The alternative of this that I could think of would be The Vulture, because: 1. Instead of the usual tech, He has the alien techs that he salvaged. And probably some hideout to hide Them in. 2. He lives near Spiderman, who lives in Queens, which makes it make sense that He got involved in this. 3. He's a character with gray morality. Which can makes some of the audience root for Him to live.
DCeased has one of my favorite lines in Comicbooks: Lex Luthor: "Now that I'm the most intelligent person on the ubiverse-.... Batman is dead, right?" Superhero: *sigh* "yes he is" Lex: "Then yes, as the most intelligent being on the universe I suggest [continues the plot]"
Maybe instead of having thanos become a zombie at the end, maybe they could have used thanos as the cure. Like maybe the goal is to protect thanos as he gets the last infinity stone to snap and cure earth so it doesn't spread to the rest of the universe. That could have worked alright.
I think when they make this next zombies, they should have a team that is mostly antiheroes/villains, but with one or two full-on heroes. Like you said, Spider-Man and Captain America are the kind of guys to try and help, and that creates delicious conflict in a party that mostly disagrees with that sentiment. You need that moral backbone, otherwise you risk turning into a nihilistic slog.
There's a perfect candidate that mixes the survivor mentality Nando was talking about with full-on, hopeful heroism like you're describing, but you would need to do a lot of explaining in order to fit him on the team and in the zombie apocalypse: Thor. Like, he would have absolutely no issues with killing zombies or people who are already obviously too far gone, but might find leaving someone behind to be a tough call. Best of both.
I would think that doctor strange would be able to handle zombies a little better. I mean he kind of deals that sort of stuff all the time, right? And he's super powerful
I'm pretty sure Scott Lang was a zombie when his head was removed, and Vision had cured him, meaning that the zombie virus no longer kept him alive, so now he has a life support jar.
@@sebastiansuazo2734 marvel zombies tone is actually fairly consistent: Dark comedy. Stuff like spider-man realizing he ate aunt may and mary jane, and the others telling him to shut up since they've all ate friends and family. Or hank sawing off black panthers leg while calmly explaining that he'd probably still eat human meat even if he was cured. The comic has twisted moments but its comedic scenes lean into that instead of clashing with it.
Only part that mildly alarmed me was the Scarlet Witch scene, and Visions cold delivery. *“You’ve awoken her… she hasn’t eaten in days.”* Chances are if it had a consistent tone like that, it could’ve been the second best next to the Dr. Strange episode.
I feel like MCU Spider-Man is genre savvy enough to survive a zombie apocalypse , but would very clearly be upset by it (this is the guy who used his knowledge of star wars to take down Giant Man so he clearly loves sci-fi). I think the episode tries to show us this by revealing that he’s deliberately putting on a happy face despite doing things that are against his nature as you pointed out.
Plus, being super-agile and having the web gear he's got, AND a literal danger alarm, he's probably one of the best equipped from a physical standpoint. Focusing on his mental health and the overly-cheerful affect he takes to cope would have been the way to go.
Solution: make it a two-parter, take out 99% of the jokes, make the ending more interesting. Imagine: Bucky slowly watches all his teammates get turned as he searches for any signs of civilization. Over time, he collects parts of armor and weaponry from dead heroes and villains. He becomes a scavenger and we call him something like Arsenal (no relation). Just make that the end of episode one and the second should follow easily.
@@seanblack1320 plus it works with his character motivations. Spent all that time without one of the only people he ever cared about (Cap) then he eventually became part of a group of friends that support him . . . only to find himself isolated again. It would be a whole "can he survive being alone without breaking" thing
My initial theory was that Bucky was gonna be activated as Winter Soldier by an accident or by stragglers and find the world changed akin to Walking Dead or 28 Days Later. We’d maybe see him try to survive in this new landscape.
“It should be but it’s not” DIDNT come off as a joke to me, actually not even close. I immediately assumed that line was an indication of how Bucky recognized that the zombies are no longer their friends, their friends are gone and it’s because of the zombies… putting their friends bodies to rest by killing the zombie, even if in a disgusting fashion, should be a relief to them, not disturbing. I really don’t think that line was in any way related to the squabbles he had with Falcon. You misread that one Nando
Yeah, exactly my feelings. Bucky's just being pragmatic and a realist. And overall, before Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the guy's just not that much into emotional attachments.
I can buy Peter Parker making jokes during a zombie apocalypse. After all, Spiderman is known for cracking jokes so that he doesn't let the seriousness of the situation get to him. The problem is that EVERYONE in this episode is cracking jokes at some point. Very few times do they actually acknowledge the seriousness of the situation.
I understand what they were doing they were going for a zombieland Shaun of the dead esq type tone but this should have been a full on two parter were one episode was more fun but the next episode was full on serious
Rewatched the episode and how some of the deaths were played off frustrated me, especially when Hope's is played serious which just showed they could do a serious tone.
I would grant Peter being a survivor due to his Spider Sense. Therefore getting some comedy, but along with that a snap-back from some of the anti-heroes and villains. Peter working with Vulture would be a fun dynamic...yet Vulture would absolutely rebuke Peter after an otherwise-tasteless quip.
If they want to go with a Marvel property that also focused on the comedy in death, Deadpool Merc with a Mouth did a Marvel Zombies arc that was both unendingly hysterical but also stayed true to the zombie genre.
Peter in the comic is really the only one who jokes around but he explained to Luke Cage that it’s because he can’t handle what he’s done since he turned
I just watched the gravity falls zombie episode and thought about how much better the tone was. While it is a more lighthearted story, there's still a consistent tone and tension.
Clearly the Disney+ brand didn’t allowed for the darker themes to flourish. I will say this. I really want a Hulu exclusive New Line series of animated movies of different marvel comics with nothing censored. I want Marvel Zombies as how they were originally introduced, with the hunger virus, with all the gore, violence, and sense of hopelessness. It could be a great October movie special.
