I've had zero issues feeding ball 147's, but accuracy was sub par. Switched to focci 180's, and the rifle came alive. I never expected to shoot sub moa with a 16.5 inch .308 battle rifle that was sub 6 pounds, but it happened. I'd take into consideration that it's a 1:8 twist, so lightweight pills naturally won't give you what your expectations were.
I owned the Revolution DI for two months. I ran 30 different types of ammo through it. It was a late 2019 rifle. The gas key came loose, but that was just an ancillary issue. My main issue is the chamber is cut way too tight. I ran 1000 rounds of 308 ($$$) through the barrel slowly over the course of 8 weeks. I found that the rifle was consistently FTE and would exhibit jammed cases on a daily basis during the entire time testing the rifle. My feeling is that the E2 chamber cuts are adding both fouling and additional friction to the casing in the rifle. E2 is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. It's better to have a smooth surface around the case neck as the case neck edge removes carbon during feeding. No AR in history has needed a chamber design like E2. E2 Chamber cuts just add additional sharp edge friction grip to the chamber and allow the area to become fouled very quickly. I also was very diligent to clean the barrel every 100 rounds or sooner. Some types of ammo would get jammed every 20/40/60 rounds. Furthermore the case ejection pattern would hammer excessively against the rear of the ejection window on the rifle (marring it beyond reason). Keep in mind that the rifle was well broken in and I was able to reduce gas from setting 10 to setting 5 over the course of 1000 rounds. The gas was set very smartly during all shooting events to give ejection at 3pm. So blaming the failures on gas is not a fair point. I had numerous FTE's at the range and it caused huge delays on the firing line. I was shooting in Mesa, AZ so I was able to drive to POF in Phoenix and visit them in person about the issues. POF was very nice on their CS, and they did swap out the upper housing and BCG was upgraded to their second generation BCG (free). But the rifle continued to have FTE's very frequently even at nominal gas settings (after service repair). Both the Rogue and the Rev DI have same BCG and chamber design. IMO POF has some work to do with these platforms. Running WOLF and reaming out the chamber is not my idea of a proper solution to getting the rifle to run properly. POF needs to test barrels on their rifles w/o the E2 chamber cuts. E2 does not belong on AR's. I love POF but I can't use their Rogue/Rev DI as a primary service weapon. It's just not at all reliable. FWIW I was able to get sub MOA with 168 SMK's on a regular basis. Likely because the chamber is very tight tolerance. However the rifle was 2-3 MOA with just about every other type of bullet. So rather picky. I sold the rifle for a $700 loss and I told the buyer the chamber was tight and needed to be cleaned regularly. I also found the recoil to be a bit snappy due to the light weight of the rifle. In the prone position you will need a foam pad at your collarbone. I really love the rifle but it's not ready for prime time.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I am working on my next video and am also drawing some of the same conclusions. There are a number of other small changes I would suggest POF make for this rifle to be a good service weapon option. Right now, as it stands, I might rate this as an okay-ish hunting rifle. I think this is a good start and has the potential to take the market by storm but not in its current configuration.
If one wants a lite weight rifle, pick up Sig Cross instead; it works. With that said, I don't own one, but I have watched many reviews on the Cross, and almost all found it pleasing to shoot. Plus, the Cross is far more affordable.
I have over 5000 rounds through my “Piston” Revolution. I shoot brass and steel and have never had one jam. POF’s central engineering is founded in piston rifles.
I have the same Rifle, year now..I shoot 22L ARs up to 458 SOCOM ammo..I did have feed issues with 30 rd polymer mags until I took them apart a removed the burrs in the plastic guides...I also put in a heavier buffer spring and use 180 gr Military ball , get sub MOA @100 yrds prone, perched or benched..it's a light accurate rifle that runs cheap ammo so no complaints After I fixed the mags...
Im 1 year with my POF .308 and only a handful of jams after 500 rounds. Any rifle will have a few. It looks great and feels comfortable and balanced. Its very accurate and I am happy with it. Mine is direct impingement maybe that makes a difference. I have noticed that the premium ammo works best in it. I do not know about their service as I have not needed any.
I have the same rifle and have not experienced issues discussed. I haven't had any failures and it shoots moa at 100 yds. Probably put about 300 rounds through it. I am shooting Hornady Outfitter and PPU. Sounds like hit and miss on manufacturing.
yeah i thought it was strange when he was kinda fast forwarding through his trigger pull parts of the video, the first shot you can see he's not following through for a good trigger reset.
Tested my POF Rogue today put first 80 rounds through it and not one hickup. Sorry to see issues you had hope it got resolved. I shot 5 different brands of ammo after first 40 rounds and at 100 yards I got right at 1 moa with Federal 168 grain gold medal match ammo. That was only match ammo I had on hand. I did shoot a few other brands and they were all 1.5 moa to just under 3 moa. Best FMJ practice ammo I had was 147 grain S&B FMJ. 150 grain Aguila was all over the place as well as 150 grain Fiochhi. I'm happy with this rifle at a 1 moa gun with match ammo.
I've got the Revolution DI. Mine has been flawless with Wolf and PPU M80 ball. Groups MOA all the way to 600 yards. I have a friend with a POF Rouge and while it lighter he has also had cycling issues and it has been picky with Ammo.
Thanks for this video. I had a POF Revolution back when it came out and had the exact same problem even after bringing it to POF myself for warranty work. I ended up selling it after the second time I got it back from POF. I was thinking of giving them another chance as I like the Rogue but after seeing your video, I'll pass. Brings back bad memories.
I understand completely. I can not say that I was impressed with their customer service. It took a lot for them to take me seriously and do something about the gun. I would not want to have to go through that process again. I was thinking about including some of the e-mail back and forth in the next video.
My POF Rogue gets 9 inch groups with M80 ball(EDIT this was a bad bad of m80 ball disregard), and with Magtech Sierra Match King 168gr it gets 6 inch groups. It gets 2inch groups with ELDX and Choice Ammo ELDX 178grs. It gets 2inch groups with Hornady American Gunner 155gr. POF will send a list (its a long list) of ammo that the Rogue cannot shoot well to you if you email them and ask. The POF Rogue is like they had the formula for success and last minute shot themselves(but mainly the consumer) in the foot by adding in a 1:8 twist barrel for a 308 cambering, relegating the ammo the rifle can shoot to handloads and match ammo. A pitty.
Most likely something to do with the gas system. From my own p308 edge and what ive seen with alot of others they are almost always very overgassed from the factory. Solution would be to adjust the gas or get a heavier buffer. Also got some upgraded springs from sprinco which really help too. To be fair its easier and cheaper to fix an over gassed gun than an under gassed. Not a huge deal if its an over gas issue.
