Everything Wrong with Marvel's What If... ZOMBIES!? (Zombie Sins)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2021
- Marvel's What If series went over if a zombie outbreak occurred with the world's most powerful superheroes... how does it hold up for zombie fanatics though? Do the smartest people on the planet know how to have common sense against the undead? Whats it like when Iron Man turns into Dead Man? AND WHATS THE DEAL WITH PAUL RUDD!? Lets find out today
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Yes, I realized i screwed up the sin count with this one. My bad guys xP I had the total at 64 on my script and it came out to 64 depsite the errors, so TECHNICALLY its correct... i think. Either way have a WOW DAY!
I think the Freudian Excuse for Hope getting the dramatically slow turn is because she uses Pym Particles, which gives her some resistance or understanding of the Quantum Viris. It seems like a good excuse, but an excuse nonetheless.
Ill add 2 sins because the pilot landed IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING BRIDGE.
Iron man got infected by Hank because in endgame it showed ant man getting into iron mans armor to. Yeah
We all make mistakes Mr. Gaming. Like that one time I ran out in the open as a boomer towards the survivors on the finale in dark carnival and they all had rifles.
ant man really bugged me in this video
that "convenient" timing for the hulk is literally how the hulk works, if banner is gonna die, it forces a transformation, saving him, him not transforming the rest of the time is dumb, but this part is accurate
Guess not cause he didn't transform in infinity war when his hulk buster was getting shitted on. This show just has shit writing
@@klog2511 you gotta think about it tho thanos and his forces were the reason hulk didn’t want to come out as shown in the start of the episode when the children of thanos showed up and he didn’t want to transform. By this time in the episode hulk realizes these zombies are no threat to him
@Daniel Ruelas no the hulks pride was hurt that’s never happened to him. He wasn’t scared of Thanos troops he was defeated before that by Thanos.
@@tomascasterwell2279 true my bad I own my mistake
Well the hulk comes out when banner is A. In danger or B. Angry, banner was saved before the danger portions became too close and banner is scared/wigged out.... Not angry tho
Finally someone calls out the bridge thing and why Wasp didn't kill off the rest of the super zombies.
Doesn't she have to collect pheromones to do the swarm thing?
Tony Stark's armor survived a moon crashing on him wtf
this was a fan-service episode
@@QuinoLising they are all literally fan service episodes
@@spectredeadgaming7874 ..good point
I'm questioning how they were even able to damage black panther..suit is literally made out of vibranium
It hurts my soul more that Spider man’s spider senses quite literally can detect any danger instantaneously, but those zombies somehow got right up to him without him noticing or hearing them
The Spider-Sense in the MCU was pretty undeveloped by that point, so I guess it's kinda justified?
Well I do want to say in all versions of Spider-Man he has to activate it himself and normally it doesn’t work without concentration.
@@lelandholmquist2467 Bro activate it himself??? Bro every Spiderman i’ve ever seen unconsciously had it with or without their input
Also its a zombie apocalypse, why would it not be active 24/7
@@Xportbob well spider sense makes him see, hear, and even just well sense everything which would be a huge drain on him to have it on 24/7.
@@lelandholmquist2467 I don’t think its ever been stated that it drains him
"Wear long sleeves"
*Tony literally wearing a nano-tech titanium alloy suit that could make Thanos bleed*
His sleeves weren’t long enough
@@whitedragoness23Bullshit
When I saw Tchalla get overrun earlier, I was a bit annoyed considering it is vibranium armor, but I was glad he survived. But Iron Man however should've survived too.
His nano techs can be damaged
@@jonahlink987 we see in the episode that a swarm of wasps can’t destroy his armor
How can a bite get through the armor
Actually he didn't. If you look closely, Tchalla was still fighting the zombies
I think either Hank Pym or Janet went small and slipped in.
@@CassDaMan1138 he would have made upgrades so that can't happen again like in civil war
The only reason for Vison to feed Wanda was a reference to the comics, since in the comic it worked like how the zombies in Return of the Livinf Dead did, where it was a unending hunger they felt, and when they ate they would gain their sense of self and their thinking skills back for a time, and it was the comic Antman who did something similar, but he was feeding himself as a zombie so he could try to find a cure.
True you Right I read all the marvel zombies Comics And you're right I haven't seen Wanda as a zombie But you gotta think about it what about ghost rider have am I right or am I right
@@raceemrobinson2578 I remember Ghost Rider was somehow a zombie in the original Zombies line but he was only around for a few moments before getting offed pretty much instantly
That's what i thought of too when i saw that but, the difference here is obviously these zombies doesn't work that way
@@zombied3stroy3r9gaming4 he shouldn't have beem able to be turned into a zombie since hes just basically living hellfire
@@Nob911 I think it was speculated he got infected as Johnny, not the Rider and so turned in a zombified Ghost Rider. But for as powerful a character as he is, he went out like he was just a piece of paper in a shredder
if the zombies retain memories on how to use their weapons on suits, how come tony didn't put up his helmet and make his suit tight enough to keep out even the smallest of bugs? it would've been cool to see the zombie iron man survive this attack and all the others before being set up as the final antagonist along with thanos. at this point, he does have the nano suit which definitely could fight off attackers like larger bugs
Then it would make even less sense how he got infected if not even bugs can enter the suit.
Because hank can reduce himself to the size of molecules basically which Wow forgot to mention that in the vid
Actually it's worse when you consider that Tony always improves his suit based on previous battles. So considering he had already fought Antman and experienced him breaching his suit, 9 times out of 10 he'd had already had an upgrade in that suit to prevent that.