The same episode had Vision slaughtering heroes and feeding parts of them to his zombie girlfriend. It is Canon in the episode that Wandazombie ate T'Challa's foot. They didn't shy away from darker stuff, they just covered it in quips and avoided dealing with the implications. It wasn't "kid friendly" it was just badly written. I
Look, all I'm saying is, if that fateful spider found Peter so appetizing, there's no way a zombie doesn't bite him, like, three days into the apocalypse.
This whole series feels like that moment from Galaxy Quest: Gwen: “Why are there giant choppy-crushy things in the middle of a hallway?! It makes no logical sense!” Jason: “Because it was on the television show!” Gwen: “Well forget it! I’m not doing it! This episode was BADLY WRITTEN!”
This would have worked so much better if the sole survivor from Janet's return from the quantum realm was Ghost. She can phase through things, so it would make perfect sense why she survived the zombies, they literally can't bite her.
Ant-Man was a zombie when his head was removed, that's the part that Vision cleared the infection from. That we know of anyway, he might have been taking spoiled meat from the local zombies, and marinating it in the Mind Stone's energy to make it more palatable for Wanda.
I 100% agree. The humor really tanked the episode. The few moments where it felt like the characters did pause and mourn, like the excellent scene of Peter explaining to Hope why he keeps smiling, are great. But there's not many. I mean, Bucky KILLS Cap, HIS BEST FRIEND, while they were on their way to the cure, and just says a one-liner. Hope Zombies II is better and more in line with DCeased which truly is AWESOME! Side Note: On the note of characterization, and choosing characters that would work in a zombie apocalypse with the tone Marvel is going for, I agree the Guardians are perfect
I think you misunderstood bucky. When he kills cap, he doesn't say a joke, he repeats a line he and cap would say, also Bucky is not sad because he doesn't see cap or any zombie as they the people they were.
The team of characters in this new What if should be: -Ghost(Ava Star); -Bruce Banner; -Okoye; -Tony Stark; -Wong and the Cloak of Levitetion; -Ulysses Klaw; -Killmonger.
I am 100% for this entirely because Ghost is underrated, and also because, having been there at the finale of AMATW, she should have been involved with this episode somehow
The one thing IW never did was put Banner in actual danger. Let the zombies knock down Banner, they bite, but it's green skin. Hulk grew smarter in his two years on Sakaar, so he could be a great member of the team. Maybe they go to Wakanda and Shuri helps him unlock Smart Hulk. Or Wanda/Vision do, because the team needs both personalities.
I would replace Okoye with Shuri. I'd say we shouldn't use any team from the current What If zombie episode. And maybe add Hawkeye, cause I'm a Hawkeye fanboy
Honestly, I think Spider-Man could work great in a zombies scenario because he would struggle with trying to save people, but he needs to be the core point of view character, not sharing the spotlight with the Hulk. A zombie scenario challenges Peter's belief system really well because he can't save everyone. But I agree that the rest of the team would work better as villains and darker anti-heroes, just to amp up that contrast them and Peter. Make it more about Peter struggling with the loss of his friends and how to stay true to his morals while being forced to work with people like Yellowjacket and Killmonger. Just my take. Great video as always Nando.
What if Tony was working remotely so wasn't even IN his armor when that event happened? He could have been aboard a Helicarrier dealing with something else when Jarvis or Friday told him about the event on the bridge? So he rescues the others and they stay away from the mainland until running out of power so floating on the sea to avoid discovery. Interesting idea in this video.
Sort of. It explains that an infected Sentry (Robert Reynolds, not an Ultron sentry) came through a portal and crash landed in New York in some dimension that from what I can tell didn't have a Sentry. Some of the Avengers went to check it out since they never seen him before, got infected, and spread the virus. After all was said and done and the zombies managed to infect another dimension before the zombies were destroyed, the Watcher of Earth Z (the other dimension that was infected after) sent the Sentry back to the original dimension in the past in order to cause a loop and contain the virus between the two dimensions. However, that still doesn't explain how the infected Sentry arrived in the first place or how he got infected to begin with. My headcanon is that the Sentry was from another universe in which Sentry was killed in battle, some scientists tried to resurrect him, it went wrong, and the best they could was to send him through a portal and let another dimension handle it. I mean, this is how an infected version of the Squadron Supreme are created on an alternate Earth, so it clearly could happen like that.
Peter is too much of a nerd to fall in a zombie apocalypse, yes trying to save people is in his character but he would be the first to analyze the situation for what it is and GTF somewhere safe lol
nailed the problem with What If’s zombie episode. i seriously hope someone at Marvel sees how talented Nando is and lets him loose on just one project to see how awesome it could be.
I like the idea of villains/anti heroes as the team in What If? Zombies but one of the characters you brought up multiple times was Crossbones, who wouldn't be able to be on the team since he was kinda blown up at the start of Civil War
Stark shouldn't even have been a zombie. He literally couldn't get bit. Even with Ant-Man the nanotech suit has no slits for him to go through, a lesson Tony learned after fighting Scott in Civil War. Plus why wouldn't Iron Man just FLY up. So dumb
I feel like this would really work for a Thunderbolts movie. Like, a small-scale, Shaun of the Dead-esque flick about the Thunderbolts come together to stop an outbreak in a city or something.
if they went the traditional Marvel Zombies route, they could take some cues from Warm Bodies which is from a zombie's perspective with thought bubble-type narration
Put Zemo, Ghost or Abomination or a line up of remining MCU villains and you'd have a version of DCeased. Thunderbolts vs Marvel Zombies, Zemo can get all technical/planning, Blonsky can rage out and Ghost can phase through heads or something.
It was one of my fav episode! I am not even into zombie films. The character pairings, the heart, the call backs to different mcu stories especially being what if of civil war and infinity war 2 of my favs films.
