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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2019
- Hundreds of British teenagers are being sent by their parents to East Africa to avoid knife crime in the UK, representatives of the Somali community say.
The Victoria Derbyshire programme looks at why some are taking this drastic choice?
Producer: Sean Clare
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Unpopular opinion #1. (Some) Somali mothers need to stop placing their sons on a pedestal and start treating them like men. Daughter have immense pressures placed on them whilst the sons are allowed to run amok
@@khanpak7607 pls tell me you did not write this in Ramadan??
@SabuPtolemy no I think its cultural. I'm hoping I'm strict with my son and I pray I treat them equally
@SabuPtolemy there is no such thing as muslim culture. Educate yourself!! A lot of things happen because of "culture" but that doesnt mean its allowed in islam.
SabuPtolemy you are wrong Turkey and Morocco are free ladies can marry even Christian men also marry British black Caribbean men too Morocco 🇲🇦 are only one from Muslims who are like Europeans mentality even if they cover they are open minded and diverse
@Steven your spelling is atrocious 'Steven'
"I got in one little fight and my mom got scared and said 'you're moving in with your aunt and uncle in... Somali Land "
Tuyakula Musheko somaliland is a region separate from Somalia
@@timgrungus2234 not separate, but autonomous region of Somalia. There is difference.
I see what you did there🤣
@@Hussein_Nur it deserves to be it's own country and fyi I ain't isaaq but ciise from Zeila.
Tuyakula Musheko ! Ur hilarious!
Going back to Africa isn't a bad thing
FireFoxies I agree.. it’s a problem within that specific community and trying to normalise it for the rest of us.. the more they go back the better it is for us... so go and make Africa great with their western education (if any have had competed their studies 😬)
@@piedwagtailrameau When you're dying on your death bed in a hospital, and there's immigrants saving your life. Tell them to and go and fuck off back to their country as well. Then we'll see how you cope.
@@ADIMM0 I'm talking about these Somali teens who play no or little contribution to British society. What's it got to do with other 'immigrants'. There are good and bad contributors to society - and those who actively don't want to participate in a safe society are the ones who should just leave... I've been in situations where I'm being abused by refugees on a London bus - do I have a voice to complain, no, it's because these 'refugees' are protected by society who have no clue what us ordinary folks suffer by the likes of your liberal acceptance of these 'un-British' behaviours.
@@piedwagtailrameau but they're being sent to kenya not somalia. thats like sending polish people to the uk
Toro Loco there are Somali populations in Kenya... most of the Somalis I know come from Kenya as they have already settled. They are not being sent like some kind of conscription, they have voluntarily returned because they have created an intolerable situation amongst themselves - that is - killing each other instead of creating a positive way of living
They take zero accountability because they dont want to acknowledge their kids are the trouble makers. Very few ppl are collateral damage.
lmao do youlive in the uk?
@@krti.6452 you dont live london m8, civilians majority of the time are unaffected by knife crime
@@ahmedel-mahdi7311 neither do you if that's what you think.
No responsibility
People always talk about knife crime but never mention the root which is drug dealing .
and why do people drug deal?
JoeMo Plays because they are greedy and want easy money so they can show off on social media and all
Not necessary is lack of goverment funding, closing community centres and most kids have no where to play football or socialise. That's when they meet ppl upto no good.
Nah, people will stab you for some iPhone so they have a tiny bit more money in their pocket. Pussies
You dont know anything my man if only you knew yes drug dealing is part of the problem not the cause wtf
The fathers need to be involved ! Why do I see only the women talking about their kids !!!! Let me not say anything !!! Our Somali men are lacking their responsibilities!!!!!!!!
It could be that the fathers are at work for some.
@@professorrosenstock5026 working 24 hours? Is it
RS2002 and infecting women with aids STDs 🤮
@@liyanibernier5720 funny how you know so much lol are you sure that your not the one on walfare !!. Thanks for your input and i hope your universal credit gets approved 🤗
aya O I used to drive to my grandparents place so sometimes I would see these people near a Walmart and watch them use food stamps and come in as groups loud chaotic reckless people I tell ya Somalis need to take a good look at the Asian community and how well they do in life.
I have spoken to some of these Somalis they have came to the USA as early as 1990s and they are still living in GOV housing and receiving food stamps I still don’t know till this day how they managed to claim all this for Ofer 26 years really confusing 🤔🙄
blame the absent fathers... these kids father's go to Somalia or Kenya and take a second wife . they will abandon their first wife and kids in uk ., no role model in the household period.
@@rackojama watch ur lingo... .. Somali mothers are amongst the best mothers in the world ...
Racko Jama you must be speaking from experience. Sorry to hear but not everyone’s parents are like that
@East african 123 I'm sorry for what has happened to you... I was lucky I suppose my father was there when I was growing up and didnt take second wife thank God for that.. they wouldn't talk about it because men are allowed to marry more than one woman.. but they shouldn't have neglected their kids and their first wife in my opinion .. some Somali men are very selfish
@East african 123 if u dont mind me asking u are you a mixed race ?
@East african 123 your situation is similar to mine but with the extra courtesy of my dad coming back after 20 years and assuming we owe him something Haaa the joke 😂
You dont just get stabbed out of nowhere. Those mommy's dont tell the whole story.
You can get stabbed out of no we’re just from walking into the wrong post code if you ain’t from there trust
In London you do you’ve obviously never been there
All I can read from this comment is "teehee i dont live in london b-but just dont get stabbed silly!"
@@ken-yo2hz that's funny because all I can read from your comment is that your mommy didn't hold you enough when you where a smaller gremlin.
No one gets stabbed by accident it’s either gang/drug related or a situation that escalated you lot are stupid af
This is what happens when you intentionally raise a daughter and abandon a son to run wild only to hope for society to protect you and the deviant...smh
Omd so true. I see this in my community as well!!! I’m Zimbabwean
@STeresa
Another problem is men trying to prove they’re tough by getting into these fights all for what? No need. Nothing wrong with self defence but in sighting violence because you felt disrespected is ridiculous. 😕
When you go back to Somalia to be safer but the same dude that was tryna knife you down in London also comes back to Somalia 😩
That is sad
Haha is that why you hide your name lol
😂
lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣
don't understand the Somali community. It's the father and uncle's job to shape the Somali boys so that they can grow up as responsible men. Somali men need to step up and take care of their families
It’s so true.
