I just purchased a brand new POF Revolution in .308, brought it home and fired two rounds with similar results. One round fired, the next round stuck in the chamber. I had to mortar the rifle to extract the stuck rounds. My $800 Palmetto State Armory runs great right out of the box, my $2,600 POF, not so much. I am calling the Tech Center tomorrow. Using PMC brass cased 150 grain new manufactured ammo.
POF rifles, both piston and DI, are outstanding weapon systems. I would buy several more if I had the money. Would not hesitate to go to war with any of their rifles.
Bought an early POF upper 14.5, M4 handguard, (discontinued) basic upper back in 06 for almost a thousand bucks. It is so insanely over-gassed, 1:10rds blows a primer or rips off a rim. Recoil was insanely high and Ejection was at the 1-2 O'clock position. the delta ring was taking a beating and carbine buffers at the face and rear delrin bumper were getting crushed from high bolt speeds. To mitigate the shoddy design, I had to bore out the gas plug as seen on later models, because nobody at the factory had done so. this did add some dwell time and reduce rim rips but primers still blow sometimes. I also had to get an H3 buffer and heavy spring and reverse the piston to the suppressed setting, just to get ejection down to a 2:30/3oclock pattern. The bolt cam pin was gouging out the upper receiver too, so I had to buy a roller cam pin to reduce further self destruction of the design. I had to polish and de-burr the rear of the bolt carrier because it was chewing up buffers fast. It has less than a thousand rounds through it and feels to be nearing its half-life mechanically. there are no replacement pistons or op rods in its specs to be had (proprietary fail) I really had high hopes for piston ARs and bet it all on POF. A costly education, I'll never trust my life to this shoddy FN/FAL style novelty/range toy. Had much better results with an Osprey OPS kit but I'm Humbly going back to DI mid-lengths that did in fact, have timing foremost included in the design. I'm sick of end user beta testing and debugging. These newer spaceguns are hideous. Thank Magpul for conservative MOE furniture that accommodates piston tubes and DI tubes alike.
bought my POF Revolution a month ago, I have been shooting Winchester match grade SAMMI specs,I have have numerous failure to extract,and the bolt seizing its cleaned after shooting and properly lubricated,,POF keeps telling me its an ammo issue.
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS Revolution. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. I still have the emails to prove it. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
Do you have an answer for the POF Renegade plus roller cam pin breakage? Why on earth could that happen after a few thousand rounds? Is that a recall item?
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS revolution piston .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
Amazing video not just for pistons. With the explanations, this got me to: Get the longest gas system possible Reduce buffer and carrier weight Adjustable gas block I have an amazing reliable gun now. Thanks!
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS revolution piston .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
Kyguns, I have found that all gun manufactures have at least one thing in common; their products have let me down at one time of another! A function problem with a POF is usually a gas issue and there are only two courses of action to fix it. 1) make sure the gas plug (on later models) is in the normal position (as apposed to the suppressed position) or on older models, make sure the piston is in stalled in the normal position (on older rifles, gas pressure is regulated by ports in the piston rather that ports in the gas plug). I have seen very competent, no BS experts, install the piston or gas plug in the wrong (suppressed) position, so don't feel bad if this fixes it! If the plug or piston is in the correct position, send that sucker back to POF and they will fix it or make it right. A buddy of mine was having a similar problem with a new P308 and they sent him a band new upper in less than a week. Don't just throw it in the mail, though. Call POF, talk to John in sales, and he will tell you how to get it done. Hope this helps. As for the "aggressive" cleaning, what happens is after many (like thousands) of rounds, especially steel-cased ammo coated with all that resin crap, a bunch of junk builds up in the throat area of the chamber. This usually will not cause a function problem, what you will see is a marked reduction in accuracy, and/or, over-pressure symptoms (ejector marks on the case head and blown / cratered primers). The build up can be very tough to get out, however, because POF heat treats make the chamber and bore so hard (70 Rockwell) you can get pretty medieval on it! I had this happen to my P308. One day it instantly went from a sub-MOA tack driver to a 3 MOA lead slinger. After checking everything I could think of, I chucked a chamber brush in drill and went to town on it! I will admit it made kinda quezzy using a power tool to clean a rifle, but it worked. Shoots like a POF again!
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS Revolution in .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
I want the standard operator so bad. I can't afford it, I should of went to college lol! Very nice looking though and I love the piston idea of keeping the chamber cleaner. Hey POF please move to Utah so I can work for you.