It’s kind of hard for me to take Marvel zombies seriously at all. I feel like they just have to gloss over not only where the virus comes from, but how it infects people with alien dna, healing factors, magic powers, and impenetrable skin/armor. Maybe it’s just the part of me that doesn’t like bleak stories but I feel like a zombie virus wouldn’t get far in the Marvel universe unless they just kind of ignore all the rules to begin with.
The reason that the virus comes to earth in the comic is due to a Sentry from another Universe where he became a zombie and ate the entire universe and went to another universe (the main zombies universe) for more food and as such brought the virus with him.
Uhhhh, this sounds like a great Video. And I am totally surprised that it just now drops, at Halloween. Talking about the tone is such an important issue that the people often not understand.
100% agree. When they still had their powers I knew I wasn’t going to like it. Then The Janet scene when she kills Sharon was just yuck. Not sure what anyone was thinking there.
Wow… didn’t realize how much I’d love a version of this with anti-heroes/villains until you started naming names towards the end. Zemo, Wen-wu and Vulture? In a Zombie Apocalypse?? SIGN ME UP.
I’m sure you’ve seen comments like this or will, but what started the zombie infection in the book was an alternate universe Zombie Sentry sent by the Watcher when Hank Pym from the main zombie universe infects him. It’s a time loop and super confusing.
The premise should’ve been a bunch of villains/anti-heroes attempting to make it to a rumoured ‘Last bastion of humanity’ and on the way, come across a bunch of children or a similar situation and protect them. Those that make it to this place seem like they’ll be rejected for who they are but the rescued kids protest and they’re accepted in because this is a new world of second chances for everyone.
Same thing happened with Wasp. She was kept away from all humans for a few months which caused the hunger to go away. She, and an uninfected Black Panther helped the remaining survivors in "New Wakanda." Then, while Black Panther was sleeping, he was stabbed by an assassin, and Wasp stunned the assassin. Panther was bleeding out, and she said "I'll bite you, please! You'll survive!" And Panther doesn't really get a choice. She bites him, and the two regain their hunger, Wasp for the first time in decades and Panther for the first time. They eat the assassin, and Panther starts yelling to lock down the place, which the survivors do, and they leave Panther and Wasp in the room, until their hunger goes away.
If they continue the What if squad I think you're right.. they should basically fill the survivor squad with likeable villains and others.. so that the heroes are outvoted in most situations which could drive tension.
I definitely agree. It would've been better if the group of survivors consisted of anti-heroes/villains with maybe one or two actual heroes to create some kind of moral conflict. I remember there was a leak on reddit that described every episode of what if and some of those descriptions were accurate, some were not but I have a theory that that whole leak was legit and it described how what if was supposed to look like before it was changed due to pandemy. Because in that leak there was an episode of Tony on Sakkar with Gamora in Thanos' armor. And it was the 8th episode. The Ultron episode was described exactly as it was in the actual show and it was the last, 9th episode. And in that leak the zombies ep was taking place during civil war, the bio-weapon that Crossbones stole was the zombie virus and in this scenario Avengers didn't prevent him from using it. The surviving group didn't include Kurt, Happy, Sharon, Bruce and Okoye. Characters that stayed were Bucky, Peter, Hope, Scott as a head in the jar with addition of Shuri and Zemo. It’s hard for me to say if that group would’ve worked better but I really like for Zemo to be there, i think he could’ve fit well in that story and i would like to see him killing zombies with his sword. So I think it's possible that this is how zombies episode looked like in the beginning but then they changed it.
DCeased is about survivors. The What If Zombies are about the randomness of disease. Disease doesn't care if you are a survivor type, you get infected or not. So the selection of survivors is random. Makes sense to me. Granted, zombiefication is not a disease that lends itself well to that type of result, some sort of pulmonary infection would work better. But then you won't get zombies. The episode still has an atrocious tone issue, though.
I think Spiderman would be exceptional at surviving simply for the fact he has vertical and aerial mobility, completely agree he'd avoid conflict or hard decisions, but I think that's also why he'd survive, avoiding fights or moving out of reach no matter what, I think he'd be more of a lone survivor rather than with the group though, since he wouldn't want to be around the constant fighting and killing, still think he'd try to help and find a cure but from a safe distance
My guess is that Kurt was the member of XCon that helped them get the lab at the end of the Ant-Man and the Wasp, Luis was probably too busy dealing with the black marketers, we saw Wasp escape. Happy probably got a heads up from FRIDAY when Tony was taken down, and picked up Peter, but they lost May at some point. I can't explain anyone else, since Bucky and Sharon should be out of the country after Civil War...maybe Okoye came out with the White Wolf to search for T'Challa, but Sharon is still unaccounted for?
This was the episode I was most excited for, so it was the biggest let down. The Ultron was my least anticipated, and it tied with Dr Strange for my 2 favorites.
This is an alternate universe though. If the tchalla star lord episode said anything, it was that 1 change can make other changes too. Maybe Darren was alive in this film
“Are there any direct antiheroes in the MCU” well we know that Deadpool 3 will officially be in the MCU, and thanks to No Way Home and Hawkeye we now also know that Punisher is around 😁
I once read a marvel zombies crossover with sam raimi's army of darkness and it was quite fun. It paired Ash with punisher and dazzler and they went to Doom's Castle. They were stuck there with doom with survivors holding a siege against the zombies if I recall correctly
I think it would be cool if Spider-Man got bit by a zombie but it didn't work, and the reveal was Spider-Man saying, "Huh, guess this kind of already happened to me." Everyone around him is puzzled. "Yeah, I got my abilities by a radioactive spider biting me and it rewrote my DNA. I guess zombie bites aren't powerful enough to overwrite my DNA again."
