Seems like some people dont listen to what I say in the video: "It is obviously not Darren but someone using his name" is what I think. Name of person is not important but the whole cheating problem is the problem ❤
It's possible to repack the car config files and you can add more hp to the car. I personally do this in ACC. Tuning a car without using external software cannot be considered cheating.
Remember people, always race for yourself and your own enjoyment. Don't get too hung up on who beat you and if he's cheating or not or you might go crazy. I'd rather be honest and slow and proud of it instead of being some bozo that decided to win unfairly.
Of course I like racing and did it for my enjoyment, however for me personally the most enjoying part of simracing is trying to compete on the highest level. One of the main reasons I stopped is the cheating saga. The one guy that was cheating in SRO made me question the entire competition and that just completely demotivated me. (Not to mention that the guy who cheated confirmed that there were others on the highest level doing it too if I recall correctly)
@@mr.vanommen9744 yeah exactly what I meant, it makes you question everything. Best to enjoy as much as possible but I do understand cheating makes it hard to enjoy, specially in competitive level. In the perfect world we would get an anti cheat but it's kunos simulazioni world 😂
What’s scary are the people cheating to gain just 0.05% of grip or find a tenth or two. If you’re a good driver and then find a cheat and use it, you become almost unbeatable. It’s really put me off LFM ACC recently after Orlow got banned after I raced against that dude and worked my ass off to find where the time was. Ugh.
I don't understand how you can feel satisfied with cheating the game? no feeling of guilt or anything? I also did sim racing, I was never the best but I wasn't trailing in the field either, it's a shame that there are such people, I hope they find something to filter out such people.
They even cheating in games like Fall Guys, and they're happy when they win because their bean became "immortal" in a game for 10 year old kids... The world is sick.
Because the steamid can be traced back to other data about the user, any publishing of the ID would be a direct violation on UK GDPR (British version) and GDPR (European version). LFM can use it to ban users on their platform, but publishing the ID's would mean the service being shutdown by ICO.
Cheating and cheaters suck. It's a narcissistic way of making themselves happy by making others miserable. It's not even about being the fastest or getting better.... They want to cheat and will continue their whole life.
That racing leagues requiring a face cam.. yeah.. it can have serious repercussions if you're caught cheating: Daniel Abt lost his Formula E seat when during the pandemic, they hosted simraces with all the Formula E drivers and he was caught cheating...
@Jardier cheating isn't about winning, it's about not wanting to lose. It comes from a person having low self esteem and low self worth. Think about it, we say "work harder, improve your skills", but they think "I can't win, the game isn't fair". Why would someone put hard work into improving themselves if they think that they are worthless?
There are many motives for it. Biggest motive is money. People use cheats to boost accounts, which they will sell later on. Then there is the motive you mentioned. One of the least known motives is government pr/propaganda. I know that China and Russia have both had state organized esports teams, which were utilizing custom cheats to win competitors. Funny thing was that they were actually so bad that some times they managed to lose even with aimbot and wh or with sophisticated macros in League of Legends.
The thing is: The deeper you dive into the whole cheating issue, the more you realise how nontrivial counter measures are. Cheating happens on so many levels, be it input controls manipulation (to achieve features like TC where it isn't allowed), tampering game files or manipulating the memory data. To everything and everyone outside the cheater's computer it's a black box and all they can detect are the symptoms, not the causes. So, every one who plays WRC 23 knows how drastic anticheat has to be to work properly: It needs to work with kernel privileges, and people hate EA for that. Because here's another problems: Us gamers. We all yell "We want anticheat", but the least of us are willing to live with its consequences. I don't feel too well with game software running on kernel level either, but the more you think about it the more you get to the conclusion there's not really a way around that. Good for me: I don't play ACC competitively by any means - read: I'm too slow - and so far, cheaters have been way less of a problem to me than rammers and wreckers.
Hey mate I don't know much about this. But what's kernel privileges? Is it something allowing the anticheat to go deep into your PC to check if there are cheat mods and so on?
@@florianlacroix1832 simply put, programs running with kernel privileges have the highest access level to your computer. This is (obviously) necessary to detect any manipulation but also a threat in case this software gets compromised and acts malicious.
@@florianlacroix1832runs deep in your system..same level as os files itself...if anything goes wrong it could cause serious problems(for example if there are vulnerabilities in the anti cheat hackers could gain access deep in your computer, random bluescreens, etc) its a constant battle cuz cheats are going deeper thus anticheats going deeper and more intrusive
I always laugh when I mention chests in sim racing still. And people swear up and down there has never been a single Chester in sim racing. “I’m just bad” 😂
I am beginning to think that the manufacturers (Kunos, Studio 297, Iracing) have a duty. They always say that anticheater software is so expensive. But they earn so much from us simracers that I'm beginning to see it as their duty to develop decent cheater software. Thank you Jardier for this video. You are absolutely right!
I think cheaters tend to be younger and want to treat ACC like an arcade racer. Others like data mining and testing. The problem happens when you are on a dedicated competition server and they bring their hot mess over.
It is important that people talk about this and are aware of it. Also when developers ask what new things people would want to see, it would be nice if instead of new skins people would request improvements in anti-cheat.