I was on the fence because of these "Bad reviews", but I can tell you, the POF Rogue is an AWESOME rifle! Don't let these "bad reviews" stop you from buying one. My Rogue has been FLAWLESS right out of the box. Cheap steel ammo, brass match ammo, not a single issue. The failure TH-cam videos do this rifle zero justice and are operator errors rather than the gun. This reviewer is using soft points, which POF says not to use. The other one from Big J, the rifle runs perfectly until he adds a cherry bomb and a suppressor...did you read the owners manual bro? It clearly states that if you run suppressed, you need to add an adjustable gas block. If you want a light weight 308, beautifully built, that has almost zero recoil and zero muzzle rise, then this is your jam. I'm forced to have to make my own review video. I put a Vortex AMG UH-1 on it, great optic for short distances, inconsistent reticle dots make precision at long ranges tough.
Wow…. I’m surprised Pof owners of rouges don’t do this more often because this model has scared off many from the comments I read on various channels. I’m on the fence as we speak scared to press the buy it now button because of mixed reviews.
@@ancienttekk 2 out of 4 people who have seen mine are buying one. My only complaint is the loose fit between upper and lower receiver, but that's the trade off with forged pats. I can fix the rattle, I will never need to fix the forged parts. Get one bro, you'll love it
If you can't run soft points then it's a worthless POS, if you hunt, and only good for target shooting. Why have it? Be my opinion. So can they seriously not run soft point ammo? If not, what about ballistic tip?
Dude Big Johns gas key came lose! Bro He didn't have it suppressed when it jammed you telling me just putting the cherry bomb on there is causing the problem? What kind of gun is this finicky? Dude is running ball ammo. Not a fan of POF
Hmm, did you clean and lube prior to starting? First thing I did with my new Rogue yesterday was clean and lube, run a patch through the barrel before I even thought about firing a round. Hmm, no failures at all. also, your typical camera will focus on what is right in the middle of the view, not off to the side. Which is why it kept focusing on your pretty face instead of the cartridge base you were holding up way off to the side.
The problem I see is why would the company sell this weapon ? I bought a 7.62x39 Diamondback DB15 and when I received it it was dirty and real oily, Diamondback told me they run 25 rounds through the weapon before shipping it. At least I cleaned it and am on my 7,600 rounds and believe me or not I have had zero failures shooting the cheapest ammunition I can afford. Weapons need to be tested to perform 100% before shipping it to a paying customer.
Customers complain about it. Lol. We used to have customers complain all the time at our shop that their gun was "dirty" just from the one round they test fire through pistols.
Mine has run flawless with all but 147 pmc. Easily shoots sun Moa with 168g match ammo and Hornady black. Often half Moa and better. I’m about 300 rounds in and couldn’t be happier. Most accurate msr pattern rifle I’ve shot and owned. Sorry your experience was not good. Guess I got a good one. Mine was built in August 2021
I always hear this but none of you guys put videos up dispelling these myths of this rifle having a terrible reputation. I want one but reviews are horrifying as a go main rifle situation
POF has a steeper feed angle as well due to the proximity of the cartridge to the barrel. My brass frequently had large dents and deep cuts in the shoulder due to steeper feed angle. This probably contributes to the FTE's.
Looks very under gassed honestly. I would guess the gas rings or gas block are just not up to snuff. I have a POF Renegade + and have had no issues either with accuracy or reliability. I can tell you one thing though, without the adjustable gas block and 1:8 instead of 1:10 twist on this rifle, not interested...
I feel like I rarely see ar10s with set gas blocks that actually run well. Pop a dictator gas system on there and see what happens. On the revolution my buddy has we can get it to shoot the best and the worst ammo flawlessly within the range of adjustments it gives you. I understand the gas system is a little longer and the twist is different but otherwise it’s the same damn gun. So, in theeeooorrryyy you should be able to get it run just as well right?
Omg my m&p10 was a dream that I could actually remember...it was by a huge distance the best rifle I've ever owned, unfortunately sold it but am in the process of getting another one.
Sorry you had that issue my dude. I haven't had any failures with any reliable ammo just yet. Only failures I have had was with a "random" bag of unknown ammo (different types) that I purchased from my LGS, which was issues with extraction or rim being completely pulled off by extractor. Cod have been old or crappy ammo. I had my barrel cryogenically treated and then cerakoted on the outside. I put on a Superlative Arms piston kit and modified the piston rod and added the Revolution carrier. Also added a Cozad 3oz piston buffer w/ a Jones Arms buffer tip. Zero issues with the setup. I tend to push the limits.
Wow that was a bad range day for sure. I don't know if you got a bad rifle or what but I just picked one up (note todays date compared to the video) And I ran some Federal Premium Match in 168gr and 175gr and carried 1 MOA groups, or slightly smaller, at 100yds all day with no problems at all. My rifle, fortunately, ran great. I actualy traded a Springfield Saint Victor 308 in for this rifle. I hope you stuck with it and figured it out. Good info from you though.
Hey brother, keep us updated if POF made this rifle right for you for a 2nd time around, and if so, how did it shoot? I am in the market for a POF Rogue, but seeing this video makes me not want to purchase one now....
The rogues need a adjustable gas block to really run right. Actually most ar10/.308 rifles can benefit from a adjustable gas block. I went with the POF REVOLUTION, and A P308 and could not be happier. I would go with the Revolution it has all the bells and whistles.
I have a rogue, unfortunately I cant recommend pof. Mine wasnt fully put together and has keyhole issues with light projos. Believe it's due to twist rate.
@@m14lvr yeah I have no clue why they went with a 1-8 barrel on a .308/7.62. I also think the Rogue sounds like a flop to me all together. Sad really. POF USA makes Amazing rifles. Some of the best in the industry, but unless they get the Rogue dialed in and fixed, they will be seeing more stories like yours. I love POF rifles I own 4 of them and All of mine have been spot on.(otherwise I would have not kept buying them, lmao!) But I really dont blame you. The just sounds like a lemon design. Like i said in earlier post they needed to include a adjustable gas glock and a 1-10, 1-11, 1-12 twist barrel. I will say that tho that POF has always treated me right customer service wise. So if you are having issues with your rifle. I would call them for sure. Sorry you had such a bad experince with POF brother, it sucks spendong that much money on a gun amd it not perfoming. It has happened to me with other companies, and it is not fun.
@@justanotherinternetexpert7743 The 1:8 is crazy. For most people its probably a non issue. Some of the classes I've taken require frangable ammo, then the 1:8 becomes usless. They told me the revolution used a 1:10 and it will fit but they wont sell me one. The gun also wasnt fully put together when I got it. The castle nut was completely loose so the backing plate was just rattling around and of course the takedown pin content and spring were missing. I was told it happens and they will send me a detent. This was my second pof and now my last.
