saying the Aeron wasn't great for it.
Sitting on my leg was giving me hip issues, oddly I've had Aeron at home for a while, but was still sitting on my leg at work - switched to Aeron at work and my hip issues are much better with me not sitting on my leg.
So the moral of the story is you shouldn't be sitting crossed legged in the first place?
Jezza R he didn’t have to anymore because the chair was so comfortable
It causes hip and knee wear.
Is also bad for for your vaines because those are pinched
I find myself watching a video about chairs... this lockdown is getting to me big time 😂 x
🤣🤣🤣...stay safe my dude!
get vitamin d. latest covid reports that majority who died were very low on vitamin d.
Lol I’ve learned so much
I'm watching videos about chairs because my current chair broke :/
@@darylhaynes1025 how do I join your family, this costco chair isn't cutting it lmao
thank you so much for the cross leg test. I find myself sitting like that often and was a main question of mine. 10/10
Thanks for watching!
How interesting; I just got a used Leap for $60 and now feel like I scored big time; I had no idea about them before. It's good but not perfect, it doesn't lean back far enough for me at home, and it doesn't have the optional headrest. But it is a great chair.
Where did you buy it? Trying to get one cheap as well
@@andrewjohnson9044 used office furniture store in Berkeley CA, near Ashby Ave.
I got one brand new for 400 bucks.
@@sh1121 where?
@@Ryezn5057 from my dads company, they were doing a bulk buy
Really like the pretzel test. No matter how much I try I can't stop from going pretzel about 1/3rd or 1/4th the time I use a chair. I'm glad I went with a leap.
I might have to use 'going pretzel' in my next chair review 💯
i sometimes sit crosslegged too! and you're the first chair reviewers i found mentioning them, thanks!
thanks for this detailed, in-depth consumer-oriented review that doesn't have any "sponsored by" vibes. this really helped in my shopping research for an ergonomic chair.
Thanks for watching! This video definitely was not sponsored - I've just been using them for a very long time and wanted to share my opinion to help folks out ✌🏾
Great video! I did a lot of research when I was looking for a chair replacement for my work-from-home office, and kept coming back to this video.
I just received my Aeron Remastered today!
Just wanted to mention a couple of things:
1) the armrests of the new Aeron Remastered do slide back and forth. so while the armrest height adjustment is a bit clunky (I personally don't mind), now it is very easy to slide the armrest back if you want to pull the chair up against a desk. With this, the armrests get an almost perfect score for me.
2) I agree with the pretzel test results :( I am a huge cross-legged sitter, and while the Aeron is amazing at many things, this isn't one of them.
Found an Aeron at a thrift store (of all places) for 10 bucks.. my brother as well as myself had wanted to get one for a while but we could not justify the cost. We got lucky and found a used aeron being sold from an office closing down for 650, so we split the cost between us it comes out to 335 bucks for an Aeron in a very good condition, with posturefit too!
If you are patient you can definitely get a good deal on this chair :) you might have to be patient but it's worth it!
Both are great chairs, but for the prices on the used market, I went with the Leap V2. I had the Leap 1 also, I bought the exact same color Leap in this video. I then bought some paint and customized the frame, and then changed the fabric to blue with a kit I bought online.
My Aeron is over 20 years old and still going strong! Back then, the arm height adjuster was a wheel instead of a latch.
Yup, that’s me, bought an ergonomic chair but somehow always want to sit with my legs crossed :p
omg thats mee i have an ergo chair but still sits in it with cross legs hahahaha
@@zoxy9743 lmfaoo I sit crossed legged in my aeron all the time, it's my default sitting position I really can't help it.
Can't say it's uncomfortable for me at all though but I do have the size b and i'm only 5ft 6 so it probably depends on the size of you chair compared to your height & weight.
Thank you for this 'go-to' review for both the AERON and Leap V2. All your office chair reviews have held up well.
Thanks man - I appreciate that ✌🏾
The Aeron is a brilliant chair, I never thought it could be more comfortable then it is then I recently upgraded mine from the lumbar support to the PostureFit.
Even better, couldn’t recommend more.
