Yes. If you see a ball on ground, rational explation/claim of that ball on ground will be that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker. Irrational explanation/claim will be that ball on ground came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or that ball on ground always existed. We know that ball on ground had to come into existence from a creator/maker of that ball even though we never met that creator/maker, spoke to or seen that creator/maker. Believing that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker regardless of we never met/seen that creator/maker, it's not same as believing in unicorn/other fictional characters. Now think of this expanding ball of universe. Its rational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence from creator/maker (Allah). Its irrational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or this expanding ball of universe always existed. Allah is creator of this expanding ball of universe. It only makes sense that creator of this expanding ball of universe sent messengers to us and guide us. Prophet Muhammad PBUH claimed to be messenger of Allah(creator of everything/everyone) therefore Prophet Muhammad (messenger of Allah) PBUH was either (1) telling the truth, (2) lying or (3) delusional/crazy. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains has to be the truth, no matter how improbable. Watch video of "hamza speakers corner", hamza explains it really well that he couldn't have been (2) lying because Prophet was persecuted, attempted assassinations for claiming to be messenger of Allah and offered large amount of wealth if prophet worship idols and say he wasn't messenger of Allah and Prophet refused and noone will lie to inflict self harm and make enemies. Prophet couldn't have been (3) delusional/crazy because prophet Muhammad PBUH is most influential man that has ever lived or that will ever live in history of humanity and delusional/crazy person cannot influence anyone. 4th variable that Christians like to bring up that Prophet Muhammad was influenced by satan and Hamza from speakers corner debunks that too, it's actually Christianity that is influenced by satan.
I am not a Muslim but I enjoy Mansur's strong philosophy about the creator, he is appealing to the argument of nothingness which resonates with most people.
He is appealing to this argument because this is in the qur'an. Allah speaks to atheist and agnostic by asking a question: "Is it that they are created by none, or are they themselves the creators?" "Or have they created the heavens and the earth? No, but they are sure of nothing." Surah 52 verse 36-37 "Sure of nothing" is agnosticism. And about "create out of nothing" or "create themselves" is the argument Mansur uses! Allah is the best one to prove his own existence 😉
If you see a ball on ground, rational explation/claim of that ball on ground will be that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker. Irrational explanation/claim will be that ball on ground came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or that ball on ground always existed. We know that ball on ground had to come into existence from a creator/maker of that ball even though we never met that creator/maker, spoke to or seen that creator/maker. Believing that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker regardless of we never met/seen that creator/maker, it's not same as believing in unicorn/other fictional characters. Now think of this expanding ball of universe. Its rational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence from creator/maker (Allah). Its irrational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or this expanding ball of universe always existed. Allah is creator of this expanding ball of universe. It only makes sense that creator of this expanding ball of universe sent messengers to us and guide us. Prophet Muhammad PBUH claimed to be messenger of Allah(creator of everything/everyone) therefore Prophet Muhammad (messenger of Allah) PBUH was either (1) telling the truth, (2) lying or (3) delusional/crazy. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains has to be the truth, no matter how improbable. Watch video of "hamza speakers corner", hamza explains it really well that he couldn't have been (2) lying because Prophet was persecuted, attempted assassinations for claiming to be messenger of Allah and offered large amount of wealth if prophet worship idols and say he wasn't messenger of Allah and Prophet refused and noone will lie to inflict self harm and make enemies. Prophet couldn't have been (3) delusional/crazy because prophet Muhammad PBUH is most influential man that has ever lived or that will ever live in history of humanity and delusional/crazy person cannot influence anyone. 4th variable that Christians like to bring up that Prophet Muhammad was influenced by satan and Hamza from speakers corner debunks that too, it's actually Christianity that is influenced by satan.
@@Davij18 your way of doing dawah is not good. First of all this guy never said he is interested in Islam. Secondly your example about the ball in the ground is not a good example. Thirdly it is USELESS to talk about our prophet if he still doesn't believe in God. In other words you are too fast.
@@patrickcarter8762 that is your opinion but I have debated a lot of atheists before I became a Muslim and thanks to Allah, I overcame atheist every single time. Firstly, you're supposed to teach about Islam or at least about 1 true GOD (creator of everything and everyone) even if they are not interested about GOD, you're supposed to make them question about GOD. Secondly, how is ball on ground not a good example, do you have a better example than ball on ground? I'm only stating reality of nature and reality of nature is that 'something can only come into existence from someone, something can never come into existence by itself/automatically, from nothing and something couldn't have always been there'. I can give billions of examples of things coming into existence from someone that you in witness, noone can give me example of 1 thing coming into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing that you can witness. Thirdly, it's never useless to tall about GOD or prophet of GOD, it's always good to talk about GOD and messenger of GOD to anyone, regardless of who they are. You didnt realize that I proved that GOD exists before I talked messenger of GOD, prophet Muhammad PBUH.
Jijo Osmam Forget that Day, that's on another level altogether. What we all need to worry about is what happens to us from our first night in the grave till that Day. That's not going to be an easy trial for any of us.
PeaceBeUnto You . thanks for reminding me the grave that's scary too. they look like they have no fear or they hiding well. I fear myself sometimes and fear for others
Bhalavan2034 Srikanthan the quran... God told us in the quran.. There will be a day where the test will finish and everybody will get their reward or punishment of what they did in this world.
Brad is actually so sweet and genuine. He clearly understands logic of creation theory and is interested in educating himself, not just going with the norm.
ALLAHS MIRACLE ALLAH MIRACLE The quran was written in 7th century Arabic. The Quran is the meaning and it is not confined to one language. The purpose is to understand and it can be in any language including anyone's mother tongue. Al hayat” (life), 145 times; “al mawt” (death), 145 times“al-dunya” (mundane life), 115 times; “al akhira” (the afterlife), 115 times“malaika” (angels), 88 times; “shayatin” (demons), 88 times“ar rajul (man), 24 times; “al mar’a (woman), 24 times“as salihat (good deeds), 167 times; “as sayya’at” (wrong doings), 167 times“qul” (say), 332 times; “qalu” (said), 332 times“an nas” (people), 50 times; “an nabiya” (prophets), 50 times“al muslimat” (Muslim women), 41 times; “al muslimin” (Muslim men), 41 times"yawma-izhin" (That day), 70 times; "qiyama" (Judgment day), 70 times"dunya" (near), 115 times; "akhira" (far), 115 times"shitaa" (winter), 1 time; "sayf" (summer), 1 time"Isa" (Yahushua), 25 times; "Adam", 25 times Iblis the devil is mentioned 11 times and seek refuge from iblis the devil is mentioned 11 times. Belief and disbelief 17 times Clay (teen and sperm (nutufa 112 times (how ALLAH says he made us) Charity (zakat and blessings (baraka same amount of times. The words "Sea" and "Land" are used 32 and 13 times respectively in the Quran. 32 plus 13 equals 45, and the two words make up 71.1 and 28.9 percent respectively of those 45. These percentages roughly correspond to what we today know the proportion of the Earth's surface made up of water and land to be."Human being" is used 65 times: the sum of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same: al-Fatihah in itself has 7 verses, 3.5 dedicated towards our praise of the Omnipotent, and the next 3.5 dedicated towards our prayers to the Omnipotent.The words “salawat” (prayers) and "aqimis-salah" (establish prayer) are mentioned 5 times in the Quran, the same as the number of mandatory daily prayers.The word "alwan" (colors) is written 7 times, the same as the number of colors of the rainbow.The words "samawat" + "sab" (heavens + seven) are written together 7 times, the same as the number of heavens described in the Quran.There are 365 days in a year. The word "yawm" (day in singular) is written exactly 365 times. Muslims circumambulate around the Qibla, seven times during pilgrimage. The word ‘Qibla’ is used in the whole Quran exactly seven times: 2:142:8, 2:143:15, 2:144:8, 2:145:10, 2:145:14, 2:145:18, and 10:87:12" th-cam.com/video/Fb92bx1kYYU/w-d-xo.html www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_in_the_Quran&ved=2ahUKEwjC8KWIgbjxAhULQEEAHThcBFwQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw0fvhfLuAaW4M9JHqnXti5h&cshid=1624803774708
Allah said 'havent we shown you enough?' The proof is all around you. You just need to think more in it start by breaking the barrier of disbelieving that you built and see the world in another perspective. The proof is all around you. It how beautiful it is the power of allah.