Man oh man... how disappointing. I was considering selling 2 guns of mine to get this one. I thought of it as “do-all” kind of rifle. Hope POF sees this and makes some quality control improvements.
I'm seriously considering the dd5 v4 now after seeing so many bad reviews. I was looking at the rogue and revolution. But gese now idk. That mich money it better run right or were ginna have problems lol
Man, this is sad. POF seemed to be a high quality AR manufacturer, but I've been seeing a number of videos detailing just how crappy their latest guns are.
Yes. I intended to finish another video but life got in the way so I will tell you the sum up here: The customer service was really bad. I eventually got the gun back without the requested changes they were supposed to make. After about 700 rnds the groups tightened up a little but still not what I hope for when paying this much. After spending more time with it, I noticed several design flaws that lead me to the conclusion that this was not a gun for me. This is a glorified hunting riffle noting more.
@@TheStax81 yeah I sold my rogue before shooting it for this very reason. Should’ve done more research before buying but unfortunately there is no good info except this video right here. Thanks for being honest because all I heard was pof is the way to go. Maybe with their other models but this one needs some changes I believe.
Just bought a Rogue,... did not see this write up before buying it but person I am buying it from said it cycled smoothly and it seems to be accurate. I am going to take a chance on it and try to apply any fixes that other people have been successful with. I do have a much heavier older pof 20” and it has not been perfect but a decent rifle. I used to have Armalite’s AR 10’s and they performed very very well,.. if this doesn’t perform very well,.. I may try finding some Armalite’s
@@ancienttekk Very pleased. It is nearing the point of becoming the one rifle if I only had one rifle to grab for the majority of situations. When I first got it,…it was jumping off the table,… like straight up ,… the factory installed a minuscule brake with only two ports,…. I am assuming to save weight,… this does not do the rifle justice. I switched the factory muzzle brake which had 6 or eight ports off my older POF 308 and it keeps it from jumping and it adds maybe an ounce of weight which is inconsequential compared to the benefit you receive. I have not put a ton of rounds thru it because life and work get in the way but of the shooting I do ,… I am extremely happy. I did also install a BCM charging handle which is what I do on all my AR’s ,… I like a healthy size left side grab for charging the rifles instead of a rinky dink factory one that is on AR’s. Being that it’s based on the AR-15 size , the charging handle is the same length as any AR-15 and works great. I compared the charging handle on my older POF and it is approximately an inch or two longer. I think POF made the Rogue into a fine rifle and one that is light weight , pleasure to carry and an accurate rifle but I highly recommend the larger POF brake to tame the rifle from jumping up while trying to shoot,. I’m sure a follow up shot is much quicker now to get back on target after installing the larger brake. When it’s on a bipod, even with the added weight of the GG&G I used ,… it jumped off the table up into the air,…. Never seen a semi auto do that,… too few ports, too little weight,…. Add a larger brake,…. She’s a dream rifle.
Cleaned my pistol thoroughly with Wilson bore cleaner and then wilson lube... 3 magazines used... 5 different types of ammo... seems like a throat issue and WAY over engineered ... if a firearm is that sensitive to garner SPECIAL everything its as good as a boat anchor...
I zeroed the scope enough to get on paper. The zero shouldnt matter if the grouping is good enough you could have a one inch group 6" off center and you would still be able to tell that the gun shoots well. Yes, I tried several mags.
Man I just bought this gun last week and literally the same thing happened to me. First rifle I ever bought. Took it back to the dealer, hopefully POF takes care of it for us. Be the last dime POF ever gets of mine if not. Hope that’s not the case
Operator error? Lol!! Yeah right Cheap Charlie. Some commentor spends $1,500 bucks and will defend his sh*t to the end, literally! ...wondering when the malfs are coming, and where to find specific ammo that his combat STYLE rifle can shoot. The "excuse patrol" is damn irritating man. No, a rifle of this type should be damn near 100% reliable with damn near any decent factory .308 ammo... properly maintained. If you have to buy specific ammo for an AR, do not buy it. Do not trust your life to it. (Eight year infantry vet here, but I also have moose in the yard). And $1,500 bones should get us a pretty nice rifle, but not in this case, especially after it had already been returned and "fixed". Plenty of other options now. Like, the Revolution is nice. Thanks for an honest review.
That is the unfortunate part. I have. I was going to do another review video but I want to give them a chance to step up to the plate before I make it public. So far, it's not good.
I’m sorry to hear that. The form factor of the rifle is fantastic and a well performing gun in that form would be wonderful. I have a Savage MSR10 that wasn’t grouping very well until I ran some fire lapping rounds through it. After that it was sub MOA. I have a Rogue rifle but haven’t been out to fire it yet. I’ll see how it goes. Grouping is one thing that’s easier to solve but the gas problems are a whole other set of issues. For a rifle of this cost, I would expect it to be be much better and POF should treat you right.
Daniel Forrest I took mine out today and shot it for the first time without any issues so far. I put a total of 50 rounds of both Remington 180 CoreLokt and 178 Hornady ELDX through it and it ran great. Got it sighted in at 50. Next weekend I’m brining it up where I can send it out to 100 and 200. I didn’t try anything less than 178 and 180 grain so far since those are my hunting loads. I was getting slightly less than one inch groups at 50 with the Hornsby ELDX and slightly over one inch with the Remington ammo. My Savage MSR10 doesn’t like lighter grains and I suspect the Rogue doesn’t either. The Rogue would be much better with an adjustable gas block so you can tune it up. With my MSR10 I had it all tuned up but when I shot it in cold weather I needed to up the gas for it to cycle. We’ll still need to see how the Rogue does in cold weather. So far, so good though and I expect the groups with tighten a little bit after some more rounds go through it.
@Daniel Forrest My rogue came not fully assembled and was told it happens. I have problems with light projos and was just given list of ammo the gun wont shoot. Not happy.
How many different mags did you use in these tests? It looked to me like you had a problem and then used the same mag. As you probably know many feeding problems are due to bad mags.
@@JP-wl5vj his son did take over. POF is a very family-oriented business. I did a factory tour a year ago. Frank and his son worked closely together for years.
Just want to let you know, when you spend up the video like when you were clearing jams it is very annoying. It will not really make the video much shorter. Hoe many rounds have you now fired through your rogue?
From what I understand you have to be particular about the magazines you use. Magpul has treated my people very well. Straying away from those magazines causes issues. Find the mags that work and you'll be golden. I'm speaking about the revolution, however. No experience with the rogue. Unless I'm very confused (which is possible) I imagine they're similar enough that the mags would probably be parallel issues.
Never buy an “under engineered” gun. Hell, my S&W M&P AR15 has a few hundred rounds through it with zero issues and I got it for like $500.00. I don’t like the idea of a .308 in an AR 15 sized gun. Just look at the bolt carrier, it’s just not sufficient for the task at hand. I like guns to last a long, long time and I don’t think this one will stand up to the cartridge. Just my $.02. Kudos on the engineering try, but RELIABILITY is rather important in a firearm.
