Can I just say THANK YOU for showing yourself sitting cross legged in the chair. I have been searching for hours trying to find discussion on this. Your demonstration of it was perfect and caused me to buy!
Im 6'5-6'6 and looking for a chair too. It's so difficult to find specific information about if it's gonna fit us... Do you know some chairs that are not super expensive? I already did research..
Another group of people who may find the Gesture beneficial: people who experience neck and arm issues (with advice from their medical professionals) especially where the two are related. The combination of the extremely adjustable arms and neck / head rest is a winning combo! It’s also quite comfortable to sit sideways while reading / watching things. The headrest can tuck into the side of the neck when the chair is reclined, providing some variation to sitting to stretch one side of the back without compressing the joints on the other side. Thanks for your informative, helpful and thorough reviews.
Thanks for your awesome videos! I bought an embody but I’m 6’ 3” and athletic and I cannot get comfortable in it to save my life. Looking to return it for the Gesture based on your review!
Interesting because I almost got the embody yesterday. Instead I got the gesture. The embody felt a tad better in the show room but my gut said to go with the gesture as a show room sitting is nothing like long term looking. I’m 6’6” - and have leaned the hard way a lot of stuff we buy is not made for taller guys. One day so far in the gesture and it’s good.
@@Ahnestly Another orientation for the headrest that you can try is to have it almost horizontal so that the underside curve is what makes contact with the top of your neck / bottom of your head. I found that the most comfortable for sitting upright to short of being fully reclined.
One important thing that I didn't hear you mention in your review is that it lacks locking in the arm-rests. It drives me crazy how it moves so readily compared to my Embody. Another thing about the chair (unless I'm mistaken) is how it doesn't lock in one of the reclined positions. I feel like this chair is always pushing me forward, just some customizable things I wish Steelcase thought of! I've been using this chair daily for about a month, love your videos Ahn!
You’re right about the arms - I didn’t see it as a huge issue, but see it bothers folks! The push forward is real…some people love it, some people hate it. It’s the design of the backrest - it tilts a little. None of the high end chairs lock in reclined positions though! I was really hoping the new Herman miller vantum would have it, but nope :( Appreciate the kind words and great feedback!
I'm 5'3. Best chair of my life. Every single one of my short female coworkers also loved this chair. As a short woman there are nearly zero chairs made for us. Not sure this chair is fully loaded since it is missing the shell back which I would guess would make it a wee bit more flexible. This chair is like an anti fatigue mat for you body. I did try this chair in 2017 so I'll be contacting customer service to see if anything changed. If not, it's not for tall people. If you're short you need the following config: adjustable lumbar , (thinner) shell backing, and no headrest. Instead of the lumbar being aggressive could it be better for women? Are you aware our lumbar spans more vertebrae and is different? I more than strongly disagree the chair is for tall people. It's unfortunate the headrest isn't removable because my opinion it makes the review inaccurately depicted for tall people. You're reviewing a configuration most people won't buy since it's a $230 add-on for that headrest and you're reviewing a configuration that is ill suited to you, which should poorly reflect not he salesperson and not the chair. I can see the headrest makes you sit in a manner where you even look uncomfortable(subjective) but more importantly: objectively your head is not positioned ergonomically well as a result. Although this does address my concerns about the head rest, so thanks for helping decide absolutely not on that. Thanks for a genuinely honest review.
I tried the Steelcase Gesture, and it was not bad, but not great. I preferred the Leap. However, I also tried their Amia, and found it more comfortable than their more expensive counterparts. So I bought the Amia as my secondary chair. Having said all that, my main chair, the Embody, is still king in my household. Best chair ever.
Currently waiting for my Gesture with headrest that’s coming this week! I’m 5’ 11”, have a couple of back and neck problems. I tried it at a showroom and absolutely loved the lumbar support and headrest. The armrests let me get into a very confortable position.
@@regnittoekim46123 it’s been AMAZING. Absolutely worth every penny. Headaches are gone and back pain is almost non existent. Lumbar support is great, having the option to try different postures while still having proper lumbar support helps your back. 100% recommended.
what a great video. the lumbar problem is similar to the ticova. i ended up buying the ticova over the sihoo m18 after watching a review from that crappy BTODtv youtube channel and HATED it. Your channel provides so much more detail and I wish i found you before.
Hey just wanted to say your video helped me purchase the Gesture! Thanks a lot for that. Stats: 5’9” - 170lbs After getting a new job with a higher paying salary, I decided to shop around for a new office chair. Plus my job is mainly remote and I play PC games a lot, so it makes sense to invest in a good chair. I decided on the Gesture mainly due to the headrest and ability to recline. I actually don’t find the lumbar to be that intense (I would have opted for the extra lumbar support in hindsight). Two months in, and I no longer have the occasional pain in my back/legs. Plus a lot less migraines too!
Hey, tallish folk here at 6' 1". You might also want to take a look at the Haworth Fern. I love mine but there aren't too many reviews out there so you may want to give it a look.
@@Ahnestly I've tried the Fern before. It's pretty good, but I have major gripes with their 4D armrest. It has very similar range of motion to the Steelcase 4D armrests, but it's much less stable. It shakes and wobbles much more, which really subtracts luxury points. I'll point out that if you opt for the more expensive metal frame one (as opposed to the standard plastic), it's much improved. But Steelcase still have the better armrest overall.
I ended up getting the Embody. But the arms on the gesture almost made me purchase it instead. The arms on the Embody are too bulky. I like to get postures perfect and I think the gesture would be perfect for that. But the Embody is so comfortable I won’t be sending it back for the gesture.
Love my gesture, Ive had it a couple years. I think I paid like $850 + tax for mine new with everything but the headrest. (which I kind of wish I bought). I cant believe they are like $1300+ now.
I'm 175cm, and have both Leap and Gestures. I have owned Gestures for 2 yrs and Leap for 1 yr. Gestures really fit for me who sits around 7-8 hrs. per day and uses many gadgets. . But my wife really loves Leap . For me Gesture has force you to stay in right posture all the time. But Leap has more flexibility and lets you sit in more positions.
I'm 193cm (I think that is like 6ft 3') and have a gesture with no headrest (I'm also kinda light for my height, I'm 80kg) A few comments on this chair: - seat: Absolutely agree the seat cushion is really comfortable and the adjustments make it so that you can tune it just right, you can also adjust it while seated which makes finding the right position a lot easier and is something most cheaper chairs wont allow you to do. (I cant praise this seat enough, it make me want to do more work, this may not be as comfortable if you are heavier) - arm rests: also a great point for this chair, the only issue I have with them is that for someone who is tall the actual "pad" is a little too short, is if you want to rest a good portion of your arm and have them extended, a good chunk of the arm is going to be left un supported both before and after the pad, not a deal breaker though, just something I wish was a little different (the pads are more of a soft rubber than an actual pad, really comfortable, the most comfortable I've seen) For me the thing that makes me not like the chair that much is the backrest: the issue with the lumbar support you mentioned can be really uncomfortable, the actual lumbar support is comprised of the backrest (which is nice) and a VERY stiff plastic bit that you can adjust up or down, the issue is that as you recline is will find a position that is not comfortable and it becomes REALLY uncomfortable, like having to take a break uncomfortable. also when you lock the backrest upright (this might be my particular unit that may have an issue) it still has some recline, and when you lean forward a little it wont return to the proper upright position, this would not be an issue if the shape of the lumbar support was not as aggressive, as you said this makes for a VERY NARROW comfort window, for the seat to be comfortable you have to seat just right or it will punish you. Its a shame because the lumbar support gets in the way of the rest of the backrest when you want to recline. I wish that plastic bit was removable, it seems that would make the chair not as comfortable with perfect posture, but have more comfortable positions when seated. I bought the chair because it was the only one I could get my hands on where I would have support all the way up to my shoulders and not have a backreast that would stop at my mid back section an leave the rest un supported. If you are tall and looking for a good chair do consider this, but I would recommend you spend as much time seated with your back supported to try it out and see if you like it, first impressions can be deceiving, the backpain you get when not using the chair properly sets in after a while, not right away. edit: also about how hot it is -> Somehow the fabric cushion does not get uncomfortably hot, I have it at a place with no AC and we can get about 36C during the summer, the arm rests can make you sweat a little since they are rubber and have 0 "breathability" but the seat and backrest are somehow able to not be uncomfortable.
