High number of professionals leaving SA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2023
- According to an article on Business Tech, numerous skilled workers are leaving South Africa, with Europe, Canada and Australia being the top three popular destinations of choice. While there is no official tracking of emigration, several pieces of data show that South Africans are leaving the country in droves. These include the latest data from SARS which shows that over 40 000 taxpayers have ended their tax residency in South Africa, as well as Henley & Partners' latest Wealth Migration Report 2023, which shows that 400 high net-worth individuals worth more than R18 million emigrated in 2022. Generalist Senior Recruiter at REDi Recruitment Simonne Adcock says emigration has been seen in all industries, including IT/Digital, Banking, Engineering, Executive and Legal. She joins us virtually to discuss this further.
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I don't blame them this country has gone to the pits 🚮
Next we going to kick out all these post 94 voters... I'm glad everyday how Africa is getting exposed for how whites are led to live under racial socialism
Please add millions of health and educational specialists to those statistics.
Millions??? 😂😂😂
NHI is going to force the health industry to be part of the government, which means part of the quotas. If no one can find a job, they simply leave.
maybe SARS will stat collecting from the taxi industry..
Lol 😂
😂😂😂
there will be war
😂😂😂
People study to achieve a certain lifestyle. No lights, bad roads, cruel tax, and bandits being richer ain't it.
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The Titanic a vessel is on the brink of sinking and when those with the means of life boats escape this signals the obvious to happen.
BEE, that's one of the problems. Crime, healthcare, education, the lack in all these sectors and more.
@@sibongakonkekhuzwayo7581 They just spout "BEE" as a substitute word for "black". They don't actually even know what BEE is and how it works.
@@sibongakonkekhuzwayo7581 where? Still very much in force.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior You clearly have no idea how it works if you dont see it as a problem.
@@lightningRatPack I know full well how it works, how it is implemented in different forms within different sectors of the economy, and the aims it seeks to achieve in contrast to other empowerment and inclusivity schemes.
Yep, the 1st sign that a country is failing is when the young graduates and other highly qualified people leave their country to pursue a career in a healthier environment.
Other indicators are personal wealth flowing out of the country, disinvestment together with foreign investment slowing down.
Our government lacks much intellect so only lives for the day so they aren't really concerned with the knock on consequences of highly qualified people emegrating.
Note ... This group when leaving the country directly reduces the revenue that state coffers so desperately needs to provide social welfare for those with no skills, unemployed and elderly .
Possibly, many if they did not leave would start businesses providing much employment for the people.
Sadly, this fact is inconsequential to the state as they are disadvantaged by their lack of vision and intellect.
WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT 🙄. "I want my kids to leave as soon as they are able." 😢😢😮😅. South Africa is falling apart, and it's very sad. 😢😢.
What contribution are you willing to make to make it better
@babalwandamase Leave...
The worst is i scored the highest in my SACAP exams at 97 percent. And the home affairs rejected my critical skills visa renewal based on new critical skills list that is coz of published NQF level being the reason. I appealed asking them to give me time so that i can study and get to that nqf level 9 it takes approx a year or two but even that was rejected. Despite of highly skilled professional that are already leaving at their own will they are also loosing people like me that are being forced to leave. 😢
NQF means nothing, they did the same to white qualified citizens in 94'... They "restructured" the entire primary secondary and tertiary education systems to implement BEE! But then again you a foreigner, so why don't you go? This is a citizen of South Africas right, not yours...
It is what is happening in our "new"country!!!🤨😐🙄😶
I waited 10 years to be granted refugee status. 10 years of my life that I will never get back.
Well I don't blame them, destabilizing the last functioning province in SA .. western cape prayers with you to overcome the thuggery
Have you been living under a very huge rock? Western Cape has always had a hard drugs problems and gangsterism issue, the murder capital of the country. You chose to put the blinders on because you ignorantly believe the blue party is some white savior while it has its own political agenda and alot to gain from the thuggish behavior and instability.
Now you do what the ANC do best...Play the blame game ....idioot
Western cape is nothing special in terms of its importance to the economy. Gauteng is the single most important province and contributes disproportionately more to the country than any other province. Western cape is barely better than KZN. You really need to acquaint your self with the stats. Western Cape is just a nice tourist province that's all.
It seems my comments are more liked than yours. Quote stats that are genuine and acquaint yourself with the facts.
@@user-jh2fe5zv7p Those people liking are YT people. No wonder
The attitude in South Africa is "our people" must get free education, water, electricity, transport, housing, education, school lunches, cash grants and services... but they don't need to contribute anything.