It’s about money and taking Shit with coffee..
True
Why r they so weak
@@MercyMazmida
Don’t talk stupid..
@@internationallove.5242 Don't talk stupid ..
The somalians in my area seem to think sitting in a coffee shop or internet cafe all day is the best way to live their life while the kids are free to do what they want
Is it just me, or do I hear a lot of shifting the blame to the assumption that 'No one cares about our community', instead of accepting responsibility for the problem that they have created. It's always 'their kids' and not 'Our Kids'
I know you're stupid beyond measure but I think it's worth clarifying you've just implied these parents are secretly running knife gangs for no reason and to no benefit
It’s a problem with that community and the likes of them... blaming others and not themselves for not controlling their offspring
@@TheNeverposts No, I never implied that the parents were 'secretly running knife gangs'- that would be idiotic. Frankly I fail to see how you could possibly think that I implied that. What I said was that the parents should accept the fact that it is their own community that has created the problems which they face.They should not blame it on the assumption that 'no one cares about them'. Do you honestly think that their youth is not responsible for the violence in their areas?
@@piedwagtailrameau I think its a more general problem. Most parents, regardless of race etc. love to assume their children are innocent instead of looking at the situation objectively. But yeah, it is a problem there.
@John Mitchell this is ignorance. There are African cultures where the there are two parent households. African women do not have a high single motherhood rate
I don't live in London but someone explain to me how someone can just be stabbed unprovoked. Surely there is more to all of these stories
Usually gang orientated turf wars and drug wars
@@DJVEGAS1000 that's what I thought. So really why cant these youths stay away from that life. If you're involved in that kind of life then surely you should except that kind of death
Nope most of the time they see you or u look at them and they stab you
@@tomfinnegan7154 I've had a knife pulled on me for my phone just like thousands of others. Unprovoked, went down to throw the rubbish away having a cigarette just after it about to go back up when 3 white boys on 2 scooters came up and pulled out what looked like a 10inch + knife.
They were all covering their faces but you could see around their eyes. The one who pulled the knife out was shaking and I fell as if he was about 15/16
@@sercanserj7804 wow, fair enough
Mothers are doing the job of both parents whilst the father is absent whilst being present. Let's be real... us Somalis don't have many role models in our communities and this is the consequence. Youngsters are on the roads doing a madness in pursuit of money. It's a vicious cycle...
@Julia A I think its more an issue about the quality of migrant. The host country wont be destroyed
@Julia A Sorry Julia but i don't think immigrants are responsible for the demise of the Pearly king and Queen or the fact Tubby Issacs may not still be selling mussels - aspects of culture change when was the last time you had a kipper for breakfast? As for riots, they have happened in London for example the blackshirts. A riot is a riot irrespective of who is doing it. My take is the unity that held people together has long but disappeared especially since the Post war period. The society in Britain is indvidualist and that is great for self development but not when it comes to negotiating how to live with others which is why in some socities they are really collective but in terms of self development and accountability are lacking which I think is really sad.
Again the riots at that time were an outlet for people and because of individual greed rather than just because of mass migration. I come from a migrant family and would never riot because its generally distructive. Again its the quality of migrant not immigration itself. These people have adopted a lifestyle choice because they feel they have no other choice - wrong of course, their associates become their families and wider society suffers.
The sad truth is the fathers are out there making more babies and single parent homes.
@@lalablue1414 shut up you know nothing about Somali fathers, they work hard
Maybe these kids returning home could use their education to help benefit their native countries aswell?
Positive thinking
They were too busy skipping school so they probably are less educated than the Somalis in Somali
Nah gang members r set 8 dont think that will happen
That would make sense if the people of Kenya weren’t more intelligent than these waste men being sent there lol. Kenya thrives in academics.
lol
This makes me question how involved the parents are with their kids tho...
@@e.t9996 Bruh, in this day and age how likely is it that you'll actually see a man with multiple wives? But I do agree that most of the fathers don't really play an active enough role in the child raising process
@@e.t9996 in Islam maximum amount of wives you can have at one time is 4. Polygamy is supposed to be practiced with the teachings of the prophet implemented. You must treat them equally and give everything equal that is why it's hard to have a polygamous marriage so Allah says it's better to have 1 wife
That has nothing to do with parents, it is the environment you life in, its the friends and enemies you make.
@@abdulchowdhury6165 There is no a way a man can treat 4 wives equally , never and its impossible let's not sugarcoat . Most men who do this do not even meet conjugall preferences of this women.
@Gray Kin I agree , some men really spoil for you people.
I made the decision to grow my children in Ghana! The statistics dont lie with regards to black boys in the UK & Ive got 4 of them. Best decision i ever made.
I think parenting has a big part to play.
Parents need to be firmer. If your child isn't back from school at a certain time, this should be the first alarm bell.
Going to your child's parent evenings, seeing how your child is doing at school. If they're not doing well that should be another alarm bell.
Keeping tabs on what your child is upto and their whereabouts is also important.
If you let your child loose, they're bound to be caught up in gang life, especially if it's prevalent in the area.
I think the somali community need to accept some blame too. There must be some sort of pattern of absent fathers, no male role model, working mothers...
And if London is too risky to bring your children up in, there are other parts of the UK where the risk factor is less. Perhaps relocating for the safety of your children could be an option.
Exactly
Period !
Anonymous Anonymous mel kasto adunka jogaan isku mid waye Somalida blaming meshay dhigan yahiin instead of their crappy parenting skills , the thing is we don’t like to say anything bad about our parents so we blame the culture of the country which is so ridiculous. The amount of times I’ve tried to convince somali parents to tell their kids to come straight home after school and not to believe their crappy excuses but it’s like talking to a brick when it comes to most of them they always think they are correct and their sons in jail because of racism and the culture in the country lol
You have a good thought but with all that excessive right in west to underage people is another problem
That’s true
Unpopular opinion #2. (Some) Somali mothers need to concentrate on what’s going on at home. Instead of socialising from house to house, wedding to wedding and gossiping about others.
What about Somali fathers??
@@justdoit.86yearsago unfortunately there's a lack of father figures. Not in all but a large number. Also fathers tend to be stricter with their sons so if around things this is less likely to happen..