I've never sat in a PostureFit version of the Aeron unfortunately...it's probably best I don't cause I'll want one!
Myxo14 You can actually upgrade your Lumbar support Aeron to the PostureFit as it’s the same chair just a different back piece! You can find the kits on eBay although here in the UK they are very rare to come up!
Thanks for the tip!
@@Myxo14 I definitely recommend picking up a posturefit kit man. Imo the standard lumbar pad is an awful design, I used to run my aeron without it as I just couldn't find a position which was comfortable while actually providing lower back support. But I got a used posturefit kit a few days ago and it's great, it evenly distributes the pressure across your lower back, unlike the standard pad which just presses a narrow, inflexible ridge into your lower back.
Well worth the money imo.
if only there was a place one could actually try these chairs, no stores sell them and no showrooms around me.
That's the only thing stopping me from getting one right now!
It's annoying, but may be a blessing in disguise in certain ways. I've seen people compare these kinds of chairs to beds in that it may take you two weeks to adjust to it and see if it is actually comfortable for you. It is nice to be able to try a chair to see the various adjustments, but might also be a bit misleading in the end.
Thanks for this, especially the crossed legged part. Most people talk about how good the chair is, but for me the alternative ways of sityong in a chair is very important, since I do it. Can't help it, I feel more comfortable.
I walked into the Herman Miller store in NY half a year ago, planning to order an Aeron. Saw, tried and immediately bought the Herman Miller High Back Cosm. In a way, it's similar (mesh seat and back, materials), but at the same time it's the anti-Aeron: Just one lever for up/down adjustment, that's it. The Cosm magically adjusts itself to your body in every position, then supports and cradles it, firmly and softly. It looks more modern and sleek, as well. The sales guy said people either love it or hate it. Well ... I love it.
I would love to try out one of the high backed Cosm chairs...having a headrest would be nice 👌🏾
Thank you so much for such a great review! I’ve been reading about all three of these chairs and was coming to my own conclusion that while Aeron is beloved by so many, but it kinda forces you to only sit with your feet on the ground - your video proved that! Definitely seems like a great chair in a corporate/office setting, but I need the flexibility to sit cross-legged 😅 Thank you!
I'm glad the video was able to help 🙌🏾
I got this at work, love it. My low back pain is not so much an issue anymore. I need one at home now but most likely ill have to get a used one .
Just bought one but for whatever reason my lower left back hurts a little. I didn’t get the posture fit however. Do you think that will help?
@@fredgeller6328 I did end up getting a used one fully loaded. Try messing with the height and adjustments for sitting , once I found that sweat spot I have no issues sitting . Good luck.
I like both chairs but i feel like the Leap edges out the Aeron in comfort just a tad. I have the leap in a dark blue leather with all adjustment options and it's a dream to sit on.
6 Aeron chairs at my office and they're pretty comfortable. But they all suffer from the same thing: the arm rest locking mechanism gets very loose with time and barely holds its position, so you constantly have to adjust it. And that lumbar support attachment breaks in half!!! (These chairs are used pretty much 24/7 so they have more than your usual wear and tear and are used by different people) just something to keep in mind.
Fantastic, well thought out review! I ordered an Aeron after realizing how painful a regular "executive chair" can be while working/gaming at my computer during this pandemic, hopefully shipping starts again soon.
Thanks for checking out the video! I completely agree with you regarding executive chairs - they just don't compare to real ergonomic chairs. Enjoy the Aeron 🙌🏾
How's your Aeron holding up?
thank you so much for the pretzel test. I was so so close to purchasing the Aeron and thank God I clicked on this video. I sit cross-legged 85% of the time.
Very comprehensive and well detailed review. Answered questions I had in my mind.