Hasooni arrogant young people. It’s all about Ego in the end. I was arrogant like that guy in blue. There was one point in my life I was skeptical about God, having doubts even though I am a muslim and I did some research. Basically no one knows why we’re here and what’s our objective ultimate purpose in life that ALL human beings should follow. I went everywhere(including uneducated muslims) and see no one has an answer for this fundamental important question in life. There’s a lot of assumptions, speculations and even I don’t know or I don’t care. There’s no definitive answer at all until Islam of course and Alhamdulillah that I rediscovered Islam again on my own and I’m really thankful to Allah for making me a muslim but I wasn’t an educated muslim. Once I study more about my own religion, it just makes sense. From that point, I learn to let go of my Ego since it wouldn’t help me to gain more knowledge. I know for a fact that human knowledge is absolutely limited and flawed in some cases but nevertheless it’s not perfect at all. Basically I surrendered myself knowing my flaws and limits, to the One that knows Everything Allah.
How confidently the blueshirt guy brings arguments and when Mansoor demolishes or asks him question about his arguement, he smartly constantly excuses that "I'm not good at it" lol and constantly switches subject .
Very informative debate, so much I have learned from this. Thanks to Brother Mansur for his wise discussions. Thanks for recording and sharing it with us. Salute
@19 December 19 tell that to a vegan. Pfftt... I'm a vegan from time to time for health reason. Even I found a SJW Vegan is nonsensical. They literally sent death threats to somebody opposing them which destroying their own purpose in veganism morality. It's hilarious. Please don't associate our-self with them. It is a waste of time.
According to what these vegans said "if God comes down and says he's God then they would believe"! Hold on a second, did the animals tell them they are suffering, and they are being "slaughtered"? Why do they believe animals are suffering? Everyday I learn something new, endless twists and turns from Atheists, Christians, and now vegans.
How do you know? Maybe the dog says don't kick me or I will bite you next time. I know it's ridiculous, but you have to seen things from a logical point of view.
What, eight people agree with you? Hahahha that's pretty flimsy. How many people are there in the world? I'll make it easy for you..more than 7.5billion!! Now go back to dream land, legend in your own lunch box!
@@andrewlockett4569 I just love how your soo serious, It's a joke my friend, calm down! 😂😂🤣😁 I don't know what they do at home, so it's not meant to be taking 100%. I know, I know, I said 100% in my comment, but lets just say 90% sure they eat hamburgers.😂😂🤣😁
I'm always comming back to this video, May Allah bless Brother Mansur, such a great person, and may Allah increase him in ranks. And may Allah guide the other people listening to him. The gentalmen holding"using animals is unnecessary..." poster was such a good listener.And very respectful, may Allah guide him.
Mansur! What a demonstration ❤️❤️❤️ may Allah bless you with more & more knowledge so that Islam would/should be spread all over the globe Insha Allah.! Stay blessed rise & shine.!
these guys are crazy... if they are consenting with any affects to their body its ok??? so when someone asks you to help assist in their suicide ITS OK. what the hell is happening
It is a human flaw to believe in a "start" and an "end" because these are universal truths to us as we are born and as we die. There is no start and there is no end.
Take, for example, the lion, did you see how when he eats his prey he eats it completely, I mean he does not separate the skin from the body or intestine, but eats as it is. When we eat, we do not eat hair, blood or bones. Those who eat meat do not care about the cleanliness of the animal you eat and eat with insects, worms and parasites. Human is more interested in cleaning food before eating it. Therefore, the Creator is knowing Adam how to eat animals. The Quran confirms this. Chapter (16) Al-Nahl and the cattle that he created for you. In them the warmth and [many] benefits, of whom you eat.The killing of the object, whoever it was; great in God, killing is the only haraam that is repeated twice in the Koran, and analysis of eating meat of the beast came directly from God is a sign of the greatness of this matter, when we say in the name of God before slaughter we point out that God is allowed to kill This object.Finally they do not believe in the Creator who created everything wisely. Therefore they can not accept it.
Alex Xela Alex Xela 6 months ago According to what these vegans said "if God comes down and says he's God then they would believe"! Hold on a second, did the animals tell them they are suffering, and they are being "slaughtered"? Why do they believe animals are suffering? Everyday I learn something new, endless twists and turns from Atheists, Christians, and now vegans. 9 Jojo speaker Jojo speaker 6 months ago Because if you kick a dog it screams and shows fear... so is that suffering or? ofc they can suffer Alex Xela Alex Xela 6 months ago (edited) How do you know? Maybe the dog says don't kick me or I will bite you next time. I know it's ridiculous, but you have to seen things from a logical point of view. 1
They keep repeating that plants are not sentient...really? Then how do you explain why certain plants open up whenever sunshine hits them? and at night they close up? How do you explain the death of a plant when there is no water provided?
I know you're just ignorant and trying to sound smart, but I'll address this anyway. No vegans think that it's wrong for a lion to kill their prey because lions are carnivores and require meat to survive. Lions live in the wild and are part of the natural food chain. Humans have nothing to do with the food chain at this point in time. That's very obvious when you look at the fact that we get our food from supermarkets, not by roaming the Savannah.
keirabryson I have chickens that can survive perfectly on bugs, seeds, nuts etc yet they still choose now and again to peck each other to death and eat each-other or eat their young chicks who’ve just hatched. So what? Where’s the consent there. Rats are fine eating fruits and veg yet they still eat kill and eat meat. If lions eat meat by nature fair enough, dogs and cats eat meat from nature yet people still put their pets on a vegan diet
In order to ask a plant for consent you would have to assume the plant is a conscious being. Science has not proven this if it has please give me some evidence thanks.