It’s a solid suit of nanobots that doesn’t have like, holes in the armor so…
Him dying constantly is like...inevitable or imo LAZY WRITING
wonder how the hell can't ironman, falcon,strange, and scarlet just fly and stay off the ground
Plot
The opisite of plot armor
@@Eventualmoss315 I deeply apologize for being a grammar Nazi, but the proper word is "Opposite"
@@Eventualmoss315 plot sword or plot gun works
I guess iron man didn't want to leave them behind and was a little too confident in his weapons, and then apparently, his vibranium nanotech armor was penetrated by zombie teeth or they probably ripped it out. And now because Iron Man was pathetically infected, there is a flying zombie with strong armor that even the air isn't safe
One major plothole you missed was how the main group living in suspended train cars was completely pointless considering zombie Iron Man can fly and Doctor Strange could just teleport inside.
Very true. Especially since Strange or another sorcerer could detect them via telepathy or something
Weren’t they both killed by Wasp?
It should also be noted that Spidey's webbing dissolves after a certain amount of time...
@@WowSuchGaming peter just recently made those train cart base. Since his eebs dissolve in hours.
Strange/wong can only go to places they know.
"I should be sad, but I'm not" might be the funniest line in the what if series
This one line is funny because it shows off their relationship at this point in the franchise, but I feel that it sums up the episode as a whole. We saw a good number of our favorite heroes die in front of us and I think I felt bad for one or two of them.
Or it's because Falcon is a shit character.
I died at that shit lmao
@@zachgamemaster3329
"at this point in the franchise"
As in before Infinity War, Endgame, and TFATWS?
Also, felt for just some of them?
@@dylansharp8471 Corect me if I'm wrong, but as of this movie (Infinity War), Sam and Bucky had a reluctant relationship with each other. They were both friends with Steve and that was where it ended. The times they interacted together were more hostile than friendly banter.
As for feeling bad some of them died, I don't feel we got the time to morn the fallen. When happy got turned, it was more of a joke with him still saying "Blam." When Sharon turned, we were more focused on the Cap/Bucky fight and when we got back to Sheron, it was another joke. We've seen that Bucky can survive a great fall and that The Hulk's skin can't be broken by the zombies, so theose two I really don't worry about. The only two that I really cared about was Hope and Okoye. As for the Zombie Avengers, they just felt like minibosses. One shows up, we see who it is, they are killed, we say something, and we move on. We needed a longer episode and less quips to take in the deaths.
*"Because the plot needs tension rather than explanation."*
- Wow Such Gaming
Modern American movies in a nutshell.
This is basically most video games.
@@LazyLoonz yes but unlike movie, you have to actually execute the actiob and you can fail. Not in movies.
Thats why tomb raider movie sucks, the tension of getting killed if you fail a qte, a plateforming sequence or a shooting segment is here while in movies well there isnt that much tension
@@flow185 Precisely. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.
I feel like ant man's constant joking was the only one that made sense, he's already a head in a jar and everyone you loved is dead at that point he has no reason to take anything seriously and the humor to cope makes sense.
The problem with the MCU as a whole is they constantly undercut moments by having a character crack a one liner.
Yeah true, they need to have at least one movie without the unnecessary quips.
DC sucks!
@@someguy4852
1. Nobody even mentioned DC. Glad to see DC is just living rent free in your head.
2. The OP comment is completely right about the MCU’s lack of tension and overabundance of stupid quips.
3. DC’s best movies make Marvel look downright pathetic. Oh, and read DCeased.
@@Gojirawars03 I wouldn't say that the DCEU has a lot of great movies. A few sure but not the same amount as the MCU imo.
@@eropandasennin13 I think they mean DC movies as a whole
Got excited for Marvel Zombies, and it's just regular zombies who sometimes remember how to do stuff...
They didn't even give the Zombies the quipping ability they were so fond of. THEY HAVE THAT IN MARVEL ZOMBIES.
Marvel Zombies in the comics were basically zombies who were still sort of people, a bit like the 'braaaaains' crowd. they eat people out of addiction, they think, they talk, they make plans, some want to cure themselves, some want to spread the disease almost religiously, some even have their powers change!
Even in the crossover with Ash Williams, zombies Wolverine say to the Necronomicon that they also go to the bathroom, after that, he gives the book to hulk so they can use it like....toilet papel
There is really worse fates than death
@@mateoreyes6921 that's a shitty situation....
@@zacksilverstone7642 Get out
@@zacksilverstone7642 get ooooouuuuutttttttt!!!! * points at the door *
These guys are basically vampires, while this one are more truly zombies.
Also, don’t spiderman’s webs dissolve in however many hours? Does he just redo their setup every few hours?
And re the “zombies snuck up on Spider-Man” one, he literally has super hearing, how did that even happen lol
The web thing isn't hard to believe because, as you said, he just redoes them. However, Spider-man has never had super hearing as his natural power. You're thinking of Spider-sense, a premonition ability. The MCU, for some reason, wanted him to not have this ability at the start and something he develops over time (see Far From Home for example).
@@PresidentEgg16 either way he would’ve sensed it unless his spider sense isn’t working like in far from home but they never say that
@@JessicasASMR considering it is supposed to follow the same timeline up until Infinity War, yeah it’s not working yet
@@PresidentEgg16 wasn't it established in civil war? i remember him going "Oh god" and then dodging a Sign bucky threw at him
@@despacitobusinessman5101 yes, but he didn’t have control of it then because in many instances where it would go off in Homecoming, it never did
One thing I didn’t get is how the zombies could infect Thanos? His skin is almost unbreakable
What if yellow jacket Infected him
I mean someone could've bitten Bruce banner and then zombie hulk could probably do it?
