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Broken Faith! Mansur Vs American Christian Visitor | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2017
- Brother Mansur speaks to an American Christian visitor to the park about his understanding of his faith and the role of the creator as viewed through Christianity.
Old is Gold Series
Originally recorded in 2012
The boy was sincere, and I respect him for being one who thinks. May God guise him to the truth! Inshallah!
The Trinity doctrine is the most blasphemous non-sense in history. My God my head hurts.🤦🏻♂️
Polymonothiestic
His arguments were illogical but you have to respect the Christian here for making his argument as long as he did. You could see he was sincere. Confused. But sincere. May Allah guide him and reward Br Mansur for his dawah.
This is what happens when u miss guide children in their childhood, it becomes hard to break their barrier may allah guide us to truth.
@@moink789If there's any validity in in what you say then it cuts both ways. Muslim children would be equally brainwashed. However the explanation is pretty good and rather simple for Christianity. I've been on the same topic with Muslims for probably 5 or 6 years. As soon as I demonstrate to a Muslim how strong the Christian case is then.......oops it's time to change the subject. No. Not so fast. Let's now prove how ridiculous Islam is. Then it's something like "Why don't you write to a scholar and ask those questions? I'm not a scholar." I see this again and again.
@@mlulekibb well that's a lie. Plus the leading philosophers across the world that came upon the belief that god exists, came to the conclusion of the god present in islam.
The christian case is weak at best and at worse a joke, I say a joke because even though I don't believe in christianity it hurts when I see people make fun out of what people worship.
Atheists don't have an argument for god NOT existing as at most they say I don't know, but they can easily target a god that was once a "human" or has a figure like in hindu or western gods.
Sadly even though muslims explained that god is something outside creation and we can't imagine god, in their subconscious do to media propaganda since they where kids. An image of a white god with a long white beard wearing a white robe between the clouds developed.
In islam we are to ask and question what is around us, we are a religion that supports curiosity but with dou diligence.
Btw what is the good and simple explanation for christianity and what questions about islam do you have, I'm curious. I would be happy to clear and doubts you have, even though I'm not a scholar I can ask them.
@@PoeticSonic What's the lie?
@@mlulekibb Demonstrate your case to me which supposedly the muslims you have interacted with have been deflecting from
My weekend is not the same without new uploads from Sc Dawah.
amazing dawah by brother mansur , I benefited from it , may allah give him the high ferdos in heaven , and may allah guide this guy .
The Trinity is Christianity's golden calf
And he started of so confidently
jaber haha I think you mean confidently. Confidentiality means he began secretively.
Hatem Elsharidy o yhh thanks. alot of people got what I was trying to say or do you think they actually didn't notice?
@@KingdomOfBoxing LOL yeah I am reading this in 2020 which is after you have edited your comment.. and I can confirm that I might have been thrown off by confidentiality.. I would've given you the benefit of the doubt.... So yeah.. good thing you edited it to be confidently.
@@KingdomOfBoxing 1†*†€
Christian Man: "God's forgivness is in love!! God's Wrath is in Love!!" These christians are absolutely unbelievable.
Allah forgives out of love. Allah is angered by human disobedience because of His love for his creation. There's truth in what he said, I believe, however; most people just say it or refute it, without the deeper understanding of that statement.
@@ArshadAnsari37 your statement is not true...allah only forgive those who ask for forgiveness .and no1 will enter paradise except thru gods mercy.so your statement is not correct
@ We say Mercy but it also translates to love. Mother's love and all the love in the universe has its source in Allah's Mercy. Forgiveness is result of mercy and has a requirement that one must seek forgiveness. Not seeking forgiveness is arrogance. I get what you are saying . My point is not important. I'm just open to interpretation.
This poor kid got demolished. Insha Allah he learns and begins to question further. He seems like a good hearted person.
When a christian get stuck with the trinity theory he or she would say:
" Can you understand God fully?"
which in another word means:
'our concept does not make sense, so is yours and everybody else'.
Great video.