Firstly, You are denying a plant's right to life. Why does consciousness even matter? This reminds me of how armies go into the battlefield and see the enemy as "non-human". "They aren't human, so we can kill them". And as you say "They aren't conscious beings, so we can kill them". Secondly, A plant can sense when a caterpillar is eating one of its leaves. It then releases a mustard oil type substance to repel the caterpillar. Do you know what that shows? It shows that the plant does not consent to being eaten by the caterpillar. Consent does not have to be verbal, it can also be non-verbal. Thirdly, Ever wonder why fresh cut grass has a distinct smell? Its a chemical signal so other grass plants know something "dangerous" is going on. They clearly don't like being cut, and do not consent to it. SO, what makes you think they are happy to be eaten by you? "They aren't conscious beings, so we can kill them, even though there are clear signs showing resistance to being killed".
Good argument. For your first paragraph consciousness matters because if it is not conscious of it's life then I would not consider it aware of life and that maybe possibly there is not an actual being within the plant. Have you ever fainted or went unconscious. I have seen people lose consciousness and faint and hit table tops and then the next day tell me they never felt anything hitting anything because they were unconscious. Just like when you are unconscious under the knife in surgery. A dog is conscious you know this because when you swing a bat to a dog it will back away showing it does not like this kind of behaviour of harm same with any animal. You are assuming there is an entity a being within that plant and if there is we can go even further as to can they feel pain without a neurological system all beings to our knowledge need this to feel pain. I have looked at these in depth and it is very interesting that a plant gives of gas like material when being eaten. The question you have to ask is if this is stimuli natural evolutionary reaction to it being ripped apart or this plant actually knowing something is ripping it apart(therefore consciousness). I would not assume the latter because there are many plants that when touched simply close this in reaction to stimuli and gasses that makes it closes there are some things in nature that are programmed to do this this does not mean they are aware of you touching it. NOW THIS IS A KEY POINT. The studies that were done of caterpillar sounds were of university students playing caterpillar sounds there was no release of mustard oils due to simply the sounds. However when they played the sounds and then put caterpillars on the plants there was more release of mustard oils than if the plant had a caterpillar put on it without the sounds. So in essence there conclusion was they played caterpillar sounds to plant A that heard the sounds of the caterpillars(releasing no mustard oils) vs Plant B that didn't hear the sound. Now when a caterpillar was placed on both plant A and Plant B, plant A had produced more mustard oils than plant B. This study is not concrete or conclusive how did these students measure the amount of mustard oils being emitted? Remember scientists make mistakes all the time Einstein published so many articles in his time to the scientific community only to be disproved by other scientists of his time having to take his publications away from the scientific community. These are students from a university who have done this study and are also human beings. Fresh cut grass does have a nice distinct fresh smell but until it is scientifically and conclusively proven with concrete evidence that this indicates consciousness your statement cannot hold true. It could simply be that the roots of the grass are more fresh and new than that at the top the deeper the roots the more nutrients the more smell. I have only experienced that one in person not read articles on it, so if I am off here give me some articles on what you are talking about. The scientific community today is not conclusive on the issue that plants feel or are conscious. In fact it is like half and half. Half the scientific community states they are conscious and feel pain without conclusive studies and the other half states that it is not conscious and does not feel pain without conclusive studies either. As for eating plants I personally do not eat plants I eat the fruit of the plant so even if they were alive I still do not harm them on a personal level.
Just imagine how desperate and helpless that person may be who agrees to be used for a potentially risky medical experiment to get paid in return.. and these people are saying it ok if that person suffers because he/she consented... how can they even talk about morality having opinions like this?
I dont get why mansur if bringing up these stupid arguments, its simple... We can live without animals nowadays so why would you contribute to killing of innocent animals. If you are a compassionate man of god, you wouldnt want animals to die if its not necessity. Mansur even says that its wrong
Why religion and God gets brought in, is because once you believe in God, then as eating animals is permitted, then as a result it's fine to do so. Objective morality.
raxmaxify how do you know? there have been studies proving that plants feel pain. Just because we can’t hear them doesn’t mean they don’t feel so you’re assuming they don’t feel is because you don’t see them crying out honestly it’s a weak assumption
@Big Boy the complexity of earth is explained by evolution. I know what you are trying to say, but there is a naturalistic explanation for complexity so why posit a supernatural being?
@Big Boy DNA is not information in the sense that minds envision the term. If you're interested, there's a good video by bdw5000 called "the genetic information argument debunked".
@Big Boy did you watch the video? We conceptualise DNA as information but in reality it is a biochemical phenomenon, not an information phenomenon. The molecular structure of the DNA merely copies itself. It self-replicates, often copies itself incorrectly and mutates. DNA does not depend upon a mind, it is a biochemical process.
@Big Boy I'd recommend reading Dawkins "the blind watchmaker". In terms of DNA, it is a self replicating structure that began in a much more simple form of RNA, it isn't information, its a biochemical structure that copies itself. Complexity in biology is the result of natural selection and environmental pressures and forces. I'm not an expert, but a I find evolution to be fascinating.
لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ حَتَّىٰ يَرَوُا الْعَذَابَ الْأَلِيمَ (Mufti Taqi Usmani) They will not believe in it until they will see the painful punishment (quran.es.db) -Capítulo Los Poetas, Versículo 201
I can't explain evolution because i'm not an evolutionary biologist, and i can't explain the beginning because i'm not a physicist, yet, i believe in both, i'll leave you to speculate as to what is and what isn't rational...
That guy with the blue shirt just came in the conversation and took it to the animals while mansur was telling him about God and at the end this blue shirt guy left WHAT A WEIRD LEGEND
They refuse to torture other animals but accept if someone would be tortured by their own consent.. Well vegans are human with animals but unhuman to their fellow humans.. 👏👏👏👏👏 Job well done 😄
That our existence depends on eating another living organism is seen through all living organisms from the tiny amoeba to human beings... The consent thing is based on the natural design of dependence of all organisms to another one as designed by God, thus, when God has already inform us that we may eat them, only need to care enough to kill them in such a way that they do not too much pain
Mansur is one clueless individual. Claiming that plant experience the same pain than animals is utter nonsense. Plants don't even have a nervous system.
nice-new according to researchers at the institute for applied physics at the university of bonn in germany,Plants release gases that are equivalent of crying out of pain. without brain and nerve plants stii can feel pain!
Joanne Lee >>> No, they can't. They react by mechanism but don't suffer or feel any form of emotion. The same way you cannot resurrect someone with slices of beef, despite what Islam claim. By this logic a Jam Sandwich feels pain too. So here is an experiment you can try for yourself, by way of : (1) Take a jam sandwich. (2) Place a powerful microphone along side it. (3) Stamp on the sandwich. (4) Analyse your audio recording. Hey you will find that when you jumped on the sandwich there was a rapid expulsion of air and jam and the is audible as "squish" noise. Ergo the Sandwich was alive, and screamed with pain.... Saying "Researchers say" is utterly stupid. Scientists do not speak with one voice. At the very least you should have said "i have found a scientist who believes that.....". Can you give me "one" serious study on the suffering of plants in the last 15 years, that was well received by the scientific community and approved ?
Mahfuz Ahmed >>> Plants don't "cry" because they don't feel pain. They don't feel pain because they don't have a nervous system. It's a "mechanism of self-preservation" (gas / enzyme / ...) not an actual feeling.