East african 123 yes, that and xaasidnimo lol
East african 123 how are mothers worse when fathers aren’t even there? At least mothers try, Somali father’s fuck off after a year or two
This is what happens when there's a lack of fatherhood and masculinity
Also Theresa May massively reducing the police budget resulting in the lack of police officers and patrols has a huge effect as well. If there's no police, more chance of getting away.
@@187Clemens that's not an excuse to stick knives in each other. fatherhood and masculinity in the household would do more to prevent crime before we could even think about police funding.
Would "a lack of police funding" be something to blame for rape?
Wth?
yes. that's definitely the problem here...
@@user-ei7ed6zy9k if you notice I used the words "also" and "as well". I wasnt arguing with you lol
Most, not all African Fathers, are not involved with their children. They think it the sole role of the mothers.
That may work out in Africa, where the whole community raised the kids but will not work in a setting like London, because everyone is busy including the wives and if the nuclear family together has no time for that kid, the street will.
It's the fault of the idiotic Western liberalism.
@@GUSCi-BDE wtf is there to disagree with??
In my teens I was sent back home because of being involved in school fight and nearly expelled, today looking back on it I was in the wrong crowd. I stay with my Aunt for half a year, but it’s the people who CHOOSE to hang around with. I was born and raised in London and have lived here for 25 years. Never been stabbed, never been robbed, never been in a bar/street fight, never felt unsafe and I’m perfectly healthy. It’s down to the individuals CHOICES. I really appreciate to my mother and family back home right pathway.
Same thing. I just got sent back for the same reason as you a fight and expulsion im in pakistan im 15 right now im going back to england for 2 months in these holidays for summer but tbh im coming back here and honestly i wanna spend my life here. The bad influences the drugs peer pressure people society in general. Here its all the way it should be. My grades even got better good luck!!💕
Far away from the stuff in london*
Well said bro. There is clear direction it depended on individual which one he/she takes. If we can't make here in uk where else can you make bro.
So it's clear that these teenagers being flown bk to Africa are in that situation because of their involvement in gang activities. It's not matter of them being targeted for the wrong reasons but rather them choosing gang life over an honest job. with gang activities comes consequences so it's no surprise.
mo sharif certainly a large or main part of it but that’s not how it always is. Largely, innocent people get robbed or targeted by gangs... it’s not all violence vs violence.
Yeah, a lot of the time it’s that. But once you narrow down the cause, it usually leads to targeting of people from specific backgrounds. Like how kids from a certain socioeconomic background are more likely to be approached by dealers who offer them “jobs” (trust me I’ve seen this happen many times). This then leads to them joining a gang, and ultimately knife crime.
It’s like this, would you expect a white person from an affluent area to be asked to deal by dealers and gang members?
But yeah, it’s a lot of the time the stabbing aren’t targeted but once you narrow down the causes, you’ll see it’s targeted.
Why is there suddenly so much coverage on this...African parents have been sending kids going in the wrong direction back home for Decades!!!!🤷🏿♀️ this isn't anything new!
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Am a Kenyan and am pissed coz they are taking their kids to my country ? 😡
Tanu Mzalendo
I’m Kenyan and I have no
Problem with that. Somalis have been living with us for hundreds of years.
@Julia A actually I think you'll find that MANY families of other ethnicities are very much needed in the UK...go to your local hospital or GP surgery and see that the people holding up the NHS are of various nationalities. Take your bigoted ignorant mis-informed self off from under my comment!! Thank you!
@Julia A again....piss off! We don't agree! You are the liar!!!
If the stabbings are more prominent in the Somali community then it has nothing to do with London because the problem is within the community.
But they don't fear being stabbed. When they go back to Somalia I'm sure it has something to do with culture in London
Facts !
@@13579hee Or it's likely the culture of gangs they seemed to be in.
Is a a certain ethnic group has a large % of crime then something somewhere is wrong within the community. The gang culture is 100% one of those reasons.
London was gang land way before Somali arrive, in Somalia we never of heard of gang culture.
The state structures in London are partly responsible.
Gang violence in the U.K. knives.
Gang violence in the U.S. guns.
Solution :
Ban guns!
Ban knifes!
What next rock's?
I see what you did there very good 🤣🤣
Other countries: acid based crimes
At the end of the day, you can't eliminate gang violence by banning their tools
Its just careless criminals leaving guns and other crime paraphernalia where curious children can get at them.
African parents do this all the time for different reasons and most of the time the kids come back as better people-citizens.
We need our people back.. at Summertime when the return to Somaliland they brought back with them all kinds of drugs..we need them back and and we will put them rehabilitation centers.. this video link is one of Somaliland villages.. watch it please th-cam.com/video/V0eBidCQjIw/w-d-xo.html
Somali parents have failed their sons ,the mother's are always hard on their daughters but some how they forget their sons need them too. Somali fathers may Allah guide t,hey completely abdicated their role as the man of the house and most of them are depressed and don't care about what happens to their own children ,the are numb .
filsan faceed ka roon why are the fathers numb?
@@bluephoenix9160 they are so depressed that they are just there like a stone or statue, nothing affects them .
Hard for many to admit, but it’s the truth. Maybe this sort of behavior didn’t cause much harm historically in Somalia, and other Somali majority societies. However, it does in many places in the world now. Somali fathers need to make sacrifices regardless of how uncomfortable it makes them feel...for the sake of their children and future generations. That means that they might need to have only ONE wife. They might need to tell those relatives back home, “sorry, I can no longer provide you a monthly stipend while my kids aren’t getting everything they need”...if not they will lose their children.
My best friend is somalian and I agree. She was on the road life but because the pressure was on from young to do EVERYTHING while her brothers were able to do what from a young age x
As a black individual growing up in the UK in the 80s 90s Knives crimes were rare but only started in the last decade among a certain African community,for instance there was a very bad knive incident in Wembley NW London involving an E African descendants and a Jamaican, from that incident onwards knive crime became a trend, where kids on the streets armed themselves with a defense object....!😱
It is ALWAYS better to build up your own land.
Very hard when the borders of your nation were drawn up without regard for ethinicity culture and religon
@@kashhh4u true that happened, but european countries have a huge amount of different ethnicities , cultures and religions so
@@kashhh4u exactly
@Zahhy08 how do you propose we take care of our states? We aren't in the government, why don't white people just fix Brexit, because it's the elite in charge.