On the other hand the hard working taxpayer is treated as an after-thought that must pay or else. You can see it in all the statements from the ANC. They couldn't be bothered less that they are about the taxpayer! ANC focuses on pleasing the majority that votes it into power.
Well, the result is taxpayers get sick of being taken for granted. they pack up. They leave! You can try and paint rosy pictures of "some people return" all you want but the reality (even confirmed by Biddulphs!) the net is an outflow. The people you will have left in SA are the leeches who believe they are owed free stuff but there will be no one to pay the tax that funds it all.
You make me scared let's change the government before it's too late.
With such racist undertone...Are you still around or you left already Moleko?
So true. Unsustainable
Agreed 100%
"Free" just means somebody else pays, and now those people who pay are leaving. People in this country have always been spoilt and had everything just handed to them. That time is over.
Can't blame them. The country has nothing to offer
For every professional leaving sa,one unprofessional joins government
Why not talk about the fact that theyre looking for a place they can live without bars and security systems like a prison? I left in 1996 and have never looked back.
I am from the uk. Every South African I meet, I ask what they miss about SA. They all say nothing. They are so glad to have left. Safety was the reason they all left.
Reasons? SA has 3 of the MOST DANGEROUS CITIES IN THE WHOLE WORLD.....wasnt always so....
Financially emigrate overseas, come back to SA and work remotely for 180 days without your hard earned money being squandered by SARS and the government.
That screams "money laundering" "tax evasion". Which honest person works in country X but their bank account is in country B ?
Quite a lot of people do it and it is legal.
Blame it on BEE. No incentive to stay here.
Can you blame them if they are leaving.
No!! They must do what is best for them... We had an electrical engineer ,who, at last got a job in a school library!! Thank goodness some one helped him to find a proper job in another country!!!
When she asked about black/white engineers she is worried that all SA will have left is 30% pass mark engineers. you know, the ones who are "managing" the situation in Joburg where we had the explosion.
Zama zamas have more applied engineering skills than university engineering graduates, Education is a scam
Yeah, the ones "encouraging" the staff at Universities, to give them a pass mark or have their families murdered....
Are you one of the 30%? I doubt you're commenting from Canada or Australia.
We don't need you hope you commenting from Canada
Who build bridges that collapse
I can attest to this at my place of work we are inundated by applications for relocations abroad. South Africans intending to relocate with their children.
Can i ask,is this across racial groups or more noticeable on certain races?
Simple ,South Africa has apertheid in reverse now.Everything is for the black man now.
I also tell my kids to move,my son is a pilot in the air force.Hearing the eff I wonder what's in store for our kids
It is the only way to get a proper job and salary..... If you are the wrong sex and colour, there is no job for you here in RSA ......
All the best they just go for better and ,people should look for opportunities everywhere
I'm in an Engineering sector, Canada offered me an opportunity earlier this year, I turned it down, I'm currently working for Anglo-American Mine, SA is heading in a wrong direction buy we must not give up on it.
I will live and die in SA
I'm never leaving SA for Greener pastures
40 percent of "We Buy Cars" are customers that are emigrating.
That's shocking.
Just doing my bit for transformation by leaving...😊😊😊😊
😂
The most thoughtful thing you would do, that will help a deserving black family, you too kind
@@fanamlawuli6761 hope you enjoy your collapsing currency and country....
@@user-qq6es4io8h you welcome...hope you stew in your own 💩💩💩
@@chessmanhatter298 that is nothing to me, no matter what happens, rich or poor, I be here for ever
How I wish I could be one of them.
Go for it muna. Lol
Where will you go? The states will have you running for your life back to africa. Europe is the home of racism. The middle east is a warzone. and other african countries do not even understand the concept of human rights.
Just stay home and improve your own life. These people are always running to other countries and then run back when they come to their sense. Some even get themselves kidnapped and then beg the ANC to rescue them.
The Titanic is about to sink so, if one has a life boat then be on the first group to escape.
@@poisonboxingfitness It's been sinking for years now. The only difference now is people realised that it's sinking.
The worst thing is as pastors we tell people that they should not leave but rather they should plant their seed or skillset in this country and add like Isaac in the Bible they will reap a hundredfold but it seems as if it will not work this time. Maybe I don't know but the grass is not always greener on the other side. Lastly let me say I have learned to put my hope and trust in the Lord even in stormy South Africa
Tell people in a song that you want to kill them. And expect them to stay.
Ah u KLEVA or mabbi yu are notti. Eh?
Let them pink people to pink national leave us alone
Yes. South Africa has an amazing lifestyle. But that has deteriorated. And where will the country be 10 to 15 years from now if it carries on with its current trajectory ?