About a year ago TH-cam randomly offered me to watch this video, I knew nothing about office chairs and couldn’t care less and it was one of those random videos, well, I watched it. Just a month ago I was told I was terminated and I would be getting on with chase, and I would be at home working. I remembered you mentioned how this was a high end chair. So that day I knew I needed an office chair and I immediately remembered this video I then rewatched it and Watched probably 30 other videos on Herman Miller and as of today, the aeron is in my living room ready to start work Monday. You are the reason I knew anything about Herman Miller and I don’t have a. 50 dollar target chair. I’m really glad TH-cam recommend a. Random video a year ago and that I watched it. With that said though. Your an ass for making me spend 1000 dollars on a chair lol. I don’t think I’m going to regret the aeron at all. Iv sat in it for a few hours today and it’s so comfortable. I may get the embody next, but either way I’m so glad u made this video.
I'm glad the video was able to help you out - I'm happy to hear it did! Congrats on your new Aeron! I hope it brings you years of comfort. FYI - my wife agrees I'm an ass, but for different reasons 🤣. Take care my dude 🙌🏾
@@Myxo14 🍻
The pretzel test needs to be an industry standard!
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
While you didn't cover a multitude of different models/designs, you hit on the #1 thing I do and didn't even think to consider it - sitting cross-legged, so thank you for that. You're vid presentation was expertly clean as well.
TLDR 10/10 vid, subbing just b/c of that.
Thanks man, I appreciate the sub!
Imagine getting a gaming chair over this
Edit: Please stop replying to this comment and taking it as a seriously just because it has a few more likes than it’s suppose to have. I posted this comment to make fun of the context of video, not to compare prices to what the general public would pay towards a aesthetically pleasing gaming chair and a higher built quality office chair.
People do because they don't do any research and the same reason they buy gaming headsets.
@@dmannion81 what are some good headsets then ?
Sadly this was me. Gaming chairs are terrible and I regret buying one. Hence why I found myself here.
Yes but you guys , gaming chairs are 200 dollars and the aeron is way much ...
@@mileshawkins6225 Depends on your ear and room conditions. If you live in a quiet place some good open headphones will give you a wide sound stage for precise pin pointing sounds in games, if you are in a noisy area look for closed headphones with the most ample soundstage (thought these won't be as wide as an open headphone). Zeos list on reddit is a good start.
Thanks for the review! Went to a local herman miller retailer today to test out both the aeron and the embody. Initially, the leanback of the aeron was incredible, however the more I sat in the aeron, the colder I was getting from the mesh which I didn't like ( I had sweats and a hoodie on as well). After getting the tension down on the embody to a similar feel to the aeron, it was clear that the embody was the right choice. The embody hugged and pushed up your spine whereas it almost felt like your were "sinking" into the mesh of the aeron and I was getting too locked in place in the aeron. I like that you can sit in a couple of more positions on the embody than the aeron so I ended up going with the embody!
Congrats on your new Embody!
Love mine! And it keeps you cool as heat escapes through it.
Yes! I was waiting for him to bring up this great feature. As a transplanted Canadian living in Southern California, I'm always running hot and the mesh back and seat of the Aeron chair keeps me cool. It's the only chair I've found to do this. I've had mine for over 25 years and just within the past couple of months (because I've been working from home and had to rely on my Aeron even more than normal) I've had to replace both the seat and left armrest pad. I was easily able to order the replacement parts online and repair them myself. I should be able to get another 25 years of use out of the Cadillac of office chairs.
@@trevortamboline279 you haven’t tried other mesh chairs? Hard for me to fathom that other mesh chairs can’t keep you cool. Is the Aeron mesh that different from other chairs with mesh?
@@felixchien1664 I've tried other mesh chairs and they ran cooler too... I just love the Aeron overall for the mesh and all the other great features. I can't imagine the total number of hours I've spent in this chair andexcept for the 2 parts I've had to replace recently, it's like new.
I like the fact that it will last longer. I love it is the best rocker. No worries of memory foam hardening/flattening over the years affecting pressure points. Accidental stains. Sweat. Easy to vacuum. I also believe if you have the need to cross your legs, it is time to get up and stretch and walk around. Over the years that will take it's toll on your circulation. I'm a leg crosser too, but at my age, it is time to have a chair that forces me to sit properly for the remainder hopefully 20-30 years. Areon I hear will last that long too!
you speaks out loud the major differences between these 2 chairs, some of which are very obvious but most of people often ignore and I'm sure it will helps those who are confused between the two. Personally I prefer sitting on Steelcase leap for my coding job. Thanks for sharing.