That could even become an aha moment to solve the zombie crisis. We need to find something that has a more powerful radioactive imprint that zombies can't overpower. And if that means everyone becomes a Spider-Person then so be it.
I like your Unkillables idea. I like the thought of having villains and antihero’s. I know as characters their existence in the MCU might be in question. I don’t know what’s canon and what isn’t anyone. But I would like to see Frank Castle in there. Maybe the version of Ghost Rider from AoS. Or even throw in a legit hero but make it Luke Cage. He might want to save others but by virtue of his power couldn’t be bitten.
The failings of this episode started literally in the first minute. As soon as I saw that 1.) Zombie Stark was a Walking Dead and 2.) how Banner started to act like a clown (the childlike fear and slapstick like attitude) during that moment I knew the episode was a flop. It feels like the concept had to be dumbed down to a generic zombie story because despite how 'dArK' it is Disney doesn't want to loose that child-friendly sub-brand they're associated with and Marvel Zombies, one of Marvel's best series, is an easy sell even if it is a single episode (which it should have been).
I'm all for characters in a tense situation still joking around. I think that's not only true to life, but especially desirable in something that's supposed to be fun and entertaining. However, I agree that something was off about how "What If...Zombies?" did it. There are times to joke and there times to be serious and with this episode, it just felt kind of random which way each zombie death would be played. Like "Why are supposed to be sad at this death when the one that happened two seconds ago was played for laughs?"
They should've delayed the zombie episode instead of the Thanora episode. Thanora was a big player in the season finale while the zombies only barely show up for a brief moment.
I always really enjoyed the idea the the hulk is unkillable, but I think it would be interesting to see a story where Bruce banner is can get infected but the hulk. Can’t, Bruce would keep getting infected or mangled and then turn into hulk to heal, the could cause damage to Bruce’s memories or sanity or something like that
Yeah war machine was used so little in this series like in ep 3 he already stole the suit before tonys death they could show him with the leftover avengers (captain america and captain marvel)
Maybe if they do a part 2, when they try to make the cure that involves the mind stone, instead of it cursing the zombies, it just makes the intelligent, but still have the urge to feed. That would be pretty cool. I personally would prefer a stand alone animated series then a live action movie.
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Justin Hammer would be a great villain for the bad guy zombie squad. No one is happy with his tech, but it’s all they got without Tony.
Yes
He assumes the name Sledge, but everyone calls him Sludge whenever his tech fails.
The alternative of this that I could think of would be The Vulture, because:
1. Instead of the usual tech, He has the alien techs that he salvaged. And probably some hideout to hide Them in.
2. He lives near Spiderman, who lives in Queens, which makes it make sense that He got involved in this.
3. He's a character with gray morality. Which can makes some of the audience root for Him to live.
Now that sounds like a really funny and natural dynamic for a villain centric zombie survival story.
Kinda funny considering that in Iron Man: Armored Adventures, Hammer actually made zombie gas and was then exposed to it himself.
DCeased has one of my favorite lines in Comicbooks:
Lex Luthor: "Now that I'm the most intelligent person on the ubiverse-.... Batman is dead, right?"
Superhero: *sigh* "yes he is"
Lex: "Then yes, as the most intelligent being on the universe I suggest [continues the plot]"
bruv literally missed out the best part when Lex says the most intelligent person is himself
Would lex admit bruce is smarter than him?
@@lilmilontiktok
Only after he dies because now Lex has the excuse of saying he will become smarter 😅
@@lilmilontiktok I think he put his pride aside for that one considering everyone was at stake.
Maybe instead of having thanos become a zombie at the end, maybe they could have used thanos as the cure. Like maybe the goal is to protect thanos as he gets the last infinity stone to snap and cure earth so it doesn't spread to the rest of the universe. That could have worked alright.
That sounds cool
What’s zombie thanos’s goal in the episode?
I think when they make this next zombies, they should have a team that is mostly antiheroes/villains, but with one or two full-on heroes. Like you said, Spider-Man and Captain America are the kind of guys to try and help, and that creates delicious conflict in a party that mostly disagrees with that sentiment. You need that moral backbone, otherwise you risk turning into a nihilistic slog.
There's a perfect candidate that mixes the survivor mentality Nando was talking about with full-on, hopeful heroism like you're describing, but you would need to do a lot of explaining in order to fit him on the team and in the zombie apocalypse:
Thor.
Like, he would have absolutely no issues with killing zombies or people who are already obviously too far gone, but might find leaving someone behind to be a tough call. Best of both.
I would think that doctor strange would be able to handle zombies a little better. I mean he kind of deals that sort of stuff all the time, right? And he's super powerful
I think watching Spider Man come to terms with his situation is an interesting arc. As you said he’s a moral backbone.
I'm pretty sure Scott Lang was a zombie when his head was removed, and Vision had cured him, meaning that the zombie virus no longer kept him alive, so now he has a life support jar.
Yeah
With a different tone, it could have been the best episode
if it followed the marvel zombies storyline better it would be spectacular.
It still is
@@marijamarcelic3149 meh
Ehh … I’m trying to judge the story in a vacuum from the execution; but I didn’t care for the story either
RIGHT?
I suggest to read the comic version the tone is so dark its the best fitting tone
Scott Lang watched his friend being drag away to be eaten and said: "Watch out! She's a man eater".
The tone of this episode was all over the place
That was the moment I realized “Yeahhh this episode could’ve been better”
tbf, marvel zombies in general is all over the place in tone
Hopefully the marvel zombies show does better
@@sebastiansuazo2734 marvel zombies tone is actually fairly consistent: Dark comedy. Stuff like spider-man realizing he ate aunt may and mary jane, and the others telling him to shut up since they've all ate friends and family. Or hank sawing off black panthers leg while calmly explaining that he'd probably still eat human meat even if he was cured.
The comic has twisted moments but its comedic scenes lean into that instead of clashing with it.