I had a POF in 308 very Similar Susie’s took it to my gun smith still couldn’t get it to run right ended selling it to a gun shop. I’ll never purchase another POF rifle
I did get the Revolution Piston model, and so far I have gone through 272 rounds. These included 200 rounds of .308 Winchester Super X 180 grain (primarily to break in the rifle), 12 rounds of .308 Winchester Super X 150 grain, 40 rounds of .308 Remington Core-Lokt 150 grain, and 20 rounds of .308 Hornady ELD Match 155 grain. (All new ammunition, no reloads. All bought before panic buying stripped the store shelves.) The only problems that I encountered were with the insertion of the Magpul (polymer) magazines (bolt carrier became seemingly locked in place & with the first round having tried to load--took a firm pull of the charging handle to pull back the bolt carrier). These failures were almost certainly my fault given my tendency to give a (too solid and unnecessary) hard hit to seat the polymer magazines, a leftover bad habit from the first days of the M16. I had NO further problems of any kind once I quit trying to hammer in the magazines. Over 45 years ago I had 2 different AR-15's (.223 of course), and I honestly did not care for either, although I wanted to like them. Fast-forward to today: I can say with considerable confidence that I do like this rifle that essentially uses the AR-15 platform. (The Revolution is NOT an AR-10.). Also, when a 73-year-old guy with no longer muscular shoulders (and with using no padding) can shoot 272 rounds of .308 in 2 days and not have any shoulder discomfort to speak of, this means that the rifle is a pleasure to shoot. I do find it quite strange that some independent videos badmouth POF, while others have nothing but praise. It would not surprise me at all if POF's tighter machining tolerances and therefore less slop sometimes results in performance flaws out of the box if proper break-in procedures are not followed. I followed the book for breaking in my rifle, and I am well-pleased with the results.
This is extremely disappointing..I remember the same feeling when I took my POF 350 legend pistol shooting and it started doing this every other shot...that upper now sits in my gun safe.
'Jammed casing' has nothing to do with the tool that has the regulator gas block fine tuning system and everything to do with not understanding your rifle inside and out It's not the tool, it's the inefectivity of the user not adjusting the gas regulator on their d.i. gas system
Seems like it's hit or miss with POF, and mostly misses judging by the comments and even the FB group. I had my heart set on a Revolution 308 DI but after reading so many horror stories about POF rifles I don't dare take the chance gambling with that type of money.
Price is dropping on this rifle.POF continues to release beta crap. I love their designs and thinking but they need to get wiser with their QC approach.
I purchased a 300 blackout, pistol, then a 5.56 rifle a few days later. Unfortunately, I did not shot the 300 prior to 5.56 purchase. BOTH guns were new, shot premium ammo and both had the same problem with jam/cycling. Spoke to factory, he finally told me” yeah, we are not happy with some of the parts that we have been getting.” I am very disappointed, spent $4000 grams on the two guns, have no confidence in them. PURE JUNK!!
Bro, this video has got to be a joke, this guy obviously didn’t look into this rifle and is shooting PMC X-Tac ammo 🤦♂️ smh, maybe he shouldn’t have bought if he is gonna treat it like shit
Water is liquid, snow is cold, birds are singing, sun is shining, AR is jamming. It is normal way of life :) It is not POF only, it is about entire AR platform.
I've had zero issues feeding ball 147's, but accuracy was sub par. Switched to focci 180's, and the rifle came alive. I never expected to shoot sub moa with a 16.5 inch .308 battle rifle that was sub 6 pounds, but it happened. I'd take into consideration that it's a 1:8 twist, so lightweight pills naturally won't give you what your expectations were.
Agree, I've never had a single issue with mine
I owned the Revolution DI for two months. I ran 30 different types of ammo through it. It was a late 2019 rifle. The gas key came loose, but that was just an ancillary issue. My main issue is the chamber is cut way too tight. I ran 1000 rounds of 308 ($$$) through the barrel slowly over the course of 8 weeks. I found that the rifle was consistently FTE and would exhibit jammed cases on a daily basis during the entire time testing the rifle. My feeling is that the E2 chamber cuts are adding both fouling and additional friction to the casing in the rifle. E2 is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. It's better to have a smooth surface around the case neck as the case neck edge removes carbon during feeding. No AR in history has needed a chamber design like E2. E2 Chamber cuts just add additional sharp edge friction grip to the chamber and allow the area to become fouled very quickly. I also was very diligent to clean the barrel every 100 rounds or sooner. Some types of ammo would get jammed every 20/40/60 rounds. Furthermore the case ejection pattern would hammer excessively against the rear of the ejection window on the rifle (marring it beyond reason). Keep in mind that the rifle was well broken in and I was able to reduce gas from setting 10 to setting 5 over the course of 1000 rounds. The gas was set very smartly during all shooting events to give ejection at 3pm. So blaming the failures on gas is not a fair point. I had numerous FTE's at the range and it caused huge delays on the firing line. I was shooting in Mesa, AZ so I was able to drive to POF in Phoenix and visit them in person about the issues. POF was very nice on their CS, and they did swap out the upper housing and BCG was upgraded to their second generation BCG (free). But the rifle continued to have FTE's very frequently even at nominal gas settings (after service repair). Both the Rogue and the Rev DI have same BCG and chamber design. IMO POF has some work to do with these platforms. Running WOLF and reaming out the chamber is not my idea of a proper solution to getting the rifle to run properly. POF needs to test barrels on their rifles w/o the E2 chamber cuts. E2 does not belong on AR's. I love POF but I can't use their Rogue/Rev DI as a primary service weapon. It's just not at all reliable. FWIW I was able to get sub MOA with 168 SMK's on a regular basis. Likely because the chamber is very tight tolerance. However the rifle was 2-3 MOA with just about every other type of bullet. So rather picky. I sold the rifle for a $700 loss and I told the buyer the chamber was tight and needed to be cleaned regularly. I also found the recoil to be a bit snappy due to the light weight of the rifle. In the prone position you will need a foam pad at your collarbone. I really love the rifle but it's not ready for prime time.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I am working on my next video and am also drawing some of the same conclusions. There are a number of other small changes I would suggest POF make for this rifle to be a good service weapon option. Right now, as it stands, I might rate this as an okay-ish hunting rifle. I think this is a good start and has the potential to take the market by storm but not in its current configuration.
@@TheStax81 Get rid of 1:8 twist on the rogue! I'll never buy another pof but others will appreciate it
Excellent analysis! Thank you!