Great comparison. I got the leap for the exact reasons you touch on in this video, the Aeron would’ve limited the number of positions I can comfortably sit in.
you mean correct number of positions you are suppose to sit in*
@@4BeatBox4 Isn't the current consensus that there is no best posture and you should be changing your sitting position frequently?
@@4BeatBox4 all i care about is comfort.
@@timberswiss3 then buy a gaming chair, this isn't for you, it makes no sense to buy an ergonomic chair that forces you to sit correctly and then try to find ways to not sit correctly...
@@bsdpowa how about I buy what I want? Don’t need some random internet stranger that knows nothing about ergonomics suggesting things to me. Typed this will sitting cross legged on my leap V2.
Why does the video compare Leap V2 with the Aeron but the final verdict mentions the Embody? Expected the final verdict to conclude whether the Aeron or Leap V2 is better but anyways great video😂
the mesh is what sets it apart ??? whatttt.... its the mechanisms , underneath. many use similar fabric , but not many have the under tech
You just saved me a bunch of money by giving the tip about crossing legs. I’ll buy the Embody vs the Aeron. Thanks!
Was literally sitting cross-legged when he said he couldn't sit cross-legged. Idk what to do now!
These chairs are meant to keep you in good posture. I used to use the herman miller Mirra 1 chair and I'm the beginning, I wanted to sit with my legs crossed but the chair wouldn't let me. This was uncomfortable for the first couple weeks but then once my body adjusted to it, I no longer felt the need to sit cross-legged and could sit for hours with no discomfort.
I just bought a leap v2. I don't have it yet, but I'm excited. I did get a chance to sit in it, but a short 5-10 minute period may not be enough so I'm a little nervous how I'll feel after some time!
I just bought the Embody a little over a month ago. It's amazing.
Agreed my dude 🙌🏾
I was looking at a gaming chair for myself around 6months ago and after reading many many reviews that all essentially came down to don't waste your money for looks get a Ergonomic chair. I ended up getting a Humanscale Diffrient which after having for some time is the most comfortable chair I have ever had, I can sit in it for long periods of time without having even the slightest twinge in my lower back or hips, the mesh is really comfortable and when it was mid summer let my back breathe. Honestly one of the best purchases I have made and will last many years into the future.
With many quality ergonomic chairs on the market these days it really is worth it to get yourself a decent chair.
I completely agree!
To me, Aeron not being comfortable for cross-leged position is more of an advantage than a drawback. The chair virtually forces me not to cross my legs, which will ruin my back in the long run.
This is the simple fact that so many users fail to understand. The Aeron was designed for perfect posture, it's not meant to allow different positions.
Yes, the fit of the Aeron might still cause issues, even if you sit properly.
However, a lot of time these people want to sit in weird, non-ergonomic positions and expect the chair to still support them.
Nah that's cope. You shouldn't be forced to sit in only 1 rigid position. Humans aren't meant to be stuck in the same position all day. I have the herman miller embody and I can sit cross legged and have perfect back support.
I was almost sold on the Aeron until 6:30 ... So, I am still going to check out the Embody. Thanks.
1:57 Fat Joe’s favorite feature.
Great video and I sat in all those chairs you shown, and by far the HM-Aeron is my favorite chair. Back in the 1990's when they first appeared, I was hired as a programmer in San Francisco and I couldn't believe what a beautiful design and it was not too long before I seen the chairs in all the National News shows like CNN, MSNBC and CBS. Now, I notice the chair look a little dated and companies are not buying them as much, or at all. However, I personally owned an Aeron from the 1990's brand new, and I still use it as my main home office chair. Over the 26 years I owned the Aeron, I had replaced the seat, and arm rest cushion but other that, its a great value.
Why do I feel like Huey P. Newton in his rattan peacock chair... I believe the aeron chair back resembles those wicker chairs too...
I feel like the design might not be fresh enough for those corporate settings that were introduced to the Aeron Classic in the 90s.