Only part that mildly alarmed me was the Scarlet Witch scene, and Visions cold delivery.
*“You’ve awoken her… she hasn’t eaten in days.”*
Chances are if it had a consistent tone like that, it could’ve been the second best next to the Dr. Strange episode.
Oh yeah. Tone wise it should've been closer to infinity war, if not bleaker considering...
I was so ready to cry at Bucky's "I guess this is the end of the line" and then they exploded Sharon and I was totally taken out.
Poor Kurt.
Imagine if you're about to get eaten and the last thing you hear is a dad joke 😐
From one of his closest friends
Honestly, I didn’t even realize he died.
I feel like MCU Spider-Man is genre savvy enough to survive a zombie apocalypse , but would very clearly be upset by it (this is the guy who used his knowledge of star wars to take down Giant Man so he clearly loves sci-fi). I think the episode tries to show us this by revealing that he’s deliberately putting on a happy face despite doing things that are against his nature as you pointed out.
Plus, being super-agile and having the web gear he's got, AND a literal danger alarm, he's probably one of the best equipped from a physical standpoint. Focusing on his mental health and the overly-cheerful affect he takes to cope would have been the way to go.
Solution: make it a two-parter, take out 99% of the jokes, make the ending more interesting.
Imagine: Bucky slowly watches all his teammates get turned as he searches for any signs of civilization. Over time, he collects parts of armor and weaponry from dead heroes and villains. He becomes a scavenger and we call him something like Arsenal (no relation). Just make that the end of episode one and the second should follow easily.
As a big bucky/winter soldier fan, I would love this
Out of the group of survivors we had by that point, bucky would definitely be the best when it comes to zombie survival. I can buy this 1000%.
@@seanblack1320 plus it works with his character motivations. Spent all that time without one of the only people he ever cared about (Cap) then he eventually became part of a group of friends that support him . . . only to find himself isolated again. It would be a whole "can he survive being alone without breaking" thing
My initial theory was that Bucky was gonna be activated as Winter Soldier by an accident or by stragglers and find the world changed akin to Walking Dead or 28 Days Later. We’d maybe see him try to survive in this new landscape.
@@jonathandelgado3755 you've opened my eyes. A winter soldier and 28 days later kind of setup with Marvel's zombies could be next level
“It should be but it’s not” DIDNT come off as a joke to me, actually not even close. I immediately assumed that line was an indication of how Bucky recognized that the zombies are no longer their friends, their friends are gone and it’s because of the zombies… putting their friends bodies to rest by killing the zombie, even if in a disgusting fashion, should be a relief to them, not disturbing. I really don’t think that line was in any way related to the squabbles he had with Falcon. You misread that one Nando
Yeah, exactly my feelings. Bucky's just being pragmatic and a realist. And overall, before Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the guy's just not that much into emotional attachments.
I can buy Peter Parker making jokes during a zombie apocalypse. After all, Spiderman is known for cracking jokes so that he doesn't let the seriousness of the situation get to him. The problem is that EVERYONE in this episode is cracking jokes at some point. Very few times do they actually acknowledge the seriousness of the situation.
I really got annoyed with the jokes with Scott’s jokes about him being just a head, a more serious tone would’ve helped this episode out imo
*insert Dad Joke here*
I just couldn’t get past the fact that they did the Futurama thing
Fr I was like dude your Girlfriend just died shut up with the jokes
I understand what they were doing they were going for a zombieland Shaun of the dead esq type tone but this should have been a full on two parter were one episode was more fun but the next episode was full on serious
@@tobiaslawrence8928 That could’ve worked
Rewatched the episode and how some of the deaths were played off frustrated me, especially when Hope's is played serious which just showed they could do a serious tone.
I would grant Peter being a survivor due to his Spider Sense. Therefore getting some comedy, but along with that a snap-back from some of the anti-heroes and villains. Peter working with Vulture would be a fun dynamic...yet Vulture would absolutely rebuke Peter after an otherwise-tasteless quip.
If they want to go with a Marvel property that also focused on the comedy in death, Deadpool Merc with a Mouth did a Marvel Zombies arc that was both unendingly hysterical but also stayed true to the zombie genre.
Peter in the comic is really the only one who jokes around but he explained to Luke Cage that it’s because he can’t handle what he’s done since he turned
I just watched the gravity falls zombie episode and thought about how much better the tone was. While it is a more lighthearted story, there's still a consistent tone and tension.
One of my biggest gripes was how Tony or Stephen of all people ended up infected.
Klaue + Killmonger
Crossbones + Bucky
Wenwu + Nick Fury
Ghost + Janet
Paired up the foils, and that's honestly such a solid team
Vulture + Spider-Man
Clearly the Disney+ brand didn’t allowed for the darker themes to flourish. I will say this. I really want a Hulu exclusive New Line series of animated movies of different marvel comics with nothing censored.
I want Marvel Zombies as how they were originally introduced, with the hunger virus, with all the gore, violence, and sense of hopelessness. It could be a great October movie special.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope
The same episode had Vision slaughtering heroes and feeding parts of them to his zombie girlfriend. It is Canon in the episode that Wandazombie ate T'Challa's foot.
They didn't shy away from darker stuff, they just covered it in quips and avoided dealing with the implications. It wasn't "kid friendly" it was just badly written. I
Look, all I'm saying is, if that fateful spider found Peter so appetizing, there's no way a zombie doesn't bite him, like, three days into the apocalypse.
What if Peter gets new powers every time he's bitten by a new zombie lol
@@notthephonz lol turns out his real power is he absorbs the powers of those who bite him 🤣
@@azzystillborne9125 Get Hulk and Doctor Strange to bite him. It will be legendary!
This whole series feels like that moment from Galaxy Quest:
Gwen: “Why are there giant choppy-crushy things in the middle of a hallway?! It makes no logical sense!”