Thanks for your story
If one wants a lite weight rifle, pick up Sig Cross instead; it works. With that said, I don't own one, but I have watched many reviews on the Cross, and almost all found it pleasing to shoot. Plus, the Cross is far more affordable.
I have over 5000 rounds through my “Piston” Revolution. I shoot brass and steel and have never had one jam. POF’s central engineering is founded in piston rifles.
I have the same Rifle, year now..I shoot 22L ARs up to 458 SOCOM ammo..I did have feed issues with 30 rd polymer mags until I took them apart a removed the burrs in the plastic guides...I also put in a heavier buffer spring and use 180 gr Military ball , get sub MOA @100 yrds prone, perched or benched..it's a light accurate rifle that runs cheap ammo so no complaints After I fixed the mags...
Im 1 year with my POF .308 and only a handful of jams after 500 rounds. Any rifle will have a few. It looks great and feels comfortable and balanced. Its very accurate and I am happy with it. Mine is direct impingement maybe that makes a difference. I have noticed that the premium ammo works best in it. I do not know about their service as I have not needed any.
That’s not true. Plenty of rifles on the market that never has any jams. I own two that never jammed after that amount of rounds 🤷♂️
I have the same rifle and have not experienced issues discussed. I haven't had any failures and it shoots moa at 100 yds. Probably put about 300 rounds through it. I am shooting Hornady Outfitter and PPU. Sounds like hit and miss on manufacturing.
yeah i thought it was strange when he was kinda fast forwarding through his trigger pull parts of the video, the first shot you can see he's not following through for a good trigger reset.
Tested my POF Rogue today put first 80 rounds through it and not one hickup. Sorry to see issues you had hope it got resolved. I shot 5 different brands of ammo after first 40 rounds and at 100 yards I got right at 1 moa with Federal 168 grain gold medal match ammo. That was only match ammo I had on hand. I did shoot a few other brands and they were all 1.5 moa to just under 3 moa. Best FMJ practice ammo I had was 147 grain S&B FMJ. 150 grain Aguila was all over the place as well as 150 grain Fiochhi. I'm happy with this rifle at a 1 moa gun with match ammo.
“Here’s my sub 6lb rifle”
…. Mounts a 6lb scope on it.
I've got the Revolution DI. Mine has been flawless with Wolf and PPU M80 ball. Groups MOA all the way to 600 yards. I have a friend with a POF Rouge and while it lighter he has also had cycling issues and it has been picky with Ammo.
Thanks for this video. I had a POF Revolution back when it came out and had the exact same problem even after bringing it to POF myself for warranty work. I ended up selling it after the second time I got it back from POF.
I was thinking of giving them another chance as I like the Rogue but after seeing your video, I'll pass. Brings back bad memories.
I understand completely. I can not say that I was impressed with their customer service. It took a lot for them to take me seriously and do something about the gun. I would not want to have to go through that process again. I was thinking about including some of the e-mail back and forth in the next video.
@@TheStax81 It would be helpful if you did include that correspondence.
Any updates on working with POF Customer Support?
My POF Rogue gets 9 inch groups with M80 ball(EDIT this was a bad bad of m80 ball disregard), and with Magtech Sierra Match King 168gr it gets 6 inch groups. It gets 2inch groups with ELDX and Choice Ammo ELDX 178grs. It gets 2inch groups with Hornady American Gunner 155gr.
POF will send a list (its a long list) of ammo that the Rogue cannot shoot well to you if you email them and ask.
The POF Rogue is like they had the formula for success and last minute shot themselves(but mainly the consumer) in the foot by adding in a 1:8 twist barrel for a 308 cambering, relegating the ammo the rifle can shoot to handloads and match ammo. A pitty.
I don't know why they didn't use a 1 in 10 twist like almost every other.308 on the planet uses...
@@Sforce68 Probably so the gun wouldn’t outcompete their more expensive rifles.
Most likely something to do with the gas system. From my own p308 edge and what ive seen with alot of others they are almost always very overgassed from the factory. Solution would be to adjust the gas or get a heavier buffer. Also got some upgraded springs from sprinco which really help too. To be fair its easier and cheaper to fix an over gassed gun than an under gassed. Not a huge deal if its an over gas issue.
Isn't fixing an under-gassed gun as easy as fitting a booster or a suppressor?
I was on the fence because of these "Bad reviews", but I can tell you, the POF Rogue is an AWESOME rifle! Don't let these "bad reviews" stop you from buying one. My Rogue has been FLAWLESS right out of the box. Cheap steel ammo, brass match ammo, not a single issue. The failure TH-cam videos do this rifle zero justice and are operator errors rather than the gun. This reviewer is using soft points, which POF says not to use. The other one from Big J, the rifle runs perfectly until he adds a cherry bomb and a suppressor...did you read the owners manual bro? It clearly states that if you run suppressed, you need to add an adjustable gas block. If you want a light weight 308, beautifully built, that has almost zero recoil and zero muzzle rise, then this is your jam. I'm forced to have to make my own review video. I put a Vortex AMG UH-1 on it, great optic for short distances, inconsistent reticle dots make precision at long ranges tough.
Wow…. I’m surprised Pof owners of rouges don’t do this more often because this model has scared off many from the comments I read on various channels. I’m on the fence as we speak scared to press the buy it now button because of mixed reviews.
@@ancienttekk 2 out of 4 people who have seen mine are buying one. My only complaint is the loose fit between upper and lower receiver, but that's the trade off with forged pats. I can fix the rattle, I will never need to fix the forged parts. Get one bro, you'll love it
If you can't run soft points then it's a worthless POS, if you hunt, and only good for target shooting. Why have it? Be my opinion. So can they seriously not run soft point ammo? If not, what about ballistic tip?
Dude Big Johns gas key came lose! Bro He didn't have it suppressed when it jammed you telling me just putting the cherry bomb on there is causing the problem? What kind of gun is this finicky? Dude is running ball ammo. Not a fan of POF
@@khann844 One that's cramming a full-power cartridge into an intermediate chassis; POF are pushing limitations here.
Hmm, did you clean and lube prior to starting? First thing I did with my new Rogue yesterday was clean and lube, run a patch through the barrel before I even thought about firing a round. Hmm, no failures at all. also, your typical camera will focus on what is right in the middle of the view, not off to the side. Which is why it kept focusing on your pretty face instead of the cartridge base you were holding up way off to the side.
Thanks for the video, I think you saved me about $1900.00
They are more than that I think
@@markpetela5286 could be by now, they were $1850 at my local store when I initially commented.
@@beakerunrefined4230 ya no ur right just resembles a 3000 dollar gun
I've had similar issues with mine. Im 200 rounds Into it and it is scarring the casings and doesn't group worth a crap unfortunately.
Own two POFs. A P308 and a Revolution in 6.5. I will never buy another POF again. Their QC went way downhill along with their customer service.