I was in the lobby, I asked him in the chat to reach the maximum speed, he got 420km, I have a replay of that, it's funny to see the car literally flipping over in the curves but it's sad to see that he was trying to defame Darren King's name and making fun him in chat
Back in the day in GTR2, people using speed hacks were doing it deliberately to ram and send other outside the track bounds, ensuring their race was over. Looks like this guy has at least better manners..
It is a never-ending evil... it happens in ACC, it happens in other games and sadly it is an almost impossible struggle like telling the thief not to steal again... and this bad practice is killing the games, because not even the consoles Save, cheats already exist on consoles. Hopefully one day soon we will see a solution to this.
I simply enjoy racing. I’m fully aware that I will never be a professional. It has never crossed my mind to cheat-it would feel like lying to myself, and on top of that, I would ruin others' fun as well. However, cheaters are partly the reason why I don't even try to race online. :/
It's always been clear for ACC that there was cheaters. There was too many 1% racers that were insane speed compared to all the other sims i've played and league raced in, ACC must have magically gotten the cream of the crop for the game because all the leagues have way too many 'aliens'. There is no way i can prove it ofcourse but if you have been simracing competitively for over decade you catch wind of these things fairly quickly. And this is obviously because of all simracing devs not caring about anticheat. It is even worse knowing a lot of this competitions in ACC had prizepools at the end of them. 0.2% grip or power won't be noticed by 99% of people and it is way too accesible for some people to not do it.
You know what sad is? When you alter game files to have advantage and you still finish p15, because you don't know principles... But you are right, J. Now on LFM on top split lobbies when I see Quali times 2 tenths off world record from P1-P10 I start questioning... It;s NEVER they are just faster than me anymore :(
Oh man, you brought up such a touchy subject. I completely share your hatred of cheaters. I believe that there should be some official body that detects cheaters and bans them for life. At the same time, such a ban will not allow them to spoil the lives of others, even in the case of creating new accounts.
For me personally I’m not an overly competitive person in sim racing. I do endurance leagues and I’m usually mid to lower end of the field but I just have the mindset of not caring if someone is cheating as it doesn’t fully impact my experience but I can’t understand if others hate it. I do believe that anti-cheating is necessary in a competitive scene especially if there are events with prizes involved.
Totally agree, Jardier. Also, what fun is there in cheating? I'm not the fastest but I enjoy a battle anywhere in the pack. Surely, in those cases where a car is going faster than is possible, the devs can auto ban them.
I dont know any local friends that i can race with that still believe in clean racing. I enjoy watching you and your"crowd" plus the equipment reviews are very helpful
I used to watch a warzone streamer & he actually got a cheater into voice chat with him & he asked why they cheat & they just said it’s fun, makes them laugh, not to win, just for fun & basically piss everyone else off
It's really a pity that cheating found the way to the ACC racing series. I mean ok there always where cheater in public lobbys, if think it's really hard for the developers of a game to avoid this. But what makes me really sad is, that all the newcomers in ACC has to prove that they're not cheating if they're is fast. And also it's really sad as a newcomer to find his own point of view to get better. Cheating is a big problem atm i hope something changes.
It’s wild this has been a topic for years now. Iv watched a lot of people whose cars are on rails and just assume I’m extra slow. But that little thought is always in my mind.
Today are cheaters , modders, everywhere, specially in multiplayer games, simulators, etc. But it’s a shame for the game developers who can’t protect their game code for this kind of no skill people in the games but a pros to cheat the game, simulator, etc. In 1985 there was no cheating, today is in all multiplayer games .
The only people who cheat are the ones who can't do well on their own, no matter the game/sim! I used to play COD, but I won't anymore because it is inundated with cheaters.
I’m with you I absolutely hate cheaters in anything. Personally I put it down to a sense of entitlement. There are a lot of people these days that think that they should have anything they want without having to put the work in to get it.
I am 40 and I never cheated in any game in my life because how would you enjoy something competive if you know you have a major advantage? Now thanks to this video, since its release people started calling me I am cheating just because I am fast. I race in public lobbies as I have a kid and not much time for serious LFM lately. I usually do quali in a public lobby, if nobody is close to my time I just start last and have my fun like that. But now almost 90% of races people started calling me cheater. Jardier you shoulsnt be saying things like this as honest and fast people are getting called cheaters because of you. I dont deserve this shit mate!
I learned back in the Sega Master System days cheating in games was only screwing yourself... I cheated my way through a game, and finished it, lost the desire to play it again and realised i rorted myself out of the purchase price of the game at the end of the day...
It's so bizarre trying to understand the point of screaming "Look at me! I'm bad at videogames and i want everyone know that!" Seems a bit counterproductive
Thank you for just talking the way we all talk. The F bombs just make you one of us type thing. It's nice to have someone not censor themselves on TH-cam. Thanks for being real.
That's why I recently switched to R3E. While the other Devs are constantly improving their sims in every possible way, ACC feels like forgotten / dead. Excuses about AC Evo won't make things any better😢
Its sad. Public Lobbies in ACC are fucked these days. Yesterday i drove on Spa against one Cheater. He hitted like not a single Line, jumped over bumbs and stuff but still was 7 seconds quicker then the second place (me). Its frustrating. Especially because I'm just starting to get really fast and learn a lot.