Hamad Mutawa LOL
May Allah swt bless you Mansur!!
"God is one because the three persons in the blah de blah de blah..." 😫
This is one of the best discussion I've seen. I really respect the christian visitor coz he was trying to understand, unlike most people in that park (including people of all religions). Disagreeing after trying to understand is so much more respectful that disagreeing blindly.
To know The Almighty: *Surah Al-Ikhlas [112]*
Why in the world are these SC Christians so obsessed with "love"? The moment you hear them discuss "love", you know the next thing that's about to come out their mouth is "Trinity".
How can you KNOW Allah if Allah does not enter creation?
Yahweh is Father, Son and Holy Spirit..ONE in unity, heart and Spirit. You're mind cannot understand the spirit realm.
RIght now the Father is in Heaven, the Son ( out the Father) is seated at the right hand of the Father and His Holy Spirit is on earth and how His people can KNOW the Father - THROUGH the atonment of the Son- Jesus Christ. Jesus is the WAY to the Father. Faith , that He is Lord God is the only way to the Father. God's Holy Spirit abides in His people.
@@TheJiminiflix How can we know about Allah (swt) ? Throughout his Revelation upon his Prophets and Messengers
@@TheJiminiflix does a scientist need to become the robot he creats in order to know how it works and what are it's limits????
HE CREATED THE DAMN THING, and the same thing works for God ... he created us, he know's us better than we know ourselves ... It's baffling to me that you believe God NEEDS to try to be his creation to relate to it ... how's he all knowing and yet doesn't relate to the creation hhhhhhh
because the whole lovey dovey tone they bring into the argument is just another way to basically side track the argument from any real critical evaluation. The whole "Ohhh... well God loves you.... love this, love that, love, love love" ...is what some of them like to jump to in order to keep the conversation limited.
@@TheJiminiflix we know Allah by what he has told us about himself , how does Allah know us with out entering the creation, he created us so he knows every atom of us even before he has created us
May Allah guide this boy...ameen
"The love between the trinity is what caused God to create the Earth" ....wow, and I thought I had heard all the variations of their beliefs about God and existence. This must be the 50th explanation I've come across so far.
br Mansur jazakallah allah give you more eeman and health
Christians is upgrade version of Hindus..
He said have you heard of the Trinity to a Guy who takes it apart every week in the park.
He came to argue but listened and learned instead inshallah one day he come back and take shahadah I see potential
There was no love when they attacked Iraq for WMD. where was the love bro?
That "love" only for money, petrol,controlling others. They never liberating other nations but conquering. Muslims are the one that have that love for humanity because they liberating from past time until now, not conquering.
Where was the love? WHERE WERE THE WMD??? Lol
what, that was a christian invasion?
@@sidarthur8706 you need to read your bible where you believe God ordered Moses peace be upon Him to kill the infants of an entire nation by dashing their heads on rocks in front of their mothers just an example among many other biblical verses, not to mention the pope guided crusades or the actual christian sponsorship for zionnist terror..
Their love turn to greed....oil and interest
Very good discussion and the young man did stand his ground and did not run away.
ما شاء الله. الله يوفقكم ويجزيكم خير. حوار راقي ومثمر اتوقع بإذن الله بيرجع مره ثانيه لمنصور وان شاء الله ينطق الشهاده. ان شاء الله يقرأ القرآن.
Allah guide him
amen
The best conversation of Br mansur🍃💕🌼💕🌼🍃
Thank you mansoor Christian understanding is so weak today i have come to know.
The way he was arguing He’s pretty smart for a 18 years old, that’s impressive.
" if God is one then he can only love himself but if he is trinity then they love one another, but he is still one" what the hack? lol
كل واضحٍ مُفصح ورجل فصيح وكلام فصيح
إِذا ما الفكرُ أضمرَ حسنَ لفظٍ وأدَّاهُ الضميرُ إِلى العيانِ
ووشَّاهُ ونمنمَهُ مُسَدٍّ فَصِيحٌ بالمقالِ وباللِّسانِ
رأيتَ حُلى البَيان منوَّراتٍ تضاحكُ بينها صُورَ المعاني
جازك الله خيرا يا منصور آمين
Brother Mansur at his best AlhamduLILLAH, proof that brother Mansur sees no difference in any human being and will keep trying to take message to our brothers and sisters no matter what their upbringing. MashaALLAH. May ALLAH help him and keep him steadfast in his dawah. Ameen.