Jason: “Because it was on the television show!”
Gwen: “Well forget it! I’m not doing it! This episode was BADLY WRITTEN!”
This would have worked so much better if the sole survivor from Janet's return from the quantum realm was Ghost. She can phase through things, so it would make perfect sense why she survived the zombies, they literally can't bite her.
Ant-Man was a zombie when his head was removed, that's the part that Vision cleared the infection from. That we know of anyway, he might have been taking spoiled meat from the local zombies, and marinating it in the Mind Stone's energy to make it more palatable for Wanda.
I 100% agree. The humor really tanked the episode. The few moments where it felt like the characters did pause and mourn, like the excellent scene of Peter explaining to Hope why he keeps smiling, are great. But there's not many. I mean, Bucky KILLS Cap, HIS BEST FRIEND, while they were on their way to the cure, and just says a one-liner. Hope Zombies II is better and more in line with DCeased which truly is AWESOME!
Side Note: On the note of characterization, and choosing characters that would work in a zombie apocalypse with the tone Marvel is going for, I agree the Guardians are perfect
I doubt they'll change anything with zombies 2.
I think you misunderstood bucky. When he kills cap, he doesn't say a joke, he repeats a line he and cap would say, also Bucky is not sad because he doesn't see cap or any zombie as they the people they were.
The team of characters in this new What if should be:
-Ghost(Ava Star);
-Bruce Banner;
-Okoye;
-Tony Stark;
-Wong and the Cloak of Levitetion;
-Ulysses Klaw;
-Killmonger.
I am 100% for this entirely because Ghost is underrated, and also because, having been there at the finale of AMATW, she should have been involved with this episode somehow
The one thing IW never did was put Banner in actual danger. Let the zombies knock down Banner, they bite, but it's green skin.
Hulk grew smarter in his two years on Sakaar, so he could be a great member of the team.
Maybe they go to Wakanda and Shuri helps him unlock Smart Hulk. Or Wanda/Vision do, because the team needs both personalities.
I would replace Okoye with Shuri. I'd say we shouldn't use any team from the current What If zombie episode. And maybe add Hawkeye, cause I'm a Hawkeye fanboy
@@easyJat99 then I want to add spider man
@@easyJat99 But we keep Tony Alive,right?
Honestly, I think Spider-Man could work great in a zombies scenario because he would struggle with trying to save people, but he needs to be the core point of view character, not sharing the spotlight with the Hulk. A zombie scenario challenges Peter's belief system really well because he can't save everyone. But I agree that the rest of the team would work better as villains and darker anti-heroes, just to amp up that contrast them and Peter. Make it more about Peter struggling with the loss of his friends and how to stay true to his morals while being forced to work with people like Yellowjacket and Killmonger. Just my take. Great video as always Nando.
What if Tony was working remotely so wasn't even IN his armor when that event happened?
He could have been aboard a Helicarrier dealing with something else when Jarvis or Friday told him about the event on the bridge?
So he rescues the others and they stay away from the mainland until running out of power so floating on the sea to avoid discovery.
Interesting idea in this video.
If I recall correctly, Army of Darkness vs Marvel Zombies actually explains the origin for the virus.
Sort of. It explains that an infected Sentry (Robert Reynolds, not an Ultron sentry) came through a portal and crash landed in New York in some dimension that from what I can tell didn't have a Sentry. Some of the Avengers went to check it out since they never seen him before, got infected, and spread the virus. After all was said and done and the zombies managed to infect another dimension before the zombies were destroyed, the Watcher of Earth Z (the other dimension that was infected after) sent the Sentry back to the original dimension in the past in order to cause a loop and contain the virus between the two dimensions. However, that still doesn't explain how the infected Sentry arrived in the first place or how he got infected to begin with. My headcanon is that the Sentry was from another universe in which Sentry was killed in battle, some scientists tried to resurrect him, it went wrong, and the best they could was to send him through a portal and let another dimension handle it. I mean, this is how an infected version of the Squadron Supreme are created on an alternate Earth, so it clearly could happen like that.
Why not do something unique with the "Zombie Concept", like how Valve did "teleporting bread's tumors."
Peter is too much of a nerd to fall in a zombie apocalypse, yes trying to save people is in his character but he would be the first to analyze the situation for what it is and GTF somewhere safe lol
nailed the problem with What If’s zombie episode. i seriously hope someone at Marvel sees how talented Nando is and lets him loose on just one project to see how awesome it could be.
I think the reason why David Dasmalchian’s character is here is purely for the “Baba Yaga” setup at the end
I like the idea of villains/anti heroes as the team in What If? Zombies but one of the characters you brought up multiple times was Crossbones, who wouldn't be able to be on the team since he was kinda blown up at the start of Civil War
That's the thing with what if timelines you can bring back dead characters. Maybe he didn't blow up in civil war in that universe
The best criticism I've heard about this episode is that Friday would have brought Zombie Stark home or at least depowered the suit.
Stark shouldn't even have been a zombie. He literally couldn't get bit. Even with Ant-Man the nanotech suit has no slits for him to go through, a lesson Tony learned after fighting Scott in Civil War. Plus why wouldn't Iron Man just FLY up. So dumb
I feel like this would really work for a Thunderbolts movie. Like, a small-scale, Shaun of the Dead-esque flick about the Thunderbolts come together to stop an outbreak in a city or something.
if they went the traditional Marvel Zombies route, they could take some cues from Warm Bodies which is from a zombie's perspective with thought bubble-type narration
NANDO coming in with the prophecy now Marvel Zombies series is revealed
Watching a villain team-up would be so cool! We could have a bunch of super dark humor, cool action, and character perspectives!
The piece of media that I feel has the most in common with the comic run of marvel zombies is I am Legend (the book that is)
Put Zemo, Ghost or Abomination or a line up of remining MCU villains and you'd have a version of DCeased. Thunderbolts vs Marvel Zombies, Zemo can get all technical/planning, Blonsky can rage out and Ghost can phase through heads or something.