You mean SA HAD an amazing lifestyle........
Call a spade a spade once for all, they leave because of the anc and eff...stop sugar coating
Ive met a Spaniard engineer , A polish computer scientist and two german Doctors in South Africa a whilst working at a well known retail store in pretoria north,a lot of people migrate and emigrate all the time
How old were they?
The Spanish guy has 2 son's both at Tuks, the Polish lady was somewhere around early 30's very nice lady,
Did you investigate the shambles that the legal profession is in? Obviously we should leave.
Mineral demand and functioning mines saved south africa,now its our turn we must all vote.
If you want data/statistics on the number of saffas thats left SA, go look at the statistics for arrivals from SA in NZ, Australia, UK, Canada, USA. These First World Countries keep records of who enter their borders. The 40k you mentioned is likely higher.
BBBEE.
Yep I'm considering leaving too. This country is frankly racist again
What are you talking about?..
@@kgaogeloakaaka7393 BBBBBBEEEEEE3
@@kgaogeloakaaka7393 water quotas based on % black people in your business
@@kgaogeloakaaka7393 racial quotas for businesses in different provinces
@vishensivparsad You can leave. Go to your ancestors' land ( EUROPE )
if i had the money to leave, i would have left yesterday
It happens everywhere not in Zim only
The worst thing is as South African pastors we tell people that they should not leave but rather they should plant their seed or skillset in this country and add like Isaac in the Bible they will reap a hundredfold but it seems as if this time this will not work as the country is going down the drain
Whether we like it or not, Zim 2.0 is coming. The way we live in this country is not sustainable
We can replace them with the Gupta Brothers and Putin.
Do you blame them
Push/pull factors? I left SA in 2004 after every job opening I enquired about for an engineer (which I am, mechanical, post grad, since 2000), told me I could only apply for the job if I'm black, coloured, indian or asian. I left almost a year to the date I was back in SA in 2003. Not much of a pull factor, 100% push factor, wouldn't you say? Just to add, I don't know one white South African that returned to SA, out of more than a million that's no longer there. One whole generation have embarked on The Great Trek 2.0, to get away from tyrrany and operession of BBBEE & EE. In any case, I'll never work for a company that won't promote me, and won't give me a salary increase, simply because I'm white.
What is facinating though is how the media, institutions and governments always try to argue this, and argue that, but they're too lazy to simply ask people why they leave! And their assumptions are ALWAYS wrong.
Oops, had to add that I never emigrated from SA financially, and I never had to. No one is required to financially emigrate from SA as long as there's a DTA between the the adoptive country and SA! Sars seems to conveniently forget that little detail, and they use their scare mongery on unsuspecting, ignorant and gullible people. It's actually quite easy. Leave most of your stuff in SA, live and work abroad until your tax residency is certified by the DTA, and then move everything over. Sars cannot argue with an international treaty with another country!
Oh, and of course, I don't want to live in a country that has its head up Russia and China's "you know what". The biggest cause of brain drain in SA is the ANC, Cosatu and the SA Goverment, driving sensible, educated and experienced South Africans out of the country (of all races).
And lastly, everytime statistics show that the Goverment is crooked and useless, the government simply tell stats SA to no longer collect those statistics! This is nothing new! Talk about burying your head in the sand.
Why is it a concern for Our government when we start leaving a country where they can't provide any job security for its own law bidding citizens.
"Why is it a concern for Our government"
Damned if you do , damned if you don't. If the goverment didn't show any concern , now the goverment "doesn't care" !
We all know why ...
There is another big factor that most recruitment companies completely ignore, and the fact that you all ignore this major discerning factor speaks volumes about the human resources industry as a whole. Toodaloo
So many people want to come and stay in Sa, this has been happening for years, all countries experience the same, people move around
Count me in
I was today year’s old when I learnt of something called an “ancestral visa/passport” 😳
We dare not call them foreigners😂
@@tawanasquad8650majority especially Afrikaners don't have those visas
@@tawanasquad8650 So thats if your grand father or parents are citizens.
For example, Im 14th generation South African. Only ancestral Visa I can apply for is South African!
What does SABC mean "skill drain" as if those are the only skilled individuals in the country
SARS the next too go down whath
Yes. Don't forget to end your tax residency 😊 #packingforperth
In europe we need young well educated. Id prefer ppl who come here and adapt to our society well. If you want multiculture the US is your best bet to find what you are looking for. There are pockets of anything over there. Not here.
those brows though
South Africa going to become banana Republic
Most not even South Africans but African migrants coming to SA and use it as their ticket to Europe.
Clever...
Thats an opening for our brothers and sisters sitting with degress at home.