I speak as someone who frequently races in public lobbies; A game that cannot even penalize backmarkers who crash around just for fun can never penalize hackers. Also, I'm surprised that the cheater issue was brought up so late by you bro. Some hackers even mocks people who warns them in the chat by knowing nothing would happen to them. I have left ACC completely and been racing in AC1 for 1 year and I am definitely a happier person. At least I’m not losing any hard earned safety points.
If replay saved inputs and had option to replicate inputs within the physics for comparison while also being able to replicate the replay as iss the "comparison" would spot a cheater even if it was +0.5% grip or less, it would be spotted on the comparison (or if replay had a ghost replicating the inputs while keeping the replay intact, this would leave no room for error if someone was cheating or not and replay woujld also require car setup, tyre wear and damages to be replicated too). It would be a "no doubt" if someone was cheating or not but I dont think any replay system work like that
The telemetry is in the replay file. If you bring up the HUD you can see throttle, brake, and steering input. We just need a better way to see it in more detail. Applying it to another car might be tricky.
@@iVTECInside Yes we have telemetry but it is possible to notice if it is "stupid cheat" such as the one at the video, but if it is a slight 0.5% or 1% gain it is way harder to notice. If game records telemetry (what it does) but replicate the physics with its inputs on a ghost then the ghost would not deliver the same results for the same inputs (so the player car would be ahead of the ghost despite using exactly the same inputs and it would result in a total disconnection between ghost and player that would only become more severe as a lap goes on and even bigger from lap to lap (to the point a ghost would be crashing or spinning somewhere while the player would not be).
That is sad to hear this is going on in current SIM racing games. If this is happening in ACC, then probably other popular SIM racing games may have the same problems. Myself, I do not do online racing anymore. Haven't done competition racing for a long time, i miss the racing, but just don't have the time. Anyway, Good luck to anyone solving the online cheating problems.
at first-great video jadier and thx 4 ur work. since the first video came out about acc and cheating, more and more cheater videos are popping up... where does this come from? why wasn't this spread to the masses earlier? Is this perhaps just a reason to leave acc without upsetting the community?
One thing to keep in mind about having an anti-cheat is Usually cheats have a decent impact on the performance of the application. That would mean fewer fps and stuttering for some users. Of course, depends on each application. The more resources that normally require an application, the higher the chance of having these issues. ACC is also made with Unreal, which is a highly moddable engine making it easier to cheat.
This is the reason we have random motec supply in the league i race with top 3 garunteed with 2 other random place getters. We've been clean of late however we did have one endurance team banned from the league for it
Have you checked what Kirill is doing after he got banned? Long story short - he developed his own cheat engine. Also there are some rumors he worked or is still working with NB Setups (you know the guys who didn't set Ford Mustang record lap in a LFM BOP server, but did it on their private one). Ah yes.. and weirdly enough they did an BMW record time on Nords on LFMHL server. So now BMW on Nords has +32kg while Ford has +7kg :D
In this year we have got an example of cheating in Italian community, after the finish of the ACI (Italian federal Championship), where a driver and also his teammates became aliens drivers for 3-4 months. The results? The team don't exist anymore, and these drivers have changed game because they were banned from all Italians community, but they won the title 🤙
Hang in there buddy. We have seen this problem before with other games. Third party anti cheat software could be the answer to this. Hopefully ACC2 has some protection or perhaps plans to solve this issue.
What if like at least few people at LFM Pro would be cheating, but they using it to gain like 0,2s per lap and they are good at hiding it? That is the issue. How can we be sure if someone is cheating or not, not including very obvious ridiculous things?
You can't be sure. The fastest 0,1% of players are going to be your best anti-cheat - if they find it really sus, it probably is cheats or atleast bug abuse.
That Orlow guy cheated for ages, he would be half a second faster than the top esports guys and no one cared because he only raced M2 and GT4s. I don't doubt theres a couple guys on esports doing shady stuff
@@sp33dou The fastest players can't be used as anti-cheat also, in instance If someone is 0.3s slower they just adjust it to be competitive at the top and not be suspicious.
When I first started Sim racing I thought that people wanted a realistic experience. But what can you do nowadays it's all about fake it till you make it, you don't have to have skills and integrity, just look like you have it. There is no empathy only your ego!!!
It's because they aren't good at it and they know they'll never be good. But being that obvious is just pathetic. Taking away from good drivers. He mad.
Jardier, even if it is for money, there is no justification or attempt to understand the usage of something that gives you an advantage that no one else has, period. Cheating is cheating, end of story
Getting the feeling that many players have found out about how to cheat as I'm always in bottom at public and 1 year ago i was in top split, might be players generally getting faster and I'm not 😂 but it feels different in a way at public this days
hi jardier this great video but i have to say i am done with ACC this is why i have gone to iracing but i will be looking at AC EVO BTW grate racing the other day in the renault clio you are doing so well thats what i call real racing keep up the good work and racing
Im almost 60 and haven't sim raced ever (unless you include playstation 1 a long time ago and that wasent online ) I have just now started to get into sim racing and agree with you ,I hate cheaters in all walks of life 🤬,so the race organisers should ban them immediately if its possible . Trouble is these idiots keep changing there profiles ? Gave you a subscription and look forward to catching up on your past content .Greetings from latvia....Harry
Omg I was in this lobby.!! I remember seeing this guy blitzing past us all the time. He was so annoying. Caused so many accidents. I'm 707. This was a pub lobby. He didn't even finish the game. He just quit to pits
Why do people even feel the need to cheat in ACC in the first place? Why not just mod your car in the original AC to go 300,000 mph and pat yourself on the back
They are anti- gravity Alien Reproduction Vehicles in Disguise!!😂😂😂 I feel ya about cheaters..back in the day I played a game called Soldier of Fortune.. and Soldier of Fortune 2. Wall hacking and other things became so rampant they finally developed an anti cheat system. Not that some didn’t find a way around that but cheating ruins it for the rest of us.