Evolution cant make a smartphone by randomness over billions of years from plastic, metals, glass and silicons. But these atheists are thinking about a living being just appeared by evolution. As a living creature, how could they deny the Creator?
There is a difference between "Belive" and "Knowing Things". You can say "I have two hands"or "I belive that I have two hands". You say that "I believe there is God"But you cannot say that "I know there is God". If someone is believing upon something that you don't know and another person don't believe upon that, it means that they both are in the same place because they are believing upon something that they don't know. Think that..............................
%:53 If there is no Creator, there should be nothing in existence, no god, no creator, there should be absolutely nothing..we shouldnt even be here discussing"
To say that humans canine teeth can’t chew/tear through flesh, he is completely wrong. Also, the vegan continues to bring up reasons to support his arguments and then immediately says that he’s not an expert in them. He also continuously moving the goalpost for god arguments. And how can these people stand there and talk about the rights of animals but then say that humans should not be allowed to their right to breed? They say because there are too many humans, but if animals aren’t used as god then they will overpopulate the earth as well. The people seem not to use the brain Allah has given them.
@@nassax7741 We are Omnivores leaning towards herbivores (which is why we have hands and not paws with sharp claws) we can process meat but it's not the optimal diet for a human being. Do the research yourself, you're on the internet!
Topspeedsnaker The beauty in our creation is, we are designed to consume willingly both meat, plants and fish. We are not only designed to consume JUST plants.
islam is the only religion who is good to animals animals who are in bad conditions are not halal in Islam, human beings are allowed to use animals, but only if the rights of the animals are respected. The owner of an animal must do everything to benefit the animal. If the owner fails to perform their duties for the animal, nobody else has the right to use the animal. The duties humans have to animals in Islam are based in the Quran, Sunnah and traditions.Harming, disabling, injuring, or cutting out the organs from any animal is strongly prohibited. Muslims may not cut the forelock, mane, or tail of a horse, because it is believed there is goodness in its forelock; its mane provides it warmth and it swats insects away with its tail. Muslims are not allowed to harass and misuse animals, which includes snatching a leaf from an ant's mouth. Muslims have no right to brand animals hamstring or crucify animals before killing, or burn animals even though they cause harm to humans. Humans should obtain animal meat by a swift slaughter and so pain is eliminated and avoid cutting lengthwise. In Islamic slaughter, the spinal cord cannot be broken. Muslims cannot use any equipment that damages the animal, (ie., beating them in a circus show, forcing them to carry heavy loads, or running at extreme speeds in races even to train them.Exposure to sound is also regulated. Muslims are obliged to provide food and water for any animal they see, even if the animal does not belong to them. In providing food and water considerations are the quality of the provisions and the amount of the provision based on the animal's condition and location.Animals' health must be respected, along with food, water, and shelter .In the event of illness, Muslims are expected to pay for the care and medication. slm aleykum
Salute to Brat's level of listening and grace.
Much appreciation.
فضحتينا.. 🤣🤣
I like to see brat finally try to understand about islam
Yes. If you see a ball on ground, rational explation/claim of that ball on ground will be that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker. Irrational explanation/claim will be that ball on ground came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or that ball on ground always existed. We know that ball on ground had to come into existence from a creator/maker of that ball even though we never met that creator/maker, spoke to or seen that creator/maker. Believing that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker regardless of we never met/seen that creator/maker, it's not same as believing in unicorn/other fictional characters.
Now think of this expanding ball of universe.
Its rational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence from creator/maker (Allah). Its irrational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or this expanding ball of universe always existed.
Allah is creator of this expanding ball of universe.
It only makes sense that creator of this expanding ball of universe sent messengers to us and guide us.
Prophet Muhammad PBUH claimed to be messenger of Allah(creator of everything/everyone) therefore Prophet Muhammad (messenger of Allah) PBUH was either (1) telling the truth, (2) lying or (3) delusional/crazy.
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains has to be the truth, no matter how improbable.
Watch video of "hamza speakers corner", hamza explains it really well that he couldn't have been (2) lying because Prophet was persecuted, attempted assassinations for claiming to be messenger of Allah and offered large amount of wealth if prophet worship idols and say he wasn't messenger of Allah and Prophet refused and noone will lie to inflict self harm and make enemies. Prophet couldn't have been (3) delusional/crazy because prophet Muhammad PBUH is most influential man that has ever lived or that will ever live in history of humanity and delusional/crazy person cannot influence anyone.
4th variable that Christians like to bring up that Prophet Muhammad was influenced by satan and Hamza from speakers corner debunks that too, it's actually Christianity that is influenced by satan.
Not sure if you said brat... Unintentionally or intentionally 😂
Brad*
I am not a Muslim but I enjoy Mansur's strong philosophy about the creator, he is appealing to the argument of nothingness which resonates with most people.
Yes man, nothing can't create any thing.
He is appealing to this argument because this is in the qur'an.
Allah speaks to atheist and agnostic by asking a question:
"Is it that they are created by none, or are they themselves the creators?"
"Or have they created the heavens and the earth? No, but they are sure of nothing."
Surah 52 verse 36-37
"Sure of nothing" is agnosticism.
And about "create out of nothing" or "create themselves" is the argument Mansur uses! Allah is the best one to prove his own existence 😉
If you see a ball on ground, rational explation/claim of that ball on ground will be that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker. Irrational explanation/claim will be that ball on ground came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or that ball on ground always existed. We know that ball on ground had to come into existence from a creator/maker of that ball even though we never met that creator/maker, spoke to or seen that creator/maker. Believing that ball on ground came into existence from creator/maker regardless of we never met/seen that creator/maker, it's not same as believing in unicorn/other fictional characters.
Now think of this expanding ball of universe.
Its rational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence from creator/maker (Allah). Its irrational to say this expanding ball of universe came into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing or this expanding ball of universe always existed.
Allah is creator of this expanding ball of universe.
It only makes sense that creator of this expanding ball of universe sent messengers to us and guide us.
Prophet Muhammad PBUH claimed to be messenger of Allah(creator of everything/everyone) therefore Prophet Muhammad (messenger of Allah) PBUH was either (1) telling the truth, (2) lying or (3) delusional/crazy.
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains has to be the truth, no matter how improbable.
Watch video of "hamza speakers corner", hamza explains it really well that he couldn't have been (2) lying because Prophet was persecuted, attempted assassinations for claiming to be messenger of Allah and offered large amount of wealth if prophet worship idols and say he wasn't messenger of Allah and Prophet refused and noone will lie to inflict self harm and make enemies. Prophet couldn't have been (3) delusional/crazy because prophet Muhammad PBUH is most influential man that has ever lived or that will ever live in history of humanity and delusional/crazy person cannot influence anyone.
4th variable that Christians like to bring up that Prophet Muhammad was influenced by satan and Hamza from speakers corner debunks that too, it's actually Christianity that is influenced by satan.
@@Davij18 your way of doing dawah is not good. First of all this guy never said he is interested in Islam. Secondly your example about the ball in the ground is not a good example. Thirdly it is USELESS to talk about our prophet if he still doesn't believe in God. In other words you are too fast.
@@patrickcarter8762 that is your opinion but I have debated a lot of atheists before I became a Muslim and thanks to Allah, I overcame atheist every single time.