Probably the power of friendship or something like that
@@tash5186 we saw at the end that hulks skin is too tough to be bitten as well
@@austinmiller8356 yea, but not Bruce banner, what if he got infected as a human, and then became the hulk as he lost his mind
In the comics Tony Stark gets bitten before he can suit up by the Fantastic Four crashing into his lab
This however, does indeed not make any sense
My guess is Antman was shrunk enough to slip through the armor. Like how in Endgame when they traveled back to 2012 to get the space stone. They could have explained this, but with the amount of time they had; they had to put either explanation or jokes and they obviously went with jokes
@@maneoj46 that would make sense. If his nanotech wasn't fully sealed.
@@Tainted_Human Ant man can go subatomic but then the question is how'd he get back to normal size
unless he just ... didn't
The ants weren't infected even though they ate the zombies which makes no sense at all.
@@maneoj46 nah, the nano suit was made for someone like ant-man from getting in his suit.
WSG: “Minus one sin”
Sin Counter: *nah I don’t think so*
The only way I can see iron man being infected is by captain america, he's mostly likely the only one with the strength to break that armor open enough and allow someone like ant man to crawl inside after the suit had been damaged.
But even that couldn't save how bad this episode was with it's plot holes.
Na iron man tanked thanos hits bruh cap has nothing on that
@@shadowlegend2948 well think about it, captain America’s shield is made of a tougher material, it’s vibranium said to be one of the strongest metal alloys in the marvel universe, regardless I doubt stark would let that happen since he learned how cap fights
Since we seen Captain American both comics and MCU break the helmet when he pinned iron man down and just jabbed at the same area
I agree with how stupid tony turned into a zombie. He could literally tell E.D.I.T.H to destroy the entire bridge with missiles and gun them down with drones.
And he could've flown above the bridge away from the zombies. And bombed them himself. Remember he's wearing the mark 50. A suit he could make missiles from.
And he could've called on all the armors he'd made since the start of Age Of Ultron.
Honestly surprised he never used that in endgame
Same thing with Sam, he has drones and can literally fly and make his wings shields and rapid fire wrist pistols and uzi’s
If he did that there would be no plot sadly
Being near zombies lowers one’s IQ
18:35 What makes this even worse is that they do that in the fucking comic it's based off of. In the comic, it's explained that the zombies, if not fed for long enough don't starve but rather get over the hunger and realize it's just an illusion. Janet Van Dyne is infected but gets her head cut off and stuffed into a jar (What they were referencing with ant-man) and eventually when she realizes the hunger is just an illusion, is given a robotic body by the survivors who saved her. She fights alongside them against the other infected as proof that there is coming back from what has happened.
What makes it worse is that, in my opinion, she's one of the best characters in the story next to spiderman and Ant-Man.
So yeah, in my head cannon they are given 5 Sins since they could've done a clever illusion to one of the best characters from the comics but refused.
And it wasn't even Ant-Man who discovered or brought in the zombies. It was Mr. Fantastic who did it
@@berserkhunter1981 And then Ant-Man becomes the leader of the infected in the comics yet he's the only one who gets cured here? I was really confused about that.
@@berserkhunter1981 Well, that falls more on The rights And timeline, since we still have no Fantastic 4 in The MCU (yet, i really hope the movie Will be great)
@@berserkhunter1981 not that was after the marvel zombies story started.
it originally began when zombie sentry landed on NYC and attacked the avengers.
@@jacknagel9387 The Ant-Man in the zombie comics and the one in What If are two separate characters, literally. Hank Pym is the ant man in the comics and Scott Lang is the Ant Man here. Hank is a very smart individual, probably smarter than Stark, and in the comics the FF were stuck in the Ultimate Universe for a while so it makes one of the smartest zombies would become the leader.
also in regards to Hopes death, in Antman & The Wasp It was explained that when someone grows to giant size the Air becomes harder to breathe which makes the person pass out from a lack of oxygen. When she fell into the horde she didn’t die she just passed out that's why she didn’t fight back as much.
I hope I cleared this up ok for you :)
Thanks!
"He just offs himself by pulling the mind stone out of his skull"
Which I could have swore he was explicitly stated to be unable to do but whatever why start being consistent now.
I'm pretty sure the whole reason they went to wakanda was because they couldn't take it out without killing him, not that he couldn't take it out at all.
I'm also confused. Why did he have to kill himself. It's been a while since I bothered to watch it. So was that ever explained? Cause it seems he could've just went with them without ripping it out and triggering the hordes
@@Tainted_Human he killed himself because he brought people and other heros to his "safe" haven, but he fed anyone who showed up to his wife wanda.
He didn’t say he was unable to do it.
He said he was unable to do it without killing himself.
So if you want to complain that marvel isn’t being consistent then maybe listen to what they are saying
Yeah, I like What if, but I didn’t really like this episode as much as the other ones. I liked the premise, I love me a post apocalypse scenario, whether it be post zombie apocalypse or nuclear apocalypse, but yeah this episode could have been done better. The zombies, especially the heroes, are so inconsistent that it actually hurts.
Agreed, and looking at other Marvel zombies stuff it constantly feels like they are trying to kill off the title with all the awful comics that came after 'Marvel zombies return'. Even the big reboot 'Marvel zombies ressurection' wasn't that good, it feels more like they want super zombies in the background to use as a gimmick but don't actually want to write any decent zombie stories.
I just thought the whole series as a whole was mediocore. Episode 1 was peggy's impressive ng+ any% speedrun of cap 1, and 5 was just......inconsistent. How did thanos turn? He has skin like hulk too, and is in fact much stronger than hulk. Iron Man's death was somehow even worse.