@@kashhh4u just make us like Tanzania=Tanganyika+Zanzibar and Zanzibar is treated like a constituent country. Do that and we will unite but 50 50 share in the government.
my 'nephew' born in the uk used to have such a temper, he would cuss his mother out and embarrass everyone. one day she shipped him to Nigeria to school. After a year, the boy has become so well behaved its a huge contrast. Thing is over in Nigeria, kids are punished, and goodness, the devil that will make you pick up a knife to stab someone would be the one to caution you before trying that nonsense. i think British kids are really spoiled and there is no real punishment for misbehaviour. Plus stop accepting refugees.
I'm a British Bangladeshi who lives in East London I find this quite strange. Yes London's dangerous like any city. But my view on knife crime is that as long as you as an individual stay out of gangs.
Shueb Khan I live in east London Tower-hamlets as well , there are so many Bangladeshi who are gangs for example my neighbors , they are walking as groups and standing near states also influencing the young boys , the last incident has happened last Monday where a young Bangladesh man got stabbed near St’paulis way trust school so stop blaming Somalis they are trying to do the best way they can get over this problem .
Shueb Khan speak about the bangali stabbing each other then in London wtf r u on drugs or something
Funny story, there is a doc on TH-cam with Somali refugees in Kenya. It has a short scene with a Somali kid who's brother brought him to be scared straight by the police because he was messing about. People act a fool no matter where they are.
Actually some civilians get attacked got no reason
@@qaaliahmed4984 The parents of any child need to take some responsibility half the time many Bengali parents think their children are angels while they have no idea what they do outside.
After reading all the racist, discriminatory comments below, I am reminded why I find England so hard to take. There are lots of statements saying people should leave and not return. Believe me, if it were possible, I'd do just that!
@AngloGirl85UK 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a Somali young man I’ll 💯 percent agree that this young men need father as a role model. My father is a hard working resilient man and everyday am hoping to become like him. Inshallah
They make it sound like you just stumble into a gang, start dealing drugs and knifing people. Take responsibility
Mikael Falk in Kenya a Woman gone to Jail for thirty years for possessing 2000 Kes of Bhang! Thats about 20 UK Pounds
somali parents are to blame they gave birth to litter of kids n do not bother raising them to be well balanced individuals...parents r too busy socializing and living their lives to bother themselves ....
later when the kid becomes a handful they ship him back to african and send money to their relatives there to house him/her there.
Facts
do you live in london as well?
@@OnePiece-os3pe lol london is depressing i hate the weather
I totally agree and understand. Same with Nigeria West Africa, I know friends who have sent their sons back home to get better education and familiarise themselves with their own culture as this is what is lost with African/Caribbean children born in the UK, they lack Identity and need to know that the world is so much more bigger than defending post codes...... There are a huge amounts of layers to this epidemic we are seeing affecting young Black males; Place in education is on the decrease, while their representation in Prison on the rise, Mental Health on the rise. There are many things in the mix, but I totally agree with the solutions they are taking to save their sons / children. With the knowledge that these young men have it would be awesome if they would be more business minded to have a better impact on their country.
2 points :
1 - Don't get involved with the activities that put you into the path of regular knife violence.
2 - UK Police sometimes too soft when punishing certain crimes , alot of the time too scared of offending the human rights of criminals , prioritizing that over sympathy/justice for the victim.
hentaipanda07 like the first guy said, easier said than done. I grew up in Tottenham and although I didn’t cause any trouble during my secondary school days, I did find myself in a rough group of friends mainly due to my siblings friends and their connection to them/ school social standings/ not fitting with in or having similar interests with other groups/ outside school activities.
They would often cause trouble and I would try to avoid hanging around with them but it’s difficult to leave a certain circle of people that have a dominate presence in every aspect of your life. Your community, school, football team and etc
hentaipanda07 They are to scared to be called racist. That is the truth.
This is nothing new. Anyone with African parents will tell you we always got threats of a one way ticket back to our parents' countries if we acted too much out of line. And i've seen this happen to a few of my cousins.
Our parents don't play.
Chat too much wass. Its u London born who act like gangsters. My parents never said that cah I AM A DECENT HUMAN BEING G
Yes that happened to my friend. She got sent back for a year, came back a reformed person.
Papa Seed It’s not just acting like a ‘gangster’ if you get perpetually bad grades people still get that threat. Parents have come here for their children to get a better life if their kids are doing rubbish they might as well go back
Somalia hanoolaato 🇸🇴❤️
From your caadan brother my daughter is half Somalian and I am so proud to have family from this wonderful country.
May Allah bless all the Somalians across the world and protect our youth from any evil and guide us to the straight path.
May Allah protect every part of Somalia and rebuild the nation to what it should be.
أمين ❤️❤️❤️
I am so sorry for you , hopefully your daughter will not experience FGM
Somalians are killing each other so you want god to protect yourselves... from yourselves? Ok
Thanks bro. I admit this is saddening news but we're resilient, cultured & proud people that have been through much worse & we'll get through this inshAllah. God bless you & your family 🇸🇴🙏🏻🇸🇴🙏🏻
@@hotmess2766 you need more knives hahaha..stab someone..lol.
Rayma X
That’s a lie you’re taking your kids to Kenya! 😡😡😡
LONDON teens, to clarify. No one's really getting stabbed in Cheshire or Norfolk. .
knife crime in cheshire is actually rising, in the last 2 years i’ve had my jaw broken and had someone attempt to rob me at knifepoint twice. This isn’t just a london problem, although the problem is clearly much worse in london
@@Blue-ow3ns ahhah Cheshire fuck off
black teens, they're immigrants not UK natives.
Alex Cuz come here and say it big man
@@spfbaits ...you know there are black British territories right? British from birth, need to learn your geography and knowledge of the British empire before start shooting off your mouth about race.
Gee, I wonder why there's a giant increase in knife violence? One can only wonder.
No guns?????
@@tzach6745 Giving people guns would only create gun crime which would be even worse...
Reason's simple
lack of proper education, delusional and drugged mofos on streets..
#KnifExit
I am in the United States of America the Lack of Guns comment was SARCASM. Knife gun baseball but pick axe vehicles, are only tools.
NO QUICK FIX to these problems.
@SMEGY 89 apparently they aren't if he can go back to Africa to escape the violence
"Knife crime in London is like an air strike, you don't know when it is going to land on you"
Quality statement and that sum everything up.