Firstly, you're supposed to teach about Islam or at least about 1 true GOD (creator of everything and everyone) even if they are not interested about GOD, you're supposed to make them question about GOD.
Secondly, how is ball on ground not a good example, do you have a better example than ball on ground? I'm only stating reality of nature and reality of nature is that 'something can only come into existence from someone, something can never come into existence by itself/automatically, from nothing and something couldn't have always been there'. I can give billions of examples of things coming into existence from someone that you in witness, noone can give me example of 1 thing coming into existence by itself/automatically or from nothing that you can witness.
Thirdly, it's never useless to tall about GOD or prophet of GOD, it's always good to talk about GOD and messenger of GOD to anyone, regardless of who they are. You didnt realize that I proved that GOD exists before I talked messenger of GOD, prophet Muhammad PBUH.
Saving money to visit speakers corner in July this year! InsyaaAllah! A dream to be there and listen to the discussions.
Azizah Rashid wow. Just currious. Are you a Malaysian?
Ary Himawan I’m Singaporean :)
Azizah Rashid InsyaAllah moga dipermudahkan urusan dan dilimpahruahkan rezeki sampaikan salam pada semua 😊
So have u been there :D?
Wow I hope you managed to make your trip 😊
Brother Mansoor ! You're amazing 😊 May ALLAH bless you
Taught man that which he knew not.
(QS Al A'laq: 5)
these people will regret on the day of judgement and get the shock of their lives. May all the believers make it easy for that day
Jijo Osmam
Forget that Day, that's on another level altogether. What we all need to worry about is what happens to us from our first night in the grave till that Day. That's not going to be an easy trial for any of us.
PeaceBeUnto You . thanks for reminding me the grave that's scary too. they look like they have no fear or they hiding well. I fear myself sometimes and fear for others
Jijo Osmam
Dear sir what evidence do you have of this judgement?
Bhalavan2034 Srikanthan the quran... God told us in the quran.. There will be a day where the test will finish and everybody will get their reward or punishment of what they did in this world.
03mIbrahim1
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Brad is actually so sweet and genuine. He clearly understands logic of creation theory and is interested in educating himself, not just going with the norm.
Mansur may god bless you
jazak Allah khair brother Mansur , very good discussion .
Especially very well spoke on nothingness.
ma sha Allah - Br. Mansur is very articulate in his speech and approach. He's also from Bangladesh, May Allah bless him.
Yes, I guess he from Bangladesh and whata wisdom he has! Alhmdulliah!
Are you sure he is from Bangladesh
yarhmhukyarhmhuk to mansor bhai
Alamin Smg yes he is from Bangladesh
May ALLAH reward you and Brother Mansur and everyone you love, We've missed Brother Mansur, welcome back :)
ALLAHS MIRACLE
ALLAH MIRACLE The quran was written in 7th century Arabic. The Quran is the meaning and it is not confined to one language. The purpose is to understand and it can be in any language including anyone's mother tongue.
Al hayat” (life), 145 times; “al mawt” (death), 145 times“al-dunya” (mundane life), 115 times; “al akhira” (the afterlife), 115 times“malaika” (angels), 88 times; “shayatin” (demons), 88 times“ar rajul (man), 24 times; “al mar’a (woman), 24 times“as salihat (good deeds), 167 times; “as sayya’at” (wrong doings), 167 times“qul” (say), 332 times; “qalu” (said), 332 times“an nas” (people), 50 times; “an nabiya” (prophets), 50 times“al muslimat” (Muslim women), 41 times; “al muslimin” (Muslim men), 41 times"yawma-izhin" (That day), 70 times; "qiyama" (Judgment day), 70 times"dunya" (near), 115 times; "akhira" (far), 115 times"shitaa" (winter), 1 time; "sayf" (summer), 1 time"Isa" (Yahushua), 25 times; "Adam", 25 times
Iblis the devil is mentioned 11 times and seek refuge from iblis the devil is mentioned 11 times.
Belief and disbelief 17 times
Clay (teen and sperm (nutufa
112 times (how ALLAH says he made us)
Charity (zakat and blessings (baraka same amount of times.
The words "Sea" and "Land" are used 32 and 13 times respectively in the Quran. 32 plus 13 equals 45, and the two words make up 71.1 and 28.9 percent respectively of those 45. These percentages roughly correspond to what we today know the proportion of the Earth's surface made up of water and land to be."Human being" is used 65 times: the sum of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same:
al-Fatihah in itself has 7 verses, 3.5 dedicated towards our praise of the Omnipotent, and the next 3.5 dedicated towards our prayers to the Omnipotent.The words “salawat” (prayers) and "aqimis-salah" (establish prayer) are mentioned 5 times in the Quran, the same as the number of mandatory daily prayers.The word "alwan" (colors) is written 7 times, the same as the number of colors of the rainbow.The words "samawat" + "sab" (heavens + seven) are written together 7 times, the same as the number of heavens described in the Quran.There are 365 days in a year. The word "yawm" (day in singular) is written exactly 365 times.
Muslims circumambulate around the Qibla, seven times during pilgrimage. The word ‘Qibla’ is used in the whole Quran exactly seven times: 2:142:8, 2:143:15, 2:144:8, 2:145:10, 2:145:14, 2:145:18, and 10:87:12"
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The young lad went straight to McDonald’s for a burger after hearing this
hahaha
😁
Shahida751 correction ..Dubbel Quarter pounder!!
@@dulajohnstone5704 with extra cheeeese and a milkshake for old times sake 🤣
Nah...he is a KFC, BG guy
This guy dropping some knowledge
They were so adamant about the feelings of the animals and when that point crumbled they moved the goal post to CONSENT
That's what they always do
aslamo alikom ...my brothers ..my father past away 2 days ago ..please do dua for him ...alahoma arhamho warzokho aljanna wjami amoslimin
AZEDDINE ZA May Allah forgive his sins and grant him heaven, ameen.
May Allah SWT enter him into firdous al ala and make it easy for you & your family akhi.
إنَّا ِللهِ وإنَّا إلَيْهِ رَاجِعُوْن
AZEDDINE ZA ina lilahi wailahi rajioon
إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ May Allah grants him peace in barzakh and jannah
18:15 "Canine teeth for biting apple and nuts"
For real dude???? Damn!!!
Come on triple h
It must be Tiger's food are apple and nuts.
Aah... I learnt something today, what canine teeth meant for. Let's lions and tigers become vegans then.
@@Umar-yj8nz they don’t have the plant enzyme though
@@arsalafi1829 This refutes the young vegetarian boy's arguement that K-9 teeth are for biting nuts
Allah said 'havent we shown you enough?' The proof is all around you. You just need to think more in it start by breaking the barrier of disbelieving that you built and see the world in another perspective. The proof is all around you. It how beautiful it is the power of allah.
But that's not enough of a proof for the atheist 🙂
@@angcil88 no proof is good enough for a person who has already convinced himself that there is no evidence about the existence of God.
"so what?' seems to be the only argument the guy in blue has... well done
LOL. Young people be like
Hasooni arrogant young people. It’s all about Ego in the end. I was arrogant like that guy in blue. There was one point in my life I was skeptical about God, having doubts even though I am a muslim and I did some research.