I thought the episode was squandered potential even though I enjoyed it. Really I’m just impressed this was even made under the Disney banner. But I figured they would scrub away all the darker elements to protect brand image and appeal to the kids they probably wanna avoid traumatizing.
@@steampunkmage9073 marvel zombies resurrections were controlled by parasites while the og marvel zombies was made by the watcher that infected the sentry and sent them back in time.
@@alpha-1redrighthand829 Not a big fan of Resurrections, I feel that it spent too much time focusing on the mystery of the zombies and the timeskip over the outbreak was unsatisfying. If I had to suggest another zombie like marvel comic I suggest taking a look a the 'Last Gun on Earth' series (Marvel Universe vs The Punisher, Marvel Universe vs Wolverine, and Marvel Universe vs The Avengers), has a satisfying coverage of the outbreak and gives a neat look into how people survive/handle this scenario.
Is it possible zombie antman could have found some kind of opening in iron mans armor to infect him?
Ant man infecting iron man is the only reason I can think of in terms of how he got infected.
I can think of another possibility, do you notice how Zombie Tony's missing his helmet? I think they tore it off and ate his face.
@@angrysonicbird6779 it could be possible he took the helmet off after he got infected just so he can munch munch on tasty humans
This is after civil war. Tony would have definitely upgraded his suits so what Scott did to his armor couldn't happen again. There's also no way zombies are tearing off the helmet that can take blasts from the IG & have a moon fall on it
@@supersaiyanshonathan but we have to consider, that civil war ended differently. Thats why Tchala, Iron Man and Cap are together and thats why is Bucky around. I think there wasnt any airport battle, thus no uprages were made.
@@supersaiyanshonathan isn't that just a headcanon?
I’m surprised to see they made the comic an animated thing. Marvel tends to stay away from darker scenarios including blood. Though I guess this is more “inspired by” their own comic
I don't think Thanos would be snapping everyone into zombies, I think he's going to snap and make them all human so he can eat them. Then when everyone's back as zombies, he'll do the snap again.
Marvel Zombies retain their intelligence and emotions, so it’s possible that Zombie Tony Stark, Wong, and Doctor Strange held back against Bruce.
I mean, the Spiderman in the comic instantly devoured his wife and aunt, so it doesn't make sense, even more so since it looks more like in this setting that they don't even make attempts to talk, so why would they be conscious enough to hold back?
@@518meow Wanda was conscious enough to grieve Vision’s death and they all showed the ability to strategize. It would make sense.
@@518meow That was Hunger Virus this is Quantum Virus or that type of ****
Or they are the same
@@o6l9o The one in the What If is inspired directly off of the Hunger
I think Zombie Thanos wouldn't turn the whole universe into zombies. To me, I think he would double it's population, and maybe a way to leave earth.
Here's a plot hole a zombie Thanos
@@J32X1 I- well- ok, I got nothing. How the heck did Thanos get bit when hulk couldn't?
I guess it's because he bleeds easier then Hulk? Has Hulk ever bled on screen?
@@angrysonicbird6779 I mean... he lost a tooth during a fight with Iron man... but... not sure if he actually ever bled.
@@alphys1172 he didn't lose a tooth, Tony actually managed make a wound (even if it was a small one). I don't really remember Hulk bleeding unless it was from Banner first.
@@angrysonicbird6779 No no the hulk lost a tooth
I would say that Ebony Maw's sadistic nature carried over after his zombification. So when he lifts Bruce into the air he wants to induce as much fear as possible before killing him.
I can understand your annoyance at how Peter is acting, but it's honestly something consistent that's been going on throughout the comics and shows and, to a smaller extent, the MCU
The reason Peter does so many quips and such when fighting villains is because he's scared, scared he might fail or even die, so he uses humor and especially quips as a coping mechanism to deal with that, so that people will think he has everything under control and even to convince himself everything is fine. The MCU version does do this to a smaller extent as he has yet to truly become Spider-Man, but I'm betting a zombie outbreak killing his loved ones and father figure, would probably bring out that side of him
Peter gets a pass.
But why EVERY CHARACTERS need a shitty one liner everytime
@@flow185 exactly
@@flow185 it's why I don't like What If.
suprising enothe its not even that bad of situaction/universe for spidey
scott watches one of his best friends presumably die painfully and he takes a moment to mourn the loss of his- WENGUARDIAN LEVIOUSA
Remember, it’s wingardium Levio-SA, not wingardium levi-O-sa.
@@MrNickPresley you got that backwards
@@lordhawkridge4116 Do I? That explains much..
@@MrNickPresley it happens to the best of us my friend
Zombie Hermione wants to address pronunciation, but can only say "uuuurghhhhh"
"I hate you 3000" Oof, this really made my day LOL
The actual comic marvel zombies make more sense because everyone maintains most of their intelligence and its spreads super fast after quicksilver is bitten
16:40
That one sin being added instead of removed screws up your Nintendo 64 joke at the end
I can't help but love Paul Rudd and his dumb dad jokes.
The episode itself? Okay-ish. Lacked blood and gore too.
It's still marvel they gotta be pg-13
@@siebedegryse That might be more of a Disney thing as the original comic was somewhat more graphic.
@@eropandasennin13 Those comics were msde by Robert Kirtman(the one that made the The Walking Dead comics) as a hobby
I really wanted more gore too, like, the capt bite off the other arm of the winter soldier so he would 2 metal arms, but i guess Marvel/Disney don't enough balls
Honestly I’m just impressed this sort of thing was made under the Disney banner. I feel like studio heads would be hesitant to depicting childhood heroes as flesh eating monsters. Though blood and gore was never on the table I feel like.
While there wasn't really any blood or gore, but for a Disney marvel show? Definitely the bloodiest the MCU has been.