But those atrocities are carried out by humans who happens to be our children. Instead why can’t they find a solution than running away
@@nubianqueen4375 Good question but only Somali communities can answer that question. However, until solutions is found, any sensible parent will do what they think is right for their children even if that means sending them back to their home of origin for better home training rather than getting knife down the street cold-blooded.
I left London and moved to Yorkshire the quality of life with families is better. This is sad don't be so attached to people and let your family suffer in the process move
Its like US, when u are in a big city n u are poor, the drug game attracts u really easily.
In london there's a lot of money in the drug market, thats why the poorest ppl jump on dat business, Somalis are the poorest, dats why SomaliStrip is the biggest gang in the drugdealing game at least.
So people are getting involved in crime, then escape the country to avoid consequences ?
If they wish to leave the country I cannot see this as anything else than mutual benefits for both countries
Ur bordering on sounding racist
I am Somali. You are 100% right, it is not racist, this is just the best thing for everyone.
@@parallel9201 And the fact that you are Somali makes you a moral authority??
Ok sir, plz explain how this constitutes 'MUTUAL benefits' for both countries??
Is it the best thing for Somalia and Somali ppl??
@@panthrrholdings4731 probably, the people that flee the UK for this reason are no doubt tired of the life that got them into a situation where they had to leave. And if large enough amount of these people with 1st world educations go to these countries it could greatly enrich somalia
@@Omega-vh6ck 🤣 nice try man. That's a very optimistic outlook, and it does on some scale, happen.
But the flip side is also true, and is a more likely outcome.
Shite parenting is the root of this. I grew up in the hood and my mam kept me away from the bad actors until I had sense.
@John Mitchell yea thats where it started.IRRESPONSIBLE
John Mitchell my mum has 4 kids including me we were fine.
Same bro I grew up in the trenches 3 man were shot and one was killed just on my road but my parents were educated even though they came from somaliland and they guided me and made sure I dident get involved in that gangster lifestyle
Where are their fathers , all I can see is mother complaining, how come their no man in the community group meeting? How come their no father sending those boys back home, boys need father figure there and Somali men’s have no responsibilities
In general you hear mothers more than fathers. The dad is most likely at work.
London is perfectly safe as long as you are not in a gang or keeping company with gang members. I live in the same areas as these guys and never had any trouble.
What about innocents getting stabbed there are about 8 per year
@@c00lpizza54 That's very rare and unfortunate but most stabbings are gang related violence. I don't believe the boys in this vid are being sent away on the off- chance that they might get stabbed. I believe these mothers know that their sons are in gangs or have been in trouble before.
@@agg5984 ok good point but london is definetly not perfectly safe just even if you try stay away from gangs
@@c00lpizza54 It's more or less as safe as any big city, all I know is that I'm never in fear for my safety when I'm in London. Also London is definitely safer than being in any African city (unless you're in a gang like these lads).
A gg You realize that if problem is left unsolved this is merely beginning?
It's shameful how there's no responsibility admitted by these parents, east african boys are beaten from a young age and it's a surprise when they grow up alienated from their parents morals and violent somehow
pdizzle it may be shameful to you but people whom do that don’t realize it’s wrong... its then even harder to realize when everyone around you that you respect in your own culture, plays by the same rules.
Johnny S nope, thanks for the input tho. Why do you say that?
excellent comment, society always protects parents from their responsibility on what they inflict on their kids and then act as if all this violence falls out of the sky. Really commend you for this
As a Somali i agree with you its a parenting issue, I worked at a daycare for 6 months and I was embarrassed to learn that most of the troubel markers were Somali. I've complained to the parents multiple times but it never resolves anything. I think child care should be part of the curriculum in schools over all especially here in the States.
The child's first teacher is their parents. They copy everything about you because you are their everything. When you are sad, the child becomes sad. When you are happy, they are happy. When you show patience, they learn patience. And when you show anger and violence, they show anger and violence. Beating your kids has a time and place. Even then its meant to be light and not on the face. If you beat the dog shit out of your child on a weekly basis they'll start to develop that anger. Then they'll be just as violent if not worse because they don't really have a sense of control since they're still youths.
How are the Somali the forgotten people when its your own kids in these gangs? Sounds more like they want special treatment.
Spec
Special treatment like?
@@dadon6055 OK so we don't need more thugs in Europe if we have ours, right?
@@Saeglopur89 oh yeah I get it now, from what I also know some North and east Africans here in Italy live in free or very affordable apartments and they want to enjoy and they know every office that help people in paying light bills and stuff like that 🤣🤣🤣 I'm not saying it's bad, even I would want free or affordable things but for a fact they do it more. But I don't think special treatment has anything to do with this, parents love will always be real, they just want to protect their kids
@@dadon6055 you drunk? The fuck you talking about green street for?🤣😫🤣😫😫🤣
These kids regarded honest "9 to 5" work as boring and even demeaning. That is why they commit crime.
Indeed - not motivated by the liberal opportunities of this country, i.e. free schooling, freedom of speech, freedom to do what you want - BUT by their genetics, their cultural inability of not following 'good' societal behaviours, and lack of wanting to be part of an integrated citizen that allows them to become almost a burden in our society.
Ikr did he just say nobody wants to be seen stacking shelves? Lmao what f***** up mindset .....I aint suprised anymore
Well they're not wrong I suppose
I'm laughing at the mere fact that the so called somali land is Kenya's capital
Kenya has been stealing Somalis land... I don’t really see a problem
Thought of the same thing... anyway I hope and pray that they will charge for better.
I know I am wondering too ..Somali land is in Somalia period. .
I grew up in kenya. I saw these kids being sent here, there's a huge somali community in kenya and because of that they don't feel too much out of place, Kenya has alot of different kinds of people. And the parents aren't wrong, the streets of London will get you killed. Here in kenya there is violence but it's the kind you'll hear on the news, and if you grew up in the hood like me, you'll hear about the occasional stabbings and that. But these guys they come here and some are bad kids but they change and they become more mature, some go to religious schools and others to IGCSE private schools... Its nice, they're nice :)
Let's learn to be more specific: this is not a British thing, it's not an African or black people thing.
It's not happening to Nigerians, Poles, Algerians, South African Brits etc. It's not happening to women, it's not happening to elderly people.
It's specific to Young male Somali muslim men. That's who the perpetrators and victims are, I'm sure if they break it down further they'll find out financial status, location, marital status of parents and a few other things may also have roles to play.
By going this deep it will be easy to identify the problem the cause and proceed solutions to stop it.