Basically no one knows why we’re here and what’s our objective ultimate purpose in life that ALL human beings should follow. I went everywhere(including uneducated muslims) and see no one has an answer for this fundamental important question in life. There’s a lot of assumptions, speculations and even I don’t know or I don’t care. There’s no definitive answer at all until Islam of course and Alhamdulillah that I rediscovered Islam again on my own and I’m really thankful to Allah for making me a muslim but I wasn’t an educated muslim.
Once I study more about my own religion, it just makes sense. From that point, I learn to let go of my Ego since it wouldn’t help me to gain more knowledge. I know for a fact that human knowledge is absolutely limited and flawed in some cases but nevertheless it’s not perfect at all.
Basically I surrendered myself knowing my flaws and limits, to the One that knows Everything Allah.
When mansour got him in the argument of god existence and camera... he changed the subject and start yelling at mansour
@@HusXX your clearly an old man for saying this only the jealous would categorize people with age
What a good explanation from Mr Mansur.. may Allah SWT bless you and your family
Brad seems like a lovely young man...
How confidently the blueshirt guy brings arguments and when Mansoor demolishes or asks him question about his arguement, he smartly constantly excuses that "I'm not good at it" lol and constantly switches subject .
Ramadan Moubarak for everybody!
The brother mansur and Mohamed , educated and wise
Very informative debate, so much I have learned from this. Thanks to Brother Mansur for his wise discussions.
Thanks for recording and sharing it with us. Salute
Mashallah ,,,,,,mansoor broke the their argument segment by segment ,,unfortunately they didnt realise
The guy in the middle of the talk jumps in and argues. What expectations you can have
mr mansoor i love you sir your great keep going on sir god bless you brother
There is a plant that eating insect and small animal alive..digesting them into juice
@19 December 19 tell that to a vegan. Pfftt...
I'm a vegan from time to time for health reason. Even I found a SJW Vegan is nonsensical. They literally sent death threats to somebody opposing them which destroying their own purpose in veganism morality.
It's hilarious.
Please don't associate our-self with them. It is a waste of time.
This is too beautiful to discuss about different types of ideas freely.İn our country this is impossible!!!!!
According to what these vegans said "if God comes down and says he's God then they would believe"!
Hold on a second, did the animals tell them they are suffering, and they are being "slaughtered"? Why do they believe animals are suffering?
Everyday I learn something new, endless twists and turns from Atheists, Christians, and now vegans.
Because if you kick a dog it screams and shows fear... so is that suffering or? ofc they can suffer
How do you know? Maybe the dog says don't kick me or I will bite you next time. I know it's ridiculous, but you have to seen things from a logical point of view.
+Alex Xela the dog will then growl...
How do you know that people suffer?
You are sick person if you can not see dog suffering when you rip their skin alive.
I'm almost 100% sure this guys eat hamburgers at home.
down below is the amount of people who agree with me.
What, eight people agree with you? Hahahha that's pretty flimsy. How many people are there in the world? I'll make it easy for you..more than 7.5billion!! Now go back to dream land, legend in your own lunch box!
@@andrewlockett4569 I just love how your soo serious, It's a joke my friend, calm down! 😂😂🤣😁
I don't know what they do at home, so it's not meant to be taking 100%. I know, I know, I said 100% in my comment, but lets just say 90% sure they eat hamburgers.😂😂🤣😁
They just shifting here and there
The indian/arab dude with the blue tee is trying to be a british badly by being a vegan...SMH
Who told u he is Indian/arab?
@Diogenes thehorsefan you will regrets for that
@Diogenes thehorsefan Mecca already closed.. don't you looking at Italy, USA, Francis,Iran,korea? U have So much hate..
Lol
@joe kane exactly 🙂 just look at what he is saying.. looks like someone is burning lol
I'm always comming back to this video, May Allah bless Brother Mansur, such a great person, and may Allah increase him in ranks. And may Allah guide the other people listening to him. The gentalmen holding"using animals is unnecessary..." poster was such a good listener.And very respectful, may Allah guide him.
1:25. if dajjal comes, he will folow him
Mansur! What a demonstration ❤️❤️❤️ may Allah bless you with more & more knowledge so that Islam would/should be spread all over the globe Insha Allah.! Stay blessed rise & shine.!
these guys are crazy... if they are consenting with any affects to their body its ok??? so when someone asks you to help assist in their suicide ITS OK. what the hell is happening
The old lady looks so innocent may Allah (swt) guide her. Ameen
welcome back bro mansur... jzk
Mashallah brother Mansur is back with unique ideas
May Allah Almighty bless you guys.....ameen
It is a human flaw to believe in a "start" and an "end" because these are universal truths to us as we are born and as we die. There is no start and there is no end.
SUBB DUP
What if I tell u, u will never die. U just gonna leave the body.
finally, mansur back..
The quality of the audio is much better this time. Thank you
Love it when he says "so what"😂
I wonder if these atheists will have a smug look on the day of Ressurection.
Hahaha. No, instead they'll get the shock of their lifetime.
The burden of proof lies with the claimant who says: this creation around us has no creator unlike everything else around us.
Mashallah mansur is very profound .... One of my favourite da'ees
ATHEISTS LOGICS - GO WITH THE FLOW LOL 😂
Alhamdulilah. Brother Mansur is a Surgeon when it comes to discussion and debating.
Take, for example, the lion, did you see how when he eats his prey he eats it completely, I mean he does not separate the skin from the body or intestine, but eats as it is. When we eat, we do not eat hair, blood or bones. Those who eat meat do not care about the cleanliness of the animal you eat and eat with insects, worms and parasites. Human is more interested in cleaning food before eating it. Therefore, the Creator is knowing Adam how to eat animals. The Quran confirms this. Chapter (16) Al-Nahl and the cattle that he created for you. In them the warmth and [many] benefits, of whom you eat.The killing of the object, whoever it was; great in God, killing is the only haraam that is repeated twice in the Koran, and analysis of eating meat of the beast came directly from God is a sign of the greatness of this matter, when we say in the name of God before slaughter we point out that God is allowed to kill This object.Finally they do not believe in the Creator who created everything wisely. Therefore they can not accept it.
Alex Xela
Alex Xela
6 months ago
According to what these vegans said "if God comes down and says he's God then they would believe"!
Hold on a second, did the animals tell them they are suffering, and they are being "slaughtered"? Why do they believe animals are suffering?
Everyday I learn something new, endless twists and turns from Atheists, Christians, and now vegans.
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Jojo speaker
Jojo speaker
6 months ago
Because if you kick a dog it screams and shows fear... so is that suffering or? ofc they can suffer
Alex Xela
Alex Xela
6 months ago (edited)
How do you know? Maybe the dog says don't kick me or I will bite you next time. I know it's ridiculous, but you have to seen things from a logical point of view.
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Is there a part 2 brother?
They keep repeating that plants are not sentient...really? Then how do you explain why certain plants open up whenever sunshine hits them? and at night they close up? How do you explain the death of a plant when there is no water provided?
Reacting to stimula!!!
They don't have a nervous system. The boys mentioned it too. Maybe you fast forwarded
Stop the lions.The dears did not concent to be eating by your argument.