You don’t even realize how the hell did Iron Man even get it in the first place considering he has nano armor?
And not just any armor the mark 50 armor that’s arguably his strongest armor he should’ve mowed all those zombies down
Ayyy I recognise that toad
Would Jarvis really have allowed Iron Man to go around killing people?
They totally missed out on having Iron Man either be a hero, but silent, the whole time and then they find out it's Jarvis controlling the suit with a zombie Stark inside it, or finding him entombed in his own suit.
thanks but fuck you for making me remember THAT iron monster
i didn't meant thanks but its really cool idea
My problem with this is how constantly they are killing infected. They already established there's a possible cure that can bring the infected back to a normal state, and yet rather than incapacitating them so there's the least amount of casualties when they do return, it's just constant slaughter after slaughter, going so far to even kill other superheroes, teammates, or better yet, kill someone who was alive literal *seconds* ago. Some of them don't even feel bad about it too. Bucky feels bad for sawing Cap in half, Pete mourns Happy, and Sharon feels bad for killing Happy. Yet fucking Hope literally flies into Sharon's mouth, blows her up for absolutely no reason, and then cracks a goddamn oneliner as if she didn't just kill one of her friends. No cure is going to bring back Sharon's splatter all over the inside of a train car.
How exactly do you incapacitate a zombie? No, really, how? They're dead, so they don't pass out or knockout like we humans do cause ya kinda have to be alive to that. I'm pretty sure even if there was a chance of a cure, you'd still kill a few zombies to be able to get to it it's called self-preservation and killing a few to save the many.
Zombies*
Ur very ignorant on this topic. The cure probably was to prevent the living from becoming zombies, also they dont have time to think about "incapacitating". The zombie heroes are too strong for incapacitating so they have to kill them, I dont understand why ur mad about that. If someone you knew became a zombie, would you think to knock them out or would your instincts kick in and you'd kill them
@@Tribrid-zv3nq If someone you loved became an undead, chances are you're not going to kill them, not without hesitation, due to the fact most people aren't psychopaths and have no empathy to turn on a dime and kill someone they've known for years. You're the one being ignorant, because if anything the characters in this short *relished* killing their once-friends, even if they're recently turned.
Also nice job necroing my year-long comment.
@@wickermind6668 lol ok bud, ur still the ignorant one here. The characters have gotten used to this so it wouldnt phase them much just as how Bucky said "I should be feeling sad, but I dont". Chances are, no one is gonna take the time to think to knock them out. Your first instinct would be to kill them. Also, it doesnt matter how long ago your comment was, if someone sees it they can reply to it at any time
This isn't really a "What if" thing. This is just a zombie story they wanted to tell. What if the MCU was overwhelmed by a quantum zombie Plague?
1.) The Avengers wouldn't set down in a heavily infested zone just to fight off a few zombies, they would he looking for a cure. They're not just a fighting force, they're a global threat initiative.
2.) Iron Man would be THE LAST person turned... probably in the entire universe. Not only is he completely sealed away from the outside world in his very very bite proof armor, he has nanomachines in his blood that he could use to counter the infection.
3.) Tony would have a bio-disaster contingency, with bio-containment suits for each Avenger. They are the most important as they have the tools to reverse the damage.
The people that wrote this don't know the MCU at all. They just thought of a fanfic and labeled it "What if...". Boooo 0/10
This is basically like the Anti Life virus from DCeased. The only difference is that you can't get infected from digital screen infections.
You've never read the Marvel Zombies series from 2002 have you?
True like I don’t like how they made this show
At least there's no plot armour in it. I could at least expect that.
Iron Man Was One of the First Avengers to Get Infected in Marvel Zombies: Dead Days. He Was Bitten While Trying to get into his armor
To be fair, when Happy was shot with an arrow, sometimes it takes a while to feel the pain if it happens ao fast. I experienced getting a cut before, no pain for a few seconds to a minute just numb, but after like 1min the pain is felt.
The phrase "Shock is a hell of a pain med" does exist for a reason.
Comparing a cut to getting pierced lol
You're serious???
@@JetBlack2024 because..its the same? its still a human body
you realize people have been shot and didnt realize before, right? some thought they were punched / stumbled against something, so..
22:50 "No pun about hope?"
Nagito is that you...
4:40 It’s actually a titanium gold alloy, not armor, but your point still stands lol
It is 4:35 actually and it is titanium-gold alloy armor.
It is still armor, but I get your point. You probably meant, that the suit of armor isnt made out of metal and/or iron.
Also Nanotech suit gets ignored, because plot.
@@der_saftmon Oh I was just referencing Tony's comment in the first Iron Man movie lol, but yeah, totally forgot it was Nanotech.
iron man should not have been infected, his strengths have always been adaptation, range, an evasion. he would not have faced an overwhelming ground based force on the ground without so much as even wearing a mask. it kinda annoyed me that every main avenger was just offed immediately to tell the story they wanted too, personally i wouldve liked to seen a survivors guilt tony, or a captain america who failed (which i concede is less likely, his whole thing is cqc and never surrendering)
They should’ve have had Ironman get infected instead of cap. Have him have his helmet off then get bit.
was he wearing the bleeding edge armor?
If not ant man could've bit him through the cracks.
@@Disanem he was wearing Mark 50. The Infinity War armor. The same thing that took, moon pieces being slammed into it, Thanos punching it over and over and then a power stone infused to break permanently. Cap himself would have trouble breaking it. Considering Thanos could punch him (Cap) once and down him. And Thanos punched so hard BP's suit had to release the kinetic force. What I'm saying is.
Tony had a nanotech arsenal on him, also had several armors, E.D.I.T.H, Friday and his armor could take unbelievable force
@@illbadger2076 why and how would Tony have his guard down in the middle of zombies apocalypse?