What I hate with anti-cheat mechanics in sim racing are those sims like Raceroom that say "this lap and the next one invalidated" if you make a mistake 1 or 2 corners from the end of the lap. A mistake that in no way advantages your next lap - sometimes quite the opposite. Invalidating the next lap is annoying as f. I get why but they need to fix it so that if you go off and are slowing, it should NOT invalidate your next one.
- This has nothing to do with the subject of the video, we are talking software cheating like getting more power or grip, not just cutting the track - If you invalidate by going wide on the last corner, you have more speed whan you should be able to, to start the next lap, so it is very logical that it invalidates the next lap
It destroys games. Counter Strike 2 was supposed to move their esports to the internal ingame ladder but it is impossible as only cheaters are on the top. Also it destroys the credibility of all the big events that are pulling an audience and it is worse than doping. Doping makes sports easier but still you need to invest your whole life to win, cheating in games you can do with zero skill. It is a blight on all forms of gaming and it should become illegal.
The problem with anticheats is that no matter how good the anticheat is, there will be cheaters regardless. It's in every game, be it shooters, MOBAs or anything else. Yes, they might get banned eventually, but the damage is already done and there will be new cheats soon, anyway. Besides, a good anticheat is very expensive to develop. Cheaters will be just one step ahead every time no matter what.
What I hate about cheating is that the cheater is a human given the same skills and same capabilities as every other human, yet you decide to take the shortcut instead of practicing and improving yourself. Cheating for me removes the complete sense of accomplishment, the joy and everything…. it just sucks.
im part of a discord group and some one linked to new cheats for ACC that cost $100 and gives you cruse control, double car speed and 100% grip, seems like last 6 to 12months new cheats have been coming out for ACC, so might be time for them to add some kind of anti cheat
I totally agree. If people are cheating like that it just shows what sort of person they are, and its sad. Sim racing is all about the competition and that's why its so much fun. The people that cheat are very sad inside 😢😅.
for those people, cheating is not about "winning"... is mostly about ruining the experience for everyone else... they are bad at a game, so for their fragile ego nobody else can be good.. nobody else can feel good by achieving something that person wold literally never achieve!
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Seems like some people dont listen to what I say in the video: "It is obviously not Darren but someone using his name" is what I think. Name of person is not important but the whole cheating problem is the problem ❤
LOL you are funny. Expecting people to watch the entire video or at least to the end of your point before posting a comment. Good luck with that 🤣
@@5Komma5 its literally right at the beginning of the video being said? :D hello?
@@5Komma5 My english is basic and I heard him say it is someone using his name, and he said it at the beginning. Also, about the real problem
That is why I have little interest in ranked races but love to race. My equipment is 12 yrs old😅, but still works good for me.
Like men winning in women's sports . Furkin losers!
Woooooow, hold the accusations, mate. I think he just have a better gaming chair with RGB.
Just pressing the pedal harder... :D
Or a trick rear wing like McLaren.
@@samiraperi467 You know Mercedes had it, too, Yes? Both removed it.
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@@Jardier You're not double clutching like you should.
You also need to downshift when at top speed to unlock the extra power.
Nobody is driving the jaguar. Maybe nobody has yet detected, how fast this machine is. 😂
New meta setup unlocked on Jaguar 😂
probably has W16 and a better aero that was made by nasa
I drive the jaguar and i am not fast, certainly not because of the car haha
It's possible to repack the car config files and you can add more hp to the car. I personally do this in ACC. Tuning a car without using external software cannot be considered cheating.
@@Bo-ed1hz You know something is wrong when the jaguar is winning in ACC 💀
It's ok, because he's got a Jaaaaag
beat me to it hahaha.... now I wanna go to a pub lobby.... in my Jaaaaag.
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Speed and power!
Remember people, always race for yourself and your own enjoyment. Don't get too hung up on who beat you and if he's cheating or not or you might go crazy. I'd rather be honest and slow and proud of it instead of being some bozo that decided to win unfairly.
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Of course I like racing and did it for my enjoyment, however for me personally the most enjoying part of simracing is trying to compete on the highest level. One of the main reasons I stopped is the cheating saga. The one guy that was cheating in SRO made me question the entire competition and that just completely demotivated me. (Not to mention that the guy who cheated confirmed that there were others on the highest level doing it too if I recall correctly)
@@mr.vanommen9744 yeah exactly what I meant, it makes you question everything. Best to enjoy as much as possible but I do understand cheating makes it hard to enjoy, specially in competitive level. In the perfect world we would get an anti cheat but it's kunos simulazioni world 😂
What a wise word from @LeonEhe... I'm blown away.