Depending on the colour of their skin....
Why support a government that sucks you dry... for their buddies who are as corrupt as they themselves?? Leave ,while you can.....
Like the ones in Zimbabwe
@@ianvandyke3996there goes the violin note again
@@chileshemulenga8790 riffak read it backwards that's your mentality
@Svig Who is going to employ them if they all close up and leave? Zuma? Malema? Ramaphosa?
Hulle sal dit nie wys maar dis waar yes
I think the country is producing a lot of graduates annually and this brain-drain will forever be filled. Yes, it takes time to create specialists who are exceptional but we shouldn't fret, we will eventually offset the drainage.
No, we won't, it will get worse
When?
You forget there is a constant cycle that involves retirement in other countries and SA. Skills will always need to be topped up so its not going to ever reach saturation point.
Don't even understand why in SA this makes news all the time. There is a high number professionals leaving the UK (I live in the UK).
Lets put this into perspective:
Last year 92 000 Brits left the UK. About 400 000 non Brits left the UK. Therefore professionals leaving one country for another is not just a South African phenomenon. For me this is just poor journalism.
Yes, poor journalism, this is nothing new.
In the UK there are a number of people entering and leaving the country and always has been not least because it’s not the ideal place to live for people born in the uk.
In South Africa though, we are not the type of people who find it easy to leave. Never have ! It’s always been a well known fact that South Africans would rather choose to stay than leave
@@safiakhan8498 just like any country the UK is ok to live if you have enough wealth to afford the expensive life that u face on the daily basis. There may be low crime, no loadsheading etc but it does not mean people are happier here than in SA or elsewhere.
Scare tactic!
It’s a headline because people are leaving their home country which they live because their home country has become impossible to function in no electricity, crazy crime, parasitic useless government, collapsing state institutions, and race quota systems
Hi, I’m from the uk. Never been to South Africa. Two of my uncles were mixed race and left SA in the 1960s and made a life for themselves in the uk.
I have met many South Africans over the last ten years who have all moved to the uk. All moves due to the increasing violence. One family I’ve been friends with said when the second house on their street was broken into - with lots of violence - that is when they decided to leave. I asked them and others what they miss about SA. The answer is nothing. They miss absolutely nothing about South Africa.
Life in the uk is not a picnic, but we are nowhere near the levels of violence, rape and murder that SA is at. When 1/3 SA young men admits to being a rapist, you know you have a rotten country.
Maybe electing a terrorist who murdered people and a man accused by several women of rape is not the way to elect a winning team. Maybe electing someone who murdered and someone who raped is going to result in a country with a high rate of murder and rape?
And that is before we get to the financial corruption.
Yep. Everyone I have met who has left South Africa does not look back.
Those countries have bigger problems too. E.g In Germany, there is a shortage of almost 2 million skilled workers. However, there's a lot of Islamophobia in the West and Right Politics extremes. People need to do research first.
You can blame the tusken raiders and bleks for the rising Right wing groups.. nobody wants them here
bigger problems?
Yes they,re in for a rude awakening. Or maybe a rude aWOKENing. Sad but true
@@Amelia-le8hx People are becoming more right wing😂 some are asking for a purge and the next crusade because they are tired of bleks and moslems raping women, living off the tax payers etc
Bigger problems? Mmmm only countries with bigger problems is countries where there are full scale wars....
Dah!!!!!!
Lets leave people please
These are dual citizenship holders and this opens job opportunities for black graduates, the quality of life abroad is poor and you will always be treated as an immigrant, and living in a tiny axpensive house
..I will never leave my South Africa 🇿🇦🌍.
..it's the Nando's
Nandos is international these days
Never say never 😭
@@Hellstothenaw username checks out😂
@@Southghost5997 🤣
do the math
let them go in peace..
Let south africans explore the world, but allow us to explore their country. Given a chance even Dudula members would love to migrate to Canada, Australia and Europe.
I think Zimbabweans educated must give SOUTH AFRICANS a space.
@@thembimaseko9600wa tsenwa wena stlatla kwena
Educate yourself only white people benefit from these industries or systems so when they say professionals are leaving its white people leaving
No thanks, we do not need burdens like that abroad
@@oitsiaya468 Bullshit, I know 5 people from my class who are blek that went to the UK and thats only me. Are you jealous because you aren’t on the level to gain work abroad ?
Futsek kwerekwere!
suprise
Khululeka BAYABUYA😂
...Cubans! I love Cubans...Cuban cigars!😅
Let em go. Lol Who really cares but the Media 😢😂
The whole world is in a big mess, the worse will fall on all the inhabitants of the world.There is no better place on earth, you leave the country,its fine but know that you will encounter problems were you heading. The West and American news only shows the beautiful side of their world but don't show the bad things that happen there.Our news in the continent are transparent at all times.