However, the Aeron has a very unique look and the vast majority of people would never consider it as a office chair. Chairs from Steelcase look a lot more like standard office chairs tbh.
I personally think that's what makes Herman Miller such an interesting office furniture company, as they're willing to come with unique products.
very well done video, thanks for doing this. Yes, lockdown has got my thinking about upgrading, no more foam cushions for me.
I just ordered a new one, the 12 year warranty is insane, good video!
Enjoy your new chair!
Great review! I just bought the new Aeron Remastered and got a good deal from the same supplier that supplies our offices. Only problem is the 8 week lead time so I won't have the chair until mid-July T_T. We have the original Aeron at work and for me it's also all about that mesh and the tilt mechanism. The plastic lips on the sides can be a bit annoying but they also force me into a better sitting posture :-D
I got my Embody from our old office supplier as well!
I work for a big 4 tech company and the difference between my office desk and my home desk is huge!!!! And I NOTICE IT IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! My office chair at home cost me $50 and I cannot seat on longer than 45 mins. My back and butt hurts. I have these Herman Miller chair in office. OMG IT CHANGE MY LIFE!!!! I work longer comfortably because of this chair and I’m seriously considering investing on this chair for my home office.
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Thank you for including the leg-crossing test. I am a leg crosser haha.
Strangely, I think you just sold me on the Embody! I was looking for a chair for gaming long hours and find myself crossing my legs often. I also love the more "laidback" design of the embody. Cheers mate.
A pretty good comparison / review here ☺️ relevant + helpful to see assessment of chair beyond deisgner intended use
My thoughts exactly. Aeron at work. Embody at home. Didn’t know there was a name for it. The pretzel test.
It's a goofy name, but I dig it 😎
What is the brand/model of the steamer you are using to clean your Leap at 5:49?
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Bought the Steelcase Leap V2 refurbished, best chair I've ever sat in so worth it
Great review. I have also used these alot back in the 90's and early 2k's when they were prominent of big business. These truly are great chairs.
I bought my own personal one for work since they have cheap old chairs with broken down cusions
What desk is that if I may ask? Now working from home I am looking for a nice straight desk to buy
Thanks man! It's an Ikea Karlby countertop that I use as a desktop. It's hugely popular for desk setups. I've a 2018 desk setup video that shows it off in more detail.
I use an Uplift desk for my home office and has been impressed with its quality. Costs a bit more than building your own, but not much considering how much powered bases alone can cost. You can easily customize desktop material, size, shape, type of base, and accessories such as PC tower holder, cable management etc. I find manyof the accessories to be too expensive, but I feel the base table itself to be a fair value.
Thanks for the review. I've had my original Steelcase Leap Coach Edition for at least 15 years, I think. It cost me something like $1,400 at the time, but it still works as good as new, it's comfortable and functional and highly adjustable. One of the best investments/purchases I've ever made. I haven't compared it to the Aeron, and now there's a Leap V2. Plenty to look at and think about, especially now in COVID world, but at the end of the day, my original Leap has never disappointed me and I'm standing (sitting) pat! Thanks again for the review.
It's great chair.. I',m sitting in one now.
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Nice to know this comment was written in comfort
Which one 🤔
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The AERON
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The best video I had the same problem of sitting criss-cross sometimes. And the side support hurts badly. I didnt had to change my playback speed good talking speed maintained in this video.
I got an Aeron PRECISELY because i'm a chronic leg-crosser. Since getting an Aeron, i've been forced to sit correctly and my posture is a lot better.
I work exclusively from home though.
You should review the Steelcase Gesture. The Aeron hurt my legs and back strangely with its restricted positions. The Gesture has a wonderful back support with infinite supported postures.
4:28 that's me everyday...
I'm 220lb and 6"1. I find the C aeron remastered is very comfortable and the B is just a bit too small. The charts suggest B or C but it doesn't feel that way. Anyone who's B or C really needs to sit on the chair to avoid making a purchasing mistake. The Leap on the other hand feels like such a big chair it doesn't really matter.
Watching this after I just got my gaming chair. Regrets
I mean is ~300 usd against ~1500 usd
Surprised to see that you don't have at least 100k subs. Great video quality and content man!