I have the pof 14.5 inch 308, i love the look of this rifle, and the feel is supurb..the function has been terrible...i have done the aggressive cleaning procedure as instructed by the factory to no avail, i still have a single fire gun that will not pick up the second round...waste of 2500.0
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS revolution piston .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
im not saying pof rifles are not worth there cost i finger fucked one at my local shop and was amazed at the quality and detail. BUT, going just of what he said in the video all you have to do is add an adjustable gas block to your 1200-1500 dollar ar 10 and you fix all the issues he mentioned without buying a POF rifle. only problem is you still dont have an end rifle at the quality level and precision of a POF rifle just a more reliable cheaper rifle.
i bought a POF .308 edge and my experience have not been any close to good...have FTE problems with any round i sent it to POF last month and when i got it back same problem i honestlr think they are over advertised bad kudos!!
I just purchased a brand new POF Revolution in .308, brought it home and fired two rounds with similar results. One round fired, the next round stuck in the chamber. I had to mortar the rifle to extract the stuck rounds. My $800 Palmetto State Armory runs great right out of the box, my $2,600 POF, not so much. I am calling the Tech Center tomorrow. Using PMC brass cased 150 grain new manufactured ammo.
The m1 garand and m14 rifles gas piston system about 100 years old and always working ! Why not good?
POF rifles, both piston and DI, are outstanding weapon systems. I would buy several more if I had the money. Would not hesitate to go to war with any of their rifles.
Bought an early POF upper 14.5, M4 handguard, (discontinued) basic upper back in 06 for almost a thousand bucks. It is so insanely over-gassed, 1:10rds blows a primer or rips off a rim. Recoil was insanely high and Ejection was at the 1-2 O'clock position. the delta ring was taking a beating and carbine buffers at the face and rear delrin bumper were getting crushed from high bolt speeds. To mitigate the shoddy design, I had to bore out the gas plug as seen on later models, because nobody at the factory had done so. this did add some dwell time and reduce rim rips but primers still blow sometimes. I also had to get an H3 buffer and heavy spring and reverse the piston to the suppressed setting, just to get ejection down to a 2:30/3oclock pattern. The bolt cam pin was gouging out the upper receiver too, so I had to buy a roller cam pin to reduce further self destruction of the design. I had to polish and de-burr the rear of the bolt carrier because it was chewing up buffers fast. It has less than a thousand rounds through it and feels to be nearing its half-life mechanically. there are no replacement pistons or op rods in its specs to be had (proprietary fail) I really had high hopes for piston ARs and bet it all on POF. A costly education, I'll never trust my life to this shoddy FN/FAL style novelty/range toy. Had much better results with an Osprey OPS kit but I'm Humbly going back to DI mid-lengths that did in fact, have timing foremost included in the design. I'm sick of end user beta testing and debugging. These newer spaceguns are hideous. Thank Magpul for conservative MOE furniture that accommodates piston tubes and DI tubes alike.
Just buy a new gun
Thank you 😊
what is the standard distance from fore bore to gas block and gas block to muzzle?
Funny pof is showing the exact failure to extract issue my rouge has but when I call them they say it’s an ammo issue
bought my POF Revolution a month ago, I have been shooting Winchester match grade SAMMI specs,I have have numerous failure to extract,and the bolt seizing its cleaned after shooting and properly lubricated,,POF keeps telling me its an ammo issue.
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS Revolution. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. I still have the emails to prove it. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
@@qwertyui859 I wasted 2,700 dollars on a rifle I would NOT feel comfortable taking into battle. I agree with you 100%.
What's interesting is that every time I see someone have a problem with a POF it's always the 308's. I've had no issues with my 415.
Yes my 308 was horrible and I sold it
Do you have an answer for the POF Renegade plus roller cam pin breakage? Why on earth could that happen after a few thousand rounds? Is that a recall item?
got two. the PURITAN 762x39 and 308 Revolt..
Wish my pof 308 shot without malfunctions never got thru a mag without at least 2
Which model is it ? I’ve seen the p308 have no issues
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS revolution piston .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
fine work price in us dollars?
I got the rogue. Worst accuracy of any gun I've ever owned
That glashutte original minute repeater thou
Amazing video not just for pistons. With the explanations, this got me to:
Get the longest gas system possible
Reduce buffer and carrier weight
Adjustable gas block
I have an amazing reliable gun now. Thanks!
joshv06 That is correct, the piston is unnecesary...
This is the way.
They do. California Game Wardens just adopted POF's P308 as their primary rifle.