Hola Sebastian. Me encuentro buscando una silla desde hace un tiempo y me interesó tu comentario porque mido y peso lo mismo que vos. En mi país lamentablemente no hay sillas ergonómicas para gente alta, por lo cual estoy evaluando importar una, y esto no me permite probarla previamente... Solo puedo guiarme por reviews. Seguis con la Gesture? Cambiaste de silla? Alguna recomendación? Saludos.
@@NICOKPO77 Hola! disculpa la demora, luego de reclamar con el representante de Steelcase en mi pais me entero que mi silla estaba defectuosa, aun no completan la reparación así que no sé si mi opinión de la silla es justa como la usé sin funcionar correctamente. He visto que muchos youtuber usan la competencia de herman miller (embody), la que al menos en mi país cuesta el doble que la gesture (cuando su precio en USD es bien similar), quizás te conviene revisar esa opción también. De lo que opino de la silla es una buena silla, solo que encuentro incomodo el respaldo, ahora eso es parte de lo que está defectuoso entonces no sé si mi opinión es sobre el diseño de la silla o sobre la parte que no funciona como corresponde. Tanto el cojín como los apoya brazos son sumamente comods y ajustables, para mi lo que no me gusta es el respaldo, pero como comenté eso puede ser por mi unidad en particular.
The gap on the back end of the leap was horrible for me at 188 cm’s. The gesture was much better and the embody was even better with no gap. However, all chairs still left room between my knees and hamstrings. With the headrest the gesture was the best fit for me overall.
Currently on a Sidiz T50. It’s pretty good but I do feel there’s toom for improvement, and I have an option to upgrade to a Gesture or Haworth Fern. I’m heavily considering the Gesture (I’m 5’10, 175 lbs so pretty regular build) so this review came at a good time.
I'm 6'3" and have been looking around for a week or so online. leaning away from aeron due to the hard frame. i have a fake aeron at my studio and when your hip or but hits the side of the seat it hurts ya know. the aeron's really keep you centered but if you want no harsh edges it is easily ruled out. looking into steelcase models now. really don't want to spend over 1k but on the other hand if i can get a chair that will last 10-15 years or more and have a nice warranty then i will spend more than 1k
6’6” here. Just got one yesterday. So far so good. A little worried about tail bone area but I’ll know in a couple of days. I think the trick is to get all the adjustments right. The position of the seat pan making it further back seems to reduce my tailbone anxiety. I think I’m going to like this chair.
6'3" here... I dunno... the one glaring "concern" I have had with my Gesture from day one is the depth of the seat.. I think its short. I see how when you sat down the seat pad edge looked like it came nicely to the your kneejoint with what looked like a two-three fingers thick space.. mine feels like it reaches mid-thigh and when I roll/extend the extra depth the back of my butt feels that back edge, and its experienced as a pressure point.. I feel the gap. I'm a "slim-ish" guy not a lardass (no offense to the lardasses intended 😉) so it aint cos I got junk in the trunk syndrome.. Not complaining tho.. I've found a sweet spot that I can live with, but I do still feel the seat is not ideally as deep as it could/should be.. Mine has black upholstery.. yea.. that mofo in the summer can be a heat soak if it lives in a hot room as mine does up in an 'attic' office that can roast you pretty good in the summer. I sit on a Leap v2 at work.. That little bit of seat upward articulation when you recline does that little extra to make it a pleasure all day, but it doesnt blow your doors off.. but I must say, I've found everyday allday "perfection" with the Think v2..
@Ahnestly What color is this? Is Era(persimmon/scarlet) or Billiards(poppy/rose quartz)? I want this color and the only thing that is blocking me is the color. (On the Steelcase website the colors do not appear to be real life)
would you recommend this chair for someone who likes agressive lumbar and wants to lounge? i'm 6'0 and i currently have an aeron remastered, while working in it feels great I can't keep sitting in it for over 5-6 hrs coz it gets really tiring to sit upstraight for a long time, especially when watching movies, now i also have an ikea poang armchair, and i tried to work in it the other day and it was surprisingly more comfy for long periods than my aeron lol, when i lounge in my aeron parts of the lumbar support and the plastic frame starts randomly digging into my spine, i'm really curious if the gesture would address those points, the poang has pretty aggressive lumbar for an armchair and i really like it. also does the gesture have some sort of 30 days trial?
Gesture does have a 30 day trial. I think you’ll find the lumbar to be much more aggressive and some people warn against a thin bottom cushion! Try it and see!
5'6 - did a major showroom tour pre-covid and tried many brands (Inc. gaming chairs which were disastrous). This chair is perfect for lean-back folk that: don't use lumbar support AND don't need headrest support. The only addition is get a foot rest to keep your legs in-line. The headrest pushes your head too forward and gave headaches. So, save some $ and order it without either.
Everyone is short stocked on these chairs. I managed to find the Gesture on Amazon in only one style immediately available but it did not include the headrest. Is there a model of headrest that can be purchased separately for the Gesture that you recommend?
6’2” and I really like my Gesture. I don’t have the headrest or extra lumbar on mine, and it still has enough lumbar support for me. One thing I will say is that it took me ~1 week to get all the settings to exactly where I want them. I was lucky enough to pick up a ~5yr old, lightly used one for $275. I wouldn’t pay the full $1300 for this chair. Look for a 2nd hand one cause they seem to hold up pretty well
@@spectre3492 it's... fine. Not bad, not great. It's much wider than I'd like. The cushion has slightly flattened out over the years of use, but it's not close to a park bench yet
@@spectre3492 What i've found is the chair is comfortable for 8-12 hours but can get a little uncomfortable past that. I bought mine second hand, its a leather version
When I had mine, somehow without noticing I would slide forward in my seat. Enough so to have to readjust. Absolutely loved the chair, but that single issue kept bothering me. Has anyone had that problem? Maybe it was an issue with just my chair given it was a floor model I bought. The chair is beautiful to look at and feels very well built with quality parts.
Can the arm rests swivel completely 360 degrees so that they are behind the chair? If so this is the ultimate guitarist chair, if not my search for an ergonomic office and guitar chair 2 in 1 continues.
Oh damn that would be awesome! I'll keep my eye out on a chair where the arm rests can disappear. I haven't seen any "special" chairs that can do that - just plain jane chairs that have that ability
Great review! I'm 5'6" just like you and I'm also concerned with the headrest. I have tried it with hr and no-hr at the store. I felt just what you mentioned and it's bother me. However, I kinda want the headrest sometimes when you have such a long online meeting and you might want to lay back and listen to people. I really want to like the Gesture due to its look is much better than cheap looking of Leap. So I'm struggling between Gesture /w HR and no-HR or Leap
@@Nigel__ I can't decide so I went for Aeron lol. I got a good group buy deal with headrest at the price a slightly lower than the chair alone. So I gonna try Aeron and sell it if I don't like for no cost (my country does not offer return policy)
Yo Dan, maybe you or a commenter can offer some advice First off: 5’7” / 150 lbs; old IKEA Volmar with headrest/no arms has served me well for 10+ years but I now really need some armrests to help practice decent ergonomics I’m at my desk for everything - design/animation for looong hours, gaming on PC and console, watching movies, etc. When I’m working, I’m happy being forced into a rigid ergonomic position (my current chair’s firmness helps with that I guess), and when it’s time to relax, I really appreciate the recline/tilt lock and my headrest, even if it’s just a fixed piece with a 1 cm thick pad. The most expensive chairs I’ve been able to try out recently are the Leap v2 and Aeron Classic. I love the way the Aeron forces me to sit; seems best suited for work. The Leap though is so much more flexible and adjustable. What’s keeping me from pulling the trigger on either is the headrest issue. The Aeron has the aftermarket Atlas option of course, but when relaxing I shift into all kinds of unhealthy positions - with all the hard plastic it’s got, the Aeron looks less ideal. The Leap looks better suited for it, but ofc no one is a fan of the Leap w/ headrest. When I tried both these chairs, neither had a headrest and it didn’t feel like either needed one, so there’s that too. This vid makes me think the Gesture w/ headrest could be a good middle ground. Any thoughts/anything else worth considering?
A gesture is really nice, but I've heard a few things... 1. taller people GENERALLY like the Gesture better. Shorter people like me, as stated, find the lumbar a little high up. 2. people complained a lot about the "thinning out" of the seat pad over time. Hope this helps! My personal recommendation is buy a NEW Gesture and test the *(&#$ out of it during the trial period and then either return or keep or return and buy a used one of that's what you want to do!