6:58 the real sin is that they didn’t stay that size. In the marvel universe, becoming smaller comes with the benefit of increased durability, speed etc(basically ant-man powers) because it’s the same tech. Not keeping in that form is the sinful shit because they lost their advantage when most of them have no powers
I just want to mention the whole T'challa is being kept as a food source to satiate a zombie while a cure is made thing is just a reference to the original Marvel Zombies run.
4:30 I think is where the iron man complaints come in. And I 1,000% agree that, a human literally covered in some of the most durable materials on the planet, with practically nuclear, anti tank, anti air, anti infantry and bunker busting abilities, could get overwhelmed by a simple human using 100% of their strength, since we can only use 1/3 of our strength biologically without adrenaline, and if we did we would damage our body an incredible amount which is why we have a limiter. Sure we may be able to lift a car if we were a body builder using 100% of our strength, but Tony's armor can tank BULLETS and be fine, even shot by a tank shell and completely survive it without any skin showing, which a zombie could never do. So I consider this part the absolute worst part in this episode.
don't forget the fact that tony can quite literally just fly
Everybody gangsta till Spider man starts killing zombies with a tactical assault rifle
If they all had M4A1 this would have been way quicker
Zombie Cap did try to bite Bucky but broke his jaw on the vibranium arm.
Oh ok that is cool to think about
The biggest thing for me is how Spiderman doesn't realise the zombies getting up to him. The guy can FEEL THE VIBRATIONS IN DISTURBANCES IN THE AIR FROM MORE THAN A DOZEN METERS AWAY, yet he can't notice the zombies shambling towards him?!
22:00 Fubuki!
You fell into the rabbit hole too?
Excellent.
“Minus one sin”
*Adds sin*
the very existence of this atrocity turns every Minus one sin into a plus one sin (like a zombie infection).
im really disappointed with this episode, my original impression of the series was having the same grounded heros from the movies in alternate timelines, but you never got that here, nothing about the gravity of the situation is ever addressed and everyone takes it like a joke. theres a reason you never see these jokes being made after serious events in the movies, and thats because they take you right out of them
Its a Disney show, what did you expect?
@@Disanem Better than this, apparently.
Coming off Marvel Zombies, this fails along every metric. Doesn’t work as a horror story, because they insist on using that trademark Marvel humor to break any sense of tension over their knee, and never really let it sink in how catastrophic it is that some of the most powerful beings on earth are now flesh-hungry undead. Also, not enough gore. I get that it’s being marketed to a younger audience, and Disney likes to keep things squeaky clean, but this is a story that desperately needs more blood and guts. Zombies are a very visceral brand of horror.
Doesn’t work as a regular story because the pacing is bad, and characters take turns holding the Dumbass Tetrahedron (TM) because the writers don’t know how to advance the plot in a way that makes any logical sense (not that Marvel Zombies is innocent in this regard. Looking at you, Reed Richards). It’s a mess.
@@MrNickPresley Its a fun episode and was definitely not suppose to be taken seriously but hey, what did you expect? Its Disney were talking about they wouldn't put horror and gore on a cartoon show because they'll lose revenue from the children.
Anyways I'm glad you shared your opinion.
@@Disanem The least disney could have done was make it entertaining for anyone other than fanboys but no, not even that.
@@Disanem I dont think this can be a cartoon show. Theres too much gore to be a cartoon show but not enough to be a cool show.
Anyway i though the series was going to be intresting with cool content from the comics appeling to fans but guess i was wrong.
The more i watch it the more boring it is
Even though Happy never made use of it, I was SO happy that some zombie story brought up long sleeves. Even the most detailed franchises don't think of this. The only other story I can remember doing this was Train to Busan, where they taped a bunch of stuff over each their arms.
Pretty funny you have your mind broken by a Harry Potter spell, and your camera shows us a bunch of preserve Pokemon cards in your studio.
Hi, I never usually make requests, but pretty please do the Crazies (yes I know technically not zombies, they are psychos but you did 28 days later!!) Love your videos. Have a wow day 😀
"Minus one sin."
>Adds a sin
6:49
the very existence of this atrocity turns every Minus one sin into a plus one sin (like a zombie infection).
again.
Loved the video WSG, and despite it's flaws I loved this episode of Marvel What If. I do agree with a lot of people that some marvel characters wouldn't have gotten infected so easily such as Wanda, Doctor Strange, Wong, Ebony Maw, Iron Man, and Thanos, here I'll explain why some of my favorite characters would have survived and I'll tell y'all an alternate story for this episode I think would have been better. If you guys havn't seen Infinity War, or Endgame there are SPOILERS ahead so beware.
Ebony Maw is the most powerful member of Thanos's black order and the most powerful of his children and one of the smartest, the reason he had to die so quickly and so easily(blow a hole in the side of his ship and suck him out into space) in Infinity War, is because if he wasn't dead he would have made the job of stopping Thanos almost impossible so they killed him off by doing something he wouldn't have expected, "Yea but the kid seen more movies". Yes he was caught off guard in the episode but once he realized what was happening ie that he was being attacked I'm not sure anyone in Thanos's army knows what a zombie is, but he could have used his powers to annihilate the three zombies quickly or incapacitate them at least he has been shown to maniulate multiple objects and targets with his telekinesis.
Thanos would definitely have not gotten infected so quickly as his hide is about as tough as Hulk's and we seen zombies can't bite the Hulk he also had multiple infinity stones with him when he came to earth, him going to Wakanda like he did in the episode makes no sense either as the only reason he went to Wakanda in the movie was cause that was were the mind stone was, so since vision was in the military base and uninfected Thanos should have shown up there to take the mind stone, he also would have better known about the situation on earth, after two of his subordinates didn't return he would have researched all known threats on earth, sent recon to figure out what happened to black obsidian and Ebony Maw and strategized the situations accordingly.