The problem I see is why would the company sell this weapon ? I bought a 7.62x39 Diamondback DB15 and when I received it it was dirty and real oily, Diamondback told me they run 25 rounds through the weapon before shipping it.
At least I cleaned it and am on my 7,600 rounds and believe me or not I have had zero failures shooting the cheapest ammunition I can afford.
Weapons need to be tested to perform 100% before shipping it to a paying customer.
Customers complain about it. Lol. We used to have customers complain all the time at our shop that their gun was "dirty" just from the one round they test fire through pistols.
Any word from POF yet on these failures? Was really considering placing an order until watching this video and reading the comments.
Mine has run flawless with all but 147 pmc. Easily shoots sun Moa with 168g match ammo and Hornady black. Often half Moa and better. I’m about 300 rounds in and couldn’t be happier. Most accurate msr pattern rifle I’ve shot and owned. Sorry your experience was not good. Guess I got a good one. Mine was built in August 2021
I always hear this but none of you guys put videos up dispelling these myths of this rifle having a terrible reputation. I want one but reviews are horrifying as a go main rifle situation
merry christmas... could it be the ammo that made it jam?.....................
POF has a steeper feed angle as well due to the proximity of the cartridge to the barrel. My brass frequently had large dents and deep cuts in the shoulder due to steeper feed angle. This probably contributes to the FTE's.
Looks very under gassed honestly. I would guess the gas rings or gas block are just not up to snuff. I have a POF Renegade + and have had no issues either with accuracy or reliability. I can tell you one thing though, without the adjustable gas block and 1:8 instead of 1:10 twist on this rifle, not interested...
Even PSA has an adjustable gas block on their ar 10. It's crazy it doesn't come with one.
I feel like I rarely see ar10s with set gas blocks that actually run well. Pop a dictator gas system on there and see what happens. On the revolution my buddy has we can get it to shoot the best and the worst ammo flawlessly within the range of adjustments it gives you. I understand the gas system is a little longer and the twist is different but otherwise it’s the same damn gun. So, in theeeooorrryyy you should be able to get it run just as well right?
Yeah, good thoughts.......but it'd be nice if it just worked. I hear you though
Omg my m&p10 was a dream that I could actually remember...it was by a huge distance the best rifle I've ever owned, unfortunately sold it but am in the process of getting another one.
Sorry you had that issue my dude. I haven't had any failures with any reliable ammo just yet. Only failures I have had was with a "random" bag of unknown ammo (different types) that I purchased from my LGS, which was issues with extraction or rim being completely pulled off by extractor. Cod have been old or crappy ammo. I had my barrel cryogenically treated and then cerakoted on the outside. I put on a Superlative Arms piston kit and modified the piston rod and added the Revolution carrier. Also added a Cozad 3oz piston buffer w/ a Jones Arms buffer tip. Zero issues with the setup.
I tend to push the limits.
I would throw an extractor donut in it an put the old charging handle back on...just to see
Wow that was a bad range day for sure. I don't know if you got a bad rifle or what but I just picked one up (note todays date compared to the video) And I ran some Federal Premium Match in 168gr and 175gr and carried 1 MOA groups, or slightly smaller, at 100yds all day with no problems at all. My rifle, fortunately, ran great. I actualy traded a Springfield Saint Victor 308 in for this rifle. I hope you stuck with it and figured it out. Good info from you though.
I have had the exact same problems with my POF Revolution. I paid 3,000 dollars for this gun, not pleased.
Damn what a shame. I really wanted that rifle.
Hey brother, keep us updated if POF made this rifle right for you for a 2nd time around, and if so, how did it shoot?
I am in the market for a POF Rogue, but seeing this video makes me not want to purchase one now....
I will do another video soon. I just got the gun back.
The rogues need a adjustable gas block to really run right. Actually most ar10/.308 rifles can benefit from a adjustable gas block. I went with the POF REVOLUTION, and A P308 and could not be happier. I would go with the Revolution it has all the bells and whistles.
I have a rogue, unfortunately I cant recommend pof. Mine wasnt fully put together and has keyhole issues with light projos. Believe it's due to twist rate.
@@m14lvr yeah I have no clue why they went with a 1-8 barrel on a .308/7.62. I also think the Rogue sounds like a flop to me all together. Sad really. POF USA makes Amazing rifles. Some of the best in the industry, but unless they get the Rogue dialed in and fixed, they will be seeing more stories like yours. I love POF rifles I own 4 of them and All of mine have been spot on.(otherwise I would have not kept buying them, lmao!) But I really dont blame you. The just sounds like a lemon design. Like i said in earlier post they needed to include a adjustable gas glock and a 1-10, 1-11, 1-12 twist barrel. I will say that tho that POF has always treated me right customer service wise. So if you are having issues with your rifle. I would call them for sure. Sorry you had such a bad experince with POF brother, it sucks spendong that much money on a gun amd it not perfoming. It has happened to me with other companies, and it is not fun.
@@justanotherinternetexpert7743 The 1:8 is crazy. For most people its probably a non issue. Some of the classes I've taken require frangable ammo, then the 1:8 becomes usless. They told me the revolution used a 1:10 and it will fit but they wont sell me one. The gun also wasnt fully put together when I got it. The castle nut was completely loose so the backing plate was just rattling around and of course the takedown pin content and spring were missing. I was told it happens and they will send me a detent. This was my second pof and now my last.
Thank you for the honest review!
Man oh man... how disappointing. I was considering selling 2 guns of mine to get this one. I thought of it as “do-all” kind of rifle. Hope POF sees this and makes some quality control improvements.
I also sold two of mine to get this one. Very disappointing.
Well this just made me get the DD5 V4 instead
Let me know how that one performs. I am looking at that one next.
I'm seriously considering the dd5 v4 now after seeing so many bad reviews. I was looking at the rogue and revolution. But gese now idk. That mich money it better run right or were ginna have problems lol
Did you contact them again? If so what did they say?
Man, this is sad. POF seemed to be a high quality AR manufacturer, but I've been seeing a number of videos detailing just how crappy their latest guns are.
I was about to buy the rougue before frank passed. Now I feel whoever is in charge has really let shit go. No quality control whatsoever now.
Any updates on the rifle ?
Yes. I intended to finish another video but life got in the way so I will tell you the sum up here: The customer service was really bad. I eventually got the gun back without the requested changes they were supposed to make. After about 700 rnds the groups tightened up a little but still not what I hope for when paying this much. After spending more time with it, I noticed several design flaws that lead me to the conclusion that this was not a gun for me. This is a glorified hunting riffle noting more.
@@TheStax81 yeah I sold my rogue before shooting it for this very reason. Should’ve done more research before buying but unfortunately there is no good info except this video right here. Thanks for being honest because all I heard was pof is the way to go. Maybe with their other models but this one needs some changes I believe.