Assalaam O Alaykum Brthr Mansur. Great conversation well handled just the wsyva true muslim should, with grace respect elegance and manners. I think the answer to the young man's question "to know God" is to appreciate what he has given me and made me! A human who is superior to all other creatures and living things! The senses he has blessed us with as humans and the free will to use all our intellect knowledge and wisdom he has provided to give us a complete fruitful life to perfect and complete our life in his path to succeed to a better hereafter where we believe will live till infinity!!!
Mansoor turned him into a "atheist" 😂 lol
hahahaha ....
" except Allah " is the next step.
may Allah guide this young man.
@@saadkali3083 aameen
جزاكم الله خيرا وسدد خطاكم وجمعنا الله سويا في مقعد صدق عند مليك مقتدر ..
This kid is very confused.
ماشاء الله اخ منصور
بارك الله فيك
Evan is such a nice fellow, I enjoyed listening their conversation.
Br. Mansur, your knowledge and standards are higher than street discussions. Please find better platform and exposure for yourself. however,i know even this effort is better for the sake of ALLAH SWT.
Maasha Allah may Allah guide him...
he seems sincere but i felt like he was trying his hardest to find a flaw. very illogical questions that im pretty sure he wouldn't even ask his priest. i ask allah to guide these types of people inshallah.
Masha'Allah it's beautiful to see Dawah
In Shaa Allah this guy accept Islam.
Barak'Allahu Feek bro Mansur.
Obeying Allah has 3 level of ikhlas in in. 1-Obeying because of Fear of his punishment 2-Obeying because of Reward He promised and the Highest level of Ikhlas Obeying Allah because of Love for Him by knowing our status as His servant and Him as our creator
Beautiful Idea
You can really hear the frustration in his phone through the debate. I like how mansur pushes people to really intellectually think and review in their own head mid conversation that their beliefs don’t really line up
Young man is so confused even he cant understand what he believes...
Glad to see a young man seeking the truth .
You can love & fear your parents at the same time. Easy & simple.
yes but your father is not your mother
So in order for God to have the ability to love he has to have someone to love?
May Allah guide him.
Ameen
Maa Shaa Allaah
love doesn't necessitate division, it's the overcoming of division and expansion of the ego. when my ego includes you then i love you
Islam is a balance between obeying God out of love but also fearing his wrath because he is just. God is oft-forgiving and merciful which gives the one who has fear to also have hope along with the love but it all depends on the one being tested - it's your own duty and freewill to ask forgiveness sincerely - life is a test after all.
17:04 the true meaning of confusion lol
christians dont understand gods justice and how do they show love to god ?
mik7233 Jesus did not become the only begotten son of God until the 3rd century, when the Catholic Church created the Holy Trinity. Jesus was a prophet before that time and ALL who believed in the 1 true God were referred to as daughters and sons of God.
mik7233 I bet you eat pork, drink and participate in gambling
confused young man. but he looks nice may Allah guide this young man insyaAllah . keep asking questions and keep seeking truth boy
Mia Zaheeya confused but he looks nice??? That’s a weird comment
nice conversation
i am just at 4th minute of the video... and cant stop laughing!
Trinity in a nutshell:
Jesus is the son of god.
Jesus is god.
God is angry or wants to forgive people for their sins but still be Just (ie punish someone).
So he sends down his son.
Cause obvi u should punish ur son when someone else does a mistake. OBVIOUSLY.
But jesus is god.
So the father sends down himself.
Cause why not punish ur human clone, right?
Anyway jesus or son of god or god is born.
Mary is breastfeeding jesus.
Mary is breastfeeding god.