@@vitiakaniowski amazing comment!
What’s scary are the people cheating to gain just 0.05% of grip or find a tenth or two. If you’re a good driver and then find a cheat and use it, you become almost unbeatable. It’s really put me off LFM ACC recently after Orlow got banned after I raced against that dude and worked my ass off to find where the time was. Ugh.
Cheaters are just people who doesent have any skills in real life and they get a 2min happyboost when they win a game (without skills)
I don't understand how you can feel satisfied with cheating the game? no feeling of guilt or anything? I also did sim racing, I was never the best but I wasn't trailing in the field either, it's a shame that there are such people, I hope they find something to filter out such people.
They even cheating in games like Fall Guys, and they're happy when they win because their bean became "immortal" in a game for 10 year old kids... The world is sick.
Insane that there are competitive games in 2024 with no anticheat 😭😭😭
LFM could publish banned steamId list. It could be a huge reference base :)
Ohhhhh that would be actually mega, like a public list!
the sad thing is that doing so is prob against GDPR
Because the steamid can be traced back to other data about the user, any publishing of the ID would be a direct violation on UK GDPR (British version) and GDPR (European version). LFM can use it to ban users on their platform, but publishing the ID's would mean the service being shutdown by ICO.
Lfm dont care as long bots doing there work there
they should ban them from accessing online and let those kids play offline
Cheating and cheaters suck. It's a narcissistic way of making themselves happy by making others miserable. It's not even about being the fastest or getting better.... They want to cheat and will continue their whole life.
I love that WELL SAID
That racing leagues requiring a face cam.. yeah.. it can have serious repercussions if you're caught cheating: Daniel Abt lost his Formula E seat when during the pandemic, they hosted simraces with all the Formula E drivers and he was caught cheating...
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The cheaters are always win but they are the biggest losers.
@Jardier cheating isn't about winning, it's about not wanting to lose. It comes from a person having low self esteem and low self worth. Think about it, we say "work harder, improve your skills", but they think "I can't win, the game isn't fair". Why would someone put hard work into improving themselves if they think that they are worthless?
There are many motives for it. Biggest motive is money. People use cheats to boost accounts, which they will sell later on. Then there is the motive you mentioned. One of the least known motives is government pr/propaganda. I know that China and Russia have both had state organized esports teams, which were utilizing custom cheats to win competitors. Funny thing was that they were actually so bad that some times they managed to lose even with aimbot and wh or with sophisticated macros in League of Legends.
The thing is: The deeper you dive into the whole cheating issue, the more you realise how nontrivial counter measures are. Cheating happens on so many levels, be it input controls manipulation (to achieve features like TC where it isn't allowed), tampering game files or manipulating the memory data. To everything and everyone outside the cheater's computer it's a black box and all they can detect are the symptoms, not the causes.
So, every one who plays WRC 23 knows how drastic anticheat has to be to work properly: It needs to work with kernel privileges, and people hate EA for that. Because here's another problems: Us gamers. We all yell "We want anticheat", but the least of us are willing to live with its consequences.
I don't feel too well with game software running on kernel level either, but the more you think about it the more you get to the conclusion there's not really a way around that.
Good for me: I don't play ACC competitively by any means - read: I'm too slow - and so far, cheaters have been way less of a problem to me than rammers and wreckers.
Hey mate I don't know much about this. But what's kernel privileges? Is it something allowing the anticheat to go deep into your PC to check if there are cheat mods and so on?
@@florianlacroix1832 simply put, programs running with kernel privileges have the highest access level to your computer. This is (obviously) necessary to detect any manipulation but also a threat in case this software gets compromised and acts malicious.
>and people hate EA for that
People hate EA's anticheat because it bricked the game.
@@florianlacroix1832runs deep in your system..same level as os files itself...if anything goes wrong it could cause serious problems(for example if there are vulnerabilities in the anti cheat hackers could gain access deep in your computer, random bluescreens, etc) its a constant battle cuz cheats are going deeper thus anticheats going deeper and more intrusive
@@Kani_ne oh okay I get that. Sounds like an endless debate haha
I always laugh when I mention chests in sim racing still. And people swear up and down there has never been a single Chester in sim racing. “I’m just bad” 😂
I am beginning to think that the manufacturers (Kunos, Studio 297, Iracing) have a duty. They always say that anticheater software is so expensive. But they earn so much from us simracers that I'm beginning to see it as their duty to develop decent cheater software.
Thank you Jardier for this video. You are absolutely right!
I think cheaters tend to be younger and want to treat ACC like an arcade racer. Others like data mining and testing. The problem happens when you are on a dedicated competition server and they bring their hot mess over.
It is important that people talk about this and are aware of it. Also when developers ask what new things people would want to see, it would be nice if instead of new skins people would request improvements in anti-cheat.
One thing is for sure ... We all know what work the mom does of these people who use cheats.