My son literally sits straight up in any seat he sits in. If he drives my car, the seat is straight up and down every time I get back in it. I've never seen anything like it. I wanted a chair with a headrest, and am pretty sure this won't be my favorite chair as far as comort, but he will primarily be using it, so I'm hoping it works for him when it gets here. Fingers crossed.
How did it end up working for him? I like sitting straight up at a slight forward tilt. Saw a BTODtv review comparing this to the Fern and Embody and it didn't seem like the Gesture was good for an upright position as it's most upright position is a slight recline
@@nothinleader Oh he loves it. It's perfect for him. I'm not sure about the tilt as I don't sit in it much, but when I have I was surprised that it didn't bother me like I thought it would. I don't find it uncomfortable at all. I hear it feels like it's pushing forward from a lot of people so it's worth a shot I think. Good luck!
You might have changed my view avout Steelcase, I'm one of the tall folks and I've always felt less attracted to the brand as a whole than HM. But hey, that headrest looks insane. Might be the next acquisition as I need to buy a new chair for one of my employee! Thanks for your ahnestly!
This i did not test in showroom. Are you saying that when you lean backwards (recline) in aeron, you do not have contact with lumbar support? Does the same applies to embody?
Your lower back should not have contact with the chair when you lean back 45 degrees bc your hips come forward. The lumbar support on the gesture is like a board, so instead of flexing on your upper back, it feels like a staff board!
I got a Steel Case Gesture this week switched from a gaming chair, I don't know If I'm sold on it yet . (6'3) The headrest pushes my neck forward and causes pain and the headrest can be moved back like you said, but my head hits it. I might try to switch to a gesture without the headrest or try an embody. But, Ima keep using it until the return period ends to see if it made a difference and if I can live with the headrest.
Love this review. One question: What material are the legs? Do I need to upgrade to polished aluminum to have metal? Or are the black ones metal too? TIA
That is a great question. I can’t be 100% sure but I believe black is also metal. If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a lot!! Btw the steelcase sale ends 11/28!
Great review, thank you for this! I'm on the fence and was hoping you could help me with a question I have. I'll use your link if I do move forward with the purchase. I'm 6'1 and about 175. I currently use a Steelcase Amia as my daily driver (work from home). My main concern about the Gesture that I've seen a lot of complaints about in reviews, is the seat depth. My Amia is so-so for me, personally I would like a little more depth. How does the Gesture compare to the Amia in regards to seat depth? Your help is appreciated, thank you!
@Ahnestly Help please I'm 6'4" 250lbs and need a new chair. I also have back problems and Im looking for a new chair that will help my back what do you suggest? Dont care about price
I’m in the same boat at 6’5 290lbs with back and neck issues and both lumbar and neck fusions. I sat in the X-chair X3 w/ headrest (mesh is better than X2) and it was amazing. I have appointments to try the HM Aeron C, Embody and Steelcase Gesture w/ headrest. If Aeron feels right I will be getting the Atlas headrest. I will make a decision after I can compare all of these. Good luck!
Yeah i would say go to a store and check out the Aeron "C" chair and the Embody. Those are still my favorite chair recommendations. If you watch my video, The Blind Guys, you'll see what Yong, the tallest one, picks.
Thank you for this detailed review, you are the best! I so appreciate your knowledge, honesty, and personal experience which gives me a better baseline to work from as I consider my next chair (soon I hope- :).) I misplaced your channel for some months but it won't happen again, I am subscribed now. and will be watching for new content. Thanks again! Absolute best!
The headrest, even with the re-engineered mount, is wobbly after only 3 weeks. It's not holding my head and I have not been abusing it. It's really sad. I wanted to like it. This chair is too rigid though tbh. It's more rigid than Leap in a bad way.
Hi! I really wouldn't recommend it for shorter folks. I think the lumbar support sits a bit funny! Check out my Steelcase Amia review - I think that would be a much better choice!
me either. what chair are you having right now? i feel like most chairs ive tried from HM SC Haworth etc. all have a backrest that curves back too early. With leap's lumbar all the way down, I feel I can relieve my shoulder blades a little bit.
@@emrekilic4099 have a sit in a Gesture. Make sure it is the version without a headrest. the back from the normal Gesture(headrest-less) feels different. depends on your torso length, not your height, you might like ergohuman chairs that typically have a movable backrest that you can rise up and down to fit your back.
Yeah unfortunately this chair didn't work out for me. I have a very specific back pain problem and no matter what I did, I could not get this chair to relieve my pain. It actually almost made my pain worse haha. Oh well, the chair search continues.
Hint: Don’t sit in the Series 1 after sitting in the Gesture, Leap, Amia and Series 2. Then it seems like a wooden bench! Still a nice chair, though, just missing a few features of the Series 2.
Im 170 but much slimmer than you, and the aeron B seatpan is not that comfy for me. So i was looking into the embody and the gesture itself, because the seat seems more of a safe choice, and the armrests are incredible. If it's more targeted to tall people i wont consider it, then :( expecially in europe, i dont see a lot of trustable alternatives to the aeron, regardless of the budget. Will try the embody next month tho, is it good for short people? thx
@@Ahnestly already did, gonna try that in person as well. Hope it's more comfortable on tha hamstrings. My right leg is 100% fine on the aeron, the left not do. Problem could also be my previous sitting position, as i used to sit with my left leg bent and garbage like that for years
I saw that!!! It's so weird - there's no marking on the box for it! I just got the gaming Embody in for review and their box DOES state you should cut it that way!! Omg...i'm having PTSD thinking of how i unloaded and reloaded that chair in the shipping box. Felt like I was wrestling someone...
Please do a video Embody vs Gesture as they seem to be similar For me, I found the lumbar of the Embody to more aggressive than then Gesture. I use the Gesture and am around 5’6 There are some people who take out the lumbar or set it to the lowest if your not a fan of the lumbar
Interesting...I don't find the embody's lumbar aggressive. Although you have to sit in the Embody in a certain way that makes it seem more aggressive. I had to send my Gesture back, so won't be able to make a video on it, but maybe once the Embody gets a headrest, I can do a comparison then!
@@Ahnestly I really want to love my embody but I just can’t get the back rest configuration right. What settings you do use for your embody? Do you sit all the way back in the Embody? I find there a bulge that just pushes against my spine when I sit all the way back so I have to move my butt abit forward so that there’s a gap between the backrest which puts me a more recline position. I’ll keep giving it some more tries… I’m always curious why people say the Gesture has aggressive lumbar when if anything, the Leap V2 has a more ‘hollow’ sitting experience and adjustable depth lumbar which I feel is more aggressive. The lumbar on the gesture to me is almost non existence lol
@@DanneoYT In the same boat as you man, have things gotten better? That spot just keeps digging into my tailbone, I have to take a break for like a week until I can heal
Great review as always! I'm 6'3" and was thinking about getting this chair, until you mentioned it's for people who don't get hot (live in Hawaii with no AC). Guess I'll search for an Aeron size C
Lumbar is optional and the chair is a lot better without it. I think it was included just due to the marketing gimmick of it, but the chair will naturally support your lumbar that the additional piece of plastic isn't necessary.
Not true. Some people (taller, leaner especially) need the extra lumbar support. I tried both and without it I get back pain, it’s too straight, with it - simply the best chair in the world. We truly are all unique.
@@Ahnestly Noice! I'm still looking! I was the dude who hit you up on IG for a chair that could hold up to 500 lbs. Losing the weight instead 🤣 Seems the smarter decision
I am 195cm tall (6foot 5 i think) and i am looking to buy a gesture or a HM Embody. Which of them is the best considered that the steelcase warranty i dropped to 5 years?
Steelcase only dropped to 5 years in UK I think? I'm an Embody fan, esp now that it has a headrest, but I think the Gesture's back sits in a more neutral position whereas the Embody top most part of the back turned in a little, which bothered some taller folks. I don't think you can go wrong with either one! Check the return policies and if it's free return, get both and return the one you don't like! If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly I would considere your links, but im from Germany and cannot use them to buy. They dropped the support to 5 Years unfortunatly here aswell last year. But you are right i should get both and test both if possible. I should read the policies from atlas aswell, maybe i can test the embody headrest to compare it against the gesture
@@tillneumann3293 I don't believe the Atlas headrest has free returns, but yes! if you're able to test the chairs, then test them first! The headrest will only make things better!!