The one who created her breast is suckling of her breast.
Cause why not.
The creater of the world obvi has to go through all these things to forgive people.
The son grows up and eats and drinks and sleeps like normal humans.
Obvi preparing to die.
He reminds people about the commandments and tells them to stay away from many sins.
But who cares.
Cause he is gonna die for their sins anyway.
So let them do whatever they want to right.
He tells them to pray to god PROSTRATING.
But why not tell them to prostrate to himself cause he is god right?
Someone asks him about the final hour.
He said he doesnt know, the angels in the heaven dont know.
Only the father knows.
The father is god.
But jesus is god.
Why did one part of god not have some information the other one does.
What about the holy spirit?
The son dies on the cross asking why god would abandon him.
But he is god.
So he is having a chat with himself while he dies.
Jesus dies.
For the sins of the people so god, ie jesus can forgive them.
So he is dying to protect the people of his own wrath.
So The son of god dies.
But he is also god, so god dies
I mean god is killed by humans.
Or did god not know that was gonna happen?
So that means jesus or son of god or God committed suicide.
God was dead for some time.
Who was taking care of everything?
The father.
Who is that?
God.
But jesus died.
But he is the son of god.
Who is jesus?
God.
The reason why we cannot understand the nature of god through trinity is because it isnt the truth.
It isnt fitrah (natural inclination) of humans to understand this as we are born believing in one true creator to whom we should submit.
so Trinity is something that just doesnt make sense to our soul.
May The God guide us all.
Mozinwrath so god created humans knowing they will sin. He sends his son (?) who is also god to be tortured and killed for someone else’s sin. God sends himself to die for the sins of humans. Justice. Love. Logic. Right?
Lollll
In the Quran there is a verse which says that the punished ones on the judgement day will be the ones who simply refused to listen to logic during their lifetime...they were adamant to listen to the common sense! If they only listened! Allah is one and seamless... So how can he give birth to anyone?! If they only listened or at least were rational enough..
@Mozinwrath Why is it that the main doctrine of christianity so hard to understand?! I mean I cant make sense of what youre trying to say here! Why cant you just be convinced that Jesus was a prophet of God? I mean whyyyyy nottttt? Whats so wrong about that?! He will still be sacred and holy just like he is to us muslims... We love him and cherish him as a prophet NOT a god nor a son of God. He is mentioned in the Quran by name 25 times which is 20 times more than prophet Mohameds name.. and all his mentions are praise. What the hell is wrong with you christians?! Thinkkkkk for Allahs sake. Besides, how do u expect me to follow Jesus when he is a spirit in a form of a man?! I just cant because I need a man like me to follow... Prophet Mohammed was merely a human being just like me.. he got married and had children and lived his life just like a normal human being; now this is what I can follow as an example because he had similar nature as mine, and I dont need no body to die for my sins... Im accountable for my actions.......Fair enough! One last thing...did u read the old testament? The disgraceful part in it about prophet Lut having sex with his two daughter! U call that a holy book?! U want me to read this to my children? Even in the bible there are parts which are disgraceful.... Unlike the Quran.
@Mozinwrath we warship Mohammed?! Mohamned is dead, and we dont even have a single drawing of him! Besides, it would have been much easier for him to verify christian false belief about Jesus; he wouldnt have been opposed severely by the Jews in his time! What do you know about Mohammed? We know hes gone and can do us no good nor harm...we do cherish him and very grateful to him...but thats it... No more. He is not god nor the son of god...he was a just messenger from god.... unlike u who still cannot figure out what Jesus exactly is!!!!
It didn't even reach 1 minute and this guy is already back peddling.
1:55 - 2:35
He submerged in thinking till 16 minutes! And that is good
Ma sha Allah brother Mansor
If “god” has no beginning &
“Son of god” has no beginning
How “god” have relationship with “son of god”
😦
@The Unitarian
Or maybe Christians after Paul misunderstand and twist his words,
we can't be sure that Paul present Christianity like what we see today.