A GT car with afterburners on practically, jeezus that acceleration 😂😂
I was in the lobby, I asked him in the chat to reach the maximum speed, he got 420km, I have a replay of that, it's funny to see the car literally flipping over in the curves but it's sad to see that he was trying to defame Darren King's name and making fun him in chat
Back in the day in GTR2, people using speed hacks were doing it deliberately to ram and send other outside the track bounds, ensuring their race was over. Looks like this guy has at least better manners..
If he had only driven the Bentley, nobody would have been the wiser, lol.
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It is a never-ending evil... it happens in ACC, it happens in other games and sadly it is an almost impossible struggle like telling the thief not to steal again... and this bad practice is killing the games, because not even the consoles Save, cheats already exist on consoles.
Hopefully one day soon we will see a solution to this.
I simply enjoy racing. I’m fully aware that I will never be a professional. It has never crossed my mind to cheat-it would feel like lying to myself, and on top of that, I would ruin others' fun as well.
However, cheaters are partly the reason why I don't even try to race online. :/
It's always been clear for ACC that there was cheaters. There was too many 1% racers that were insane speed compared to all the other sims i've played and league raced in, ACC must have magically gotten the cream of the crop for the game because all the leagues have way too many 'aliens'. There is no way i can prove it ofcourse but if you have been simracing competitively for over decade you catch wind of these things fairly quickly. And this is obviously because of all simracing devs not caring about anticheat. It is even worse knowing a lot of this competitions in ACC had prizepools at the end of them. 0.2% grip or power won't be noticed by 99% of people and it is way too accesible for some people to not do it.
watch out jardier community will come after you
100% Agreed ✓
Like people in Forza playing on keyboard beating everybody and people even applauding
???
You know what sad is? When you alter game files to have advantage and you still finish p15, because you don't know principles... But you are right, J. Now on LFM on top split lobbies when I see Quali times 2 tenths off world record from P1-P10 I start questioning... It;s NEVER they are just faster than me anymore :(
Oh man, you brought up such a touchy subject. I completely share your hatred of cheaters. I believe that there should be some official body that detects cheaters and bans them for life. At the same time, such a ban will not allow them to spoil the lives of others, even in the case of creating new accounts.
For me personally I’m not an overly competitive person in sim racing. I do endurance leagues and I’m usually mid to lower end of the field but I just have the mindset of not caring if someone is cheating as it doesn’t fully impact my experience but I can’t understand if others hate it. I do believe that anti-cheating is necessary in a competitive scene especially if there are events with prizes involved.
Totally agree, Jardier. Also, what fun is there in cheating? I'm not the fastest but I enjoy a battle anywhere in the pack. Surely, in those cases where a car is going faster than is possible, the devs can auto ban them.
I dont know any local friends that i can race with that still believe in clean racing. I enjoy watching you and your"crowd" plus the equipment reviews are very helpful
I used to watch a warzone streamer & he actually got a cheater into voice chat with him & he asked why they cheat & they just said it’s fun, makes them laugh, not to win, just for fun & basically piss everyone else off
It's really a pity that cheating found the way to the ACC racing series. I mean ok there always where cheater in public lobbys, if think it's really hard for the developers of a game to avoid this.
But what makes me really sad is, that all the newcomers in ACC has to prove that they're not cheating if they're is fast. And also it's really sad as a newcomer to find his own point of view to get better.
Cheating is a big problem atm i hope something changes.
if you can't beat them, join them... it's a lose-lose situation for the honest players
It’s wild this has been a topic for years now. Iv watched a lot of people whose cars are on rails and just assume I’m extra slow. But that little thought is always in my mind.
Phew, I thought this was going to be about me when I got the notification..
😂
Today are cheaters , modders, everywhere, specially in multiplayer games, simulators, etc. But it’s a shame for the game developers who can’t protect their game code for this kind of no skill people in the games but a pros to cheat the game, simulator, etc. In 1985 there was no cheating, today is in all multiplayer games .
The only people who cheat are the ones who can't do well on their own, no matter the game/sim! I used to play COD, but I won't anymore because it is inundated with cheaters.
I’m with you I absolutely hate cheaters in anything.
Personally I put it down to a sense of entitlement. There are a lot of people these days that think that they should have anything they want without having to put the work in to get it.
I am 40 and I never cheated in any game in my life because how would you enjoy something competive if you know you have a major advantage? Now thanks to this video, since its release people started calling me I am cheating just because I am fast. I race in public lobbies as I have a kid and not much time for serious LFM lately. I usually do quali in a public lobby, if nobody is close to my time I just start last and have my fun like that. But now almost 90% of races people started calling me cheater. Jardier you shoulsnt be saying things like this as honest and fast people are getting called cheaters because of you. I dont deserve this shit mate!
I learned back in the Sega Master System days cheating in games was only screwing yourself... I cheated my way through a game, and finished it, lost the desire to play it again and realised i rorted myself out of the purchase price of the game at the end of the day...
It's so bizarre trying to understand the point of screaming "Look at me! I'm bad at videogames and i want everyone know that!"
Seems a bit counterproductive
Thank you for just talking the way we all talk. The F bombs just make you one of us type thing. It's nice to have someone not censor themselves on TH-cam. Thanks for being real.