It was one of my fav episode! I am not even into zombie films. The character pairings, the heart, the call backs to different mcu stories especially being what if of civil war and infinity war 2 of my favs films.
There’s no infinity war 2 it’s called End game
@@1kbmahan they said that infinity war and civil war are two of their favorites. Read.
@@hankswift6735 no
@@1kbmahan they meant it as infinity war and civil war were two of their favorite movies
You’re genuinely the most underrated creator on this website
luke cage having zombiees just nawing his arm because his unbreakable skin
It’s kind of hard for me to take Marvel zombies seriously at all. I feel like they just have to gloss over not only where the virus comes from, but how it infects people with alien dna, healing factors, magic powers, and impenetrable skin/armor. Maybe it’s just the part of me that doesn’t like bleak stories but I feel like a zombie virus wouldn’t get far in the Marvel universe unless they just kind of ignore all the rules to begin with.
The reason that the virus comes to earth in the comic is due to a Sentry from another Universe where he became a zombie and ate the entire universe and went to another universe (the main zombies universe) for more food and as such brought the virus with him.
Uhhhh, this sounds like a great Video.
And I am totally surprised that it just now drops, at Halloween.
Talking about the tone is such an important issue that the people often not understand.
100% agree. When they still had their powers I knew I wasn’t going to like it. Then The Janet scene when she kills Sharon was just yuck. Not sure what anyone was thinking there.
Within the past 2 months, 6 of Nando’s 12 uploads have been What If? Videos, 3 of which were in row.
I thought Bucky saying he didn’t care about Dan was not a joke but showing he had become numb to these kind of things
Wow… didn’t realize how much I’d love a version of this with anti-heroes/villains until you started naming names towards the end. Zemo, Wen-wu and Vulture? In a Zombie Apocalypse?? SIGN ME UP.
I felt more emotion in the trailer for Pibby then in this episode which is crazy to me.
I’m sure you’ve seen comments like this or will, but what started the zombie infection in the book was an alternate universe Zombie Sentry sent by the Watcher when Hank Pym from the main zombie universe infects him. It’s a time loop and super confusing.
i think peter being there and his hope slowly be crushed throughout the story would be real cool
Your points are valid, but I still really enjoyed the episode.
The premise should’ve been a bunch of villains/anti-heroes attempting to make it to a rumoured ‘Last bastion of humanity’ and on the way, come across a bunch of children or a similar situation and protect them. Those that make it to this place seem like they’ll be rejected for who they are but the rescued kids protest and they’re accepted in because this is a new world of second chances for everyone.
That's the plot of DCeased Unkillables. Just ripping off another company's story that has nothing to do with what they're adapting would be way worse.
I was really looking forward to this, but the tone just let me down.
Same
Most interesting thing about the comic is that Black Panther gets infected in his older age and completely resists the hunger.
Same thing happened with Wasp. She was kept away from all humans for a few months which caused the hunger to go away. She, and an uninfected Black Panther helped the remaining survivors in "New Wakanda." Then, while Black Panther was sleeping, he was stabbed by an assassin, and Wasp stunned the assassin. Panther was bleeding out, and she said "I'll bite you, please! You'll survive!" And Panther doesn't really get a choice. She bites him, and the two regain their hunger, Wasp for the first time in decades and Panther for the first time. They eat the assassin, and Panther starts yelling to lock down the place, which the survivors do, and they leave Panther and Wasp in the room, until their hunger goes away.
If they continue the What if squad I think you're right.. they should basically fill the survivor squad with likeable villains and others.. so that the heroes are outvoted in most situations which could drive tension.
I definitely agree. It would've been better if the group of survivors consisted of anti-heroes/villains with maybe one or two actual heroes to create some kind of moral conflict. I remember there was a leak on reddit that described every episode of what if and some of those descriptions were accurate, some were not but I have a theory that that whole leak was legit and it described how what if was supposed to look like before it was changed due to pandemy. Because in that leak there was an episode of Tony on Sakkar with Gamora in Thanos' armor. And it was the 8th episode. The Ultron episode was described exactly as it was in the actual show and it was the last, 9th episode. And in that leak the zombies ep was taking place during civil war, the bio-weapon that Crossbones stole was the zombie virus and in this scenario Avengers didn't prevent him from using it. The surviving group didn't include Kurt, Happy, Sharon, Bruce and Okoye. Characters that stayed were Bucky, Peter, Hope, Scott as a head in the jar with addition of Shuri and Zemo. It’s hard for me to say if that group would’ve worked better but I really like for Zemo to be there, i think he could’ve fit well in that story and i would like to see him killing zombies with his sword. So I think it's possible that this is how zombies episode looked like in the beginning but then they changed it.
What makes me most irritated is episode 8 had the exact tone that would've fit the zombies episode perfect
I would totally watch the episode titled what if nando wrote what if zombies
DCeased is about survivors.
The What If Zombies are about the randomness of disease. Disease doesn't care if you are a survivor type, you get infected or not. So the selection of survivors is random. Makes sense to me. Granted, zombiefication is not a disease that lends itself well to that type of result, some sort of pulmonary infection would work better. But then you won't get zombies.
The episode still has an atrocious tone issue, though.