If you do a background check on these families you will quickly realize that most are raised by single mothers and lack a father figure. That the mothers cannot see the link is astounding
you are right... But women can't force men to stay in marriages or not to keep breeding,,, beside most these women purposely kept uneducated,, pushing early marriage and living of benifit.
@@coolcat6341 who has lkept them uneducated? Education is free in the UK as far as I remember but social security has usurped the value of men in British working class including somalis
Masai Moran football
It’s “misogynistic” to point out that women can’t offer the same influence a well rounded man can. 🤫
@@t-2750 how do? There is a reason it's called a family and men and women both have a role to play in raising their children. The consequences of this issue what the program is about
First it was the Jamaicans and whites, the Greeks and the Italians, and now it’s the Africans and Asians. If you look at an area of a British city which is deprived, you will see this type of crime. It has a lot more factors than that.. but why do middle class areas with nice lawns and picturesque high streets never face this kinda crime. My family has lived in inner city Birmingham and has faced this kinda crime too and when they moved to a small middle class village the crime is not there anymore.. it’s literally a poverty mindset it’s been happening for ages regardless of the race these people are poor and uneducated it BREEDS CRIME . Regardless of religion.
If somehow these people moved to a “nicer area” the crime would stop. Locate a certain family in an area and you’ll see that their children will behave better.
That’s not to say that middle class areas don’t have these problems too but I can surely say that I would feel safer walking around my middle class village in Birmingham at any hour of the day be it 3 am or 3 pm then the small health ghetto
Somali families have to many children in one household...they will have 6 kids under the age of 7 ..give ur womb and children a break
GOLDEN LEAVES u realise you’re talking about mothers right? Have some respect.
That prick that said they cheap and pathetic ur disgusting it’s not that more they need to raise their kids and be available to each child ..I don’t understand why people on low incomes have so many children...grow ur children it’s harder to raise a broken adult than give these children a chance
@@aaliyahsharmarke4244 youd be suprised to hear what some mothers are like. For example u had African women who would have kids just so that they coild get council housing. And its not a surprise that their dads arent around. The mum might as well not be there either. More time shes just supplying them with a room to sleep in. If your parents teach u right from wrong u dont end up being "targeted by knife crime" as these Somalis say in the video. They are clearly part of gangs and the woman that was telling the story that someones son asked his mum himself that he wanted to go back to Somalia and he got stabbed that day? Its obvious that he did something that someone would want to kill him for so he wanted to run away. Then again, u see people who grow up in these bad estates but they come out of it. I know your gomna end up knowing people who are involved in gang activities but at the end of the day its up to u if u wanna choose your family or your friends. Nowadays people think friends are more important than family. Friends arent gonna take a bullet for you, your family are. Your family are the ones thatll think about u everyday after youve gone. Your "friends" will forget about u after a few weeks
Lol
Somalis do not know about contraception! So i do not blame the mothers for having so many kids ! They not educated about birth control ! Hence why they allow every man they marry knock them up ! Lack of sex education is major factor !
The amount of Somali boys mistakenly stabbed although they weren’t involved says a lot about the safety
Am a kenyan but am just thinking,you go to london from somalia then things gets sour there then you come back in kenya....Hey!!go back to somalia and buld your country guys....you cant be hopping from one contry to another that will not solve any of your problems....
You know there are Somalis who are Kenyan by nationality remember Garissa Wajir Mandera.
@@teresangari340 i did not say somalis from kenya to london,i said somalis from somalia to london...or there are no somalis in somalia?
@@skonchy9249 sawa but how do you know that the one in this video is not from Kenya.
@@teresangari340 because they are saying somalis not kenyans...they are talking about somalis in london not kenyans in london....simple
Diana Mwenderani that is due to corruption in the immigration department. As long as there is rampant corruption huko our country will always be at risk.
Is this the main demographic involved in the violence?
on both sides
I lived in Islington for over ten years and I know this community very well. They auto segregated. You invite them to a birthday party and they don't come, you invite them to a million things and they don't take part. Many of them live for decades in the country and don't speak more than two words in English. They blame the police for stopping and search their kids, but when one is kill they ask why the police didn't do enough to stop this to happen. I believe if they can send their kids back to Africa, all the family can follow too. I had a very good friends from that community when living there, but they had very particular ways that I always thought might upset the rest of the people. They don't open much to others. They don't understand English people because they don't mix with them. I hope things in Somalia get better soon, so no mother or child has to suffer in a civilized country like the UK that opened the arms to them when they needed it the most. I am sorry if they could not adapt. Allah might help you all brothers and sisters!
@Imhotep Genius ...👍
But if you, as an English person, say you moved your child out of some multi-culturally overrun school for the same reason, you'd be called a virulent racist or bigot.
Just start giving heavy sentences to people caught with knifes, kids and all. See how hard they are when they get five year for carrying a knife in public
“They have come because they have fled conflict and war”...and they brought the war with them.
really it is a big problem when your child involves gangs violence.
I am a Somali, a muslim living in Nairobi. I have experienced a time when I was a teenager and majority of my somali agemates were in gangs right where I was brought up. They snatched phones and stabbed each other and passers-by. I have never involved myself in such acts. Why? Because I am a MUSLIM and my faith strictly prohibits such acts. For those saying that these teenagers act evil because of Islam, are the good muslims who in fact are a majority Christians? This is nothing but poor upbringing of children. Their parents don't work, they do nothing at all other than waiting for handouts from European governments. What else did you expect from idle minds? Parents have no responsibility of the kids. What do you expect from kids who can't be disciplined? You cane the kids for indiscipline and the government thinks you can't be the right parent for the kids. You are actually sued for disciplining your own child. It is your policies that have caused all this! In Africa they don't misbehave this much, we do have this kind of cases but they are majorly carried out by teenagers whose parents live abroad. Children and women are the kings and queens in your societies. You stripped of men from their responsibilities, now you got to deal with what you planted.
Lastly, for the Somali community, it is ashaming that we always choose to nurture our children in unfavourable environments. Majority claim that they need peaceful environment where kids can get better education. Where is that education now? Education is of no use in the absence of discipline! Go back home for the grass gets green whenever and wherever you irrigate it. Go back home and bring up your kids with good morals, that is much better than the university degrees you claim to have access to in foreign lands. Wake up my people for once and think of the future of the young generation.