I'd only buy a POF if they produced a 10" or shorter gun, and got that handguard down to size.
just buy a pistol lol! having a 10 inch barrel is a waste of gunpowder for a .308 or 223!
I carry a Glock 29 -3.48" barrel and I load it hot with Underwood 180. Done!
Georgia Fan there's your problem, you should carry Sig.
I have one! MCX in .223 - Geissele 2 stage - love it!
shame pof's customer service is terrible
POF
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS revolution piston .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
i wish POF make assault rifle for the military and LE or brave heros need the best of the best
Kyguns, I have found that all gun manufactures have at least one thing in common; their products have let me down at one time of another! A function problem with a POF is usually a gas issue and there are only two courses of action to fix it. 1) make sure the gas plug (on later models) is in the normal position (as apposed to the suppressed position) or on older models, make sure the piston is in stalled in the normal position (on older rifles, gas pressure is regulated by ports in the piston rather that ports in the gas plug). I have seen very competent, no BS experts, install the piston or gas plug in the wrong (suppressed) position, so don't feel bad if this fixes it! If the plug or piston is in the correct position, send that sucker back to POF and they will fix it or make it right. A buddy of mine was having a similar problem with a new P308 and they sent him a band new upper in less than a week. Don't just throw it in the mail, though. Call POF, talk to John in sales, and he will tell you how to get it done. Hope this helps.
As for the "aggressive" cleaning, what happens is after many (like thousands) of rounds, especially steel-cased ammo coated with all that resin crap, a bunch of junk builds up in the throat area of the chamber. This usually will not cause a function problem, what you will see is a marked reduction in accuracy, and/or, over-pressure symptoms (ejector marks on the case head and blown / cratered primers). The build up can be very tough to get out, however, because POF heat treats make the chamber and bore so hard (70 Rockwell) you can get pretty medieval on it! I had this happen to my P308. One day it instantly went from a sub-MOA tack driver to a 3 MOA lead slinger. After checking everything I could think of, I chucked a chamber brush in drill and went to town on it! I will admit it made kinda quezzy using a power tool to clean a rifle, but it worked. Shoots like a POF again!
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS Revolution in .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
I call bs I’ve been running a pof 415 for over a year not one problem with the system
I want the standard operator so bad. I can't afford it, I should of went to college lol! Very nice looking though and I love the piston idea of keeping the chamber cleaner. Hey POF please move to Utah so I can work for you.
I have the pof 14.5 inch 308, i love the look of this rifle, and the feel is supurb..the function has been terrible...i have done the aggressive cleaning procedure as instructed by the factory to no avail, i still have a single fire gun that will not pick up the second round...waste of 2500.0
I have both a SCAR 17 and a POS revolution piston .308. My SCAR-H is awesome. It shoots 1/2 to 1 MOA with a large variety of ammunition. The POF is horrible in comparision. It runs around 1.5 MOA with any kind of match ammo you can think of, and 2-4 MOA with most other loads. It is not any were near as reliable as the SCAR 17. The POF had lots of quality control issues out of the box, like loose handguard screws. The company blamed it on me, telling me that I should have checked all of that....telling me that I should be in charge of Quality control on a $2700 rifle. Before I purchased it, I carefully inquired as to if I would have any issues with running my Yankee Hill titanium Phantom suppressors. They told me all I would have to do is send it to them to have the gas system tuned. I did that. I cannot remove the gas piston for maintenance, because the piston is so close to the end of the barrel it won't clear the suppressor adapter. POF has horrible customer service. I asked if I could trade the piston upper for a DI upper with the adjustable gas block, figuring that would solve the issue. They have refused to help in any way. I sincerely hope they go out of business. What a Piece Of Shit company.
How to regulate a gas system on a AR find a barrel from a company that knows how to drill all the Gasport size for the length of the gas system
im not saying pof rifles are not worth there cost i finger fucked one at my local shop and was amazed at the quality and detail.
BUT, going just of what he said in the video all you have to do is add an adjustable gas block to your 1200-1500 dollar ar 10 and you fix all the issues he mentioned without buying a POF rifle.
only problem is you still dont have an end rifle at the quality level and precision of a POF rifle just a more reliable cheaper rifle.
Build that rifle you described and make a video.
i bought a POF .308 edge and my experience have not been any close to good...have FTE problems with any round i sent it to POF last month and when i got it back same problem i honestlr think they are over advertised bad kudos!!
Made in Pakistan
too bad they failed to realize how ugly their guns are