Hope they fix this thing a 6 pound ar10 the size of a 223 gun is just incredible.... If it works.
I think the issue is with the gas system. I have the same issues with mine. But when I threw a can on it, it preforms just fine.
Well crap, I am sitting in front of my nice new Rogue, bolting on the scope.
Dude lmk how it fairs
@@ghodge82 so far round count is 200 and one fail to feed. I’m shooting more this weekend. It shoots pretty well. I put a 24 oz. Burris 1-8
How about a totally different magazine?
Just bought a Rogue,... did not see this write up before buying it but person I am buying it from said it cycled smoothly and it seems to be accurate. I am going to take a chance on it and try to apply any fixes that other people have been successful with. I do have a much heavier older pof 20” and it has not been perfect but a decent rifle. I used to have Armalite’s AR 10’s and they performed very very well,.. if this doesn’t perform very well,.. I may try finding some Armalite’s
How’s your experience?
@@ancienttekk
Very pleased.
It is nearing the point of becoming the one rifle if I only had one rifle to grab for the majority of situations.
When I first got it,…it was jumping off the table,… like straight up ,… the factory installed a minuscule brake with only two ports,…. I am assuming to save weight,… this does not do the rifle justice. I switched the factory muzzle brake which had 6 or eight ports off my older POF 308 and it keeps it from jumping and it adds maybe an ounce of weight which is inconsequential compared to the benefit you receive.
I have not put a ton of rounds thru it because life and work get in the way but of the shooting I do ,… I am extremely happy.
I did also install a BCM charging handle which is what I do on all my AR’s ,… I like a healthy size left side grab for charging the rifles instead of a rinky dink factory one that is on AR’s.
Being that it’s based on the AR-15 size , the charging handle is the same length as any AR-15 and works great.
I compared the charging handle on my older POF and it is approximately an inch or two longer.
I think POF made the Rogue into a fine rifle and one that is light weight , pleasure to carry and an accurate rifle but I highly recommend the larger POF brake to tame the rifle from jumping up while trying to shoot,. I’m sure a follow up shot is much quicker now to get back on target after installing the larger brake.
When it’s on a bipod, even with the added weight of the GG&G I used ,… it jumped off the table up into the air,…. Never seen a semi auto do that,… too few ports, too little weight,…. Add a larger brake,…. She’s a dream rifle.
@@patrickcarney9474 cool bro. Best ammo to use grain etc?
@@ancienttekk
Hard to beat a 168 grain bullet for any 308
If you hand load,… target shooting ,.. Sierra match king boat tail hollow point flies good which is SMK BTHP 168 grain
Couple quick questions. Did you add any lubrication to the rifle before hitting the range? If so what type? Did you try more than one magazine?
Yes, I used a Hoppe's 9 prior to shooting. I used several different magpull mags throughout the video.
Cleaned my pistol thoroughly with Wilson bore cleaner and then wilson lube... 3 magazines used... 5 different types of ammo... seems like a throat issue and WAY over engineered ... if a firearm is that sensitive to garner SPECIAL everything its as good as a boat anchor...
I shot first 200 rounds of various 150 to 175 grain without an issue. Rogue pistol. Customer service said not to use soft points.
Check the feed ramp...should be perfectly square to the mag well.
2 things. 1 you said you “threw” the scope on it. Was it zeroed before this video ? 2nd did you try multiple mags to see if that mag was the issue ?
I zeroed the scope enough to get on paper. The zero shouldnt matter if the grouping is good enough you could have a one inch group 6" off center and you would still be able to tell that the gun shoots well. Yes, I tried several mags.
Would try a Superlative Arms bleed off gas block.
My older POF .308 has been a pain in my ass from day 1.
Man I just bought this gun last week and literally the same thing happened to me. First rifle I ever bought. Took it back to the dealer, hopefully POF takes care of it for us. Be the last dime POF ever gets of mine if not. Hope that’s not the case
@Frank Bonazza III bump
Any news???
So did whatever happened with the Rogue? Did you send it back again?
Sounds like POF should just offer these as receiver sets as an option for DIY builders while they work out the issues.
Operator error? Lol!! Yeah right Cheap Charlie. Some commentor spends $1,500 bucks and will defend his sh*t to the end, literally! ...wondering when the malfs are coming, and where to find specific ammo that his combat STYLE rifle can shoot. The "excuse patrol" is damn irritating man. No, a rifle of this type should be damn near 100% reliable with damn near any decent factory .308 ammo... properly maintained. If you have to buy specific ammo for an AR, do not buy it. Do not trust your life to it. (Eight year infantry vet here, but I also have moose in the yard). And $1,500 bones should get us a pretty nice rifle, but not in this case, especially after it had already been returned and "fixed". Plenty of other options now. Like, the Revolution is nice. Thanks for an honest review.
I had the same problem. Problem was it wasn’t lubed enough! It wouldn’t cycle with just a little oil make it wet it will cycle fine!
I would add a doughnut to the extractor and check the headspace. For the money it should be right right away it’s unfortunate when it’s not
Did you contact POF yet? I'm wondering what their customer service response is like. Thanks for uploading the video too mate!
That is the unfortunate part. I have. I was going to do another review video but I want to give them a chance to step up to the plate before I make it public. So far, it's not good.
I’m sorry to hear that. The form factor of the rifle is fantastic and a well performing gun in that form would be wonderful. I have a Savage MSR10 that wasn’t grouping very well until I ran some fire lapping rounds through it. After that it was sub MOA. I have a Rogue rifle but haven’t been out to fire it yet. I’ll see how it goes. Grouping is one thing that’s easier to solve but the gas problems are a whole other set of issues. For a rifle of this cost, I would expect it to be be much better and POF should treat you right.
Daniel Forrest I took mine out today and shot it for the first time without any issues so far. I put a total of 50 rounds of both Remington 180 CoreLokt and 178 Hornady ELDX through it and it ran great. Got it sighted in at 50. Next weekend I’m brining it up where I can send it out to 100 and 200. I didn’t try anything less than 178 and 180 grain so far since those are my hunting loads. I was getting slightly less than one inch groups at 50 with the Hornsby ELDX and slightly over one inch with the Remington ammo. My Savage MSR10 doesn’t like lighter grains and I suspect the Rogue doesn’t either. The Rogue would be much better with an adjustable gas block so you can tune it up. With my MSR10 I had it all tuned up but when I shot it in cold weather I needed to up the gas for it to cycle. We’ll still need to see how the Rogue does in cold weather. So far, so good though and I expect the groups with tighten a little bit after some more rounds go through it.
Their customer service is shit in my experience.
@Daniel Forrest My rogue came not fully assembled and was told it happens. I have problems with light projos and was just given list of ammo the gun wont shoot. Not happy.