Was planning to buy this but this video pretty much convinced me not to. I sit up straight and prefer a less aggressive lumbar support, what chair would you recommend instead of this?
Great question - I'm going to say you should probably choose this over the Neue, even though I love SOOO much about the Neue, the warranty on the Gesture can't be beat!
Hi has anybody seen the HM Embody review from Artesian builds ? It’s a very negative review of the chair which I find really strange because all reviews that I’ve found are either super positive or lining towards positive. Plus I sat on the chair in a showroom and found it really awesome, it was just for a few minutes though before ordering it….4-8 weeks delivery time. This review has made me a bit concerned. Anybody care to share pls their honest opinion. Im 186cm 99kg. I returned the steelcase gesture btw because it gave me back pain after 10 days of 8+ hours of usage plus it felt really stiff.
I'm 6'5 and am returning my Embody. The deal breaker for me was the rounded shoulders it forces. Also, my seat was defective and was poking my butt. The showroom Embodys feel great because the chair has been broken in for years. It's weird, but Embodys get better over time.
Upholstery Color: Era - Saffron (5ER7) Color Scheme for Frame: Platinum Metallic Frame with Seagull Seat/Back, Merle arms (Light/Light) Hope this helps!
@@Ahnestly It actually did! The color does exist on their website but it looks SUPER red in the picture, and "live" on your video it looks like some nice orange accent, that's why I couldn't "find" that color : ) Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it. p.s. waiting for an update for the embody atlas headrest : )
This one might not be a bad idea. I've also got some guys in the 6'4 range telling me the HM Embody has been solid for them and a company is making a headrest for it. Check out my latest video!
I think I mentioned it a couple times throughout the video and included the heights for the people who i think would find it comfortable! But easy to miss it since the video is so long! I'm 5'6! I think people 5'8 and taller would find it comfortable - check out my other channel The Blind Guys for further verification of my analysis th-cam.com/video/JsjoaXXkdg4/w-d-xo.html
For an average height person (5'9"), which chair do you recommend with a headrest? I tried Gesture and find it is great when I recline but it pushes my head forward when I sit upright. Turning is headrest back will still allow it to hit my head.
I'd say try out the Aeron or embody if you can afford the gesture. Free returns if you don't like it and you can watch my reviews if you have questions! Please consider using my link to purchase!
@@Ahnestly Thank you very much. I have been watching various reviews on those chairs. It seems that with most of the stuffs very good, there are one main concern for each chair. Aeron has a mesh seat which seems to be uncomfortable in general compared to foam seat, and reclining will raise the seat pan which makes things worse. I personally don't have experience on mesh chairs and don't know whether I will like it, but I don't like raising the seat pan when reclining. For embody, the armrest is not so adjustable and is too forward when is at the same level of the desk. I need to use armrest at the desk level since my should is not so good. May I know which one do you think is less of a concern or easier to mitigate? In particular, how forward is the armrest of Embody at desk level compared to Gesture (which I suppose is already a bit forward compared to Aeron and Leap)? Thank you very much.
Hm i don’t find any of those things you mentioned to be issues for me personally. I’d say the embody arms are definitely not that far forward and might be the easier one to mitigate?
@@Ahnestly Thank you very much. Do you find it comfortable to type when raise at the desk level? I have seen video here saying that he have to stuck it under the desk. th-cam.com/video/avWG8Zl27VQ/w-d-xo.html
Hey, my only problem with Gesture is that the seat foam is too thin for me as it makes my butt after sitting on it for a while. Do you have any suggestion for that?
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im 6"2 love this chair.
Can I just say THANK YOU for showing yourself sitting cross legged in the chair. I have been searching for hours trying to find discussion on this. Your demonstration of it was perfect and caused me to buy!
Reason why I made the purchase just right now. Agreed. Thank you !
I'm 6'6" and I tried one of these today at a store. Will likely be getting one soon. It will be so much better than my $5 chair from goodwill lol
Lol nice!!
what store?
@@argotheinformant A local office store where I live. I've had the chair for over a month now and it's excellent!
How is it mate? I’m 6 6 as well
Im 6'5-6'6 and looking for a chair too.
It's so difficult to find specific information about if it's gonna fit us...
Do you know some chairs that are not super expensive? I already did research..
Another group of people who may find the Gesture beneficial: people who experience neck and arm issues (with advice from their medical professionals) especially where the two are related.
The combination of the extremely adjustable arms and neck / head rest is a winning combo!
It’s also quite comfortable to sit sideways while reading / watching things. The headrest can tuck into the side of the neck when the chair is reclined, providing some variation to sitting to stretch one side of the back without compressing the joints on the other side.
Thanks for your informative, helpful and thorough reviews.
Thank you for the kind words!!!
Thanks for your awesome videos! I bought an embody but I’m 6’ 3” and athletic and I cannot get comfortable in it to save my life. Looking to return it for the Gesture based on your review!
I'm 6'5 and really wanted an Embody but am extremely thankful for comments / reviews that helped me steer away from getting one!
how was the change from Embody to the Gesture?
Interesting because I almost got the embody yesterday. Instead I got the gesture. The embody felt a tad better in the show room but my gut said to go with the gesture as a show room sitting is nothing like long term looking. I’m 6’6” - and have leaned the hard way a lot of stuff we buy is not made for taller guys. One day so far in the gesture and it’s good.
I’ve been in a gesture for a couple weeks but it hurts my back side (back and bottom) a lot. I’m 6’1” 205lbs…
This is the exact review I was looking for man. There is absolutely no review that show the full ROM of the gesture's headrest. Thank you!
You’re very welcome!!
@@Ahnestly Another orientation for the headrest that you can try is to have it almost horizontal so that the underside curve is what makes contact with the top of your neck / bottom of your head. I found that the most comfortable for sitting upright to short of being fully reclined.
I'm 5'5" and the gesture fitss perfectly. I've been using it for 3 years and it's the best chair ever. I removed the lumbar support from day 1.
Oh! Great to know! Do you play guitar on it? (assuming from your name you play guitar!)
@@Ahnestly Yes! I often extend the seat pan and play in classical position
Did you get the chair with a headrest?
One important thing that I didn't hear you mention in your review is that it lacks locking in the arm-rests. It drives me crazy how it moves so readily compared to my Embody. Another thing about the chair (unless I'm mistaken) is how it doesn't lock in one of the reclined positions. I feel like this chair is always pushing me forward, just some customizable things I wish Steelcase thought of! I've been using this chair daily for about a month, love your videos Ahn!
You’re right about the arms - I didn’t see it as a huge issue, but see it bothers folks! The push forward is real…some people love it, some people hate it. It’s the design of the backrest - it tilts a little.
None of the high end chairs lock in reclined positions though! I was really hoping the new Herman miller vantum would have it, but nope :(
Appreciate the kind words and great feedback!
I'm 5'3. Best chair of my life. Every single one of my short female coworkers also loved this chair. As a short woman there are nearly zero chairs made for us. Not sure this chair is fully loaded since it is missing the shell back which I would guess would make it a wee bit more flexible. This chair is like an anti fatigue mat for you body. I did try this chair in 2017 so I'll be contacting customer service to see if anything changed. If not, it's not for tall people. If you're short you need the following config: adjustable lumbar , (thinner) shell backing, and no headrest. Instead of the lumbar being aggressive could it be better for women? Are you aware our lumbar spans more vertebrae and is different?
I more than strongly disagree the chair is for tall people. It's unfortunate the headrest isn't removable because my opinion it makes the review inaccurately depicted for tall people. You're reviewing a configuration most people won't buy since it's a $230 add-on for that headrest and you're reviewing a configuration that is ill suited to you, which should poorly reflect not he salesperson and not the chair. I can see the headrest makes you sit in a manner where you even look uncomfortable(subjective) but more importantly: objectively your head is not positioned ergonomically well as a result. Although this does address my concerns about the head rest, so thanks for helping decide absolutely not on that. Thanks for a genuinely honest review.
I'm 6'4 and also love it. Maybe it's made for short women and tall men lol.
I tried the Steelcase Gesture, and it was not bad, but not great. I preferred the Leap. However, I also tried their Amia, and found it more comfortable than their more expensive counterparts. So I bought the Amia as my secondary chair. Having said all that, my main chair, the Embody, is still king in my household. Best chair ever.
The Amia is my favorite steelcase chair…if only it has the gesture arms!! And agree about the embody…it’s the king
Just wanted to say THANK YOU for adding metric units!