That's why I recently switched to R3E. While the other Devs are constantly improving their sims in every possible way, ACC feels like forgotten / dead. Excuses about AC Evo won't make things any better😢
Its sad. Public Lobbies in ACC are fucked these days. Yesterday i drove on Spa against one Cheater. He hitted like not a single Line, jumped over bumbs and stuff but still was 7 seconds quicker then the second place (me). Its frustrating. Especially because I'm just starting to get really fast and learn a lot.
I speak as someone who frequently races in public lobbies; A game that cannot even penalize backmarkers who crash around just for fun can never penalize hackers. Also, I'm surprised that the cheater issue was brought up so late by you bro. Some hackers even mocks people who warns them in the chat by knowing nothing would happen to them. I have left ACC completely and been racing in AC1 for 1 year and I am definitely a happier person. At least I’m not losing any hard earned safety points.
If replay saved inputs and had option to replicate inputs within the physics for comparison while also being able to replicate the replay as iss the "comparison" would spot a cheater even if it was +0.5% grip or less, it would be spotted on the comparison (or if replay had a ghost replicating the inputs while keeping the replay intact, this would leave no room for error if someone was cheating or not and replay woujld also require car setup, tyre wear and damages to be replicated too).
It would be a "no doubt" if someone was cheating or not but I dont think any replay system work like that
The telemetry is in the replay file. If you bring up the HUD you can see throttle, brake, and steering input. We just need a better way to see it in more detail. Applying it to another car might be tricky.
@@iVTECInside Yes we have telemetry but it is possible to notice if it is "stupid cheat" such as the one at the video, but if it is a slight 0.5% or 1% gain it is way harder to notice. If game records telemetry (what it does) but replicate the physics with its inputs on a ghost then the ghost would not deliver the same results for the same inputs (so the player car would be ahead of the ghost despite using exactly the same inputs and it would result in a total disconnection between ghost and player that would only become more severe as a lap goes on and even bigger from lap to lap (to the point a ghost would be crashing or spinning somewhere while the player would not be).
Jardier always has that positive attitude and a smile. So refreshing to watch.
4:44 the cheater.
DEv: we need telemetry because we are not sure if he cheating.
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That is sad to hear this is going on in current SIM racing games. If this is happening in ACC, then probably other popular SIM racing games may have the same problems. Myself, I do not do online racing anymore. Haven't done competition racing for a long time, i miss the racing, but just don't have the time.
Anyway, Good luck to anyone solving the online cheating problems.
at first-great video jadier and thx 4 ur work.
since the first video came out about acc and cheating, more and more cheater videos are popping up... where does this come from? why wasn't this spread to the masses earlier? Is this perhaps just a reason to leave acc without upsetting the community?
One thing to keep in mind about having an anti-cheat is Usually cheats have a decent impact on the performance of the application. That would mean fewer fps and stuttering for some users. Of course, depends on each application. The more resources that normally require an application, the higher the chance of having these issues. ACC is also made with Unreal, which is a highly moddable engine making it easier to cheat.
This is the reason we have random motec supply in the league i race with top 3 garunteed with 2 other random place getters. We've been clean of late however we did have one endurance team banned from the league for it
Have you checked what Kirill is doing after he got banned? Long story short - he developed his own cheat engine.
Also there are some rumors he worked or is still working with NB Setups (you know the guys who didn't set Ford Mustang record lap in a LFM BOP server, but did it on their private one).
Ah yes.. and weirdly enough they did an BMW record time on Nords on LFMHL server. So now BMW on Nords has +32kg while Ford has +7kg :D
This discussion is decades old. It's never going to change.
In this year we have got an example of cheating in Italian community, after the finish of the ACI (Italian federal Championship), where a driver and also his teammates became aliens drivers for 3-4 months. The results? The team don't exist anymore, and these drivers have changed game because they were banned from all Italians community, but they won the title 🤙
We live in a decadent society. The ecstasy that comes from cheating in competitive online games is only a reflection of real life.
It's why i only drive on LFM.
This is on the online challenges for ps5. Someone doing a 2:01 on spa is bloody ridiculous 🙄
Hang in there buddy. We have seen this problem before with other games. Third party anti cheat software could be the answer to this. Hopefully ACC2 has some protection or perhaps plans to solve this issue.
What if like at least few people at LFM Pro would be cheating, but they using it to gain like 0,2s per lap and they are good at hiding it? That is the issue. How can we be sure if someone is cheating or not, not including very obvious ridiculous things?
You can't be sure. The fastest 0,1% of players are going to be your best anti-cheat - if they find it really sus, it probably is cheats or atleast bug abuse.
That Orlow guy cheated for ages, he would be half a second faster than the top esports guys and no one cared because he only raced M2 and GT4s. I don't doubt theres a couple guys on esports doing shady stuff
@@sp33dou The fastest players can't be used as anti-cheat also, in instance If someone is 0.3s slower they just adjust it to be competitive at the top and not be suspicious.
Cheaters cheat for popularity until they get caught.
Some people dont understand intrinsically what hypocrisy means. Cheaters are probably concerned. They are hypocrites without knowing it.
People cheating in iRacing is why we can't have even basic tire data for dashboards.
Is there really cheaters on I racing I haven’t ran into one I thought it was under control there
When I first started Sim racing I thought that people wanted a realistic experience. But what can you do nowadays it's all about fake it till you make it, you don't have to have skills and integrity, just look like you have it. There is no empathy only your ego!!!
cheating in assetto corsa is peak level of ''i dont know what to to with my life''
It's because they aren't good at it and they know they'll never be good.