Why live in Kenya and not Somalia?
Should put a sign up in Dover saying it’s safer where you came from.
Somali parents gave no time for their kids because they have to work in order to pay house rent and the government are not helping them
What.......
What u mean.what 😡😡
Actually, I think its good for our kids to spent at least some time in Africa to understand minimalism!
They arrived here as refugees. The concept that they can go Bach the a war zone whenever they like is insane.
@@crabapples1995 somalia is not a war zone and remeber you amde somalia this way
@@echo5935 who made it this way?
It takes a man to raise a man and growing up I never once saw a Somali father in any parents evening I ever went to. Somali mother's have tried the best to be all that they can be. They are still playing the role of father, uncle, auntie and now? Life saver. All might I add with increasingly little gratitude. What these boys are lacking is obviously a strong male role model who will show them what it means to be the head of a household. What it means to be a leader, strong and resilient in the face of a difficult world. To understand that halaal good old fashioned hard work is more rewarding to the soul instead of falling into the criminal trappings of fast money. Instead Somali women are teaching their son's to just lie back and do nothing while he is waited on hand and foot by his sisters? Who end up doing everything for them. By raising your daughter's and treating your son's like prince's Somali women are actually crushing/delaying masculine development. Your producing a generation of weak willed Somali male bums and angry hard working resentful Somali female's. Thereby altering the very fabric of our community and future.
I only hope the next generation learns from our parent's mistakes. (If there are any of our boy's left to actually grow into adulthood). We can't blame our parent's....war changes everything. No soceity that ever experienced the turmoils of war was ever the same again. We just have to learn to put the peices back together again as best as we can manage.
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh, JazaakAllahu khayran very true, alot of the fathers are sadly in cafes drinking tea, coffee etc or on the high street talking to other somali aunties, another observation also is the hooyos being indenial and making excuses for her son, not paying attention to the signs that are right there in front of you.
@@afudayl2282 not true in from Holland my mom and dad are more then 35 yrs here and every parentmeeting my dad was there my mum does the other things my dad does the school sport things so not every dad pls
@@kmhussen5304 Allahumma baarik , that's good to know brother, but if you read my comment again, in shaa Allah you will see that I wrote alot of fathers not every father.
No one is sending no one back. Fake news.
This are the same people taking gang culture in Kenya....Eastleigh
Because Kenya is an otherwise safe country with no gang crime at all. Kikuyu and Luo weren't chopping each other up with machetes just a few months ago..
@@liyanibernier5720 there are no "jungles" in Somalia
@@liyanibernier5720 😂😂😂 🇸🇴👉💪
@@bez1196 Round 2 of Chop and lynch Kenya is slated for a comeback in 2022.
Yeah
What sort of upbringing do you have to have to go out and stab someone? I wonder how many perpetrators are from single parent and abusive families?
Chemical Ollie All
Why are you not talking about the Somali refugees in Kakuma at Nairobi where the women are raped in front of their husbands and children by the Turkana people who are given guns by the Kenyan governments
we need to ask our self why this type of crimes are growing up in our communities...
I'm from south africa. and it's way worse than London
as a young black father on my channel I have been teaching my son to build computers from age 5 .. he knows all the components on his own.. I want a better life for him so I'm being the change I want to see. Sad that stuff like what I'm doing is not pushed in the media
They say they came to the UK to escape war or persecution, yet go back on holidays and send their kids back.
The war happened in the 80s/90s do your research bruv
@@user-ve3gy4vl1d it is our business, we pay the taxes that fund their lifestyle. They offer no benefit to this country.
@@bawsack69 well said
Aryan Ranger they have other kids too you know. You can’t neglect all other kids just for one. Also they left their country for a reason and if the problem was gone they wouldn’t all gone back by now but it isn’t. I’m pretty sure if they had the power to change it they wouldn’t have even come in the first place!
L M And it’s still going on. People are constantly getting bombed still. DO YOUR RESEARCH and don’t believe everything you see on the news. This is my home country and I’m pretty sure I know what is going on there more than you ever will!!
The Kenya Police should also monitor these boys who are escaping knife attacks in the UK. It could be that they are also part of criminal networks (in the UK) and may soon start terrorizing innocent citizens on the streets of Nairobi. There's definitely more to this story than what is told.
I live in eastleigh this sort of thing used to happen all the time thank fully there's this CID guy that's been executing them publicly we've had peaceful year in 2019
Gordon Ogutu your not all right in head
Cut it out DT I mean it what that good brother said makes perfect sense.
Yes bro’ gun those thugs down! No mercy on them.
This is something to do with bad parenting of Somalia parents why are other African kids safe?
It's time to back home theirs no way to be in Europ or America anymore.
you're obviously not from London.
@@dk67383 I grew up in Hendon currently live in Leeds am of African descent with male cousins still in London it comes down to parenting. Charity begins at home
@@sexyrobbins5918 the point is Somali boys are not the only victims of knife crime in London. Other African, Asian, White, Hispanic boys are also not safe. This is a London problem.
@@dk67383 this piece is specifically about Somalian boys who have had to return home to save their skins
It is not about London, toronto , Washington or Nairobi or capetown
Sumalian teenagers are the same where ever they are the whole culture must be reviewed.
teferi fuya What is ‘Sumalian’ ? Ignorant hater. Easy to spot, hide it better 🖕🏾Review your arse
@@mericanbadass5299 Honestly, I think their words need to be taken to heart. A certain mentality transcends borders and ignoring it isn't going to help anyone. In Africa itself there is a lot of gangs. Why I don't 100% know, possibly due to poverty or the goal to be flashy for some. Please don't ignore the problems in the society. Jamaica use to be a place where people also respected elders and helped each other (even parents would threaten to send their kids there) but ignoring societal issues destroyed that. If you want Somali youth to get better seek to find what makes them go bad.
Professor Rosenstock I hear you, but Somali culture goes against everything to do with gangs. It’s black culture in the West and hip hop culture they assimilate to when we come to the west. But I agree, a change is needed and that’s why these kids act right when they go back to the mother country where our culture is supreme there. Somali culture isn’t maintained properly in London, they’re influenced.
Nah. Not buying it. I understand that random stabbings do happen but you mean to tell me that all of these “boys” are void of any responsibility? These are men that got involved in drugs, just be honest. I’m from London and my parents were also from east Africa. My brothers turned out great, never been arrested or stabbed and don’t need to watch their backs because they chose to not be delinquents. Where are these guys fathers? It starts at home.