Ironman makes a little bit more sense actually since we seen that Ant-Man can infiltrate his suit so he still could have been infected by Hank but like WSG said Tony is an incredibly smart individual and would not have been ok with the attack on the goldengate bridge, at least he wouldn't be ok with doing it the way it was done in the episode, he would have known it was best to limit all physicle contact with the infected and attack them from a distance.
Doctor Strange and Wong are in charge of a organization of magic users tasked with defending the earth and the universe from destruction, you would think that even though the zombies were caused by a more scientific explanation that the Masters of the Mystic arts would have gotten involved when corpses started walking around eating the living, and like I said before, Dr. Strange, Wong, and everyone else in the Masters of the Mystic Arts would have known and would have had the means to keep the zombies as far away as possible and take them out from a distance.
For Wanda it's the same point as Strange, Ebony Maw, and Iron-man, She is smart enough to know to keep the infected away from her and has the capabilities to take them out from a distance.
Now I think this episode would have been better if all the characters I just mentioned survived along with the survivors we had in the episode, like in infinity war Bruce would arrive to warn earth about thanos and Strange and Wong would be there to listen but they would also fill him in on what is happening on earth, they hear a commotion outside and see Ebony Maw and Black Obsidian out o the street. Ebony Maw would still get attacked but not by Zombie Strange, Wong, and Tony but a horde of regular zombies upon regaining his composer he would just send Black Obsidian to deal with the "disgusting creatures" trying to overwhelm them. Obsidian would get bitten and turn leading to Ebony Maw having to deal with the problem himself. Bruce gets anxious about the situation but Strange tells him they are going to need Ebony Maw if they're going to fix this whole mess. Strange and Wong teleport Ebony Maw into the Sanctum to have a chat and they propose a truse, as Ebony has seen this virus doesn't just infect humans, if this infection gets off world the whole universe could fall and Thanos's vision of a perfectly balanced universe would never come to fruition. The talks are going well when Tony shows up and begins to voice his displeasure with the plan and after what Bruce seen of Thanos he sides with Tony, Dr. Strange tries to assure them that he doesn't like the plan either and that he wouldn't even consider it if there were another option, if the universe is going to be saved they are going to need to side with Thanos and have him use the power of the infinity stones to wipe all traces of the quantum virus from existence. I'll let your imaginations continue on from here. Thanks for reading guys n' gals!
This was so fun to read, omg u need a job a marvel for real!
Yep all of this is accurate. Nice work
The zombies were fodder as hell, even The Watcher said that when the avengers got infected, they were unstoppable, but they were beaten with EASE. It was so easy to dispatch of them, Iron Man was killed too easy, Cap was beaten so easily, Hawkeye didn't really die, but Falcon was also killed so easily. It defeated the purpose of them being threatening if they were all defeated so easily, the only dangerous one was Wanda.
I hate the jokes in this episode, it's a zombie episode, not a comedy and even then they weren't funny at all. Marvel Zombies was serious, and litterally had a few jokes and was more sad. Bucky should have been more sad when beating Captain America, maybe even being too scared to fight him for a while because he saw his friend turning into a walking husk.
The real sin is that they didn't bring Ash Williams to help fight the apocalypse like in the comics.
the amount of plot armor in this episode is just shows how lazy the writers are with good materials
I still itch my head about of how Zombie Cap and Zombie Hawk eye somehow got to New york from San Francisco. I doubt they might know how to operate vehicles.
And I wonder of how the avengers are reformed (with Black Panther them, I remember that there's no refrence wanting to be part of the avengers) again for some reason after the events of Civil war
Walked or in the case of the falcon, flew.
@@Disanem walked? It would have taken them about 40 days to there!
@@booklover311 uh, one of them can fly, and they can carry all of them to there.
I mean they were attacked on the Golden Gate Bridge, so I guess that explains it a bit
I still itch my head on how iron man can get infected and how cap can get infected when his super soldier serum makes him immune to viruses and how did doctor strange and wing get infected wouldn’t they have a spell that can undo all of this and protect themselves and everyone from getting infected
Wow Such Gaming: So.. plus 3 sins
The sin counter: best i could do is *1*
I've watched this series too much, and I criticized this as soon as it came out. SOMEONE RID ME OF THIS CURSE
Honestly, the "why" of most of these sins could be explained in three words: Marvel and Disney
Great vid!
Excellent video! Just what I needed.
9:26 that’s the reaction Hank J Wimbledon would have for worse
I was wondering if you were going to give us a zombie sins on this show, awesome that you did!!!!
This episode would have benefited by pulling back on the jokes and quirky humor
Agree the plot holes are "bearable" but the quirky humour every ten seconds is atrocious.
Even if the first ep of what if, this annoyed me.
"I'm covered in Sharon"
Bruh your friend just got turned into a zombie and died and you have the guts to even joke about it?
@@thearchitect8908 I mean, she quite literally has guts all over her, but they can't show that.
For some reasons, I got shocked when Fubuki appeared saying "Ya be". Probably because I wasn't expecting her to appear here but what gives lol
Thanos also has the REALITY stone. Meaning he could, with a thought, turn every infected person back to normal.
The Marvel zombies comics are my favorite comics ever, I had extremely high expectations for this episode.
After seeing this episode I lost so much hope in the MCU.
Have you tried not having big expectations for things?