Currently waiting for my Gesture with headrest that’s coming this week! I’m 5’ 11”, have a couple of back and neck problems. I tried it at a showroom and absolutely loved the lumbar support and headrest. The armrests let me get into a very confortable position.
I'm also 5'11" with lower back problems....how's it holding up for you?
@@regnittoekim46123 it’s been AMAZING. Absolutely worth every penny. Headaches are gone and back pain is almost non existent. Lumbar support is great, having the option to try different postures while still having proper lumbar support helps your back. 100% recommended.
@@ivogiulietti8873 how about for the neck pain which is what i suffer from, also about 6'1
Great video, bought 2 aeron chairs last year after watching your review.
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what a great video. the lumbar problem is similar to the ticova. i ended up buying the ticova over the sihoo m18 after watching a review from that crappy BTODtv youtube channel and HATED it. Your channel provides so much more detail and I wish i found you before.
I lost respect for BTOD with their shameless way of claiming their custom made Lamia is an S rank chair over dozens of others they reviewed.
1,87 m here. Just pulled the trigger for Steelcase Gesture "Black edition" for €900 shipping included. Can't wait to receive it.
Nice!!!
@@Ahnestly thanks for your review, let's see how it goes!
As a 5'1" person, I got recs from my dude friends who liked the steelcase - glad I came across this video.
Hey just wanted to say your video helped me purchase the Gesture! Thanks a lot for that.
Stats:
5’9” - 170lbs
After getting a new job with a higher paying salary, I decided to shop around for a new office chair. Plus my job is mainly remote and I play PC games a lot, so it makes sense to invest in a good chair.
I decided on the Gesture mainly due to the headrest and ability to recline. I actually don’t find the lumbar to be that intense (I would have opted for the extra lumbar support in hindsight). Two months in, and I no longer have the occasional pain in my back/legs. Plus a lot less migraines too!
Nice!!! wow!
Hey, tallish folk here at 6' 1". You might also want to take a look at the Haworth Fern. I love mine but there aren't too many reviews out there so you may want to give it a look.
Interesting...I might have to. I reached out to Haworth and never got a response back
@@Ahnestly please we need a mesh chair clean video asap.
İ cant use my used chair until.you teach me 😭
@@Ahnestly I've tried the Fern before. It's pretty good, but I have major gripes with their 4D armrest. It has very similar range of motion to the Steelcase 4D armrests, but it's much less stable. It shakes and wobbles much more, which really subtracts luxury points.
I'll point out that if you opt for the more expensive metal frame one (as opposed to the standard plastic), it's much improved. But Steelcase still have the better armrest overall.
I ended up getting the Embody. But the arms on the gesture almost made me purchase it instead. The arms on the Embody are too bulky. I like to get postures perfect and I think the gesture would be perfect for that. But the Embody is so comfortable I won’t be sending it back for the gesture.
Love my gesture, Ive had it a couple years. I think I paid like $850 + tax for mine new with everything but the headrest. (which I kind of wish I bought). I cant believe they are like $1300+ now.
Right???
I'm 175cm, and have both Leap and Gestures. I have owned Gestures for 2 yrs and Leap for 1 yr. Gestures really fit for me who sits around 7-8 hrs. per day and uses many gadgets.
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But my wife really loves Leap
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For me Gesture has force you to stay in right posture all the time. But Leap has more flexibility and lets you sit in more positions.
I'm 193cm (I think that is like 6ft 3') and have a gesture with no headrest (I'm also kinda light for my height, I'm 80kg)
A few comments on this chair:
- seat: Absolutely agree the seat cushion is really comfortable and the adjustments make it so that you can tune it just right, you can also adjust it while seated which makes finding the right position a lot easier and is something most cheaper chairs wont allow you to do. (I cant praise this seat enough, it make me want to do more work, this may not be as comfortable if you are heavier)
- arm rests: also a great point for this chair, the only issue I have with them is that for someone who is tall the actual "pad" is a little too short, is if you want to rest a good portion of your arm and have them extended, a good chunk of the arm is going to be left un supported both before and after the pad, not a deal breaker though, just something I wish was a little different (the pads are more of a soft rubber than an actual pad, really comfortable, the most comfortable I've seen)
For me the thing that makes me not like the chair that much is the backrest: the issue with the lumbar support you mentioned can be really uncomfortable, the actual lumbar support is comprised of the backrest (which is nice) and a VERY stiff plastic bit that you can adjust up or down, the issue is that as you recline is will find a position that is not comfortable and it becomes REALLY uncomfortable, like having to take a break uncomfortable. also when you lock the backrest upright (this might be my particular unit that may have an issue) it still has some recline, and when you lean forward a little it wont return to the proper upright position, this would not be an issue if the shape of the lumbar support was not as aggressive, as you said this makes for a VERY NARROW comfort window, for the seat to be comfortable you have to seat just right or it will punish you. Its a shame because the lumbar support gets in the way of the rest of the backrest when you want to recline.
I wish that plastic bit was removable, it seems that would make the chair not as comfortable with perfect posture, but have more comfortable positions when seated.
I bought the chair because it was the only one I could get my hands on where I would have support all the way up to my shoulders and not have a backreast that would stop at my mid back section an leave the rest un supported.
If you are tall and looking for a good chair do consider this, but I would recommend you spend as much time seated with your back supported to try it out and see if you like it, first impressions can be deceiving, the backpain you get when not using the chair properly sets in after a while, not right away.
edit: also about how hot it is -> Somehow the fabric cushion does not get uncomfortably hot, I have it at a place with no AC and we can get about 36C during the summer, the arm rests can make you sweat a little since they are rubber and have 0 "breathability" but the seat and backrest are somehow able to not be uncomfortable.
Great points!
you can remove the lumbar piece.
@@zkmoonea really? How?
Hola Sebastian.
Me encuentro buscando una silla desde hace un tiempo y me interesó tu comentario porque mido y peso lo mismo que vos. En mi país lamentablemente no hay sillas ergonómicas para gente alta, por lo cual estoy evaluando importar una, y esto no me permite probarla previamente... Solo puedo guiarme por reviews.
Seguis con la Gesture? Cambiaste de silla? Alguna recomendación?
Saludos.
@@NICOKPO77 Hola!
disculpa la demora, luego de reclamar con el representante de Steelcase en mi pais me entero que mi silla estaba defectuosa, aun no completan la reparación así que no sé si mi opinión de la silla es justa como la usé sin funcionar correctamente.
He visto que muchos youtuber usan la competencia de herman miller (embody), la que al menos en mi país cuesta el doble que la gesture (cuando su precio en USD es bien similar), quizás te conviene revisar esa opción también.
De lo que opino de la silla es una buena silla, solo que encuentro incomodo el respaldo, ahora eso es parte de lo que está defectuoso entonces no sé si mi opinión es sobre el diseño de la silla o sobre la parte que no funciona como corresponde.
Tanto el cojín como los apoya brazos son sumamente comods y ajustables, para mi lo que no me gusta es el respaldo, pero como comenté eso puede ser por mi unidad en particular.
Very good video. Thanks for that. Think I’m sold on the gesture. Looks fantastic.
Excellent review.
I've been thinking about buying a Gesture.
This video just might sway me.
Oh wow, thank you so much for posting this!
You're very welcome!
The gap on the back end of the leap was horrible for me at 188 cm’s. The gesture was much better and the embody was even better with no gap. However, all chairs still left room between my knees and hamstrings. With the headrest the gesture was the best fit for me overall.
Just got a second hand one without a head rest for my new place and I am so excited to not be a slouchy loser haha
Nice!!!
Currently on a Sidiz T50. It’s pretty good but I do feel there’s toom for improvement, and I have an option to upgrade to a Gesture or Haworth Fern. I’m heavily considering the Gesture (I’m 5’10, 175 lbs so pretty regular build) so this review came at a good time.
Fingers crossed - currently talking with Haworth. Hoping to come to a final conclusion here soon!
Hey have you upgraded to a Gesture? I just wanted to hear from you because I'm also on a Sidiz now and going to consider a Gesture.
I'm 6'3" and have been looking around for a week or so online. leaning away from aeron due to the hard frame. i have a fake aeron at my studio and when your hip or but hits the side of the seat it hurts ya know. the aeron's really keep you centered but if you want no harsh edges it is easily ruled out. looking into steelcase models now. really don't want to spend over 1k but on the other hand if i can get a chair that will last 10-15 years or more and have a nice warranty then i will spend more than 1k
The people who like steelcase chairs swear by them!