Otherwise when we read Paul words we found god the father is the god and he never mention Christ as god he mentioned him as a Lord
and we don't really know what happen after Paul
LOVE, FEAR & HOPE
One of the most beautiful things about the concept of worship in Islam is the truly unique way in which it incorporates the feeling of love, fear and hope within the hearts of the worshippers of Allah. Understanding how to combine these three qualities into the worship (ibadah) of Allah is one of the most essential things that every Muslim must grasp, not least because every sect which has drifted from the Straight Path has strayed in the aspect of worship. The deviation of the other religions in this regard is clear for all to see: "God is love! Jesus is love!" say the Christians, denying the fact that Allah should be feared too. As for the Jews, their hearts were filled only with hope; hope that the Fire will never touch them, since they were the "Promised People".
In Islam however, no worship is complete without the presence of all three qualities: love of Allah, hope in His Mercy and fear of His Punishment. Contemplate the opening Surah of the Qur'an - Surah al-Fatihah - and you will see this for yourself.
Ayah 1: "All praise [and thanks] is for Allah, Rabb of all the worlds."
In this opening ayah (verse) of the Qur'an, we have LOVE of Allah and every time we recite this ayah we are testifying to our love for Allah. How is that you ask?
It is because in the ayah, we are acknowledging that Allah is our Rabb and the Rabb of all the worlds. Rabb is usually translated as 'the Lord', but this translation does not do justification to this name of Allah and all the meanings this name carries. In reality, Rabb means that Allah is the Creator of everything; He sustains and nourishes everything; He gives life and Death; anything good that we have is from Him; everything is dependant on Him and nothing can happen unless He wills it. Furthermore, for the Muslims He - the Rabb - in the One who has guided us to the Truth and given us good morals and manners.
Thus when we testify that Allah is our Rabb, then we are acknowledging that He is the One who has given us so many blessings - so many that if we try to enumerate His blessings, we would be unable to do so. So how could we not but LOVE Him?
After all, we all love those who show kindness towards us or present us with gifts. And therefore the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam encouraged the exchange of gifts between Muslims because it helps to strengthen ties and develop love for one another. He sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said, "Give gifts to one another, you will come to love one another." [Collected by Imam al-Bukhari in al-Adab al-Mufrad and declared hasan by al-Albani in al-Irwa' (1601)]
So imagine the LOVE we should have for our Rabb who has given us everything: nice families, shelter, security, food, health and above all the Guidance of Islam and the Sunnah. We should be overwhelming in our love for Him. That is why we praise Him and thank Him and say, "All praise (and thanks) is for Allah, Rabbil-'alameen."
Ayah 2: "The Rahman (Merciful) and the Rahim (Mercy-Giving)."
In the first ayah of Surah al-Fatihah, Allah mentioned He was the Rabb. In this ayah two more of His Beautiful Names are mentioned: ar-Rahman and ar-Rahim. Ar-Rahman means that He is the Most Merciful. Ar-Rahim means that He is the Giver of Mercy, in other words His actions are full of Mercy and He shows Mercy to His creation [As explained by Ibn al-Qayyim (d. 751H) in Bada'i al-Fawa'id].]
When we mention these two names of Allah, then we have HOPE. Since He is the One who is full of Mercy, and we hope He will forgive our mistakes and shortcomings. We should never loose hope, because Allah says in the Qur'an, "O My slaves, who have transgressed against themselves! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, Verily Allah forgives all sins (except sins). Truly He is Oft-Forgiving, the Most Merciful." [Al-Qur'an 39: 53]
The need to have FEAR in our worship is shown by the next ayah of Surah al-Fatihah.
Ayah 3: "King/Master of the Day of Judgement."