But being that obvious is just pathetic. Taking away from good drivers. He mad.
Jardier, even if it is for money, there is no justification or attempt to understand the usage of something that gives you an advantage that no one else has, period. Cheating is cheating, end of story
Another reason why I don't race online. Stopped almost all online gaming in general. Cheating has just gotten out of hand.
Getting the feeling that many players have found out about how to cheat as I'm always in bottom at public and 1 year ago i was in top split, might be players generally getting faster and I'm not 😂 but it feels different in a way at public this days
Makes me wonder , if they are working on anti cheat for AC EVO?
I’d be surprised. Press X to doubt
Probably Not :(
hi jardier this great video but i have to say i am done with ACC this is why i have gone to iracing but i will be looking at AC EVO BTW grate racing the other day in the renault clio you are doing so well thats what i call real racing keep up the good work and racing
Starting to notice it too even in the simgrid community
The first person the cheater lies it is him self.
Im almost 60 and haven't sim raced ever (unless you include playstation 1 a long time ago and that wasent online ) I have just now started to get into sim racing and agree with you ,I hate cheaters in all walks of life 🤬,so the race organisers should ban them immediately if its possible . Trouble is these idiots keep changing there profiles ? Gave you a subscription and look forward to catching up on your past content .Greetings from latvia....Harry
Omg I was in this lobby.!! I remember seeing this guy blitzing past us all the time. He was so annoying. Caused so many accidents. I'm 707. This was a pub lobby.
He didn't even finish the game. He just quit to pits
Why do people even feel the need to cheat in ACC in the first place? Why not just mod your car in the original AC to go 300,000 mph and pat yourself on the back
Exactly why I don't race on PC
They are anti- gravity Alien Reproduction Vehicles in Disguise!!😂😂😂
I feel ya about cheaters..back in the day I played a game called Soldier of Fortune.. and Soldier of Fortune 2. Wall hacking and other things became so rampant they finally developed an anti cheat system. Not that some didn’t find a way around that but cheating ruins it for the rest of us.
What I hate with anti-cheat mechanics in sim racing are those sims like Raceroom that say "this lap and the next one invalidated" if you make a mistake 1 or 2 corners from the end of the lap. A mistake that in no way advantages your next lap - sometimes quite the opposite.
Invalidating the next lap is annoying as f. I get why but they need to fix it so that if you go off and are slowing, it should NOT invalidate your next one.
- This has nothing to do with the subject of the video, we are talking software cheating like getting more power or grip, not just cutting the track
- If you invalidate by going wide on the last corner, you have more speed whan you should be able to, to start the next lap, so it is very logical that it invalidates the next lap
Oh wow they finally gave the jag a BOP update 😅
It destroys games. Counter Strike 2 was supposed to move their esports to the internal ingame ladder but it is impossible as only cheaters are on the top. Also it destroys the credibility of all the big events that are pulling an audience and it is worse than doping. Doping makes sports easier but still you need to invest your whole life to win, cheating in games you can do with zero skill. It is a blight on all forms of gaming and it should become illegal.
I wonder if some cheaters, like the flipping car make it so obvious to highlight to people that the game has plenty of cheaters.
The problem with anticheats is that no matter how good the anticheat is, there will be cheaters regardless. It's in every game, be it shooters, MOBAs or anything else. Yes, they might get banned eventually, but the damage is already done and there will be new cheats soon, anyway. Besides, a good anticheat is very expensive to develop. Cheaters will be just one step ahead every time no matter what.
From now on I'll ONLY drive the jag, period.
Cheaters are people who haven't achieved much in life and they blame everyone around them for their failures
IMO they take pride in fooling the server/game.
I think there are lots of subtle cheaters in this game.... A proper anticheat systen is a must in any simracing game.
I haven’t played much ACC after hearing about cheating it felt pointless to race random people on the internet.
I just googled it.
There is an active cheat which locks your fuel at 0.5 litres.
I'm sadge people do this.
7:32 in the SWToR was absolutely besotted with PVP cheating, funny thing was I still managed to kill them even with the guy flying about the map .
What I hate about cheating is that the cheater is a human given the same skills and same capabilities as every other human, yet you decide to take the shortcut instead of practicing and improving yourself. Cheating for me removes the complete sense of accomplishment, the joy and everything…. it just sucks.
im part of a discord group and some one linked to new cheats for ACC that cost $100 and gives you cruse control, double car speed and 100% grip, seems like last 6 to 12months new cheats have been coming out for ACC, so might be time for them to add some kind of anti cheat
I totally agree. If people are cheating like that it just shows what sort of person they are, and its sad. Sim racing is all about the competition and that's why its so much fun. The people that cheat are very sad inside 😢😅.
We need a series exposing cheaters. Request replays to your email and expose them on your channel.
I agree with everything you said concerning cheating in Sim racing
for those people, cheating is not about "winning"... is mostly about ruining the experience for everyone else... they are bad at a game, so for their fragile ego nobody else can be good.. nobody else can feel good by achieving something that person wold literally never achieve!