6’6” here. Just got one yesterday. So far so good. A little worried about tail bone area but I’ll know in a couple of days. I think the trick is to get all the adjustments right. The position of the seat pan making it further back seems to reduce my tailbone anxiety. I think I’m going to like this chair.
Noticed this was posted almost a week ago. Do you have any updates?
@@johnmcgraw9373 - I’m happy to report no issues at all. I love this chair. Maybe it just took a day to get used to.
08:05 Thats how I set all the time thats the important thing for me if I want to buy a chair
so excited getting mine ina month!!!!!! :)
Nice! You should see someone about that bite though...
@@Ahnestly thx for the concern but it's probably too late at this pt. I mean, look at me. 🧟♂️
Hi Dan, what's the highest the arms go? can they go as high as as a flip up arms chair that gets completely out of the way?
Naw they can't go that high. I show the range prety well in this video
lol, I'm 192cm (6'4"?) and I love this chair, sat in few others, but Gesture my favourite by a mile.. mostly because of arm rests, they are the best
6'3" here... I dunno... the one glaring "concern" I have had with my Gesture from day one is the depth of the seat.. I think its short. I see how when you sat down the seat pad edge looked like it came nicely to the your kneejoint with what looked like a two-three fingers thick space.. mine feels like it reaches mid-thigh and when I roll/extend the extra depth the back of my butt feels that back edge, and its experienced as a pressure point.. I feel the gap. I'm a "slim-ish" guy not a lardass (no offense to the lardasses intended 😉) so it aint cos I got junk in the trunk syndrome..
Not complaining tho.. I've found a sweet spot that I can live with, but I do still feel the seat is not ideally as deep as it could/should be..
Mine has black upholstery.. yea.. that mofo in the summer can be a heat soak if it lives in a hot room as mine does up in an 'attic' office that can roast you pretty good in the summer.
I sit on a Leap v2 at work.. That little bit of seat upward articulation when you recline does that little extra to make it a pleasure all day, but it doesnt blow your doors off.. but I must say, I've found everyday allday "perfection" with the Think v2..
Short seat depth makes me panic a bit. Just thinking of sitting on it with my bottom thighs hanging off and pushing down just makes me ass squish
I had the same issue with the Gesture with my butt being on the edge/falling off.
I actually have a Think V2 on the way. We'll see how it goes.
Many "tall" reviews or comments are from people around 6'0, however that is still within the rang of many typical chair designs.
Can u recommend some that are good for tall people but on a budget around 200 more or less? im 187cm
@Ahnestly What color is this? Is Era(persimmon/scarlet) or Billiards(poppy/rose quartz)? I want this color and the only thing that is blocking me is the color. (On the Steelcase website the colors do not appear to be real life)
Upholstery Color: Era - Saffron (5ER7)
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Would a seat pad help with moving the s-curve down so it hits you in the proper lumbar position? thanks for the vid
Does the seat panning help with the aggressive lumbar? Great videos!
Those arms are very nice. I just want those arms on the perfect seat.
Is it possible to move the arms completely out of the way? I play guitar on my guitar sometimes.
Naw, not completely, but it does get pretty low. If you have large thighs, you might be cable to sit without them in the way!
Cool thanks man
hey man, great review, I am six foot one with long torso. what do you think of the nightingale brand? I need long/tall back support.
would you recommend this chair for someone who likes agressive lumbar and wants to lounge? i'm 6'0 and i currently have an aeron remastered, while working in it feels great I can't keep sitting in it for over 5-6 hrs coz it gets really tiring to sit upstraight for a long time, especially when watching movies, now i also have an ikea poang armchair, and i tried to work in it the other day and it was surprisingly more comfy for long periods than my aeron lol, when i lounge in my aeron parts of the lumbar support and the plastic frame starts randomly digging into my spine, i'm really curious if the gesture would address those points, the poang has pretty aggressive lumbar for an armchair and i really like it. also does the gesture have some sort of 30 days trial?
Gesture does have a 30 day trial. I think you’ll find the lumbar to be much more aggressive and some people warn against a thin bottom cushion! Try it and see!
5'6 - did a major showroom tour pre-covid and tried many brands (Inc. gaming chairs which were disastrous). This chair is perfect for lean-back folk that: don't use lumbar support AND don't need headrest support. The only addition is get a foot rest to keep your legs in-line. The headrest pushes your head too forward and gave headaches. So, save some $ and order it without either.
Did you try turning over the headrest like I showed?
Everyone is short stocked on these chairs. I managed to find the Gesture on Amazon in only one style immediately available but it did not include the headrest. Is there a model of headrest that can be purchased separately for the Gesture that you recommend?
I don’t believe so unfortunately! The headrest didn’t look like it could be removed from what I recall!
6’2” and I really like my Gesture. I don’t have the headrest or extra lumbar on mine, and it still has enough lumbar support for me. One thing I will say is that it took me ~1 week to get all the settings to exactly where I want them.
I was lucky enough to pick up a ~5yr old, lightly used one for $275. I wouldn’t pay the full $1300 for this chair. Look for a 2nd hand one cause they seem to hold up pretty well
Nice!!
how is the seat pan on this chair? ive heard both that its comfortable and other people saying that its like a park bench
@@spectre3492 it's... fine. Not bad, not great. It's much wider than I'd like. The cushion has slightly flattened out over the years of use, but it's not close to a park bench yet
@@spectre3492 What i've found is the chair is comfortable for 8-12 hours but can get a little uncomfortable past that. I bought mine second hand, its a leather version
Amazing review! Now i want to buy this chair, but in exact theses colors. Unfortunately i cant find it with theses colors. Is the color Era Saffron?
When I had mine, somehow without noticing I would slide forward in my seat. Enough so to have to readjust. Absolutely loved the chair, but that single issue kept bothering me. Has anyone had that problem? Maybe it was an issue with just my chair given it was a floor model I bought. The chair is beautiful to look at and feels very well built with quality parts.
Can the arm rests swivel completely 360 degrees so that they are behind the chair? If so this is the ultimate guitarist chair, if not my search for an ergonomic office and guitar chair 2 in 1 continues.
Oh damn that would be awesome! I'll keep my eye out on a chair where the arm rests can disappear. I haven't seen any "special" chairs that can do that - just plain jane chairs that have that ability
Great review!
I'm 5'6" just like you and I'm also concerned with the headrest. I have tried it with hr and no-hr at the store. I felt just what you mentioned and it's bother me. However, I kinda want the headrest sometimes when you have such a long online meeting and you might want to lay back and listen to people.
I really want to like the Gesture due to its look is much better than cheap looking of Leap. So I'm struggling between Gesture /w HR and no-HR or Leap
What did you end up going with? I’m considering the Gesture with headrest.
@@Nigel__ I can't decide so I went for Aeron lol. I got a good group buy deal with headrest at the price a slightly lower than the chair alone. So I gonna try Aeron and sell it if I don't like for no cost (my country does not offer return policy)
Yo Dan, maybe you or a commenter can offer some advice
First off: 5’7” / 150 lbs; old IKEA Volmar with headrest/no arms has served me well for 10+ years but I now really need some armrests to help practice decent ergonomics
I’m at my desk for everything - design/animation for looong hours, gaming on PC and console, watching movies, etc. When I’m working, I’m happy being forced into a rigid ergonomic position (my current chair’s firmness helps with that I guess), and when it’s time to relax, I really appreciate the recline/tilt lock and my headrest, even if it’s just a fixed piece with a 1 cm thick pad.
The most expensive chairs I’ve been able to try out recently are the Leap v2 and Aeron Classic. I love the way the Aeron forces me to sit; seems best suited for work. The Leap though is so much more flexible and adjustable. What’s keeping me from pulling the trigger on either is the headrest issue.
The Aeron has the aftermarket Atlas option of course, but when relaxing I shift into all kinds of unhealthy positions - with all the hard plastic it’s got, the Aeron looks less ideal. The Leap looks better suited for it, but ofc no one is a fan of the Leap w/ headrest. When I tried both these chairs, neither had a headrest and it didn’t feel like either needed one, so there’s that too.
This vid makes me think the Gesture w/ headrest could be a good middle ground. Any thoughts/anything else worth considering?
A gesture is really nice, but I've heard a few things...