When we recite this ayah, we remind ourselves of the Day of Judgement - that awful Day, when all of humanity shall stand before Allah naked, uncircumcised and barefooted. People will appear drunk though they are not. On that Day, every person will stand before Allah and account for his sins, knowing that not even the smallest action which he did is hidden from Allah: "So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom, shall see it. And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom shall see it." [Al-Qur'an 99:7-8]
So when we recite this third ayah of Surah al-Fatihah, we remind ourselves of this Judgement and accountability and that should bring about in us a sense of fear - that maybe our evil actions will be too great and we will be responsible for them - May Allah protect us from such a fate. Then the next verse goes on to say: "You alone we worship." i.e. we single out Allah for our worship. And how do we worship Him? With LOVE, HOPE and FEAR. And in order to achieve these qualities, we need Allah's assistance, so we say then, "We seek Your Aid."
MA SHA ALLAH MANSUR YOU BROKE HIM SO CLEARLY
😂😂bro I can see the boy brain 🧠 is about to explode
I like how people used to listen more than they talk in the past 👍🏻
this guy sincere
this Christian guy was at least honest in his discussion
16:06 hahaha, he agrees 1+1+1 = 1
"sometimes God is impractical"
example: "Nipples"...i laughed so hard at this that i almost fell out of my chair. xD
great logical reasoning as usual
He is in shock he cant expain the foundition of his religion.
I would say this young handsome christian is polite, well manner, calm but he is little bit nervous when Hashim asking the concept of trinity however he is striving to give explanation based on his knowledge. I really appreciate his courage to discuss with Hashim without shouting n loud voice.
He think God just like human....
God didnt need HIS creations love at all.... Human really need to love God for human benefit it self... God always mercyfull....
One thing this Christian man doesn't understand is that God is not ONLY LOVING, He is Strict n punishment, Most Just, Most Gracious, Most Merciful and other attributes that we love and that we fear about Him. We fear His wrath and punishment but we know and love that His mercy is greater than His wrath
You got this kid questioning everything now 🤣🤣🤣
God have the power to forgive but create a human as a illusion of dying on the Cross and realived and himself bacame God whom needing God to bring God back all the while God is already there but why God needs God saved from dying when God is to later be forgotten and the later "saved" God is to be called God
trinity destroys the intlect of people :DD
If god is alone and no one to love, he will depressed..haha..what a joke.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was god through him everything was made without him nothing was made that has been made.
richard mason your word die, what’s your point? 🙄
that hair tho LOL
(18:104) Those whose effort goeth astray in the life of the world, and yet they reckon that they do good work.
Wow now that is wisdom on another level only God knows when Judgement day is Not Jesus or any messengers or prophets of God ......let's hope those listener's are hearing well no speeches like that out there may heaven's bless speaker and those listening....
the love defines if he is a god or not? wow I must be a god as well because I'm so loving and I love others
the meaning of Fear to God.... is Fear in the good way....
Ex : I fear to God will not love me... so I try so hard to always obey Gods guide...
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Part 2 ?
Allah said in 7th century that ISA was not crucified. What was allah doing for 600 years when crucification of Jesus Christ was preached and millions believed?
Thaqwa have a great meaning ..
More knowledge by watching those videos Alhamdollah. Ramadan Mubarak
Ya Allah ya Rabb. Buka hati dan fikiran kami untuk lebih mengenal Mu Tuhan yang Maha Esa. Hilangkan lah doktrin yang membuat kami merendahkan Mu wahai Tuhan kami yang Maha Kuasa atas segala sesuatu.
Aamiin 🤲🏻
Love is their religion.
3:07 I love that finger there. That's fitrah that God is one eventhough he has agenda that it's more.
He so confused. In the end Mansur ask him " Do you have quran at home?" He said Yes I do. Bu look like his body language telling the opposite.
He is so full of it at first , But when He doesnt know how to answer Mansoor's question. He said : I'm Just 18 Y.o. Listen man, it's not the number of your age even when you are 81 y.o. you couldnt answer it.
Ma'asa Allah very good
But you don't know how to end.
Should be tell him how to revert to way of life.
God has his attributes and man has his, and these are the opposite. When you understand this, it becomes easier to distinguish God and pitiful man. But this does not understand many people, regrettably.
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ANDERSSON
Everyone one comes with different stories, that confused me always.
Oh, poor boy!!!