Shame we can't send all of them
you need to be sent to guantanamo
Send them to Wakanda.
To join black panther and actually do any goOd
Lol wankanda is not real 😂😂😂😂
AWResistance 😂😂😂 I’m dead
My aunt lost her son recently 💔
Sorry.
My condolences to you and your family.
I don't understand how does a child just simply get targeted? Who are these kids keeping as company? Parents how are you bringing up your kids?
stop being embarrassed and tell your parents your scared for your life and they will move you out of London or to another city or area. pride can only get you so far.
Atleast Somalis can go back home away from the social environment of violence here. Other black communities with names like Tyrone and Mike dont have this option.
Young Jamaican boys who’s fathers have left them have no option to go back home
ROLEX MAN I’m From Jamaica
The Police so you agree that the stereotype of most black men ditching their kids is true?
日本人勉強中です in previous times I do believe so yes
ROLEX MAN yes agreed
One thing I've realised is, a lot of Somali parents ain't got time for their kids, to sit down with them, to talk to them about life and everything, it happened with me and I ended up being a criminal but it I had just little attention, maybe things would be different and also the other Somali boys i know are in the same boat, no communication from the parents.
Failure of police protection + lack of awareness from the parents = increase in knife crimes. I remember back in secondary school some kid got into a fight with some other group of boys that went to another school over a football match. The 2 groups wrestled and fought one another. The next day one boy from the other school posted on snapchat that he was targeting this one particular kid that started the whole fight and a week later, that same kid was stabbed. Luckily enough, He didn’t die but when hearing about it, that’s when I learnt that for the first time in my life I had to be cautious about who I hang around with and to avoid altercations with anyone that I didn’t know
Hate to point this out but there's other safer places to live in the UK rather than London.
'British' teenagers.
Black British when convenient
British by Nationality ignorant fool
@@Ali-qx5kt WRONG dick head. Not one of you are or ever will be British. English, Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish within the Union, are British as a collective. Black, brown, yellow, or any other colour are exactly what your origins are. None of you are British.
Don't think anyone is dying to be British tbh, most immigrants regardless of whether their first or second generation take pride in their ethnicity and yearn to be back in their native land. We're only here because you needed us and there was a mutual benefit for this country and the immigrants that arrived.
Not British at all... just tribal
Where do the kids that have no other link outside the uk go when it gets to dangerous for them? Where can I send my children to keep them safe?
Smaller towns. While still in the UK, they aren't as bad as London and can have a very different atmosphere. Otherwise, assuming you have uk citizenship, use your EU right to freedom of movement now while you can before Brexit and move to a more peaceful European country such as Ireland. Nordic countries are said to be peaceful too. I was told by a Nigerian taxi driver here (Ireland) that some young Nigerians especially in the Dublin 15 area are beginning to try to copy London gangs but it's nothing close to the scale of violence in London. Racism is on the rise here but again, not as bad as London. I've a Nigerian friend who is glad he moved here after first landing in England.
Sorcha O'Reilly I'm a native Londoner, born and bred! I've seen the downfall of my peaceful and caring community and it scares the life out of me! I don't want to leave my roots and all my friends and family but I'm so, so scared for my children! I'm constantly on edge every time they leave the house, I don't want THAT knock on the door! I need to get them away from here for my own sanity and peace of mind I think.
@@kacey6490 That must be so hard. Whether you stay or move, I wish you, your family and all of London safety and peace
Sorcha O'Reilly Thank you for your kind words, I know I need to get the wheels in motion but it's more where than when! It says something when people come here for a better life and realise the grass isn't greener anymore! So sad.
That mom just said it was a British problem they’d fallen into! Omg I’m dying 😂
Insane right, got to put the blame on someone else. Also the bit where she says that they are forgotten people. All the hallmarks of people who have not agency, as if it is the responsibility of others to fix your problems.
3rd world problem
Is knife crime not a British problem?
up north it's the exact same thing just with white people
Most parents are so biased and sometimes they are the ones who support thier kids in criminal activities, when you get involve in drug/thug life be aware there are consequences. Get a diploma or something, get a decent job and live a decent life and beware of bad friends then you'll be fine.
Not every case is gang related nowadays there's alot of mistaken identity it's common problems could happen to anyone who minding they business
@@keenjournalistmo2198 minding your business at home or at work or with the wrong crowd ?
Mistaken indentity happens when you move with the wrong crowd or gangsters its easy to conclude that you belong to a rival group when you move with them, just don't move with people if you don't do the stuffs they do.
Lets say if i am in the axe gang and i see you hanging with the enemy all the time then you're one of them that's how it works , when there's war you should accept what's coming to you.
Another case is if you live in same house with a family member whose in a gang then your safety isn't assured either.
@nothing what's more important their childs life or money
@@sonofgod2656 you cant say mistaken identity doesn't happen theres alot of case of it I seen people who ain't in gang who leave university with jobs there's still a victim of this nowadays things happen those who do mind they own business driving to work and home or travelling with no gang related facts
@@sonofgod2656 this story shouldn't of broadcast it would give right wing group some power its good to be thankful
95% is from Mogadishu.
Shame on the 15year old Lander!
Don't have children if you are unable to parent.
Keep your children away from gang culture.
I have met Somali people later on in life and now I am actually counting my blessings you guys are wild.
Typical
The Somali community in the UK are 90% Isaaqs from ‘Somaliland’ this is your L.
and once they go the knife crime stops.. i wonder why.
It’s lack of parenting, lack of policing, lack of education and lack of opportunities that is driving knife crime and drug dealing and gangs. In other Asian/African/Arab etc countries you don’t run your parents, your parents will knock you the fuck out, in the UK parents have no power. The problem with this generation they don’t see civilians if your brother, cousin, your friend is in a gang your now a fair target
Honestly
You sure got a opinion for someone that's hundreds of miles away and has no idea what they're talking
About
And as usual, blaming everybody but themselves... How typical
Lol your average black is west african or bantu. Somalians are closer to Caucasians genetically
@@cryptoautomators8974 LOL
@@beatific2c check the distribution of their haplogroup idiot en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#/media/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA_II.svg
@@cryptoautomators8974 And what this has to do with the comment or the video? Lmao.
@@cryptoautomators8974 bmt Somalis are arab/white