It honestly just makes me appreciate the comics a lot more
I think Spiderman would be exceptional at surviving simply for the fact he has vertical and aerial mobility, completely agree he'd avoid conflict or hard decisions, but I think that's also why he'd survive, avoiding fights or moving out of reach no matter what, I think he'd be more of a lone survivor rather than with the group though, since he wouldn't want to be around the constant fighting and killing, still think he'd try to help and find a cure but from a safe distance
My guess is that Kurt was the member of XCon that helped them get the lab at the end of the Ant-Man and the Wasp, Luis was probably too busy dealing with the black marketers, we saw Wasp escape. Happy probably got a heads up from FRIDAY when Tony was taken down, and picked up Peter, but they lost May at some point. I can't explain anyone else, since Bucky and Sharon should be out of the country after Civil War...maybe Okoye came out with the White Wolf to search for T'Challa, but Sharon is still unaccounted for?
ooh. i like the idea of baron zemo being a survivor
could be an excuse to have him masked the whole time too. and maybe even with a sword :o
This was the episode I was most excited for, so it was the biggest let down. The Ultron was my least anticipated, and it tied with Dr Strange for my 2 favorites.
Well, Darren Cross is dead by civil war so he couldn’t be piloting the Yellowjacket suit, but y’know who could….
Justin Hammer
This is an alternate universe though. If the tchalla star lord episode said anything, it was that 1 change can make other changes too. Maybe Darren was alive in this film
@@imveritasproductions I thought the zombies universe was identical to the main universe, just that Janet Van Dyne got infected
@@rubiconprime1429 I mean it could be but the episode never says that. So they're could've been more changes
You perfectly put into words how I felt about this episode, I still like it since Marvel Zombies is my favorite universe
Deadpool would be absolutely perfect for marvel zombies: can’t die, kills everyone
No he wouldn't
Headpool might have something to say about that...
👏👏 Nicely done! I felt very similarly about the zombie episode. I love your idea for a fix for this one.
“Are there any direct antiheroes in the MCU” well we know that Deadpool 3 will officially be in the MCU, and thanks to No Way Home and Hawkeye we now also know that Punisher is around 😁
He defenders are cannon now just a suggestion
I once read a marvel zombies crossover with sam raimi's army of darkness and it was quite fun. It paired Ash with punisher and dazzler and they went to Doom's Castle. They were stuck there with doom with survivors holding a siege against the zombies if I recall correctly
I think it would be cool if Spider-Man got bit by a zombie but it didn't work, and the reveal was Spider-Man saying, "Huh, guess this kind of already happened to me." Everyone around him is puzzled. "Yeah, I got my abilities by a radioactive spider biting me and it rewrote my DNA. I guess zombie bites aren't powerful enough to overwrite my DNA again."
That could even become an aha moment to solve the zombie crisis. We need to find something that has a more powerful radioactive imprint that zombies can't overpower. And if that means everyone becomes a Spider-Person then so be it.
I think any number of superhumans would be immune. I’ve never bought that EVERYONE would go down.
I like your Unkillables idea. I like the thought of having villains and antihero’s. I know as characters their existence in the MCU might be in question. I don’t know what’s canon and what isn’t anyone. But I would like to see Frank Castle in there. Maybe the version of Ghost Rider from AoS. Or even throw in a legit hero but make it Luke Cage. He might want to save others but by virtue of his power couldn’t be bitten.
The failings of this episode started literally in the first minute. As soon as I saw that 1.) Zombie Stark was a Walking Dead and 2.) how Banner started to act like a clown (the childlike fear and slapstick like attitude) during that moment I knew the episode was a flop.
It feels like the concept had to be dumbed down to a generic zombie story because despite how 'dArK' it is Disney doesn't want to loose that child-friendly sub-brand they're associated with and Marvel Zombies, one of Marvel's best series, is an easy sell even if it is a single episode (which it should have been).
I feel like if any of the episodes deserved a part 2 this was the one
Almost all the villains you mentioned at 20:07-20:16 were already dead by the time of Ant-Man & the Wasp.
Amazing stuff nando
I'm all for characters in a tense situation still joking around. I think that's not only true to life, but especially desirable in something that's supposed to be fun and entertaining. However, I agree that something was off about how "What If...Zombies?" did it. There are times to joke and there times to be serious and with this episode, it just felt kind of random which way each zombie death would be played. Like "Why are supposed to be sad at this death when the one that happened two seconds ago was played for laughs?"
They should've delayed the zombie episode instead of the Thanora episode. Thanora was a big player in the season finale while the zombies only barely show up for a brief moment.
That’s why the idea of a zombie only show makes sense. Easier to tell the story over multiple episodes as opposed to just one.
I always really enjoyed the idea the the hulk is unkillable, but I think it would be interesting to see a story where Bruce banner is can get infected but the hulk. Can’t, Bruce would keep getting infected or mangled and then turn into hulk to heal, the could cause damage to Bruce’s memories or sanity or something like that
Dude, excellent video.
I feel like you can also throw rhodey in here make the name WAR MACHINE mean something
Yeah war machine was used so little in this series like in ep 3 he already stole the suit before tonys death they could show him with the leftover avengers (captain america and captain marvel)
Arnim Zola organising this to develop an antidote to the zombie virus and rebuild the world in Hydra's image?
Now i'm really salty we didn't get an all villians Zombie episode
Someone at Disney said "we can't have the hero zombies be scary it will scare the kids"
I like this nando guy
I like this PJ guy
Maybe if they do a part 2, when they try to make the cure that involves the mind stone, instead of it cursing the zombies, it just makes the intelligent, but still have the urge to feed. That would be pretty cool. I personally would prefer a stand alone animated series then a live action movie.
I never thought about that villians being the protagonists idea, makes so much sense tho. There are a few hero's who are a-ok with killing too tho.
I agree but What If Zombies was still my favorite episode
I honestly wish that the MCU Fantastic Four movie would just be based off the Marvel Zombies introduction in Ultimate FF.
Zemo, Hammer, vulture, yellow jacket, Bucky and ghost
I KNEWWW YOU WERE GONNA BRING UP DCEASED I LOVE DCEASED! cant believe u forgot that batman died like right away tho!
Captain America in some continuities comes with the rank the name implies.
In most western military chains of command, a deceased soldier is promoted to 2 ranks above their original position.