1. taller people GENERALLY like the Gesture better. Shorter people like me, as stated, find the lumbar a little high up.
2. people complained a lot about the "thinning out" of the seat pad over time.
Hope this helps! My personal recommendation is buy a NEW Gesture and test the *(&#$ out of it during the trial period and then either return or keep or return and buy a used one of that's what you want to do!
Great reviews!
My son literally sits straight up in any seat he sits in. If he drives my car, the seat is straight up and down every time I get back in it. I've never seen anything like it. I wanted a chair with a headrest, and am pretty sure this won't be my favorite chair as far as comort, but he will primarily be using it, so I'm hoping it works for him when it gets here. Fingers crossed.
How did it end up working for him? I like sitting straight up at a slight forward tilt. Saw a BTODtv review comparing this to the Fern and Embody and it didn't seem like the Gesture was good for an upright position as it's most upright position is a slight recline
@@nothinleader Oh he loves it. It's perfect for him. I'm not sure about the tilt as I don't sit in it much, but when I have I was surprised that it didn't bother me like I thought it would. I don't find it uncomfortable at all. I hear it feels like it's pushing forward from a lot of people so it's worth a shot I think. Good luck!
You might have changed my view avout Steelcase, I'm one of the tall folks and I've always felt less attracted to the brand as a whole than HM. But hey, that headrest looks insane. Might be the next acquisition as I need to buy a new chair for one of my employee!
Thanks for your ahnestly!
I think the Gesture is a pretty innovative chair. I didn't feel the same way about the Leap, which I'll post the review in the next month or so
This i did not test in showroom. Are you saying that when you lean backwards (recline) in aeron, you do not have contact with lumbar support? Does the same applies to embody?
Your lower back should not have contact with the chair when you lean back 45 degrees bc your hips come forward. The lumbar support on the gesture is like a board, so instead of flexing on your upper back, it feels like a staff board!
I got a Steel Case Gesture this week switched from a gaming chair, I don't know If I'm sold on it yet . (6'3) The headrest pushes my neck forward and causes pain and the headrest can be moved back like you said, but my head hits it. I might try to switch to a gesture without the headrest or try an embody. But, Ima keep using it until the return period ends to see if it made a difference and if I can live with the headrest.
it's a 14 day return policy so keep that in mind! I love my Embody - still my top 2 picks!
do you get enough upper body support from this chair? what gaming chair were you using?
heard a lot of comments say the seat has hardly any padding and it's uncomfortable?
Love this review. One question: What material are the legs? Do I need to upgrade to polished aluminum to have metal? Or are the black ones metal too? TIA
That is a great question. I can’t be 100% sure but I believe black is also metal. If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a lot!! Btw the steelcase sale ends 11/28!
8:10 that kakaotalk sound 😂
Hahahaha you caught me
Great review, thank you for this! I'm on the fence and was hoping you could help me with a question I have. I'll use your link if I do move forward with the purchase. I'm 6'1 and about 175. I currently use a Steelcase Amia as my daily driver (work from home). My main concern about the Gesture that I've seen a lot of complaints about in reviews, is the seat depth. My Amia is so-so for me, personally I would like a little more depth. How does the Gesture compare to the Amia in regards to seat depth? Your help is appreciated, thank you!
Hey! So in terms of seat depth, I’m getting the same measurements between the 2 chairs. Do you have the seat depth adjustment option on your Amia?
do the arms go completely upwards, like 90 degrees? like a chair with flip back arms
No it does not :(
@Ahnestly Help please I'm 6'4" 250lbs and need a new chair. I also have back problems and Im looking for a new chair that will help my back what do you suggest? Dont care about price
I’m in the same boat at 6’5 290lbs with back and neck issues and both lumbar and neck fusions. I sat in the X-chair X3 w/ headrest (mesh is better than X2) and it was amazing. I have appointments to try the HM Aeron C, Embody and Steelcase Gesture w/ headrest. If Aeron feels right I will be getting the Atlas headrest. I will make a decision after I can compare all of these. Good luck!
@@djswoll atlas is coming out with a head rest for the embody too
@@J0k3r082 yes hopefully soon. Especially if I like the fit and feel of the Embody.
Yeah i would say go to a store and check out the Aeron "C" chair and the Embody. Those are still my favorite chair recommendations. If you watch my video, The Blind Guys, you'll see what Yong, the tallest one, picks.
@@djswoll Did you end up picking a chair?
Thank you for this detailed review, you are the best! I so appreciate your knowledge, honesty, and personal experience which gives me a better baseline to work from as I consider my next chair (soon I hope- :).)
I misplaced your channel for some months but it won't happen again, I am subscribed now. and will be watching for new content.
Thanks again! Absolute best!
Nice!!
Is there any kind of aftermarket headrest for the gesture? I love the chair, but a headrest would make it perfect.
The headrest, even with the re-engineered mount, is wobbly after only 3 weeks. It's not holding my head and I have not been abusing it. It's really sad. I wanted to like it. This chair is too rigid though tbh. It's more rigid than Leap in a bad way.
Great review as always :)
How about for short people? I’m slightly below 5 ft
Hi! I really wouldn't recommend it for shorter folks. I think the lumbar support sits a bit funny! Check out my Steelcase Amia review - I think that would be a much better choice!
Being 6 foot 7 I couldn't find a chair at ALL! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
Hope this helps!!
me either. what chair are you having right now? i feel like most chairs ive tried from HM SC Haworth etc. all have a backrest that curves back too early. With leap's lumbar all the way down, I feel I can relieve my shoulder blades a little bit.
Did you get the gesture? Also 6'7" and its on my list.
@@zkmoonea Which chair did you get? I'm 6'8 and unfortunately cannot find anything fits to me.
@@emrekilic4099 have a sit in a Gesture. Make sure it is the version without a headrest. the back from the normal Gesture(headrest-less) feels different. depends on your torso length, not your height, you might like ergohuman chairs that typically have a movable backrest that you can rise up and down to fit your back.
Yeah unfortunately this chair didn't work out for me. I have a very specific back pain problem and no matter what I did, I could not get this chair to relieve my pain. It actually almost made my pain worse haha. Oh well, the chair search continues.
hope yuo find something!!
Had this with the Mirra 2 but didn't return it in time. Damn it 🤦
I'd love to know your thoughts on the Series 1. It's more in my price range compared to the other Steelcase chairs.
Steelcase never got back to me unfortunately :-(
Hint: Don’t sit in the Series 1 after sitting in the Gesture, Leap, Amia and Series 2. Then it seems like a wooden bench! Still a nice chair, though, just missing a few features of the Series 2.
Im 170 but much slimmer than you, and the aeron B seatpan is not that comfy for me. So i was looking into the embody and the gesture itself, because the seat seems more of a safe choice, and the armrests are incredible. If it's more targeted to tall people i wont consider it, then :( expecially in europe, i dont see a lot of trustable alternatives to the aeron, regardless of the budget. Will try the embody next month tho, is it good for short people? thx
Check out my review of the embody!
th-cam.com/video/GgdsxxO88oQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Ahnestly already did, gonna try that in person as well. Hope it's more comfortable on tha hamstrings. My right leg is 100% fine on the aeron, the left not do. Problem could also be my previous sitting position, as i used to sit with my left leg bent and garbage like that for years
You should watch how BTOD unboxes Steelcase chairs.
I saw that!!! It's so weird - there's no marking on the box for it! I just got the gaming Embody in for review and their box DOES state you should cut it that way!! Omg...i'm having PTSD thinking of how i unloaded and reloaded that chair in the shipping box. Felt like I was wrestling someone...
Just got the full spec gesture with headrest and I'm 5 foot 7 and absolutely love it, most comfy chair ive ever sat in
Nice!!! Glad you like it!!
@@Ahnestly Already got thermal paste stains on it LOL, any advice on cleaning the fabric without damaging it?
Please do a video Embody vs Gesture as they seem to be similar
For me, I found the lumbar of the Embody to more aggressive than then Gesture. I use the Gesture and am around 5’6
There are some people who take out the lumbar or set it to the lowest if your not a fan of the lumbar
Interesting...I don't find the embody's lumbar aggressive. Although you have to sit in the Embody in a certain way that makes it seem more aggressive. I had to send my Gesture back, so won't be able to make a video on it, but maybe once the Embody gets a headrest, I can do a comparison then!
@@Ahnestly I really want to love my embody but I just can’t get the back rest configuration right. What settings you do use for your embody?