The extractor spring need to stiffen up or a new extractor is needed.
I have 2 POF REVOLUTION DI RIFLES no problems with either of them and I also have a POF RENEGADE PLUS with no problems
the Revolution is like the upgraded version of this
@@surfingtothestars yep
How many different mags did you use in these tests? It looked to me like you had a problem and then used the same mag. As you probably know many feeding problems are due to bad mags.
I used three different mags during the shoot.
What have you done with the pof?
Did your POF ever start performing properly or is it still a POS?
It is cycling way to fast put an A2 stock buffer and spring on it that will fix the problems
I knew this was gonna start happening now that Frank (the owner)just passed. He was big on quality control.
I hope the QC systems were already in place and whoever took over (maybe his son?) sees to it that everything is up to snuff.
@@JP-wl5vj his son did take over. POF is a very family-oriented business. I did a factory tour a year ago. Frank and his son worked closely together for years.
Just want to let you know, when you spend up the video like when you were clearing jams it is very annoying. It will not really make the video much shorter. Hoe many rounds have you now fired through your rogue?
From what I understand you have to be particular about the magazines you use.
Magpul has treated my people very well. Straying away from those magazines causes issues. Find the mags that work and you'll be golden.
I'm speaking about the revolution, however. No experience with the rogue. Unless I'm very confused (which is possible) I imagine they're similar enough that the mags would probably be parallel issues.
Damb, the century arms of 308's.
Never buy an “under engineered” gun. Hell, my S&W M&P AR15 has a few hundred rounds through it with zero issues and I got it for like $500.00. I don’t like the idea of a .308 in an AR 15 sized gun. Just look at the bolt carrier, it’s just not sufficient for the task at hand. I like guns to last a long, long time and I don’t think this one will stand up to the cartridge. Just my $.02. Kudos on the engineering try, but RELIABILITY is rather important in a firearm.
Darn I saw you holding this gun and said yup that's my new gun and then you pissed in my cheerios. Can't buy a gun that has any kind of problems
Rack off!
04/11
That's my bolt carrier
I had a POF in 308 very Similar Susie’s took it to my gun smith still couldn’t get it to run right ended selling it to a gun shop. I’ll never purchase another POF rifle
Great video brother
Great video, all talking was relevant and the rest was showing what the gun could do.
I have 5 POF rifles and they are AWESOME rifles dont know if quality fell off after the owner was killed in a car accident!!!!!
SHOULDA GOT THE REVOLUTION PISTON
I did get the Revolution Piston model, and so far I have gone through 272 rounds. These included 200 rounds of .308 Winchester Super X 180 grain (primarily to break in the rifle), 12 rounds of .308 Winchester Super X 150 grain, 40 rounds of .308 Remington Core-Lokt 150 grain, and 20 rounds of .308 Hornady ELD Match 155 grain. (All new ammunition, no reloads. All bought before panic buying stripped the store shelves.)
The only problems that I encountered were with the insertion of the Magpul (polymer) magazines (bolt carrier became seemingly locked in place & with the first round having tried to load--took a firm pull of the charging handle to pull back the bolt carrier). These failures were almost certainly my fault given my tendency to give a (too solid and unnecessary) hard hit to seat the polymer magazines, a leftover bad habit from the first days of the M16. I had NO further problems of any kind once I quit trying to hammer in the magazines.
Over 45 years ago I had 2 different AR-15's (.223 of course), and I honestly did not care for either, although I wanted to like them. Fast-forward to today: I can say with considerable confidence that I do like this rifle that essentially uses the AR-15 platform. (The Revolution is NOT an AR-10.). Also, when a 73-year-old guy with no longer muscular shoulders (and with using no padding) can shoot 272 rounds of .308 in 2 days and not have any shoulder discomfort to speak of, this means that the rifle is a pleasure to shoot.
I do find it quite strange that some independent videos badmouth POF, while others have nothing but praise. It would not surprise me at all if POF's tighter machining tolerances and therefore less slop sometimes results in performance flaws out of the box if proper break-in procedures are not followed. I followed the book for breaking in my rifle, and I am well-pleased with the results.
@@larrywhited3070 thanks for the feedback.
This is extremely disappointing..I remember the same feeling when I took my POF 350 legend pistol shooting and it started doing this every other shot...that upper now sits in my gun safe.
I'm going to pass on this rifle as well. Thanks you saved me
I bet it's over gassed like most .308's and needs a heavier buffer and extra power buffer spring.
Only issue I have with mine is accuracy sucks
WTS pof pos rouge. WT for ammo
Your extractor is the problem. Or you have chamber tolerance issues.
Both of these things were an issue.
'Jammed casing' has nothing to do with the tool that has the regulator gas block fine tuning system and everything to do with not understanding your rifle inside and out
It's not the tool, it's the inefectivity of the user not adjusting the gas regulator on their d.i. gas system
Guess I'll get a mini14.
Thank you for the video.
Wow, poor accuracy & poor reliability? I'm going to Gunbroker and am getting one right now! 🤣
Seems like it's hit or miss with POF, and mostly misses judging by the comments and even the FB group. I had my heart set on a Revolution 308 DI but after reading so many horror stories about POF rifles I don't dare take the chance gambling with that type of money.
Price is dropping on this rifle.POF continues to release beta crap. I love their designs and thinking but they need to get wiser with their QC approach.
I really feel like POF has failed with this light weight 308/6/5 creed projects. I have found mostly negative reviews across the board.
There is a problem with that barrel. My guess- their e2 tech wasnt up to spec and there was a burr in the chamber near the throat
Wanna sell it to me?
Just get a victor 308 . 🇺🇸
Send it to POF.
Dang 💔
I have an AK that groups better than you did with that bolt action 1.75". I'm sorry your POF is giving you fits. I hope it gets better.
That rifle is a piece of junk at the cost of $2500? Not me.
Is this di or piston
DI
Agreed..I'm selling it and taking a 800 dollar hit
I purchased a 300 blackout, pistol, then a 5.56 rifle a few days later. Unfortunately, I did not shot the 300 prior to 5.56 purchase. BOTH guns were new, shot premium ammo and both had the same problem with jam/cycling. Spoke to factory, he finally told me” yeah, we are not happy with some of the parts that we have been getting.” I am very disappointed, spent $4000 grams on the two guns, have no confidence in them. PURE JUNK!!
Wow won't be buying 1 now
Mine shoots great so far
Bro, this video has got to be a joke, this guy obviously didn’t look into this rifle and is shooting PMC X-Tac ammo 🤦♂️ smh, maybe he shouldn’t have bought if he is gonna treat it like shit
Water is liquid, snow is cold, birds are singing, sun is shining, AR is jamming. It is normal way of life :) It is not POF only, it is about entire AR platform.