I know you're just ignorant and trying to sound smart, but I'll address this anyway. No vegans think that it's wrong for a lion to kill their prey because lions are carnivores and require meat to survive. Lions live in the wild and are part of the natural food chain. Humans have nothing to do with the food chain at this point in time. That's very obvious when you look at the fact that we get our food from supermarkets, not by roaming the Savannah.
keirabryson I have chickens that can survive perfectly on bugs, seeds, nuts etc yet they still choose now and again to peck each other to death and eat each-other or eat their young chicks who’ve just hatched. So what? Where’s the consent there. Rats are fine eating fruits and veg yet they still eat kill and eat meat. If lions eat meat by nature fair enough, dogs and cats eat meat from nature yet people still put their pets on a vegan diet
Mansur explained it beautifully ❤
22:14 Vegan says its about consent - Well do you ask plants to consent to being eaten? Didn't think so.
In order to ask a plant for consent you would have to assume the plant is a conscious being. Science has not proven this if it has please give me some evidence thanks.
Firstly,
You are denying a plant's right to life. Why does consciousness even matter? This reminds me of how armies go into the battlefield and see the enemy as "non-human". "They aren't human, so we can kill them". And as you say "They aren't conscious beings, so we can kill them".
Secondly,
A plant can sense when a caterpillar is eating one of its leaves. It then releases a mustard oil type substance to repel the caterpillar. Do you know what that shows? It shows that the plant does not consent to being eaten by the caterpillar. Consent does not have to be verbal, it can also be non-verbal.
Thirdly,
Ever wonder why fresh cut grass has a distinct smell? Its a chemical signal so other grass plants know something "dangerous" is going on. They clearly don't like being cut, and do not consent to it.
SO, what makes you think they are happy to be eaten by you?
"They aren't conscious beings, so we can kill them, even though there are clear signs showing resistance to being killed".
Good argument. For your first paragraph consciousness matters because if it is not conscious of it's life then I would not consider it aware of life and that maybe possibly there is not an actual being within the plant. Have you ever fainted or went unconscious. I have seen people lose consciousness and faint and hit table tops and then the next day tell me they never felt anything hitting anything because they were unconscious. Just like when you are unconscious under the knife in surgery. A dog is conscious you know this because when you swing a bat to a dog it will back away showing it does not like this kind of behaviour of harm same with any animal. You are assuming there is an entity a being within that plant and if there is we can go even further as to can they feel pain without a neurological system all beings to our knowledge need this to feel pain.
I have looked at these in depth and it is very interesting that a plant gives of gas like material when being eaten. The question you have to ask is if this is stimuli natural evolutionary reaction to it being ripped apart or this plant actually knowing something is ripping it apart(therefore consciousness). I would not assume the latter because there are many plants that when touched simply close this in reaction to stimuli and gasses that makes it closes there are some things in nature that are programmed to do this this does not mean they are aware of you touching it. NOW THIS IS A KEY POINT. The studies that were done of caterpillar sounds were of university students playing caterpillar sounds there was no release of mustard oils due to simply the sounds. However when they played the sounds and then put caterpillars on the plants there was more release of mustard oils than if the plant had a caterpillar put on it without the sounds. So in essence there conclusion was they played caterpillar sounds to plant A that heard the sounds of the caterpillars(releasing no mustard oils) vs Plant B that didn't hear the sound. Now when a caterpillar was placed on both plant A and Plant B, plant A had produced more mustard oils than plant B. This study is not concrete or conclusive how did these students measure the amount of mustard oils being emitted? Remember scientists make mistakes all the time Einstein published so many articles in his time to the scientific community only to be disproved by other scientists of his time having to take his publications away from the scientific community. These are students from a university who have done this study and are also human beings.
Fresh cut grass does have a nice distinct fresh smell but until it is scientifically and conclusively proven with concrete evidence that this indicates consciousness your statement cannot hold true. It could simply be that the roots of the grass are more fresh and new than that at the top the deeper the roots the more nutrients the more smell. I have only experienced that one in person not read articles on it, so if I am off here give me some articles on what you are talking about.
The scientific community today is not conclusive on the issue that plants feel or are conscious. In fact it is like half and half. Half the scientific community states they are conscious and feel pain without conclusive studies and the other half states that it is not conscious and does not feel pain without conclusive studies either.
As for eating plants I personally do not eat plants I eat the fruit of the plant so even if they were alive I still do not harm them on a personal level.
Bhalavan2034 Srikanthan a question tho.. does plant LIVE?
Do plants have a brain? No didnt think so
Just imagine how desperate and helpless that person may be who agrees to be used for a potentially risky medical experiment to get paid in return.. and these people are saying it ok if that person suffers because he/she consented... how can they even talk about morality having opinions like this?
i just realize i born in the wrong generation
Brother Mansur is greatly a best teacher for an athiest.
Please do not put Brad and the other guy in a suicide call center.
What's that supposed to mean man? My mother works in one of those places, and she is not religious, as far as I'm aware.
This isn't what I thought it was going to be, it seems there will never be any clear understanding between them!
Unfortunately 😓😓
I dont get why mansur if bringing up these stupid arguments, its simple... We can live without animals nowadays so why would you contribute to killing of innocent animals. If you are a compassionate man of god, you wouldnt want animals to die if its not necessity. Mansur even says that its wrong
You know plants feel too right? They also have natural defenses from being eaten.
But why, why is it compassionate based on what source? is it not your own objective veiws?
Why religion and God gets brought in, is because once you believe in God, then as eating animals is permitted, then as a result it's fine to do so. Objective morality.
@@Southslide63 plants aren't sentient beings
raxmaxify how do you know? there have been studies proving that plants feel pain. Just because we can’t hear them doesn’t mean they don’t feel so you’re assuming they don’t feel is because you don’t see them crying out honestly it’s a weak assumption
Is it just me but the speaker with all the microphones attached to him is rather handsome
SCDawah Channel . Your channel is good but you don't let the videos till the end , still brother mansur was speaking, sedenly the video stopped.
Beautiful debate! Loved it!
Lol burden of proof......who owns this. Even if God came down they wouldnt believe it.
Why believe in something without evidence?
@Big Boy the complexity of earth is explained by evolution. I know what you are trying to say, but there is a naturalistic explanation for complexity so why posit a supernatural being?
@Big Boy DNA is not information in the sense that minds envision the term. If you're interested, there's a good video by bdw5000 called "the genetic information argument debunked".
@Big Boy did you watch the video? We conceptualise DNA as information but in reality it is a biochemical phenomenon, not an information phenomenon. The molecular structure of the DNA merely copies itself. It self-replicates, often copies itself incorrectly and mutates. DNA does not depend upon a mind, it is a biochemical process.
@Big Boy I'd recommend reading Dawkins "the blind watchmaker". In terms of DNA, it is a self replicating structure that began in a much more simple form of RNA, it isn't information, its a biochemical structure that copies itself. Complexity in biology is the result of natural selection and environmental pressures and forces. I'm not an expert, but a I find evolution to be fascinating.
لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ حَتَّىٰ يَرَوُا الْعَذَابَ الْأَلِيمَ
(Mufti Taqi Usmani)
They will not believe in it until they will see the painful punishment
(quran.es.db)
-Capítulo Los Poetas, Versículo 201
This is not a debate just a Muslim talking the whole time
😊😊😊
Jazakallah brother Mansoor
old woman 😂
I can't explain evolution because i'm not an evolutionary biologist, and i can't explain the beginning because i'm not a physicist, yet, i believe in both, i'll leave you to speculate as to what is and what isn't rational...
send them to jungle for animals rights bc animals are eating other animals 😂😂how about it? 😜 btw we humans are also animal😂
That guy with the blue shirt just came in the conversation and took it to the animals while mansur was telling him about God and at the end this blue shirt guy left
WHAT A WEIRD LEGEND
atheists these days😂😂
They refuse to torture other animals but accept if someone would be tortured by their own consent.. Well vegans are human with animals but unhuman to their fellow humans.. 👏👏👏👏👏 Job well done 😄
Vegans make no senses!!
That's an ironic comment considering you're the one who can't string together four correct words to make a sentence.
That our existence depends on eating another living organism is seen through all living organisms from the tiny amoeba to human beings... The consent thing is based on the natural design of dependence of all organisms to another one as designed by God, thus, when God has already inform us that we may eat them, only need to care enough to kill them in such a way that they do not too much pain
Mansur is one clueless individual. Claiming that plant experience the same pain than animals is utter nonsense.
Plants don't even have a nervous system.
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Joanne Lee >>> At 1:28 of your video what is the guy saying ?
Let me help you: "a plant have no nerves".
No brain no pain.
nice-new according to researchers at the institute for applied physics at the university of bonn in germany,Plants release gases that are equivalent of crying out of pain. without brain and nerve plants stii can feel pain!
Joanne Lee >>> No, they can't. They react by mechanism but don't suffer or feel any form of emotion.
The same way you cannot resurrect someone with slices of beef, despite what Islam claim.
By this logic a Jam Sandwich feels pain too.
So here is an experiment you can try for yourself, by way of :
(1) Take a jam sandwich.
(2) Place a powerful microphone along side it.
(3) Stamp on the sandwich.
(4) Analyse your audio recording.
Hey you will find that when you jumped on the sandwich there was a rapid expulsion of air and jam and the is audible as "squish" noise. Ergo the Sandwich was alive, and screamed with pain....
Saying "Researchers say" is utterly stupid. Scientists do not speak with one voice. At the very least you should have said "i have found a scientist who believes that.....".
Can you give me "one" serious study on the suffering of plants in the last 15 years, that was well received by the scientific community and approved ?
nice-new yas it has the senser plant has human and animal dont have you stupid you dont know sense
9:52 You can notice the mature lady was whispering and teaching the taller man about what to say and tried to cover it with the poster LOL!
Plants do not bleed, plants do not scream,plants do not love their offspring ,animals do.Be kind.Be Vegan.!
so what if they don't, why does that mean that animals shouldn't be eaten while plants can. Plants are still intelligent living beings
Andi thanoj >>> Well then you have the same reasoning than a courgette.
Diana Perry what about when you cut some plants and a juice comes out of it and did you know plants can cry? No joke,,,
Mahfuz Ahmed >>> Plants don't "cry" because they don't feel pain.
They don't feel pain because they don't have a nervous system.
It's a "mechanism of self-preservation" (gas / enzyme / ...) not an actual feeling.
if a mute animal cannot scream.. does that mean its ok to eat it then?
At least this conversation made that old lady smile :)
Evolution cant make a smartphone by randomness over billions of years from plastic, metals, glass and silicons.
But these atheists are thinking about a living being just appeared by evolution.
As a living creature, how could they deny the Creator?
Intelligent people, easy knowledge we can digest 👍👍👌
There is a difference between "Belive" and "Knowing Things". You can say "I have two hands"or "I belive that I have two hands". You say that "I believe there is God"But you cannot say that "I know there is God". If someone is believing upon something that you don't know and another person don't believe upon that, it means that they both are in the same place because they are believing upon something that they don't know.
Think that..............................
Why do they most of the time cut the video before they end the conversation? I really want to know what happened next
You guys have something you can't see! A ❤️ and a brain🧠! Remember that's something you can't see!
Mansor from the side looks like Shahrukh khan .
%:53 If there is no Creator, there should be nothing in existence, no god, no creator, there should be absolutely nothing..we shouldnt even be here discussing"
To say that humans canine teeth can’t chew/tear through flesh, he is completely wrong. Also, the vegan continues to bring up reasons to support his arguments and then immediately says that he’s not an expert in them. He also continuously moving the goalpost for god arguments. And how can these people stand there and talk about the rights of animals but then say that humans should not be allowed to their right to breed? They say because there are too many humans, but if animals aren’t used as god then they will overpopulate the earth as well. The people seem not to use the brain Allah has given them.
15:00 👏👏👏👏👏what an explaination. Well done mansur
If the explination is evolution, and it does not have to have meaning, then why bother if we are going to eat meat or not?
Vegan don't realize how much leathers they use....what a hypocrite
They don't listen to understand they listen to answers🤷🏾♂️
Have they got any consent from plants?
so great to see brother shabir yusuf in the background!
We are actually more designed to be vegetarian than meat eaters. Mansur is ignorant on this subject.
Give me the references
@@nassax7741 We are Omnivores leaning towards herbivores (which is why we have hands and not paws with sharp claws) we can process meat but it's not the optimal diet for a human being. Do the research yourself, you're on the internet!
Topspeedsnaker The beauty in our creation is, we are designed to consume willingly both meat, plants and fish. We are not only designed to consume JUST plants.
Their best argument "so what" 😂😂😂
The more vegan promote this campaign the more hungry i will become to eat steak and hamburger
islam is the only religion who is good to animals animals who are in bad conditions are not halal in Islam, human beings are allowed to use animals, but only if the rights of the animals are respected. The owner of an animal must do everything to benefit the animal. If the owner fails to perform their duties for the animal, nobody else has the right to use the animal. The duties humans have to animals in Islam are based in the Quran, Sunnah and traditions.Harming, disabling, injuring, or cutting out the organs from any animal is strongly prohibited. Muslims may not cut the forelock, mane, or tail of a horse, because it is believed there is goodness in its forelock; its mane provides it warmth and it swats insects away with its tail. Muslims are not allowed to harass and misuse animals, which includes snatching a leaf from an ant's mouth. Muslims have no right to brand animals hamstring or crucify animals before killing, or burn animals even though they cause harm to humans. Humans should obtain animal meat by a swift slaughter and so pain is eliminated and avoid cutting lengthwise. In Islamic slaughter, the spinal cord cannot be broken. Muslims cannot use any equipment that damages the animal, (ie., beating them in a circus show, forcing them to carry heavy loads, or running at extreme speeds in races even to train them.Exposure to sound is also regulated. Muslims are obliged to provide food and water for any animal they see, even if the animal does not belong to them. In providing food and water considerations are the quality of the provisions and the amount of the provision based on the animal's condition and location.Animals' health must be respected, along with food, water, and shelter .In the event of illness, Muslims are expected to pay for the care and medication. slm aleykum