Hahaha. You are a fool
Agree completely
Rubbish!
It was Zuma causing the brain drain. Is it still Zuma ?😂😂
Lol Zuma is responsible for Ramaphosa!
LoL nothing important with these, leave come back, cheap labor is always needed to make profits, everywhere in the world people leave their countries.
These professionals are previously advantaged. The gap will be filled in due course
Thats not true, based on home affairs reports. Most are young black professionals.
as well as middle class Boere who's families were disadvantaged during the war and dont have euro passports.
There are many black South Africans in the UK. Do you think race turns down opportunity, money and better education and safety?
LOL
Let them go , what's the big deal
Let them go one by one, they aren't many of them anyway, big opportunity for the black majority youth
Who will create those jobs.
Who will create those jobs.
@@thembimaseko9600 the white man is not the only one who can create jobs, this is a lazy assumption, those leaving aren't job creators, they employees themselves
Dunce
@@fanamlawuli6761 😂😂Its comical how wrong you are
With all these so called professionals and civilised society and yet South Africa still not productive.😂..I guess by them leaving might just turn out to be better productivity for South Africa with homegrown professionals...😅 aleast the youth gotta a chance of trying for top positions 😂
You expectedc10% of people working to make the country better whilst others sit at home or avoid paying taxes? 😂
More Jobs coming my fellow south africans. Abahamb' abahambayo sosala siyincenga!
What jobs? Unemployment is getting worse
@@Southghost5997 the ones left behind by the people leaving, imake, first things first what degree do you have ?
@@goodmansibisi861 I'm cynical bru. So far I'm seeing people leave and companies not fill in all those positions - definitely not with positions up to 10 years of experience, but maybe that's just the case for engineering. I have a BSc Chemical Engineering and 5 years experience. They seem to hire internally rather than take on new people and just reduce in size overall. Latest economic and employment data reinforces this. Maybe we just in a recession and things will improve, but this is the current state of the country and it's getting worse. I have friends who left the country because they were retrenched and couldn't find work, and others who are still working here under more pressure because their companies won't hire new people to take over the additional work. But again, maybe it's just for Engineering...
@@Southghost5997 Sounds hectic mahn, one thing though, I have hope, all the best.
Jobs in companies that will fail? 😂😂😂
But I think if they are immigrating, then there should be open vacancies and that means those who will occupy will pay tax, so it shouldn't be much of an issue🙆
The issue is, these people have skills that are no longer taught at universities.
66% youth unemployment proves otherwise. After someone leaves its more likely the position is terminated than reappointed to someone else.
You can have a connection in government or a pass rate of 30%. That does not make you skilled.
Let em leave the best country in Africa ❤ .... After they land wherever they r going they shouldn't b like Elon musk ND comment in things they ran away from leave us alone with our country that we love nd won't get tired of❤❤❤❤❤ Africa for Africans
This country will be worse than Zimbabwe
One day you will realise it's lagging by far
@@chileshemulenga8790 black management
they must leave faster please. SA needs a reset with people who want to be here.
Idiot😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha you are going to build a power station with stolen copper wire and cow dung..
We do need a reset.
It starts with each of us.
The best doctors already leaving.
Mistake, those countries will be 3rd world
Can they do a racial stats.. i wanna see the dominant race thats going Abroad..
that's actually irrelevant - but it becomes obvious the country is damaged when people OF COLOUR also emigrate !
why chief?
You know it's not black already. It's everyone the current government is introducing racist laws against
It is not the case of professional leaving for other countries but all these people are leaving to go back to their countries where they belong and nothing else
Let them go... others will replace them.
What makes you so sure?
With a 30% passrate. Haha.
Bozo mindset I expect from you lot
What can you do? Stupid mindset !!
Replaced by low IQ drones ?😂 Yeah right
Wouldn't lose sleep over this. They'll be back
Really.
That's why they are leaving.
Better life and can get jobs
You are dreaming. I will never ever return to that $hithole
Hardly...
😂
They'll be back? What are you basing this on (besides your need to sleep)?
Let them leave
They'll come back with the tail between their legs
A minority will however for the rest of us, we wont
Wow you haven't discovered what's out there.
Travel before you speak 💩
No danger...
And if they stay will you keep your tail between your legs?
Cling to false hope if it makes you feel better
We have more than enough graduates, so they will be replaced. They can go👌🏾
We have more than enough, but professionals are not being replaced by them. The positions are just being terminated.
Whites go well guys
Let them go