Do you sit all the way back in the Embody? I find there a bulge that just pushes against my spine when I sit all the way back so I have to move my butt abit forward so that there’s a gap between the backrest which puts me a more recline position. I’ll keep giving it some more tries…
I’m always curious why people say the Gesture has aggressive lumbar when if anything, the Leap V2 has a more ‘hollow’ sitting experience and adjustable depth lumbar which I feel is more aggressive. The lumbar on the gesture to me is almost non existence lol
@@DanneoYT In the same boat as you man, have things gotten better? That spot just keeps digging into my tailbone, I have to take a break for like a week until I can heal
Great review as always! I'm 6'3" and was thinking about getting this chair, until you mentioned it's for people who don't get hot (live in Hawaii with no AC). Guess I'll search for an Aeron size C
That's a good point. Also, you live in Hawaii and I'm super jealous.
I have a gesture and have tried the Size c aeron. I recommend the aeron as coming from a different mesh, the breathability and comfort is all there
best choice
Dang, I missed the code by a few days. Any way you can get another 10% off code for Steelcase?
Damn it. I went to the steelcase site today and it's $1650 now with the headrest. So this used to be 1350 a year ago? Ugh..
Inflation + supply chain is bad these days!
this model in my country (switzerland) costs 2450 USD
This is my favourite chair I've ever tried so far but the price is also uhhhh, .... really nice 😂
Lumbar is optional and the chair is a lot better without it. I think it was included just due to the marketing gimmick of it, but the chair will naturally support your lumbar that the additional piece of plastic isn't necessary.
Not true. Some people (taller, leaner especially) need the extra lumbar support. I tried both and without it I get back pain, it’s too straight, with it - simply the best chair in the world. We truly are all unique.
Perfect response
How do you feel about this chair for under 5'5"?
Don't think it's in the cards man. Watch my latest video. Should help you pick!
great review im 1M73 i still dont kno which one to buy, Gesture or herman miller
can u give me your impression by this 2 models? thanks
I don't know what 1M73 means...
@@Ahnestly 173cm
I like to fart in new chairs
This.
What do you do with these chairs when you're done with them?
Hoard. lol jk it really depends - I sell some, but for the ones I know I def want to feature again, I keep!
@@Ahnestly Noice! I'm still looking! I was the dude who hit you up on IG for a chair that could hold up to 500 lbs. Losing the weight instead 🤣 Seems the smarter decision
!!!! That’s absolutely incredible!!! Rooting for you!!!!
@@Ahnestly Appreciate it!!
Im like 5'5 is the gusture a good option for me? 🤔
It's not terrible, but would recommend the Amia instead!
I am 195cm tall (6foot 5 i think) and i am looking to buy a gesture or a HM Embody. Which of them is the best considered that the steelcase warranty i dropped to 5 years?
Steelcase only dropped to 5 years in UK I think? I'm an Embody fan, esp now that it has a headrest, but I think the Gesture's back sits in a more neutral position whereas the Embody top most part of the back turned in a little, which bothered some taller folks. I don't think you can go wrong with either one! Check the return policies and if it's free return, get both and return the one you don't like!
If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly I would considere your links, but im from Germany and cannot use them to buy. They dropped the support to 5 Years unfortunatly here aswell last year.
But you are right i should get both and test both if possible. I should read the policies from atlas aswell, maybe i can test the embody headrest to compare it against the gesture
@@tillneumann3293 I don't believe the Atlas headrest has free returns, but yes! if you're able to test the chairs, then test them first! The headrest will only make things better!!
Was planning to buy this but this video pretty much convinced me not to. I sit up straight and prefer a less aggressive lumbar support, what chair would you recommend instead of this?
Check out my video on the Aeron or on the secret lab Neue!
@@Ahnestly thanks for replying, prob gon buy the neue
Please use my link if you decide to! Helps this channel a lot!
Is this better than the secret lab neue?
Great question - I'm going to say you should probably choose this over the Neue, even though I love SOOO much about the Neue, the warranty on the Gesture can't be beat!
When are you going to release your Haworth fern review?
Going to be a bit. Still don't have an ETA. They told me they're trying to align it with getting their Amazon shop up,
Hi has anybody seen the HM Embody review from Artesian builds ? It’s a very negative review of the chair which I find really strange because all reviews that I’ve found are either super positive or lining towards positive. Plus I sat on the chair in a showroom and found it really awesome, it was just for a few minutes though before ordering it….4-8 weeks delivery time. This review has made me a bit concerned. Anybody care to share pls their honest opinion. Im 186cm 99kg. I returned the steelcase gesture btw because it gave me back pain after 10 days of 8+ hours of usage plus it felt really stiff.
I'm 6'5 and am returning my Embody. The deal breaker for me was the rounded shoulders it forces. Also, my seat was defective and was poking my butt. The showroom Embodys feel great because the chair has been broken in for years. It's weird, but Embodys get better over time.
I got one without headrest, any 3rd party options?
I don't think so...this one is pretty integrated as far as I can tell!
which color is that? I don't seem to find this particular color on their website, thanks a bunch!
Upholstery Color: Era - Saffron (5ER7)
Color Scheme for Frame: Platinum Metallic Frame with Seagull Seat/Back, Merle arms (Light/Light)
Hope this helps!
@@Ahnestly It actually did! The color does exist on their website but it looks SUPER red in the picture, and "live" on your video it looks like some nice orange accent, that's why I couldn't "find" that color : )
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
p.s. waiting for an update for the embody atlas headrest : )
How good is the forward tilt? I really need a good chair with forward tilt.
There is no forward tilt in this chair
Website says -5.2 degrees hmm. Maybe it is just the flexible cushion?
6'5" looking for a chair that fits me
This one might not be a bad idea. I've also got some guys in the 6'4 range telling me the HM Embody has been solid for them and a company is making a headrest for it. Check out my latest video!
@@Ahnestly okay thanks
It would be interesting to know how tall you are two in order to figure out what you mean with shorter people. I am 5.9.
I think I mentioned it a couple times throughout the video and included the heights for the people who i think would find it comfortable! But easy to miss it since the video is so long! I'm 5'6! I think people 5'8 and taller would find it comfortable - check out my other channel The Blind Guys for further verification of my analysis th-cam.com/video/JsjoaXXkdg4/w-d-xo.html
Is this the Scarlet color?
It's called the Era - Saffron (5ER7).
BRO WE NEED A CLEAN MESH CHAİR VİDEO ASAP.
For an average height person (5'9"), which chair do you recommend with a headrest? I tried Gesture and find it is great when I recline but it pushes my head forward when I sit upright. Turning is headrest back will still allow it to hit my head.
I'd say try out the Aeron or embody if you can afford the gesture. Free returns if you don't like it and you can watch my reviews if you have questions! Please consider using my link to purchase!
@@Ahnestly Thank you very much. I have been watching various reviews on those chairs. It seems that with most of the stuffs very good, there are one main concern for each chair. Aeron has a mesh seat which seems to be uncomfortable in general compared to foam seat, and reclining will raise the seat pan which makes things worse. I personally don't have experience on mesh chairs and don't know whether I will like it, but I don't like raising the seat pan when reclining. For embody, the armrest is not so adjustable and is too forward when is at the same level of the desk. I need to use armrest at the desk level since my should is not so good.
May I know which one do you think is less of a concern or easier to mitigate? In particular, how forward is the armrest of Embody at desk level compared to Gesture (which I suppose is already a bit forward compared to Aeron and Leap)? Thank you very much.
Hm i don’t find any of those things you mentioned to be issues for me personally. I’d say the embody arms are definitely not that far forward and might be the easier one to mitigate?
@@Ahnestly Thank you very much. Do you find it comfortable to type when raise at the desk level? I have seen video here saying that he have to stuck it under the desk. th-cam.com/video/avWG8Zl27VQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Ahnestly By the way, how about the headrest on Leap? Does it also push head forward when upright?
Hey, my only problem with Gesture is that the seat foam is too thin for me as it makes my butt after sitting on it for a while. Do you have any suggestion for that?
That's really interesting. We didn't notice that in our testing...maybe a seat cushion?
@@Ahnestly yeah. I’m thinking of getting one. But maybe my body is still making some adjustment from that soft cushion cheap office chair. Thank you!
Is this the Saffron color of Era fabric? Been considering getting the Gesture in this color.
It's called "Era - Saffron (5ER7)"
@@Ahnestly Awesome, thank you.