Thanks for checking out the video 🙌🏾
Had this chair and it was really bad for me, im 190cm and 140kg ish, now i have noblechair hero and it cost 4x less and is way better for my size. Also it has more adjustments which is nice.
Glad you found something that works for you!
140kg! Got to get on that plant based diet
I just recently got an aeron classic .after having several racing chairs none come close to the comfort of this chair! also
I'm 5'11 and can sit cross legged no problem in a size C. But sitting on 1 leg does hurt after alittle. My solution is just cross your leg up top in a more proper position! It's a posture chair so it's made to fix lazy habbits that will later give you spine problems.
I just got my classic Aeron, it's amazing and I'll never buy another chair again.
got embody for the last 5 years. Nothing comes close for home office. Will buy another if this one breaks, but so far it is a good as new.
I knew that denim was selvage the minute i saw them fades
extremely well made video and informative
the leg crossing bit is 1000% truth
steelcase is the number 1 chair ever
My daughter is a law student. At this time her classes are online and she is at home in her room. She sits ALL day in her aeron chair, cross legged. She has a B model and she is very petit. We got this chair because she complained about another chair she was using. In the four months she has been using the chair I have not heard one word of complaint. Personally, I have been sitting in an Aeron chair since 2002 and the only issue I had was the pneumatic lift which I had to replace. I use this chair eight to ten hours per day and can't imagine being without it. I have been planning to get a head rest for the chair but I never seem to follow through. Best regards.
Hi mate, check out the new "Embody Gaming chair". It's basically the Embody, but with thicker seat & backrest padding, (thicker than even the balance fabric).
They've used foam, and also applied cooling tech to stop that getting too hot.
The back of the seat is also a bit thicker, allowing you to sit a bit more upright / forward than the original.
Recommended your channel to them, as your reviews greatly helped my decision making.
Thanks man! If Herman Miller sends me one, I'll definitely give it a proper review 👍🏾
Ive had mine for 16 yrs now and was only glad to get rid of mine.
Im on it for around 11 hour a day and in the 16yrs Iv'e been diagnosed with dvt 7 times , cramps more times than I can remember.
I purchased another chair at 1/8 the price and could not be happier
Looks like this chair is not for everyone
I am also looking into converting a seat from a car for office use.
Fortunately for me there is a dealer for Herman Miller in Boston, so I went there to today to try out the Aeron, Embody, and Embody Logitech. I'm 5'10" 208 lbs so a bit chubby (down 50 lb. in 6 months and still working at it so the weight is coming down). I have bad arthritis in my lower back and neck, with COVID I've been working from home since March; between that and gaming I'm in my office chair 10-12 hours / day. I've had enough of my back/neck flaring up and wanted to see if the HM chairs would help. My thoughts based on being at the store for an hour or so:
The Aeron didn't work for me because of the frame (nor did any of the other HM base chairs with a frame). I have huge thighs and even on a size C Aeron the frame was pushing up against my thighs. However the back support with the optional lumbar support was wonderful. If not for the frame I might well have bought one of these.
The Embody wasn't quite as supportive as the Aeron but I like how the chair moved with you. Despite being less supportive I found it more comfortable overall and a bit more roomy. I do wish it had an adjustment for the angle of the seat bottom like the Aeron does. I found the Embody Logitech less comfortable than the standard Embody despite the extra padding that's added. The chair fabric has indentations in it that are quite harsh, and I could feel them in my legs at the front of the chair.
I wanted to try Steelcase as well but the only dealer within 100 miles is a b2b office furniture store.
I ended up placing an order for an Embody, but it won't arrive until October so I have a few more months of my current chair/torture device. Hopefully the Embody will help mitigate back/neck pain aggravation that I'm getting now.
Thanks for your reviews, it's nice to get some feedback of what these chairs are like long term. I saw your earlier video last night but didn't see this one until coming back from chair shopping.
Congratulations on your Embody purchase! I've been very impressed with my Embody over the years. It took me a few weeks to get it dialed in, but once I found the sweet spot for me, it was fantastic. One of these days I'll do a dedicated long term Embody review.