@@Disanem it's deserved. Marvel Zombies the original was fantastic and saying your going to make a what if MCU version. Deserves high expectations. That's like if Thanos was a major let down after those years of build up. It deserved to have high expectations
@@Tainted_Human "lol don't ask questions, consume product"
I literally crack when he said "Wingardium leviosa" 🤣
well it broke me and made me hate disney even more somehow.
Regardless of these sins, I still had a ton of fun watching this episode. I've really enjoyed what if...? The zombies and stuff are only there for the story being told, but I still enjoy it.
Great work 🥳 Thank you 💜
The crazy part? This is still more logical than the actual Marvel zombies Comic
Marvel zombies was a joke. It wasn't meant to be take seriously.
The original was awesome, and got proceedingly crap with the sequels
And a lot less fun to watch.
@@jcheck1107 I actually kinda like the sequels, not as good as the original but I still liked them for what they were.
At least this one actually gives an explanation as to how it went down instead of being a time loop.
I love how at 6:50 you say "minus one sin" and the counter goes from 16 to 17
In the Marvel Zombies comics I'm pretty sure they do depopulate the entire universe by spreading zombies everywhere and then start to invade other universes to find more people to eat. The episode shares some points with the comics, where they more or less retain intelligence despite being undead, so they can still largely use their powers and tools though some are just shit out of luck. Hank Pym invents some crazy shit despite being a zombie that enables their efforts. It's kind of nuts, the episode didn't have nearly enough time to establish the same kind of scenario.
Wow such gaming: 13:18
Me:🤣🤣🤣
In the comics, slowly feeding one zombie to keep them temporarily under control works because the zombies eat people out of addiction, and a lot of zombies even give up eating people when they go long enough without eating because they lose the sensation of hunger as they get their addiction treated
Ah, that YABE got me. Nice to see friend in one of your videos finally.
Something that I find funny about Iron man turning into a zombie is that in the kids show Avengers: Assemble, his armor was perfectly capable of withstanding a vampire bite. I know that the show and the MCU are different universes, but all of Iron man's armor from Mark II and up uses titanium.
12:37 he’s a tactical genius of course he’s going to do all that
Love the content! keep it up!
Haven't watched the episode yet, but how tf did iron man get jobbed so easily by generic zombie no. 35? His infinitely weaker older armors had the durability to withstand shield helicarrier blades, and just got scratched. The episode as a whole was very mediocore despite some cool moments.
They could've sais zombie cap was the one who broke iron man's suit with his shield.
@@weaboodoo2346 unlikely. He could barely defeat iron man with the help of bucky, and that was on a much less capable armor. I'm pretty sure this armor doesn't leave his arc reactor exposed anymore. The only way iron man could be taken out is zombie thanos, and that would never be able to happen if they stood by their rules. Characters like bleeding edge armor Iron Man, Black Panther, and Thanos were just too op, and they couldn't afford to pay RDJ, so they just jobbed him in the worst way possible.
@@insertnamehere658 but can't his shield destroy or rip some Armor off. I'd say that's possible.
@@weaboodoo2346 just in case you don't know, that armor has kinda regenerative capabilities. It's made of nanotechnology. The regeneration is limited, but cap would have to land a shit ton of throws to really expose Tony, and one decent blast can end zombie cap right there.
@@insertnamehere658 but doesn't this look like non nano-armor? If it is then yeah he shouldn't be a zombie. Cause that armor also doesn't have any seams at joint for ant man to enter.
Finally someone mention About Tony Easily getting defeated so easily like seriously Nano Tech Weapons helloooo
22:06 i dont really agree with this 'sin' as this is basically character development. the reason why he didnt turn into the hulk was because of the thanos fight in the start of infinity war, where I guess he was so ashamed of himself that he didnt want to get out throughout the movie. i assume having to go through a zombie invasion is enough to motivate the hulk to actually do something
I'm pretty sure Hulk was afraid of Tanos
thank you!! they just weren’t consistent with the zombies intelligence or anything at all with that matter, they go from using their powers with amazing precision then act like slow dumb zombies within the same 30 seconds. i hated this entire episode
Marvel zombies gave me that I successfully use a shock collar on Thor feeling
I’m glad u pointed out all the problems I had wit this same episode god bless u 🙏🏽
I haven’t started watching it yet but I know I already appreciate it
"Penetrates" "Eat you out"? That's a bit sus but I get the jokes and zombies doing that but c'mon,sus words
Plus 1 sin: no visual gore. You know... Humans being shown torn apart by zombies and eaten
alive
Did you expect gore in a Disney show?
@@Disanem yes since that is what disney does to other peoples franchises all the time tear then apart and eat what comes out.
@@vanconojl they eat them to the bone and dump them after.
Thanos must have got jumped right out of the portal. They got him immediately lmao
"Minus one sin"
The sin: *Goes up*
Me: *visible confusion*
21:06 tbf, he kinda forced the hulk here. We just saw that the hulk understands that the zombies pose a threat to banner (and thus himself) when he take the bite from Wanda. When he hulked out, that was moreso so he doesn't die because banner ran into the hoard
Zach complains about how Vision didn't kill Wanda because of love.
He doesn't know that Wanda couldn't stand Vision's death, so she created a hex with so she can have a family with her dead husband. So basically, this episode just did the oposite of what Wandavision did
he complained about vision not being logical not about him not killing wanda killing specifically.
im so weak at the donkey Kong part at the end🤣🤣🤣
Have you considered doing a zombie sins of the Marvel Zombies comic? I think that would be a nice spin of things and you'd certainly get a kick out of sinning those stories, they are pretty fun but also riddle with plot holes.
"I HATE CAPESHIT! I HATE CAPESHIT!", I scream as the UN police breaks down my door and arrest me for being a political dissident
xD