How are you liking the Embody? I'm approximately the same height/weight as you and just purchased a a refurbished size B Aeron for ~$748 USD. I used it for ~ 4 hours last night and couldn't get past how much pressure it puts on my thighs. It ended up being painful enough that I had to switch back to my old gaming chair. I've been using it for ~1 hour today and it feels better but I'm so torn about returning it and maybe getting a new Embody
Thank you for your review! I wish more chair reviews were like this. I do pretzels! It's very rare to find a review that accounts for that.
Thanks for watching man! I'm glad the pretzel test was useful for you 👍🏾
Got my leap platinum 2 for $80 from a guy who was upgrading his construction office building, it's in mint condition! So stoked.
Congrats man!
Fellow Aeron Lover here, FYI there is Gen 2 out now, with even more adjustment. Sitting cross legged is really bad for your health, especially for extended periods. Nice review.
The seat on the Leap has a kind of hinge, that allows the front of the seat to bend downward to prevent cutting off the blood flow to the users legs. That's why it easy to sit cross legged.
I scored an old Aeron from my neighborhood FB group for free. I know it's pretty old because the arm height adjuster locks/unlocks via a wheel. I love the chair!
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Usally i am not a huge fan of music overlays but due to the debilitating back pain i am experiencing i found it rather soothing. (Never use a soft lounge chair hunched over at a computer balancing on a cardboard box on top of a foot stool lower than the chair your on) wow when i type it out you can visually see how stupid i am. 😢 somebody help
i like how this went from leap v aeron to aeron v embody
I can have one of my legs crossed on my Aeron chair comfortably. 👍
This chair has been with me for almost 10 years and I can say there are reasonS why it is the most popular ergonomic chair in the world.
What's amazing is it has been debuted for decades and still remains one of the best in the market.
The AERON is a great chair. I use one at work. I am 6'2" 310 lbs. and I can sit in it all day only getting up to go to the bathroom. My only concern is that the arms wobble when I get up. If you can swing the price it is well worth it. Built to last.
Nice review.
I have used one for over 10 years. But it has issues. If you lean back - no headrest, so I bought an extra one.
Also while leaning back, my shoulders hit the hard plastic. So I have padded the shoulder area, as well as padding in the seat - with washable blankets.
Coming from an office environment, I am "ass trained" to the Herman Miller :D
So I do have a quite a bit of an intrinsic bias.
As you say the Herman Miller is built to last and you can get one which is like new for a fraction of the new price from office liquidations.
Mine for instance cost me £280 and that included the shipping.
I is for this reason that I would consider the Herman Miller AERON to be a no-brainer for someone looking for a good chair - especially for gaming.
What are passed off as "Gaming Chairs" are what I like to call "Sweat Buckets" and cost more than what you would pay for a Herman Miller AERON second hand.
I have the Aeron and the Leap. The Aeron Ive had for nione years and its almost the same today as it was nine years ago, but the Aeron max height is an inch shorter than i need for the height of my desk. The Leap really has not held up to daily use. After five years the vinyl on the armrests are significantly cracked and the seat and back foam has compressed and flattened to the point where I cant sit in it anymore, but my ten year old who is 65lbs can. For me, i bought a new chair, a HON 2.0.
I just got my Aeron today, while having a Leap V2 previously. I must say, I really like the Aeron more so far. The recline is a lot better. I'm not a big fan of the 'liveback' feature of the Leap, as it doesn't feel like you're really reclining. And I'm able to sit comfortably cross legged on the Aeron too! My foot touches the lip a bit, but it's not a big deal. I have the remastered one though, so that might make a difference.
Does the mesh on the remastered cause fabric such as denim to wear away, noticeable in lint collecting at the bottom of the chair?
Tephnos Nope. You can notice dust accumulate but that’s just because dust can pass through the mesh.
Great video and I wish I saw this before buying the Steelcase Gesture! I can't sit comfortably in the Gesture but at least I now have a better idea of what I like and dislike in office chairs. I am considering the Aeron or Embody for my next chair.